Comments by "iggle" (@iggle6448) on "Triggernometry"
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@tonycatman I agree that amongst men's primary 'purposes' is to protect women, children and those more vulnerable. I was brought up by a man who was a perfect example of a protector and provider - he was magnificent in his kind and caring maleness without compromising a scrap of his masculinity. I also have male relatives who were the same. But, Tony, you're absolutely completely wrong about women's inability to understand boys' fighting. Indeed, one of my sons appreciates the fighting with his brother because he says it made him able to be a better, more effective police officer. (Police being, along with the military, the epitome of controlled male power). I did not stop their fighting. Because boys. As a mum it was totally clear to me that boys NEED an education and upbringing that helps them to be good men, proud to be men and to be able use their power in good, constructive ways. For the most part, our schooling does not enable boys to be boys, that is, men-in-training. I can't count the innumerable times I was at their schools standing up for their needs to be boys and do boy things that stretched their physical abilities, physical problem-solving abilities, stretch their courage and needs for adventure and their need to conquer and succeed through pitting themselves against others and the elements. I was the mum from hell as far as their teachers were concerned always pushing to stop their mostly lefty women teachers from treating boys like girls expecting them to be compliant and demure. I made sure that they had loads of organised boy/man-training activities outside school. I could write a book about all this, even years later, I am so annoyed at their schools.And even though they have indeed become MEN, leaders in their fields (whilst many of the boys of parents who went along with the feminisation schooling have sons who became drug abusers, got into trouble just for the fun of it in some sort of misplaced man-training they created for themselves, now in 3rd rate jobs well beneath their potentials....). No Tony, please don't disrespect what many mothers actually do to bring up MEN - but please feel free to castigate leftist, feminist social engineering which has been going on for decades now.
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@tonycatman Thanks for your response and acknowledgment. I find this subject of great interest - because my whole, visceral purpose was to grow happy, healthy men (and a daughter but girls are a completely different species!!). And on an intellectual level, I have long been very concerned about what Western culture and its social engineering is doing to men. One of my sons called me just after his first child was born and told me, choking back a tear, that when he first held his minute-old baby he was instantaneously totally overcome, flooded by a feeling of ferocious k!ller-protection as he tenderly spoke to her for the first time . That's a MAN. He's still the same. I've done my job, somehow I managed to press the right buttons to get them on the right track!. My biological purpose fulfilled.
And,you gave me pause for thought...you may be right, a lot of their classmates' had mothers and fathers who seemed to go along with the programme (amongst their friends were boys like the budding ballerina, a nascent actor who did make it to stage and screen, several who became artists, countless web designers and sysadmins...Meanwhile, my sons are in action careers which are the stuff of the movies/tv series that the IT guys watch...).
Point I'd like to make is that I don't think we should blame mothers alone for allowing their boys' healthy masculinity to be eroded. The social engineering power behind this programme is far too great for most parents to counter.
I'll recount the story behind a then well-known study by 'reputable experts'which concluded that children aren't affected by single-parenting, in fact they do as well as children in 2 parent families. This study was much quoted, gvt policies were founded on it etc.Years later it turned out that the male experts had skewed the data to give positive conclusions because they had separated from their wives/children and were feeling deeply guilty and suffering terrible angst about what they'd done to their children . I don't trust any academic study unless the results are copiously internationally and independently replicated.
Yes, I'm not moved either by the sort of tears you describe and the sort of personalities that can manipulate people that way. To my mind, to get out of the mess we're in, we need MEN! Of the courageous action type we're talking about.
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@OkTxSheepLady Ah, OK, thank you for your explanation. We, like most Europeans, have a very different perspective. Everyone here pays into a gvt administered National Insurance scheme (since 1947) and via taxation (everyone - e.g. part of the tax on the sweeties and toys that children buy from their pocket money goes towards the welfare system too). It could have been set up as a private while-nation health and social security insurance scheme but wasn't - it was introduced by a Labour gvt. In short, think of it as an insurance policy - when someone gets ill and/or loses their job they apply to the insurance company which everyone else has a policy with and the company pays for healthcare and/or your basic living costs when you've fulfilled all the strict rules for payout. Most welfare systems work exactly like this. Most people are glad that they DON'T have to claim. Most people are pleased that the insurance is there for all even though others might get more out of it. National Insurance/taxes are also enforced with criminal penalties - we all pay into it and it's distributed according to qualified need - but no one looks at that as 'secondhand stealing'. The basic principle is for the basic communal good. I don't want hordes of homeless people sleeping on my property or along the High Street, or burgling my home. I don't want people to lose their homes because they had to pay for cancer/stroke/heart/accident injuries. Nor do I want people going to work with transmissible diseases to infect us with because they can't afford to stay off work and get treatment.
Looking at it another way, what do you think about some of your taxes paying for jails and the criminal justice system, or for state education, for the FBI, for your national government etc? Also, I assume you're aware of LBJ's great wheeze to pull in more Democrat votes by instituting a massive nationwide welfare scheme which made it easier to claim benefits than working, which undermining not only the family unit amongst poor people but also skewed their education and the job market so badly that it's never recovered? Our welfare system isn't like that. I think you're right to be upset with yours in the US, but not at individuals - your gvt actively caused this dire state of affairs, not individuals who have been and still are conditioned to be co-dependent. with gvt.
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@arc5015 Ok, but I've no idea what Bloodborne is. Unfathomable sentience sounds to me rather like
Immortal, invisible, God only wise,
In light inaccessible hid from our eyes,
Most blessed, most glorious, the Ancient of Days,
Almighty, victorious, Thy great name we praise.
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@theinngu5560 I rather see the rejection of tradition in the West as an outcome of failed leadership. Where have all the wise and honourable leaders been during the past 50-60 years? Those people who are willing and able to set their own needs/ambitions aside to serve their country and communities? Those with a strong vision of the future that encompasses the needs and ambitions of the people....? What leader has championed and consolidated good traditions? And identified poor and dangerous traditions and ended them? (Why does the NHS come to mind here? We've been endlessly encouraged by those in government to worship this corrupt monstrosity with all its traditions of bullying and cover-ups...)
Apart from a notable 2 or 3, all we've had are control freaks, ideologues, incompetents, narcissists, self-seeking puff pieces that'll roll over and feather their own nests and cover their own backs before serving the people who elected them.
Now all we have are store managers like Rishi who wouldn't be out of place as a McDonald's regional manager. Who knows who his ultimate boss is - it's not the electorate for sure.
Mammon has most emphatically routed leadership.
Without traditional leadership , companies and countries fail, leaving the door open for all sorts of barbarians, loons and ne'er-do-wells...just as we see US and Oxford Street stores looted and trashed at will in broad daylight. Leaving the majority of people who are quite content with moderate traditions aghast, confused, annoyed, unsettled, and voiceless whilst the managers, following the money and publicity, pander to the violent, the bullies, those who don't care for any tradition, good or bad, and the would be usurpers.
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