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@leaterry1504 Frankly, I'm disgusted at all professionals who are not speaking out against such administrative terrorism and not supporting JBP. In the UK we've just had yet another horrific example of doctors not speaking up about the murders of new born babies whom they knew were being murdered (JBP made a quick reference to this sadistic atrocity).
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@rebelraccoon9018 He says that what he's discovering through his study and the math of consciousness is that consciousness is what comprises everything (though we don't know where, when, why, how it is - space and the universe seem to be a very elaborate stage set, rather like a video game). Pieces of this consciousness break off to animate, inhabit, inspire, operate human bodies (and presumably every creature). That is every living thing is a part of The Consciousness temporarily playing a role. When our avatar bodies die, our consciousness doesn't die, it returns to the The Consciousness. Of course, in principle this is what many sages and philosophers have posited for millennia. Dr Hoffman believes he's proving it through the work he and his team are doing.
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What intelligent beautiful children....the Petersons are so fortunate to have each other.
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@Cate953 As I was writing comments here, I didn't know what else I could do to support him (in our fight, it should be said) so I made a promise to myself to buy shedloads of whatever books he writes and distribute them amongst friends and family.
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As a mother and grandmother, I am extremely worried that my grandchildren might be hijacked and mutilated by these child-abusing psychopaths. You've given me more courage to stand up against this atrocity. I stand with you all the way Dr Peterson. And please remember that there are many millions more of us who are on this side. We've just been savagely silenced at every turn. Official UK estimates are that there are only 200K to 500K people at most who 'might' be 'transgender', and most of those don't support the cancellation of those who ask questions.
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Thank you doctors for sharing your experiences and wisdom. I wish you both the best in your endeavours to counter these punitive allegations. Please be in no doubt that such inquisitions and Kafkaesque activities are also inflicted on those of other professions and callings. Even before the rise of cancellers, it appears to have become endemic as a way to silence independent, informed thought and speech, and to enforce compliance with authorised narratives.
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"It can happen everywhere." It happened to my grandparents in Europe. Everything her family had was taken from them. Some were summarily shot in the street. Some were incarcerated for speaking out. Many eventually left. It's happened to millions of people. Why do we not learn?
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He is indeed a phenomenally talented teacher. SM isn't about teaching and learning though. It's about what pulls in the profits. Users are merely the products curated as lucrative demographics.
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@PaladinSaris That's a really good point.
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@engineering5090 We are at the beginning of learning that most of our scientific explanations are wrong. We simply do not understand what's fundamentally going on. Werner Heisenberg: "What we observe is not nature itself, but nature exposed to our method of questioning."
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I am very tired of being censored for some of the most mildest, balanced opinions you could read online. Not one of which could be subject to any civil or criminal sanction. I am indebted to Dr Peterson and support him without reservation.
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Yes, I found the first half of this discussion odd and felt uncomfortable - because it was uncomfortable for both participants. I've appreciated Peterson and his wisdom for more than a few years now, admire his courage in the face of injustice and dire illnesses, watched countless of his videos, read his books, bought many copies of them for family and friends. But I've long had difficulty with some of his understanding of women. for a long while I've meant to write him about particular misconceptions he's voiced (interestingly, variations of these misconceptions are also voiced by upset and angry men throughout these comments. Could this gulf in understanding be a new avenue of study for him? ) This interview rather highlighted some of those sticking points for me. Granted he found himself in Dr Psychologist mode quite quickly and had to manage the discussion out of therapeutic mode back onto a more intellectual track. But still, it demonstrated why, as a woman, I wouldn't seek out Dr Peterson if I wanted help with the impact of crimes and and injustices that girls and women experience frequently as a result of their sex. So, like you, Elizabeth, I found this interview valuable and revelatory.
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@BunnyAssassin Your advice brought tears to my eyes, Jon - Enrique's post was tough to read but also hopeful in that he's definitely on the right track. Your advice, Jon, is beautiful coming from a young man who's also on the right track and who has well-founded hope. You both inspire me. As a mother and grandmother, I wholly agree with you both and thank you. This is what I taught my children: Be the person you can rely upon...be that respectable, intelligent, honest, kind, helpful person who gets things done, and takes responsibility for their own lives and their family's lives, be a thoughtful man, think things through - and, with humility, believe in yourself always. Because in the real world this person is the real hero. I can truthfully say it worked for my children. Good luck and good health to you both.
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@adamvicari3295 Though what he's positing is that space,time, the universe is rather like a video game, it doesn't really exist just as humans and all other creatures exist only as avatars in that game. It all arises from one coherent consciousness though we don't know where, when, how, why it is. (Apologies, my precis surely doesn't do his theory justice).
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I felt that RD was somewhat impertinent in his personal remarks. God only knows what JP was trying to get out of this interaction....
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Yes, they petrify me for the damage they do and the lives they destroy - with almost blanket impunity.
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@blakebunch4485 Well, it's clear that you're not a cop, a lawyer, a psychologist, psychiatrist, an SA support worker.... if you had any experience as a professional you'd know that this woman did not tell us the whole of her experience here, that her experience is her experience and not within your capacity or anyone's to judge/critique it and how she endeavours to deal with it, that past traumas have a physical, psychological and emotional compounding effects on subsequent instances of adverse experiences.
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With the greatest respect, this is very scary for everyone of us who values the right to freedom of expression and, indeed, any of our hard won rights against all tyranny. I'm also incredibly grateful to Dr Peterson for all he does in the cause of truth, and speaking it to power, and in the cause of helping to make our world less dysfunctional.
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@radcyrus Look around you, Rad. Our world is in a really, really bad way. I have long posited that this is because we humans are hard wired to make snap judgements and assumptions which fill in the gaps of our knowledge. Once we've made those snap judgements on the basis of a mere smattering of information we often go on, as you have here, to apply our own reactions to a situation experienced only by others and then to impose our own 'solutions'. Those 'solutions' rarely fit, rarely help and even cause more injury.
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Very neat way of putting it.
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@evanmccue736 I'm thinking that 'unnatural insights' are actually perfectly natural and normal when we're in our right minds and attuned to reality. Btw, that bungie cord...to what part of your body was it attached? (Serious question).
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Just a thought, where in the College's guidelines and regulations does it tell the practitioner what they can and can't say as professionals. That is, we have responsibilities that correlate to the rights we have. Does the College make those responsibilities (as they see them) absolutely clear? Or can the College's administrators just make it up as they go along, on a whim?
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Rocksteady246 Although I value Peterson's many other insights, his ignorance about pharmaceuticals always concerned me. (Cf. UK report yesterday: in the last year 2 people an hour have been seriously harmed by the state's mental health service.)
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Yes, though it's problematic that 'the divine' has given us a universe that is incredibly dangerous and a world where the primary goal is to survive at the expense of others.
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@winstonsmithsoul Let's hope that it doesn't come to that this time round - but YES! and many of them will take their angst out on their neighbours, shopping them to the Authorities, tripping them up any way they can in the vain hope that they can score brownie points with the Authorities. We saw truly terrifying displays of that during the pandemic....
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@arielporcheratv History, truthful, factual history, has shown over and over that appeasement never achieves the peaceful, fair, tolerant results that sane people would wish.
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Yes, literally vital to remember that. Thus it occurs to me that there is very little chance for humans to 'evolve to higher states of consciousness' when we're forever competing with others.
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As a Brit, I'm finding this painful to watch too. Everywhere is infected by by this growing tyranny.
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@dirtyhobo4252 Same in UK - medics are in a lockstep bubble of their own. They've lost touch with we ordinary folk (which is everybody but them). It's called 'deformation professionelle', well worth reading up about, some authorities consider it to be a sort of psychosis.
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To be honest, it's still a thing everywhere. The people who gleefully claim that we don't need feminism or protection for women etc because 'women are equal now' are blind and deaf to the real world.
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@korycassel5197 You sound angry, Kory. I agree, those things should never have happened to you - they were profoundly invasive and utterly disrespectful. But you extrapolate from those incidents and make many sweeping judgements and connections that are ill-informed and not helpful. Yes, why not blame all women for the treatment you've received from SOME badly behaved, abusive women?! Well, that just keeps you angry. Instead why not learn how to spot badly behaved, abusive women and avoid them? Respect your own needs to avoid people like that. Then you could enjoy being around good women who treat you with respect. 'YOU WOMEN' have never shoved promiscuity down society's throat. If you take time to study, you'll find that both men and women have been manipulated by what was packaged and sold as 'feminism' (why? Follow the money.). If you study some more, you'll discover that there are very few rules that aren't broken, they're flexible -there are always some sort of costs for rule-breaking though. Mostly, in more intimate situations and relationships between people, rules are called boundaries and expectations. These are all up for negotiation. In my experience, there are few decent women who don't want to talk about these things.
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@korycassel5197 You choose. Carefully.
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@radcyrus 1. I did not write that 'the world is in a worse shape than it ever was before'. YOU wrote that. then you based much of the rest of your response labouring under the assumption that that's what I wrote or what I meant! Not a great start. But it kind of proves my point about taking a few bits of information and then subconsciously filling in with one's own assumptions! To verify my claim that 'the world is in a really, really bad way', look at all the many economic performance and projection data out there. Look at inflation per country. Look at the stats for bank failures around the world. Look at stock market trends. Look at unemployment rates and business bankruptcies internationally. Look at the UN data on quality of life and poverty around the world. Check data on current conflict zones.Look at crime statistics. Look at happiness surveys. Look at the real terms decrease in average worker pay since 1974 to now. There are countless varied metrics out there. 2. No, I'm not willing 'to consider that maybe your assumption about what people do is by itself a judgement on your part'. because I don't make this assumption. I know factually that cognitive and neuro science has shown that humans are hard wired to make quick judgements on other people or situations and then fill in their knowledge gaps with their own assumptions. Do a search on cognitive/neuro science of making assumptions and the psychology of making assumptions.Also related is confirmation bias. 3. Bear in mind that we've been talking about 'snap judgements', based on very little knowledge of a person, the first impressions/ in the moment type of judgement .based on little factual and situational information and/or failure to verify facts and reality. 4. I didn't say anything about achieving a balance between judgement and acceptance. I have to say that this flummoxed me for a bit! I've never seen 'judgement' and 'acceptance' posited as opposites before. The opposite of judgement is reserving judgement (that is, not making a judgement unless or until you have enough information to make a conclusive, accurate judgement). The opposite of acceptance is rejection. None of us has to judge things or accept things we don't have facts and good reason to be able to do so! There's no law that compels us to do either! But if we want to make a judgement or accept something, it's our own responsibility to ask questions, research, discover the facts and apply rational thought to what you find out. Quite often, I find that there's a lot of wisdom in simply reserving judgement until I have enough reliable information to make a judgement or decision about someone or a situation. I hope this sounds useful to you. I invited you to do some searches for yourself because why would you trust the data of a stranger on the internet ? And, most importantly, you'll probably learn a lot more from your own discoveries. Thank you for asking questions.
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I don't understand what he's doing with these bizarre suits. By all means, people can dress as they like within the bounds of decency. But outre dress is often 'look at ME!' and gets in the way of a person's credibility.
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@jonathansolero7 Sucking eggs here.
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It was all a bit odd, as far as I could gather. JP seemed not to have a firm grasp on the level of conversational to and fro here.
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All very well said, thank you . @ReyFelipe00
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@matthewdavison7729 Good questions. I found Dr Hugh Ross' explorations quite useful. Dr Ross is an astronomer and mainstream scientist.
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Have youbeen following Dr Hoffman? What he's saying here is really the same as he's been saying for the last decade - only now with math.
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@northnodeguidance4580 I was fortunate enough to attend an old school university. There our professors actively encouraged us to build our own set of principles from what they taught us about the many and various branches of philosophy. In the original, mediaeval universities one could only take a degree in philosophy ; now philosophy has been expurgated from the curriculum. Hence all the many varieties of co-equivalent 'truth' where once there was just The Truth based on observations of reality. It's an appalling, entirely divisive state of affairs. IMHO.
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@sharonphilip5560 Pray, what is an interlect?
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Thank you for standing against this agenda and this org. It could use a lengthy course of CBT and rehab followed by early retirement...imho. Do you know how they treat clients who are maltreated by members? Suffice to say that it's probably not the most helpful place to go if you've been abused.
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@TheSunshineGroup Well, we won the culture wars against bloodletting, imprisoning gay men for being gay, child sacrifice, lobotomies, witch burning, slavery, locing people up for being in poor mental health....the list is immense. We will win this war.
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@48403 Aye, just so. But you and I know that. Now we need to get the other 8 billion to see the light.
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@amfohr I entirely agree with you - there are always consequences, some of which may be positive and some which may be negative. I know a bit about whistleblowing, from the inside. In reality, everyone - no matter who they are, even the most powerful and wealthy - who speaks truth to corrupt power suffers at least some difficult consequences. It's the core nature of off-the-rails power to play by its own antisocial, self-protective rules. It's a sort of psychosis in itself. But not engaging in helping to restore good governance, leadership underpinned by fair and just consensual rules and accountability also has negative consequences with perhaps only limited short term benefits.
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@bertibear1300 That's intriguing. Why are we not hearing all the issues? (I don't even count MSM weather reports as reliable info nowadays! )
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@GlowGlobe It's a fine line, isn't it? And none of us are saints. Our side - if we can actually call it a side - has been phenomenally tolerant of all this bullying dictatorial and irrational behaviour over a long time now. Having been at the butt of some of it, I can well empathise with JBP's strong reaction. Especially, as he's had to contend with massive amounts of it over many years now. Some of these social media venues aren't social, some of them are, at best, misguided, and others appear to be wanting to create their own private echo chamber clubs where they seem to support each other to even greater excesses!! It's very unpleasant indeed to get attacked by this sort of unexplained and illogical (possibly sometimes even unlawful) behaviour. Only JBP can say whether his intentions were to demonise and/or resent the unsocial behaviours. And sometimes some behaviours and notions are so egregious that they have to be highlighted as the injurious activities they are.
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@attilaszekeres7435 YES! Thank you! Sages in many cultures have been avowing this same interpretation of our being for millennia. Dr Hoffman's contribution seems to be the math which may (or may not) prove it.
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@CH-RC Well, it's looking like spacetime is falling out of favour as a fundamental determinant of the whole structure. It'd probably be smart not to use s/t based math! To me, his version of how-things-really-are sounds slightly more probable than string theory and bifurcating timelines ad infinitum!
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Yes, but are they citizens anymore...? Sounds like the gov has turned them into vassals.
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@impalaSS65 I noticed the same with Roger Penrose. But, ultimately, that was fine for me because some of his thoughts helped me solve a 30yr old problem I've had with an arcane element of quantum physics.
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