Comments by "iggle" (@iggle6448) on "The Marxist Slide from Liberalism | Naomi Wolf | EP 351" video.

  1. Yes, I found the first half of this discussion odd and felt uncomfortable - because it was uncomfortable for both participants. I've appreciated Peterson and his wisdom for more than a few years now, admire his courage in the face of injustice and dire illnesses, watched countless of his videos, read his books, bought many copies of them for family and friends. But I've long had difficulty with some of his understanding of women. for a long while I've meant to write him about particular misconceptions he's voiced (interestingly, variations of these misconceptions are also voiced by upset and angry men throughout these comments. Could this gulf in understanding be a new avenue of study for him? ) This interview rather highlighted some of those sticking points for me. Granted he found himself in Dr Psychologist mode quite quickly and had to manage the discussion out of therapeutic mode back onto a more intellectual track. But still, it demonstrated why, as a woman, I wouldn't seek out Dr Peterson if I wanted help with the impact of crimes and and injustices that girls and women experience frequently as a result of their sex. So, like you, Elizabeth, I found this interview valuable and revelatory.
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  2.  @blakebunch4485  Well, it's clear that you're not a cop, a lawyer, a psychologist, psychiatrist, an SA support worker.... if you had any experience as a professional you'd know that this woman did not tell us the whole of her experience here, that her experience is her experience and not within your capacity or anyone's to judge/critique it and how she endeavours to deal with it, that past traumas have a physical, psychological and emotional compounding effects on subsequent instances of adverse experiences.
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  3.  @radcyrus  Look around you, Rad. Our world is in a really, really bad way. I have long posited that this is because we humans are hard wired to make snap judgements and assumptions which fill in the gaps of our knowledge. Once we've made those snap judgements on the basis of a mere smattering of information we often go on, as you have here, to apply our own reactions to a situation experienced only by others and then to impose our own 'solutions'. Those 'solutions' rarely fit, rarely help and even cause more injury.
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  4. To be honest, it's still a thing everywhere. The people who gleefully claim that we don't need feminism or protection for women etc because 'women are equal now' are blind and deaf to the real world.
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  5.  @korycassel5197  You sound angry, Kory. I agree, those things should never have happened to you - they were profoundly invasive and utterly disrespectful. But you extrapolate from those incidents and make many sweeping judgements and connections that are ill-informed and not helpful. Yes, why not blame all women for the treatment you've received from SOME badly behaved, abusive women?! Well, that just keeps you angry. Instead why not learn how to spot badly behaved, abusive women and avoid them? Respect your own needs to avoid people like that. Then you could enjoy being around good women who treat you with respect. 'YOU WOMEN' have never shoved promiscuity down society's throat. If you take time to study, you'll find that both men and women have been manipulated by what was packaged and sold as 'feminism' (why? Follow the money.). If you study some more, you'll discover that there are very few rules that aren't broken, they're flexible -there are always some sort of costs for rule-breaking though. Mostly, in more intimate situations and relationships between people, rules are called boundaries and expectations. These are all up for negotiation. In my experience, there are few decent women who don't want to talk about these things.
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  6.  @korycassel5197  You choose. Carefully.
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  7.  @radcyrus  1. I did not write that 'the world is in a worse shape than it ever was before'. YOU wrote that. then you based much of the rest of your response labouring under the assumption that that's what I wrote or what I meant! Not a great start. But it kind of proves my point about taking a few bits of information and then subconsciously filling in with one's own assumptions! To verify my claim that 'the world is in a really, really bad way', look at all the many economic performance and projection data out there. Look at inflation per country. Look at the stats for bank failures around the world. Look at stock market trends. Look at unemployment rates and business bankruptcies internationally. Look at the UN data on quality of life and poverty around the world. Check data on current conflict zones.Look at crime statistics. Look at happiness surveys. Look at the real terms decrease in average worker pay since 1974 to now. There are countless varied metrics out there. 2. No, I'm not willing 'to consider that maybe your assumption about what people do is by itself a judgement on your part'. because I don't make this assumption. I know factually that cognitive and neuro science has shown that humans are hard wired to make quick judgements on other people or situations and then fill in their knowledge gaps with their own assumptions. Do a search on cognitive/neuro science of making assumptions and the psychology of making assumptions.Also related is confirmation bias. 3. Bear in mind that we've been talking about 'snap judgements', based on very little knowledge of a person, the first impressions/ in the moment type of judgement .based on little factual and situational information and/or failure to verify facts and reality. 4. I didn't say anything about achieving a balance between judgement and acceptance. I have to say that this flummoxed me for a bit! I've never seen 'judgement' and 'acceptance' posited as opposites before. The opposite of judgement is reserving judgement (that is, not making a judgement unless or until you have enough information to make a conclusive, accurate judgement). The opposite of acceptance is rejection. None of us has to judge things or accept things we don't have facts and good reason to be able to do so! There's no law that compels us to do either! But if we want to make a judgement or accept something, it's our own responsibility to ask questions, research, discover the facts and apply rational thought to what you find out. Quite often, I find that there's a lot of wisdom in simply reserving judgement until I have enough reliable information to make a judgement or decision about someone or a situation. I hope this sounds useful to you. I invited you to do some searches for yourself because why would you trust the data of a stranger on the internet ? And, most importantly, you'll probably learn a lot more from your own discoveries. Thank you for asking questions.
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