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@TheRogey1 Thoroughly agree with you, Roger. I'd venture further: the CofE has most likely done more to undermine Christianity in the UK than even rabid secularists. Always bending and bowing to popularist trends and fads and keeping in with the powerful, thus reducing timeless Christian teachings to obstructive diktats that must be massaged, overcome, ignored etc. But, of course, the Anglican church in the UK is simply following the example of its founders. It seems to me that people don't look for these shifting values in a religion, they look for timeless, transcendent virtues...things that are sacred, immutable, dependable. The wise man builds his house upon the rock...!
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@telephassarose3501 Quite. I have to hope that the original concept was good and beautiful. Though the execution was utterly abominable. IMHO, it's not about romanticising Diana but simply about presenting her as she actually was. Queen Victoria's statues, without variance as far as I'm aware, look just like her photos. How did the Victorian sculptors manage that? And, as you say, how did this present sculptor, with myriad forms of technology available to him, go so badly wrong?
I can think of three deliberate reasons:
1. The RF didn't want such a beautiful, alluring statue that would become a Diana shrine, which I think is still a possibility, given her enduring popularity.
2. Diana's sons, remembering her with childish memories only saw Diana as 'mumsie' and not the extraordinarily attractive, feminine, elegant and captivating woman that she was. Thus, they approved all the sculptor's drawings and photos as he progressed his work, and perhaps made suggestions for tweaks to make it more mumsie according to their memories of her.
3. The sculptor is simply not into women. His male forms are striking and beautiful. Maybe he's gay and Diana's beauty and allure simply didn't touch him - this is, after all, a depiction of her that reduces her to that of an almost comedic weekend M>F crossdresser with bad wigs and a penchant for Primark end of line bargains. Perhaps he's had more practice at creating male art forms. Perhaps he's not all that good at sculpture.And perhaps those who were in charge of selecting sculptors deliberately bore all this in mind.
Whatever, this piece is a total travesty and nothing like it could very easily have been if done by a sympathetic sculptor. (What also bothers me is all the many people trying to turn themselves inside out and upside down, trying to wipe the evidence of their own eyes and cognition, to find something good, something of Diana in this leaden scowling, lumpen hausfrau.)
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I completely agree too. A tree is known by the fruit it bears. What has 'wokeness' grown? To me, it all looks like a mess of cancelling, humiliating and crushing people who don't agree, violence, riots, thoughtlessly smashing things up, overwrought emotionalism and sensationalism, absence of logic and respectful dialogue....it's faux individualism taken to the extremes and encouraged by those who puppet their programmed foot soldiers. Show me the soup kitchens, the creches, the homes for homeless people, the money they've raised and donated to projects to directly help disadvantaged people, show me the good of 93 different sexualities, the knee-bowing to criminals and overwrought mobs, the dictatorial imposition of redefinitions and the prohibition of a whole range of adequate words...where is the love? And let's emphasise: in the whole history of the world, no such totalitarian counter-culture movement/revolution has ever ended well.
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I entirely agree. I went to a grammar school. Except for picking up a smattering of useful Latin and enjoying a great music teacher who kindled my love of classical music, It didn't benefit me at all. All my substantive learning was had at private schools from age 3 and then at university.
The reason that grammar schooling failed me and likely a huge cohort of pupils for several years? Before I went to grammar school, the gvt had a year or so previously declared the demise of such 'elitism'. Looking back, my grammar school at least was in disarray and trying to work out its new identity, its new curricula to meet the new one-size-fits-all diktats, amidst a slump in staff morale and alacrity. I imagine that this 'anti-elitist' edict had the same effect on state grammar schools all over the country.
With that experience and having taught age16+ students at college (young people who'd been brutalised and diminished by their comprehensive experience - their fear and loathing of education and teachers was palpable and I recall it very clearly even now), I made sure to send my own children to public schools where they each flourished. (Thankfully, they all earned scholarships!) I became a comprehensive school governor in my own little bid to do what I could to raise horizons and standards. Of course, it was a forlorn project: the rot was well-entrenched by then, the 2000-odd pupils were largely commodities being processed through the machine . And that school was officially classed as a 'good' comprehensive. Come hell or high water, my grandchildren will be going to public schools, even if I have to sell everything I own.
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@vonryansexpress What a well put overview and counterpoints, thank you.Good point about BI v AI . Though, we still have the glorious example of the Soviet Union's demise: the grand central soviet had cast iron control throughout soviet-world of all media internally and foreign imports, the schools, universities, every nanometer of life was locked down by soviet permit, decree and diktat. The masses had very little inkling of what the rest of the world was like and the freedoms many enjoyed. Yet still, those ordinary people in the soviet hegemony managed, with alacrity, to provide grist to the mill of change. The first generation of young soviets was just as zealous and fervently committed to the vision of communism as today's wokeists are to their fantasy world of safe spaces everywhere, poly-gender loos on every corner, free almond milk and vegan cookies for all members, Victims' Leagues, ad nauseum - and they loathe white people with the same viciousness as the young soviets despised Westerners! Perhaps we might give ordinary humans a bit more credit, it's my guess that they'll surprise us yet...
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@paul756uk2 Oh, what a great dream! I've been thinking lately that TPTB have made an almighty mess since, say, the late 1990s. I mean a truly monumental mother of all debacles behind the scenes. Compounded by 9/11, 2008, and then covid, it's just got worse and worse. What better than such as the lunacy of wokeism to distract and engage people and erase those who speak against this destructive ideology? We can clearly see the calibre of our global leaders - how on earth can we have hope that we're going to thrive again as a nation, as a species? Is this why they're planning to impose a 'Great Reset'? To try and undo the mess they've made? That could well return us to the worst of bygone eras! (Not to mention the erasure of democracy...) At the beginning of covid, people who thought that it was an escaped lab bug were called 'conspiracy theorists' and even those with expert knowledge were shouted down. Now, we learn that, yes, it was almost certainly a lab-created bug. It's time that somehow we stop all these machinations and thoughtfully engage in returning to a simpler, more honest life - as a people together, not as polarised pawns of all the out of control engineering, illicit partying, louche and/or senile leaders, overweening $multibillionaires etc! IMHO. So yes, bring on your better vision of life!!
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It seems to me that their 'reason' is that those descended from 'non-slave' families all benefited more through the years from the profits of slavery. Well, dig back that far in the family history of the majority of the non-slave family people and you'll find indentured servants, subsistence labourers tied to lords of the manor, indentured apprenticeships, child and female labourers literally locked up each night after long days of work, even full-on slavery in some parts of the British Isles:parts of Ireland and Scotland where people were owned and starved. We don't teach this in schools, we don't talk about how our ancestors were abused.I'm fine with reparations - as long as they include the many millions of us white people, descended from people who were driven at the point of a musket out of their hovels to make way for sheep, or were starved and beaten out of their homes etc by the soldiers of the elites and frogmarched onto ships removing them, like live cargo, to anywhere else that would have them with nothing more than the clothes on their backs.
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@Andy Jarman A few thoughts, if I may. Generally, loathing for another tribe becomes ossified when at a distance. Up close it becomes diluted by reality, familiarity, it's less likely to become part of the loather's self-identity.
Having said that, it's not hundreds and hundreds of years since atrocities and rank, inhumane discrimination have been committed against the smaller UK nations. It's just over a hundred years since the Irish Easter Rising and the attendant atrocities committed by those acting for the British government - and so it continued throughout the 20th century in some form or other. The Welsh have been variously colonised then dropped on from a great height throughout latter day history depending on the nation's utility in Westminster's economic schemes - Thatcher's treatment of miners and their families was nothing short of atrocious. Similarly, Scotland's been a bag of goodies for the English elites to dip into and then cast aside (I would be writing this from the Highlands and not England if Scotland had been on a par with England and not been treated as an afterthought, starved of the support and services enjoyed by the English. My great-grandparents' village did not have electricity until the late 1960s ).
Note that throughout I attribute these abuses entirely to Westminster and English elites. IMHO, successive UK governments have not served the Union well. For hundreds of years, they and not the English people have abused the smaller constituent nations of the UK in just the same way as they've latterly covertly trashed 'Britishness' in their avaricious gallop towards Europe and globalism (as well as, against the sensible qualms of ordinary citizens, having imported - yes, as commodities - millions of immigrants, cheap, tax-paying labour to keep British wages down).
Sadly, loathing for 'the English' is very misplaced. 'The English', the ordinary people, have certainly been subject to Westminster's whims and inhumanities too! An initial remedy might begin with a genuinely representative British Parliament for all of Great Britain's constituent nations and governments that are not commandeered by the sons of empire (in this 21st century, how can it possibly be right that most of our current Cabinet members are drawn from public schools and privileged families?? Note that I'm not a socialist! But there is little authentic equality of opportunity and just plain fairness when such Parliaments and Cabinets still hold the reins.)
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I wonder why no one in these comments has picked up on Brendan's point: lockdown only had one aim, to protect the NHS from being overwhelmed by covid cases ? Indeed, that was the first priority in the gvt's 3-point mantra: "Protect the NHS - Stay home - Save lives". (Now it's represented as 'stay home, protect the NHS, save lives'). Cynically, I would say that, if we'd been allowed to live more or less normally, the gvt would never have recovered from an obviously failed NHS, due to years of their swingeing £cuts. Lockdowns IMHO therefore are primarily political decisions, not health protection measures. The NHS simply isn't fit for purpose. This is the huge elephant in the national room that no one is talking about, still less tackling.
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@AlexJacksonTempleSounds Indeed, you make my broader point. Though, without going into detail, the changes I was involved in were offering genuine power to people. (There's a whole canon of research and interpretation across the philosophical, psychological, sociological, anthropological, historical spectrums, about why people everywhere generally prefer to stay as silent followers despite the advantages of power).
Again, most people will resist change - whether it's good or bad. Most people take the ultra-conservative, cautious, commonsensical, least life-disrupting route forward. And so that means good news: delusional wokesterism, devoid of reason and commonsense, is doomed to fail.
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@alisoncoyne6584 I admire your get-up-and-go! We did living overseas for about 6 years, glad to come back in those days. Your precis of life under Trudeau is horrifying, though I well-believe it (Jordan Peterson has enlightened the rest of the West, much to his cost). why is JT sucking up to a dictatorship that deliberately let loose this pandemic on us? Why are 95% of Western leaders singing the same devil's tune??
I'm beginning to think that this BBB/Great Reset scam was cooked up about a decade ago in the aftermath of the sheer debacle of 2008ff. Now, I surmise that ALL the globe's VVIPs got together and thrashed out another way to a)make more $billions from us peasants ('rent everything, don't own anything'? In other words, steal everything from us that could support us to get a leg up), and b) to keep the growing masses under tighter control. In sum, their global corps and institutions have made a total mess of the world and our economies thus their profits are fast dwindling, now it's time to gouge us some more.
PS - I'd suggest moving back to Scotland, God's Ane Countrie. But the crazy wee Mrs Krankie in charge is also a fully paid up member of the Dictators' Club and making lives horrible there too... <sigh> But that's my point - where on earth isn't infected by this vile anti-democracy, anti-freedom, anti-human cult?
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John Ludwig I tend to agree. My point was to illustrate that the sheer pressure of numbers is unsustainable whether the incomers are purple, turquoise or yellow with blue spots! That is, it's not a racist issue. Having said that, you're right, the Dutch, Swedes, Norwegians, Danish, Belgians, Finns, NW Russians, Poles, Ukrainis, Hungarians [oops, I missed out Germans, some of my forebears were German immigrants, as yours, from your surname??] etc etc. can settle in quickly and easily and have been doing so for many decades. Their cultures are similar enough to ours. However, you should have seen what a Somali taxi driver did to my son's arm when he held his hand out for the change he was due. This is not acceptable behaviour in any western civilised nation. My shocked son vowed not to get into a cab with a Somali driver again. so perhaps the lack of assimilation goes both ways....we have so little in common in some fundamental rule of law ways.
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