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Vegans don't eat dairy either.
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For some children, he wouldn't be wrong.
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I care about others. I care about the planet, and I care about the impact I have on it. I'm not going to treat it like a fucking motel room.
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Animals are sentient. Plants are not. Will you idiots please stop pretending you don't understand that this is the difference?
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@onewordname4148 It says nothing by itself that favours that interpretation. You are projecting that meaning onto the quote when it very plainly isn't what it says. This is actually you moulding it to fit an agenda.
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@quentinm.williams9 Some views legitimately are superior to others. That's just true.
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Abel Abel Leave it. You're not going to use reason on someone who has made an active decision to shut their head off.
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@anon546 I don't. What on Earth are you on about?
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@edgylord5287 Yes there is. Some things are provably wrong. If your opinion goes against the facts, you're factually wrong.
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@isaacdossantos1944 Is there meant to be a contradiction there, or what?
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@quentinm.williams9 You don't need anyone's opinion to know that. It's just true.
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@angryinternetperson6629 "Animals eat eachother to survive too. What's the difference with humans eating animals?" Sorry, dude. That really is what you just asked. Not eating meat reduces demand for animal products, ergo fewer farm animals are bred. That's something changed. That link can say what it likes. The Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics is the largest organisation of nutrition professionals on the planet, and they don't acknowledge its validity.
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@lfdy4368 That isn't pain, dude. That's like saying a laptop can feel pain because it has anti-virus software.
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@AngelOfMusic20 They're generally unpleasant...
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Humans are animals, dude. There's no getting away from that whether you're vegan or not.
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Why not?
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Generalisation City.
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@brandtdhowett2507 Pain doesn't mean any response to stimuli.
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 @roseczy Are you trying to say that that's a good reason to eat it?
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@danielchavez6275 Probably.
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@koolmckool7039 I'm not sure how you go from "some people can't eat vegetables" to "the human species is designed to eat meat." That's quite a leap of logic you've just made. Also, the question was "are hippopotamuses carnivores?" If human canines prove that we've evolved to eat meat, then you'll have to also say that a hippo's teeth prove the same of them. Their teeth are way better equipped to pull flesh apart than ours.
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It would depend on the individual person, for me. I probably value the average person more than a fish, but there do exist people who are worthless enough for me to put them beneath a fish.
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@lfdy4368 They can't, though.
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No humans were eaten in this video...
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@angryinternetperson6629 Lmao. I might have told you what the difference was if you hadn't just tried to deny that you asked. I've just cited the consensus from The Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics, which is the largest organisation of nutrition scientists on the planet, and you respond by trying to say that it's me who's struggling with scientific facts. This really isn't looking good so far.
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@MarkCommentates And that's irrelevant.
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We don't suck on cow tits, though.
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"Why should I behave any differently from a wild animal?" is basically what you're asking.
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@ChristAcolyte This is the evidence part...
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@hemakshrao3097 The food chain that human beings are at the top of is a social construct. This isn't a delusion. It's a fact. Humans do not top any naturally occurring food chain.
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Well, luckily enough, we do have grocery stores. So how about you stop pretending humans are still primitive hunter gatherers, and accept the 21st century?
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@Jackerco #1: Meat isn't necessary for a balanced diet. #2: This isn't how logic works. Your argument either works or it doesn't. Sensory pleasure is either a justification or it isn't. You don't get to say that it is a justification, but only for the thing you happen to be trying to justify at the moment. This is called "Special Pleading".
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Value isn't logical. It's subjective.
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@beautiful sound Well that's just your opinion.
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@requiemlul3140 Not necessarily.
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Humans are animals. Just a fact of biology, dude.
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@Lobo.Blanco5AB Well you don't know what an animal is, so it's pretty obvious you don't know much about biology.
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@Lobo.Blanco5AB Because that's a fact. Humans are animals. That's just how it is. Emojis aren't going to change facts, kid. Sorry.
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@Lobo.Blanco5AB If you can't face facts, that's on you. Calling them lies and blaming them on "lefties" isn't going to make them go away. You're an animal. Either get over it or go away.
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@Lucas-ec5db I'm vegan.
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Why, though?
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What is there to be proud of, exactly?
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@depressedhamburger4880 So anyone who doesn't eat meat is triggered.
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Not all humans are equally valuable. Some are probably worth more than a fish. Not all of them, though.
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@danielchavez6275 How so?
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@danielchavez6275 I don't. A lot of people don't agree with that. How does that make us twisted?
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@danielchavez6275 People aren't born with value. It's determined by their output.
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@danielchavez6275 I didn't say it was measured in money. Why have you started arguing with things nobody said?
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@danielchavez6275 I did answer you. A person's value is determined by their output. You've just said that I didn't answer you, and repeated my answer back to me in the same comment...
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@danielchavez6275 If my answer wasn't specific enough for you, you could have asked me to elaborate. Instead, you made lazy assumptions and started attacking a straw man. Everyone has a baseline presumed worth. How they spend their lives can either add to or subtract from it. No one knows what the worth of a newborn might be, so we reserve judgement. We assume that newborns have worth because that's the only way to find out if they do.
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@danielchavez6275 I mean the moral good that a person manifests over the course of their life. I would have clarified this if you'd just asked what I meant and hadn't also tried to answer for me.
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@danielchavez6275 So if you were able to save only one of two people, you wouldn't care to know anything about them before making the decision. No matter who either of them was, you may as well toss a coin for it.
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@bratva1354 Why shouldn't we be fighting about it?
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Sure: Don't eat other animals' flesh. Don't drink other animals' breast milk. Cool?
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@screwston713SUC So what tools have we specifically evolved to eat meat?
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@koolmckool7039 So are hippopotamuses carnivores? Also, what's your point in bringing up people with digestive disorders? You do know that vegetables and meat aren't the only foods in existence, right?
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@koolmckool7039 It raises the risk of heart disease, cancers and diabetes. That's bad.
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@koolmckool7039 #1: Name a disease that wholefoods vegan diets raise the risk of. #2: The consensus among nutrition professionals is that meat consumption is directly linked to these diseases. There is no cooking method that severs the link. If you think there is, then you'll need evidence of it.
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The law doesn't decide right and wrong.
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So what? How does this make vegans idiots?
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The Autons?
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Are you being a hunter and guardian of the ecosystem when you ask your mammy to get you chicken nuggets at the drive-thru? 🤣🤣🤣
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@advancedorange4818 I wasn't talking to you. You I basically agree with.
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The entire lifestyle of anyone living in a capitalist system exists because of capitalism, so you're basically saying that no one can ever criticise the system they live under.
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@susumukumo You can say exactly that about anyone criticising the system they happen to live under, though.
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Humans can. That's the relevant point.
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So?
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@demonologist6668 The language there isn't helpful.
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@isaakdlg1737 We do, though. Plants don't have nervous systems, they don't have brains. They're not sentient. No one said they weren't living, so stop pretending like we did. They aren't sentient, is what we're saying.
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What your imaginary friend thinks animals are for is another thing that facts don't care about.
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Vegans are provably and objectively less violent than meat eaters. Sorry, but that just is the case.
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@elbamarg What percentage of all vegans do you think you know?
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Carbs aren't the same thing as sugar, there aren't any vitamins that vegan diets can't provide, and where are you getting the idea that people are quitting veganism because of malnutrition? Are you citing a statistic?
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@TisjeboyDavid So they can get it. Supplementing is a way of getting it.
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@TisjeboyDavid B12 occurs naturally in soil. The natural way for humans to obtain it would be through drinking water. But since we're purifying it now, this isn't viable. In any case, the natural way is not always the most efficient.
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@jeremydespair Something doesn't need dreams for hurting it to be wrong. There are humans that what you're describing is true of. I'm assuming that you wouldn't see not killing them as immoral.
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@Abel Abel Why would you make a case for something and declare it irrelevant in the same comment? What's the point?
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So?
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@annalisepipkin Anything?
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@annalisepipkin What is your point?
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No. What's your point?
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Probably. Not all of them are.
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Food that there's no demand for doesn't get produced. So, yes, we actually are slowing production.
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Why?
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Bad joke.
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@yourboykaster Well fascination is subjective. Do you not think that there are people who are more fascinated by animals?
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@yourboykaster Do you think no other animals can love?
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@yourboykaster Are there humans who don't love?
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@yourboykaster But does every human love?
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@yourboykaster I'm asking you if there exist people who don't. Should I take your wording, "most people" as a "yes" to this, or...?
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That only follows if the reason why it's wrong for us to eat animals is because we're animals, and I don't think anyone's saying that.
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@thrawl "If humans are animals and it's wrong for us to eat other animals then it stands to reason that it is also wrong for any animal to eat or harm other animals" ^Look. "If humans are animals" is what you hinged the point on. If that has nothing to do with why it's wrong for humans it doesn't mean anything for whether or not it's wrong for animals.
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You'd have to get specific about what you even mean by "the food chain".
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@essgeetee2614 Whether or not something's natural doesn't really have anything to do with whether it's right or wrong.
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@liberationtoday8968 Why is it intrinsically exploitative to consume eggs?
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How?
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@TroubleinSpace92 Not in the sense that they're wrong, then?
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@TroubleinSpace92 No one forced anyone to do anything, though. It was still just a conversation.
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There are people that that's all true of.
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You think you could stop a mountain lion from ripping you apart if it really wanted to?
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@Vitochie I don't think that was an answer.
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@wafflegrimes2430 "If you can't clearly see the problem then you are part of the problem." This is called "Kafka trapping", and its logically fallacious. Either give a real defence of your positions, or keep them to yourself.
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Yes they are.
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Dogs aren't carnivores.
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A Bt Value isn't a fact. It's subjective. Throwing the word, "fact" around doesn't make what you say any stronger. It's just what blowhards do instead of actually having an argument.
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Is this the kind of thing you say when you have a clue about defending your beliefs?
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What traits have we evolved that suit us to a diet containing meat?
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What is "a vegetarian" doing in this comment? Vegetarianism has nothing to do with this.
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@Allinguts You should love it because it works. What do you think happens to an animal when it's turned into meat, dude?
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What even are the alternatives where you live?
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@ks2294 That's true. Soy is one of the ten most grown crops on the planet. What you're describing is basically true of any major crop. The dirty little secret, though, is that livestock animals are fed on soy. You don't get to pin soy on vegans, dude. Your steaks are eating it. Vegans are a pretty small minority, so accusing us of eating enough soy to make it the fifth or sixth most grown crop on the planet is honestly a little dense.
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@ks2294 You just talked about vegans being "blind to the damage they cause". What were you talking about if not the deforestation you'd just brought up? Also, we'd need far fewer crops to feed the population if we weren't also having to feed another species that outnumbers humans several times over on top of it. If curbing the population is your answer, diet absolutely is the thing to focus on.
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Ethics. We can grasp them. Wild animals can't.
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 @nathancroyle3902 Instinct and ethics aren't the same. You're either eating dogs, cats, and humans, or you're just bullshitting with this "food is food" mantra.
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Is that the best you can do?
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If you want to get likes, why are you plagiarising twelve year old memes?
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Why not?
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How is it hypocrisy?
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About what?
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@grymbathym635 Who's proved them wrong about any of those?
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No they aren't.
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@Tomb-Wraith Why do you habitually disavow ethical veganism?
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@Tomb-Wraith You've said more than once that you don't argue for or associate with ethical veganism. That's all I mean by, "disavow". I'm asking what the fallacy you see with it is.
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@Tomb-Wraith I didn't say ethical vegans. I said ethical veganism. Are you saying morality is akin to emotion?
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@Tomb-Wraith You've said that arguing for it is fallacious. Does that not amount to an issue with it?
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@Tomb-Wraith Then what does having an issue with something mean to you? I wouldn't say that something is a fallacy whilst also saying that I find no issue with it. A fallacy is an issue. How opinions are changed is irrelevant.
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@Tomb-Wraith That's illogical by definition.
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@Tomb-Wraith No, it is. Something that's logical makes valid and sound sense. A fallacy is something that stops a point being valid. If you say fallacies aren't an issue, you're being illogical.
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@Tomb-Wraith It doesn't matter if it's your only argument. If the argument works, then it's all you need.
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@Tomb-Wraith That's not an argument. It's a statement. An argument is a logical A to B . You aren't just making a statement when you argue. You're explaining why a statement is true. An argument working doesn't mean it convincing someone. People can be convinced by bad arguments. An argument only works if it pans out logically.
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Are there?
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I really don't acknowledge any "name" I might be giving vegans. I don't speak for vegans. I speak for myself.
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Plants don't feel pain and they don't have a will to live. They aren't sentient. That's the difference between an animal and a plant. But, yeah, "animals are alive times2", or whatever the retarded caricature I was supposed to say was.
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@samantha5150 The nutrition scientists don't say that. What they say is that it's perfectly possible to be healthy on plant-based diets. But I'm not sure what your point is about animals eating each other.
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@halosainswavvy9202 Maybe you should stick to this civility thing. Instead of mouthing off about people and playing civil when they call you on it.
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@halosainswavvy9202 Read back to the first thing you said on this thread.
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I don't think Allah did make animals. Not that many people do, really. You should get out more.
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@JayDeeDonuts "why do you think Allah made animals if it was not for meat?" You don't remember saying this? It's still right there, if you need a reminder.
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Says who?
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*which
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@Supersigma2024 That's what you're going with, eh?
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Eating animals harms animals. This is a discussion about whether or not abusing animals is justified. Why should there not be an argument about this?
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Moral agency, dude. Lions have no concept of right and wrong. Humans do.
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@rhysmartin3074 That's called an Appeal to Nature Fallacy. Something being natural doesn't make it moral.
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A vegan or meat eating bodybuilder?
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Yes they are.
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Which part?
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Animals actually are sentient. There is in fact proof of that. You don't need to believe that animals have equal rights to humans to be a vegan. They don't, because rights are a legal construct. If they did have equal rights to us, we wouldn't need to argue against eating them because it'd be illegal. Even if this was true, veganism still wouldn't be a religion. A religion doesn't just mean a profound belief without proof. There is vegan hair dye, there is vegan makeup, vegans use them, and it doesn't cost money to "veganise" them. We need crops no matter what. Eating animals isn't an alternative to them. It means we'll need more of them, because our livestock animals will need to eat too in the meantime. Stop these armchair criticisms of veganism, because it's clearly not a topic you've heard enough about to be commenting on.
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@angryinternetperson6629 "Why should I behave any differently from a wild animal" is essentially what you're asking.
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@melinarose3645 You don't know that the stranger does have a family, though. That's why the person is a complete stranger in the hypothetical. It gets us thinking about the reasons we might feel like a person is more important than a fish, by making us decide the value of a fish's life compared to the life of a person we don't even know isn't a serial killer. It's meant to make us think about whether our standard is that people are inherently and immutably more valuable than animals, or if who they are and what they do decides how they compare.
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@dccrashergames6553 So the value of a life depends on how clearly it can express itself...
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@dccrashergames6553 That's called an appeal to tradition fallacy. How long people have thought something doesn't have any effect on whether or not it's true. In any case, it's wrong. There are people capable of communicating more clearly than others. Do you use this same logic to determine which humans are the most valuable?
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@dccrashergames6553 You apparently missed it, so I'll just post it again for you: That's called an appeal to tradition fallacy. How long people have thought something doesn't have any effect on whether or not it's true. In any case, it's wrong. There are people capable of communicating more clearly than others. Do you use this same logic to determine which humans are the most valuable?
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@dccrashergames6553 Did I say it made it wrong? I don't think it did. What I said is that it didn't make it right. It means nothing in either direction. It's irrelevant. Yet, you brought it up. Why are you bringing up irrelevant things? I've already pointed out a problem with your standard. You've ignored it, and come back with this silly caricature: "it's wrong to you because you don't want it to be right." Maybe It's you who should do some rereading?
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@lightyagami8645 That's just an emotion, though.
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@lightyagami8645 That's not what I said. Drop a retarded caricature and leave, if you like, though. It's a really classy exit.
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How would you talk to a person if you knew they abused animals?
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@janieswanson2549 They aren't, though.
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Where have you gotten the idea that hunting is for controlling disease?
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@iahlenius The consensus of the World Health Organisation is that it's a type 2 carcinogen, so, yes that is irrelevant. Meat is unhealthy whether you mean fast food by it or not.
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@janieswanson2549 "Vegan athletes aren't vegan."
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@janieswanson2549 Vegan athletes don't use animal products.
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@janieswanson2549 "Vegan" is the qualifier, which you've just defined as a person who doesn't use animal products. A vegan athlete doesn't use animal products.
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@janieswanson2549 I know they are. "Vegan" is the qualifier, is what I said. You just said that vegan athletes use animal products, and that, by your own description, is wrong.
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@janieswanson2549 No, it isn't. A qualifier is a word that modifies the meaning of another. Who's, "they"? The only people who've been mentioned are "vegan athletes", and your contention has been that these people use animal products. This is wrong.
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@janieswanson2549 I'm not using a noun to modify a noun, so I'm not sure what your point is, there. "Vegan" is also an adjective, although being a noun wouldn't stop it being a qualifier. Seeing as you clearly have access to a dictionary, finding out what the word, "qualifier" means shouldn't be difficult, so I won't squabble over it. You initially contended that vegan athletes use animal products. You've now shifted the goalposts to, "people claiming to be vegan athletes".
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@janieswanson2549 I'm afraid there were. "People claiming to be vegan athletes aren't vegan," is what you're saying now, but it's an adapted version of what you initially said, which was that vegan athletes use animal products. I said, "vegan athletes don't use animal products." You responded, "sure they do." The words are still there, very clearly typed out.
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@janieswanson2549 Vegan athletes don't use animal products. Vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or use animal products.
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@janieswanson2549 So are they vegans or people?
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@janieswanson2549 So you actually aren't talking about vegan athletes.
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@janieswanson2549 So who are these vegan athletes you keep talking about?
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@janieswanson2549 Who are these vegan athletes you keep talking about, then?
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What does the vegan have to do with this?
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That's not really the point. I don't care how health-concerned other people are. I'm fine with other people doing what they like with their own bodies. That's their right. It's the animal abuse I'm not okay with.
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"Normal" isn't too specific.
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Proof?
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@kva5751 "Why should we behave any differently from wild animals" is basically what you're asking.
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Meat Eaters.
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@janieswanson2549 "Ad hominem" isn't just a highfalutin term for an insult, FYI.
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@graysonwing2946 B12 supplements are extremely high in B12, it turns out.
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@umersalman1 Then your health is fucked either way.
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@graysonwing2946 So then I include the supplement in my diet, so henceforth it's not missing anything. What's your point?
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@graysonwing2946 There is no "true B12". There is vitamin B12, and supplements contain it. Can you actually name something B12 derived from food does that supplemented B12 can't?
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@graysonwing2946 The cyanide produced in the conversion process isn't harmful even at high dosage. It's just excreted in urine. In any case, there are B12 supplements that contain methylcoalamin, so what's your point here, exactly?
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@graysonwing2946 Why not?
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@graysonwing2946 So... You take the supplement, and then your diet is no longer missing anything. What is the problem here?
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@graysonwing2946 A diet can include supplements. They aren't medicine. They're vitamins. So, again: What is the problem?
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@graysonwing2946 My diet isn't missing B12, BECAUSE I SUPPLEMENT. I am not missing any B12. I am consuming healthy quantities of it. My diet isn't deficient in anything.
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@graysonwing2946 Are you trying to say that vitamins obtained from supplements somehow don't count? What is this weird prejudice against supplements you have...?
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@graysonwing2946 Through supplementing, I'm consuming healthy quantities of B12. So either diet includes supplements, and my diet therefore isn't deficient in B12, or diet doesn't include supplements, and my diet is therefore deficient in something it doesn't need. Either way, this is not a problem.
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Humans have a sense of right and wrong, and habitually decide not to use it. If anything, that makes them worse.
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That's wrong.
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@Bannjerplays Sentience. Will to live. Capacity for suffering. Do you even understand what you're arguing against?
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@dick1967 So?
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So are hippopotamuses carnivores?
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@ghostofmisao. They can't.
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Sorry you hate us. We were just trying to be cool like you...
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 @forbsey0785 What I'm actually doing is making fun of your moronic caricature with a deliberately facetious response. K?
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Who said they were the same?
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@luci_ix5181 When did they say that humans and animals are the same?
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@luci_ix5181 I haven't heard them say that humans and animals are the same. Can you give the exact timestamp for this, please?
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@luci_ix5181 That isn't what he said.
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@luci_ix5181 "Humans are animals" doesn't mean the same thing as "humans are the same as any other animal."
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@luci_ix5181 Yes it does. You've just pointed out a difference.
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@luci_ix5181 You literally just pointed out the difference.
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@luci_ix5181 That's actually exactly what it means. "Different" and "the same" are literal opposites.
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@luci_ix5181 They're not the same as other animals.
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@luci_ix5181 Being all animals doesn't make us all the same.
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@luci_ix5181 No different.
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@luci_ix5181 What was your point, then?
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@luci_ix5181 We should model our behaviour on what wild animals do. Is that what you're saying?
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I'm a vegan because I think it's bad to harm animals. I don't think hurting others for no good reason is right, so I don't do it. Am I putting myself on a pedestal by not doing things that I think are wrong?
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XROM There is no vitamin called "v12".
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XROM In that case, I don't. I supplement it.
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You're arguing that cannibalism is in your nature. Cool.
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Some kids are pricks...
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@oliverstewart2056 Depends, really.
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@oliverstewart2056 Nah.
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Nah, not really. What you're doing is making assumptions about an entire group from your personal experiences with members. I could be thinking literally all meat eaters are obese and diabetic if I did that.
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Nah...
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Freedom to violate the well being of others is not a freedom that should be respected.
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Duh...
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How do you figure?
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Nah, it kind of is.
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No food chain that has humans at the top is a reflection of the natural order. The only food chain that puts humans at the top is the one humans have contrived.
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I'm not hard pressed to think of a predator from the African Savannah, or an Asian jungle that could kill a human being. The reason this happens rarely is because of our ability to circumvent the dangers of the natural world. We've placed ourselves above the naturally prescribed food chain, and replaced it with one that benefits us. The food chain with humans at the top reflects human behaviour. Not the natural order.
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@ktisab8255 You don't see how being at the top of the food chain benefits us... I'm going to pay you the complement of assuming you don't actually believe what you've said.
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@ktisab8255 I'm not talking about the diagram of the food chain. I'm talking about what it describes.
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@cerenaltntas8425 How does animals doing it make it okay, though? Can you seriously not think of anything that animals do in the wild that people shouldn't?
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@cerenaltntas8425 <sigh...>
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@florencehaokip5094 You just tried to justify animal abuse and asked to have your views respected... Sorry. Not gonna fly.
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@SKZ10909 Humans are multicellular organisms that survive by ingesting organic matter. Things like this are called "animals". Making life choices and inventing things have nothing to do with whether something is an animal. You're pretty confused.
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They literally are, though.
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So why are nutrition scientists calling vegan diets "nutritionally adequate"?
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@TiSa1985 So your personal anecdotes, have made you more knowledgeable than the scientists who study the subject professionally. Is this what you're saying?
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You think vegans are suggesting you eat animals alive, instead?
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I don't support businesses that breed things only to slaughter them. That isn't right.
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@Keenemovie No. Killing something with a good life is still wrong.
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Appeal to Nature Fallacy. Learn how logic works.
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Why?
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@chrissy6693 "Carbs are healthier than protein" isn't really what he said, now, is it?
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Why?
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@sarahhoang5668 You clearly don't care about this subject. Why are you here?
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You have that backwards, dude. We make things illegal because they're wrong. We don't illegalise random things which then become wrong because we've illegalised them.
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@sarahhoang5668 "It is what it is, get over it" isn't a sentiment from a person who cares about the discussion topic. This is just a nothing-comment designed to shut down conversation. If you aren't interested in having it, stop wasting time.
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Yeah, it pretty much is...
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It's okay. We probably hate you too.
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@janieswanson2549 There are only vegans in these comments.
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@janieswanson2549 😢
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@chanlersimmons7711 That's so transparent that even you probably aren't buying it.
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@chanlersimmons7711 I'm paying you a compliment by not believing you.
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@chanlersimmons7711 Sorry, dude, but, no. Your comment does nothing vaguely similar to stand...
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@chanlersimmons7711 You still said it, but that's not what it means for a statement to stand.
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Why?
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@satsat247 I'm asking why he believes that.
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@kingorangutan3348 There's nothing really stopping you getting protein, calcium, iron or B12 on a vegan diet. You're kind of just making that up.
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@kingorangutan3348 You don't miss nutrients by eating just plants, though.
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Respect is earned, dude. You don't get it just by incessantly demanding it.
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@ironcross1252 Denying it doesn't really do any good, dude. The word, "animal" means something, and it covers humans. There's no argument about this. This is just what the word means. It's plain as day.
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@ironcross1252 Scripture is irrelevant. This is just a matter of how we use language. Humans are multi-cellular beings that eat food and have sense and nervous organs. Things like this are called "animals".
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@ironcross1252 Words do have meaning, actually, and it seems to be you rather than me who is struggling to accept this. The word, "animal" has a meaning, and the meaning describes humans. You, nonetheless, are denying that the word is applicable to humans. I don't know why you've brought up science textbooks. The only book I've cited is the dictionary... Humans are animals. This does not mean the same thing as humans are no different from any other animal. It's very bizarre that the weird diatribe you just went on was provoked simply by me telling you the meaning of a word.
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@ironcross1252 "Its good to know thats all you think of humans as a “ pile of organs, wrapped in skin who eat and sense things” is this what you write on birthday cards and how you treat people and live??" Listen to the way you've been speaking to people, and wonder if it might actually be you whose arrogance is getting out of hand. Anyway, I'm quite confident that you don't understand my position at all, because what you've just said back to me is, at best, a very silly caricature of it. Humans are animals. Every animal is unique, and different from all others. This doesn't stop them being animals.
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@GamerGamerGamer77777 We are, dude. I really am sorry that you don't like it, but we are.
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@GamerGamerGamer77777 Humans are animals. You're welcome to leave if that bothers you.
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"pussys".
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There are billions of livestock animals on the planet. Chickens alone outnumber humans. The animal agriculture industry has bred them into these insane numbers because they make money off them. There's consumer demand for their meat. Farm animals are already overpopulated, and it's because people are eating them. You like the taste. That's the real reason you won't give up meat. Be honest about it. Don't try to legitimise what you're doing by bullshitting about things like "overpopulation".
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This is called an Appeal to Nature Fallacy. You can look it up in your own time.
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@stfuheem How do you think you'd behave in a conversation with people you knew were child abusers?
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We should run our lives based on what animals do, is what you're saying.
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@Pelmite Can you explain why lions don't fit the criteria for a natural predator, please?
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@Pelmite That isn't what "natural predator" means. A lion wouldn't be using anything as a food source if you started starving it to death. But this wouldn't stop it having natural prey. The term, "natural predator" describes what an animal has evolved to do. Not its circumstances.
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Why?
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@ifiwsaflowridbearose So why is the largest organisation of nutrition scientists on the planet saying that vegan diets are nutritionally adequate? What do you know that they don't?
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I read the ingredients of a product before I eat it. By what standard does this qualify as "obsessing"?
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So why do we keep breeding more of them to eat?
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Not eating two tubs of ice cream a day can be really bad.
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Why are you saying "balanced diet" as if it means something that includes meat?
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@robbieGftw That was a question...
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Troll.
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@anubisgod23 Eh... No. Troll. You just got called on what you said by a fairly reasonable fella, and you handled it like a confused kid. Troll.
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@anubisgod23 "Just facts, brah. U can't handle facts, brah." Yeah, you're a troll to the back teeth...
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@anubisgod23 "if you"... A swing and a miss.
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Obviously we can. They're talking about whether we should.
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@guy16year4month6 Tf are you on about...?
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@advancedorange4818 In a utilitarian world, though, that would mean we are perfectly justified in not exercising moral agency with regards to them.
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@advancedorange4818 But if your view of morality is utilitarian it'd hinge on recipricality. What you owe others would be decided by what they could do for others in return. Treating a moral non-agent with moral considerations is effectively a cost with no returns.
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Why should I, though?
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@Tomb-Wraith He's not saying they're related. He's pointing out something he sees as a contradiction.
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@Latitude_ What exactly is the point of a comment that ends with "argument closed"?
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Those are animals.
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Dogs aren't carnivores. They wouldn't be able to survive on vegan diets if they were, and they can. Also, naturally, dogs are our enemies. Wolves and humans don't get along very well. We have fixed this with selective breeding, which isn't natural. It's something that allows us to improve nature. You're a very weirdly confused kid.
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@tusk3260 No. I meant to say dogs aren't carnivores. "Carnivore" doesn't mean an animal that eats meat. A carnivore is an animal that survives on meat.
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@tusk3260 No they aren't the same. Surviving on meat means not being able to live without it. A carnivore is an animal that needs meat to survive. Dogs don't.
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I'm not supportive of everyone's choice. Does that make me a rude vegan?
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Not all animals eat other animals.
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Pardon me, sir, but, I'm VeGaN, iAm BeTeR tHaN yOu. Just felt that ought to be understood.
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... Cannibals?
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You're going against nature in making this comment.
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@sciencefirst7032 So are hippopotamuses carnivores?
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@sciencefirst7032 Key word, "are". Are they?
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@sciencefirst7032 The point, friend, is that if they have canine teeth but are not carnivores, you can only acknowledge that an animal having canines is, in fact, not undeniable proof that they have evolved to eat meat, as you've previously claimed. It's a very straight-forward point. There's no need to get exasperated.
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@sciencefirst7032 So you're acknowledging that the mere presence of canine teeth in an animal doesn't prove it is meant to eat meat?
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@sciencefirst7032 That's a separate point. Your initial one was that we need meat, and that this is proven by our canines. You've since acknowledged that an animal having canines does not prove that it needs meat. You don't get to say that canine teeth prove a need for meat, but only in humans. That'd be something called, "special pleading".
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@sciencefirst7032 Do, or do hippopotamuses not need meat? Do, or do hippopotamuses not have canine teeth? If your answer is "no" to the first, and "yes" to the second, you've acknowledged that canines do not prove a need for meat. I could make it simpler, if you need me to.
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@sciencefirst7032 There we go... "You can have canines and not need meat." It really sucks that you needed to be backed into a corner to admit to this. There could be any number of potential reasons why an animal has canines. There are explanations other than "because it needs meat".
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@sciencefirst7032 "if you can't answer that question then fuck you and fuck off!!!" Is this what science means to you?
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@sciencefirst7032 I don't know what I did to make you mad, but, maybe I can't answer your question. There might be an evolutionary biologist somewhere who can, but I probably can't. What do you think this proves? Are you on your way to an argument from ignorance fallacy?
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@sciencefirst7032 I knew that it wasn't because they needed meat. This disproves your point, not mine.
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I know we do. Is there a good reason to, is what we're discussing.
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Eh. You kind of are...
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@justusing6192 Well you said "like cannibals". Eating human meat would just make you literal cannibals.
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@justusing6192 You just said the same thing again... "like literal cannibals". "Like". Not "are".
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They literally just are, so there's no point arguing that.
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So what's the problem with supplementing?
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Why shouldn't it be a debate?
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That's patently and provably wrong. We need meat neither to survive nor to be healthy.
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Whether or not it's natural is a separate question from whether or not it's good.
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Why not...?
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@pringlesthegoose1702 Scroll through the comment section and do a shot every time you find someone else making this exact same joke. It'll be a good time.
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@pringlesthegoose1702 Take your medicine.
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@noggdogg The topic is veganism. If you're not relating what you're saying back to the topic, this is a red herring.
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The food chain that humans are on top of absolutely is a concept.
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That's not true. Humans are animals. That's just biology.
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Would you still eat it for the taste if you weren't a Christian?
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"periodt".
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Meat isn't essential for a healthy diet. I don't really have much to say about the rest of this horse shit, but that is factually incorrect. You pulled it out of your ass.
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@iLeona296 Lmao... I just brought up the scientific consensus and you went radio silent. Yet you come back still pretending the science is on your side.
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I don't think she meant just lentils. That's a sensible assumption, yes?
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That's more to do with you not being able to conceptualise what an animal is than anything else. Most people can, so I think we'll be alright...
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This was a discussion. Nothing was forced on anyone. Stop your whinging.
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You should probably let those idiot hippopotamuses know that they've been carnivores this entire time.
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No it isn't.
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Why should you behave any differently from a wild animal, is basically what you're asking.
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@alejandropaniagua9327 Why only when it comes to the type of food we eat?
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Because meat isn't produced without an animal getting killed. Abusing animals is bad.
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@user-mr1zs1np7w A lion wouldn't feel sorry for an animal it abused either. So why did you even bother to deny it?
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Europe colonising America and Africa would be just as easy to defend with "survival of the fittest".
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@Ty The Great Yes it is.
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@Ty The Great What definition are you going on?
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@Ty The Great Open a dictionary.
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@Ty The Great "No u"
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@Ty The Great The dictionary won't open you.
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@Ty The Great Dictionary's waiting. Don't keep her.
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There are also elephants.
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@TheTyler701 Yeah. I have a third choice, as it turns out.
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@TheTyler701 So are hippopotamuses carnivores?
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Soya milk being more expensive doesn't make veganism more expensive. Vegan diets don't hinge on soya milk.
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What does it matter that you're a vegetarian? No one in the video is a vegetarian. What does vegetarianism have to do with anything?
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@tnmygrwl I am a vegan. I have never been a vegetarian. So, no, vegetarianism is not a precursor to veganism.
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@tnmygrwl Veganism is to abstain from consuming animal products. Vegetarianism is, specifically, abstinence from meat and fish. Veganism, not vegetarianism, is under discussion here. What do you think you're adding by prefacing comments with, "as a vegetarian"?
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Yes, and to chew food.
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@Emptycoconut That's not even true. Reducing the demand for animal products reduces the number of animals kept by the industry.
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@Emptycoconut It's not growing at the rate it would be if all vegans were meat eaters too. Reducing demand shrinks an industry. That's just a fact. You can't read minds, so how about you don't try to tell other people why they're "really" vegans?
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@eliash8903 I'm wearing jeans and a t-shirt... So, turns out you don't, I guess.
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@eliash8903 Who the Hell is Billy?
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Why should you behave any differently from a wild animal, is basically what you're asking.
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Something isn't good just because it's been happening forever, though. People have been fighting and killing each other pretty much ever since they've existed. It doesn't make it a smart idea.
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@ayaanayubi1117 So?
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@ayaanayubi1117 ... Sharks are wild animals, dude. You can't reason with a shark. Are you basically saying I might as well be trying to have a conversation with a shark, here?
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No.
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@Lobo.Blanco5AB Emojis don't bother me. You have emojis, and I have the science of biology. I just though you should know that those aren't great odds for you.
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@masterbaiter1237 Are you saying all humans are capable of sophisticated conversation?
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@masterbaiter1237 What about the ones who aren't?
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@jackevans7665 I actually think you can do that. Dogs are omnivores. They can settle on just plants. Even if they couldn't normally, there's synthetic stuff that can solve that. It's the 21st century. We know how to do that type of stuff.
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@jackevans7665 I don't think you'd have to force a dog to eat vegan dog food. It'd probably just eat what you give it without knowing the difference. I'd guess a person who is vegan would feed their dog likewise, and if the dog is okay on it, I don't see the issue.
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@jackevans7665 Dude. They're omnivores. They eat everything. You don't have to threaten to starve them before they eat something other than meat. As long as it tastes like food they probably don't care.
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@jackevans7665 Every animal you just named is a herbivore, bro... Dogs are omnivores. They eat plants. You aren't forcing an animal to do something by feeding it something it eats. This is getting retarded. Why are you so against an animal having a diet that's fine for it?
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There are enough plants to go around. There are more livestock animals than humans as it is. What do you think they've been eating?
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@nolimitbrax2 Not if they're saying opposite things you can't...
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@emilranfors4540 You're not vegan, though.
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We're still animals, though. "Animal" isn't a species...
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It depends which food chain you're asking about. If it's the one that's a construct of human civilization, then, yes. Surprise. Humans are at the top. If we're talking about the food chain that occurs naturally in the wild, no. Humans are nowhere near the top.
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@krys8494 That isn't a very strong case, I'm afraid.
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@EvanCanSee Guns don't occur in the wild. Guns are protection we take with us into the wild from civilization. The distinction between naturally occurring food chains and ones that are constructs of civilization seems to have gone over your head.
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Who gets to decide what a living and feeling being's purpose in life is? If someone creates a being just so that it can be killed, that doesn't make it okay to kill it. That just makes the creator immoral.
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u smell
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It's as much a waste of time trying to reason with you as with an animal, is what you're saying.
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@heghoge4639 Because they're compensating for sleeping 20 hours a day. Is that the answer you were after?
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@heghoge4639 What is the answer you wanted, then? And what are you getting at with this?
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@heghoge4639 I have no idea what you're trying to say...
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@heghoge4639 So you're deliberately talking nonsense?
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@heghoge4639 Will I ever understand what it's doing in a YouTube comment section?
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@heghoge4639 Yes. I've been listening. You haven't been explaining, but I've been listening.
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@heghoge4639 Say something else with flimsy grammar that doesn't make any sense.
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@heghoge4639 And where the hood at?
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@heghoge4639 Da hood.
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@heghoge4639 Come back this instant.
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Not being a fatass is aided by being vegan.
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Then get your act together!
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@marysaotome7823 You aren't doing your vegan duty!
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@jackm3720 People are able to make decisions based on ethics, but many make a knowing decision not to. Some knowingly disregard morals in their conduct. Effectively, there's no difference between this, and the behavior of an animal that can't conceptualize ethics. I know that there are humans whose lives are absolutely worth valuing over the life of an animal. But it's not a given that this is true of all people. Maybe not even most.
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Lmao.
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@TheHiddenArchives You're cute.
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So are hippopotamuses carnivores?
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"Carnists."
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