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@manavrawat4192 well you can preach morallity to a russian soldiers but when they are behind 900mms of steel with rumbling engine they wont hear a thing
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@josephstalin9357 you support the sokhumi and kamani massacres?
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@МахмудТалибов-ц5г please explain ?
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Its more 62%
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"you know what grinds my gears* "Russian tanks" I mean how the hell did those get those and why did it have to blow up my house
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@josephstalin9357 well when we took a city we didn't kill 30k people .even by the abkaz government estimates Georgia at most has killed 1820 people .also before the war abkazia was majority Georgian
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Ping: Abu Abdullah 67 Abu Rudwan 89 Khatteb 127 Abu hajar :529
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A) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kingdom_of_Georgia we used to be 5 times the size of what we were .we have a history you know B) Russia never saved georgia Russia betrayed georgia both in the aspindza and krtanisi wars and left georgia to fight off an invading army of 35-40k with only 5k georgians we won and forced them out but we're exhausted . You saw this and attacked and took over . Where were russian troops durring the battle of krtanisi or durring the battle of khresli ?
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@HopefulInterventions wasn't it 94 Armenians and 100 and something azeris ?
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@МахмудТалибов-ц5г also this video was about Georgians getting displaced from their homes.
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Because we can't have Russia look like the bad guy
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@johnnyapplesmith they have shown the bad side of Ukraine also
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Oh yes a scared girl is a valid source of information .
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@bigfreshdeal well what happened was that after georgia gained independence ossetian minorities also wanted some independence ,but the problem was that they were a minority and couldn't really vote for it so they started a war got help from russia and kicked out half its population just because they didn't want to be independent. Its like if California declared independence from the us but only Hispanics living there did and then kicked all the other ethnicities there
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Rescue ? Georgia literally provides free healthcare and electricity to those regions out of its own pockets who are they rescuing them from ?
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@МахмудТалибов-ц5г barely 100ish Ossetian civilians died in the 2008 war also lots of people living Ossetia and abkazia have russian citizenship and from people that i have spoken with say its basically russia with a different flag .also there is no mention of the wars in the 90s which started the conflict
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I have a solution . Name the region of your country you'd be willing to give to the russians , name your friends and family you want to see either exiled or killed
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Probably some ana solder who either defected or was forced to fly it
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They did defeat the Georgian army but the consequences of taking over Georgia would've been a disaster
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@georgeousthegorgeous got close but didn't
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@maxim666-e8v oldest fragments of wine were discovered in Georgia .
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No you should only bring up history when it benefits Russia
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@christophetetu3948 Russia attacked Ukrainie you could've just kept your army inside your borders
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Little green men gave it to them
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Russia should learn how to keep its army inside its own borders .
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Huh? You do know that the west have freedom of speech
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Ukraine is an example why you should join nato
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Uhh look up georgian history before you embarrass your self . south ossetia has never even had state before
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@georgeousthegorgeous it's a city of 1.2 million people . It wouldn't have been that easy to take . Also considering the fact that in a large city the russian armour superiority would be less effective
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We do claim them and we provide health care for the people living there also electricity
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It started in the 90s when ossetia illegally declared independence with out a referendum and then with help from russia kicked out all the georgians living there
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@ΑχιλλέαςΓιωσης https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Euromaidan This allowed parliament to pass a series of laws that removed police from Kyiv, canceled anti-protest operations, restored the 2004 constitution, freed political detainees, and removed President Yanukovych from office. Yanukovych then fled to Ukraine's second-largest city of Kharkiv, refusing to recognise the parliament's decisions. The parliament assigned early elections for May 2014.[98] In early 2019, a Ukrainian court found Yanukovych guilty of treason. He was removed by the parliament thus it wasn't a coup . Coup is just a russian myth to justify agression against another nation.
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🇬🇪 supports Ukraine
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@maxim666-e8v Georgia Invented wine , medicine , has made advancements in the field of bacteria phages , etc .
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Ok here is the Russian side of the story. Russian foreign policy makers: Georgia weak , Georgia small, Russia big, Russia strong , Russia attack Georgia .
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@josephstalin9357 yeah it is
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@vm4708 they should've been ignored. We will return
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@vm4708 Seljuks thought the same . Dead children will be the fault of Putin just as much as us . You guys have to pray that you never go through a major crisis
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So what about the air space violations
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@pauljackowacko552 ethnic genocide . barely 100 Ossetian civilians died while in the 90s you killed thousands of Georgians and you have the audacity to speak
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@Wicked-hx7yg still its not like for example the abkhazia war where thousands were murdered including military casualties around 10k people died both sides combined and the civilian death count is 3k in a place where millions live
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Lets take a look at what territories us occupies in Georgia and compare it russia . The us hasn't taken any Georgian territory when russia has
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@hx-flixblog4569 usa is building a wall in its own country not someone elses and also just because the us does something it doesn't justify Russias actions
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@jwhitenstall just because us does something it doesn't justify russia doing the same thing
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There are a few loan words here and there but it's a completely different language
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What does Israel have to do with this
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That still doesn't give you the right to attack georgia
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0:19 anime girls at the end of hentais
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@Kerberos south ossetia went against the Georgian constitution and started an armed rebellion Csa style (or chechnya style) then Georgia went in to uphold order only for Russia to attack and commit ethnic cleansing
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@Kerberos they didn't . Georgia broke away legally south ossetia illegally . Not to mention Georgia was conquered by Russia while south Ossetia has been a part of Georgia ever since BC
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Hehehehe
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Even the russian constitution acknowledged that Crimea was Ukrainian
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Coup my ass . Russia attacked another state . That's whats the problem here
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Which lies ? Just because it doesn't jerk off russia doesn't mean it's propaganda
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Source RT
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@user-wm9oo9lx3y yeah but at the start when they were in tanks they were too op imo
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Its 62%
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The level of delusion here is immense
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Ahh yes support the side which invaded
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Is south Ossetia a UN member ? Should it have been defended ?
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Source ?
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@YEGER762 when ?
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Should south ossetia be defended ? Is it a legitimate UN member?
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I C even JFK lied he said he would serve for 4 years
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@glebperch7585 poeple of donbass are protecting their pockets nothing more . Ukraine has laws and people in donbass should respect or be forced to respect it
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Russia would loose to Europe
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@jazack7441 that's the point
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@andrarak7383 they had no right do such a thing . They violated multiple treaties
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The man is cgi?
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Donetsk deserved
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@harshraj3381 I get where you're coming from but Russia isn't a saint either .
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What about 1992
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I don't see American missiles hitting Ukraine
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@youcouldbeyoubutneverbeme4748 Georgia didn't so genocide . Only fucking RT claims that. Official count of the dead in so is 162 .
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@ΑχιλλέαςΓιωσης he was impeached not overthrow
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Georgia has time
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After the collapse of the ussr the Ukrainian srr got the lands of crimea Donetsk and lugansk . These areas are quite diverse the two main ethnicities in the regions are Ukrainians and russians while in crimea russians made 62% if the population in the rest of the area they were around 48-49% the same for Ukraine while the rest were other ethnic minorities . After the collapse of the ussr Russia was left without Crimea and the other area . Russians within Russia did want to take the lands in 2014 Putin's popularity was waning so Putin decided to attack and take those regions to boost his popularity also Ukrainiane was looking more and more torwads the west so Russia didn't want Ukraine to join nato and the eu (because other countries shouldn't be allowed to make their own decisions ) so creating problems could prevent it . The local russian populations of the regions did like the move as they were russians and Russia had better living standards compared to Ukraine (higher wages , higher pensions , better social programs ) while the local Ukrainian and Tatar populations opposed the moves .
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We didn't start the war .we yes did start the 2008 conflict but the war started un the 90s . Learn some history you absolute lobotomite vegetable.
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Same reason a rapist doesn't want police . If Russia has no intentions of attacking others it has nothing to fear
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Ukraines president is a minority .
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No one says killing civilians is good
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@rechelmet so were millions of Ukrainians displaced . Not to mention that the DNR is braking the law
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@alinpopescu9325 russia wouldn't even be able to defeat the eu the European Union's economy is 20 trillion and its population is 800 million it has a far more advanced military and it also has nukes like russia
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@bogdanzivkovic8711 Israel isnt a nato member also the instant the Israel was created it was attacked by multiple nations and had to survive on its own
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@ShadowReaper-pu2hx uhh in Georgia at least 250 k people were displaced from their homes and 30 k were killed outright .so saying that is the same as if Estonia took over Petersburg and forced out everyone who didn't support them and then saying that everyone left there wants to be independent
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@andriangladiuc3223 countries actually want help Ukraine unlike russia . If Russia was to collapse outside of Serbia most people would either feel relieved or indifferent
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And it was russia who started the wars in the 90s
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If ww3 happens noone will win
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I mean we can't have Russia looking like the bad guy
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I mean if you can eat a t-90 and a su-27 then good for you
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@isioemuodeke2849 first of all russians are also Europeans and second of all hrw didnt find sufficient evidence to support the argument that Georgian troops engaged in ethnic cleansing.
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@doodskop89rs how?
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@Michaelation08 haha you are funny
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@MrToxa1 I mean south Ossetia had shelled georgian villages before the war
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Oh yes that justifies everything
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Why?
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@kopernikpolski60 did you read the article mate hrw didnt find sufficient evidence to support the argument that Georgian troops engaged in ethnic cleansing .more Georgian civilians died than Ossetians
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@kopernikpolski60 wasn't the 162 number reported by the eu not Georgian and also hrw didnt find Georgia guilty of genocide and ethnic cleansing .
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@jimmy27paul uhh usa's actions don't justify Russias actions
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@nayanmalig russia has invaded Ukraine ,georgia, Moldova and depending on how you look at it Chechnya .
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@nayanmalig uhh you know that the ussr did way worse things in Afghanistan then the west has done
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@nayanmalig ?
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@ShadowReaper-pu2hx uhh you know that usa did that like 150 years ago and also Russia has conquered Siberia. also usa's actions dont justify Russias actions
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@MainChoon you know that a war between usa and russia would send both countries into the stone age
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@dernbuy haha Crimea and also he set up illegal puppet states in Georgia
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@dernbuy uhh Georgian troops didnt engage in Ethnic cleansing .hrw didnt find enough evidence to support that claim
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@dernbuy you mean those videos with 16x16 resolution where there isn't enough context provided to prove they were committing war crimes
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@dernbuy also you know it also accuses west of human rights violations
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@dernbuy the civilian death toll in south Ossetia with the highest estimate was 365 while more reasonable estimates put it at 162 .also Russia isnt clean in its conflict .russia killed 224 Georgian civilians .please show me a video which is high quality and shows Georgian soldiers clearly shooting at civilians .also 5 peacekeepers died in that war .
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@dernbuy which video link it . Also russia killing Georgian civilians is a war crime and a breach of the Geneva convention as it is a attack on civilians and punishment for a crime which a protected person didnt directly commit
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@dernbuy uhh when did i say that no Ossetian civilians died i said that the deaths weren't a result of genocide and ethnic cleansing even then that still doesn't give russia the right to kill Georgian civilians .lets say that the entire Georgian army is guilty of holocaust level genocide even that wouldn't give russia the right to attack civilians as they didn't commit any crimes .the Genova convention say that a protected individual mustn't be punished for crimes which they personally didn't commit . btw mate what are you typing your comments on mate its not that hard to send out links .also even if a civilian shoots one bullet at a solder it make her/his status as non-combatent void .
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@dernbuy https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=pkY0mawpIVc this is a result of russian bombs dropped on civilian targets
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@dernbuy btw if i can disprove your evidence by logic , that is bad evidence
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@dernbuy how ?
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@dernbuy you neglected the findings of hrw . also how are you going say that russia wasnt an aggressor in Ukraine when it annexed Crimea. annexing lands doesn't scream defensive action .also Georgian troops didn't yell to peaceful citizens to get out or get shot.doing that is a war crime .also Bolshevik crimes .you mean me mentioning the Soviet war crimes in Afghanistan , so what just because it was the ussr it doesn't justify Russias war crimies .by that logic is Germany innocent because the government of Germany is not the same as the government of Germany which commited the brutal atrocities of ww2. More Georgian citizens died in the war . Also depending on how you look at it Georgia was completely justified in wanting to take back Ossetia as it was a part of it during the early 90s , before that it was a part of Georgia from 1918-1921 before the blosheviks invaded and even before that. It is quite ironic how you accuse me of neglecting evidence whilst you also refused to accept the judgment of hrw on the grounds that it was a corrupt western back organization when hrw also accuses usa of mistreatment of prisoners not mention all the other things it does
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@dernbuy Also when were we arguing about who started the war in 2008 Georgia did take military action in order to take back Ossetia .i was arguing that Georgian troops didnt engage in ethnic cleansing and genocide and even if they did that it still doesn't justify Russias actions
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@dernbuy btw when did i mention Stalins war crimes ?
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@dernbuy i said civilians. you lobotomite .also prove that we engaged in genocide hrw didnt find us guilty .
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@dernbuy what you have done here is called a straw man . You misinterpreted my point that Georgian solders actions dont make a Georgian civilian guilty .by your logic polish and Circassian people have a right to kill russian civilians ,also people from the Baltics have a right to kill russian civilians .btw in which video at least tell me the title of it .if you can the dead civilians and Georgian soldiers clearly moving in there without facing any resistance it should also be high enough resolution that you can clearly see who they are firing at and filmed in a way that half the screen isnt obstructed also it shouldn't be a one minute snippet
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@dernbuy until it is released that barely means anything . russia said that Georgia had killed 2000 civilians with out much evidence to support that so it retracted its statement and said that Georgia had killed 365 civilians
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@dernbuy also here is more evidence of Russian air attacks on civilian targets https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=GNmLvMLlfXw&t=28s
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@dernbuy also this https://www.google.com/amp/s/mobile.reuters.com/article/amp/idUSTRE58T62120090930
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Xeno Phon russia has invaded Ukraine , georgia, Moldova and depending on how you look at it also Chechnya
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Legally speaking it was still an annexation of Ukrainian land
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Russia a nation which has invaded since independence georgia Tajikistan chechnya Moldova and helped with the Armenian invasion of Azerbaijan is way less peaceful than Ukraine which hasn't invaded anyone
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Its 62%
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They do give out foreign aid
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Georgian snipers attacked people who shelled georgian villages
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Well your country should stop invading places and be peaceful
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Ukraine since 1991 has been involved in 2 wars in abkhazia and the current one with Russia . Russia since 1991 has been involved in 9 wars so who is the facist side here
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I don't ,they're traitors. Do not put the flag of Russia above the flag of Ukraine if you have Ukrainian citizenship
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@johnnyapplesmith on what basis is vice anti russian
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@newmelon3471 I mean showing and talked to people who for one murder a russian pow and talking to anarchist militias and talking to people who were under fire ect shouldn't really be seen as super biased russia bad vatnik libtard stuff
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@serhiy1132 more like 40 but have it your way
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vann tedd it was a military take over and Crimea violated international law also the russians in crimea made up 62% of the population
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@5oa8in2wr what Georgia does with its foreign policy is Georgias business .would it be justified if lets say china attacked russia and forced ot out of the un because it felt threatened
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@5oa8in2wr foreign doesn't mean it should be controlled by russia .it means we have a choice in which organizations we wanted to join which countries we want to have an alliance with what treaties we want to sign
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@bogdanzivkovic8711 communist china is a success .mate the place is becoming a real life recreation of 1984
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@Firefox1189 or tell it
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@soulsreaper7145 just because it doesn't jerk off Russia doesn't mean it's propaganda
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Its so that he can rile up his population . Russia is proud of wining against georgia a country which has less than 2% of its population and it brags about wining against Ukrainie 1/3 of its population and it's involvement in Syria 1/15th of its population . If it had to fight a country man to man Putin head would be on a pike in red square
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Alex The Awesome the tanks are the new self driving ones
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@ernstschloss8794 you guys invaded in the 90s
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@ernstschloss8794 abkazia was an invasion there were some disputes but nothing that major until russian forces moved in there through the north .south Ossetia on the other hand is a bit more complex cause it was kind of civil wary period so there was dispute and then russia moved in and took over south Ossetia. it was divided up but then things never really got rolling so russia just stayed there
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@vortex4355 yes because kidnapping people is helpful
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@keangutierrez3655 a) what about migs carrying out airstrikes in 1992 B) the peacekeepers violated their neutrality that's why they were shot C) hopefully Russia gets what it deserves for its participation in the sokhumi massacre
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@keangutierrez3655 a)south ossetia is an illegitimate state and a part of georgia under international law. It's not entitled to protection B) yes they did look it up
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@keangutierrez3655 a)https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Provisional_Administration_of_South_Ossetia sure B) because this is acceptable behaviour for peacekeepers laid out in the 1992 Sochi agreement https://youtu.be/WM8bsYyWrOM C) hopefully some day Russia will get what it deserves for example like what happened in sokhumi same thing happens to Petersburg . 30% of the population is dragged to the streets and crushed by tanks
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@keangutierrez3655 a)its still an autonomous structure within georgia B) how is that propaganda it's a real thing C) https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sukhumi_massacre you are the biggest contributors to these acts you fascists hopefully the same thing happens to you
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@keangutierrez3655 is this also propaganda https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://scholarlycommons.law.case.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi%3Farticle%3D1286%26context%3Djil&ved=2ahUKEwj8-K2j_N_tAhUBlIsKHfBYBi0QFjAAegQIARAB&usg=AOvVaw3V2RES9MD14-5trXLIhKgV
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@keangutierrez3655 your empire will collapse eventually . And how are those propaganda ? Our failures in terms of abkhazia and samachablo are that we trusted Russia to remain neutral. Neither of those states are legitimate . PS the girl also said she didn't see any bombs fall
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@keangutierrez3655 she still said she didn't see any bombs fall . Keep in mind also hrw said that they didn't find suitable evidence to say that delibarte attacks on civilians happened and found that the ossetian milita had used civilian buildings as firing positions
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@keangutierrez3655 and you haven't explained how the footage and report are propaganda .
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Countries join nato because they want to not because they were being invaded
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@Русский Гопник ever heard of the sokhumi massacre . lobotomite
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@Русский Гопник abkazia also was mostly only independent when Georgia wasn't a thing .also even if abkazia had historical rights it still doesn't have moral rights as it engaged in Ethnic cleansing which resulted in anywhere from 14k to 36k dead Georgian civilians and also it displaced at least 250k people abkazia is a nation built on war crimes not democracy
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@dawnofsvarog6661 hrw said that because south Ossetian troops had taken refuge in civilian buildings that the Georgian artillery fire while could be described as unjust that it didn't find sufficient evidence to support the argument that Georgian troops engaged in ethnic cleansing even the eu report says that Georgians didn't commit genocide .also it says that Russias also used grad missiles and all attacks couldn't be attributed to Georgia
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Ooga booga us do bad Russia do good ooga booga me big brain me so smart I no evey
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Name one video
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The people of donbass violated the Ukrainian constitution
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@alphafoxtrotalexofficial4727 which right ? These people are participating in an active rebellion and need to be subject force . Just like the csa was or chechnya .
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Uhh they have bad blood in-between them
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Thanks . Appreciated At least unlike the russians in the 1800s you guys had the decency to o show up to battles
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They provide weaponry . Noones going to start ww3 . Finland and Sweden are actually thinking about joining nato
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You're not georgian
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@daniels1263 your family think better than you do. All their actions be it murder , looting , shelling civilians were justified since they were done to preserve Ukrainian borders . It is Russia who disliked the border and violated its sanctity
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So do russian solders do that
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On what basis?
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They didn't tho ?
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Because we all famously know how well Russia treats its citizens
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Did an ossetian get kidnaped ? Dumbass
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Abkhazia is Georgia . Legally
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@oualidbdf not pilots tho
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In soviet Ukraine Russia invades you
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Why russians don't bleed ?
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Did I ask ?
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@c.edgerton it also helped that Russia is richer than Ukraine about 3 times over
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@alexanderchepak2009 help with what ? If you ask me Crimeans like Russia because its richer than Ukrainie not out of national spirit . Why stay in Ukraine and make 4k a year when you could join Russia and make 11k a year ?
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@Kerberos as much as Ukraine counter attacking near mykolaiv makes it the agressor. Russia attacked Georgia in 1992
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@Kerberos so what about the fact the nuli and zemo nikolisi were shelled in August 1st by ossetian and Russian forces
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@okl4747 wiki has an entire section where you can read what was happening before August 7th
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@Kerberos what revenge ? On August 1st ?
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I mean so did Russia do the same
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Well how can you trust anyone ? I mean everyone can secretly be a robot
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Why does their political affiliation matter ? They could be naz bold and anarcho-capitalists and if they follow the rules of war they'd be fine
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Because russians aren't above the law
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Oh yes demanding that they want to be a part of Ukraine is pro us
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Compare Ukraine to Russia Ukraine with all its war had killed around 3k people out oc millions of people in the war zones . Now look at Russia it supported abkhazia in the 90s in region of 500k people 31k were killed in some of the most barbaric acts in georgian history look at south Ossetia a region of 25k georgians lost around 1k to village burnings Now let's look at chechnya in the 90s the chechen population was around 1.5 million it lost 80k civilians We can continue with their involvement in Tajikistan Syria Yugoslavia Moldova ect
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Ahh yes . That bullshit video. Have you even read the Wikipedia article about south Ossetia . Not to mention the hrw eu osce and the un reports . Please educate your seld before saying shit
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Same happened in abkhazia and south ossetia Russia always promises good lives and then all of a sudden your economy dependends in Russia you make 1k a year crime goes up unemployment goes up the medical sector collapses and now you can't get health care and Russia used you as a political tool
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Would you say that if it jerked off russia
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I think he meant all over crimea not just in Sevastopol not to mention that solders don't typically diaperce in a population and concentrate around strategic points
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@vNYCblade what does that have to with it you're still wrong
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@vNYCblade no your logic is flawed
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So the guy is cgi?
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@UnironicallyMonarchistic nonexistent
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Lalalal we are Russia lalalala we are only able to win wars against nation not even half our size in population lalalal we are cowards lalalala
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Russia . As everyone that joins nato actually decides to do it and aren't forced into it
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Should the ana have been disarmed
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Mexico would get sanctioned not invaded
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@funtodiekk Cuba was sanctioned and exiled Cubans invaded with CIA backing. What about coca cola . Russia drove eastern Europe to nato. Soon enough Sweden and Finland will join
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Graham Philips gets basic facts wrong and is a russia simp .
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The abkaz Language is one of the official languages of georgia
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@marijanstankovic4132 isn't the average salary in Russia around 400$
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@decade0240 and why should Ukrainie be responsible for that ?
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@decade0240 and why should Ukrainie solve the problems of russia
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Russia
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Well you see most of their land os shit
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Well 2 of the countries are in a civil war and the other two were paid off by russia
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@MidgeCat Vanuatu has withdrawn its recognition
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@MidgeCat idk
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When did georgians occupy abkazia or south Ossetia?
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Yes because russia can do no wrong
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@CanadianImperialist 1 to 10 only at very few sectors of the front and that was back in march . Also accuracy is to be taken into consideration. It doesn't matter if you fire 10x but miss 10x too
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USA didn't give terrorists guns
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@andrejapaunic4761 well no . Taliban was created after the collapse of the Mujahedeen which happend after the Soviet invasion .and us gave weapons to kurds in Syria who defected and joined isis
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Nationalism
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Apparently getting kidnaped is an act of terrorism?
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The graphics are amazing but the russians are overpowered imo they should nerf their tanks imo
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Why not?
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Well . If you actually reports its very clear that while georgia did try to take back its own land there were no ethnic cleansings or genocides commited by the georgian army
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Georgians were the majority in those areas
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Sure man .
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Yeah . its almost like georgia doesn't push over other nations and didn't kill like what 37k people and support a campaign of expulsion
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Its easy russian actions have led to the death of what like 37k georgians and the displacement of 320k georgians . How would you feel if idk china killed & displaced millions of russians
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But the ethnic russian population there was 62%
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3.6*
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Even the russian constitution before 2014 had acknowledged Crimea as a part of Ukraine
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@ivansavr still even russia acknowledged that Crimea wasn't theirs
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@ivansavr and broke international law . You don't just take things like that
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@ivansavr no one took anything in Yugoslavia and also how is that relevant?
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@ivansavr Yugoslavia dissolved as a nation . Also Russia did take crimea from Ukraine . The will of the people doesn't mean that you can do that. Under international law you are in Ukraine and have to obey Ukrainian law . The Ukrainian constitution requires a bilateral agreement to change its territories Crimea didn't have an agreement with Ukraine to do that and broke law
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@ivansavr ok about the 1991 referendum so what ?
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@ivansavr nato didn't destroy it . Until 1999 it never even got involved in this conflict . Also the coup or not you still needed a bilateral agreement with the government . Crimea isn't above the law
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@ivansavr I said until 1999 nato didn't get involved. Also depleted uranium is only 40% as radioactive as u-238 . Its not that dangerous to humans . What happened in crimea was ilegal . Crimea isn't above the law they needed a bilateral agreement with Ukraine
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@ivansavr it was ilegal but not everything was natos fault . Are you saying that what happened in Ukraine was legal ?
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@ivansavr also great point you have made and insults yeah you have just demolished everything I said
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@ivansavr https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yugoslav_Wars at least read this .
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Yes . South Ossetia notorious for its wealth .
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@conor_mctraher its 62%
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Yeah but this was before those things happened
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So what
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Same thing they did in abkhazia in the 90s
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On what basis
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@lanzelotmackenzie7328 and are violating international law
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@lanzelotmackenzie7328 a) 3k civilians have died in the war so did the DNR shell Ukrainian cities in which civilians were present B) self defense doesn't require a separate state
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@lanzelotmackenzie7328 you do realise the only reason the DNR won any battles was because Ukrainie lacked anti tank equipment and DNR got russian tanks
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@lanzelotmackenzie7328 how the hell do you capture tanks when you don't have weapons ?
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@lanzelotmackenzie7328 Germany doesn't border Ukrainie and in that video they showed off like 8 things . DNR has way more tanks not to mention they had tanks from the very beginning
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@lanzelotmackenzie7328 still without russian support DNR wouldn't have survived . Its the same thing they did in abkhazia majority of the forces were locals some were foreigners and probably some Russians did help out also but the big things like tanks guns air power and ammoniation was supplied by russia
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@lanzelotmackenzie7328 do you really think Ukrainie is nigh incompetent that despite having the firepower the man power the training and the logistical advantage doesn't have the military capacity to defeat uprisings in 2 regions with the local population more or less being split and roughly 50% supporting them .
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Ossetia is a part of Georgia thus its ok to attack
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@hakimshah8397 it did in 1991 and it's legally Georgian . The entire world except Russia agress to this decision
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@hakimshah8397 soviet union invaded Georgia . South Ossetia ended up Georgian because it had been Georgian since the beginning of history
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@hakimshah8397 abkhazians made up 17% of the population abkhazian A.r . Stalin considered himself russified . You can look up his talk with the Lithuanian foreign minister in 1940 . Our independence was legal . Abkhazian and ossetian ilegal and we didn't conquer either one of them
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@hakimshah8397 constitutionality . Their independence was unilateral which is only legitimate in either cases of colonialism and or genocide . Neither of which was going on . Also our declaration of independence didn't mean beheading people or skinning them alive. I was talking about 1992 after that abkhazians committed ethnic cleansing .
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@hakimshah8397 if you go far back enough you must acknowledge that everything east of sokhumi was held by the principality of samegrelo and was taken by abkhazia who either sold Evey Georgian there into slavery or killed them . Complete independence for abkhazia is as unjustified as making it just another region of Georgia . It's a historical habitat of both Georgians and abkhazians thus the autonomous republic compromise is the best solution . Russia's self serving interventions do more damage than good .
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@hakimshah8397 you're comparing apples to oranges . You're ok with me taking money out of a bank by loan but not ok with me robbing it. I mean if Georgians are just colonial residents how come there are bridges in abkhazia built in the 11th century with Georgian writing in them . Ever heard of grigol mokveli . The duchy of tskhumi ? Sanigs? Georgians have an extensive history within abkhazia way before Russia . Georgians and abkhazians must act within the established legal framework . It was the abkhazians who violated this framework on July 27th 1992
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When was the last time USA attacked Mexico
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@Cactusnolia Castro came into power by overthrowing the government too. Nicaragua had all sorts instability , still less damage than Ukraine
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@Африканскийпожиратель source ?
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No I can't hear the other side . Anyone who doesn't suck off Russia is a troll . Russia is the best thing to happen ever and it had done nothing wrong ever
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Uhh when did it become russias decision which nation join what ?
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And then you wonder why you're seen as the bad guys
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The rebels said they'd shell the area
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Too much rt ?
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Uhh and not with conflict in the 90s
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In that case Russia should pull out of Ukraine
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Depleted uranium isn't radioactive enough to cause long term birth defects
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Uhh when ? In 2008 we didn't commit genocide .only 162 ossetian civilians died and that even includes the one which were killed by russian forces
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You give up a region of your country
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@therzal they repelled Kiev . You're wastly overestimating Russia . Ukraine can fight for years
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@docprune9922 sure it was . That's why Russia sent its best troops there . Russia lost admit it
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@docprune9922 USA took Baghdad with 30k men against 45k Russia tried to take Kyiv and got its ass handed to it .
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To gain back Georgian territory .
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It's not the last line tho . Lyman and rivers behind bakhmut exist too . But probably aren't going to be needed because russians aren't taking bakhmut anytime soon
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If Russia is so fond of self governance then why doesn't it free the north Caucasus?
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Still an ilegal move no negotiating no international courts no turn over
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Russia had invaded georgia Moldova and chechnya that's 3 nations Ukraine has invaded no one
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The war started in the 90s
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Uhh can you explain?
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When did georgians occupy south Ossetia?
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@aquilifer_1823 ok bot
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They do .but they don't have that much
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*Crimea * The Ukrainian language * How Ukrainian was it ?
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@youcouldbeyoubutneverbeme4748 abkhazian is an official language under georgian law.
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Not really. They are basically okrugs at this point
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@FizzVizard nice fiction
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2 times
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Saakashvili wasn't in power durring the 90s
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@mitsospouliezos6289 saakashvili wasn't in power durring the 90s . Read a book
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Authoritarianism is a cult . He implements populist policies and exploits nationalism often time prioritising short term gain over long term progress . A stronger leader isn't the same as a good one
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Provide sources
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@Африканскийпожиратель for example casualties
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@gortschinedits8131 maybe because attacking another sovereign state is bad
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@gortschinedits8131 its Ukrainian territory the people there if they feel threatened can leave . (Russians there loyal to Ukraine aren't attacked ) Russia doesn't have the right to disrespect internationally recognised borders .
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@tatianalyulkin410 what does that have to do with anything?
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Because having military force in a part of a country with out its permission isn't an occupation
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@DaveDahuh so is Russia and so has it done some unsavoury things
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@DaveDahuh Russia also has bases in abkhazia, south ossetia , Crimea ,Armenia Kazakhstan ect so does russia have bases outside of its borders So was the us invitated by the Kurds
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Oh lets end the world
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One guy is getting advanced weaponry and the other is not
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Burberry is pretty easy
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Source RT
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South Ossetias claim to independence is weaker then the army of Panama
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If you don't want war then don't separate ilegally . Also don't kick out georgians . David soslan is rolling in his grave looking at your betrayal
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You're laughing .a man has blown he himself into a crowd and you're laughing
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mo ali you wouldn't get it
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This documentary is about georgians who are being affected by the creeping occupation
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You're wrong .russia changed the ossetian border after the war to try and take control of strategic positions .
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He is British
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Do you think the russians are bulletproof?
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Which country kicked out like half its population and which country illegally killed hundreds of georgians in the 90s? Why are not you mentioning the 90s conflicts .oh it makes russia look like the aggressor .
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Jewish president
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Could be DPR
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What about the equipment of the ana
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Not really as russia has never really had a democracy .i am not gonna argue that just because someone is russian they are bad .it kinda is as if they survile
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Well the controller doesn't help the Donetsk's case
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Um he was elected .also Putin is a none elected killer dictator
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And you forgot all about the 90s
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Huh?
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Good
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Ossetia lost its right to self determination when it kicked out half its population
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Eastern Ukraine has minorities of ethnic russians while some regions have a russian majority that's not the case in most of them . Putins popularity was going down so to rile up the population Putin attacked Ukrainie and obviously Russia being a bigger nation won then annexed Crimea . Russian people liked the move made by Putin so his popularity went up again. Ukraine was also going more and more to the west which Russia seems to see a disaster because if Ukraine joins nato then they would loose it forever
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@cultparade2981 legally speaking 1000% of crimea could've been I want Russia but without a bilateral agreement with Ukraine they'd still be braking the law . Also if Russia cares about self determination why doesn't it give up the north Caucasus ? By your logic chechnya was a legitimate state
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@le_sad6867 your girlfriend shouldn't have betrayed her country. +Relationships in general are immoral
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@le_sad6867 unfortunate but the borders of Ukraine matter more than her life +Tf you doing dating a 14 year old
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@le_sad6867 doesn't matter. Russia signed the treaties and gave these lands . Then Russia had to leave the traitors their fate
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@le_sad6867 I'm not ukrainian. Putin signed the Kharkiv pact in 2011
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Source RT
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@Африканскийпожиратель RT doesn't command Ukrainian forces . You're telling me Ukraine has lost more than half its army ?
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@sjsisdhdjdkssosjdhxnx you mean America is helping Ukraine fight off an invader
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@kentucky fried it was still a military take over and 1 Ukrainian was killed
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How ?
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@adineatha9766 ahh yes because Russia hasn't attacked Georgia. Turks are also Sunni
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Good russia should be encircled and it's troops should fear going outside of russian borders .
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@shawnushyarov4584 well at least durg adled chechns didn't defeat them in belsan
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@shawnushyarov4584 good point
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If he says he isn't a Nazi then he isn't a nazi
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@notfromhere9825 Patric Lancaster isn't reliable source
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Source ?
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What the rihneland ?
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Ahh yes those awful Americans making the russian violate 3 different treaties
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They would
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Russians made up 62% of the population
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And what about the control guy
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I had a stroke trying to read this
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They don't want to
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You guys attacked in the 90s . You have no right to be on Georgian soil .also its none of Russias business what organizations Georgia wants to join
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Its ilegal because it violated the constitution of Ukraine and Russia straight up attacked another nation
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@mamifanai4266 still ilegal every last person in crimea could've been like we want Russia and what they did would've still been ilegal . The constitution of Ukraine requires a bilateral agreement with the government to change its borders and Crimea didn't have it . They aren't above the law
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@mamifanai4266 that doesn't matter. They went against law you don't just become a part of another country like that its way more complicated also the russian population in crimea was 62%
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@mamifanai4266 the west had nothing to with that
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@mamifanai4266 firstly what laws has Ukrainie broken and secondly what's wrong with having a middle defence system
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What have they lied about
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Or why is the commander bullshiting
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@b1rito 3 km per week isn't large
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@b1rito sure it's not 3km per week . We saw the Russian advance into the heart of Ukraine
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@Африканскийпожиратель sure man . 3km per week isn't a great success
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@Африканскийпожиратель any source on the 10% figure
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@Африканскийпожиратель you're just writing text. Give a source
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They take side cause russian wages are 400 USD while Ukrainian ones are lower and pensions in Russia are higher
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And you didn't even mention the 90s . Can have russia look bad
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All of them are traitors
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Good
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Source RT
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@peterdurum434 people went after them for being traitors , they didn't become traitors because people went after them
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@peterdurum434 there war no coup . Look up article 111 of the Ukrainian constitution .
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@peterdurum434 which violent overthrow . The parliament ousted the president by the powers granted to in the Ukrainian constitution there was nothing ilegal there done by the Ukrainian government . Look up the article 111 of the Ukrainian constitution
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Any day now , any day now . Name the date
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@maxim666-e8v yes they were
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yeah right
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Ukraine had like 40k men and an invasion is still an invasion . You took another region from country and violated international law
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Yes because a scared girl is a reliable source of information.
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Says the person supporting a country which has supported multiple acts of ethnic cleansing
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Yeah sure those men were definitely Crimean
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