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@RomanNizhnyNovgorod after the collapse of the ussr Russia bombed Georgia into oblivion and Georgia is considered a middle income country . Yeah any country would losse money. And Georgias natural state isn't impoverishment , the 1918 republic of Georgia had a decent economy and durring times of peace Georgia has built up wealth .
Georgia has a import export deficit with the west . More money leaves Georgia than goes to it .
If Russia had left Georgia alone it would be like the Baltics now . Georgia had less corruption than Russia , lower crime rate , less inequality, lower hiv rate , easier to do business in , higher green energy, higher literacy rate , faster growing economy , more freedom of press and the Georgian state budget uses taxes as the main revenue source instead of oil exports to Europe .
The biggest reason Georgia isn't rich because our neighborh up north bombed us .
The only thing russians produce is oil . Georgia produces things such bacteria phages ( a small community of foreigners visit Georgia to get treatments for superbugs ), cables , cigarettes, etc .
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1. that only works for small numbers , Israel has lost what less than 20 tanks , if it was the case that the Russians lost 10 tanks to Ukraine's 2 then maybe yeah. but we are talking about Russia losing 250 tanks , most of which were blown up by Ukrainians. this shows heavy losses. an enemy you're absolutely destroying , doesn't take out that much stuff.
2. that's what I like to call the worst case fallacy, Russians don't outnumber Ukrainians in artillery 10 to 1 all the time , that happens during the worst of the worst days , the average is not that high , using that as an estimate is really misleading. That's like using the battle of Bilohorivka to say Russia is losing 10 tanks per 1 Ukrainian tank , that was the worst case scenario not the default.
3.the peak I've seen is 150 in day , I'd like to see a source on the 500 claim
4. History legends is a pro-Russian shill , he predicted that Kherson offensive would fail , he predicted that Kyiv would be encircled , he predicted that the Donbass would be encircled, he predicted that the fall of bakhmut would lead to a collapse of the front. There are some videos where the Russians do use masses of infantry but it's not like enemy at the gates . I agree with HL that Russians tend to try and use infiltration tactics more and most of the time use heavy armour but the problem is Ukrainians have drones and anti-tank missiles and those assaults most of the time end very badly for the Russians , the whole idea of progress on the front then for both sides is to launch so many assaults that the defenders no longer have the supplies to hold you back or one of them manages to slip through and compromise their positions
5. the defenders advantage is huge , history if full of examples of larger , more technologically advanced armies being mauled by them. The japanese in Iwo Jima had nothing and still inflicted higher losses on the Americans , the Germans in courland did the same to the soviets , the same goes for Monte Cassino. We have 3 mostly independent sources for the losses of armour (lostarmour , oryx and warspotting) and even the most conservative estimates for Russia against the highest reasonable estimate for Ukraine still puts Ukraine at lower armour losses. It's not that unreasonable to assume that Ukraine inflicts higher losses
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1. Korea , the invasion was stopped , then China had to get involved , lost 8 men per 1 American and in the end only political pressure forced America to sign a ceasefire
2. Vietnam , the USA successfully kept the South Vietnamese government in charge for 15 years , incursions were stopped , most North Vietnamese forces in south Vietnam either had to flee back or were destroyed , the US military lost around 1.5% of it's personnel . North Vietnam was forced to sign the Paris accords , they attacked in violation of it but because the war so unpopular at home the USA declined to stop them
3.Islamic Republic of Afghanistan was in charge for 20 years , majority of the Taliban was either killed or imprisoned , by the time that the Taliban went on the offensive the USA only had 2000 troops deployed to Afghanistan .
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@johnpaul-b9h 1. while it is correct to say that Hamas is a weaker opponent to Israel than Ukraine is to Russia , it misses the point . In the Gaza war it is obvious that Israel is absolutely inflicting much higher loses on Hamas than it is suffering , my point was that there the metric of destroyed armoured vehicles can be easily dismissed because the losses are so comparatively low. While in Ukraine , even on small sections of the front so much armour is lost that those numbers cannot be dismissed. it's significantly harder to justify higher casualties claim when it's 2 lost tanks vs 6 lost tanks than it is to justify it when it's 100 tanks vs 300 tanks. Having more stuff doesn't automatically translate to losing more stuff , in reality having more often means losing less ,5 tanks will fight more effectively than 1 tank. The equipment Russia loses is lost to Ukrainian action , in the case that Russia was truly inflicting disproportionate casualties , they wouldn't be losing so much equipment since there wouldn't be combat effective units to take out that equipment.also Ukraine didn't receive significant NATO training before 2022 , only like 5 brigades ever trained with NATO.
2. that makes the assumption that it takes the same amount of shells to kill Ukrainians as it takes to kill Russians . Now, I am not saying that Ukrainians are bulletproof nor that Russians have paper skin but in most of the significant engagements of this war in the past year (Avdiivka, Bakhmut , Vuhledar , Krupiansk direction) have been mostly Ukrainians who were in entrenched positions fighting Russians who were assaulting said positions, it takes significantly more shells to kill someone in a trench than it takes to kill someone assaulting the trench. Ukrainians have drones too , the status on the number of drones is very hard to get . You can find articles stating Ukraine is using them more and you can find articles saying Russia , even in this case , being hidden and prepared gives Ukraine the advantage. You can also find many videos of repelled armoured assaults , even HL showed that on his meat wave video.
3. We are all humans but you wouldn't trust a neurosurgeon with a 1% success rate.This war is very ideologically charged with both sides engaging in heavy use propaganda. for me ,someone who consistently holds pro-Russia/Russia optimistic beliefs seems like a source that is more attached to Russia than they are to the truth.
you don't automatically risk more if you use more , most times you risk less . If 2 people were to fight 1v1 the chance of one side breaking a bone is maybe 10% , in a fight that is 10v1 , it's pretty much assured that no one from the 10 group will experience any significant physical harm.
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Sukan oh yes Russia which has never killed anyone . For example
Circassians , chechens ,meskhetian turks , Crimean Tartars , Ukrainians , Estonians , Lithuanias , Latvians , poles and Afghanis .
And Russia never help Armenia in nk in which Armenians massacred azeris . Never help abkhazia and south ossetia massacre georgian civilians in the 90s never help slobodan meloshevich in his ethnic cleansing campaigns in the 90s , never help went into transistria ect
Russia never supported dictators like Assad ,lukasheko , miloshevich , ect
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@Tribalpotato we are the west ,why shouldn't we bother ? We must also realize the disparity in commitment regarding Ukraine , the west currently sends 0.3% of it's gdp and Russia spends 7% , if we spent 3% of our gdp Russia would go bankrupt or lose the war
the United states per year makes 10 million cars , Germany make 4 million , Russia only make 700k a year , The industrial production capacity is much greater than Russia. In terms of other equipment like aircraft the USA out manufactures both Russia and China combined
the manpower shortage is blown out of proportion , the Ukrainians have enough men to keep fighting (this country in ww2 mobilized 8 million men after a famine) .
Look the current war though , we just 0.3% of the western GDP Russia has been forced to crawl , In just the effort to take Avdiivka they lost 250+ tanks as per warspotting , even the smallest village needs a few battalions worth of men a couple weeks to fall . Russia is currently peacocking , they want to make themselves seem stronger then they really are .
Ukraine can handle the current war , it inflicts higher casualties on Russia and losses land at a slow pace , without western aid sure, they'll eventually lose , even with a kdr of 4 Ukraine as a percentage would still be losing more , but with western aid Ukraine has proven to be able to damage Russia very hard
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@shtein4476 regular people like the imperial army (Russian volunteers) , Chetniks (Serbian volunteers) , Vostok Brigade (Chechens) , Rusich(Wagner) , Continental Unit (Various European Fascists) , InterBrigades (members of the National Bolshevik party in Russia) , Carlos Palomino International Brigade (Spanish commies) , Orthodox Dawn (Bulgarians) , Legion of saint Stephan (Hungarian nationalists)
I could go on but I am getting tired , we all see how all of these people are residents of the donbass who wished for separation from Ukraine
I guess Aidar ,Donbass and Azov battalions are false because they were formed by or consisted of Russians from the Donbass
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Moldot , Georgia , Ukraine , Afghanistan , Poland , hungry, Finland , Poland again, the Baltics , Poland again , the mountain republic , Georgia again , Armenia , Azerbaijan , Ukraine again, the Baltics , Finland
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@skeptic1124 1.just because Russia got pissed of doesn't make them right, the Donbass betrayed Ukraine so Ukraine used force to keep its land . I mean what would you say if tomorrow China attacked Russia because of Chechnya , how was that any different ?
2. USA started Cuban missile crisis after the Soviet Union actually sneaked Nukes into Cuba , there were exactly 0 American missiles in Ukraine prior to 2022
3.the ones from America can't be intercepted either. it's very hard to intercept an ICBM. even still , being a part of NATO doesn't mean you host NUKES , only Italy ,Belgium , Western part of Germany and the Netherlands host American Nukes. Russia doesn't want NATO on its borders for the same reason a thief doesn't want for you to get a guard dog. Russia hates the fact that if they try to bomb Estonia it will be pummeled and flattened
4. Mujahadeen yes , but that's a different organization , did the UK assist NAZI Germany because they fought alongside Germany during the 9 years war ? I mean the funny thing about Isis also is that majority of its weapons are Russian and ton of its members were from the North Caucasus , even a large part of their leadership
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@maxbounce 1. "The presence of Russian volunteer soldiers is not equal to the presence of the regular Russian army" I mean you can check out the vice documentary where it is pretty clear many members of the Russian army were fighting in the Donbass , this is different from an American civilians going as a volunteer to Ukraine. Also , really ? do you think I am stupid ? where the hell would the LDPR milita's between Ukraine and Russia have gotten the needed supplies to wage the war from ? not to mention point 10 of MINSK 2 was "Pullout of all foreign armed formations, military equipment, and also mercenaries from the territory of Ukraine under OSCE supervision. Disarmament of all illegal groups." . Khodakovsky openly stated that Russian forces had saved the Separatists
2. Yes they did , for Russia Chechen secession was unacceptable so why is Crimean secession acceptable ? only difference between those 2 was 1 didn't benefit Russia and the other did. Ukraine doesn't have a federal government , it's not a federation , it's an unitary state. Ukraine didn't violate the constitution as the Rada technically had the right to declare Yanukovich unfit to rule
3. Ukraine for the most part is far less guilty of voiding the Minsk agreement. Minsk 2 was signed on February 12th 2015 , on February 15th 2015 a ceasefire was supposed to come into effect , on February 18th 2015 LDPR forces took over the town Debaltsevo in violation of the ceasefire. Ukraine until 2021 was barred from buying German arms , until 2019 from American arms (keep in mind USA wasn't a part of MINSK) , France even quite famously cancelled multiple orders of ships to Ukraine (which had been made prior to 2014) and still continued to sell thermal and night vision to the Russian army until 2022. Ukraine still implemented much more of the agreement than LDPR did (for instance even passing the law on autonomy)
4. Merkel was part of the "change through trade" movement , she was quite clear on her position at the time that if the west simply just worked with Russia and more or less appeased Russia , Russia would reform itself into a liberal democracy. Merkel's statements about MINSK came in December of 2022 , after the Ukrainian victories. She was just trying to save face because anyone with a decent enough understanding of this conflict can easily say she was played like a fool by Putin and she left Ukraine basically on its own
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@MyNameIsJ3ffrey as per oryx 450 tanks lost and considering they include damaged tanks which can be repaired , more of them are active than not
2)well we've got confirmed low base 1700 tanks for Russia lost too . Yes some of them here are also listed as damaged but considering the fact Ukraine started the war with 1000 tanks have gotten 300ish more , they cannot be losing the vehicles at a higher rate . Also Ukraine is mostly on the defensive, this gives them several advantages
3)we have mostly accurate data. Just because it's not pro russian data , doesn't mean it's inaccurate the data we have correctly lines up with the events which have happened. Toll on Ukrainian has been heavy but not as heavy as some make it .
William oam, interviewed on guy who we only know as soldier X , his story wasn't the most bulletproof, even if real , this is circumstancial and anecdotal evidence. Interviews with others like Civ Div paint a different picture , the weight of evidence here isn't strong .
I think what's happening here is oversimplification. People like to watch a 2 minute news segment instead of 5 hour analysis of the subject. Russia isn't going to run out of all the missiles , but it hasn't switched to shahed drones and s-300 ground mode strikes for no reason. In the same sence Russia isn't going to run out of artillery shells but it didn't reduce its fire rate from 60k to 15k for no reason .
If you look at the data 1 to 5 is a stretch, this is artificially only selecting the worst occasions such as severodonetsk and then applying the thing to the whole front . I can do the same thing with bilohorivka and Russia should be at 30k vehicles lost by now .
Artillery is the biggest killer is a broad claim it could be responsible for 11% of all kills and everything else could be 9.8% . An advantage in fire rate doesn't mean more targets hit . Look at mariinka, avdiivka , Bakhmut, etc . The pictures don't scream precision strike. A makiivka style strike will kill far more than a hundred indiscriminate artillery barrages like the ones at vuhledar . All that artillery and the attacking force still got torn apart . Also Russians are the attacking force , Ukrainians aren't sitting in an open field , they have trenches , dugouts , foxholes , camouflaged positions , it's the Russians who have to in the end go forward to take this places . You can flatten an entire city but unless you manage to hit basically directly in the trench doesn't really matter that much
War is complex , it's factors don't live in a vacuum and you cannot reason about them in a vacuum either
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@libertarianbydefault nope , the west hasn't violated any part of those treaties . in 2004 the Yushchenko was poisoned , most likely by Russia , there is no proof of western intervention. Aside from Budapest the west hadn't really signed other treaties (Kharkiv pact , 1997 black sea partition treaty and 2004 Russia-Ukraine friendship treaty were purely between Russia and Ukraine)
EU in 2013 didn't mandate any cuts with Russia , in fact it was the opposite , the EU was trading loads with Russia , they didn't really care that much , Russia did though
Ukraine was constitutionally obligated to be neutral until the 23rd of December 2014 , well after Russia illegally annexed Crimea and started the war in Donbass , in 2008 the idea was pretty quickly shot down.
Ukraine killed people in the east because they rose up against Ukraine ,that was the right thing to do , Americans killed Confederates , Russians killed Chechens , they could've always just never been loyal to Moscow and actually listened to Kyiv
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@ronjinskaarin8310 Not every Doctrine is equal but fair point.
The problem ,I think mainly here is mentality. In the west, being strong now has become the same as being evil. Being confident is being evil. Being forceful is being evil. In Russia there is much less of this. In the west there is no strong conviction to defeat Russia , to see them as the enemy they are. In the USA , people experience ,currently 3% inflation , in Russia it is 7.2% , yet no one in Russia demands a total defeat of their side in Ukraine. Fact is , in nearly every category of production , the west is far stronger than Russia aircraft , technology , cars , medicine. This is not something inherit to the west but just a product of economics. USA to Ukraine has committed 0.6% of the budget , Russia has committed 33% budget , people here complain that we send too much and people in Russia complain they don't send enough.
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@ronjinskaarin8310 I don't want war either , but there is just ,right and sensible, If a killer breaks into your house , you call the police who arrest him , if another country invades yours you fight back and push them out. Russia is wrong , very clearly and for all the faults of the politicians in the west , Russia still decided to invade another country with the express purpose expansion at Ukraine's cost. We tried appeasement in the past and it didn't work.
Russia is fully determined to achieve this goal, to achieve this goal it will a lot of things. It will lie , it will bomb , it will build and it will destroy and most Russians will go along with it. Most Russians may not like getting shot at or being bombed but most of them are so deluded and some of them are so evil that they'd rather go through that than the terrible consequence of Ukrainian victory.
A Russian victory abandons Ukraine to a country with not so great of a human rights record , it risks further escalation , it undermines the influence of the west.
There is a Roman saying which went along something like "those who seek to conquer will triumph over those who wish to be left alone".
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@electro1622 Russia isn't advanced , sure it can pull off party tricks to send a satellite but nowadays they've fallen behind
Russian hypersonics are way over hyped , they failed tons of times in Ukraine and in some cases even breaking down mid flight and landing in Russia , aside from that their s-400 has been destroyed in Ukraine and they've also consistently failed stop himars and drone attacks
Russia cannot make modern microelectronics at scale , falls behind the west in optics and fails in many other fields , Russia doesn't even have scanned array radar
Look around you and please tell me what do you use that is Russian and that isn't either food or gas.
Even if you take hypersonics aside from that what does Russia have that the USA doesn't ?
USA has aesa , Excalibur (Russians only have a laser designated version) , javelin (Russia doesn't have fire and forget) , f-22 and f-35 (Russia only has prototype versions of su-57) , b-21 (Russia doesn't have a stealth bomber) , r9x , USA is far ahead of Russia in regards to rail guns and artificial intelligence, satellite technology, etc
And that's just military sector
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@johnpaul-b9h 1. yes the proportion is the same but the scale is different. In a large enough war where one side lost 2 tanks and the other 6 , that clearly shows that tank losses and the use of tanks aren't that large parts of the war. So a disparity in that means little , while a larger number shows that tank warfare is an indicative factor. Imagine a fight where one person land 1 kick and the other one land 2 , you wouldn't really say that second person beat up the other more because they landed twice as many kicks , clearly landing kicks wasn't that large part of the fight , but in a fight where one person land 10 and the other lands 20 , clearly one person did beat up the other more. There is a reason why in most studies a large sample size is needed.
2. It doesn't really matter what kind of fortifications the Russians have , they're on the assault , they're the ones climbing out of their trenches and going forward to try and take Ukrainian positions , do you think they teleport ? Ukrainians get to sit in trenches and Russians have to get out of their trenches to get to them , one is significantly better protected
3. it's not like tanks only work against other tanks , they can be used against atgm positions , the more tanks you have the more shells you can fire against those positions , tanks have a combat utility and the more you have the better it is. There is no good reason to expect that if you send out 200 tanks instead of 20 , that the losses of the 200 tanks should 10 times as high.
this still leaves the question open of if the Ukrainians are suffering higher losses than the Russians , how are they managing to blow up so many more tanks . Are they using zombies ? someone has to blow up the tank. my point was that if the ratio was the same but the numbers were small you could call it a fluke , but with such high numbers you wouldn't really expect higher tank losses without higher human losses
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1. yes the proportion is the same but the scale is different. In a large enough war where one side lost 2 tanks and the other 6 , that clearly shows that tank losses and the use of tanks aren't that large parts of the war. So a disparity in that means little , while a larger number shows that tank warfare is an indicative factor. Imagine a fight where one person land 1 kick and the other one land 2 , you wouldn't really say that second person beat up the other more because they landed twice as many kicks , clearly landing kicks wasn't that large part of the fight , but in a fight where one person land 10 and the other lands 20 , clearly one person did beat up the other more. There is a reason why in most studies a large sample size is needed.
2. It doesn't really matter what kind of fortifications the Russians have , they're on the assault , they're the ones climbing out of their trenches and going forward to try and take Ukrainian positions , do you think they teleport ? Ukrainians get to sit in trenches and Russians have to get out of their trenches to get to them , one is significantly better protected
3. it's not like tanks only work against other tanks , they can be used against atgm positions , the more tanks you have the more shells you can fire against those positions , tanks have a combat utility and the more you have the better it is. There is no good reason to expect that if you send out 200 tanks instead of 20 , that the losses of the 200 tanks should 10 times as high.
this still leaves the question open of if the Ukrainians are suffering higher losses than the Russians , how are they managing to blow up so many more tanks . Are they using zombies ? someone has to blow up the tank. my point was that if the ratio was the same but the numbers were small you could call it a fluke , but with such high numbers you wouldn't really expect higher tank losses without higher human losses
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@saladiniub turkey bought s-400 once. It also buys American weaponry . So does Egypt . Ukraine, isreal, Saudi Arabia , basically all nato states , Finland , Sweden, Morocco , Austria , Australia , Mexico , Jordan , Bosnia etc all buy us made weaponry
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@miriamweller812 that's where you're wrong , Ukrainians weren't just sitting around waiting to get bombed and neither were the Russians simply sitting back and bombing Ukrainians . Whenever the Russians bomb Ukrainian troops, the Ukrainians are in trenches, dug outs , bunkers etc , whenever the Ukrainians would shell Russians the said Russians would mostly be in the open and assaulting .
Ukrainians have mines , intelligence , drones , etc against russians
This was like monte cassino, you attack a well built up area , raw firepower can only get you so far
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@levvayner4509 the other side by many Russians' words was in the most fortified town in Europe and the Russians only started dropping bombs on the last week.
Also Ukraine has a shell shortage , it's not like they have 0 shells or no weaponry to respond with , they're not defenseless. The Ukrainians had hardened points , trenches , heavily mined areas , good anti armour weaponry and intelligence
In the last days , sure. Russia probably inflicted a lot of losses at for itself a lower cost but you don't lose 600 vehicles because you have an easy job.
In monte Cassino the Germans were heavily outnumbered and out gunned but because they were holding a well fortified position managed to inflict 2.5 times the losses on the Allies , In Courland which has not too dissimilar of a topography from Ukraine the Germans were cut off , out numbered and out gunned but because they were holding foritifed positions they still managed to inflict heavier casualties on the Soviets than they themselves took.
If it was really that terrible for Ukraine and Russians weren't taking higher losses , they'd just withdraw , that's basically what happened in the entire Lugansk Oblast
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why zero results ? 2300 Russian tanks blown up , 100k Dead Russian troops , 10 Russian ships sunk, Kherson freed , Khakriv freed , Kyiv saved, Ruble down to 1.1 cents , Inflation Rate in Russia up to 13.8% in 2022 and 7.5% in 2023 , Russian automotive sector went from making 1 million cars a year to 600k cars a year , Russian arms export went down from 12 Billion USD to 3 Billion USD , expansion of NATO into Finland and soon into Sweden.
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@twilightstar9973 neither was the ussr collapsing till it was . Russia is an autocratic , corrupt , demographically endangered , economically shoddy, with ever increasing numbers of enemie and shells of states for allies . Russia will hold Crimea, abkhazia , south ossetia , prednestrovie , Donetsk and Lugansk for as long as it has the force and might to do so .
Russia has a smaller population than Bangladesh yet it holds ambitions of being a world power . It's only inevitable that it's circumstances catches up with its politics. There is only so many black holes that the russian budget can fit . All empires collapse.
USD is the economic backbone of the world . Even russian reserves use a lot of USD . It's not going anywhere for long.
Russia just like the Romans, the Persians , the Byzantines , the Seljuks , the Timurids , the ottomen , the safavids will be gutted by time and fail .
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@Irondonkey5 On February 20 the Russian Defense Ministry sent an SU-25 fighter-bomber to bomb Sukhumi in retaliation. An American journalist who witnessed the attack, Thomas Goltz, noted in a 1993 Foreign Policy article that Russian defense minister Pavel Grachev, who first denied that any raid had taken place, next claimed that Georgia had bombed its own citizens, and finally admitted that "a Russian attack had taken place.
The role of Russian actors in the conflict became considerably more pronounced during the first six months of 1993. This was precisely at a time when human rights abuses and violations of the laws of war attributable to heavy weapons obtained from Russian sources were becoming more serious. The Russian military took a direct role in hostilities on several occasions, and appears to have provided logistical support and supplies to the Abkhaz
the sudden presence of armor, tanks, and heavy artillery among the previously lightly armed Abkhaz in the fighting between October and December 1992 realistically leaves little room for any conclusion except that some parties, within the Russian forces, decided to supply the Abkhaz. The equipment had to come from somewhere, and given that the Georgians did not supply it, the likely source was Russia.
https://www.hrw.org/legacy/reports/1995/Georgia2.htm
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@vii7031 Greece , Cyprus, Bulgaria, Algeria , Slovenia, Azerbaijan, Vietnam , Egypt , Romania , potentially Turkey, etc
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@Freeliner75 >Human Rights Watch's interviews with these Russian fighters are of significance because they provide evidence that Moscow may have been supplying direct military assistance in the Abkhaz conflict. The fighters stated that they, their weapons, and ammunition were transported on official Russian government relief flights
>Russia's extensive involvement in the Abkhazia conflict brought with it certain responsibilities for the human rights and humanitarian law violations that occurred there. Russia was in various ways responsible for escalating human rights abuse: members of its armed forces made available weapons to groups or individuals known or likely to use them to commit atrocities, and members of its forces indeed carried out a large number of attacks against Georgian targets, which resulted in civilian casualties.
>The conflict in Abkhazia was heightened by the involvement of Russia, mostly on the Abkhaz side, especially during the war's initial stages. Whereas Russia has endorsed the territorial integrity of the Republic of Georgia, Russian arms found their way into Abkhaz hands, Russian planes bombed civilian targets in Georgian-controlled territory, Russian military vessels, manned by supporters of the Abkhaz side, were made available to shell Georgian-held Sukhumi, and at least a handful of Russian-trained and Russian-paid fighters defended Abkhaz territory in Tkvarcheli
>On February 20 the Russian Defense Ministry sent an SU-25 fighter-bomber to bomb Sukhumi in retaliation. An American journalist who witnessed the attack, Thomas Goltz, noted in a 1993 Foreign Policy article that Russian defense minister Pavel Grachev, who first denied that any raid had taken place, next claimed that Georgia had bombed its own citizens
>The February 20 air attack on Sukhumi was followed by other raids on the town, although the Russian defense ministry consistently denied involvement, saying that the "Georgians are bombing themselves."132 By contrast, Shevardnadze was quoted as saying: "There is no other place [than Russia] where the planes could be coming from."133 To Human Rights Watch, the weight of the evidence strongly indicates that the air raids were carried out by Russian forces.
>This presumption becomes practically irrefutable upon examination of the March 19 air raid on Sukhumi, when Georgian forces succeeded in downing an SU-27 fighter-bomber. A U.N. military observer invited to inspect "both the downed aircraft and the dead pilot confirmed that it was the advanced aircraft the Georgians claimed it was and that the pilot's papers identified him as a major in the Russian air force."134
>The air attacks over Sukhumi were the most verifiable case of Russian forces aiding the Abkhaz. But there were other instances in which the evidence is persuasive that Russian forces were involved in logistics and supply at this point in the conflict. It is very likely, for example, that Russian forces supplied extensive military assistance to the Abkhaz fighters during sea-borne landings in attempts to retake Sukhumi.
>The evidence regarding the supply of heavy weapons and armored vehicles to the Abkhaz is more ambiguous. Heavy weapons and vehicles were ultimately available to the Abkhaz only from Russian sources.
>On 14 May, a short-lived ceasefire was signed. According to Georgian sources, on 2 July Russian navy ship landed up to 600 Russian Airborne Troops close to the village Tamishi, and engaged in a fierce battle with Georgian troops.[29][30] The battle was one of the bloodiest in the war, with several hundred killed and wounded on both sides. Despite initial setbacks, the Georgian forces managed to retake their positions
>It is doubtful, however, that Russian forces in or near Abkhazia were as surprised as the Russian government seemed to be. Initiating an offensive as large as the one undertaken, in three different directions at once, must have required extensive movement of forces and resupply during the days leading up to it. In addition, Abkhaz forces brought heavy artillery, supposedly moved back from the frontlines, to bear very quickly in the fighting, suggesting either that less of it was moved than indicated, or that careful transport plans had been established to bring the guns forward. As Porter and Saivetz observe, "Russian forces stationed on the border between Abkhazia and greater Georgia, whose ostensible role was to police the ceasefire, made no attempt to forestall the attack
https://www.hrw.org/legacy/reports/1995/Georgia2.htm#P117_4464
>Human Rights Watch concluded that the “sudden presence of ar-
mor, tanks, and heavy artillery among the previously lightly armed Abkhaz
in the fighting between October and December 1992 realistically leaves
little room for any conclusion except that some parties, within the Russian
forces, decided to supply the Abkhaz.”102 Russia escalated human rights
abuses by making “available weapons to groups or individuals known or
likely to use them to commit atrocities.”103 Russia’s provision of weapons to
the Abkhaz was in violation of international law. Furthermore, Russia inter-
vened in armed conflict within Georgia.
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&url=https://scholarlycommons.law.case.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi%3Farticle%3D1286%26context%3Djil&ved=2ahUKEwj2idiP1KDvAhVEUxoKHTDzAsgQFjAAegQIARAC&usg=AOvVaw3V2RES9MD14-5trXLIhKgV
>Once again, a Russian brokered agreement in 1993, the Agreement on a ceasefire in Abkhazia and On a Mechanism To Ensure Its Observance, allowed for a moratorium on the use of force, the withdrawal of conflicting parties from the warzone within fifteen days, establishing a Russian-Georgian-Abkhaz control group to monitor the ceasefire, the return of the Abkhazian parliament to Sukhumi, the placement of UN observers in the territory, and the resumption of talks to settle the dispute. In August of the same year UNOMIG was put in place as the UN monitoring force. The truce was violated on September 27 as Abkhaz forces seized Sukhumi and declared victory. The pro-Georgian forces then withdrew to Tbilisi, as Georgia joined the CIS and changed Russia's stance towards Georgia's on the matter
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sochi_agreement
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/War_in_Abkhazia_(1992%E2%80%931993
Russia attacked georgia
And plus 14th army didn't prevent anything they were just bunch of rapists with tanks nothing more .
If georgia and Moldova left the Soviet Union with the ussrs permission so should abkhazia ossetia and transnistria need their host governments permission
Not to mention abkhazians and ossetians did the same if not worse to georgians than chechns to russians . Same goes for transnistria . It's hypocrisy
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