Comments by "RexFx" (@RextheRebel) on "Hakim"
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This is something the Left needs to understand. The majority of the working class are conservative by nature. Supporting local farming, being in fraternities (aka unions and cooperatives, creating self sufficient communities where everyone works in trades or sells goods in the communal main street market... These are all conservative beliefs. And it's predicated on discipline, family, duty, honor, gender roles and restraint from indulgence.
Too many leftists today celebrate behaviors that go completely against the beliefs of the working class. The majority of liberals are white collar, tech gurus who have university degrees. The majority of the working class went to trade school, barely passed high school and work for their local store or their families farm. Those people are largely conservative. Conservatives are also more likely to own firearms, have the mental not to mention physical acumen for necessary violence and are steadfast in defending their land and country.
All great revolutions were led by patriotic movements for national sovereignty. Stalin spent a lot of time focused on what makes a nation and why it was important. We need to reread and remember why that was. The cosmopolitan Left which embraces internationalism will always neglect the differences of varying people's with varying circumstances and conditions.
If the Left cannot win over conservatives, they have no hope of ever winning at all. Conservatives build and maintain this nation, most nations in fact. They are the blue collar working man. They are the industrial and agricultural proletarians. Without them, even if the revolution succeeded, maintaining that new socialist nation would fail.
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Mortgage/rental assistance, Investment in building housing, limit ownership of residential property to two properties, revoking mandatory minimum parking laws, enforce wages to be tied to productivity by law, fight for labor unions, enforce immigration laws strictly, forbid foreign ownership of land, institute a land value tax, a single layer healthcare system, nationalize the pharmaceutical industry and; universal basic income. Oh an acquisition tax which minimizes merges and business acquisitions.
This is a society I wanna live in.
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@TheYolo20 I agree that the government should provide immigrants which have been accepted, language courses, history classes and the values prevalent in that particular country. But some can't assimilate. Their values and their their cultural/ethnic background simply won't allow it.
As for Capitalism benefiting from immigration, it's a key reason that immigration should be highly restricted. But even in socialist society, displacement, division, taking of jobs, lack of housing, etc with still be a problem. Immigrants have almost never been a net benefit to local populations throughout history. That's simply a fact.
People can visit and travel to other countries and experience other cultures. But long term? Stay put. We have settled our respective territories and they should not be infringed.
Also I vehemently disagree with your belief that a community cannot claim land for themselves and exclude others. I'm opposed to private ownership of land. Not communal. And no, I don't mean "Global community" as there is no such thing as a "global community" no matter how much internationalist idealists claim otherwise. I think telling people that they and their cultural history don't have a right to particular place/region of land is disgusting. To force yourself into them is colonialism, gentrification and displacement. Do so at your own risk.
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@user-tr9rw7ne8x I'm not an egalitarian. Equality is a myth and doesn't exist. We aren't the same. Not only are men and women not at all the same but men themselves aren't equal either. We have different strengths, weaknesses, values, worth, dedication, predilections and proficiencies. Not only that but I refuse to take anyone seriously who claims to be a socialist and fight for such an abstract notion like equality or freedom.
These are ideas. I don't care about ideas. I care about truths, material conditions and what is or isn't functional. That's all. Freedom is not only a lie, it doesn't exist. Freedom to do what? Freedom from what? What are we talking about here? Freedom to exploit? Freedom to be irresponsible? Freedom to turn our back on our family, our community, our work? We have obligations, duties and roles we must all fulfill. Some of us are gearheads, others are planners, some are caretakers, others are electricians. Some smarter than others. Some more willing than others. Some people are harder working than others. Some are more lazy and manipulative than others. When people have too much free time on their hands they do dumb shit.
We need purpose and meaning in life. Gender roles among other things like work and family supply that.
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Poverty and struggle dont make people sad. Humans throughout history lived in worse conditions and depression wasn't a major problem that we know of. Isolation, lack of family and friend connection, destruction of the family unit itself (whether nuclear or multigenerational), constantly comparison to others doing way better and living lives we wish to experience a fraction of... that's what leads to loneliness and depression.
I am a conservative. I always will be, likely always was. Conservative values like family, discipline, brotherhood, self sufficiency, gender roles and community are important to me and more importantly, necessary for society. All this said, the culture conservatives advocate for is destroyed far more by capitalist society and its individual focused viewpoint. Socialism in my mind is far better at maintaining and stabilizing families and communities. But the hedonism, the shamelessness, the lack of personal discipline and self restraint... it is because of rhese things socialism could never last long. That "red pill garbage" as you call it, is exactly what needs to become mainstream for socialism to thrive. Traditional gender roles are necessary for society to exist. Cultural and ethnic diversity/immigration is also a recipe for disaster and the destruction of society itself. Ppl can and should have their own nations, which are socialist preferably, but they need to remain there. Keep their sovereignty as we do the same. Many people can't coexist. Many others can coexist but can't share the same space for any extended period of time.
If you're a progressive (this goes for anyone) you're supporting a culture that benefits capitalism. If you're a conservative, you're supporting an economic system that doesn't care about your family values or self sufficiency. Logical consistency is not the same as ideological consistency.
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@user-tr9rw7ne8x relationships do require commitment and work, something which cannot be prioritized if we also prioritize the freedom of the individual. Relationships don't free the individual, they make like better and more functional for the pair and their offspring. The reason the individual is not as important as the family is because the individual doesn't exist at all without them. "society is not made up of individuals but the interrelations between them"- Karl Marx. Individuals obviously need to have their own individual identities but it's in connection to and in relation with their gender, their family, their work etc.
Gender roles are biologically influenced. Sure, some are pointless, some are socially constructed (which isn't inherently bad btw, we need social constructs for society to exist) but the majority if not so social constructs are at least somewhat rooted in biological science and evolutionary psychology. Relationships can only be realistically between a man and a woman because they can have kids and the point of a relationship is to bear children and raise them.
And I already explained why getting rid of gender roles hurts the family. It takes women out of the home, has them put off or completely forego having kids. It lowered wages for everyone because now the other 50% of the population was seeking work along with the other half. It makes men unattractive to women because they aren't economically viable partners, and the fact that women are attracted to masculinity. Men aren't attracted to masculine women either. We aren't supposed to compete for the same role. We have our own we are meant to fill.
Does everyone fall into it? No. But the exception does not make the rule. And there are several varying roles men and women and fulfill. Not all men are the same. But we all have common values and there are universal expectations that we all should live up to. If you dont want to meet those expectations, sell your house, your car and any other modern technology that comes from society, move into the forest and live like a primitivist. Cause that's the only place where you won't have to worry about society placing expectations on you.
Of course, the only reason we are questioning gender roles at all are because our society is so advanced and our lives so easy, that gender roles aren't as relevant as they once were when life was more difficult and we had to fit traditional roles or else perish.
People can have individual identities, but they should not put them before the family or community. And no, I'm objectively correct about monogamy being the most efficient and healthy form of relationship and has been practice worldwide for millennia. There's a reason homosexuality has not. And there is a reason men and women fit into particular roles no matter the civilization. They were even called hunter-gatherer societies for a reason. Men hunted, women gathered. Why? Because men and women are different, evolved to have different skills and traits. Gender is not real. Sex is. That's what matters. What you identify as means squat.
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@user-tr9rw7ne8x you need to look at this as a collaborative effort. There is no I in team. The individual only exists because of the family. Community only exists because of families. A community is literally a bunch of families who's children have married to strengthen regional bonds and ensure that groups of people look out for another. The sole purpose of marriage is to have kids. That's not a debate. Throughout history, if a woman could not produce children hs could divorce her or bring in another woman into the relationship, who would typically work for the wife as a servant. Not saying we should bring that system back, I'm merely acknowledging the historical practices. Social constructs are absolutely necessary. All customs, norms, traditions and expected behavior are simply constructs. You expect me to come to work everyday, sober and not allowing my private life to affect my productivity? That's a social construct. I don't want you to take my property, my wife, my home etc away from me, that's a construct. Women don't want to be harassed and expect men to engage with them in a particular way that benefits them. That's a social construct. We declare certain things to be illegal because of the harm it causes to others even if it does benefit the individual who commits it. Those are social constructs. Did you leave the house with clothes on? Congrats. Social construct. Did you get frustrated when a guy on the freeway cut you off? Probably because he was inconsiderate, aka he didn't fulfill an expected norm designed to keep people in line necessarily. It's not to preserve freedom, it's to ensure security.
We don't install freedom apps on our one to protect our data and information, we install security apps. We don't have a Department of Homeland Freedom, was have a Department of Homeland security. We don't purchase Freedom Systems to catch burglars entering our home. We purchase security systems. It's not called Social Freedom Benefits it's called Social Security Benefits. Freedom is a lie. What's important is to be functional, healthy and productive. To live a life and to champion a lifestyle that prioritizes the individual over all else leads to selfishness, a lack of commitment, the refusal to accept self sacrifice, greed, jealousy and aimlessness. We need to realize that we aren't the main characters in this story. We are the extra. Life doesn't revolve around us. We revolve around it. And IT only exists because of people coming together, having kids, raising them with discipline and respect then exposing them to get world with others who they will eventually work alongside, fight beside and marry to keep civilization alive. We value friends because we value closeness and secure bonds. We value closeness and secure bonds cuz we were raised in a healthy family setting. People raised in single parent households are much less likely to have healthy relationships later in life. They are more likely to do drugs, sleep around and distrust others.
Also, the reason poly relationships don't work is because people need to focus and devote as much time and attention towards one person and their children. Much like how a classroom looses it's effectiveness at teaching students when there are too many. Poly relationships are about sex, not procreating.
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@user-tr9rw7ne8x No. Agreeing to disagree is what weak people do who cant win an argument. I didn't contradict myself and people do not marry for love. Love isn't real. People who "love" one another stick together out of necessity and reliability. When the man isn't reliable enough anymore she leaves or steps out right? Its not love. People can appreciate one another and respect one another, desire the other persons company due to similar interests and values. But that is not love, its convenience. And that's ok. There is nothing wrong with that.
Polygamy, is no polyamory. And those men who had kids with a woman that wasn't barren, focused all their attention on the wife and the child, not the woman they brought into the home who did not become a second wife and had no legal protections like the wife did. The second the woman had his kid, she became the property of the wife. I never said that was necessarily good and i even stated that we should leave it in the past.
Not all ideas are created equal. But all ideas should be allowed to be spoken. Not necessarily practiced. Your attempted rebuking of the driving issue is actually embarrassing. Who cares why he cut you off? He did a reckless, dangerous thing that is against the socially constructed norms surrounding driving etiquette. It doesn't mean the government inherently has to enforce the cultural values of the community but it's best that the government, aka the will of the people, enforce the will that the people of that community have. Dont like it? Move to another community or attempt to convive the members of your own to change their position. Unsuccessful at altering the public's position? Too bad, so sad. Move on.
Thomas Pain explained it well. The more perfect society is, the less it needs regulation from authority and government, and the more perfect society becomes is because of its ability to self regulate. But when a societies affairs have broken down to a point where men cannot be relied on to supply to civilization their talents and competencies, a stronger hand must take shape to guide chaos back into order.
"When men, as well from natural instinct as from reciprocal benefits, have habituated themselves to social and civilized life, there is always enough of its principles in practice to carry them through any changes they may find necessary or convenient to make in their government. In short, man is so naturally a creature of society that it is almost impossible to put him out of it
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