Comments by "Arthur Mosel" (@arthurmosel808) on "Reginald Clay: Man killed by Chicago police had valid firearms FOID card, his father says" video.

A FOID Card is not a Conealed Carry Card. So, it doesn't matter if he had a FOID Card, being outside with the firearm is a violation of law. He ran, so he knew that he had committed a crime. As to the funeral, was it a gang related funeral?😊
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@theREALhunterScheel Oh, perhaps you can list how many are really shot, not just make a statement. Shooting people left and right must mean hundreds at least; strange no one actually can produce those numbers.
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A FOID Card doesn't give you the right to conceal carry. To do that, you need an additional endorsement on you FOID. To get that, 16 hours of training (Honorable DD214 cuts 4 hours off that, and a concealed carry card from another state may cut more); your figure prints are submitted for a National Background Check; approval from the local police department (can be denied if there are concerned over alcohol related issues or gang ties). Oh, I forgot you have to pay for the application and all the other required items. If it is denied you lose the money. This man knew that he violated the law by carrying, that is why he ran. He probably would have had the FOID revoked if he was caught carrying.
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You shouldn't make the comment now. You have no proof for your allegation. By the way if he turned his body to point the gun the bullets still could hit his back.
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@theREALhunterScheel No Concealed Carry Card, a FOID does not permit you to carry outside your home unless you are traveling to limited places. Even then, it should be carried unless in a case and unloaded. You don't seem to know the law.
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@BlackFreemen While I may agree with the idea that it is unconstitutional based on recent US Supreme Court rulings it is still the law. We have to comply until it is gone no matter what we believe or think.
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You have just assumed facts not 8n evidence. You can get a FOID Card with a limited juvi record, but gang affiliation or involvement prevents you from getting Concealed Carry. We don't know if he had a juvi record or gang affiliation. I asked elsewhere if this was a gang funeral that he was out to see.
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@bigredd690 I do live in Illinois, and I have both FOID and concealed carry. You miss my point, we don't know his record and we don't know if he had gang affiliation. When you say that he had a clean record, you make an assumption. By the way a juvi record may be expunged, and while law enforcement can use that to deny concealed carry; it isn't an absolute bar. I would agree in Chicage and C(r)ook County, at least, no concealed carry would be approved. You can't make an absolute statement that charges would be reduced. Again, in Chicago with Kim Foxx anything is possible, so you could be right but the Illinois government might have something to say about the card.
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By the way, for Concealed Carry it is a National Background Check including fingerprints. Fingerprints are not require (encouraged though). There could have been a change since one work place shooting a couple of years ago involved a man whose Illinois records were clear, but had a criminal record in another state which would have prevented him from 9btaining a FOID Card. He also lied on the Federal Form when he bought the weapon, thereby actually making the purchase illegal and possible charges for a false official document (possible doesn't mean he would be charged).
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The man knew that he violated the law, a FOID Card doesn't give you the right to carry; so he ran. As to pointing a gun at the police, we will see when the body cam footage comes out.
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Allegedly shot in the back.
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@BlackFreemen I believe you are too optimistic. Don't bet against appeals to prolong this in the hope of getting control of the court. The same applies to the weapons ban (Safer Communities Act). Time to be looking for a new state, and looking at whether Gov. Pritzker can be civilly sued for his knowing violation of both the Illinois and US Constitutions. He could not be covered by his position when he unlawfully acted by signing it.
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@merkcityboy834 I prefer more than what I see. What I see right now may not be absolute fact. Given there was to be a funeral procession of some sort that was related to a gang shooting it raises the question.
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@BlackFreemen Besides the law suits on the Constitutionality, i sincerely believe a class action lawsuit for violation of Illinois citizens rights under both the Illinois and Federal Constitutions is in order against Mr. Pritzker (as a private individual rather than governor since he knowingly signed an illegal act ). A cl a second action lawsuit against him personally would require him to pay for the defense and judgements, consider what it could cost if all Illinois citizens got a share, the man might actually not be as rich anymore. Lets say 10 grand per resident or even if only gun owners it would put a dent in his wealth and probably end him politically.
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It also does give you a right to carry it concealed on the street.
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@nathanielaustin1420 Behind the times, by my last count 26 States. I have no gripe with Consitutional Carry; however it is a complex issue. By the way, I have a FOID Card endorsed for a concealed carry (them did away with separate cards).
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@nathanielaustin1420 Would you please rephrase that.
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@nathanielaustin1420 You are right, "them" should be "they".
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@nathanielaustin1420 We agree on one point, a number of foolish (and sometimes dangerous people obtain firearms legally or illegally), and it is hard to prevent it. People willing to break the law by carrying when the shouldn't; should lose the right to carry. As to God, he made it clear that we have free will. It is up to us to make the right decisions. His protection applies to our souls, if we chose well) not our bodies.
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Remember a juvi record may not stop you from getting a FOID Card but will stop you from getting a Concealed Card endorsement. Too much about this man is unknown.
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