Comments by "Arthur Mosel" (@arthurmosel808) on "The Twelve Years a Slave hoax revisited" video.
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@alibali1968 I agree slavery was a dirty, nasty business when viewed by modern standards; however, that makes as much sense as viewing all other cultures outside of our own as being bad or good by comparison. Would I desire to own a slave, H--L No! Do I condemn someone over160 years ago owning one, I can't say. During the PRC one child policy female infants were murdered, I considered that wrong; however in the PRC it was allowable. So two different systems of belief. As mentioned. "Uncle Tom's Cabin" was written by a White woman who never even visited the South and gained information from people who were more than willing to tell horror stories; true or not. "Roots" was acknowledged in a court of law to be a work of fiction; where the author plagiarized material from mmultiple sources to create a myth for his own people; so, no more a valid description of slavery than "Gon With the Wind". More recently an article in the Chicago Tribune related the South African governments efforts to locate Madela's AK-47 that buried before his arrest,; however, he was sold to the world as a political prisoner, not an armed terrorist. So, with my meandering over, the point is that reality is often simplified and viewed through today's lens; not the objective truth.
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@alibali1968 Victimhood is a poor excuse. Almost every ethic group has faced some degree of discrimination; and most worked through it in one or two generations. The original Jim Crow laws were based on a Minnesota law that was probably aimed at Scandinavian settlers who neither spoke nor read English. The Knownothing Party of the early 1800s was heavily aimed at Irish immigrants and in East Coast cities signs often read Irish and Blacks (probably a more offensive term was most common) need not apply were common. Irish were given menial and often dirty work, sound familiar. Germans were called Dutch and considered stupid (during WW 1, Germans were lynched if they spoke German. The Chinese and Japanese immigrants had it worse.
Poverty is not a very good excuse either. My great grandfather came to this country as a child; married and died young. He left six sons and two daughters and a wife who never learned any English. The house was heated with coal scrounged from alone the rail road. Only the very youngest brother received college because of the older brothers. They started their own Iron works and all but one brother worked there (not much work during the depression). One brother became a supervisor for the electric company. Both sisters married and one's husband worked in the Iron works, while the other worked as a supervisor at another company. During the Depression, my grandfather and father (finished only 6th Grade) sold apples on the street to help make ends meet. My father finished a four years apprentice program and later a GED and was the outside foreman for the family company and later another one. Again my point is no one helped them and none turned to crime or abandoned the family. Poverty isn't a reason to fail, your response to it determines who fails.
When my wife and I married, there were 17 states that had missagenatiopn law (despite the Supreme Court having ruled them unconstitutional a year earlier). She was an Asian foreign student in Mississippi, and we were denied a license there, and the Federal authorities recommended getting married in another state (so much for equal treatment,six months later they got a different couple where the ethnicities were different a through the courts in six weeks). Later a major commander heard a nun cover issues with marriages between Americans and women from a specific country; and thought it was great. He had the nun modify the presentation and give it throughout the command. As result, the IG had to go to every base to calm things down; because the only change she made was dropping the country name and inserting Asian which than made the presentation offense to almost everyone including female Ametican officers. When several of us mentioned this at a wing staff meeting, the base EOT officer said programs against racism only applied to Blacks (he won the command EOT Officer of the Year Award that year). It resembles the line from "Animal Farm" where a sign was changed from all animals are equal to some animals are more equal. This kind of selective response to the same problem doesn't help anyone. More specifically, unequal treatment of criminality by schools and civilian courts leads to apparent disproportionate punishments. In one school that I taught at later, a Black and a White student got into a fight, the Black student was the aggressor. The White student was suspended (no previous disciplinary problems) and the Black student (who had a disciplinary record) was in class the next day. What was the lesson each learned? Another student a Black young woman had a disciplinary record all four years. I went to the dean about why nothing was being done. He told me that she had promise and he wanted to protect a future leader. She graduated, and two weeks later she was beaten to death by another young Black woman in a different gang. Yes, he protected her from making changes that might have actually allowed her to become a leader. The same applies to the legal system where too often an offender gets off time after time because of some perceived inequity until they do something and they are punished harshly. An example a few years ago in Florida, 13 year old shot and killed a foreign visitor in a car jacking. It was his 65th arrest for motor vehicle theft. Obviously no earlier lesson was taught other than I can steal without consequence.
I know that much of the points that I am making with these stories won't agree with your position, but think about them objectively. I suspect that you are much younger than I and have seen a lot less. I have lived in several countries and seen alot of different situations over the years as well as having read a great deal, and I suspect that you will find your views changing as experience grows.
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@alibali1968 For another time, I will tell you that that name and source were in old notes that I had taken while looking for other information. These are now packed away, and it was from a time when data that I found interesting but not relative to my primary research was stored poorly. As to the stories that I mentioned, most are ones in which I was involved or had direct knowledge. The only one that I didn't have direct. Knowledge of was the 13 year old car jacker who murdered the zbritish tourist; and that made national news. As far as assuming something about your age and experience, I have found most people posting are considerably younger. I have served in the military for years, including as a squadron section commander (responsible for discipline) and have seen the affects of uneven or lax enforcement of rules based on favoritism or undeserved sympathy; in one unit I was brought in to fix that issue and was had to discharge around 10% of that unit's strength over a year. The shame is that most of those weren't bad people, just people who began thinking the rules didn't have to be followed because nothing would be done. At the end of the year, if a person had a problem, they came for help be fore acting out and they knew driving drunk, fighting, leaving work would be acted on; and so didn't do it. By the way the majority of those discharged were White; learning bad habits isn't limited to any one ethnic group. I have taught high school as well, and seen what happens when rules are bent for some and not others. People ended up hurt or punished who shouldn't have been. So, I don't have a great deal of respect for the liberal mind set that has created the gang h--ls I. Our major cities. An example was Ms. Foxx here in Chicago who fairly recently refused to prosecute any one involved in a shootout between two gangs because it was a mutual combat. Teenagers with pistols(illegally possessed and carried under Illinois and Federal law) shooting wildly and endangering others while harming each other; but whose conduct was ignored. A more unfortunate incident shortly after President Obama's second inauguration was the murder of an innocent young Black woman, shoot by mistake. The shooter roughly six months before (16 at the time) was caught breaking and enteringa facility while carrying a pistol. The charges were plea bargained down to trespass and the firearms charge dropped despite a lengthy record of gang crimes. He was placed on probation, which he violated but wasn't rearrested, before he got another pistol and went out to retaliate against another gang for a shooting. He mistook this young woman and her friends for that other gang since they were in that gang's territory, and opened fire killing her and injuring others. He was 17 now and was charged as an adult. So, a young woman doing well in school with a clean history was murdered by a gang banger who was given repeated slaps on the wrist for crimes, and a probation system that took no action when he violated his probation.
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@alibali1968 Sorry, but Government funded research to support a previously established position is a fairly common problem. Many years ago, the professor who was teaching statistical analysis in a Psychometric Measurement class, that I took, used several government reports to show how to misuse statistics and bias analysis. That final test of a two semester test was the hardest that I ever took. We had taken two semesters to write the questions that he used, and each section got the others questions. The point is that I could still write a bad survey to get results that I wanted to provide data to provide the analysis and position that I wanted. The difference is that doing so is both bad science and unethical; just as ignoring data that disproves a point is a common failing among scientists who let politics and grants get in the way of actual research. Did the papers you mentioned do that? I can't say since I didn't review them or their data; however, I basically distrust any paper that doesn't show all the data that went into it. As to my two examples, I actually used four between my posts. I could have easily found more. Just check out assaults recently in New York and other cities where people with 10s of arrests are caught from hours to a few days committing the same offense (sometimes with fatal results); not all of these people were Black the common thread was minimal punishment. To no punishment and often release within a day of the previous arrest. Saying no bail is law refuses to accept the mind set of those who passed the law, or prosecutors who refuse to charge "minor crimes" until the person does something that can't be ignored. Two example are Ms. Foxx in Chicago, Ms Mosby (sp?) In Baltimore. You can find other, including several on the West Coast. These aren't cherry picked examples, they are major issues as businesses close and cities, I some cases begin to fail, for example Seattle, Portland and San Francisco. In New York, the DA and mayor have stated opposing views with the DA unwilling to charge in many cases. These aren't isolated events but ungoing issues.
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@alibali1968 I can do you one better, throughout 2020 White liberals and Blacks rooted, burned down buildings, attacked government buildings, looted and attacked police and civilians. How many were jailed. On 6 January 2021, nothing was burned, nothing was looted, there was little violence by the supposed rioters as is shown on the few videos released so far. Many of these people are still imprisoned and the vast majority have either been uncharged or charged with misdemeanors after being held for longer than the sentences for the conduct. Many have been held in solitary confinement, and the prison warden for one charged for violating court orders for documents. I think that clearly shows uneven treatment; because if going into the Capitol was a crime or insurrection trying to burn Federal ans state buildings (at least in one case after trying to block the exits while people were inside is definitely a violent insurrection.
Without saying anything about his death, George Floyd could be used as an example. A career criminal and drug abuser who was awaiting trial for a armed home invasion. If he had been jailed and an honest attempt at treatment provided, would he have died? We can discuss other cases where the dead man should have already been in jail but was out and involved in further questionable activities. Why no research, because it coesn't fit the prevailing Government narrative. My position is early legitimate enforcement of rules and laws supported by the community would prevent having to take drastic action or tragic events later; that was the point of talking about the unit that I had to takeover. It was too late to correct behavior, no one would listen if I tried to help someone that first year. I was only able to do more once the worst offenders were dealt with, even if many of them probably could have served out their enlistment had they learned early enough that military laws and rules had to be followed, and that took a year of being very hard nosed about them. By the end of the year, when I went to bat for someone, I was listened to. Learning as a child that society has rules and laws and that they will be enforced while the punishments are minor allows the child is young can prevent worse behavior later. Maslow (if I remember correctly) once said something to the effect ofgive me a child early enough and I can make him/her genius or a criminal. I believe that he was correct. Teaching a child to make good choices is what this society has forgotten.
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