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Lots of Dave Ramsey fans here, so wanted to address a common refrain re: Dave's stance on mortgages. Many have pointed out that Dave teaches it's okay to get a mortgage if it's a 15-year fixed with 20% down. We knew this going into writing this episode, and wanted to provide some context.
On Daveramsey.com, it reads, "If you’ve been following Dave for long, you know his favorite way to buy a home is the 100%-down plan—paying cash up front, no mortgage needed." We took this at face value, and that Dave's best and preferred way to buy a home is without debt -- hence why his critics take issue with it. https://www.daveramsey.com/blog/3-steps-to-pay-cash-for-home
While it's true that Dave repeatedly advises people that can't pay cash for a home (virtually everyone) to get a mortgage, this is contradictory to his overall message of living 100% debt free. It comes across to many as confusing, essentially "You should buy a house with cash, all debt is bad. But if you HAVE to use a mortgage, then get a 15-year fixed with 20% down, and do it with the one debt company that advertises on our show".
Critics of Dave have pointed out that paying for a house in cash is unrealistic for most. What we didn't have time to point out in the video is that feeling shame or guilt about compromising in getting a mortgage also isn't helpful. And for many people in most cities, 20% down on a 15-year mortgage (while keeping housing costs under 25% of your income) really isn't within reach either. Our point was simply to present popular critiques of Dave's anti-debt stance
As always, thanks for your Two Cents, guys!
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While this was in not a video exploring the gender-pay-gap (real or mythical), our citation of this statistic has attracted so much attention we felt compelled to address it.
A Payscale.com study surveying 1.8 million people over 2 years found that women, on average, earn 79% of what men do when not controlling for any factors. https://www.payscale.com/data/gender-pay-gap. The study also found that even when every factor was controlled (industry, age, experience, education, etc.), women still earned 98% of what men did for identical roles and backgrounds.
Payscale: "Why is the uncontrolled wage gap so large? It’s because women are less likely to hold higher-level, high-paying jobs compared to men. Women also tend to move up the career ladder at a slower pace than men. We call this phenomenon the opportunity gap."
In our video we don't attempt to explore WHY the wage-gap exists (spoiler alert: it's complicated), but rather to highlight that women earn significantly less over a lifetime and that has big ramifications. They pay less into social security, and have less to invest, for example. It may also be related to why women demonstrate lower confidence about finances than men, but we don't know that for certain.
We genuinely hope our message didn't come across as "down-on-men" or that sexism is the sole cause of challenges women face. Again, it's complicated. Instead, we wanted to address societal challenges women face when it comes to personal finance (e.g. making less money on average), and celebrate the amazing hidden-super-powers that women bring to the table that can help them win with money.
Thanks for joining us and for all the support!
-- Two Cents Creative Team
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Glad you joined the conversation Scott! I agree with many of your observations here. I agree that debt is a tool to be used or misused. I also agree that this video is not a high level analysis but rather an introduction to depreciation and financial literacy.
However, we definitely considered each of your 3 points in making this short video and didn't omit them by oversight. Here's my brief response to your main points:
1. You're describing leverage here. 1.9% interest on a speculative 7% short term gain in the stock market. This past month (Oct 2018) has shown you that a rapid negative return is just as possible, and then you'd be negative with your ROI by an additional 1.9%, not ahead. Further, research strongly suggests that we tend to spend more on purchases if we can finance them over time. As one Carnegie Melon researcher said "Your brain is anesthetized against the pain of spending" (episode coming on this shortly!). So for many folks, that means a bigger car purchase. I've seen this play out with hundreds of my clients over the years. They buy too much car because the monthly payment and interest seems harmless.
2. A home will increase in value given enough time. A car will decrease in value. Very different.
3. I largely agree with you here. Monthly payments are not the biggest factor, for sure -- I feel the actual full purchase price of the car is. However, in our "run the numbers" segment we used monthly payments as a metric because it was easier to compare the monthly savings. As we said, we feel saving up in advance is preferable to financing, so our ideal would be no payment at all. Instead save up a monthly "payment" each month to purchase your next car in cash. When you get a 1-2% savings return on a cash account (or more on a CD/bond investment), you're better off than financing, with no real investment risk!
Thanks for your thoughtful analysis and joining the conversation. Hope to see you for future episodes! -- Philip 👨🏻
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As the writer of this episode, a CFP, and someone with Life & Health Insurance licenses for 7 years, I've definitely done the research on this topic. We make mistakes in creating this show sometimes, but we certainly did the research.
But to address your objection -- WL and UL both have cash value, so there is that similarity. But WL pays dividends determined by the insurer (as we said), UL has a market-pegged interest rate (or minimum). We never mentioned market-based interest rates. Further, UL, normally has LOW premiums, unlike WL (we showed a high WL premium based on national averages, per Consumer Reports). Take a look and see if this really sounds like what we discussed in this episode: https://www.investopedia.com/terms/u/universallife.asp
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