Comments by "Tespri" (@Tespri) on "Ken Burns and Lynn Novick: The Vietnam War Is the Key to Understanding America" video.

Technically they didn't even pull out. Vietnam war ended up in peace treaty. After it America pulled out and North Vietnamese did attack south. But this time america didn't help them. It teaches us a lesson. Never trust a socialist or communists. Their words never hold true.
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+Zebarbas I know several Vietnamese and they all state that vietnam is a bad place to live. They have been privatizing lately so things are slightly better than before, but it's still a terrible place.
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+iamchillydogg Compared to getting invaded and not replacing some equipment... Common SOCIALIST have never kept their promises.
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+Brianbact USA did bomb in Korean war as well. Result? South-Korea flourishing and North-Korea being bad place to live eternity. Vietnam is terrible place, highly corrupted cops who steal your money. Even more racists than USA. In fact about 100 times more racists. You're simply middle-class white man. Of course they are going to treat you well there. Try to be black man and live in there. Let's see how you're treated then. Also modern? Middle-class man goes to cheap country where his money is more worth than year's salary for those people. Goes to expensive hotels and neighborhoods and thinks that whole country is modern and paradise.... You haven't seen the shit that their poor people go through.
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+I hate Mondays War was not raging, and USA + south coalition were winning.
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+Federalreseve brown USA won every encounter they had in vietnam war. They even had less men lost and controlled good amount of territory. In fact it was calculated that they would've won within a year if they stayed there. But they were forced to pull off due public pressure. Vietnam war ended up in peace treaty betwen USA, South-vietnam and north vietnam. North vietnam broke the treaty after USA had already pulled it's troops off. Lessons to be learned? Old lessons that finnish people have known for centuries. Never trust a socialist/communists.
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+Bruce Morgen All war historians and generals. The last push that communists made was a last ditch effort. They had already ran out of resources and manpower. It's the people with two digit IQ that thinks that USA was losing that war. Literally all statistics and information points out the opposite. Since you love communism so much, you might as well move to north-korea.
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+Bruce Morgen " they had constant resupply of resources via China and the USSR." Not really, and they were running out from manpower. Plus low morale. The fact that you think that any group could hold indefinitely speaks out about how biased you are. No force on earth could hold indefinitely. "The story of Vietnam is that the U.S. won most of the battles but lost the war" Neither won the war. It ended up in peace treaty which north vietnam broke. "and that the war was basically lost the moment the U.S. got involved" Oh like korean war... Oh wait... South-Korea being free and flourishing right now while communistic north korea is poor. Difference between korean and vietnam war? USA stayed. " because the enemy was fighting for independence" No they weren't. If they wanted independecy they would've stayed in north instead of forcing south to be part of them. They were communists. Communists never fight for independence, they steal, rape and pillage. "who wants to die for a succession of corrupt wannabe dictators?" anyone who doesn't want to live under corrupted communist dictators and suffer from starvation thanks to it. "Americans were fighting against a political abstraction called "international Communism" that turned out be insufficient motivation to keep going through hell day and after day." Clearly was enough motivation to win korean war and secure freedom and independece of southern korea. "Watch the documentary" You do realize that most documentaries are propaganda videos? Made by people who aren't even historians.
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+Bruce Morgen Only communists and socialist think that north vietnam had a chance. No objective historian or general agrees with them. "You're too dishonest to bother with" Says guy who ignores facts. "e.g. you quoted me as stating "the were fighting for indepence" while leaving out the rest of the sentence, which included "and reunification." " Why does that matter? As if reunification is somehow just cause? No... They didn't fight for independence if they had they wouldn't be aggressors. They fought for their selfish desire to steal from others and subject other people to terribly condition. One doesn't fight for independence and reunification same time. It's no longer fight for independence when you're seeking to conquest other people. "." You could call the North Vietnamese government "dictators" -- it was more accurately a dictatorship by committee " This turns their tyrannical rule any better? " but they were not corrupt and self-serving like Diem, Ki Thieu & Co. " You're right, they were more corrupt and self-serving. Level of corruption was all time high during communist vietnam. I actually know several of vietnamese who confirms that even today cops steal money from the poor and there is no justice what so ever. "They were dedicated nationalist/communist ideologues that were all about their cause, not money." That is what politicians always say about themselves. In truth it's all about money and power. "Vietnam was essentially a guerilla insurgency" And? This doesn't make them invincible. "regular NVA troops highly skilled in ambush tactics" Yet they lost every encounter. Clearly their strategy and tactics didn't pay out. "U.S. military has never been good at winning, e.g. most recently in Afghanistan. " They have won all the wars, and again vietnam war was not lost. It ended up peace treaty where both north and south vietnam were suppose to exist. Also what makes you think that USA wants to win "afganistan" you do realize that their existence there is to simply destabilize middle-east? " reiterate, the war was unwinnable from the getgo, period" Yet white finnish people did defeat the communists in their civil war. Clearly "infinite resources" from soviets didn't help commies. "the sad thing is, many if not most of the American politicians behind it knew that early on and continually lied to save face and keep it going, which cost tens of thousands of American lives." Sadly the opposite. Had USA stayed there to secure south-vietnam. South-vietnam would be like south-korea now. Flourishing and rich country. War wasn't about conquesting vietnam. It was about to secure independece of south vietnam from the communist menance that wanted to kill and rape all the south vietnamese.
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+Bruce Morgen Only one who is delusional is you when you think that socialism and communism is a good thing. Also I never said that America is invincible and righteous, you are literally reflecting your self on me in here. Because those were the things you stated about north-vietnam. The same people who slaughtered innocent south vietnamese after USA decided to not to intervene anymore. Story of north and south korea proves that USA was right to help. But commies like you never understand. Because that is what you want. To see death and destruction.
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+Bruce Morgen Anything positive? Oh beside calling out that system before socialism was even more corrupt and dangerous than communist regime? Or how you were saying that they were just innocent freedom fighters? I call you commie because it's plain obvious that you're far left. You have been defending and glorification one of the most brutal regimes in human history. " unwinnable war when I live through one." Expect it wasn't. Just like Korean war wasn't. Or finnish civil war wasn't. Only a total fool like yourself views it as unwinnable. Beside... You clearly missed out the larger point of vietnam war. IT was to exhaust communist regimes of their resources since they had to back up north vietnamese. That was literally america's plan. Communists lost the long game run and soviets died out. America's actions did speed this process since communists and socialist aren't capable to run their economies. Therefore they couldn't sustain the military spending like USA could.
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+Bruce Morgen Talking about your statements of vietnam and how their army is "invincible" and how glorious and just their cause was. Facts are stacked against you. North vietnam was losing in every front expect in political propaganda which caused USA's army to withdraw due hippies rioting too much. Same hippies who were communists and wanted to see communism rise all over the globe. Same hippies who's children are these crazy schizophrenic kids dressed in full blacks and assaulting people today.
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