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@PeterBondeVillain You can't be marxian economist without believing of committing genocide. Only case you would be like that, is if you fail to understand marxism. It's equality by blood. Killing everything that is somewhat different from you. Kill everyone who is slightly more talented than you are, so that the next generation of sheeps will all be equal with talent and skill. IT's about to create ant colony.
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@blueeyed5074 He literally lived his whole life as parasite who did nothing but advocate for violent revolution against the class that fed him (Engels was actually part of capitalist class). He didn't even understand the economic system of his time. No wonder that Beta males love him. Marx is example of them, loser having excuses for his idiotic life decisions and then proceeds to blame those who were far more talented than him.
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@btf Again some kid from middle-class pretending to be part of labor class. "our rights as labourers who do all the toiling in the first place you dumb shit." literally no one forces you to work. Especially here in the western world where every country provides some form of social security. "capitalists do minimal work" Actually that is false. There is reason why most people who try to make their own business ends up failing. It takes lot of talent and hard work. Do you even comprehend how hard it's to make own business? Forming business plans, idea good enough to sell, finding investors, being a good manager, ability to read people, constant high pressuring stress since you're competing among the best people on the planet, constantly have to innovate new stuff etc.. It just keeps going. In all honestly, person needs to be work addict in order to be capitalist, and most of them are. "why they're capitalists and not workers you ludicrous mongrel fuck" They are capitalists because they are more talented and intelligent than you are. You lack ability to achieve same as they would. Yet you're foolish enough that company which would be run by people like you would somehow succeed. You're not even mediocre... You're less than that. "ludicrous mongrel fuck. eat shit you boot licking pissant, i don't have time for your nonsense, you worthless slob of a human being" Rofl... So many insults. You're proving my point in here. You guys are nothing but no talent psychopaths who are angry at those who have talent.
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@sparkz9502 Nope, if you actually read marx and Engel's work they are literally talking about centralized government which is lead by proletariat. The idea was that they are majority and will persecute and murder those who are not proletarians. It was suppose to last so long until everyone becomes exactly the same. Sheeps with no minds. "Marxism does call for the abolition of private property, but you clearly have no clue what he was talking about when he said private property." They speak about all property. Not just means of production. Marx called factories as means of production not as private property. "What is NOT private property is things like your house, your car, and your television. That is defined as personal property. Marxists are not going to take your toothbrush." Really now? So what makes those yours? You didn't make them. On what grounds they are yours and not community as whole? Who gives them to you? "And Marx defending genocide? " Manifesto itself was talking about violent revolution and how all people who disagrees with them should be killed.
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@יואביאייל "he is not talking about literal dictatorship, but on a society in which the working class dictates what happens." How many times did your mother drop you as a baby? You do realize that is exactly what dictatorship means.´It's one class dictatorship which goal is to kill and persecute everyone who is not the same, until everyone will be the same so that there is no need for state to exists anymore. Every single marxist on this planet is outright psychopath. "Also, marxian economics diffrentiate between private property and personal property." Practically no difference. "Personal propety are the things that we all own in order to use- like our house, car, toothbrushes, and more." Are you saying you can't use printer because it's mean of production? Are you saying you cannot own a machine that produces something? You do realize that with car you can produce services? Of course not... Marxists are idiots when it comes to understanding even their own concepts. For fuck sake marx did even define houses as private property. Which already contradicts your claim. Everything is public, and even if it isn't then it's mere semantics. Your system would still suck. " Private property ob the other hand is the means of production, when owned privately. " Again, pure non sense. They wouldn't use both of those words if they meant THE SAME THING! He even talked about abolishing families. You're following some random parasites words as if it's some sort of holy book. Parasite who literally did nothing to his fellow man during his life. Instead took advantage of people around him and abused them. You're idolizing wife beater who got his kids killed out of his own laziness.
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@btf "who knows where you got genocide from," From reference of what OP said. Also you're psycho for wanting to abolish private property and wanting to create totalitarian society which you just mentioned. Because all of that demands usage of force on those who do not wish to comply. Oh wait... I'm not dealing with actual honest commies right now. I'm dealing with idiots who don't even understand their belief system. I apoligize for mixing you up with real communists, instead of the useful idiots that you are :). PS: All of you middle-class champagne socialists would be killed in the system that you propose. History books have proven it countless times already.
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@btf Yes... Typical communist, manipulates language in order to make himself look good. Yet anyone with brain can see through it. Hands of a capitalists? It's property that they have worked for and earned it. What rights do you have to own it? They used their talent, time and resource to build up their own means of productions. Yet you claim that you have right to steal it from them. Profiteering? Why is it bad to gain profit from your investments? At expense of the working class? They aren't profiting with expense of anyone. This is pure misunderstanding by idiots who don't understand basics of economics. In modern day one can be rich without someone being poor. This is the very reason why extreme poverty has decline to almost non-existent while middle-class has become even bigger than ever before. You're ill for wanting to kill people who don't want to lose the stuff that they have worked their whole life to gain. Also you're not part of working class. Modern working class people would beat living shit out of you in a bar/street. They don't tolerate communists at all.
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@RobinEvans1234 Rofl... It's commies like you who ignore the reality. It's historical fact that every socialist and communist regime on this planet has committed mass murders in large scales, even after the civil war they advocated for. It's a fact that every regime has been economic disaster. It's a fact that every regime was totalitarian. Empirical evidence is against you. Communist and socialists are flat earth creationists of the political sciences. However I'm happy to see that your little cult is dying world wide. No sane person wants to be part of it.
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@baldmansopinion2007 That healthcare is pure crap anyway. If you have a flu or something, yeah then it's nice. Have an actually deadly disease? You're more likely to die in the waiting line before you actually even get diagnosed with that disease.
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Marxism is religion based on stupidity and ignorance.
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@btf If you need someone to tell you what is bad in genocide... Then you're already beyond redemption. You're prime example of what I were talking just before. Marxist are nothing but psychopaths.
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@mikeh5399 That's because either you're lying or too stupid to comprehend what he was talking about. He wasn't just talking about abolishing private property he was also talking about persecuting and violently killing anyone who wishes to have them. "Abolishing private property simply means that objects that makes companies profit (factories and stuff) would become directly owned by the workers rather than their bosses." No it doesn't. co-operatives are still private property. Abolishing private property means that you turn the company into public sector instead of private one. If you had any clue over business you would understand that many companies are owned by multiple different people, and the "boss" is generally just someone acting on their behalf. Even in company directly owned by their workers, they would still seek profit.
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@sparkz9502 You say that I'm wrong, but you're incapable to demonstrate that I'm wrong. It tells a lot about you lack of intellectual capabilities. "The fact you cite the Manifesto is even more telling, as his actual detailed theories both social and economic are detailed in Das Kapital." Clearly you're too stupid to understand what manifesto is. "The Manifesto is nothing but an introduction " Yep I were right. You're literally so stupid that you don't even understand what word manifesto means.
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@RobinEvans1234 "terror" made by counter revolutionaries have been defensive and stops after war has been won. Terror done by revolutionaries was started by them and continues after the war. These acts are not comparable. Other one is done by defender and other one by aggressor. Defender doing out of revenge, aggressor out of malice. Violence done in name of politics is terrorism by very definition. Marx was terrorist, no amount of excuses saves him from that. Not only a terrorist, but also a wife beater and got his kids killed by being too lazy. A pathetic man who lived his whole life as a parasite and writing books where he tries to justify his laziness and lack of talent.
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@RobinEvans1234 It wasn't bloodless especially the aftermath. Most your comment is pointless. Like talking about capitalist powers and how many states etc.. You're speaking like a propagandist. " You ignore that fact that the populations of the Soviet bloc were mostly illiterate and in a state of constant malnutrition with famines being frequent before the revolution" you also ignore that Russia was in long war and ended up losing it. Hence they literally had no resources to feed or educate everyone. Especially since it was not industrialized yet. "This ended after collectivization" It ended because of peaceful times which came after the war and industrialization of the system. However it's undeniable fact that famines happened in soviet countries after these changes. One of the most famous one is when they committed genocide on Ukrainians. Your second comment can be compared to nazies denying holocaust. You're making ad hominem attack instead of taking into account multiple different accounts witnessing the massacres that soviets caused. My family did witness it and I know multiple people who saw whole villages being slaughtered. Stalin himself was pretty proud of these acts and every communist regime in history of this planet has done the same. That is because communism and socialism by their nature are violent. They want to use force to subjugate whole world under their idiotic cult.
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@NickWolfOakland Lol talking about "emotional appeal" when your previos comment was "I dont think you're going to eventually find common ground with a guy who recently liked a video about IQ and race realism.". Edit: Also tells lot about you when you spend time on checking out what someone likes on youtube. Stalker? Trying to find another ad hominem? Whole idea of marxism is based on emotional appeal. I had refuted these already in field of logic so appealing to emotions after it is the only way to persuade them. Unless they are actually psychos. "instead of utilizing the source material (Marx's texts) as proof of your counterpoints." I literally did provide marx text as my counter point. I even asked them do they need citation. "Get your media from diverse viewpoints" I already do. Unlike you. "Actually read some left-wing or centrist " Literally most of the people I have subscribed are centrist or left wingers. Oh wait... You're marxist... In your view anyone right from staling is a fascist right?
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@mikeh5399 Property can be private regardless do they make revenue or not. "However, I still don't see how any of this leads to genocide." Because in marxist theory, every one needs to be exactly the same for it to function. Marx was an idiot, but still smart enough to see it. Because people with different set of natural talents will always end up above others and there will always be natural hierarchies. You can see that even among your friends. You don't like them equally. Only way you can actually make everyone to follow same rules and morals without having state enforcing them. Is by through act of genocide. Kill people who naturally are different. Genetics actually play big role on people's morality and in their political opinions. This has been well proven already. Most people are genetically hardwired to seek for strong leaders in order for them to feel safe and protected under them. Rare amount of people end up being like libertarians, who have strong mind enough not to want to take orders from anyone, not from mob and not from a leader. So how to seek society where people think, act and are equal in all manners? Only way to do so is literally through eugenics. Which is what soviets did in massive scale. They slaughtered whole villages on basis of their ethnicity and having couple people from there who didn't like communists. I know a guy who witnessed personally whole thing. Where every adult male was slaughtered from a small town. Your utopia will never work due the fact that human species are not a hivemind.
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@sparkz9502 "I say you are wrong because you are wrong." You need to demonstrate why I'm wrong. You do not have authority to decide what is wrong and right. " I already explained why you are wrong." And I refuted all of it. "You have simply ignored all my points and repeated your bullshit lies. " I addressed everything you said, but you lacked intellectual capability to respond mine. "The fact you don't identify the Communist Manifesto as an introduction to Marxism once again shows you haven't read it." Manifesto noun. A written statement declaring publicly the intentions, motives or views of its issuer. Communistäs manifesto says everything we need to know about commies. Their intention is to have violent revolution, abolish families, class and private property and create society where proletarians are tyrant rulers. In hope that eventually everyone who is different will be gone, hence state has no reason to exists anymore. You people are psychopaths and your manifesto shows it.
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@abdo19code When he advocated murdering every person who is not part of proletarian class until people are so similar with no difference in talents, looks, behavior at all that they can finally stop having state enforcing rules. It's all there in his manifesto, the logical conclusion of every word he did spout. " why is a dictatorship of the labor class SO MUCH WORSE?" Well look at the history books and you know... I can go into lengthy details why, but I know that you people are cultists hence you won't listen reason. IF any of you had any balls, you would have moved to a commune instead of spending time in capitalist society. "And "private property" in the Marxist context refers to private ownership of the means of production, not your car and your house." He literally stated house as private property. You know... Since there are people who rent their houses in order to gain some money. You know if you had any brains and honesty in you. You would stop worshiping that wife beater who killed his own children and lived as parasite his whole life. Then proceed to make your own idiotic form of communism.
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@abdo19code "yea, that never happened. " Actually it did. Literally every communist regime on this planet has tried to do that. "yea, cause that's how reality works" You do realize that communes exist right? Literally nothing prevents you from joining one if you actually were honest with your belief. "yea, if you're renting a house you own out to someone else then it is a means of production. I'm talking about the house you actually live in. " One can rent house where they live in as well. This is why you're a sad talented commie. You lack brains to think simple solutions like these to build up wealth.
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@abdo19code "No, it didn't. And no, they haven't. If you can find me even ONE text written by a communist statesmen to back up your claims we'll talk. Otherwise you're just making shit up honestly. " Are you really this blind? Are you one of those idiots who deny all the mass murdering that every communist country has done? Soviets, mao, pol pot, vietnam, north-korea and the list keeps going on. Every communist society on this planet has had their hands drenched in blood. "Being "honest with my belief" doesn't mean going into some hippy commune in the forest, it means organizing the working class to smash capitalism. " You just proved my point. You just proved that you won't be satisfied in living in commune made out of communists. You just want to kill capitalists who haven't done anything to you. You literally just proved my point. You guys are psychos, you cannot be even considered as human beings. "f you're renting out a house you're living in ... where the fuck does the person renting the house go - or where do you go?" House can have multiple rooms, you can also share a room. No wonder you resort to violence... You lack ability for creative thinking. This is why you will be sad loser rest of your life.
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@abdo19code "uppet govt intended to be used AGAINST communists, but ok" yeah right... More idiotic conspiracy theories. Guy made country communist and lead it exactly like every other communist leader on the planet. "Are you one of those idiots that still accepts the ridiculous "body counts" that have long been debunked and even rejected by those who made them up? " They haven't been debunked. You're basically like nazi denying holocaust. My family members and some friends witnesses these massacres with their own eyes. No use in lying to me. It's also well recorded that Stalin was complaining that body count wasn't high enough. "Even the US state dept has recently acknowledged that "well, maybe there weren't as many deaths as we may have been saying there were lol our bad". 2 If you had brains, you would've figured out that doesn't mean that there weren't deaths. It's still undeniable fact that body count was higher than what nazies did. Especially since they committed genocide in ukraine. "Capitalism is responsible for more deaths than that EVERY 5 YEARS." lol nope... No one is being killed in name of capitalism. You're not responsible on people's own lives. "when someone dies of pneumonia in a socialist country then it's communism's fault," Nope, when people refer to death count. They refer people that were PURPOSEFULLY killed. Not by someone dying to diseases. "I don't want to just run away and hide in a commune, I want to remove the plague of capitalist from the planet. " So you do not wish to capitalists to have their own society where they can be capitalists together, while you can have your own communist society somewhere. You just want to kill all capitalists. Just look at the words you use. You would do exactly the same as Stalin. Aka commit a mass murder. " Capitalists are responsible for billions of deaths from centuries of colonialism, slavery, imperialism, exploitation of labor and resources, and are currently destroying the fucking planet just to make a buck. " Those stuff didn't exists in capitalism, those were from different economic and political systems. Feudalism and Mercantilism. Also you made lot of claims without backing them up. Also currently socialist and communist countries are polluting more than capitalists. "The boss that is exploiting my labor and stealing my surplus is a capitalist." On what ground it's yours? "The bank exploiting my need for housing through interest-bearing loans are capitalists. " You do realize that you can rent a house? And save money for house. Bank is not exploiting you, they are helping you to get what you want while asking something in return. "The landlord at my last place that was exploiting my need for housing was a capitalist." So he is exploiting you by not giving stuff for free? You don't make any sense. Do you even realize that you sound literally like a thug who steals stuff from others and then cries out for revenge is someone happens to defend themselves? "The people creating artificial scarcity to jack up prices on goods I buy every day are capitalists" There is no artificial scarcity. This is why communist countries end up with shortages and capitalists don't. Because capitalists take into account limited resources. " I could go on and on all day. If you think capitalists haven't "done anything" to you, then you're beyond fucking oblivious and ignorant. " Everything you just had said, simply states that capitalism has done evil things to you, because they don't give stuff to you for free. Meanwhile in communism, they would outright kill someone purely for political reasons. "Wait, you literally just repeated the exact same thing I just said" You didn't say. You were simply asking pointless questions and I laughed at you for it. "end the whole concept of money and needing money" Money is simply tool for trade. Instead of trading resources you use money which symbolizes the amount of resources you have. Money is the reason why we even have a civilization in the first place. Take away money, and you will still have problem of limited resources. Not everyone can have everything, this is reality of the world. Also there are no classes in western world. What we call middle class, lower class etc... Are not classes in traditional sense. They are simply labels used on people who are different. Real class system is something where you cannot change your position. Something that is fixed to the law. " First establish a system where there is only personal property and public non-profit property." Why would anyone work in your system at all? Why would someone go to coal mine to get needed resources for the goods you want? Why would someone clean toilets in office building? Why would someone take care of sewers? Why would someone take care of the trashes? Would you do that? This is major problem among communists. They all see themselves as some super elite artists in this society, imagining that no one would need to do the jobs that no one wants to do. This is due the fact that you have never experienced hardship in your life. You're not part of the working class, since you lack understanding what modern working class goes through. "There wouldn't be a need to rent out a room in your house." Then why would someone make you a house? "You can let someone stay in your house like a family member traveling or something else" Family is abolished in communism. Didn't you read the manifesto? Also what if that someone messes your house? Doesn't clean it etc.. "End profit." Aka people who create something, should not benefit from it. Hence destroy creativity. How fitting that a man without creativity wants to see this. "Then we can work on ending the non-profit state that doesn't use money and has no class character." Hierarchies will never end. They are part of human nature. We are pack animals. You go and do that all you like, but meanwhile you work in that sewer or in a coal mine. I will be making kids with the woman you love. Exactly you heard it right. There would be people who would spend their time just to make multiple women pregnant and "steal" their hearts. Best of all... idiots like you would end up supporting these children and actions of these guys. Truth is... Your society would never work and competition will never stop. After all... There will always be competition on something, and people who would work in your society, would disappear from the genepool.
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@sparkz9502 Manifesto by definition is not introductory. It's declaration of will. I even provided dictionary definition for word manifesto. As long as you refuse to respond to my previous arguments, then I haven't lost any debate.
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@RobinEvans1234 Cringe as much you like but it's a fact. you're denying death and suffering of millions in your delusional claim that communists haven't killed anyone.
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@odysseaskoutsos2314 Did marx deny content of said manifesto? Nope... And it's written by him and his friend Engels. You know the capitalist guy who marx exploited in order to get free stuff.
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@sparkz9502 Green book is political book, not a manifesto. Fascists manifesto was not introduction either. It had clear declaration of intentions and policies. Literally all actual manifestos you mentioned were them stating their intention. You're fucking idiot for even arguing for this. Manifesto by definition is not introduction to anything, it's declaration of will/intent..
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@odysseaskoutsos2314 communist's manifesto was published in 1848. Marx died in 1883. Was written near his death? What are you? A vampire?
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@odysseaskoutsos2314 Nope, it's the official and the public one. The one that people citate. You're grasping straws here. So far you haven't shown any evidence to contradict mine, nor have you shown any of the thing mentioned in manifesto, being contradicted in any of his works.
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@sparkz9502 Definitions are not defined by what the word is not, but how they are. Otherwise definitions would be filled with billions of different words describing what the word is not. Every manifesto is a short one. Because they are declarations of intentions not philosophy books to read about. Recently video about racial IQ? Rofl what? I don't see such video in my recent likes. Where are you pulling out shit stupidity? Nice ad hominem btw. Stefan molyneux? I'm not even subscribed to him. Timpool and sargon are both left wingers. Is this all you can do? Commit ad hominem attack instead to back up your idiotic claim?
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@sparkz9502 "That has nothing to do with what I said. Regardless, that doesn't change the fact that the Communist Manifesto is an introduction to Marxism." Literally everything to do what you had said. You're purposefully twisting the definition in order to make it fit your narrative. Manifesto's are not introductions. "You have got to be kidding me. They are both undeniably far-right populists." Both are left wingers. Both argue and mock far-righters and political axis study made by actual scientists proves that they are left wing. " You already lost the argument" Arguments are not lost just because someone insults.
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@Zangief The Red Yet you cannot refute anything I had said.
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@Zangief The Red All I see is that you're here bitching and crying about that you just got owned by me.
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@Ffkslawlnkn "it seems you have no idea what kind of private property marx wanted to overthrow, and it seems you didn't really get what the 'dictatorship of the proletariat" So far you have only said "you are wrong, I'm right" without demonstrating that I'm wrong. History is on my side. Every time communism/marxism/socialism has been tried. It has always lead into same sort of government. Mass murdering and oppressive regimes. That is the truth of marxism. Idiots might not realize it, but intelligent marxist know it. And the reason intelligent ones support is. Is because they are psychos who think that they will be the ones leading and oppressing others once revolution is done.
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@Ffkslawlnkn "abolition of private property and some brutal dictatorship. " All is in his manifesto. He literally stated there. "fact is that you have no idea about what private property means" Yet none of the communists or socialists were capable to actually define it in way that doesn't apply to literally everything. "as a dictatorship by our definition." He literally did advocate for dictatorship of proletarians and explained in details what it means. Aka working class oppressing all the other classes until class distinguishing features would disappear and everyone would act and think the same.
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@Mister.Braddock In part where he talks about persecuting wealthy and killing them during and after revolution.
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@Mister.Braddock So him talking about how the revolutions of the past were used to achieve what he wants, and how similar one should be made again... Doesn't advocate for mass murder? Even though revolutions he refereed had mass murders happening? Dude... Read the fucking manifesto. There is a reason why literally every socialist and communist society on this planet has committed mass murders. :D
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@Mister.Braddock No you haven't. Where in the manifesto he advocated for peaceful "revolution"? Where in book he advocated for live and let live? No where, instead he was talking about tyranny and forcing others. So again, go back to cave. Socialist and communist are nothing but bunch of psychos.
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@Mister.Braddock Oh I knew your true nature long before I even saw Sargon on youtube. You see... I love studying philosophy and history. There is nothing more viler than socialism and communism on this planet. Go to a shrink, you need some serious help. Before you start killing people in name of the most retarded ideology on the planet.
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@Mister.Braddock PJW who? To study history? Rofl... I actually read history from history books and history lectures. Same with philosophy. Anyway, it's funny how you still don't deny that you wish to kill people. Psychos without any substance. That's what you people are.
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@whitetuxmafiaandfilms5042 You say so, yet you are incapable to demostrate it.
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@chavdarnaidenov2661 Well that's what marx's books were. Propaganda booklets.
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@chavdarnaidenov2661 You're not refuting anything I had said. So long as you fools fail to address my arguments, is as long as you all look like total tools.
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@chavdarnaidenov2661 Then you should have pressed "reply" to his comment, instead of tagging me.
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@SuperResnick I'm astonished that you read marx and still support that wife beater who never did any honest work in his lifetime.
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@SuperResnick Problem here isn't not just his sick character, but his ideas also are terrible. I have done multiple time debates about this and crushed around thousand of communists. Just getting bored now and appealing to the emotions. After all... That is the only thing that you savages will listen. "Please provide proof of Marx never doing any "honest work in his lifetime"." Google it up. He lived his whole life with the money that his capitalist friend provided for free.
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@SuperResnick You know, like debating with thousands of creationists. You will eventually see the pattern. They refuse to change their stance due their religious attitude. For communists and socialists their marxist belief is their religion. Since all socialists and communists are dishonest, so it's better that I don't write essay in here. Instead in order to avoid you from changing goal post (literally every far leftie does that whenever someone tries to pinpoint what they actually mean with socialism/communism). I want you to post here how the society that you advocate for would run. I'm not asking you to tell me what it's goals are. I'm asking you how it would actually organize itself. After that I will proceed and demonstrate all the flaws in your system.
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@SuperResnick Marx way was already tried in soviets. It ended up as disasters. They followed communist's manifesto by the book. So you admit that you are supporting ideology that you are totally clueless about.
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@SuperResnick If you had a clue, then you could've already state how your society is build. As long as you cant answer and give your example of such society. Then by default no one should ever vote for someone who advocates socialism/communism. "Marxism is a wide range of thought within philosophy, economic analysis and scientific theories" Cop-out. It's still a fact that soviets followed his manifesto by the book. Also marx strawmanned capitalism since he didn't even understand economics. He never did any real work and never studied economics. Hence distorted view. Which is why all of his predictions went wrong.
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@SuperResnick 1. Judging by this we can conclude that you have no reason to support any Marxist idea since you can't even fathom what sort of society should be build. 2. It's cop-out when you are using it as attempt to avoid answering the question. As I said before... Far lefties are dishonest. Always trying to weasel out. "Socialists can neutralize the problems of Leninism and keep the good ideas by using foresight." HAHAHAH what a joke, if they could use foresight they wouldn't be socialists in the first place. 3. Extremely correct, since he was stupid enough to think that one can only be rich by someone else being poor. He thought that economics is a zero sum game. Marx was an fool and his followers even bigger ones.
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@SuperResnick He has explained it and it has been explained it. Free people are able to generate solutions to problems they have even without government. That has been empirically proven. It's basically natural selection of ideas. While communism and socialism both rely on having political elite class that does decisions for you. Which has been proven empirically to be a bad idea. You see since you are not that bright I need to explain this to you in detail... You are advocating for totalitarian government. Hence you should be able to actually explain how such government would be build and how it actually functions. I don't really need to explain how free society should function, do I? After all.. I'm not the one who is proposing central planning. "Explain to me in what way did I avoid the question. " When people say that soviets weren't true marxists or communists. Then pointing out that everything that marx demanded communist uprising to do, was done. Manifesto was fulfilled. You are being dishonest when you bring up "but there are some other people with different definition". That is irrelevant to the point. Once again I have proven that you can never trust a socialists. 3. He actually did use them, especially when talking about the conditions they lived in. "In essence the capitalist class needs the working class in order to exist. " Not really, you can have your own company and be the sole person working there. You can also use drones and robots. Not to mention that it's in truth... The working class that needs capitalists. Since they are the ones with brains and drive to actually do something else than drink their brains out. "I would appreciate if you would respond to one of them but the topic changes. " That is literally what you have been doing all the time. You refuse to actually state how your society should be run. That is because you know fully well that you would get destroyed the moment you even try. As I said before... You guys are nothing but psychopaths trying to find excuse to kill others.
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@SuperResnick Remember what I said earlier in this thread? That I will predict that you will leave the moment you lost the debate. Psycho's like you who want to kill others to get their stuff deserve 0 respect. Sources need to be provided only when being asked. And in my experience it's pointless. Socialists never check them, they just do what you do now. However none of you have ever refuted any argument of mine. And no, I'm not stupid enough to add some psycho to my discord. I work enough in IT to know the security risks concerned over it and I know fully well that you people are psychopaths. You want discussion? We can do it here. If you keep insisting on discord it will just prove your true colors. So judging by your comment, I can take this as a win.
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@robertocaesar Actually context was that people were still living under feudalism and mercantilism. They were just about to switch from societies based on farming into industrialization. Actually marx didn't believe in democracy. Read his manifesto. He openly advocated for tyranny of the working class. Also it's crazy. So many stupid ideas in it. " You must have a context and stop getting scared by history. " Within in context of the manifesto he was talking about violent revolutions where anyone having opposite opinion would be murdered. "you have to learn the ideas not the surface propaganda. " OH boy... If I would believe in the propaganda then I would be agreeing with you lot. However I don't. I'm not a sheep like you are. I actually can refute whole communism/socialism on philosophical ground easily. Not to mention that empirically speaking... It has always failed. Simply put... You people advocate murderous ideology, but then again... You don't care. Since that is basically viagra for incels like you.
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@chinaski2020 Just like one can read whole bible without believing it's non-sense. One can read everything marx wrote and still see it as BS.
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Social security is not socialism in any manner.
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