Comments by "Tespri" (@Tespri) on "" video.
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@Hirnlego999
"Green deal is communism? Holy shit, that's dumb"
Literally made demand that government takes over private property.
"Which again makes it clear you have read nothing. What's the problem of classical liberalism? The rich rule the system. What's the problem with Stalinism? A strong man takes over. A socialist has a problem with both. "
And in socialism rich strong man takes over.
"It's not, you just have not read anything"
Unlike you kiddo, I have.
"Internationalism is anti-nationalistic. "
Not if you add there possibilities of new frontiers such as space. Anyway, just because other nations are gone, it doesn't mean that there isn't one nation ruling over everything.
"Since Trump remade himself into a nationalist he has to be OK with China for instance having internment camps"
It's funny how you try to twist this. USA is evil for fighting for southern Vietnamese, or killing Saddam Hussein, but USA is evil for not doing same to china.
"It's not a first resort, but he did get some things wrong."
It was first resort. Read it again.
"You'll find support in favor of violence from just about any ideology too, this is absolutely nothing unique about Marxism. "
Difference is.. Marxism is build on hatred and violence.
" He had to flee his entire life because opposing viewpoints were not exactly allowed."
Doesn't make him a man of peace. It just makes him man without power.
"he always said keep on researching and keep on questioning,"
Yet he never researched history or even basics of economics.
"USSR went from a peasant country to the country that first put people in space."
At cost of millions of lives and with forced labor.
USA did the same without losing lives or forcing people to work on it.
Also just because they did put someone in space, it doesn't mean that average Russian had it good.
"n no other society has people been picked up form mass poverty as in these societies."
Finland, Sweden, Estonia, Hong Kong, SIngapore, Japan, South-Korea to name a few.
Never has leftist society reached the point of well being as capitalist.
"The only way to represent workers is through democracy, it can't come from the top and in none of his writings will you find genocide or gulags. "
And they democratically voted for gulags and genocide.
"And as said, Marxism is not nationalistic at all, neither is it imperialistic, both of with USSR of course were. So why would this be socialism?"
Marx wasn't socialist.
And once again I find it hilarious how you call it socialism/communism when it fits your narrative but when something is wrong then it stops being.
"Why are some animals more equal than others? This is in direct contradiction with Marxist teachings."
not at all. Marx himself viewed himself as superior to the proletarian. He wasn't part of the class and saw himself as what we would now call as "white saviour complex".
"Since 1930 I had seen little evidence that the USSR was progressing towards anything that one could truly call Socialism"
Abolishing private sector is not socialism?
"LOL, fantastically stupid. OK, so if Europa is right wing then lets implement healthcare for all"
I'm European, you moron. Healthcare doesn't make your right wing. Most if not all european countries are free market capitalist societies, just because they believe in forced charity, it doesn't mean that their economic system is built on worker/state ownership.
" He had loathed the corrupt and dictatorial rule under the Nationalist party before 1949."
Corruption is not caused by nationalism.
"“But after people gain power, it’s easy to become dictatorial.”"
Every social democrat/democratic socialist/communist/socialist regime in history of this planet in nutshell.
You people are destined to die out. Bloodthirsty morons who think they have right to murder in name of their flawed modern religion.
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@Hirnlego999
"Ah yes, hamburgers and cows would vanish. Lots of misinformation, not worth my time."
The fact that you don't even understand what private property is in marxists terms, just destroys your whole credibility. With private property it's mean things such as companies. Means of productions you know. Moron.
"Not socialism"
Literally everytime it has been tried these has been the results.
"You're late for your book burning"
Only left wing does that stuff.
"It doesn't seek to destroy nations,"
It's clear that you do not know what abolish nations means.
"Workers of the world unite, is quite a different call, and it's a class "warfare", not Nazism and 1000 year old empires. "
Just because it's not based on ethnicity it still doesn't make the murder justified.
"Not twisting, but USA had no business in Vietnam just like France didn't. "
But USA has business in China? See the contradiction? You need to be low IQ moron to be far leftists.
Your mental capability is literally so small that you just proved my point.
"The programme presented a moderate gradualist, reformist and evolutionary way to socialism as opposed to revolutionary, violent approach of the orthodox Marxists."
Has been also tried and failed. Venezuela is the latest example. It just happens that your system always ends up in violence and misery.
"He did not seek to have power, he even changed his looks later in life to not become some political dogma Jesus people have to follow."
He literally seeked power, he was just treated like the clown he was.
Funny how you keep defending that racists dude who did beat and cheat his wife and murdered his own child with his own neglecance. Then again.. Historically speaking left wing always had thing for hating children.
"Oh, you haven't even read 1/20 of his works."
Doesn't refute what I had said.
"USA is built on the bloodspill of millions, nor did it go to the democratic values it supposedly was in favor of. Just ask blacks and women, and slaves."
Literally every society in history of the world at the time had slaves. Yet USA was only one to rise up above rest of them. Meanwhile actual economists have proven that slavery was actually harmful to the economy. Simply put... it did actually slow them down, not build them up.
However this is not comparable. Were talking about 1900 USA to 1900 Soviet Russia. We can make comparison between Finland and Russia as well if you're going to use slavery as excuse.
"So which are these now? They're mixed economies. Not 100% capitalist, which no country is."
according to studies many of the names mentioned there are more economically free than USA.
It shows that there is extremely strong correlation between free economy and flourishing society. Meanwhile poorest regions have most restricted economy.
All of those countries were examples of pre industrial revolution countries that became sudden success after adopting free market capitalism. All of them offered better well being than soviets ever had.
"Holy shit. The people are now Lenin? The people voted after Stalin died to start closing these things? Nope. They didn't have that choice."
They voted those people in charge while fully knowing their policies.
It just happens that your IQ is too low to comprehend this simple fact. Which is why you're doomed to repeat same mistake over and over again.
"This coming from someone who calls the green deal communism. "
You do not know what socialism is if you think marx as one. Also again, what else you would expect green deal to be when they make demand to take over private property and confiscate wealth in massive scale?
"He was not the pig in Animal Farm, nope. He faced poverty for much of his life. And as said, workers have no race."
He was no poor man. He lived on money that his family and friends gave to him, and then spended it on luxury activities. He was never part of working class since he never worked. He saw himself above the work that proletarians were doing. And as said he was racists.
"Which every country has to a certain degree, it's not always socialism in that case either."
In case of USSR 100% abolishment so you lose.
"The capitalists are not interested in giving the workers power either, which is precisely why they have a love affair with China. No unions either, let the workers fight among themselves, but a Marxist would point out that the workers have similar interest and need the right to unionize in order to level things up a bit."
State is the union in China. Like MArx wanted. Soviet union was called as union for reason. Moron.
"An European moron then."
Doesn't refute my points.
"No, a true rightwinger would allow for the market to handle this. "
You're not addressing the point. Which is that their economic system is overwhelmingly capitalist. Some even more than USA.
"If you have no money you have no worth, and here in lies the poverty of rightwing dogma."
Just like if you don't work in far left society, then you have no worth. Thus you were forced as slave or just killed.
"It's heavily regulated, "
Least regulated countries in the planet. Some even less than USA.
"f the system collapses the state comes to their aid, just like the do in USA. "
False, if you're referring to the great depression it was caused by federal reserve. They admitted it decades later. State has never saved country from poverty in history of this planet. Politicians aren't super geniuses with pure hearths.
"Roads, hospitals, education, healthcare and so much work are not under the capitalistic system, because it wouldn't work."
None of these are part of the means of productions. These are basic infrastructure that every government pretty much on history of this planet has done. It's not related on making business. Using those as exploratory of worker owned systems is just idiotic.
"Nor does it prevent it. "
Actually it does. If someone truly believes in one's nation and to serve it. Then by all logic he should be willing to give his life and effort to increase it's status and wellbeing.
"Oh yeah, then Finland and New Zeeland should soon become dictatorial. Hah, your claim is absurdly stupid, luckily you don't make in with your own name."
Finland and new Zealand are one of the most capitalistic nations on this planet. Especially new Zealand which is placed on 3th most economically free nation on the planet. And I live in Finland, here we shot people like you behind the saunas. We have long history of embarrassing people like you.
"If anyone has a more murderous intent then it's the likes of you, you have after all went quite quickly into personal attacks. And you will claim that you live under a capitalistic system yet do not wonder at all why the ruling class use governments to go kill for instance Arabs to steal their natural resources."
I'm not the one advocating murdering people on basis of their intelligence and success in current system. That is you.
"Even animals have a better grasp at morality than capitalists which favors sociopathic and psychopathic behavior."
Yet weirdly enough according to studies most far lefties suffer from mental illness and historically speaking biggest atrocities were all done in name of far left. Meanwhile far left societies all are plagued with deep corruption. Weird... How such people who were suppose to be morally superior to us... Always ends up murdering people in masses and taking part in corruption.
"Got no money kid? Tough luck, but you are free to go to work for me for a penny. No healthcare provided. Your worth is in your money."
Money merely tells how much you have contributed to the society. IF you don't work it shows that you don't contribute, how much your contribution is valued is based on your profit/salary.
You lose like always. Your people are mentally ill and incapable to even conduct intellectual discussion over how world should work. Which is why you always resort in murder.
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@Hirnlego999 Another wall of text which is mostly comprised useless sentences that could've been left out.
"You've already made it clear that you have not read one iota"
Ditto
"Literally gave examples of where it doesn't happen. Moron."
All which were short lived societies or not even independent. Doesn't really count as example. It takes a while to happen.
"More stupidity"
It was a objective fact. You guys are the one advocating for cencorship not us.
"It's clear you have no idea what the goals are"
It was literally mentioned in manifesto so...
"Nobody is justifying it."
Everyone left from center are.
"Which differs it from say Nazism which does have the ideology of cleaning out undesirables"
Nazies were left wingers, however no. Their ideology wasn't about cleansing out undesirables. You might want to actually read into what they have said instead of what communists have said about them.
"USA is sleeping in the same bed as China yes, just like you get all presidents dance with the royal family in Saudirabia, another crooked government. Where there is money the capitalists will be dancing with anyone. If the devil was real he would have a deal with them too."
Oh is that why USA is having trade war with China because they are sleeping with it? You make so much sense.
Where there is far lefties, hope for future of mankind is gone.
"Chavez reduced poverty by some 25%, the main reason it doesn't work is that it is almost purely oil based. That and it's a also something the capitalists wish to steal."
At cost of causing huge economic collapse in few years in future for not being able to pay that "solution":
"Still, most of the economy is based on private property. "
False, there is virtually no freedom of enterprise in Venezuela. Shops and companies are being confiscated and no management freedom at all, prices and wages are directly controlled by the state. Not to mention that most vital industries are all owned by state. The rest of the "private" sector is just barbershops, restaurants and shops.
"2002 they did not have these economic problems yet there was still a a coup effort, and there still is."
Actually they had problems. IT was long steady decline long before oil price did drop.
"Capitalists would let a child starve if he didn't have money, so you're not helping yourself here"
Objectively false. There have been studies about this. Right wingers are more likely to do charity and even take part as non-profit organizations and help there. Left wing just wants to make everyone dependant on government and do nothing themselves. You do not want to make sacrifices to help someone, you want to force someone else to do it for you.
"o not send them to factories, you also prevent unwanted children to be born into poverty. "
Ironic here is that socialist and communist societies have child labory and are against abortion.
"But then again the right has always fooled the people and sold them religion instead, essentially making women 2dn class citizens. "
Religion is not tied to left or right wing.
"It's not an excuse, I'm calling your bluff. You're already dreaming up delusions of violence. Since you say the world is capitalist, then why do 10 million children starve to death each year. Why not redistribute some of that food? See, you don't actually care."
What bluff, what I stated is historical fact. Also in countries where children starve are literally made out of countries with extremely restricted markets. Aka not capitalist societies, in fact the poorest and most starving nations were made out of social democratic or socialist governments. Objective fact.
"No such thing as free market capitalism. But whatever makes you sleep at night. It's only after welfare ideas are implemented that good living can be said to be there."
Actual economists disagree with you.
"Since USA has moved further to the right lately, why are so many relying on drugs, religion to get by? Why are suicides increasing?
Why are for instance elderly in South Korea killing themselves? Because they feel that they do not contribute and are a burden to society. Great examples where societies have started to worship money more than anything. "
Complex issues and you're moron if you think that those things don't happen in socialist or communist countries. Even Finland which you moronically thought as democratic socialist country has high suicide rate. There are too many variable and there is no correlation between economics.
"Because they feel that they do not contribute and are a burden to society. "
And living off on welfare does make them feel like they contribute?
I bet that you have never actually felt poverty.
"People fucking vote for Lenin? You should work with Dinesh D'Souze and rewrite history."
Yes they did, how else you think he got power in state that started as democratic?
"The only wealth that is being confiscated in USA is by the rich. Massive taxcuts, massie subsidies, massive tax loopholes, they have even become 500 billion more wealthy since the damn pandemic. Also, you might want to look up Marx in a dictionary"
Because confiscating wealth from the rich ended up so well in other nations doing it... Lol nope.
Meager short term gains with huge long term loss. Why are you talking about pandemic when reference point was the new green deal which seeks to overhaul whole system?
"Except of course it's different politics, and STRONGMEN, no equality, no workers in power. And union and united are synonymous, means fuck all. Just like calling North Korea the Democratic Republic of NK. Means nothing."
All of those things you mentioned that are lacking, were there and ended up in total dictatorship. It's as if those things you promote actually leads into devastation.
"Points? You're a spreader of propaganda."
Yet you can't demonstrate it.
"No, they're not. Go to Japan and there are rules who can own a hospital, it's not for the likes of Romney to own them. "
Check out economic freedom index. You just got owned.
"That's the backbone of the society. An overwhelmingly capitalist system would get rid of it all."
These things existed long before concept of socials/communism/capitalism had.
"USA has had tons of economic collapses, and the biggest occurred long before there was a federal reserve:"
You literally refered to the great depression which was done by federal reserve. Google it up they admitted that they did it on purpose.
"Interestingly enough the 2008 crash which of course occurred in USA happened after some time of deregulation which allowed various parts of the economy to do as they please."
You're moron if you think that restricting people's ability to sell products and services will lead into more sales and services.
"Same thing in Iceland, lack of regulation lead to banks borrowing more money than the serenity of Iceland's annual GDP. The countries that fared the best in 2008 were among them Sweden and Canada, two countries with the best regulation of the banking industry."
Canada holds rank 9 as most capitalistic nation on the planet. Sweden is 22. USA is merely 17.
"Again we see that regulations are needed and no such things a pure laissez faire exists except in the mind's of folks like you who buy into your ideology religiously."
2008 banking crisis happened purely because government encouraging banks to offer loans to people with bad credits. IT was literally caused by government action. No bank would in their sane mind ever borrow money to someone who wouldn't be able to pay it back, unless government would backup such action.
"Hah no. Human capital is indeed parts of the production. What do you think corporations deliver their made stuff on? Teleporting with no cost?"
Again these things existed long before concepts of socialism/communism/capitalism/left wing and right wing.
"Furthermore, countries that invest in their industries, universities will outcompete those who do not. "
Not really, you're not out competing anyone when you're working on loss.
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@GermanLeftist
Guy claims that he is not a communists and then proceeds to parrot every talking point made by communism. Okay let's test this out make an decent argument why communism doesn't work. Since you're not a communist then you should be easily able to refute that point of view.
"The reason why China, and the Soviets for that matter, never managed to move past the revolution phase is that they are born out of orthodox marxism. Like with any orthodox interpretation of any text, this traps you in the time period in which the text was originally written"
Oh not just those. Literally every revolution ever tried. You fail to understand why. Which is why you are communist.
"If you live in a functioning, representative democracy today - and I don't count the US as one - things like active voter suppression, in-direct poll taxes, inaccessable polling stations, and other means to keep certain groups of people from voting aren't really a thing anymore."
Another evidence that you're communists, since you're incapable to realize that your democratic socialism always leads to these things.
"The only way around it was a revolution"
Which they did and ended up in far worse system.
"If Marx and Engels had been alive in the 1960s, they probably would have written it differently."
Nah, it would be same garbage. Both were upper middle-class people who never had to work in their entire life, dreaming about being leaders of revolution and not doing any substantial work. Marx for example was famous for his racism, abuses on his family and exploitation of his friends and family. Basically the average left winger. Someone who likes not to take any responsibilities and always finds excuses for not working, while proceeds to exploit people around him.
"There was active support for the previous system and even within the opposition to it there was not necessarily a majority support for communism. "
Expect communists became majority that even slaughtered all the opposition. Like always, left wingers thirst for blood. It's in your genes to want to murder those who are smarter than you.
" But humans are a funny people and if you force something upon us, we will most likely simply reject it."
It doesn't even work in voluntary communes. IT would literally demand people being like borg. All think and act the same, while having exact same attributes.
Which is why left wing denies biology and natural selection.
". If these authoritarian communists would allow social democrats or treat them as allies, they would prove that you can be a socialist without being authoritarian"
You literally can't. Whole concept of socialism is about destroying liberty of individual to mind their own business. Such thing can only be enforced through authority and force.
"That's why Stalin had to come up with a ridiculous term like "social fascist" to vilify social democrats and democratic socialists."
Stalin was right though. You're literally no different from Hitler beside your belief over how to treat minorities.
"Social democrats, democratic socialists, and libertarian or anarcho communists, still believe in socialist principles"
You have no principles. I have never seen any of your type to follow any principles you spout on. If you were you would create your own commune or worker owned companies.
You are just the type of people who think that are better than everyone else, thus entitle to slave them (in this case you think about forcing them through pandering)
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