Comments by "Tespri" (@Tespri) on "Unlearning Economics" channel.

@xa1313 Capitalism is when individuals are free to mind their own business.
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@MegaBanne "You obviously think Capitalism = Liberalism." Capitalism by it's principle is liberal ideal. "Capitalism is a society governed completely or partly based on ownership of capital." Nope, you clearly have no idea what capitalism is. It's simply individual's liberty to own property and capital and trade it with others. " Yeah, there is no inch of communism in Hina" Actually there is. They literally forced people to live in communes after mao's revolution. After which they realized that it was total disaster. Communism didn't work as they had hoped it would. Then they adopted new type of far left idea which was socialists market economy. "He viewed post scarcity as mandatory." IE in order for his system to work we can't live in reality. "If you want to find some better examples of socialism then look up the Barcelona communes. They lasted till Franco came with nazi support." LAsting is not same as flourishing. Plus this proves that communism is inherently flawed if it can't stand with pressure from internal and foreign agencies. System is only working system when it doesn't need to rely on perfect conditions. "Cuba was shown that the hard way thanks to USA" Ummm nope. There was no blockade on Cuba and funnily enough... You're now making argument that Cuba is so terrible that it can't survive without trading with BIG BAD USA. Well maybe you shouldn't be declaring war and planning to nuke whole country that you wish to trade with? "You do know that 20 million people die each years thanks to capitalism?" They don't. You can't contribute every death that happens in country X to capitalism. These numbers aren't proven and usually when someone talks about their context it's just loads of BS. Socialists and communists kills in name of their ideology and then suffers from massive periods of starvation. While you're trying to contribute people's own mistakes as deaths of capitalism. "Yeah, these are people who we could easily help, but who we chose not to" That is not same as killing someone. Also not true either. There are things like problems of logistics. "Since you can't exploit poor people in any other way than to make them work to death for you." I take it that you don't even live in the west if you view it this way. "Socialism has never been about forming a utopia." Literally has always been about it. Always claiming that all problems of the world will disappear since humans can't just be born as evil. "From each according to his ability to each according to his need" Extremely naive idea. You don't know what is someones real need or even ability.
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@LordZontar What does country that runs as socialist market economy has to do with this?
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Let's address some of the flaws in the video. Thomas Jefferson's own critique over "making peopled stupid". Scientifically speaking this is not the case. Menial tasks or workplaces does not lower people's IQ and neither does higher tasks increase them. Not only that but someone has to do those tasks in the first place, even in socialist or communist societies. In fact specialization is must have as proven in practice in Mao's china. Division of labor exists for good reason, not everyone can do everything. Also no... Even under capitalist system workers can own the business. This is not good definition of capitalism. It's simply market freedom. Also colonialism and women's subjugation part... well going to give you harsh truth.. That literally happened under every system. It's not tied to capitalism. Social science don't deal with reality they are just all bunch of gibberish claims based purely on ideological fanaticism. Only one applied with economics could be history and the history proves that capitalism is far superior in comparison to other systems. For German law it's clear that you never read it. It doesn't give workers majority of power nor does it apply to small companies. It applies to certain companies only.
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Pretty much, not even Karl Marx understood it.
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@DeoMachina " It's actually really easy, just have one big general strike, assume power and do your commie business!" How does strike ensure that they give their plants away? "Now, killing people in self-defence, that's a different story. The rich and powerful respond to all challengers with extreme violence. " no they don't. They will just ignore your strike and hire new people instead.
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@DeoMachina It's called as delegation. It happens even in millitary structure. Different levels of decision making, since it's near impossible for one person to manage large company with thousands of workers. This doesn't mean that the ones in top doesn't do anything. They make the real choices. They are the ones who actually hold responsibility of company collapses due poor success. Not the burger flipper. Who needs to be there every single day working on skyscraper? This is huge flaw of left wing thinking. You think that products that you consume come out of thin air. If no one builds a house, then there won't be a house. If house is build slowly, then there are still less houses avaible. Your boss isn't keeping you at work just to bully you. He is keeping you to satisfy the demand of the customers. Because there are lot of people who want to or need to have said product. The system you advocate would automatically lead to shortages. Plus some products get's old and spoiled if they wait too long to be done. Let's be honest, people with more intelligence usually go for jobs where manual labor isn't a thing. To jobs where inteliigence is valued. Carrying bricks or flipping burgers aren't one of those. You are now trying to have a cheap gotcha moment. Intelligence is rare trait. Engineering is one of those fields where person actually has to have higher IQ than average. Not only that but years of studying and being good with mathematics. You can't teach low IQ to become good engineer. you can give him diploma to hand but he will make every building collapse. Engineering is no where comparable to carrying heavy objects for living. "Cry about it" Doesn't change the fact that you are actually breaking contract you signed voluntarily and then use your positition to threaten. You sir have no morals. "You're right, it has actually worked well in worker co-ops." Actually didn't. Usually co-ops are something like farming or art style of places. Doesn't apply to majority of places. And they are generally independent people just doing their own shit. This doesn't work out that well in construction yard for example. "Wins? Wins what? Wait, do you think I'm talking about a presidential election or something? You don't actually know what democracy means?" If you talk about direct democracy then it's even worse. Bunch of people who have no education or cranial capacity to understand something. Spending days and months of voting new company policies. What could ever go wrong.. "Sorry but I'll take the dictionary over your whiny ass, kid" Marx was using it in context of violent revolution. "You can't handle it, you can't even acknowledge the possibility that I'm just some guy with just some job" Because I know that cowards like you would be killed in the hoods,
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He actually read the history and track record of socialist governments and came to logical conclusion that any rational person would've come to... Socialism doesn't work while capitalism does. There are literally records related to this and well established arguments why it's.
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There is literally 0 advanced society without settled agriculture. They all were tribal ones doing the same thing for thousands of years.
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@Walker_8_8 actually it did very well. You can't build society on basis of early hunter and gatherer tribes. There are literally billions of us and there is no room for such lifestyle. Nor would such lifestyle be sustainable.
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@Walker_8_8 why would anyone one work for free?
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@Walker_8_8 But if I get everything I Want without working why would I work?
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@Walker_8_8 So I don't want to be put into labor camp? But if there is no state and no politicians.. Who will enforce law and force me to labor camp? Also there is another issue... What you just said means that your system would be basically slavery. This is too easy, I'm multiple steps way ahead of you to the point that it's clear that you never actually put any thought on this. :D
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@Walker_8_8 Communism by definition is stateless. It can't have government. IF there is government it's bound to become brutal dictatorship like N-Korea. This is objective fact and has happened literally every time your type of communism has been tried to implement on this planet. Your account was created this year. If you actually were that old your account would be older as well.
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@Walker_8_8 Cmmunism is by defination stateless. It can't b cmmunism if there is goverment. Also if there is government then it would end up being brutal dictatorship like it has always been whenever implemented. Also your account is very recent. That alone makes your age claims suspicious.
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@Walker_8_8 C0mmunlsm is by definition stateIess. It can't b c0mmunlsm if there is g0verment. Also if there is government then it would end up being brutaI dlctatorshlp like it has always been whenever implemented. Also your account is very recent. That alone makes your age claims suspicious.
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@Walker_8_8 C0mmunlsm is by definition stateIess. It can't b c0mmunlsm if there is g0verment. Also if there is g0vernment then it would end up being brutaI dlctatorshlp like it has always been whenever implemented. Also your account is very recent. That alone makes your age claims suspicious.
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@Walker_8_8 Well that would go against entire definition. However in that case you end up having same problems as every time it has been implemented. Dictatorship, you have no safe guards against it if your politics would be implemented in national level.
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Because your economics have worked so well whenever tried? XD Meanwhile Things that Thomas Sowell advocates have proven track record of actually working.
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@LordZontar It's not, google it up. China is Socialist market economy. Bloody educate yourself. Why is it that left wingers are all so ignorant over everything?
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@LordZontar Dude, there is literally wikipedia page about it and China's state calling itself as Socialist market economy. You don't even know what capitalism is as the video in here proves. Left wingers are literally criticizing something they don't understand.
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@MegaBanne There is such thing as socialist market economy. Literally wikipedia page about it and Hina is using it. You don't even know what capitalism is. "Socialism is about the decentralizing of power." Why is it then that in literally every socialist revolution and after it the power was centralized? How many more people need to be killed for your utopia? All these countries killed and mass murdered people in name of far left ideas. How many more it would take to finally have "real socialism/communism"?
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@MegaBanne Capitalism wasn't invented by british people. It existed long before that Island was even populated. "Capitalism is not liberal. Capitalism has no principles. Capitalism has no ideals. Capitalism is system of governance." This is contradiction but you lack intelligence to see it. You can't have system of governance without ideals and principles. You're the one who is trying to redefine word, literally all dictionaries world wide disagrees with you. "That is not communism" Expect it's. It's society where people live in communes. "You just throw out words you don't understand hoping they will stick." Nope, you're free to use google. These words exists outside of my existence and Hinese government openly states to own such system. "We live in post scarcity" nope, we still have plenty of scarce resources. Energy sources are very good example of it. "You throw most of the food we produce at cows." Food isn't only resource that matters. Other types of resources are needed in order to generate large sums of food in the first place. "People starving is just a feature of capitalism." Only people starving in capitalism are drunkards and drug addicts. Everyone else have their bellies filled more food than they can handle. "I am not a communist." Stop lying, I have seen you before. "The ones who did best was the fucking soviet union." Actually false. It was the british who defeated nazies. The strategy that Churchill employed ensured that germany would slowly die and be forced to do poor military decision such as invading Russia. I bet you didn't know about the oil blockade that british had done. Which force Germany to desperately seek for oil. "No fucking country can survive without trade." Objectively false, however CUBA could trade with rest of the world. Only country they couldn't trade was USA and that was imply because CUBA was openly hostile toward them. What do you expect? "Imagine banning all trade between US states and other states/countries." Literally never happened. Trade embargo only applied with US and that was only with certain products. Food and medicine is still being traded with Cuban's. "There has been embargos against Cuba ever since before Fidel Castro came to power." Also false, embargo happened when Cuba tried to get nukes to their Island. "To avoid total collapse of the cuban system Castro bought oil from the USSR." Also false, Cuba has their own oil source. "Those are deaths due to the absence of clean drinking water, starvation, easily preventable diseases, and so on." Literally never seen this happen in any capitalist nation. You should move into one before criticize. Also again, you're pushing someone's poor decision making onto someone's else fault. It's not my fault that someone takes drugs so much that he can't afford to buy medicine. All these cause you mentioned are natural things that humans die to anyway. No matter what the system is. Including socialists and communist. "With your logic we should ignore all the starvation under Mao." Depends, the cause of starvation was purely communist system which failed to produce enough food and resources to feed people. Even marx admits that capitalism is far superior when it comes to productivity. Under capitalism you only die if you're druggie or drunkard. All things that your own life choices have led into. "Their fucking mistake was to be born in to brutal poverty." Not a thing in western capitalism. "Are you this desperate to defend capitalism that you blame the kids dying from type one diabetes because insulin is to expensive?" You do realize that people get diabetes by being overweight, which is caused by eating too much? Aka lead cause of their death was themselves living unhealthy lifestyle. "The logistics you speak of is part of the cost." Do you understand how expensive it's to preserve and move huge loads of food, to other side of the planet on place where people breed like rabbits and are too lazy to farm their own food? And I'm not talking about in sense of money, but in resource wise. "I live in the west." No you don't. You're talking about some dystopic stuff that doesn't happen in here. "We use debt diplomacy to force poor nations in to unfair trade deals." Not really, not at all in fact. Also we can just stop trading with them if they don't want to. In fact any different trade deal would mean that no one would buy their products anyway. You see cost of production is cheaper in your own country if the cost of production is the same in foreign country. I bet your IQ isn't large enough to understand this concept... But moving goods costs lot of resources. Thus other countries have to undercut their prices in order for anyone to buy their products in the first place. Without it, the local goods would have the advantage. "More wealth leaves Africa than enters it." Literally doesn't. "Do you think the west just got rich because of magic?" They got rich because of market freedom enabled people to compete and produce more than other types of economies. "Capitalism does not create wealth." literally does. This is why only capitalist countries are wealthy. "It distributes wealth from the majority to the minority." That is not how wealth works. You're thinking that wealth is fixated number, this is not true. "They called their version scientific socialism." What a joke, whole left wing ideology is based on pseudoscientific thinking and illiteracy on history. "You are a conservative fool that fears change." Says guy who believes in 200-year old ideology which promotes most conservative thinking in history of this planet. "They are not suppose to be realistic." ACtually they are if you wish to implement them. If they aren't then you doom your population to suffering. "Either you agree with that as good or you value: "From each according to his ability to the rich minority according to their demand". " only two options in your little mind? Man you lack creativity.
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How do you implement either socialism or communism without murdering those who disagree with you?
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@DeoMachina - Communists are usually vastly overestimating role of generic worker and greatly understimating value of managers, CEO and founders. It's easy to replace burger flipper, but much harder to replace the one who succesfully got the idea and implemented the great burger franchise. Thus any strike you make, just means that you will be replaced by someone else who is not a communist and actually has realistic vision over how the world is. "We do not, in fact, need the ruling class for very much at all." Many years of group projects and watching people interact.. You really need someone to tell you what to do. Do you even clean your own room? - This is very vague statement of yours. More power? Power from what and where? Like nothing concrete in here. Also not similar to aristocracy. You're parroting marx while he was stupid enough to only talk about french revolution. Truth is in most countries there never was any capitalist revolution. Situation just changed over time without any show of power or threat of force. "There would have to be as many unemployed people as there are currently employed people to replace us all." Here is several problems... FIrst of all you make grave mistake in thinking that lower working class of unskilled workers are on your side. In fact you most likely insult these people as facists and look down on them. Truth is... most communist are some brainwashed college kids who suffer from guilty consequence of being born into upper-middle class or rich family. You are small minority and you have never done a single day of honest work. Second mistake comes from that whole marxist literature is propaganda. You need to read multiple books of most boring work from an agitator who never did any good to any loved one in his life. Most people aren't into reading books in the first place. Thus only small group of cultists like yourself will delve into it. Simply put... The target audiance is suppose to be unskilled workers with no academic interest... But only university students with academic interests are supporting it. Plus you ignore drones and robotics overall. "Oh, and we have about a century of states using extreme force against strikes and trade unions to look back on. Yes, they absolutely will be using violence against us." Technically it's justified. Since you broke the contract that you signed up with them in the first place. Especially since you are using threat and coercion as method to steal what is someone's else. But as you see we came into most obvious problem in here. YOU're talking about stealing what already exists, instead of actually creating your own. Thus you proved my point .You guys are just psychopaths who lack creativity and balls to do anything on your own.
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@DeoMachina "You're crediting the boss with implementing the "great burger franchise" when they absolutely did not do it. Hundreds, sometimes thousands of people have to work together to make a company successful on that scale. The boss could never have done it alone." They absolutely do. They are the ones who come up with the idea and organize the chaos of thousands of workers possibly doing random stuff without any head or idea. Okay let's put it this way so that your simple brain might understand. Which one has biggest and most important role in building a scyscraper. Engineer or a low skill worker? Spoilers... It's the engineer. He does all the planning, math and has the intelligence that basic builder does not have. Thus he can design a building that actually doesn't collapse.He can also do the manual labor part of carrying stuff around, but it would take him much longer to do so than to hire couple low IQ people such as yourself to do it for him. So that he can focus on other projects. Not even millions of those manual labor people could ever replace that engineer. But that engineer could easily replace any of those workers. CEO and managers are basically engineers. Their job is to manage and organize the structure of the company/factory to something actually functional. CEO is more in a role of a captain of a ship. "I have already addressed this. There are not enough people to replace everybody with in the event of a general strike." You're more likely to die hunger than they are to give their company to you. Also again you would be using threat and breaking the contract. Why not just make your own company? "Even if you were right (you're not) that still doesn't justify a seperate class of people who are unelected and unaccountable. We need leaders? Cool, let's elect leaders. Let's have democracy in the workplace." There are no separate classes. That is pure manufactured lie from marx. Class would be something where you cannot go. Something you're born into. "Cool, let's elect leaders. Let's have democracy in the workplace." Because that worked so well in real life.. It just ends up being popularity contest where biggest and most charismatic moron wins. Plus where do you find to have time for elections for such things? "You realise it literally happened and Marx was referencing actual history right" I know and he was wrong. He was only refering to French revolution and thought it applied everywhere. This wasn't the case. Many countries became capitalists and even democratic without ever having revolution. "That's what revolution means lmao" IT doesn't .Revolution is not same as change. It's violent uprising. "But I never went to college, I work in a factory and I was born into a working class family. Why are you lying?" Keep on lying. "'Books are for cultists' is definitely a new one" Every religion has their set of books. "This is also a lie" Statistic fact. "Yeah um I won't be asking a robot's permission for anything sorry" My point exactly. You will be replaced by robots the moment you strike. "Legally speaking, no it is not." Legally speaking it's. "No, that's literally what capitalism is ahahaha " So trading something out of your free will to get something in return is same as stealing? Are you high?
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@DeoMachina "You're now telling me what I just got done telling you. I'm...glad you agree?" Nope. You misunderstand. This is why there are managers in the company. It's just not CEO. There is ladder of hierarchy to address this issue. Your chaotic direct democracy wouldn't work in company of thousands of workers. "And yet who actually loses their job if the company makes a loss at the end of the year? Hell, the people at the top of those companies get massive payouts even if they get the boot. Some 'responsibility'." You can get new job in less than week if you're good worker. It's no where in comparable to live in debt hell for decades or rest of your life for failing your business. "You've completely misunderstood the point. I'm telling you that the fact construction workers have to be on site every day proves that they are more important than you think. Engineer isn't on site every day." No it doesn't prove their importance. They are all easily replaceable unlike the engineer. Engineer is the only one with talent and knowledge to make the design and implementation of the building. He can't be replaced. His value to the project is higher, thus more salary. "You're equating ability with oppurtunity. Even Nikola Tesla dug ditches." Anyone can dug ditch, but not everyone can do what Tesla had. Which is my point. You're trying to replace the people who have the most value to the success of the company. You have very limited pool of resources to replace said person. To summarize, person with low natural talent can't ever do what Tesla can, but Tesla can do that person's job as well. "IQ isn't a measure of intelligence, leave the pseudoscience out of this."! Actually it's, and if you dismiss it then you have to dismiss literally everything in social sciences. Since that is the most tested field in it. You don't find low IQ people winning Noble prizes. I think you're confusing knowledge with intelligence. "People are dying as we speak and you're more concerned with what's written down on a sheet of paper. Let's just say your moral judgement means less than nothing to me." System you advocate wouldn't save those people, in fact it would doom more people to die. System I advocate gives incentive to help fellow man by making products and services for them to buy, and for talented people to work hard so society produces more than enough to feed most of it. "Just admit it: You hate the working class." Literally born into it and part of it. "Everybody in the working class lives in dangerous, crime-ridden sections of a city, where they get shot if they talk about communism." Pretty much.
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@DeoMachina "Accountability isn't chaotic, it is the opposite." Since when politicians were accountable of their actions even under democracy? "This is a lie, you have resorted to outright lies. Employers looking for employees have no method to determine who is and who is not a good worker, and infact have to turn down the majority of applications before the interview stage." There is, lot of jobs have interviews and tests. Not to mention they can asks recommendations. "And yet somehow CEO's avoid this, even the ones running failed companies." They don't, and CEO isn't same as the owner of the company. "You think replacability is the same as unimportance. This is an error." Kind of is the same in this situation. Losing engineer would ensure that project will never happen. Losing one manual labor worker would just stall the work for couple hours. "You are now avoiding the point." No, you are. "By definition it is not, and you knew anything about IQ you would at least know what the 'Q' stood for. It is not a measure of intelligence, or it wouldn't be called what it is. The name literally means not a measurement. How are you this ill-informed?" It's as good for measurement as running tests for running. Still waiting for you to name a genius with IQ of less than 90.
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@DeoMachina "Doesn't the fact that anti-democratic systems prevent us from holding politicians accountable prove what I am saying? It does." There is no such thing as anti-democratic system. Literally nothing prevents you from voting a different person. And this is classical flaw with you people. You always assume that these "anti-democratic" laws wouldn't be implemented in your system. Which ironically have always been implemented eventually. Soviets are great example of it. "I specifically said that most applications are dismissed before the interview stage. Tests for jobs are not that common. Recommendations are never asked for until a candidate is about to be offered a job. You lied. Own it." Recommendations are not. And how common tests are depends on work place, but so what? That is their flaw if they hire someone incompetent. But this doesn't remove the fact that cost is much higher for actual business owner than to some burger flipper. "Recommendations are never asked for until a candidate is about to be offered a job" Actually they are. I have been doing hiring process before in my life. "Who is the current President of the USA again" What that has to do with CEO's? "You have literally just conceded, that wasn't so hard now was it?" No? What are you talking about? I made point that low skilled workers do not actually add much value to the product. "False, IQ tests cannot measure anything, they are not designed to measure anything, no IQ score is a measurement of anything. You have no idea what you are talking about. " So tests which tests are you smart enough to solve difficult puzzles, doesn't measure are you smart enough to solve them? Interesting... Next thing you are going to say that cooper test doesn't test how far you can run in 12 minutes?
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