Comments by "Tespri" (@Tespri) on "How To BEAT the System (And Lose) – feat. The Matrix, Fight Club, Office Space u0026 Rick and Morty" video.
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+Wurminator
Just saying that it's wrong, doesn't make it wrong.
"Is it that you learned a wrong definition of socialism and communism"
You mean the one that marx, engels, and lenin in their own books said? Which comes to extremely close to definition of dictionaries as well?
Socialism:
Society where government/collective (in books referred as lower working class, aka proletariat) owns means of productions (like factors) and distribution of goods (like Wallmart).
Communism
Stateless society, where private property and class has been abolished. Generally communists believe in world wide conquest of one political party. After that some central power owns and controls every aspect of human life. Their meaning of "borderless" means elimination of every other country that could exists. They believe (marx and Engels) that stateless society would be achieved through socialism. Because state would simply naturally wither away, once every one acts and thinks the same. This is due the fact that they defined state as use of force. There is no need to use force when everyone acts the same.
"or have you not critically thought byond the rules of capitalism? "
Unlike you, I have actually read history books, studied economics and human behavior biology.
History has shown that literally every time socialism or communism has been tried, it has ended up in disaster. History has also shown that people who advocate these ideas, believe that they are so right, that they should be allowed to kill everyone who disagrees with them.
Economics explains in details why neither of those models can ever work and same with biology.
Meanwhile under capitalism world is seeing less poverty than ever before. More equality than and more prosperous than ever in human history. Best of all, trend is still going up. Individual liberty has been demonstrated to be far superior system than collective tyranny.
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+wurminator
"So first of all not every socialist Ideology is based on the works of Marx and Engels"
Pretty much all of them are influenced by them, most of socialists get their dicks hard when they speak about them.
"most workers during that time were anarchist-communists not marxists"
Marx was anachist.
"Later after the Russian revolution of 1917 the bolsheviks imprisoned and killed anarcho-communists "
This is relevant to my comments how? Ah I see, this explains your wall of text. You're trying to make your opponent so tired of reading your bullshit that they will leave you alone. Or then you think that more you write the more right you appear to be. Either way, very stupid move from your part.
"uring the spanish social revolution, wich had actual collectives controlled by workers and not some dictator, king or CEO, the bolsheviks backstabbed the anarchists!"
No they didn't. Bolsheviks followed teachings of marx by the book. Create central government ran by working class.
Also spanish revolution was terrible as well, it was also extremely authoritarian event. This is only natural for left wingers.
"The soviet union, this piece of shit state-capitalist dictatorship was not a bit socialist! "
Means of productions were owned by the working class. by definition it was socialist.
Also isn't it funny how every revolution turns out the same way when given time ;)?
"And most communists and socialists today and in the past were anti-authoritarian, so they didn't belive in any party!"
Objectively speaking false. They were authoritarians to extreme, they killed everyone who disagreed with their views and wanted to live different life style. Capitalism is the opposite, communists are allowed to create their own communes and live in peace, but communists would never give same freedom to capitalists. Also it's hilarious when you say "most communists". Objectively speaking false, since most revolutions were supporting creating one party dictatorship.
"The Idea of communism and anarchism is that the people free themselfs from opression of all kind so that you can actually express your individuality and not just act in behalf of what an authority want's or what is profitable."
Oppression? Nah, it's all about hating those who are better than yourself and forcing them to live in same misery as you. That i why they killed and persecuted all the talented people. Also there is nothing bad in profit, and nothing forces in capitalism to you to follow any authority.
"The idea that communism means everyone should think and act in the same way is a strawman from the cold war!"
Actually no... It's based on communist literature made by communists who were smarter than you. The ones who realized that this utopia that you speak of, wouldn't ever work unless people were the same.
This is why communists loved to murder people who didn't agree with them.
"You know what actually makes you behave like everyone else and destroys your individuality? Capitalism!"
So absolute individual freedom makes you behave like everyone else? Good to know...
"Looking at North Korea, you would probably not think that people there act according to human nature and of course they are not, beacause they are indoctrinated into the system there."
False, it's well proven by hard science that biology decides how people behave. Since you clearly haven't followed latest studies in that field, you should be informed that debate over nature vs nurture is over. Nature won.
Also you're making assumption that somehow humans are free from the biological past and behaviorism that all the other animals show that they have. Were not specie of ants, were prime apes and even today we act like them.
Capitalism has nothing to do with nationalism. Capitalism is simply economic system where individual is allowed to own it's own property and keep fruits of his labor for himself.
"Every society shows, that people are shaped by their socialization."
IF this were true, then everyone would be the same in every society. This is not true. People create their own culture, not the other way around. Unless you imply that aliens came out of nowhere and told us how to behave? Society simply reflects how we are as collective.
"So you say that communists would kill everyone who disagrees with them?"
Objectively speaking, YES. every freaking time.
"you mean like the authorities who shot down the paris commune"
Same commune that killed people in huge numbers? Common...
"or the US government who installed a fascist dictatorship in chile"
Who single handedly prevented chile from becoming same as every other communist country in the planet at the time.
Also saved more lives in long term.
"he US who tried to kill Castro countless time"
Castro who was known to be genocidal maniac.
"or the bolshevik authority who murdered communists because they were not loyal to the party"
That is just typical results of politics. It's not like spanish communists treated their political enemies any better.
"If you really want to see what Ideology is the most devestating, compare the kills of anti-authoritarian movements with the kills of authoritarian system, the billions of people who have been killed for god, a king, the party, "national security", the kasier, the führer or for profit!"
That is extremely shallow view. Lack of actual historical understanding. You do not even understand human biological behavior, nor how animals behave. In fact shit you just spouted is views of little kids who still haven't studied at all. You're oversimplifying issue a lot.
Fact is, out of all social systems ever tried to implement or has been implemented. Socialism and communism holds highest kill rate. Worst of all... They killed their very own people.
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