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Comments by "Tespri" (@Tespri) on "Bernie Speaks with the Finnish Ambassador: What Can We Learn From Finland?" video.

Our schools doesn't teach us system in USA. He knew more than you because he studied out of interest.
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fun fact, you will never pay enough taxes to cover the expenses our government made for you.
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You would hate to live in Finland. Lower taxes and less regulations than in USA.
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@LRRPFco52 It's a statistical fact. So your anecdotes are irrelevant. "This has nothing to do with forms of government." I haven't said a single word about cottages. "government is the primary contributor to the things that make Finland unique." Who are you talking to? It seems that you're talking to yourself and not actually responding to anything I had said. "Senator Sanders has an agenda to force the story of Finland into his profit hole" He doesn't take into account that Finland has low amounts of regulations and has very low corporate tax rate. Finland isn't having welfaresystem by "feeding the rich". Finland has welfare system by eating the middle-class.
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@londop.a.3048 There is no such thing as almost free. If you go to private clinic in Finland you will notice that the cost is about the same. The reason why things are more expensive in USA is because they have over regulated their healthcare system.
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@huuppone Lol you Muricans can't even read. I literally said that treatment costs more in USA than in Finland due to regulations and then you just went ahead and proved me correct. "he most efficient health care systems in the world are all government based" Lol literally best efficiency is in private sectors and so is quality. This is objective fact.
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How he resembles? He is corrupted guy who sells votes and lies to his voting base?
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@77sailordude I got 10 from that subject. They never taught how Electoral system in US works. It isn't relevant information for finnish people
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@celinehary3222 When cost of simple care costs more than in Finland then yes it's over regulated.
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@rafm3068 I'm spewing objective facts that are backed up by statistics. Again you don't understand the words you're using. mixed economy isn't about having welfare and free market. Not just that but you're thinking fallacy as if it's 50/50 mix. Which is not the case. "Finland fought against dictatorial forces and Stalinism" We fought against communism and socialism. I guess you never knew we had civil war against you monsters? "Socialism is a huge branch of political thought with Libertarian/Socialist " HAHAHASHA name a socialist who isn't advocating for murdering or oppressing group of people. "The Nordic and European nations allowed more socialists to participate peacefully in their governments" They allow socialist to participate but socialist are considered as clowns. Socialist and communist parties really have no support here and for good reason. You guys are simply put... insane. " Bernie supports more freedom in Latin America" Rofl says guy who literally supported brutal dictatorships of venezuela and cuba XD While glorified sovietz for mass murdering ethnic minorities. "Nordic systems are NOT hypercapitalistic the United States is." Look at economic freedom index. Nordic systems provide more free market than USA.
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@iwantabetterworld2773 He doesn't want to cover taxes or economy because it would prove his world view wrong. Finland is basically hypercapitalist nation with low regulations and low corporate taxes. We don't believe in communist non-sense of "eat the rich".
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@EllaKarhu Lol strong leftists xD Right wing won the civil war and lefties were thrown behind the Sauna. Our welfare state was maintained with free market capitalism and low corporate tax rate. Lefties wanted to destroy the country and turn it into shithole like venezuela.
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@kevchard5214 lol left wing in USA have literally been praising brutal dictators and systems that they led.
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@kevchard5214 Funny since last time I checked he was making brutal dictators like Kim and Khina angry. Started trade war with them and you guys were panicking that he will start nuclear war with N-Korea. You're as delusional as ruzzkiez about the state of the world.
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@myfaceismyshield5963 Not true, actually most taxes go to healthcare and social services. You can literally look this up from the debt watch. USA's military is actually pretty small if you take into account that it's made out of 50 different states. Even if you would totally abolish your military you still wouldn't be able to pay for finnish system being implemented in your country. Value? Rofl... if eating turd is value for you.
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@kevchard5214 I guess 4-years old is already smarter than you. Fox news? Lol what? I live in Finland, they don't show fox news here. Unlike you I'm not some partisan hack.
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@myfaceismyshield5963 Then stop acting like you have IQ less than 40
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@hassanbayomy7566 did I claim it's?
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@rafm3068 Rofl what a delusional take. Nordic system provides free healthcare only for the unemployed. Everyone else pays like in USA.
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@rafm3068 while no universal healthcare the healthcare for poor is still paid for them. In fact USA spends more on healthcare than any other country on this planet. Murican's only pay high price due to government regulations. If you actually read statistics related to price you can see that it inflated the moment government started to intervened with healthcare. In fact it used to be extremely cheap until democrats made it more expensive.
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@rafm3068 Profit margin is only 3% so it doesn't explain the inflated cost. Also economic freedom index shows that nordic countries have less regulations than USA. This is way too easy.,
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@rafm3068 so they would happily have lower regulations on corporations and less taxes on corporations?
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@rafm3068 are you a bot or something? You keep repeating things I have already refuted. Effective tax rate is even lower in nordic countries. Also these systems don't work. Their governments are swimming in debt even though they aren't even fighting in a war. No system that relies on takign debt to pay it's spending isn't working system. Bernie doesn't support nordic model, he cherry picks it. It's virtually impossible to fund such model in USA. It works mostly because there are only couple million people in each of those countries with extremely strong economy.
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@rafm3068 rofl you're raging so hard right now. Again you literally advocate for system that is impossible for your government to spend money on. Even if you taxed 100% of the rich people, stole all of their wealth and abolish army... you still couldn't afford it.
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@rafm3068 rofl you act exactly like the person you say that I would be. I'm not even republican. I'm Finnish man :D Unlike you i actually understand economics and this system. You still fail to provide math on how the heck you would be able to pay double of the current USA spending in each year xD
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He is literally a shill
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@jimcarrington6744 speaking facts= troll? Lol typical far leftie. Move to russia. That ia the future you're advocating. Future of totalitarianism
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@jimcarrington6744 Sorry but it's not an opinion when you can literally compare prices between countries. What a low IQ take from far leftie...
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@daniellarson3068 He literally belongs to the 1% that he wants to kill. You're talking in comparison that it's not a lot in compared to someone else but he is still filthy rich.
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@oldtimer7635 bernie hates NATO and loves ruzzkiez
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@oldtimer7635 speaking truth = Trolling? Man you socialists are getting desperate. How many times communism and socialism needs to fail until you learn?
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@jeffreyhanc1711 Rofl Bernie is literally most corrupted politician in USA. Guy has been caught on selling votes and lying to his voters.
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@thx1138sixnine Seems like you have no clue what you're talking about. USA never invaded Syria. They were there fighting back against terrorist organization, not to fight against Syrian government. Palestinians started every conflict against Israel. Iraq was already warmongering country, don't pretend as if it was peaceful utopia. Finnish people have more of a gray/lightbrownish hair than blond. You're so racists that you mix up swedish people with Finish
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@ullasofia9432 during elections of course. He uses his wife's company to get donations from politicians and after that he endorses candidate X in order to sell left wing votes to the democrats.
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@ullasofia9432 There are document about it and of course it's not illegal. Donating to someone's wife's organization isn't illegal activity. He has been called out for it but it isn't illegal. But it's still clear corruption regargless is it legal or not.
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@ullasofia9432 whole point is that he is corrupted politician who is selling votes indirectly.
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@ullasofia9432 it's not mild. It's serious case of corruption but it's just legal due to there being third party as broker.
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man what a low IQ take. Labor movements didn't force capitalism in Finland. Capitalists did crush the reds in civil war and labor parties are known to be most corrupted parties with strong ties to ruzzkiez. Finland got here through hard work and free market capitalism. Things that you people have phobia.
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@4nlimited3dition_4n3d You don't know what you're talking about if you think it's balance of both. Finland is more capitalist than USA.
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@eeromarttinen5372 Nope he actually has stronger understanding than you. Everyone who studies economy understands that countries flourish with free market capitalism .There isn't a single country on history of this planet where free market being implemented didn't end up massive growth, less corruption and overall better quality of life for the poor. I have followed global politics and it's extremely naive to call Finnish right wingers ans left wingers in USA. We have nothing in common. Left wingers in USA are flat out communist and far leftists. In Finland they are soft capitalists. "We got here through heavily regulated capitalism. " Flaout out wrong, you should actually compare the amount of regulations each country has. Nordic countries have small corporate taxes and very low amounts of regulations.
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@MayorOfKenya2222 They should've just thrown them all to ruzzia. Also understatemetn? More like over statement. Lefists at the time where inhumane monsters and should've been jailed for life if you actualyl read about the war crimes they committed. Left wing = non-human. Need to be born psychopath to support left wing ideology.
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@Rypsolisti How to say that you never read economics or history of finnish economy without saying it... Rypsolisti you have no clue about subject. The crisis that Finland had at the time was literally caused by over spending and it was solved by cutting spending. We almost had same situation but Keskusta did massive cuts last time to save Finland from starvation.
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@EnGammalAmazon There is different mind set. People who move to another country are cowards who will never bring prosperity. While people who stick to their country and focus on improving them end up being the ones who make the change for better. Rest of the finnish population were very conservative and wanted to improve their country through nationalism (Gosh scary word for leftists). Results can be seen now.
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@baverfjant You don't know what social democracy is if you think nordic model is it. Fun fact... one of the top index all nordic countries are part of is economic freedom one.
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@baverfjant Oxford defination: a socialist system of government achieved by democratic means. Nordic countries aren't socialist. Means of productions are still done by private sector and they aren't heavily regulated either. Welfare state doesn't mean socialism. With your reasoning every country on history of this planet was socialists if you're going to use that as an argument.
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@Rypsolisti Because government was backing up loans. Which made bankers to make risky investments because they knew that government would bail them out as they had already promised so. It's literally caused by government intervention. So your low IQ comment is just hilarious.
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@Rypsolisti the insult was remark in the end of the comment. It didn't say anything about quality of my argument which I stated before. While talking about arseholes... you're literally advocating for system that would have the lower classes to eat grass and pets of their friends. Also you just made ad hominem. You disregarded argument and went for the person :) Thus I conclude this as a win for capitalism and loss for heartless lefties.
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@baverfjant literally first results for "definition for social democracy" So keep on lying leftie "" Yes that's exactly what I said. " Nope, you said that welfare is socialism. You were implying that it's socialist feature. When only socialist feature is workers/state owning means of productions.
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@leyniaLip very
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Finland doesn't have free healthcare. You still need to pay. Plus it's poor quality, you end up dead before you get real treatment.
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@MarkusKiili man you really have low IQ do you? I literally stated that it's cheaper in Finnish private clinic than in USA
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@wiltzu81 I literally live in Finland and you just keep proving my point. In Finland costs are cheaper because unlike in USA. It seems that your IQ is too low to even get my point. Which is why you ironically keep constantly proving it. USA's healthcare is only expensive because government intervention, it could be even cheaper than in Finland if they didn't have left winger goverment in USA dictating on how much healthcare should cost. Edit: Oh and to point out... AGAIN PRIVATE SECTOR IS 100X CHEAPER IN FINLAND THAN IN USA. Government isn't paying private sector costs with taxes. bloody low IQ left wingers...
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@wiltzu81 TLDR fallacy just being commited. You wrote up huge wall of text which is basically nothing but gish gallop of trying to overhwhelm your opponent with non-sensical and irrelvant claims. Again private sector in Finland doesn't get benefits from taxes. You fail to make case that cost is the same in Finland but taxes hide it. Not just that but you fail to take into account that by law in USA you're forced to take health insurance. Which also inflates the prices.
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@leiflillandt1488 yes they buy services because public healthcare is incompetent. "Finland could spend less money on its defence!" The amount being spend is still just small fraction from the GDP it's delusional to think it would be enough to cover welfare parasites.
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@rafm3068 You don't know what socialism is if you think Finland as socialists. We killed all the socialist after they experienced humiliating defeat in civil war. Finland has no love for far left and as society we have viewed them as eternal enemy that needs to be purged.
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@rafm3068 Same party in germany ended up ruining germany and that is objective fact.. Also they are not more left than US democratic party. It's actually very conservative read the actual history of the party. " they are MORE Socialistic " What a low IQ take. As I said you do not understand what socialism is if you confuse welfare system to it. I guess you thought that ancient rome was socialist for giving free bread?
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@rafm3068 Not true, most of USA healthcare including private one are heavily regulated and controlled by the federal government. They are privat ein name only. "hat does NOT have Universal Healthcare" That is not argument to have it also no you're wrong. Finland for example doesn't have universal healtcare. You do not understand the concept if you think that other countries have it.
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@rafm3068 Finland is not social democratic country, we killed them in civil war and laughed on their graves. "Bernie supports the Nordic system" he doesn't since nordic system is having lot of freedom for business and low tax rate for them as well. Nordic systems are hypercapitalistic countries that pay their welfare system through lower and middle-class. Not by leaching off from the business. Bernie has openly supported and advocated several far left dictatorships that are now eating their own pets for hunger. What a low IQ take from typical murican.
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@ahtoapajalahti1333 Lol public sector literally has more funds than private one. It's just that those funds are always wasted and there isn't single time in human history where public sector is more efficient than private one. This applies to literally anything. This is because public sector doesn't care about being efficient but care more about wasting. They get more funds the more they waste. Business men get more rich the more efficient their business is.
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@rafm3068 Man another low IQ take from you. Again Nordic countries are actually catering for libertarians. As Libertarian who lives in Finland I can confirm this. You know nothing of nordic countries if you view them as some sort of socialist paradise that Bernie advertises. These countries are in fact nothing that he actually would want to see. He is delusional enough to think that this sort of system can be funded by milking the rich, even though mathwise it's not possible. "income inequality " Why is income inequality bad again? I believe that people who contribute more should earn more.
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@tjmtor He didn't use any fancy words. They are only fancy for someone with IQ of a chimp.
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@rafm3068 Rofl what a LOW IQ take. Real socialist and communists have never been for freedom. They have always in history of mankind resorted in tyranny and dictatorships. Always oppressing people. There isn't single case in human history where this isn't the case and there is a reason for it. They are both ideologically cults that don't believe on letting people do what they want. They all believe in enforcing their own rules for others. "The Nordic System is closer to Socialism and is a Social Democracy " Means of productions are in hands of private sector in Nordic system and state doesn't intervene as much with how business is handled as much as in USA. Heck even corporate tax rate is lower than in USA. By all means nordic systems are giving more economic liberty to capitalists than USA does. So how is that socialist? "trade the U.S. system for the Nordic system today?" If it's implemented exactly like in Nordics then yes. Which means near 0 regulations and extremely low corporate tax rate with loads of loopholes. " U.S. Right Wing Libertarians like you " I'm Finnish man who actually understands Finnish system and has read political theories/history enough to understand what he is talking about. While you're just repeating what some old man who praised brutal mass murderers and their society says to you. Even prime minister of Denmark told to Bernie that he should stop lying about their system. They are free market economy not socialist one.
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@tjmtor Yes and as I explained several times here. It's because government forces people to have insurance and is heavily regulating the industry which will inflate the prices high. Evidence of this is that in Finnish system private healthcare doesn't cost nearly as much as in USA. Not just that but there is actual price statistics over how it has risen up over the time whenever government has intervened in healthcare. For low IQ person such as yourself the short version to explain extremely complicated story like this would be: Government intervention is the reason why healthcare is so expensive in USA, same applies to their schools.
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@rafm3068 Irrelevant who disagrees with me in this comment section. This is bernie's video and people equally ignorant and bubbled from reality watch it. What you did is known logical fallacy as argument from popularity. "Socialists and even Communists were against " I don't see how stalin is relevant to this. You think Stalin was only dictator? Again name single socialist or communist self-proclaimed society that wasn't oppressing or murdering people who didn't think like they did. "Libertarianism began and has always been Communist" Again not true, both communism and socialism require enforcement of rules through force. They do not believe that individuals have right to choose on their own. "The Nordic System may not be full regulation Socialism but it is more Socialistic " Economic freedom index disagrees. "Socialism to you only.means Stalinist" Nope, it means economic model where ownership of means of production in private sector has been abolished. Aka public ownership of means of productions. Finland and other nordics aren't even close to that. The fact that you keep insisting that charity is socialism just speaks out that you don't even know what socialism is. Ironically you have the american view of what is socialism. "This is why progressives in America would.gladly trade the U.S. " None of them would be for cutting down regulations by 80% and vastly decreasing income tax and corporate tax. "welfare programs like Universal Healthcare" We don't have universal healthcare, don't confuse universal healthcare to publichealthcare. "more union representation meaning higher wage" HAHAHAHA what a clown take. Wages are literally higher in states than in Nordic countries. "And there are regulations and checks to corporate power in Nordic nations." Less than in USA.
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@rafm3068 no we don't you don't know the term. "t is very relevant because everyone replying to you is SMARTER" Wow the arrogance, I have done actual official IQ test and score is 154. Very unlikely that you're even near taht. Coining the word doesn't mean that it applies to him. Joseph Dejacque was for murdering those who don't agree with him, thus claiming that he is libertarian would be oxymoron and direct contradiction.
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@rafm3068 You're literally arguing something that most economists agree with. You're basically flat earthist right now. "People have to worry less about survival" Not true, doctors here are incompetent and waiting lines long. Since you have never been here then you have no clue about the reality. In Finland people always go to private doctor if they want to survive from dangerous disease. Unions are basically mafia that is blackmailing. In fact they are usually friends with corporations and turn workers into slaves. Objective fact btw. For this reason in USA people actually have higher wages than in Finland. "Everything you wrote is lies and misrepresentation buddy" I literally live in Finland so I'm pretty sure I'm more informed than some bernie fanboy. " This comment section is not just Bernie Supporters " Video is from bernie's channel. Anyone with brains should comprehend that most people viewing the video are bernie cultists. "You are getting ripped to shreds in the comment section." Oh the irony..: I have destroyed each and every argument made by you cultists.
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@rafm3068 What makes you think I'm here to convince cultists? You can try to argue against reality as much as you want but it won't change anything. you don't understand finnish system. You do not know how we pay our healthcare system nor do you know how well it actually functions. In fact it's highly discriminatory toward poor people since the quality of service is better if you live in rich neighborhood. And you can talk about my IQ as much as you want but it doesn't refute the fact that the score is 154. I'm literally qualified to be called as genius so :D
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@rafm3068 lol cultists? You do realize that far left was literally founded as a cult at start? Even marx's books are written like religious manifesto. No clue why you go about trump none of that has nothing to do with anything I have said about finnish system.
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@tjmtor use google. All I need to say to refute your non-sense is that... health insurance in private sector in Finland is cheaper and your IQ isn't high enough to comprehend reason for it. Also stop lying I checked your name.
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@rafm3068 welfare state isn't considered as far left. it's considered as stupid policy but not as far left. and it has nothing to do with socialism but stupid spending by government that goes to feed parasites that will never contribute to the society. "All we are saying is taking the Nordic System AS IT IS TODAY," So low corporate taxes and non-existent regulations?
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@tjmtor Lol you actually used your real name on youtube? You're the guy who looks like mentally handicapped Jammu aka Peterfile (say it outloud and you get what I mean)
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@rafm3068 again you don't understand anything said to you. You say you want nordic system but you don't understand how it's funded nor how it would cost. I doubt any progressive would like to pay it from their own pockets while coporations get no regulations and have low taxes. ""Parasites" the vocabulary" Nope just giving dictionary definition. Parasite is someone who lives off from others without giving anything back.
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@rafm3068 Just because some consider it as far left it doesn't mean that it's. Also your multiple responses instead of singular comment proves that your IQ is actually very low and you're emotionally unstable person. Because you can't even calm down and write single response, but instead spam multiple ones in hurry. And again, I don't see you defending lowering taxes for the rich and removing regulations. The day that you do is the day you support nordic model.
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@drimms8060 Healtcare industry in USA is one of the most regulated healthcare industries on the planet. It's delusional to think otherwise. You do realize that profit margin is only 3%?
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@saastohaaste which leads to another topic that is not mentioned. Brainleak and the fact that all the people who get doctor's degree in Finland generally end up moving elsewhere. Since they will have better pay. Thus we have shortage with competent doctors. Witchdoctors are common
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@ullasofia9432 no it isn't excellent. I have seen several false diagnosis, and voodo doctor advice from supposed "high quality public doctors". Not just that but they have been caught on murdering patients and getting away from it because there is no proper way to punish anyone in public sector. If you actually have taken private doctor for once you can see that difference is huge. They actually care about you while public doctor sees your existance as nuisance. Of course you don't have to use private service in Finland as long as you want to live or avoid permament damage from incompetent buffoons and long waiting lines.
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@ullasofia9432 getting permit to not go to work for having flu hardly counts as something that you would need a doctor with 9-years of degree. All the good doctors moved out from Finland due to low salaries. I have witnesssed several people who I know being died or mistreated by finnish healthcare system. So you're flatout lying. Heck there are many times in year being reports about doctors and nurses abusing their patients.
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He is not fighting for fair society. He wants to have another totalitarian nightmare. This is literally what he has been advocating for all of this life. Totalitarian left wing society where everyone who disagrees with him is killed.
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@mnbvcxzlkjhgfdsapoiuytrewq it's the truth. So far he has been advocating and praising every far left leader known from mass murder
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@ziwuri Troll? I have been stating here objective facts. "isn't part of true Marxism." Seems like you have never read his theories or manifesto. He was literally advocating for dictatorship highly centralized system where politicans become the new feudal lords and rule over the masses. There is a reason why every communist attempt has always ended up the same.
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@ziwuri neither, its the truth. He praised soviet union, castro and current dictator of Venezuela
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@ziwuri So what? So praising mass murdering dictators is a good thing? Imagine Trump praising Hitler and you would lose your marbles.
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@ziwuri Lol you're liking your own comments, now that is embarrasing. It's not strawman argument to point out objective facts. He has literally praised most brutal regimes in human history.
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@ziwuri rofl it's embarrasing. Everyone respects their own opinion by default. Reason why you like your own opinions is to gather some "credibility" of having someone to agree with your non-sense. it's all there black and white you can google. He has praised soviet union that was far worse than what nazies were.
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@LRRPFco52 yep, for example he totally ignores how Finland pays this system and how tax system works in here. He would be terrified to find out that in comparison to USA Finland is more free market capitalist society than USA.
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@LRRPFco52 real estate really isn't what free markets are about. Look at corporate tax rate and you will change your opinion.
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@LRRPFco52 not really, Real estate isn't really bringing more value to the society. It's favorite place to invest for home owners because it's relatively safe and there is a growing bubble. just like it's top industry in china. But it doesn't actually make any more production facilities. Finland is not going to sell billions or trade with foreign countries by investing in real estate. Anyone with IQ more than 60 knows this.
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@LRRPFco52 again irrelevant no foreigner buys houses from finland. Aka they do not produce growth just houses to live in
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@LRRPFco52 and you just proved my point correct. Houses meant for living. That is not going to increase finnish competition globally. Its a buble just like in khinese housing bubble that just bursted.
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You forgot that the country is in huge debt even without waging wars otherside of the planet.
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@8xottox8 do the math the portion from your taxes will never cover the education cost you took in Finland. I have done the math but you clearly haven't.
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@EnGammalAmazon Sweden is left wingers nightmare. Less regulations and corporate taxes.
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@8xottox8 low iq take. You assume that all of your tax money goes to education even though its only small fraction of it. Also salaries in Finland are small.
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@8xottox8 You just don't get it do you? First of all the whole point was to show that it's netloss to the society to educate you for "free". Were not getting it back in future taxes. Second, in reality this "free education" is only for people from wealthy families who could already pay their children's education anyway. But in nordic model it's the poor families who pay the education of rich kids who can look down on them. Someone who went to trade school doesn't benefit from you acting all high and might for wasting 9-years in university. "50€ to buy food, and you pay that back to me, am I obligated to use that 50€ to again buy food?" This doesn't follow the logic at all. Your example is terrible. It's more like that you're being invested 50e and you're expected to pay that 50e back and hopefully with interest. In reality you're not paying that 50e back. "Median pay in Finland is 42k" Rofl lol what? Stop lying, average bus drives, cleaners, teachers, cashiers doesn't even come close to that. "but we certainly pay a lot of taxes from it" Not enough to cover the loses we spend to rich kids like you.
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@8xottox8 That's funny because actually people who study economy are agreeing with me. In this case you're by definition a biggot. First of all you're wrong median income in Finland isn't as high as you claim. 3314 euros per month is the current one. It doesn't come close to the yearly salary you claimed. second you have no clue about brackets in income taxes. The 30% you mentioned isn't the case for people with mediam income. I literally earn more than that and I don't pay as high taxes as you claim I should. "It is not a net loss any more than running the rest of our society is. " you clearly don't understand math. You spending on total 6-9-years in university would be according to your own math in total of 60-90k. Then you should take into account how much of your taxes goes to actually the education. If I remember right Yle used to have calculator for this years ago. It literally easily takes many decades before people can pay back and in those cases they would need to be in high salary fields in the first place. Which are not common in Finland. "Your whole cry session about rich families" Cry? It's objective fact Finnish people keep track on people's backround and make statistics regarding on how many people from certain backrounds got into universities. You would need to be highly delusional and naive to think that someone from poor family can compete with someone from rich family when it comes to entrance exams to the law school for example. You do realize that wealthy people actually pay for private teachers to coach those rich kids to law schools? Entrance requirements are ridiculously high in those schools. Sure you can easily get to some schools which won't pay you much in future, but to actually get into higher income brackets... well good luck with that. With humanity studies you never get there. This is something that people with low IQ such as yourself fail to understand. The entrance exams are not fair and about 95% of the time only families from rich backround get in. Rest 5% would need to be highly driven people without any personal life and would need to dedicate every waking hour in reading and preparing for exams.
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@8xottox8 I came to tell objective facts that the amount of taxes they will earn will never pay back the amount of money that Finnish people paid for his future. I don't see how that makes someone a biggot. However what you said about capitalists sure does make you one. "The median pay you state is higher than the one I stated" I'm pretty sure you don't even know what median pay is.... "I also don't have to take into account how much money goes into education, " You should when the subject of discussion is that will he ever be able to pay back the investment our country made for him. Our government is literally functioning on loses right now, which is not sustainable practice. "Your worldview is incredibl" Rofl your insults about my world views tells a lot about how emotionally immature you are. "You really don't have to be a rich kid and go to prep school to get into universities. " This speaks out about your ignorance. I actually knew people who tried to go to law school both rich and poor. Guess which one got inside in exams? You clearly don't even understand finnish system. Not everyone gets into school. People have to compete for the spot and the one who has most income and stable family can prepare the most. Which is almost always the rich families. " But if you want to get into IT for instance you just need to walk in and just like that you make good money." Not true, statistics disagree with you in here as well. However it's still easier than in law school. But the thing is... you don't need to waste 6-years of nation's tax money to get into IT field. It's actually field which people can study independently for free or for low prices. Studying programming doesn't really demand you to go to college. So IT as example from your case is actually bad. IT just proves that you're wasting society's money on something that you could literally get free if you're doing it on your own. Also I haven't deleted my comments. It's most likely you or your friends who false flag them so they are shadow removed.
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@8xottox8 meds, it's just a fact that youtube removed them. Also I see that some of your comments have been removed. The fact that you feel the urge to insult me in every comment of yours proves that you're way too emotional and biggoted to have this conversation with anyone. I didn't complain about rich kids, I just pointed out that poor familes are literally paying education of rich kids in Finnish societies. Without ever seeing any benefits for themselves. " The ones that wanted to get in. " You don't try to get in if you want and I highly doubt your story. It's well established fact that only small fracture of applicants get inside to law schools in Finland. "Please spend more than a minute to think about the taxes being divided" I have literally made the math about this. Objectively speaking you will never pay enough taxes to ever cover your expenses to finnish society. This is literally the reason why our government is in debt and debt keeps rising. "such as the military or the income for politicians." Military is investment to safety, income for politicians is because it's literally their job to vote and draw laws. These are not comparable to free education. "Paying taxes towards that is still you paying back that investment that the government made on you when it paid for your school. " Sorry but I'm not getting anything for you going to med school or law school. There is literally no gain from me that I wouldn't gain if the schools weren't free. You're just rich kid crying that you should pay for education, instead of some poor family who can barely feed their kids. "You can study law for absolutely free as well though. " Actually you can't. Regulations, you can read the books but in order to get jobs related to that you would need to have certain degrees or licenses. Also not comparable to IT, one can easily prove that they know their stuff in IT.
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@moya9450 If price of being in university is 10k euros per year. Then average person who get's degree would be using 60k of poor people's money to get a degree. Then average for someone who gets a degree in Finland would be somearound 3k per month. Their income tax would be around 18%. From that tax only small fraction would be going to education. So lets put it this way... these people would be paying back to government around 100 euros per YEAR. Sorry to break this to you... but Finnish people don't live long enough to ever pay their higher education back. This society runs on loss and eventually we will all starve when it hits us.
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@moya9450 its poor people's money. In Finland most tax revenue comes from lower classes. Also your math is off. You assume that every tax coin you put will go to education
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@moya9450 Again your math doesn't add up. This system haven't even worked. We have several times done drastic cuts in welfare and education spending whenever they were about to collapse our entire nation. Now were taking debt to sustain unsustainable practice. I have actually done calculus about this and answer is no. This is nothing but a ponzi scheme. There is no investment being returned nor any profit in it. As I had said, the taxes you pay per month doesn't go entirely to education. It's split to different places and functions. Only SMALL FRACTION. Yle literally had made calculus for this: For someone who lives in Helsinki and earns 3000. Only 736e in year would go to pay the upper-level education. So if estimated cost for studying in university of Helsinki would be 10per Year... and in order to actually get meaningful degree you need to spend 6-years... 60 000 divide by 736 that would make 81 years paying taxes after getting your degree. Sorry but no one lives nor works that long in Finland. " Poverty is way more in capitalist countries" Statistics disagree, Capitalism has single handedly reduced poverty more than any other system on the planet. "Also those poor people you are talking about have equal chance to use this free education benefit." No they don't. They can't get into schools. They have to compete with rich kids with private tutors. "If it was like US they could never think of having high educations and good jobs." Not true, army exists and people literally have public schools in USA.
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@moya9450 I literally live in Finland and my source is government's own media paper. These things are in black and white. Were literally taking debt to pay welfare spending. That is OBJECTIVE FACT. It's also objective fact that someone who goes to university will most likely never pay back to the society the investment that society had made on them.
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@moya9450 You're literally the only one denying the scientists and economists opinions right now. It's there in black and white. Finnish government is in debt. That alone proves that current spending budget is not sustainable
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@moya9450 Tottakai mä oon suomesta, mutta sä et selvästikkään ole kun tommoisia valheita päästelet suustasi. And since you probably miss out my first reply: You're literally the only one denying the scientists and economists opinions right now. It's there in black and white. Finnish government is in debt. That alone proves that current spending budget is not sustainable Simply put.. you have no statistics on your side, they are on my side. Finnish government is in debt. That is not sign of successful model, but way to starvation in long run.
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@moya9450 rofl you keep false flagging my comments in order to remove them. As I said Finland is hypercapitalist nation. We have less regulations than USA and lower corporate taxrate. If you look at economic freedom index you can find out that actually capitalist countries are the ones with least poverty and the socialist and communist ones have highest. I'm talking about facts that are here in black and white. You're just spouting far left propaganda without understanding the statistics.
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@moya9450 rofl you keep false flagging my comments in order to remove them. As I said Finland is hypercapitalist nation. We have less regulations than USA and lower corporate taxrate. If you look at economic freedom statistics you can find out that actually capitalist countries are the ones with least poverty. I'm talking about facts that are here in black and white. You're just spouting far left propaganda without understanding the statistics.
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@moya9450 ACtually people can false flag to make them removed. Very common practice among left wingers. Also it's not against youtube's comment policies to be arrogant. Worse... you're only one actually acting arrogant in here. I literally have refuted all of your claims and even mentioned sources for mine. Meanwhile you arrogantly claim that science is on your side without ever saying a single source for your claim or for any that would contradict mine. " You are that much child that look at educational system as profitable shop" This is example of you being arrogant. You're insulting by calling me as a child. While putting yourself on above me. This is perfect example of arrogance. Also I never called education system as a shop. However it should be expected that people would return the investment to the society that society has made to them. Otherwise the society will run on loss. Which is not sustainable way to run society. "hey should put on police and judgment systems or even prisons. " All systems that are actually government's job to take care and highly important. People can pay their own higher education. What you don't see is that you're forcing lower working class workers to pay education for some elitists snobs who could've paid their own education anyway. "Every Finnish person or even others know exactly how great Country Finland is" Pretty sure that most americans would say same about their country or north koreans as well. This is argument from popularity and it doesn't make it true. "poverty in US is less than Finland " Finland is more capitalistic than US. You do realize that USA also has welfare system?
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@8xottox8 SEems like my response to you was removed. I can't post links on youtube without them removing my comment in response. I already named the sources and you're free to use google. You know... thing they teach you to use in schools. Different countries have debt for different reasons. OTher countries having debt isn't justification for us to have as well. Since it just proves that our system is not sustainable. What do you think will happen when debtors realize that we can't or we won't pay debt back? Learn some basic math and economics. People like you are the reason why world has so much suffering. Because you fail to look at how world functions in reality.
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@moya9450 first of all trying to appeal to "public humiliation" online when both are anonymous is just silly and absurd. Second, only one humiliating himself in here is you for failing to actually address any of my arguments. In fact nothing in your current comment actually addressed anything I had said, but instead was filled with strawmen and insults.
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@moya9450 Pretend to be victim? It's objective fact that you're throwing insults instead of addressing any of my arguments. This proves that you're way too emotional and incapable to conduct intellectual conversation about politics and economics. "conspiracy theories" Umm what? I haven't made a single conspiracy theory here. I have simply pointed out that finnish government is in debt and that when math is taken into account the "free education" doesn't actually pay back to the system.
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@moya9450 I have used google, but you have failed to citate even single one of the academic resources regarding to this. While I have given sources for my claim. This tells all about you as a person.
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@moya9450 Objectively speaking you're wrong. I have several times provided academic sources to you. Meanwhile you have failed to name a single study that proves that Finland doesn't have debt and that education pays itself back.
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@moya9450 again I named several of them and you false flag all comments with them. There is literally index related to economic freedom google it up. Meanwhile you haven't citated a single study. I googled and found nothing that would be proving your point.
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@moya9450 As I said, I literally live in Finland so I highly doubt they would filter search results. Googling about "greatness of finland" is different from googling is it in debt and how it's economics function. This is something that you're literally incapable to fathom. Calm down? Lol I'm calm, but the fact that you spam insults and messages implies that you're not calm.
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@eevilauntie Rofl... how to say that you have never been in Finnish school. It doesn't promote critical thinking, it does promote being submissive sheep. You don't get grades by being smart and critical thinker in Finnish schools. You get grades by following what you're told and memorizing the text. "And nation states are not corporations that exist to make a profit " Not true. Nation that is ran on loss will end up in bankruptcy just like corporations. Goal of any nation would be increase the prosperity of the nation and that can only be done by carefully managing the economics and the spending of the nation. If we thought like you do then we would be eating grass. Because the very argument you're using now, was same argument used in failed economies before they collapsed. "hey exist to protect the welfare of their citizens." How citizens are suppose to do well if government runs out of money? "Even if it puts them in debt." How long do you think you can live on debt before debtors realize that you have no intention to pay it back?
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@moya9450 all she said was bunch of non-sense that isn't tied to reality.
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@moya9450 i already proved that i live in Finland by speaking it fluently and even in helsinki dialects. And you haven't posted a single video in here
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@moya9450 there was no 5 links only link in this comment im replying to and it doesn't even address any of the arguments i had made. It doesn't refute the fact that finnish government is paying all of this borrowed money. It doesn't address that its not sustainable to pay education with debt. Nor does it address that it won't return the investment to the society. We would have as many educated people even without free education in upper schools.
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@moya9450 lol what? I'm literally very popular with ladies, know how to dance and sing. Earn lot of money and have plentiful friends. "very painful life" man you're really grasping straws. As I said I'm Finnish man and I already proved it by writing in Finnish.
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@moya9450 I literally live in Finland. Nothing to to do with region filters. Most likely you have been reported for trolling and such youtube doesn't allow you to link stuff. Anyway the only link you put here about youtube video didn't address any argument of mine. Please provide evidence that finnish government isn't in debt and that free education provides more to the society than it takes.
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@moya9450 Asun suomessa toisin kuin sinä kuka vaa on venäläinen trolli. You haven't posted any videos beside one and it didn't address any of my claims.Rofl you don't even live in Finland. Your channel is filled with Persian and Ruzzian stuff.
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@moya9450 only one trying hard is you. You still haven't refuted a single claim of mine. You haven't refuted the claim that Finland is in debt. You haven't refuted the claim that taking debt all the time is not sustainable. You haven't refuted the fact that it's poor investment for country to pay someone's education due to fact that those people will never pay in taxes it back.
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@moya9450 lol you have been totally destroyed in debate. Come back once you have counter arguments for following claims: You haven't refuted the claim that Finland is in debt. You haven't refuted the claim that taking debt all the time is not sustainable. You haven't refuted the fact that it's poor investment for country to pay someone's education due to fact that those people will never pay in taxes it back.
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@moya9450 projection. Funny that ruzzian is trying to destroy finnish country by making it spend more on stuff that it doesn't need to spend anything on. Also what is more hilarious is that you're liking your own comments xD Pretty sad don't ya think?
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@moya9450 true, you're not reasonable person, which is why you refuse to actually engage with ideas and instead resort to insults. There is no way person like you could ever live in Finland, no one would be friends with someone like you.
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@moya9450 sounds like a lot of projection from someone who lives under brutal dictatorship that kills schoolgirls for not wearing certain costume
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@moya9450 and none of them could refute a single point made by me. Literally none of them addressed debt issue and the fact that country will be bankrupted over time if this keeps going. None of it is bs but pure facts. Also many people disagreeing with me doesn't make them right. People used to think world as flat and disagreed with person who said it wasn't.
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@moya9450 I never said that Finland isn't top countries on the world. You're doing strawman argument. I said that the free education isn't sustainable and nor is it the cause for why Finland is top one.
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@kvakq Name a fact that needs a source. "Average yearly income in Finland is over 40" This is blantantly false and you can even google it. I did look it up and it was way lower. Even in case if people would earn that much in average it still wouldn't give enough taxes. Let's see Helsinki has one of the highest tax rate. And 40k a year... Would make salary of 3333 a month... sorry to break this to you.. but no one from the basic working class earns that much. 2500 is something what teachers earn. Basic handiman get's something around 1800 a month. But let's see 3333 euros a month. Would be 837 of your yearly tax money going to upper education. This takes into account the taxes your employer has to pay for you as well. So... 60 000 divided by 837 that would make 71 years to pay back to the tax payers. You do realize that in Finland retirement age is 65? " it would not make any sense to pay for people that go to school if they would not pay that back by taxes. " Thank you for agreeing with me. Current system is non-senseical and the ones who benefit from it are upper elite and not the poor working class people who have to pay the education for elitists who will never contribute to the society what they took from it. " Ofcourse you would not pay it back because your education level is so low that you cant get a job." Lol what? You clearly don't live in Finland. I have low education and I earn more than your typical higher educated person in Finland. I'm literally part of the upper-middleclass.
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@kvakq I have literally done official IQ test and I have IQ of 154... so good luck trying to insult me on regarding IQ. I take the tests results over your petty insult after being humiliated in debate. I didn't just say "you're false." I did provide math calculus and the numbers are based on Ylen verolaskuri. Which for English speaker means Yle's taxcalculator. Yle in case you didn't know is government's own media outlet that reports news. In otherwords my sources are official government provided. Unless you have something better as source then please learn to be humble and admit your loss.
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@kvakq "communicating that they are finnish " Not true, he literally said here before that he is from Iran. If you look at his channel it's filled with arabic videos in his playlists. Him using insult words that can be easily googled isn't same as him being finnish. Not just that but he couldn't understand a single word I said to him in Finnish earlier. Seems like your IQ isn't even over 80 if you didn't notice him literally stating that he is from iran. I also love how you ignored the fact that I had named my sources. Google the finnish words I made and you will literally find the results in the front page where you can calculate where and how much your tax money goes. Instead you resort to petty insults just like him... Are you his puppet account?
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@moya9450 Literally? Rofl.. .say guy who isn't even Finnish and can't even talk Finnish. I can speak fluently finnish while you only can google words for clown "pelle". But yeah seems like I were correct. He is you sock puppet account. Which is why he has no activity on youtube and goes around to defend you while writing exactly like you do. So... I had provided my sources to prove that your tax money will never cover the amount of money society spends on your education. Got any other move beside trying to insult me? In fact what do you think you achieve by insulting me instead of addressing my arugments?
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@RobinJansson24 why is it bad that society that takes care of you expect you to integrate to be part of it?
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@RobinJansson24 army, infrastructure, healthcare, education. You're suppose to integrate the society you move in to regardless. It's ridiculous to expect new society to bow down to your whims and customs. You're the guest so you're suppose to learn and respect the customs of the host. I wouldn't go to arabic country and refuse to integrate to their society if I decided to stay there. It's just flat out selfish and illogical. Don't blame Finnish people if you find yourself for having 0 real friends.
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@RobinJansson24 your taxes never cover the amount of what society pays for your existence here. There is even tax calculator regarding to this provided by yle. "hy would I need to be "integrated" into your" Because you live here. Why would you live here if you don't wish to integrate with the society?
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@RobinJansson24 clearly you're just typical a hole for calling thia country as shit. So why even bother to pretend to be human and just leave? Besides if you're together you can move together. And excuses why come here in the first place? Learn to be decent human being. That is finnish culture
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@RobinJansson24 Decent human beings integrate to the society they are part of. By defination you're not decent, especially when you shit on the country you're currently living on. "You're acting like you're in some kinda cult." Hardly a cult to expect that people act according to cultural norms in order not to be disrespectful toward others who live in same region. "but I can't move because his father is Finnish and he goes to Finnish school. " Transfers exists, including in schools to foreign countries. So nothing but excuses. Also You're not even kids father? Rofl... So you're basically being a c_ck and raise his kids. " came here because so I could be with my woman" You two will break up in around 1-4 years anyway. Why tie yourself to single mother. Assuming that you have decent look you could find someone better. "Why do you keep saying that you need to be part of your society to live here?" Being part of the "society" is different from integrating to the culture. You do realize that Finland has introverted nerds as well? They still know how to behave in public places and what to expect from the culture, traditions and laws.
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@RobinJansson24 Angry? Lol what? Is that how you see this? According to studies people mirror their own feelings to the text. I'm not angry but seems like you are if you consider me as angry. All I did was to state objective facts about you and your situation. If that is insulting to you then maybe it's time for change? "This weird response from weird culty Finns is exactly why I don't like your society." Talk about insults when you insults all finns. Pretty racists don't ya think? Also flawed logic. This rule applies to every country. It's expected to everyone who lives within certain countries and cultures to abide by those social rules. Try same in saudi-arabia and you see how culty it can be when you're pushed from the roof by breaking social norms. In Finland no one will just be your friend, since no one likes creeps or rude people. "ou don't understand that you can be a normal person living a normal life without having to be part of the society." You're not a normal person but anti-social with clear signs of psychopathy as well. "And no, we're getting married on our 10th year anniversary " Rofl, 10-years living as a c_ck sure is achievement. What is the opinion of her real boyfriend about this? Did he buy you xbox? "Too many overly sensitive young" I don't think you know what those words even mean. I'm pretty much opposite of what you had insulted about me.
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@RobinJansson24 I didn't get offended of you not liking. I just said that you are way too illogical to even comprehend how stupid it's to complain that you don't like country X while you still live there or even move there in the first place. "What do you think "participating in society" means?" I bet your IQ is too low to even understand what word "integrate" means.
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@RobinJansson24 I got offended? Lol if that makes you sleep any better. Incels stuff? You do realize that word c_ck is not related to incels but real term describing men like you? "Ok, so what do you think "participating in society" and "integrating"" Seems like you don't know what integration means. You could've at least copy paste dictionary definition but as I said... your IQ is too low. Integration: the action or process of successfully joining or mixing with a different group of people. Integrating to society doesn't mean that you need to become extrovert and party every day. It means that you understand the cultural norms and customs and act accordingly when you are in social situations.
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@RobinJansson24 Well you are by definition raising another man's child. "I'm helping her raise HER child." Doesn't make any difference. You're still raising child that is not your own. ", it's my partner's child. " child which she had with another man. Rofl the lengths you go to justify your poor choice of woman. Really usually guys who are incels end up being with single mothers who are desperate for anyone's attention. "You're still desperately avoiding the question." I literally answered to that "question" in my previous comment. You still don't understand what integration means even though I provided dictionary defination of it and explained how it functions in regards of integrating to another society. "What "cultural norms and customs" do you think that I ignore if I say I don't participate in society? " Literally impossible. Are you saying that you're living in your mom's basement and never interact with anyone in outside world? XD
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@RobinJansson24 "I don't mind that it's not my own" Cope harder. " Incels think like that, though." Not really, incels always go for desperate women. " I'm asking you what customs and norms that are important for an immigrant to heed to" Not going to write novel for you. Ask your girlfriends boyfriend ;)
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@Jay_Kay666 "average salary for teachers is around 4000€ " Stop lying.I actually worked early days of my life in public schools. Teachers earned 2500-3200 range. Public sector doesn't pay well and most teachers in finland work in public sector. You're literally lying right now. Also even 4000 isn't enough to cover the expenses to create a teacher.
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We can learn that Finland hates people like Bernie. We fought civil war and second world war against evil men like you.
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