Comments by "Tespri" (@Tespri) on "PragerU" channel.

  1. +TheFinnishSocialist Part 3 "Succeed and avoid labor camp" So now you would put people who's company fails into labor camp? Are you even listening yourself? Why would anyone create a company under such circumstances? Since you don't gain any extra profits from them, and if you fail, then you're turned into slave. "you've merely helped a friend compete and earned pocket money in the process." Friend who in return gives me favors, and thus making me more influential. Since I can use these favors for political gain. "To reach for a political agenda is very likely to be spotted, which I covered earlier." Not really. It's actually very hard to see them. Especially when press is siding with you. First of all you would need to have someone investigating thing full time. There are lot of corruption hidden. Even in our country. It took years to find out some "obvious" political corruption in our country. Years is enough to turn into dictatorship. "Better be careful to have a political agenda as a workers' council. " literally impossible. Humans cannot be objective when it comes to their political views and agendas. "Also be fast, people step out of office and new people are elected constantly." But I will be elected constantly. Thanks to the support of media which is now favoring me and I favor them. Turn limit? Well then I use my influence and create allience with other sociopaths in workers council to create rule that there is no turn limit. This can be done actually pretty easily. Like faking state emergency thus giving excuse good enough not to hold elections for a while. This has been done already several times in mankind's history. "Grab the closest AK-47 and hide in to the shadows! I know the city council is up to something... no, wait, workers' unions too!" Expect you have literally no means to combat against this. Guns are controlled by the council. Unions are also controlled by the council since they decide which unions are allowed to live and which not. Even if they were free, you still hold all the guns and can turn them all into slaves.
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  2. +TheFinnishSocialist Part 4 "You simply refuse to acknowledge the term. Why don't you google "Collective ownership"? Why not google "Forms of ownership"? Why not distinguish public, private and collective from each other?" That is you, not me. I have googled this several times in my lifetime. "Public = Government Private = One entity " False. Private is not one entity. It can be several entities. "Collecive = Always collective. Can be thought of as an entity, yes, but definition doesn't change." And public is always collective. "It's - very - productive" Again, something being productive doesn't determine quality or efficiency. Mao's china created a lot of furnaces and places them on everyone's backyard. Result? Terrible quality of iron and inefficiently produced. Sure they produced lot of iron, but it's quality was so poor that it was non-usable. "Well you can think of it in an individual level. Buy a pickaxe, food, water and a truck with a full tank of gasoline and off you go!" Aka highly inefficient. "Mine that iron ore and smelt it along the collective to make some fine steel. " Do you have any idea how complex process that is and how much knowledge it demands to do any of that? Do you have any idea how much time it takes? This is highly inefficient system that you just stated. "And you base that argument on what?" The very definition on efficiency. First google search Efficient. (of a system or machine) Achieving maximum productivity with minimum wasted effort or expense. Do note, nothing says that it produced a lot, but achieves maximum productivity with least amount of effort as possible. What you just said and suggested, takes large amount of effort and expenses. "but hey I guess doubling the life expectancy wasn't efficient enough" Yeah since let's ignore the context of Soviet revolution happening during WW1 while Russia was struggling against Germany and japan. Having peace after that is bound to lead into economic growth and same with life expectancy. Since you know... People die during war, and there is no resources to build anything that helps economy. "collective is indistinguishable from a private organization" I said that private organization can be collective. "Now you argue that a collective is closely connected with the government" Because government represents the collective. It's the collective. "for the people, by the people". "What if I am? lol" Just surprised, girls almost never debate this long. Word hun really gave you out.
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  3. +TheFinnishSocialist Part 5 This is what marx had said in communist's manifesto "The proletariat will use its political supremacy to wrest, by degree, all capital from the bourgeoisie, to centralise all instruments of production in the hands of the State, i.e., of the proletariat organised as the ruling class; and to increase the total productive forces as rapidly as possible. " Simply put... It's all about centralizing and creating new political class. You really got socialism wrong and badly.
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  4. +TheFinnishSocialist Part 1 "Any public body can try to discriminate people, this isn't just in socialism. " They can only discriminate in places where they hold power. In capitalist country where permits to create business are not needed, government officials and "workers councils" cannot discriminate on that basis. This is why libertarians exists. Because they know that power will always be misused. "It almost seems as if you think this is not criminalized" It almost seems as if you think that no one will do such actions if it's criminalized. If world would work that way, then there would be no crime. " as if these public bodies do not have the same laws as others" You have literally no way of catching them, since they hold all the authorial power. Even if you managed to get them caught, you still lack power to do anything about it. "So a workers' council, decentralized public body" It's no longer decentralized public body when it controls who can create business. That is the most centralized power you can ever give to someone. " job is to hand out building permits and strategically appoint places that is best for the regional economy, representatives are elected every 2-4 years, organized discrimination is punishable by law... yeap, dictatorship confirmed." .... IT will become dictatorship due how much power they have. Got it now. I repeat it... You are basically giving a gun to sociopath who wants to kill you, and you expect that he won't do it because you gave him the gun to do it. That is pretty much perfect analogue of your current reasoning.
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  5. +TheFinnishSocialist Part 2 "assuming you'd ever get that far in the first place." This has been done thousands of times in mankinds history even when there has been anti corruption laws. What makes you think that your system is so perfect that it won't happen again? It always happens when there is too much power in hands of few people. Power to decide who gets to make business and who does not, is astonishingly high amount of power. People would even kill for that level of power. "Your point being?" Point is, since people act however they want regardless of the law. Then what makes you think that law prevents them from doing this? In otherwords outlawing it, won't do anything. Better solution would not to have workers council deciding who can create business and who does not. Because then there won't be any power to be misused.
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  6. +TheFinnishSocialist part 3 "Going as low as ad hominems?" Ad hominem is where you say that someone must be wrong because of their personal trait or history. Statement about someone are not ad hominem arguments, unless you use it as means to state that said person has to be wrong because of it. I have debated my whole life and you clearly don't understand what ad hominem argument is. Also I gave you scientific fact, look it up. Sociopaths are generally the ones who trusts the power of the law the most. Even though they break it whenever they like. They are authoritarians by their nature. "Right, the astonishing amount of power... might as well pay attention, when getting a fishing license too." In order to get fishing license you need to just do a small test and give simple payment. That is not comparable to in order to be allowed to create business. People don't compete with each others to get fishing license, but people do compete in order to create business. Especially when it comes to which part of the land they can build one. This is why your sarcastic joke is simply making you look bad.
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  7. +TheFinnishSocialist part 4 "Risk reward ratio. You'd probably be able to do a few favors, but after that, you're most likely busted." rofl not even close. You're not to get to busted when you basically control everything. Did castro get busted? Did stalin get busted? Mao? Hitler? You're giving the council the power which allows them to turn themselves into dictatorship. Just like people like you gave same amount of power to those famous dictators. "I see it in U.S everyday. " Yet you think that council wouldn't abuse such power. "who'd job is to hand over building permits" Very job which gives you influence enough to control whole system. "You do not control what's going inside companies" Not directly, but you control who gets to create said companies. Giving those places to family members, friends, loyal supporters or people who you have found to have some dirt on them. Gives you enough leverage to control them as you wish. "A decentralized regional structure took over the media?" Yes? Have you actually watched the old newspaper or news from those times? They are full of propaganda just like in north-korea. "Just maybe it had something to do with a higher centralized authority, while preparing for war?" It's as if socialists are prepared to for war 24/7... You never even questioned why soviets ended up being highly centralized country. It was precisely because people like you gave few people enough power for them to take over the whole system.
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  8. +TheFinnishSocialist Part 5 "And how does the law against organized discrimination not apply here? " How can you prove that I'm discriminating? Or that it's even organized? You can't. Also who do you think would enforce such laws? The very people who I'm controlling? "To pick your favorite group, you'd need to discriminate other groups." In such job, you are forced to pick your favorite group. Because only one can have said spot. "- always need a valid sounding excuse for it to reduce suspicion and potential snitching." In soviets they forced people who they dealt with to commit crime. This way if they were to snitch then their crimes would be revealed as well. Also losing your permit is good enough to avoid snitching, and the very fact that you have a friend in higher places who can help you with future projects. And again... As I said... These things would be led by psychopaths, they just love to have friends in higher places. "- always need the whole workers' council to be on your side to reduce suspicion and potential snitching." This is problem how? Sure didn't prevent corruption in china, russia, venezuela, cuba etc.. You do realize that politicians and sociopaths are good at creating connections? " have to avoid too much regional changes, or else a centralized higher authority might suspect something." Higher authority who's pocket I work for or I make that one to work for me. "- would need to complete your political agenda in 2-4 years." Hitler took over Germany in 4-years. People have done this also in days. Also you're now assuming that I wouldn't get re-elected. "fail and you'll be accused of serious treason and be sent to a labor camp with minimal possibility of ever seeing a civilized society again." How is this a problem? People have tried to kill kings and emperors in order to become one, with even worse penalties. No one fears penalties as long as they think they can get away with it.
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  9. +TheFinnishSocialist Part 6. "Get busted within a week. That's way too transparent." Lol, nope. What makes you think so? Clearly our politicians didn't get busted in week for using their political power to achieve personal gains. Heck in USA Hillary never really got busted even though people commonly know that. In fact it's the easiest thing to hide. You have literally no way of knowing when I'm giving someone permit for my political gain. "Get busted immediately" Not really, They will be send to gulag and called as exploiters. Media not giving them any fair say, etc... This already happens in a lot of countries. Yet politicians never get busted. "You need a valid reason and there will of course be laws/policies determining when it's okay to do what you've done. " Police are in my pockets. Also one can frame. It's pretty easy in fact. Also how do you know do I have valid reason or not? You're just a pleb. "which the company's staff knows to be a lie and can prove you wrong with the documents you gave them in the first place of creating the company" How those documents prove me wrong? Giving them permit is not evidence of me committing a crime. You really think that politicians create paper agreement among themselves when they are being corrupted? You do realize, that everything is verbal? Only idiot would create paper contract which would prove corruption. There is literally no point to do so. You create paper contracts only to use them in court as evidence when someone breaks a contract. When there is act of corruption, they don't create paper contracts.
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  10. +TheFinnishSocialist part 7 "Your voice is no more important than that of a citizen's." Clearly it's when I can choose who is allowed to create company and who is not, and to overseer people from exploiting others. "You can't just set up false charges, expecting the local police to break their protocol and this too without anyone suspecting anything." Sure I can, they have been made for thousands of years. Heck in USA they have triad people without fair trial. What makes you think that your system is immune to this? "Assuming bribery is a 100% success rate" When dealing with sociopaths, it's. As long as someone else doesn't offer more than you. "Assuming that those who you do not bribe will not suspect a thing." They can suspect all they want, but without evidence or power they have nothing to say but to cry. "You never got there. Your move." Literally gone there everytime when someone has tried socialism in any form. Heck... just imagine giving the police chief's son or daughter permit to create a business while I tamper with his/her competition. Oh you think police are innocent angels? oh no... People who crave power to abuse, like to go to police force as well. You see higher you are... The more power you have. You know... Like finding out some dirt on politician and then using that to blackmail them. Getting the police and media under you is actually the easiest part. " Usually these people had a tiiiny weeeny more power than just handing out building permits." They didn't begin with that power. They used the power which you support right now, to establish and build up more power. Handing out building permits has a large influence on society. And soviets aren't only example of this. Literally every socialist attempt has been like this. Literally every society where politicians have been given said power, things have ended up worse.
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  11. +TheFinnishsocialist Part 8 "Can't you find any other ways to argue but twisting my words?" You might want to learn to write coherent sentence. Read your text again and you should be seeing your problem. "Succeed and avoid labor camp" Is not an argument. You haven't created system where it's impossible to succeed with it. Therefore you have created system which is highly flawed in beginning with. "The moment you start gaining noticable influence, you get busted." Stalin didn't. Hitler didn't. Mao didn't. Pol pot didn't etc... " Are you even arguing against socialism anymore or are we just speculating what should be done in order to prevent corruption more easily?" You cannot prevent corruption. It's in human nature. There isn't a single institute in history that haven't been corrupted over time. Biggest weakness of socialism is not their lack of understanding of the markets. But how prone they are to corruption and misuse of power. Because they give too much power to certain groups. Like politicians or worker's council. There is a reason why socialist countries have the highest level of corruption in the whole planet. Public officials have too much power. "Keep it in your head and you're fine. Organize discrimination -> gulag." Okay you're part of council. Two groups want to make their own company. Both want the same part of the land. Otherone favors your political views while other one doesn't. In fact their political view is something that you view as extremely disgusting. Now they both have a good idea and seem to be equally talented. Which one will you choose? Obviously the ones you like. Especially if they are your friends. So again... You need to prove that there is organized discrimination and proving such thing is very hard. "You never get to that point of power. And you can have a maximum of two seasons." Two seasons is enough to change the law into something which gives me more seasons. Already forgot how it went in rome? Where power of dictator was about to become power for lifetime instead of couple years? Also I can easily get to that point of power. This has been already done several times in history of mankind. "Self-govern the law and you get busted immediately." Hitler didn't. Stalin didn't etc... You aren't actually providing any arguments or solutions. You are just throwing "but you will be caught by magic man in the sky!" "if you get to give out building permits and have to abide by the law and avoid suspicion, dictatorsip is inevitable to you, wow. " Laws can be changed, the more influence you have over society the more easier it's to change the laws. This is how democratic countries have been turned into dictatorships. I have literally stated the means that people have used in past to achieve all of this. And all you have provided is simply say "you will be caught by magical force". "Watch out, they're everywhere" Do you have any idea how idiotic you sound now. Especially when we have evidence all over the world that there is corruption in every country? Corruption that is barely even ever dealt with. "not only were these done usually by a public body with more power, even non-public bodies have self-organized and created revolutions!" You don't create revolution without having weapons and provisions. Army marches with it's stomach. You hold no facilities which provide food. In order to fight against army, you need weapons. You don't own weapons. Any revolution you try to create, will be stopped by police and the army. You have no means to fight back against them. For this same reason people in north-Korea were never able to rebel against Kim family. Because they had no guns nor food.
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  12. +TheFinnishSocialist part 10 "And collective isn't always public." Correct, but all public is is collective. "ou sure put a lot of effort in that one and decided to ignore the manpower figure (50,000) I gave you, to validate your arguments." I already provided you the very definition of efficiency. Large production number isn't part of it. Your foundry is not efficient. That is why no one bothered to create so big foundry before. Capitalist systems try to be efficient as possible, because that is one of the ways how you win competition. Soviets didn't promote competition, nor efficiency. Which is why they collapsed economically. "Yeah since let's ignore the context of a new civil war on its way, kulaks burning their fields and causing famine, WWII, yeah let's ignore those." Again, they were forced to give their land to the government. So they rather burned them than give to those people. And in Ukraine they were forced to burn by the government. Famine was caused on purpose on Ukraine. This has been documented. Stalin literally wanted to commit genocide on them. "The soviets lost the more of their population during that war than anyone else." That is because they killed their own people and were terrible at warfare. "Average life expectancy STILL went up and population growth STILL went up." Population growth went up everywhere after the war. So did average life expectancy. Correlation doesn't imply causation. You need to take into account other factors. Which you clearly ignored when you made such ignorant comment. "You literally said it the other way around." Nope, never said. I said that ALL public is collective, but only some private are collective. Maybe you shouldn't reply while being drunk? "So this is getting in to semantics again, eh?" no, it's not. Since I have already demonstrated why system you propose is terrible, now I can proceed and argue over that you don't even support socialism because you don't understand what it's. "What is the state of ownership when something is collectively owned, but no government included?" How does state own and administrate something they own? Through a government. Do you even know difference of state and government?
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  13. +ThefinnishSocialist part 11 "Okay, good. Now google "Marxism". Okay, good. I never said they were 100% identical" No they are not, but what you fail to understand that in context of said quote I provided. Marx was talking about socialism. Remember state was suppose to be abolished in communism. "when we're considering an alternative to capitalism" Only reason you hate capitalism is because you don't understand it and you have been fed propaganda by your family your whole life.
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  14. +TheFinnishSocialist There are 11 parts. Ignore the number of parts. There are only several of them due the fact that I like to avoid youtube removing comments. Most of those parts are short and quotes of yourself take some space. It takes far more space to address someone's claims or questions. Also technically you provided 7 parts. Well clearly you aren't motivated enough to defend your belief if reading small parts is too much of an issue.
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  15. +favrell "-workers are allowed to vote for important decisons in companies" That depends highly on what company you're talking about. "-theres wellfare for low income people" There is wellfare in every western country last time I checked. "-the government is democraticly ellected" But government doesn't own or directly control means of productions like under socialism. "-free education" free propaganda.
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  16. +Hakasedess "You yourself are admitting you have to coerce people into doing these jobs," Nope. They are encouraged to take those jobs. Garbage truckers actually earn a lot. Construction workers as well. In reality people get paid good money for taking risky jobs. Or jobs that no one else doesn't want. There is this thing... Called as supply and demand. It applies to workforce as well.
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  17.  @imdreamingofawhite  She said it because she realized that she was wrong but admitting it would get her cancelled.
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  18. +Some Random Person "Workers owning the means of production." How do you expect that to happen in reality? It means that they form government, made by WORKERS. It's like democracy government by the people for the people. This is why literally every socialist and communist revolution always starts by creating new government that decides everything. "And where in the history of Venezuela have the workers OR the government owned the MoP?" In modern history. They have been abolishing private sectors and stealing them to the public. If you had actually read news or history, you would've known this. All major and important industries are owned by venezuela's government. Rest of them are heavily admistrated/regulated by their government. "owns the MoP, the gov basically becomes one big corporate entity." That is socialism/communism for you. Enjoy it ;)
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  19. + ᚫᛞᚱᛁᚫᚾ ᛚᚢᛏᚺᛖᚱᚫᛞᚱᛁᚫᚾ ᛚᚢᛏᚺᛖᚱ "Socialists view this system as an alternative to capitalism and see that capitalism is flawed." They view it as flawed because they don't understand it. Ever noticed how it's young teenagers or young adults who are socialists (in every decade), but not the people who are older? That is because through age they builded up more experience and knowledge to understand how world around them actually works. "eventually the wealth inequality will grow so huge that not only do capitalists create dependency of the government for themselves" You're only dependent on government if you rely on it. Wealth inequality is meaningless. If someone has a painting which value is 10 000 000 that is not away from me. Wealth simply means anything than has value to trade into something. It's not just money as lot of people mistakenly believe. Under capitalist system, people aren't reliant on government to provide anything to them. The opposite, they are more reliant on their own talent and work-effort. "and hence will be able to dictate policies and/or move/sell their companies overseas if the government is disobedient" They used their own resources to create those companies, used their own time and talents to create them. It's up to them how to use said company. It's not right to work under someone, it's a privilege. Ever considered the actual reason why they move companies overseas? Answer isn't as simple as "greed". " they also will inevitably run out of people to exploit." It's not exploit when both sides create willingly an agreement with each others. "I assume that you do not see capitalism as flawed." It sure has some flaws, but it's better than alternative. However those "flaws" depends highly on your values and worldview. "I do assume more certainly that you assume that socialism as a system is doomed to fail" Any system that create highly centralized power structure is bound to fail and become dictatorship. There is a good reason why historically every socialist and communist revolution ended up becoming dictatorships over time. "I do not understand how this system "turns whole population into slaves for the governing body.", but I believe I will get an analysis to that from you as well." Because you're dependent on that organization so badly that they start to exploit you. Let's put it this way. I assume that you have similar line of thinking as I'm but you fail to apply it everywhere. You think that corporations will exploit people because they are in more powerful position? Am I right? What makes you think that same won't happen with government? It's in fact even worse. Since corporations and companies are made out different individuals or group of people who have their own set of values. You're absolutely free to refuse their offer for work and go to work for someone else or work for yourself only. But when it's politicians who control means of productions... Then you have no alternatives. There is no other entity who could provide you work. Since it's outlawed to create your own business. Making things worse... Government also controls the means of distribution of goods. So, they can literally force you to do what ever you want if you wish to have food on your table. Historically they have. Soviets treated their workers like slaves. People were literally chained in their workstations to prevent them from leaving. PS: Neither of you are proletarians. Proletarian is class of people who don't have high level education, who don't have any working skill, and only thing they do in society is simply have babies.
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  20. +ᚫᛞᚱᛁᚫᚾ ᛚᚢᛏᚺᛖᚱᚫᛞᚱᛁᚫᚾ ᛚᚢᛏᚺᛖᚱ "Sorry, I forgot to mention that there's actually one more type of ownership: Personal." Nope, not even that. They give stuff to your personal usage, but they can take it away whenever they like. So it's not really personal, it's merely given to you temporally. For example you cannot own your own house. You must live exactly where your nearest commissar tells you to live. This is if you live under communism. Under socialism. Almost the same thing. House can be considered as means of production. Computer can be considered as means of production. And you're still dependent on politicians. So questions is. Where do you think you will find these perfect angels who really, really think for your best and knows exactly the perfect way to do so? Simply put... You don't. Socialism/communism is all about surrendering every liberty you have to collective few people. It's not progressive in any means. It's most regressive idea there ever is. Going back to time when people were in mercy of the political class. They both are ideologies for the sheeps and slaves. People who lack mental capability to stand for their personal freedom. Those who wish to have some overlord to take care of every issue they have.
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  21. +blitzmaschine " It was the most prosperous period in history," First of all, they went kenynisian. Second of all, no it wasn't GDP doesn't give accurate representation of how prosperous people are. All the resources went to build warmachines that only destroy and get destroyed, it didn't create any sustainable wealth. People who lived in those countries, defiantly didn't live in luxury, since food and other necessities are rationed. "Tax cuts after tax cuts, more deregulation, more privatization and more welfare cuts but the suffering goes on." Meanwhile useful idiots in venezuella increase regulations, taxes, stole private means of productions and turned them into public and addded more to welfare. And whole country collapsed ;) Clearly your ideal system didn't work.
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  22. +European Nihilist Clearly you haven't read communists manifesto. They point out that relationship of parents and child is exploit. Since you're so uneducated over your own belief system, let me quote you. "On what foundation is the present family, the bourgeois family, based? On capital, on private gain. In its completely developed form, this family exists only among the bourgeoisie. But this state of things finds its complement in the practical absence of the family among the proletarians, and in public prostitution. " "Do you charge us with wanting to stop the exploitation of children by their parents? To this crime we plead guilty. " "But, you say, we destroy the most hallowed of relations, when we replace home education by social." Communism is literally about stripping every part of your life that makes life meaningful. Strips away your freedom to love. Strips away your freedom to take care of your loved ones. Remove any sort of life goals and ambitions you might have. Remove your personal freedom and individuality. You will basically end up being mindless worker ant. Who is doing every thing that their queen tells them to (political party). Simply put, they are trying to force whole mankind to live as a hivemind. Edit: Orwells 1984 is what communism would be. In fact even though he thought himself as socialists, he was also critic of socialism and communism. All most famous book of his described how communism will end up being dystopia.
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  23. +OneManCast "I shudder to think of your naive mentality on one hand about an imaginary God with no facts and only hearsay to back it up, then calling the opposite side "wishful thinking"." So I'm naive for not believing in all mighty all knowing supreme being that create humans just for fun and he loves everyone to the point that he is willing to throw them to eternal torture if they don't believe in him? I'm sorry... But only one who is naive is people like you who believe fairy tales told them without any evidence. Burden of proof, and there is no proof for god, therefore I can automatically assume that he doesn't exists. "We need actual proof and facts about an existence about an imaginary God and afterlife." Yet you believe in god without evidence.
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  24. +TheFinnishSocialist Lying? The threads below is my evidence about your true self. "Socialism is capitalism without dictatorial entrepreneurship and where the baseline is that you own what you produce." Again, like hundreds of times already. No it's not. Capitalism is about your freedom to create whatever sort of business you want and decide how it should be ran. You can create co-operative. You can create one which you own yourself. You can do whatever you want with it. Since it's your resources you used to create it. It's about people's freedom to choose. While socialism is the opposite of it. It limits of what you can and cannot do. It destroys creativity and motivation of the people. It persecutes the talented and ensures that they will never bother to do anything. People aren't allowed to choose anymore and they are forced to live under tyrannical mob rule. Only bully or naive idiot would think that mob rule ends up well. But as proven earlier. You are just violent person who wants to kill everyone who you disagree with. Which is why you still refuse to address honestly on how you would peacefully seize the means of production without using force. The moment you lock doors to the company, is the moment when cops come and throw you out. Ownership doesn't simply change because you yell that it's yours now.
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  25. +Some Random Person Socialism is conservative position. Nothing is more conservative than wanting to give more power to the politicians. Also if socialist were intellectually honest, then they wouldn't be socialists in the first place.
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  26. +Xavier Rodriguez Venezuela is socialist. Nordic countries are welfare capitalist.
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  27.  @MontChevalier  Then please explain why there is crime in nordic countries. Nothing but poor excuse. Most western countries USA included provides welfare support that is more than enough to avoid starvation.
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  28. +auregamer5 I didn't copy paste and why would it even matter? Funny thing is... You cannot even refute it. So you did just commit ad hominem fallacy.
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  29. ***** It was war and military target that was near civilians. It ended up the war on that spot and hence, they actually ended up killing less than not by nuking them. And again, japan started the war. You're saying USA should've bended their ass and let japan conquest them?
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  30. Antropovich "I dont "feel". I observe" Good evidence of you not able to think in abstracts.  Aka sign of you having low IQ. My point was not that you feel, but my point was why do you think it's important to mention money? "You implied that socialism and capitalism are the opposites" They are, and neither of them have anything to do with money. Socialism is government control over industries and means of production.  Capitalism is individuals having control over industry and means of production. "But, Look what countries are most capitalistic and then look what their corruption indexes are. Hint: they dont correlate very highly." Again USA is not capitalistic country. And literally all socialistic countries have high level of corruption. Or are you telling me that north korea, vietnam, china and soviet russia didn't have ridiculously high level of corruption?
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  31. Antropovich Read a book about economics. Real monopoly can only be achieved via government control. Unless company itself does everything perfectly, which would mean that monopoly in that's company's part isn't a bad thing at all.
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  32. Antropovich "A monopoly can arise from a number of ways." But only monopoly created by government is permanent. HUGE DIFFERENCE.
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  33. Antropovich "But a monopoly created by the government can be dissolved by people being voted out and new people voted into office. THERE IS ALSO A DIFFERENCE." No it can't. Majority people are against many things that governments does, yet nothing changes. Not only this, but with your reasoning same would apply to monopoly in capitalism. PEople can always buy products of new rival. Oh wait but that's too much logic for regressive leftists such as yourself.
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  34. Antropovich "Do I have to be a economics major during the time of USSR " No, but you would need to be older than 3-year old in order to comprehend how live was under soviets. "I think a monopoly in both capitalism and socialism can be bad for when there is a huge nation." Expect when monopoly under capitalism is doing business badly, then another rival can easily take their place or make things equal. While on socialism or communism it's literally impossible for any rival to arrive. After all, IT'S ALL OWNED BY GOVERNMENT. Which means socialism is always monopoly. Monopoly of the government.  Socialism and both communism are monopolies. "In some metrics, they are opposites yes, omg, wow good for you to realize that." I like how you turn that into insult even though just moment ago you said that they aren't. "There are lots of other metrics that they are the same or similar " such as? " One isn't uniquely free in every sense and the other isnt evil in every sense. " Prove it. Prove that capitalism isn't uniquely free. What is there restricting you? "I have of course a better system that outcompetes both. Being smart as I am." doubt that. IF you had better system you would already have nobel prize.
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  35. Mrcharrio Why avoid answering to the point? Needed to find a way to regain your broken ego?
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  36. CellLord01 It wouldn't anarchy anymore. If that would be the case. In anarchy there are no laws, hence law enforcement business would be total non-sense. You could hire thugs to protect you , but nothing makes sure that they won't just gut you later on. "And if they decided that the government should get involved in your everyday life and steal 40% of your income, then what?" Feel free to leave. Since that same government that "steals" your income has provided you services for your income. A lot of them in fact. And even supported you enough so that you could earn a lot. Basically you just want to be parasite and when government asks something back you call them as parasite.
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  37. +kamil bruszewski All communists are socialists, but not all socialists are communist.
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  38. scotaloo7 7g7 Well they are paid by one of the governments who breaks human rights... And Cenk keeps denying armenian genocide.
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  39. +Janik Malkovich People of iraq being freed from megalomaniacal dictator?
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  40. Chinese didn't have jews and neither japanese. Yet they did very strongly.
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  41. +Warren Sherwen As european... You're full of shit.
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  42. Bart Bols Let me guess Finland, and sweden? Both literally in economic crisis currently.
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  43. Ike U That's funny but isn't that required by the law now?
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  44. Narednik Lobanja And this matters to my point how?
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  45. Yeah totally leave out the factor of Germany being main benefactor of EU. Oh Plus youth unemployment is all time high even in germany.
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  46. +Blvke Morgvn Rofl... name even one problem in secularism.
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  47. They think that socialism is cool because of the myth that nordic countries are socialism.
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  48. +Aleksandras Spelling mistakes doesn't correlate with intelligence. Not only that everyone commits mistakes every now and then. Spelling mistakes only tell how much you were interested in studying the language and spelling.
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  49. Stormcloak Soldier America didn't destroy Iraq. They went and killed dictator.
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  50. +Ian Belletti Yep it's the cold harsh truth that many people refuse to acknowledge... The fact that they chose cheaper products proves how little they actually care about environment and the health of employers of the company who produced the product. It's our responsibility to choose what we buy just like in democracy it's our responsibility to choose who we vote. Free trade capitalism is merely economic democracy. However in the end of the day, no one wants to think themselves as the bad guys and so they refuse to acknowledge this fact. And instead demand that someone else should pay the bill than themselves.
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