Comments by "Tespri" (@Tespri) on "How Big Should Government Be? Left vs. Right #1 | 5 Minute Video" video.

  1. +ConservativeMirror I'm all for equal rights regardless of the sexual orientation. Gay couple should get same benefits as straight couple. But last time I checked most conservatives were against of gay marriage simply because they didn't think it's for state to decide, but for the church itself. Now the only real problem in here was that people who marry will get certain benefits. Not the fact that you cannot marry in church. It's no longer separation of state and church when state decide how church is suppose to act. The whole debate over the subject has been huge strawman since beginning.
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  2. Narednik Lobanja "The church has the business to decide which couple they can bless, it is not their decision to ban all other from getting married outside their church. " Expect now they don't have a choice, now they are forced by the state to allow everyone to be blessed under them. Again this is merely semantics and word play. you literally would have no problems getting through same rights if you used difference language. "and why would you stop them from getting married in the town house? " Strawman. Disgusting one in fact. I have multiple times stated that I'm all for equal rights. I'm not against gay people getting married. I'm simply stating the retarded problem that you people have.
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  3. Narednik Lobanja " the church has no business in the public discourse as we separated church and state 300 years ago." So church has no business in deciding which couple their religion should bless? Even if it goes against their very teachings? " And also republicans try to stop gay marriage as a whole, as gay people don't get married in the church. " False, I cannot talk for all republicans, but when it comes to the gay people not getting married in the church is simply outright false.
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  4. Dushyant Goel I'm not trying to affect your bedroom, but whole same-sex marriage is about allowing state to decide which is right and wrong for the bedroom. As I stated before relationship regardless of the sexual orientation should all have same benefits by the law. Now religious ceremonies are totally different thing.  You see whole same sex equal rights would've passed much easier if instead of demanding that you should have a church wedding, you should have equal law giving benefits from being together with your lover.
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  5. +Gaidex Viller Left or right, it's irrelevant both of them are corrupted by bigger companies. This is only possible because you guys thought it's good idea to let government meddle in business. "creating dictatorships for examples Rightwing Marxist created the soviets and these people were more like capitalist then socialist. " They were left wingers all. The problem is that the dream government you think, cannot exists due to the fact how easy it's to corrupt and take over big government. Read more about history of mankind, and you should be able to see it. "Democrat socialist and social democrats want democracy at most levels." So they make you think, until you notice that they are firing people from jobs simply for disagreeing with certain positions. Until you notice that they ban you from universities because you practice freedom of speech. Liberals in USA no longer represent liberal values. They no longer believe in individual rights, but instead of a rights of a collective group.
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  6. ConservativeMirror Felix Salmon of Fusion, look it up since I cannot provide links through youtube. They are practically forcing that if church don't bless the couple they should lose their tax exempt status. 
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  7. Ike U That's funny but isn't that required by the law now?
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  8. Narednik Lobanja And this matters to my point how?
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  9. kikker981 False, some people state that church have to marry everyone unless they want to lose their tax free status. "the source you provided only mentioned clerks aka people employed by the government. " You really can't be this ignorant when it comes to religion? Do you even know what priests are representing in a church? "Well, tax exemption isn't the status quo, churches being taxed is." excuse, It's irrelevant should they be taxed or not. Since it's fact that they are pretty much intimidated to bless everyone even against their will unless they want to start paying. "You mean dishonest?" Strawman can be accident but when used by experienced debater like politicians then it's dishonest. "So why are conservatives only pushing legislation against gay marriage?"  I already answered that. Only because of the semantics and language used in here. "Why not try to get rid of all the marriage benefits including heterosexual marriage?" yeah why not? It's not like I'm for marriage or either against it. It's basically just a vow between to people to stick together to the end. Well vow which is meaningless in current western society but still a vow.
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  10. Ike U How about you provide exact part of the law as example. They tend to be more trickier than you just said. All laws concerning the subject please.
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  11. Ike U Yes you have to provide the law if you claim that you know it.  ". It would violate the civil liberties of any pastor to have to marry a couple. " Violating civil liberties in USA isn't a new thing. " Plus if you think its a law then you should have to find said law if it exists it should be easy to find." Your country not mine.
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  12. Ike U Dude you're the one who says that law won't do that but you provide no indication of this.
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  13. Ike U "Separation of Church and state." Again USA has been pushing laws which would break the founding laws.  " Either way you cant make claims supported by no evidence and then say tell people that they technically can't prove you wrong" Then what ground you believe this change wouldn't be forced on churches if you are 100% certain it won't happen?
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  14. Ike U "Separation of church and state when has the state tried to violate this" Expect there is a contradictio in here. Priest not blessing gay couple would mean that they are discriminating on gays. Last time I checked discrimination is against the law. ´ "And it's not on me to prove that wont happen its on you to prove" Dude you're the one who claims that this won't happen. How can you believe that won't happen if you don't have any reasonable evidence to think so?
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  15. Ike U "Marriage is not solely a christian term. " Strawman, not even once did I say that it's a christian term. You're showing great number of dishonesty here now. "You don't need a priest to get married " Irrelevant. Last time I checked you're not allowed to discriminate providing services on basis of gender, race nor by your sexuality. It would lead into wide spread of discrimination by not providing certain services like electricity, food or water if that would be legal.
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  16. Ike U "You are allowed special rights on the grounds of religion everyone knows this." Only to avoid taxes, nothing else really. Now please go ahead and explain how it's not discrimination no to provide service to certain group. "And the fact that you don't need a priest to get married is very relevant" Again it's relevant. Just as you can buy electricity elsewhere it doesn't mean that shutting down services based on discrimination would be allowed by law. What if the gay people want to go to church wedding? What if they want exactly that one priest to wed them? Discrimination. See, this is how weak your argument is because it's not that far away to make this to happen based on the very laws you're following.  "I also never made a strawman I never said that I defeated your argument solely by saying marriage isn't a christian term" It's a strawman when you claim that I think that marriage is a christian term. Which is exactly what you did.
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  17. Ike U Yes you did claim. Why else would you tell me something that you think I already know. Seriously with your dishonesty. "Also you cannot buy electricity somewhere else you get what you get unless you move." Rofl how old are you? 12?  There are more than one electric companies in one city.  "Religious exemptions reach out beyond tax purposes, for example a member of the church of the flying spaghetti monster was allowed to take a picture with a spaghetti strainer on her head. " How is it religious privilege when you take picture of yourself? "well they had better find a church that will let them." But they want that one specific church because their family has always married there. They want honor that tradition. Who are you to judge them and tell them that they aren't allowed? "Let me give you an example. Say I want Jimbo the clown to go to my sons birthday party but Jimbo doesn't do parties for kids under 5" Bad example, the real example would be that Jimbo doesn't do parties for black kids. Get my point now? "And once again separation of church and state means that the state LITERALLY doesn't have the power to do so, I really don't know how many more times I can tell you this." Again conflict in law and wouldn't be first time you guys are trying to break your own amendments.
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  18. Ike U " First off there are a lot of states which do not allow you to switch electric companies. " But not all of them. Also wtf? "Secondly it doesn't matter what you want because the church can refuse to allow things that directly contradict their religion" Noooo, but that would be against discrimination laws. Just because something is in your religion doesn't make you above law. With your reasoning muslims should be allowed to kill atheists and ex-muslims. Because it's part of their religion. " I may want to get married wearing an I love satan tee but they have the right to tell me no" Not on basis of your faith, sexuality, gender, race nor political position. "Also when I mentioned the girl taking  a picture of the spaghetti strainer on her head I forgot to mention it was for her drivers license." As long as her face is shown clearly it will count. Try to that with your face and you will notice that it won't do. "Thirdly you need to look up the word claim because it clearly does not mean what you think it means. " Or maybe you should? Tum tum tuuuuum. "Also the Jimbo example works fine the way it is because in that instance the reason he chose above the age of 5 may because he hates kids younger" Yet same won't work if it's about race... I wonder why?  " church is can deny gay people because they legitimately think servicing them means going to hell it goes beyond bigotry there is a real reason." Nothing in bible says that you will go to hell for blessing sinful person. In fact last time I checked it actually encourages you to bless them. "trying being the key word, when have we ever broken an amendment." 2nd. 4th, 13 
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  19. Gaidex Viller Why bother to troll?
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  20. Gaidex Viller You mean left wing has bad record. You do realize that nazies and soviets were both left wing? That doesn't mean that left is bad ideology but from the track record... For trolling part itself, meh. You're not getting any points to anyone head by trolling. Also you seem to have a weird definition of trolling. It seems that in your view arguing against someone is same as trolling.
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  21. Gaidex Viller It seems that you're not aware what right wing and left wing means. left wing marxists who were authoritarians founded soviets. Nazies name literally comes from socialism... Look it up.  " The Nazi just called themselves socialist just to get the workers on their side. " And they were for workers right. The fact that they also committed atrocities doesn't make them right wing. By definition they were left wing.
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  22. Gaidex Viller This clearly is about semantics. What is your definition of right and left wing?
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  23. Gaidex Viller You're not giving me the definitions I asked. Give me definition of what you believe left wing to be and what right wing is. What you just said literally says nothing and could be applied to many different things.
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  24. Gaidex Viller It seems to me that you haven't heard of political compass before. Dictatorship can exists in both left and right wing. Same can be applied to progressiveness. Are you next going to say that mao and Fidel Castro weren't leftist either?
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  25. Gaidex Viller How can you even be right wing marxist? You're basically mixing up rightwing with being authoritarian. What marxis said is literally by it's very nature leftists. It can't be right wing in any way. "They want to get rid of inequality by creating a one party system well creating a new inequality." No? One party system has nothing to do with equality. They tried to create equality of the classes. "they created an aristocracies so yes" They didn't create, it became into that. Because communism is system which is easy to corrupt.  "They are right-wingers may be not their ideas but their actions." Both ideas and actions were leftwing. The fact that results weren't what you wanted, doesn't make them less left.
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  26. Gaidex Viller That is outright false and supported by nothing. In fact many modern left wingers are highly authoritarians.  ". Almost all the horrible things that are now part of the U.S culture come from the right-wingers or right-wing ideas." Actually big brother theme was much stronger in soviet union. Now nothing in right wing ideology would support this at all. Capitalism itself has nothing to do with this. It's about individuals freedom to decide for their own business. IF something many changes that conservatives have done have gone against whole idea of capitalism.
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  27. Gaidex Viller Both Obama and Hillary were authoritarians. And I have no clue why you brought these two as example in the first place. "Capitalism a system of profi" No it's not, you might want to check definition again. Doing profit is simply smart business unless you want to run out of business. Capitalism by definition that means of business and wealth are both private. Communism (or was it socialism, tend to get confused between the two often) is the opposite of it. It's where individual cannot conduct their own business nor have their own wealth. "Why isn't everybody in the U.S who works hard get their due?" Because system isn't about getting money from simply working hard. When guy who became rich from poor states that he worked hard, with that he usually means that he worked hard to build up his wealth high enough to make investments or build own business. You still need brains, ideas and luck to pull it off. " because the system is rigid and rich keep getting rich off the back of the workers." Nope... By saving money you could make investments which make you millionaire if you're smart enough. However most people aren't smart. Rich stay rich because it's far more easier to create money when you have money.  Not because system is rigid. " Many rich people did not work a day in their lives but still gets rich" Yes that's because they did born into rich family. Family line which some days in the past used to be poor.
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  28. Gaidex Viller No it's system which promotes individuals rights to conduct their own business and have their own personal wealth. Profit is simply smart way of doing business. Bankrupting your business for not doing any profit is not smart. " A Any other definition is other is pretty much a lie. " You do realize that if communistic state's factories don't create profit, they will get bankrupt? Do you understand what profit even is?  Profit means that you get more from the outcome than you did put in it. Getting the same is virtually impossible all the time, and getting less would mean that the business would die out due not being able to pay itself.
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