Comments by "Tespri" (@Tespri) on "Bernie Sanders OUTRAGED By The Rich But Is A Millionaire" video.

@TheSm1thers How is that relevant to anything? You do realize that in some countries politicians don't earn that much as in USA? In Finland they make 6 614 euros in a month.
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@XHitsugaX Still less than in usa.
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@TheSm1thers If he can't behave according to his own set of morals before he has unlimited power. Then what makes you think he would behave with good intention with all that poweR? "Also he's not an actual socialist, he's a social democrat " He praised soviets and spend honeymoon in there. He also said that USA should be like Venezuela. He has praised every living socialist and communist leader on this planet. He even openly spoke that capitalism is bad and that rich people shouldn't exists. "which is a fair point considering that the country provides the environment for fortunes to be made in the first place." No it's not, since they already pay more than others.
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@XHitsugaX You are not refuting anything I had said in here.
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@TheSm1thers According to him there should be no millionaires. He is a millionaire. According to him no one should own multiple houses. He owns multiple houses. According to him Hillary is deeply corrupt and should never become a president, then he proceeds to glorify her. "Also do you have sources on Bernie Sanders praising the USSR" His speech in year 1988 look it up. " would say it's fair that the rich pay more than anyone else. " Why? there is literally 0 rational support for this claim. "The more money there is, the more money there is to protect. Without an effective police, military or social safety net, that money wouldn't last long." You're naive fool if you think that tax money goes to that stuff. Also those things did exists even with less taxation. " There are so many homeless people in America" For their own reasons. In west no one is homeless unless they are mentally fucked up or addicts. "1% owns more wealth than 99% of people" Actually they don't own more than 99%. Majority of taxes always come from lower and middle-class. Even if it were 100% taxation. Also wealth is not same as money. Beautiful painting can be wealth, investments are wealth etc... In modern world one can be rich without someone being poor.
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@notSiD Both AOC and Bernie has openly said that there should be no rich people. "If you look through history the fall of the greatest empires and nations was due to a large gap between the wealthy and the poor." Literally never has that been the attribute to fall of empire. you clearly don't even understand wealth gab. Let's say that you have country with population of 2 people. Both of them provide services to neighboring country. Other one makes program and sells that in the markets. While other acts as a mailman. One who made program ends up being billionaire while other one is still a mailman. So... Is this mailman somehow damaged or hurt by success of someone else? Nope. You see in modern times one can be rich without someone else being poor. "There is 0 rational support to protect the extremely rich from paying more taxes." It's wealth created by them, hence no one else should have no right to steal it from them. "Top 1/10th of 1% own more than the bottom 90%. " You need to provide actual sources for such claim. Also you're not refuting what I had said. This has been mathematically proven that it's virtually impossible to provide the policies you want by taking all the wealth that rich people have. "Bernie Sanders isn't a communist." He is even if he isn't calling himself as one. He has long history of praising communists regimes and telling how USA should be like them. "He praised the breadlines because without them, many would have starved and died. Russia was already in a terrible situation." Not talking about breadlines. Talking about policies he advocates and the leaders he keeps praising.
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@notSiD "how poor is suffering in germany or sweden" Easy, as someone who actually has experienced poverty in welfare country I can tell. It passives them, ensures that there are less work in the markets, destroys their dignity, ensures that you won't accept any job unless it pays you back a lot. "communism fails because it is a dictatorship." Very childish analysis. Did you ever bother to think why eventually every communist regime on the planet did become dictatorships in the first place? Pro tip: Communism is structured in a way that it's easy to turn into dictatorship. It's in its very base premises. "Democratic socialism is adopted by the most advanced nations in the world." No one has adopted it. You're mixing up welfare with democratic socialism. And for the welfare states, all of them have cut from welfare projects and all of them are drowning in debts. IF USA would inherit Finland's social security plan, it would increase total government spending two times higher. It costs 4.6 trillion for USA to implement social security system in Finland.
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@notSiD You know what is even more funnier? You being incapable to address a single argument from me. Yet you try to pull of NPC meme, when you act exactly like one.
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@notSiD You didn't refute any of those claims, nor did you ask any evidence. You can't dismiss rational arguments just because you don't see someone pasting links all over the place. Beside you're now being a hypocrite. You haven't linked any research or evidence. The cost of finland's social security is easy to count and you can do it as well. If you had any decency in you. But we all know... You're nothing but bloodthirsty fanatic
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@notSiD Okay since you're this sort of person. Finland spends 69.1 billions euros for it's social protection. Source Ministry of social affairs and health. Finland's population is 5.5 million. USA has population of 326 million Let's first check the difference in size. 326 000 000 divided by 5 500 000 Result: 59,27272727272727 Then let's add the population difference to the cost of current spending that Finland has, in order to find out how much it would cost to us if we were as big as USA. 59,27272727272727 times 69 100 000 000 4 095 745 454 545,454 Edit: I forgot to turn them into dollars 4,603,070,038,594.804 Dollars after being converted It would be 4.6 trillion with these numbers. And you're free to double check by yourself. And yes you're fanatic who belongs to cult of murder.
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@notSiD Ah so once again psychopath is resorting to dishonest means. Google up gish gallop. That is literally what you just had done. "4 Trillion to replace the current system would be incredible." It wouldn't be replacing it. That 4.6 trillion (I did convert to dollars) is only part of the social security. Meaning... That USA current spending would need to be doubled, and there is literally no way for them to get resources for budget like that. Even if you did make 100% taxation on the rich, it wouldn't be enough to even cover the current spending. " If anything you just proved how affordable it is." By saying that it costs double of the current spending of USA? "We already spend 2.7 Trillion on just Medicare," That is only because your healthcare system is overburdened by regulations. We have far less regulations on healthcare. "That also doesn't include what people are personally saving from not being forced to pay premiums and co-payments. " People's own health is their own responsibility. No one should be forced to pay some overweight guy's healthbill. Your first link is some opinion piece with 0 evidence in it. And it's talking about overall spending. Aka house spending included. Not about how much government itself pays. They didn't really state how it would decrease the spending, instead they said that they would increase taxation. "Your numbers don't account for the incredibly inflated cost of healthcare in America." Of course, but you do realize that this actually strengthens my position? Since even private healthcare is cheaper here in Finland. Which means that 4.6 trillion is the bare minimum to the cost. " We let corporations do whatever they want to their prices, and the government doesn't do a thing because they've filled their wallets to act like clowns in front of cameras." Can be only said by someone who never actually bothered to look into how to manage a business. Profit margin is extremely small in bigger corporations. This is because if they increase cost of the products, then someone else will appear and sell it cheaper. You should ask yourself... If you think it can be done cheaper, then why haven't you or anyone else done it? Quick way to become rich.
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@notSiD Part 2, since you made long wall of text filled with nothing but pointless claims and 0 evidence. "Over 40 thousand die EVERY YEAR because they didn't get the healthcare they need. " sources, and also why should I care? It's their own responsibility to maintain their health. No one else should pay for their poor decisions. Also in many countries with "free healthcare" people die to how poor the service is .If you have something like flu, then it's okay. But you aren't getting X-ray until you cough blood and it's too late to treat cancer. "That's why, using your numbers, America saves trillions a year on just healthcare by switching to a single-payer system. " The opposite. Anything paid forcefully either by taxes or forcing people to buy certain insurances. Will only lead into prices to increase. Since now they know that they can increase the price since government will pay it anyway. This has been the case everytime. Also for same reason education costs so much since government backups loans. " The government is there to make sure everyone is a good actor" AHAHAHA literally never happens. Politicians are career psychopaths. More power you give them, the more they will abuse it. "We waged a multi-trillion dollar war on the wrong country using false information over the death of a few thousand Americans." You actually spend more on healthcare than war. And that war is done so that USA dollar can stay stable. Without those wars, USA would bankrupt, due overspending. "How could I be the one who belongs to a cult of murder for wanting to save these people?" Every cult member always thinks that they are righteous to the point that they should be allowed to murder others in name of their belief. This is why communist and socialists historically have done multiple massacres. "ustice Democrats inspired by Bernie Sanders to stop corporate domination" HAHAHAHAHAH you really think that Bernie the psycho actually cares about that? Dude, he was praising murderous dictators, praised Venezuelan system, and bend his knee to Hillary. "If you truly are against corruption, then stop wishing for a smaller government. " You do realize that there is extremely strong correlation with small government and little corruption? While extremely high with centralized and high corruption. This is also historical fact. More power politicians wield, the more corrupt the system will be. And to the final part... YoungTurks are known propaganda channel. No one should take them seriously. I used to watch them until I saw they outright lying. Another psycho destroyed.
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@notSiD It says you responded, but I can't see anything. Seems like you chickened out.
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@notSiD Literally no one can see it. Log out from your youtube account and check it out as anonymous. Your comment is either shadow removed or you deleted it.
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@notSiD "You said the total cost of social service of Finland was 69 Billion. The only number that even comes close to that is their entire budget. " Actually I did provide the source, I stated it's name. " I linked to articles about peer-reviewed studies " No you didn't. You posted YoungTurks and some opinion pieces from far left outlets. "I have to wonder if you even have a basic understanding of economic principles. " Actually I do, unlike you people who fail to understand simple law called as "law of supply and demand". ". How can you sit their and tell me waging wars can fuel economies but not a green new deal or saving lives?" Because all the oil in the world is trade only to USD. Which means that most wanted currency on the planet is USD. This is due the deal that USA made with several large countries that provide oil. Due to this, there is always demand for American currency, which means that USA can keep inflating their currency without suffering from hyperinflation, to certain point of course. While Green deal literally costs too many resources and man power. Something that is virtually impossible to pull off. It's comparable to Mao's great leap. This is why USA needs to have a large army in order to intimidate smaller countries to sell it for USD. Or do the bidding of the saudi-arabia. "but if you can't even show good faith" How can I show good faith to someone who believes in ideology that advocates world wide genocide? 1. I do care, I simply see better solution than you. 2. What talking points? I don't even watch Msm. 3. I never said that wars are good for economy, I said that for USA it's vital if they wish to avoid hyperinflation of the dollar. No other country benefits from it unless they get same deal as USA had. 4. Lot of people in Finland believe same things as I do. However this is ad populum. You do realize that people can share different beliefs in same country?
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@UCH8u6YMzBGwvrPAQD8wGutQ Actually that's how academics cite sources. They don't post some opinion blogs as source, but name of the research or the institution. Usually both. In my case it was statistics provided by my government. Also I can't post links without getting my comments shadow removed like your previous one. "You also ignored every source " I didn't ignore them, I looked at them and then refuted them. "Furthermore, there is little to no proof for any of the claims you made" Again, not a single country which has western capitalism, is poor. I provided source for that as well. Where they show which countries have the most free economy. "You ignore all of these points and claim you are Finnish when absolutely no one in Finland believes they should gut their social programs. " Hahaha, one of our biggest party is actually advocating for that. And last government did cut and a lot :D If you have finnish friends, ask them what they think of "Sipilä" "Go ahead, get the final word in, I'm done with this nonsense." I don't care will I convince you, but judging by results. Every outsider who is not fanatical believe like you. Will buy into what I had said. :D This is why you guys lose every fight. You lack intellectual capabilities to actually debate and think more than one step ahead.
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@notSiD So citing my government's ministry as source, in following way: Ministry of social affairs and health. And you ask me to provide some peer-reviewed scientific research? Over DATA THAT MY OWN GOVERNMENT PROVIDES OVER SPENDING!? It's not science, it's literally just how they wrote their budget. Then I provided Economic freedom index from heritage foundation. Something that first google search should already provide. I provided sources in way that every academic book would've. Links are not academic way to provide sources. " And the specific TYT video I presented is filled with video evidence" It literally had no evidence. It was simply video about TyT talking about Bernie. Not only that, but it's well known from being far left outlet that spreads propaganda. I wouldn't take their words alone as facts. "Stop being a cowardly child and face your reality" Self-projecting much? The fact is... You support far left ideas because you are too childish to accept cruel reality of this world. " Thought I was low picking fruit?" You sure are. You still haven't answered to the arguments I had provided. Instead you were just jumping around. Anyone with a mind can see it.
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@notSiD You really think that youtube algorithm haven't evolved at all past 10-years? Also why does it matter do I provide links or not. Sources I named appear in the first google search. And the economic freedom index also provides studies and other data as their sources. " Scientific peer-reviewed studies aren't left-wing propaganda. " They didn't provide any study related to this discussion. They were just talking about how much they love bernie. "TYT is a progressive media outlet." Yeah right. They are praising antifa for beating up cancer patients. Show extreme political bias. They are basically fox news for socialists. "TYT isn't MSM and it isn't propaganda. " TyT is by definition propaganda. It doesn't provide views or reasoning from opposite point of views .Instead they mock them constantly, while praise their own idols. It's not neutral news provider. They have clear political intentions. "And you are the one ignoring my actual arguments" Name one I ignored. "Pretty hyperbolic of you when I actually provided peer-reviewed studies published in scientific journals" I did address that link of yours. Which makes you low hanging fruit for not responding to that.
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@notSiD part 2. That TyT video of yours. Nothing but Anna having hard on over Bernie. First clip she shows. Is Bernie being ignorant. US is basically made out of 50 different countries. One could argue that their current military budget is actually too small when taking that into account. That is beside the fact that Status quo can change anytime. Beside the fact that USA needs that large army in order to maintain petrodollar. Bernie talking about declining of standard of living. That is objectively speaking false. Were living in the era where standard of living is the highest than it ever was on this planet. We have almost eliminated extreme poverty and even the poorest in western world has better standard than kings of the past. Just by being able to buy antibiotics already is better treatment than any king would've had. Also even if you cut whole military spending, it still wouldn't be enough to pay the social programs that Bernie wants. I also like how they totally ignored that couple years ago of the videos shown. He was praising USSR. Then he proceeds to talk about trickle down economics which is a strawman argument against supply side argument. It's generally made by people who are incapable to understand that it's the resources that matter, not the money. There is no such thing as trickle down theory. Neither you nor Bernie can name a single economist who has ever created such theory. Simply put. The video you provided didn't provide any study nor actual data. It was merely showing that Bernie has been consistent on certain issues for long time. Video refuted. As I said... It's nothing but socialist propaganda. Also fun fact... TyT was silly enough to think that nordic countries are socialists. Were not, we are free market economy.
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@notSiD You clearly lack mental capability to understand how shadow removing works. They either think that you're politically incorrect, so they remove your comment for saying couple words that are considered as wrong. Or they remove your comment if you have been false flagged multiple times in your life and you add a link. Since spammers in the past used to spam links. "The reason it matters is that I can search Finland Ministry of Health and even though something comes up in the first result, it doesn't include the information you provided. " Only if you don't know how to use google. You see "Finland ministry of health social spending" With that the FIRST RESULT WILL THE THEIR OWN SITE PROVIDING ALL THE NEEDED INFORMATION. " You can just say anything and add the Ministry of Health at the end to make it "credible"? " Well ministry is credible. Are you still trying to insists that it's not? "There hasn't been a single positive outcome from American intervention" Yes there has been. South Korea is free, and Dollar is the most powerful currency in the markets. Do you even understand how important it's that big oil producing countries sell their oil only for dollars? It's painfully obvious that you don't even know what petrodollar is. "f you compare us to modern nations, America's standard of living is terrible. " Nope, even the poor in USA has it better than middle-class in other countries. " but in America, there are millions that go hungry every day because of the lack of help needed to support children and families." for this your source is site that has clear bias. Also if you dig into their sources they are simply talking about estimates. There isn't anything that actually proves these numbers right. And even in this case, only people who go hungry are addicts and their children. People who use all of their money on booze and drugs. Whole study is just a "survey" which doesn't ask every American who lives in there, but carefully selected samples. And they don't look into their spending patterns at all, nor on their income. Only in America can a poor person be overweight. You know how I know that your claim is BS? Simply because someone on social security here in Finland, earns less in a month than a minimum wage worker in USA. In Finland products are far more expensive, in otherwords it costs more to live in here. If those people can live easily, then should American families as well. Look at the actual method of the survey. It doesn't actually find out who is starving out there. Heck if someone were ,then they wouldn't be able to even contact them. "elf by claiming you have a better solution. The petrodollar isn't helping America thrive. It is suffocating our economy by concentrating the wealth to a very few people. " Wealth is not the same as money. Also Petrodollar helps USA because it means that USA government can pay their spending by printing more money. Because due huge demand of USD, it ensures that USA won't suffer from inflation as badly as any other nation would. " If it doesn't involve giving them healthcare, then I think you are making a fool of yourself by claiming you have a better solution." So you say that only good solution would be steal money by gun point? Instead of actually promoting ideas that would get them out from poverty trap. You know... Welfare programs are poverty traps, they are created in order to keep poor people poor. They have no reason to work as long as they have their social security. Unlike you, I have spend most of my life in poverty and I know how much bs social security is. "Even if your figure is right, it doesn't change the arguments I made. " Expects it does. Since it would mean that USA simply cannot afford the social security provided in the nordic countries. You simply lack resources to ever have it. " I don't even care about the 69 Billion dollar specific claim." 69 billion euros. It's even more in dollars. " I won't address those arguments until you've provided some actual evidence for those claims. " I already have but you ignored them. You lost this debate because of it. So numbers are real and it proves that USA cannot afford to pay such bills. Not even if they had 100% taxation on the rich. It's literally impossible.
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@notSiD "unger isn't starving. You don't seem to mention how Finnland has eradicated hunger in its country tho. " Semantics, neither of the words applies to USA. Those families are simply terrible at taking care of their personal economy. Also Finland haven't eradicated hunger. You're outright lying. Personally seen it in first hand where families of drug addicts are starving. "reputable scientific peer-reviewed studies" Do you even understand what peer-review is? Just because something is on peer-review it doesn't make it true. They are under peer-review in order to be criticized. There been plenty of studies that have been peer-reviewed and later found out being wrong, or outright scams. "You can't smear them by calling them drug addicts " It's not a smear to point out fact. Leave out alcohol and drugs and they all do fine. Also your article is uninformed. Troubles of Finland are caused precisely because of our welfare spending. We had to take loan in order to pay it, and we still have 3 billion deficit. It's simply not sustainable practice. This is why every nordic country has been cutting from social security. You are literally giving resources to people who don't produce any resources. At end results those resources will be just devoured. While productive members of the society have less. "tens of thousands of Americans die because they don't get the health care they need. " All of them due to their own personal decisions. Smoking, Drinking alcohol, eating like a pig etc.... " 1/3 of Americans don't have enough coverage to cover their medical cost. " Because of regulationary burden that your government has placed on healthcare. "Are you actually serious, that you envy our economics" I never said I envy your economics. America isn't even the most free country when it comes to economy. Personally, I would prefer hong kong, Singapore or Switzerland. For freedom overall Finland is the top country. "(How can you actually understand what that poverty is like, living in Finland??)" Unlike you, I actually lived in the hoods. Unlike you, I actually saw families made out of drunkards and drug addicts. Unlike you I actually live in poverty for most of my live. Unlike you, I have made comparison of standard of living in different countries. Unlike you I have compared minimum wage in USA to social security in Finland. Even with minimum wage, people earned more than I had. Which makes it laughable to see when someone like you says that "poor are suffering". I basically lived better than kings of the past. Heck even without healthcare. In fact whole healthcare was pointless on me. Since I had healthy livestyle. "You know how many poor people migrate from Finland to America? " Actually there are lot of Finnish people migrating away from their own country. In fact we have found this as a problem. Also as a poor person, I have considered to migrating to America, problem was... I couldn't afford to fly there. ;)
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@notSiD Your survey is based on anecdotes. And your whole ideology is based on poor rhetoric. " Nothing of substance to even speak of. If you haven't made it in Finland you won't make it here, sorry to say. " What makes you think I haven't made it in Finland? And again, as I said, even people with minimum wage in USA have more than people on social security here in Finland. "Oh wait, you are poor in Finland, a statistical anomaly BTW. Guess you must be that drug addict, who smokes, drinks alcohol, and is healthy as an ox too?" I never said that one is poor because of drug addiction or alcohol. I said that they are hungry because they put all of their money into those substances. So in the end this is all you can do. After being destroyed in field of debate. You refuse to address any point and just throw around vague claims. Facts are still greatly against you. Fact 1. It's literally impossible to adopt Finland's social security system in USA without bankrupting the whole country. 2. Every country with free market economy is flourishing economically. 3. Only countries with less economic freedom are struggling. In the end of the day, you're just champagne socialist. Some upper-middle class kid who is larping revolutionary working class member. The truth is... If the revolution would actually ever happen, you would end up being shot. Just like in every revolution before. Fun fact, you're actually trying to lecture here a REAL member of working class. And ironically you advocate for giving people like me more power.
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