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@kiandocherty3589 " communists and comrades have a very broad definition of working class" Which makes it even more dangerous since it's too ambiguous. However marx definition was people who were too poor to own anything. Ironically HBomb and none of his fans would apply to this definition. Bunch of upper-middle class kids pretending to be oppressed class. "Unwilling to give them up? Then you get the bullet. " You just proved my point. You people are psychopaths. Incapable to feel empathy toward other groups of people and more than willing to commit acts of violence. Why should someone give up on something that is rightfully theirs? "Do you own a massive corporation with thousands of oppressed workers who are under paid and you never have to work a day in your life?" No one is oppressed in the west. And the payment is decided by the markets. Also generally those people who own massive corporations, work more than you have in several life times. These people are generally workholics. Which is actually type of mentality needed in order to create business. "He`s not genocidal, he`s right." First of all... Genocide is not defined whetever it's right or wrong. Mass murder is murder no matter what sort of justification you have for it. Even Hitler had his justification. You people are cancer of this world. If this were hundreds of years back, you would be one of those crusaders. That is the blood you carry. You carry blood of a psychopathic fanatics.
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@loopyloon5401 That is actually general trend of the left. Make broad defensive line, then hijack the power and kill your previous allies. Historically this has happened 100% of the time. Communist are psychopaths by their very nature, there is no reasoning with them.
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@kiandocherty3589 "I don`t see you cancelling a Crowder or a Ben Shapiro, despite them being the most annoying personality`s on youtube" Neither of them are calling for mass murder, unlike you people. "As for the left being anti-liberties, are you braindead? " Nope, it's a fact that left wing votes against individual freedom. "Edward Snowden and Julian Assange to be hailed as heroes AND are willing to accept anyone for who they are" Both hated by the left, and both are right wingers. " As for being common sense, the left advocates for things like free housing for the homeless and healthcare for all," There is no such thing as free housing, however welfare programs already exists in all over the west, USA included. Left wing advocates for murdering talented and hard working people and collectivizing all of the property under tyrannical government lead by another left wing psychopath. This has happened 100% of the time left has gotten to the power. "These have been shown to both reduce costs AND make you a much more humane person." False, in fact treating climate change like WW2 and calling out socialism, aka you literally worse than Hitler. Because you do not understand the cost to implement those policies that you advocate. They are all paid by blood of the poor. "We really do not focus on idpol issues as much as the right do" That's funny ,because every socialist and communist society had a cult of personality. "but that is because they are so few and the right often genuinely hate minorities." Objectively speaking off... Right wing countries are more tolerant to minorities than any left wing society in history of this planet. you people are cancer.
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@Mechaghostman2 He openly advocates for communism and even had video where he made call to action to start murdering people based on their class. This guy is a communist.
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@loopyloon5401 It's already more insightful than marx ever was.
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@kiandocherty3589 " I agree with immigration and having kids; both are necessary for humanity and if you don`t agree look how well Japan is doing with that ethno-state of theirs." One of the most prosperous country in Asia, lowest crime rate in the whole world... Seems to be doing pretty well. Also if you use immigration to have more population, when population is in decline ,then you're essentially replacing the local population with other. This is no difference from colonialism. Beside the fact that whole idea of needing more immigration has been thoroughly refuted. "It`s a right wing idiot hack who is forced to admit medicare saves money. If even an idiot who hates medicare has to admit it saves money, then you have be particularly dumb to disagree." It doesn't save money, I have actually seen the math behind it. They are bare minimum estimates and ignore cost increase creep. It really doesn't save any more resources, in fact the opposite. It's would be idiotic to claim that somehow taking more resources from the society, uses less resources.
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@The116thDoctor His own videos. He is far left activists who has in his own videos been advocating violent revolution while holding an axe in his hands. Lawyers are not considered to be part of the working class, therefore doomed to be murdered by soyboys like him.
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@The116thDoctor Oh, I don't maligning people for not sharing my political views. This only applies to far left and national socialists. You see... For Hbomb's politics... It's essentially religion. In fact it can be pretty well prove that marxism is type of new religion. It shares lot of similarities, and it also explains why it's followers are maniacs who have history of purging everyone who don't share their views. Where I point out his violent desires, he actually wishes to murder those who don't share his views. Big difference. So now you say it's okay to joke about calling action to mass murder. Would you say the same if Nazie called action to murder jews while holding a gun?
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@ahmedamine24 You're extremely naive if you think that career psychopaths (politicians) will ever make good laws or regulations.
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@ahmedamine24 So was marx, but he still advocated highly centralized government. I have never met left wing anarchists who actually isn't little dictator pretending to be a rebel. They all openly promote draconic laws, and all are openly against freedom of speech while advocating murder of their political opponents.
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@Liliputian07 Socialism is a system where means of production and distribution of goods are controlled/owned by the state/government/collective. It's generally understood as central planing, and implemented as such. It has never worked. You are highly ignorant for confusing welfare programs into socialism.
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@nagumyrehal3922 Vague statement from a left winger who can't even think. That's why you are a communist. Because you have no activity in your brain. Citation? Your own comment. Your IQ was literally too low to ask specifically which part should be citated. But don't worry, no need to reply. Because I know that you don't care about citation. You literally just want to waste my time for searching the information which you will never read in the fist place.
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@tate3117 Catalonia was not succesful. And it had governing body. Their country was destroyed in couple years. So they don't really stand as example of communistic success. Especially when it can easily take more than couple years to see the actual effect of policies being implemented. For example... Soviets and Venezuela didn't become dictatorships in a day. It was steady process taking advantage of the weakness of both communist and socialist ideals and policies.
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That guy is a bloodthirsty communists who has openly advocated for genocide. Sorry this will be last video I will watch from you.
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@demiurgicaldog He haven't killed anyone yet as far as I know, but he has advocated mass murder on basis of class.
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@demiurgicaldog It's when it's done by stealing and murdering them. Also not just the rich but everyone who has any slight of talent or education. We already have lot of evidence. Pretty much every time your political ideology has been tried, it has ended in this way. Mass murder, mass poverty and starvation.
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He is genocidal maniac who advocates that everyone who is not part of working class should be murdered.
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@rainingcomplete3018 Suuure... Let's destroy this silly narative of yours. DankDankula made video, which whole joke was that his pug was so cute that there is no way that you can make it appear disgusting by it's action. To this challenge he taught his pug to make nazi salute to prove it. In his video he made clarification that he is not a nazi and does not endorse them. He was arrested for said video. Then Hbomber is self-proclaimed communist, who makes "joke" about starting a revolution and murdering people on basis of class. No penalty at all, even though his words were considered as call to action.
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@ahmedamine24 "What's your experience in deep party involvement?" seeing that most if not all people in politics are deeply psychotic. They are just good at acting as if they care about you. And the funny thing is... You're extremely naive for thinking that there is a single politician that actually cares about what is good for you or is even capable to even provice it. History of mankind stands as my evidence. Your central planning will never work.
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@Liliputian07 There is only one definition for socialism. Just like for every word there is only one official definition. I have done this discussion thousands of times already. I have googled socialism long time ago, read philosophy related to it and argued with it's most staunt believers. Find me a single dictionary that says that "socialism = Welfare state". With that definition literally every nation in human history would've been socialist, hence rendering the word socialism into nothing. "it's a wide spectrum of related ideas," Any related idea calls themselves with different name. " welfare programs, among other socialist ideas" That is not socialist idea. Ever heard of phrase: "Bread and circuses"? "which then fall even under your narrow definition of socialism." No it doesn't since it isn't distribution of goods (walmarts), nor is it means of production (car factory). It's simply social service. Semantics asside, welfare state doesn't work either. All of those welfare states are swimming in debt and they are not in war with anyone. It's just matter of time until the debt burden is to high that they have to sell their children to debt slavery in the future. Just like venezuela and Greece had.
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@Liliputian07 You either wrote some naughty words which youtube shadowremoved. Or then you have been false flagged in the past and provided link which made them shadowremove your comment. It happens, and for same reason I dislike posting links on long replies and use very careful language. 1. I do understand linguistics, I speak 4 different languages and using dictionary is not an fallacy when were talking about objective meaning of words. Try to argue that murder has billions of different meanings in front of court when you're charged of murder. 2. I do understand, unlike you I'm lover of knowledge. History, philosophy, psychology and biology are one of my favorite subjects and things that I study daily on my free time. 3. Boogeyman doesn't exists, socialism does. Every society on this planet is mixed economy on some degree. However the trend shows that more capitalist the economy is the better is everyone doing. While for "socialist democracy" that's what soviets were. That's what venezuela was. This has never worked. You don't even know your own terms. 4. Name a single flaw in my argument. 5. Welfare state is defined as state that seeks to provide social services for the poor people. It's basically a safety net. Commonly seen as social security. 6. I have changed my mind lot of times in my life. I used to even be socialists in the past. That was when I were a teen and still didn't understand the world. The more knowledge I gained and more I thought about politics, the further away I got from socialism.
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@forgottentree3716 "each according to their ability to each according to their nee" How do you know what is someone's ability or need? Your system is delusional and naive. There is no incentive to work in your system and nothing there to punish when people take more than they need. You're bound to have chaotic system where there is no supplies for people to enjoy. These communist principles have failed whenever tried to implement. That is why Soviets and Mao ended up on resorting to violence and coercion. Not only that but lack of state would mean lack of protection from gangs and other groups that would just take all you have by force.
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@forgottentree3716 While I'm anti-state it doesn't make me naive. I do understand that State has role in ensuring civilized society. I'm not an anarchist. I believe in making safe guards to the government and limiting what they can do. While state is "gang" it' still gang we vote for and can become part of. "f u take too much breadsticks we'll kick you out of our food hall " How do you know when I have taken too much and what makes you think others will join you and not me? What makes you think you can even beat me up? I'm well trained in martial arts, been part of the military and hit the gym pretty often. I'm most likely more fit for combat than 10 of you. "ood our ability is what we can do," how do you know what someone can do? What if they pretend that they can't do anything? Why should I state openly to people like you what I can do if I can be lazy? How do you know can someone even do something extremely difficult? They could just lie their skills for prestige. "i'd think directly making your and the people you love's life better would be good" That only applies to friends and families, not to strangers. You're not giving me reason to go to coal mine or clean sewers. " even better than staving off death with electric numbers" Fun fact... These policies you advocate have led directly to that due to people being lazy by their innate nature. So far you haven't given me any reason to go to coal mine. OR do cleaning or any other dangerous and non-exciting work. There simply isn't any reason why anyone one would do those unless gaining something useful directly. They would rather just pretend to be artists.
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@forgottentree3716 Nah, ima just get my friends who are all strong men and just take over your commune and turn you all into our personal slaves since none of you have any combat experience and training. That's how it would end up in reality. You wouldn't even get food and stuff because no one would be making food and stuff. If they would they would only make enough for their family and nothing for you.
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@forgottentree3716 My age is irrelevant. Also you're assuming that noodle armed little kids like you could actually beat up trained and experienced fighters. Even if you were armed you would still lose. There is a reason why peasants got destroyed by knights whenever they tried to rebel. Oh you like mines? Well how big portion of the population you think enjoys working in deep underground mines where their lungs get destroyed? How many you think enjoy cleaning other people's toilets. Stop being delusional, fact is that pretty much no one would do these jobs if they had a choice on something else. "we could set up a rotating roster of ppl who do it" That would need authority. Thus proving that your system doesn't work. This has already been tried and it ended up in failure.
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@forgottentree3716 Sharing food is more pleasant than cleaning someone's diarrhea from the ceiling. And again if this voluntary stuff would work everyone would already do it. There would be no trash on the ground, no graffiti on the wall etc... Instead people don't do it, and it's small number of people who engage in voluntary work. And even in those cases they are just done for social connections. Simply put... If humanity would work as if you claim it does, then capitalism wouldn't have come to existence in the first place.
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@forgottentree3716 HAhah the fact that you spammed multiple messages shows that you're not that bright and you are highly emotional person. Capitalism is about commerce. Why have trade if it's not owned by someone in the first place? Also no, everyone has means of productions. It's just people who don't like to take risk who don't sell their products but their labor instead. a) No you're not college students and unemployed doesn't count. As long as you have higher education then you are not proletariat. You're part of the upper class. B) Not an argument to the fact that most people don't do free work. Especially type of work they hate. Capitalism isn't about being selfish. It seems that you don't know what selfish means. That would be socialist and communists. Capitalism is utilitarianism. "also your claim that there was only war pre capitalism is patently false" Nope, there are historical records and we can even see this among wild life and among tribes in amazons. They all wage wars. There was no trade among other tribes, just theft and mass murder. This is the truth of the world, people fight over resources in order for their families to survive or to have edge over their competitors in mating game. You buy into noble savage idea, which has been proven to be false and misconception by historically illiterate person.
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@forgottentree3716 A) Means of productions did exists and people had ownership of them and property. So yes, it was capitalist system. Landownership was though usually only for politicians. B)It's more than that, it means someone who has nothing to lose whatsoever. Just because you work, it doesn't make you proletariat. However if you work in place with very small salary that you can only afford to eat then you would be proletariat. You have nothing in common with lower working class. In fact they hate people like you. C) You're allowed to create medicine for personal use even if they are copyrighted. You're just not allowed to gain financial benefits by reselling them to other people due to copyright. Seems like you don't even understand copyright laws. All of those things are allowed for personal use, you're just not allowed to share it to others. Aka you're not allowed to profit with their work unless they give permission for it. You have computer, that allows you to create bunch of things. You have cellphone, that also can be used to create goods and services. You can also build up your capita, loan, or find investors as well. These are nothing but excuses from you. Many people are already using various methods, they just aren't selfish like you are. They aren't demanding what someone has already build. House is not human right, most of the human history no one had a house. D) What is bad in operating for profit part? Should they work on loss instead and die hunger? Your whole world view is delusional and shows that you're just a kid who haven't experienced the world. You're holding ancient world views made by lunatic. Fun fact, most of the stock owners are just regular people investing for their own retirement, not some fat cats. Regular "working class people".
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@forgottentree3716 Again another spam response from you. Ugh dealing with low IQ fanatics... Capitalism is just economic model. Was feudalism pure capitalism? No, as I stated only politician could own land in it. But were there mercantile class? Yes absolutely. "wow ok if sharing and trading stuff is capitalism i guess that in a worker controlled economy where the workers trade with other worker unions and co-ops and stuff, is both socialist and capitalist" It would be, however only on premise that they can have private capita instead of being public system. Co-operations are allowed in capitalist framework and are still considered as private companies. "WAIT THAT MEANS THEY THINK THE USSR WAS CAPITALIST WTH" Yes and no. There were no trading inside USSR allowed but the union did trade with foreign powers. Communism was suppose to be self-sustainable but it clearly weren't as seen with collapse of it. "yo you too, this guy's out of their mind and it's hillarious" Only one out of mind is you for believing over 200-years old propaganda made by guy who killed his own child and hated black people.
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@forgottentree3716 Another spam. Who? Marx of course, you believe that old wife beater who cheated on his wife and killed his own child. Guy who never did single day of honest work in his life and leached of from his friends and family. "wait are you arguing that in order to have true free trade ppl have to be properly able and free to freely associate and trade without threat" that is literally what capitalism is in it's core. And I'm more arguing that people are better off the less politicians affect trade the better.
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Breadpilled? Is that term for the political world view of far left that always advocates world wide mass murder and global hunger?
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@saren42 You're being extremely vague. How do workers own and control means of products. How they do it in reality, inp practice. How do you have classless and stateless society in practice. Thing is... You people don't know, which is why you fail to understand why every socialist and communist regimes on history of this planet... Were true socialists and communists. Bunch of psychopathic losers...
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@LostieTrekieTechie It does, when it costs more than we produce. Which is what happened in venezuela.
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@FirstnameLastname-bn4gv Stateless is not same as without government. Do you even understand difference of state and government?
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@nagumyrehal3922 I don't care who you are, it's not relevant to the argument. Also you would be 108 old in bare minimum in order to reach that many master's degree and black belts. Got any real arguments instead of classical "internet badass"?
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@FirstnameLastname-bn4gv Your own comment. You implied that there is no central governing power in stateless society. Which you try to imply that there won't be tyranny in such society because no hierarchy of governors. Typical communist... They don't even understand their own philosophy... Funnily enough that is because they never read it.
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@tate3117 Once again you're wrong. One can have government without state. Also as history has shown everytime someone has tried to do communism.. It always ends up being extremely centralized and murderous regime.
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@tate3117 You ohave only head it to be, but you haven't actually looked at the objective data. Stateless societies have habit of forming dictatorships. That is due to human nature, we are social animals with hierarchical group dynamics. Just like with other prim-apes. Cult of person worships are created all the time, and people always look up to someone to take care for them. Even the old tribal communes of the past had this thing. Even if you ignore said thing, you have literally 0 measures to prevent anyone forming up a crime gang and killing and subjugating you all. Since you have no way to organize against them. Organized society always trumps over chaotic one with no lead.. You can't run an army without clear command structure.
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@tate3117 With stateless society they mean borderless society. " but there would be no system in place to give anyone that power." False, we have religions and modern cults to demonstrate this point as outright false. Cult leaders don't have any inherent legal power. They get their power just like the government from the people believing that they have power over them. People by their nature surrender themselves to those who they view as leaders Same thing with the crime organizations, they don't have cops or politicians to maintain their organizations. Since you clearly aren't a thinker by your nature, then think of this. How did mankind form states and organizations in the first place? How were the kings and governments created? And on what grounds same wouldn't happen in this this society of yours?. Reminder... Communists at least the early philosophers were glorifying the past of the mankind when they were still tribal and lived in small family like communes. Aka everyone being related. They literally wish to to make mankind to be same as they were on stone age. YOU PEOPLE ARE THE MOST CONSERVATIVE GROUP THAT EXIST ON THIS PLANET. Most hilarious part of the whole thing is... It's not you who would be the future king or leader. It would actually more likely to be someone with genes for right wing. Someone who is charismatic, and good looking with a strong body. Since those are the sort of people that are idolized. You would be the one in corner watching as he has sex with your wife and forces you to grow his child. "If you form a communist government and never dismantle the State then dictatorship and oligarchy will eventually take form." Correct, but you wouldn't be able to run a successful society without it. World is complicated, modern societies only exists because of the current systems we have. There is a reason why natives of American stayed in their huts while rest of the world created Empires. Because they weren't communal anymore, that's how they created kingdoms that were managing to create miracles and wonders of the humanity. Without government, your society would be extremely vulnerable to any force that desires to take out the system. Anyone invading your commune, would succeed on spot. "And if a criminal group took form, then a decentralized policing authority (often called militias) would work together and" Wishful thinking, you never see this happening in real life. And who would lead such militia? You inherently have to give power to someone to lead that militia, and the one who holds power over militia... Holds power over everything.. You have 0 experience in warfare if you think that you can wage war with such chaotic strategy . You need central authority to any efficient army. Not to mention that most people wouldn't even want to be part of militia to risk their ,lives, nor they would have experience to fight against experience and well disciplined army.
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@tate3117 You're now doing literally what you accused of me doing, expect worse. At least I had provided arguments while doing so. Just look at you... Stalking my channel subscriptions. If you actually looked them all you would've noticed some left wing youtubers as well. Best of all... just for sake of fun since you already did stalking.. Well checking your channel subscriptions it's easy to see that you're literally one of those blood thirsty left wingers who literally want to kill people for disagreeing with you. Sargon is a centrists so no clue why you think that as any form of an attack.
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@NathanWubs " Adventure time is a total communist plot world." Sure... World filled with kings is totally communism. Also hilarious that you actually stalked my channel. Everything I have stated here is objective fact, that can be confirmed outside of my own brain. Therefore not deluded.
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@missmorbid1439 Mostly, but he did make "call to action" to murder people on massive scale. However I find it funny that you call right-wingers as idiots when every country lead by you people have ended up in starvation and oppression.
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@missmorbid1439 There is the video where in the end he openly states that people should join to his marxist revolution while he holds an axe in his arms. That is open call to arms which would be declared illegal speech in most countries on this planet. Don't know who davis aurini is but you do realize that Sargon is centrists? Of course not... For you people far right = anyone right from stalin.
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@missmorbid1439 "Because it was followed up by him running around in the woods in a fur cloak to make fun of the Golden One. " So when count dankula make's joke, then he should be thrown into jail. Even when he clarifies that it's a joke and he isn't anti-semitic. But WHEN OPENLY MARXISTS (marx openly advocated for mass murder) makes call to action for mass murder... Then it's a joke? I see... Nice double standards... That's all that left wing is. Bunch of murderous hypocrites. "I don’t know how someone could take that as a serious call to violence. Looking for things to hate, I guess. " Just like you would think that pug making salute would be criminal offense big enough to throw man in jail. "Also, Sargon is not a centrist. I know he says he’s a centrist, but he’s supported by the EDL and Richard Spencer. If he’s such a centrist, then why does he spend all his time attacking the left? " According to actual political compass test, he is centrist. Nope they don't support him. They even openly had argument. "then why does he spend all his time attacking the left" Because media doesn't. There is clear media bias, hence to create balance he targets left. He has even stated this openly.
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@missmorbid1439 That is a old tweet. Last year him and Sargon had bloody debate. just write to the youtube and you should be able to find. Also calling something as entry point doesn't make it so, nor does it make it as endorsement. Just for you know, Sargon has turned lot of people away from extremism, from both left and right. "Also, you can make those tests say whatever you want." Tests are what determines people's leanings. I'm pretty sure that experts are better to tell who is what than you are. You are extremists hence you see anyone who is not part of your group as enemy that should be destroyed.
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@missmorbid1439 Since you made two comments straight (implies lower IQ and highly emotional person) and I missed the first one due the youtube's commenting system. Here is response to it. "Do you think everyone on the left has a hive mind? " Yes, that is what collectivism is. Where hive mind goes over individual. "apply to you?" Otherone is joke that doesn't make call to action. While your lord and savior makes call to action and doesn't clarify it as a joke. Otherone simply has dark sense of humor and makes fun out of tragic past. While other one calls our mass murder. They are not the same. " Count Dankula wasn’t jailed, he was fined." What happens when you refuse to pay the fine? You are basically saying that he should be killed.
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@Mechaghostman2 That's funny, but you wouldn't give same benefit of doubt if someone did same with nazi stuff.
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@Nina-cd2eh They all are just different types of cancer. All share the same purpose, to kill the host and then die off.
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Yeah especially when hbomber would love to murder that lawyer for being wealthy.
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@damagedcortex1415 Most lawyers own stocks, and they are all more than enough well off to buy a company if they so wish. Marx definition of worker was someone who is so poor that he can't even afford to buy a single luxury item. Capitalists were literally anyone above lower wage class.
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@rainingcomplete3018 On what grounds you know that it's actual joke? It's well documented fact that whenever left has opportunity, they will always commit mass murder. FFS just read marx manifesto itself if you don't believe me. It's part of your cult. Heck you have even some of the communists here openly advocating for genocide. "Harris didn’t choose to not be arrested, and those two scenarios aren’t connected." Actually they are. One is making fun out of nazies, and doesn't give a single implication that anyone should be harmed. One is actual communists openly making call to action to murder people.
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@rainingcomplete3018 When you ask for evidence you shouldn't be so vague but actually point out which statement needs to have an evidence. No reasonable person would expect someone to write a small novel in response filled with academic citations in their first responses. "You know that nazis, people you yourself thought were wrong, were on the right?" Umm what? This sentence makes no sense. I was referring to left leaning liberal who made jokes on nazies and got arrested, while your beloved idol openly advocated for mass murder and didn't get anything.
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Jhonny Auditore So did stalin just sit and drink tea with Hitler.
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@rainingcomplete3018 So if Nazi makes same about jews... Then it's acceptable?
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UncleMoeLester No they are not. Working class was defined by someone who lives pay check to pay check. Not someone who earns millions.
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UncleMoeLester Expect they do.
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@rainingcomplete3018 I'm pulling all of that from his own channel. You're talking about median salary while you ignore what the most top notch lawyers earn. For example intellectual property lawyers 170 000 is average, but depending on expertise and clients, the compensation can reach the millions. While Trial lawyers average is 160 00 but top private lawyers earn millions as well. Same with Chief legal officer. Even their average sum is more than capitalists of the marx time could earn. These peopel are filthy rich and knowing how you far lefties think... According to you people he should be killed just by being smarter than you. Just like lawyers were massacred in every socialist revolution on history of this planet.
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@charlesriley2717 Not as crazy as a guy who never worked in his entire life, writes bloodthirsty books talking about how he is being oppressed by capitalists and how he should be allowed to murder them. (talking about marx)
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@charlesriley2717 I know.
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@DrZaius3141 The opposite. My information comes from historical records and thousands of dialogue done with far leftists. name even single socialist/communist society where people weren't persecuted or murdered on basis of their political stance.
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@electrichanoi7244 Calling someone as stupid, doesn't turn them into stupid. Ironically left wing is always incapable to provide arguments and always resorts to violence and insults.
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@rainingcomplete3018 Name a leftists who doesn't believe that people should be killed or jailed for their policies. Crowder? I do watch the guy mostly for entertaining purposes, howver he is not my sources. My sources come from leftists themselves. For Saphiro's comment. It's impossible to have a war without civilian casualties. Especiually when you're fighting group of people who uses civilians as meat wall. "Aren’t Democrats the ones who pushed for abolishing slavery AND segregation?" Okay you just proved that you have no clue about American politics. Democrats WERE FOR THE SLAVERY AND SEGREGATION. Abraham Lincoln was republican.
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@rainingcomplete3018 That is a myth, party switch never happened. And republican party is pretty proud of their roots. Aka Lincoln party. You're literally buying into propaganda. "Way to dodge the question by the way." Actually it wasn't dodged. All you did was to commit several ad hominems and strawmen. The people who you named here weren't my sources. Therefore it's pointless to even bring them up or their past. As I said, my actual sources for what left believes comes from the left itself. Unlike you.. I have actually read works of philosophers from the far left. "Your logic is extremely flawed. Just because you talked to a portion of people on the left you think you know the majority." I have talked with thousands of them, I have seen what their media spouts, what their polls say, and read books made by them. I 'm pretty sure that you people are just blood thirsty losers who have serious ego issues. "What is something a democrat has said that implies they want to kill. Come on, this is entertaining. " Democrats are not left wing. They are leaning right. Only in current year they have been heavily leaning to the left for some silly reasons.
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Raynicorn Chrome "Like, the hate and blood thirst?" First two pages of marx's manifesto. Plus history of every left wing revolution or becoming into power. "Hell, you never even supported Hbomberguy is a communist or wants to kill people." He has openly stated it. Just check his channel. That guy is a incels who wants to murder people who actually get laid. Just look at his face, that guy would never get laid in real life without being famous or rich. "You are in an echo chamber, dude." Says communist who literally advocates for echo chambers. " Look at other parts of the Left and get informed. Hell, look at the Right and see that everything you accuse the Left of, they have done. Your main point about Leftists being murderers? " Nice one... You're talking as if I never was a left winger. But I used to left winger just like I used to be christian as a child. I know you people in very deep level, the reason why I don't consider myself as left winger anymore, because I saw true face of you. You people are monsters trying to find justification for murder and tyranny. "Look at that person on the right wishing for blood." There are always individuals who wish for such thing, but left wing as ideology is based on it. It's basically murder cult. History and your own world views stands as my evidence. There haven't been a single left wing nation on this planet where they haven't persecuted or murdered people on basis of their politics.
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@rainingcomplete3018 He literally said it in his video while holding and axe in his arm and called action for violent revolution. " You keep showing bias by calling every bad thing " I don't call everything as bad thing, I just call your cult as bad thing. As history has shown thousands of times. "Not everyone on the left is a socialist or communist" Then you don't know how left is defined.
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@rainingcomplete3018 Name a single left wing society. Aka where socialist or communist party is in clear power. That isn't persecuting or murdering people on grounds of their political belief.
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@rainingcomplete3018 Stay focused, prove first your claim that left wing aren't all bloodthirsty by showing any nation actually lead by them that didn't do such things. It's easier for you to find one than me go in details over hundreds of different countries committing atrocities in name of left wing ideology.
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@rainingcomplete3018 Until you do, your argument holds no meaning.
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@rainingcomplete3018 I didn't actually say anything about dictator. If you actually look at political compass and policies done by Hitler, he was a left winger. Also you fail to take into account one extremely big point. EVERY LEFT WING SOCIETIES COMMITTING ATROCITIES vs ONLY COUPLE RIGHT WING. Left wing has 100% chance to do such thing. Left and right wing are defined in modern era as: Collectivism (left) vs individualism (righwing).
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@stefangadshijew1682 "That's not Marx definition of the working class" Expect it was. It's even in his manifesto. Modern "working class" can afford for flight tickets to other side of the planet. Tickets worth more than buying a single stock. You're not being oppressed by anyone. Plus the definition of proletarian comes from ancient latin. Which was The propertyless class of ancient Rome, constituting the lowest class of citizens. Basically people who couldn't afford to anything. "There's no need to kill capitalists, we only wish to seize the means of reproduction, not commit to vengeance. " And how do you seize it without killing those who wish to defend their own property? Yeah... We have already seen this thousands of times. You people are psychopaths. YOU ALWAYS MURDER.
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@stefangadshijew1682 Meaning of word is relevant if were to talk about class. Classes in modern west don't even exist, they are purely arbiter and now days are based on income levels. Not a single one of those breadtubers or their supporters is actually part of the low income class. They are all from upper-middle class families whose parents paid their college for the useless degree that only brainwashed them. "but I don't really want to go through the english version of it, but I will if you insist" Marxists site literally provides all of his books for free. "Can you give a clue where this definition in the Manifesto is? I only find one mention of "luxury" in the whole document and that is obviously not what you meant." I have done it so many times that I don't bother anymore. There is literally nothing that could ever change mind of a communists than fellow communists who is about to murder you. I remember once you guys claimed that marx didn't advocate for violent revolution, the moment I quoted and citated the part from manifesto where he was calling for blood. All commies just ran away. Some of them even tried to say "well he didn't mean literally" without ever providing case that he was talking in symbolism... Especially in context of blood filled civil wars.. Simply put... I'm not going to bother to find it for you. Because I know it won't change your mind. You're cultists, who is part of a murder cult. "The owners of the means of production are not capable of defending their property" Based on what? Since when weapons and guards didn't exists? Or police? " if it was only for them, you wouldn't even need to murder them" Said by every criminal who stole something from someone. "you could just declare that their factories and businesses now won't work for them anymore." And? That doesn't mean that you will gain their factories or business by not working with them. " communists need to fight against the state that supresses them, not against the class of capitalists as persons" Literally nothing is suppressing you in western capitalism. You can make your commune or co-operative if you so wish. "Without the state, capitalists are nothing anyway, so why bother with them personally." Seems like you haven't heard about ancaps. "EDIT: Here is the first systematic mention in the main body of the Manifesto. It's not about being able to buy luxury items, it's about needing to sell their labor." Nope, it was literally about them being too poor to have any options in their life. Which is not the case in the west.
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@stefangadshijew1682 Well they are. Especially when were taking into account how marx himself used it. And then can the same even be applied modern worker in the west. Which they can't. Modern workers are not exploited on any level. They have more than kings of the past have. Not only that but social security ensures that THEY DON'T NEED TO WORK to live. "Classes do exists today as described in Das Kapital." In order for something to be class, you need to be born in it and you can't change it. In modern world you can easily change your class. "They are not arbitrarily divided by a certain "level of income"," Modern classes are. "needs to sell their "labor piecemeal" as a "commodity"." Then no one is worker with that definition, since no one NEEDS to sell their labor. "because you've got no idea what you're talking about and willfully misreading what is quoted to you." I have idea, and knowledge. I just know that you people are corrupted and psychopaths who don't care about evidence. I have had this discussion with you lot for over thousands of times. One is more likely to convert creationists away from his views than cultists like you. "Guards work for money that is accepted by governmental decree. " Money can exists without government. Bitcoin is good example. Also you can trade goods in return just like in the old days before money.
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@MrGamelover23 Correct, but we don't talk about the law itself now. But that you people were up for his blood. It's about principles. You're willing to murder and steal from people, but don't want that other people do the same to you. Rules for thee but not for me.
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@marjee7116 False, Marx had term such as petite bourgeoisie which did cover anyone from middle class. In fact this is how middle-class in marxist terms was seen for centuries. It's only modern day marxists who has college education and come from well off families that try to insists that they are part of proletariat. This isn't the case, in fact marx hated you and advocated killing you as well. Middle-class was basically defined as people who are well off. Who are not poor.
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@amonguscurrent320 Not my fault that you're not bright enough to understand.
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Nothing pleasant with that guy. He had been openly advocating for genocide.
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@wendyheatherwood Guy is a far leftie, he had one video where he was openly advocating that people should join to his revolution while he held AXE and implying to use it. There isn't a single far let winger who isn't having murder boner.
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@wendyheatherwood Literally in the same video. Genocide based on class. Name a single far left society where people haven't been persecuted or murdered for their political ideology alone.
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@mxpants4884 Okay mr.Semantics. Mass murder on global scale based on class. But here mr. Semantics: Genocide: The deliberate and systematic destruction of group of people because of their ethnicity, nationality, religion or race. "Can you explain how that might be achieved and what would the goal be?" Same was as in every socialist and communist nation. And goal would be to create egalitarian society by murdering everyone who posess a strong will and talented mind. People can't be equal unless they are equally talented, right? ;) It was all in marx's manifesto. That is how they are going to wither the state away, by turning humans into exactly the same. So that they will naturally follow communistic laws without state. Basically it's eugenic project to create specie of sheeps.
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@helenaplacido3894 "hey i suddenly can't read can you tell if the word "class" is present in the statement above " Seems like your IQ is too low to understand my point, which I already addressed there. But hey, it's pretty obvious that you think that mass murder is okay as long as it's not done on basis of ethnicity right? Fun fact... Communists murdered people on basis of religion too.
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@mxpants4884 Inefficient and again that would be capitalism.
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@ahmedamine24 Which is why socialism and communism will never work. And no... Psychopaths are more likely to become politicians since they know that they have more power then. It's obvious to me that you have never been part of political party on deeper level.
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@ahmedamine24 Then why are you bothering to reply if you're not advocating giving more power to these psychopaths like Hbomb is.
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@Liliputian07 "this whole thing is such a massive mindfuck of a QED wowowo "I speak 4 languages so I understand linguistics" hahaha" Short response, incapable to address literally anything I had said. This is why you people are losing globally. You are mentally like little children who can't even defend your world view intellectually.
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@ahmedamine24 HAHAHHA WHAT A JOKE! All of them have been openly defending and advocating most murderous ideology of past century. Not only that but none of them promotes forgiveness. In fact their refuse to even accept apologies. You people are insane.
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@ahmedamine24 Well someone who defends communism... They really has to have issues with their mental health. In fact every single one of communist I knew in real life, had to go to terrapists for different issues. Such as depression or schizophrenia. Heck lot of them even openly advocate for pedophilia, including their philosophers. " I think you're in a head space where you wouldn't be receptive to anything I could say. I'll abstain from further argument." Nice... Now you're projecting yourself. I had provided argument in here, you refused to respond to them. My previous comment was to refute your ridicilous claim as if breadtubers are promoting forgiveness. When they openly have stated that they wish to murder other people.
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@ahmedamine24 What you would qualify as someone who openly advocates for mass murder for people based on their class? And who have grand delusions about how world really works?
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@forgottentree3716 Instead of states you had families and tribes with territory. Just like other animal species humans are territorial animals. Warfare has always existed just like it exists among other animals. Maybe you should actually read history and study biology.
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@forgottentree3716 Capitalism is human nature. Gathering resources for your family, and trading them. Capitalism can be summed up as trade and trade freedom. Before capitalism there was just war. Where strong killed the weak to take what they have. With capitalism there was no need for constant murder, instead you could trade items without risking death or causing suffering. Monopoly? If your politics is based on monopoly then you really have a low IQ. In real world no one is forced to stay at your hotel. "poorer people and working people spend money and time on things in a society where doing that can literally kill you!" Ah typical left winger, looking down on the poor and working people. "also cleaning up vomit can be a part of feeding ppl, and preparing food lol" I was talking about diarrhea not vomit. Also doctors would disagree with you.
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@ahmedamine24 Says guy who believes that people should be killed on basis of how productive they are to the society.
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It's not getting mainstreamed. It's that they are only people that youtube allows to show in trending. Breadtube has so little amount of suscribers and views. They are really small minority of psychopaths who are supported by corporate entity known as google. "Infinitely more knowledgeable, informative, and intelligent than all the Ben Shapiros and Stefan Molyneuxs who are supposedly the rational geniuses of YouTube (hysterical)." All of those people who you mentioned are more intelligent and knows more than any breadtuber. Only someone with low IQ and high education can be a communist. That is because they lack mental capabilities to think how their dream society would function in reality.
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@Vegan_Kebab_In_My_Hand If you disagree, you're free to challenge. Freedom that communists wouldn't allow others to have.
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@Vegan_Kebab_In_My_Hand Umm not everyone, just the Hbomb since he is openly a communist. And the Hbomb is the topic in here so... If you're not defending breadtubers (aka communists) then you have no ground in here.
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@Vegan_Kebab_In_My_Hand Breatube: A community of left-wing youtubers and the subreddit associated with them. A reference to Anarchist Peter Kropotkin's 1892 book, The Conquest of Bread. Some of the youtubers associated with it include ContraPoints, hbomberguy, Shaun, ThreeArrows, PhilosophyTube and more. -Urban dictionary. You can't be breadtuber without being communists. "Quite an overreach, and even then I have no issues with communists" You should have since they all advocate for mass murder. "as opposed to the misguided ideas that it's a totalitarian regime, which you seem to be hinting at." That is merely inevitable results of attempting to create communism. It's extremely flawed system that is bound to create dictators. "Maybe you're confusing it with the soviet union, which for the record wasn't even communism." Actually it was. I doubt you have ever even checked how soviets did function in reality. How their elections worked and how they became dictatorship. It's always the same story. You people are mentally psychopaths by your very nature. You just seek for excuse to murder other people.
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@Vegan_Kebab_In_My_Hand Basically you admit that breatubers are close minded bigots.
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@m.k9471 I never said that you own me a debate. However it tells lot about your intellectual cowardliness. I haven't met s single left winger who isn't a coward. All of the runs away the moment they see tough opponent.
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@wolfiedude14 YEah I have heard that story, but everyone who says that fails to actually prove it. In fact they contradict themselves multiple times with their own beliefs when they claim so. I have done reading, I have done debating and everytime I destroy one of you in debate, you will always run away. Soviets were prime example of communist country run like socialism. In fact one could easily argue that it was in fact communist society,.
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@wolfiedude14 "damn dude sounds like you got a great grasp on what you're talking about" Lot of projection here. " it is recognized by pretty much all serious academics that it was but would there be a point? " Sorry but social scientists are not serious academics. They don't deal with empirical science. Fun fact.. Instead of proving your acase you just resorted into pure ad hominem in here. " I will though, tell you how it was at least not communist. Communism at its fundamental level is classless" So was soviets. "There was a clear divide between those in power, and those laboring, and furthermore" Not at start and not by constitutional design. It just happens that communism sucks so much that it always ends up this way.
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@Robbie1179 You keep saying that but you fail to demostrate it. Instead you're proving my point. Instead of engaging me with battle of ideas you just insult me.
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@wolfiedude14 Ad hominem is argumentative fallacy where you try to refute someone's argument on basis of their character or history. That is literally what you did in your previous comment. Also social sciences are bunk. Small group of people made fake studies on purpose lately and most big peer review papers from that field accepted their results and even praised them. Fake studies that had so many flaws that it would never pass in real scientific field. Heck one of them even copy pasted Hitler's book and changed words into feminism. Look it up. Also you made claims, you didn't prove your case. So far you haven't demonstrated or provided evidence that Soviets didn't start out as classless society.
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@wolfiedude14 You think you know, but as evidence how... You don't know. "Next up your social science thing, dude just drop it like it is so hilariously inaccurate to unironically say that it is a fake field of study, like you realise how stupid that is? " I provided an example of where group of people managed to do multiple studies that were total bogus, and every peer review paper in social science field believed their research and even published them. If that doesn't prove how unscientific that field is, then what would? Especially since you people don't use empirical method. "you've made such an anti-intellectual argument thus far. " Nope, social science is not intellectual field at all. I'm for the real science, for hard sciences. The fact that you still refuse to prove any of your point or to make any logical argument as counter-argument. Proves my point about you people. Nothing but murderous cultists looking for excuse to murder people. People who are unwilling to debate/discuss with their opposition have already made in their mind that they should be killed.
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@wolfiedude14 Prove me wrong, prove tat I have misrepresented you. In fact I even gave you a chance in my last comment, and instead of responding to that chance, you just come here and attack me instead. "dude you realise one paper doesnt discredit a whole field of academia hahahaha" It was multiple papers, multiple publishers well renowed and multiple studies done for years. "really want me to laboriously type out my point of the USSR being state-capitalist" Yeah as proven before... you're not intellectual. Smart person wouldn't find typing as laborious.
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@wolfiedude14 Nothing in your comment addresses my argument. Your whole response focuses on me as a person. "And again let's say they were 100 studies, this still does not cause the collapse of an academic field, they're just shit papers." All renowed of the top field. There is no method in social sciences to actually test out hypothesis. Since they do not deal with empirical evidence but biased opinions that have no scientific base.
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@wolfiedude14 "I just can't even argue if you give me statements that are just wrong" I can say the same. Both of us think that other one is wrong. That is the point of arguing in the first place. " Like I don't even know how to proceed " It just proves how little cognitive abilities you have. "And your weird arguments against social sciences just don't hold up like whatsoever it kind of suggests you don't know what you're on about buddy." So pointing out that they have no reliable method to test their claims and that several bunk studies have been published by their papers, doesn't refute their credibility as scientific field? Tell me.. How are they scientific when they don't even used scientific method?
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@wolfiedude14 So I'm objectively wrong when I point out that social sciences don't use empirical method? Last time I checked it was a fact. There is nothing scientific in social sciences, that is why it's filled with nothing but bs studies that each contradicts each others. "non-scientific made no sense because these methodologies are literally scientific" Expect they are not. They are incapable to produce predictions, models, can't be repeated, incapable to do within observed enviroment. Generally very small sample sizes, made out of carefully chosen targets to twist the results. If it was scientific field, then people who scammed all those major papers on purpose wouldn't have been caught. In fact they revealed their tricks on their own. "Also ad-hominem dude lack of cognitive abilities? " Insult is not ad hominem. As I explained before.
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@wolfiedude14 In order for something to be ad hominem, it needs to be argument. That is the very definition of ad hominem argument. Ad hominem is short from argument tum ad hominem. "Now for your science thing which you are consistently getting wrong." How can you say that something is scientific when people can scam it so easily? Whole point of scientific method is to be accurate. Only empirical science has been proven to provide trustworthy results. What you call as hard science, is what science really is. "social science which is completely ridiculous as it would pretty much remove all theory on society, " Yes, and one should. Since they do not provide methodology to actually prove their hypothesis. "who made these articles were literally liberals and wanted to fix this area of study hahaha" I don't see how that refutes my point. I would describe myself as classical liberal as well, and they fall into same category. The "modern liberals" are generally bunch of people who don't know what liberalism is about. " it was 7 articles that were accepted this hardly disproves all of social science" Expect it does prove that they do not have accurate method to rule out people lying about results and using dubious methods that can literally bring any result they wish to bring.
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@No-hf5xb Oh I do understand it. It's precisely why I'm against it. Because I actually understand it. True scholars are well aware the dangers of your utopia.
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@FirstnameLastname-bn4gv "Right, there is no central government in a stateless society. That's in the definition. " You just keep contradicting yourself. There can central government in stateless society and it's must to have in communism. Communists literally cannot organize their society and co-operate with other communes without having central structure. You should actually read the dictionary. I'm using dictionary's definitions in here.
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@FirstnameLastname-bn4gv Rofl now you're liking your own comments., Now that's pathetic on multiple levels. " How have I contradicted myself?" By saying that stateless coiety can have government, while saying that they can't have one. " Wrong. Communism is, by definition, stateless." But nothing in definition of communism says that no government or central authority. State is different from government, learn the difference. " Why not? " How are you going to make a deal with other communes. How are you going to organize resources to make big projects such as space projects?. You need some kind of governmental body to do so. No single commune can sustain itself without help of others if they wish to do anything else than just farming. Once again, it's well proven by your very own words and questions... That you don't even understand your own ideology. You haven't bothered to think things through. When you hear communism, the all you hear is "free stuff and murder the talented people". But you fail to have any coherent structural philosophy how such society would run in reality.
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@FirstnameLastname-bn4gv " Wrong. I only said that stateless societies cannot have centralized governments. " You provide no evidence for such. You can easily have centralized government in stateless society. " Wrong. Communism is stateless, which means there is no centralized government authority. " Stateless is not same as without authority. Gorillas don't have states, yet they do have their pack leaders. " Correct. Stateless societies do not have states (centralized governments), but can still have decentralized governments." You still haven't proven this point. You keep saying it but you fail to demonstrate it. " Right. Those governmental bodies are decentralized in a stateless society." Literally no reason to do so. " I'll take that emotional, baseless accusation as an admission that you have no argument. Sorry you couldn't be civil. " I already stated my arguments, that was just added there that I do understand you psychotic desire to murder people. That's what you are by your nature. You just see communism as excuse to murder people. If you were living the past, you would've been crusader.
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@tate3117 Weird rants and ad hominem? You clearly don't even know what ad hominem is. Insults and remarks about you are not ad hominems. In order for it to be ad hominem, it needs to be in form of an argument. Such as "You can't know how birds function, since you're not a bird". Also I love how you ignored my actual points where I go in full detail why your system wouldn't work. Then you just come and say "you're just plain wrong" without actually demostrating so. "None of what you said makes sense. Kingdoms and cults form from power hierarchies." How did the first cult and kingdom form up, and how can you realistically prevent if when you devolve society back to tribalism? This is what you fail to get. You fail to understand that the system you proposed existed long in the past, AND IT GOT DESTROYED by far more efficient system. Communes simply can't exists in modern world filled with billions of people, they simply can't compete with organized bodies. Since your IQ seems to be pretty low, I try one more time with even simpler explanation. Friendship groups in schools. How do you think they form up? and have you noticed the ladder of hierarchy that is already established among kids? This is how first gangs and kingdoms were created. By group of friends, like minded people or worshippers. And they all follow the person who they see as most charismatic person. "The only reason a kingdom is formed is because if you try to break away, they will kill you with overwhelming force." Objectively speaking off.. No... You really lack of knowledge about world history. There are newly found countries that never had to deal with overwhelming force. And in modern world you're pretty free to migrate where you want. "The society would not be given the tools to create an overwhelming force. " Literally impossible. Anyone can produce a weapon and train his friends to fight. Anyone who leads the militia can use overwhelming force. Any commune that decides to take out other communes and turn them to their slaves, can do that. You are literally the most regressive people on the planet. You fail to understand that these ideas are tried and tested. Do you even understand warfare on simplest level? How are you suppose to plan strategies without any secrecy or hierarchy? Who is going to make commands and decisions? Are you going to make direct democratic vote over every decision in battlefield where split second decision making is vital? You think that mob army can create grand strategies of level of a genius who leads an army? Best yet... How are you suppose to even organize a militia on time before you're all wiped out? This is why most countries on this planet have their personal army ready to action all the time. You people are extremely naive. You would make a poor chess player since you can't think further than one step ahead.
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@tate3117 Ironically you're the one commiting ad hominem here. focusing on my behavior instead of my arguments. You're basically making argument here that I'm wrong because I insulted you. Insults are not to dismiss someone's points. I literally addressed your point in details. While you disregard them because I had added insult there. You literally commited ad hominem. Since you don't know what ad hominem is, let me enlighten your primitive mind more. Ad hominem is latin for "to the person", short for argumentum ad hominem. Are you capable enough to understand what argumentum means? Therefore insults can't be ad hominems unless they are used as an argument, like you are right now.
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@tate3117 Just look at you. Instead of addressing the problems of the communal living and how it can't defeat organized organism. You instead focus on me belittling your intelligence. "Focusing on behavior is not ad hominem." Actually it's when you use it to disregard the person's argument. To the person, remember? Also for your knowledge, I have been in official IQ tests and I'm far cry from being stupid. In fact qualified genius. So are you going to address the points or keep with your ad hominems while hoping that everyone including me will forget that you were incapable to refute them?
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@tate3117 Yeah, but at least I can comprehend why early communes got totally destroyed by kings and warlords of the past. No matter what sort of militia they raised, it was never match against well disciplined army that has effective leader commanding it. I also understand how criminal organizations and cults/religions are founded, and how such things can be used to take over the society. The thing is... In order for someone to be communist. They need to have low IQ and average amount of information. Their IQ needs to be too low to comprehend consequences of their policies and the flaws they might have. And their information would need to be lacking to understand that these things have already been tried in the past and have always failed for the same reasons. Thanks for the debate. I'm pretty sure that any outsider who is not part of your fanatical cult, can see that my arguments held more merit than, when you cried that someone dared to point out your personal flaws. You really have a weak ego. Which is pretty typical for communists. You guys are basically incels.
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@letsgetsomeshoes1239 All of those were gained without commies.
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@bunnypeople No need, since communists have habbit of killing themselves in masses. Or dying to starvation.
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@abandonedchannel281 "Everything from the Social Democrats of the west to the USSR " Western countries are not social democrats. This is misconception from people who never read philosophy of social democracy. Social democrats are basically guys who wish to bring USSR without civil war.
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@SlashCampable It's the opposite. I'm the patient one explaining to them, while they are just raging and yelling. "still believe that you're the only one in the room who knows what they're talking about." This part proves that you're really not a smart man. Pressure from majority never decide what the truth is. In fact lot of modern theories that are now accepted as obvious facts, were considered as "heresy" among the masses. "Do yourself a favour and never read any political theory ever," Actually I have, and I have met real socialist and communist who would hang you people for not understanding their ideology.
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@tate3117 I do care, and you suck.
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