Comments by "Tespri" (@Tespri) on "Donald Trump Doesn't Denounce Racist Anti-Muslim Lunatic" video.

  1. +DarKool81 "In English the word "bigot" refers to a state of mind where a person is obstinately, irrationally, or unfairly intolerant of ideas, opinions, or beliefs that differ from their own, and intolerant of the people who hold them" Anyone who claims that prejudice toward muslims is bigotry haven't really been following news going on in muslim countries, nor have they even bothered to actually study their religion. PS: Word bigot would in this case apply perfectly to you.
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  2. +Babylonthegreat 1. It's a religion of violence. That is an empirical fact. Go and fucking read Quran and then come back and tell how peaceful it's. Not only it's a religion but also political movement same time. Which makes it even worse. While in Christianity multiple passages says that it's not a political movement. And they haven't done the exact same thing. The fact that you state this proves that you haven't studied at all neither of those religions. 2. Nothing that Bbob70 has said would even imply that he is a christian. "Jews don't acknowledge Christianity as a legitimate next phase of their religion any more than Christians or Jews acknowledge Islam, even though all three point back to Abraham as their patriarch. I don't acknowledge any of them" Could you please same something that is relevant and not a no shit sherlock lines? 3. Fallacy. You're basically trying to make statement that all religions are equally wrong and inhumane. SJW much? It's like you would say that all 3 guys who murdered people, none of them did it more brutally. This only proves your lack of knowledge on those religions. edit: My comprehension is just fine. I just happen to see your underlying arguments and fallacies. Which you refuse to acknowledge.
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  3. +DarKool81 And people can't have rational motive for criticize Islam? Oh please this just sounds like that everyone else on the planet is irrational if they disagree even with one issue with you. "bigoted demonization" "And, once again, I have no fear of bigots." You did just contradict yourself. You are fearing that people demonize Muslims. How about you finally grow up and admit that only a fucking idiot would use word Bigot. That word has no value whatsoever. Just a buzzword and attempt to silence constructive criticism.
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  4. +DarKool81 Cognitive dissonance much? Tell me if you don't fear that people might demonize Muslims. Then why are you so aggressive and insultive toward people who criticise it? Hopefully this approach allows to get by your cognitive issues.
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  5. +DarKool81 Says guy who refuses to acknowledge that Islam is also political ideology and literally encourages them to kill people unless they want to be killed.
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  6. +bbob70 Well Jesus doesn't really contradict old laws. He came to fulfill them. Basically old laws still exists but there will be no punishment for you as long as you believe in him. However at least in Christianity you have the excuse not to follow the law. While in Islam if you don't follow you will die. Either the case. Only a fucking idiot would quote bible here. Simply because two wrongs doesn't make one good. Yes, mark and babylon. Both of you are idiots.
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  7. +Babylonthegreat "Are you smoking crack? I said, quite plainly, that Judaism gave birth to Christianity and Islam and that ALL THREE of those religions are equally fucked up. ALL of them are WRONG and NONE of them are GOOD! Got it now?" Clearly you weren't capable of figuring out... Really how stupid can you be? "ALL of them are WRONG and NONE of them are GOOD! Got it now?" Then stop defending one of them and finally realize that calling them all bad doesn't make Islam immune to criticism or that it can't be worse than them. "The old testament is still quite relevant all by it's lonesome... midrashes aside. Just ask any Hasidic, Heredi or faithful, practicing orthodox Jew." This part of alone says that you weren't simply stating that they came from same source. But that source is still relevant. While you ignore totally the sermon of the mountain.
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  8. +ChristianIce ACtually not every religion say that killing is floor. Some in fact even encourage it. "but that didn't stop even buddhist from killing 18.000 Jains for disrespecting Buddha." Neither did that stop people from killing Aristocrats in French revolution. People kill for their ideas, that doesn't mean that the idea itself promotes killing. Edit: Also new testament does kind of override old one. IT states that you no longer need to pay for your sins as long as you believe in Jesus.. Just saying...
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  9. +ChristianIce Your reply to me makes no sense. When it comes to the christianity you only follow what Jesus has said. When it comes to the Islam you follow muhammed. In Christianity Jesus is the highest arbiter what is right and wrong. If he says that old laws are meaningless as long as you believe in him, then they are. It's not cherry picking. While in Islam killing is encouraged heavily. In fact in case you didn't realize Islam happens to also be political movement instead of simply being just religion. Movement formed by a fucking warlord. The very rules in there clearly says that everyone who disagrees with them should be killed. You cannot find a passage from new testament which supports killing as much as ISlam does. There is a reason why fundamentalists Muslims are violent, and if you could even comprehend what word FUNDAMENTAL means you would get the point.
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  10. +ChristianIce "According to you." Is that all you can do? Now you're just poor troll. Real intelectual person would have made himself more clear. "LOL, no. There is this guy called "god" (you may have heard about him) and what he says kinda matter too...or at least, it should, if you believe it exists." You do realize that Jesus is basically that same god if you actually bother to fucking read the book. He is pretty much his own alter ego and the one who will have all the power in the "kingdom of heaven". This is basic stuff how the fuck you don't even know this? Even if you're a troll you're still retarded one.
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  11. +ChristianIce "Christianity is divided in 27.000 denominations that interpret the bible in a different way, not to mention that every single christian has also his personal layer of interpretation." And you know what is the common feature with them? You know why they are still considered as christians? Because THEY ALL FOLLOW JESUS. Simple as that. Having personal interpretation doesn't change what the book itself says. You can have personal interpretation of teletubbies telling you to go and kill people but that doesn't mean that it actually tells you to do it. However when it comes to Islam there is no room for this. It says very cut and dry... that you need to kill certain people. As I stated before it's not only a religion but also a political ideology. It's also a system to build your government around.
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  12. +Snackalackin' Not only that he fails to understand that simply being same origin of religion doesn't mean that God has the same characteristic in it. Yes both gods are blood thirsty assholes. However another one stopped demanding blood times ago, and instead demands worship.
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  13. +ChristianIce "Interpretations." No it's not. It's literally said in the bible that Jesus came to fullfill the old laws. He didn't come to abolish them but to fullfill them. If you knew anything about Abrahamic religions you would know that when you commit a sin you must pay it. Usually via blood sacrifice. Jesus in christianity is the ultimate sacrifice. That is why you don't need to pay your sins anymore as long as you accept that Jesus was sacrifice for you. This is the very basic tenet and there is literally no form of christianity which would claim that Jesus didn't die for our sins. That is why in Christianity you don't need to follow old laws anymore. "According to Bush, god is still demanding wars." Bush was an idiot, not skeptic nor was he religious scholar. He used that to rile up religious people who know as little as you do. Just like people have done violence in name of pretty much everything, including free speech. That doesn't mean that ideology promotes violence. I'm sorry but your level or arguments and trolling is just so bad that I'm forced to come into conclusion that your IQ is below the average.
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  14. +ChristianIce "HAhahaha, good. According to you, christians don't have to follow the 10 commandments anymore. Way to go!" That is correct. You don't need to follow them. Read rest of that part you quoted. People who break those rules will only be called as "least" in the heaven. But they still get to the heaven. They just aren't considered as most elite believers. "Look at what point of idiocy you are moving your arguments in the attempt of justifying your "Islam is worse, man, it is". LOL." Says guy who literally is ignoring the next paragraph. "Yes, I do, it's called history." You clearly haven't read it in that case. Dark ages wasn't caused by christianity but because of collapse of rome. Christianity did hinder scientific progress that is true. But same applies to Islam too. However in Buddhism there isn't any hindrance to scientific progress. Since buddhism is more like a life philosophy than actual religion. Crusades? Well if you actually did read history then you would know that crusades are backslash toward Islam which was aggressively conquesting Christian countries. Islam which founder was a warlord and advocate of war. Compared to Jesus who advocated act of pacifism. Maybe you should educate yourself. Since you clearly need it.
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  15. +ChristianIce Never said that Christianity rules. Is misrepresentation only thing you're capable of doing? Is intellectual honesty too much asked from you? I don't need to be christian nor like christians in order to see that Islam is far more dangerous religion than Christianity. OH and just go check all the people I have been subscribed and videos I have favorited along the years. You will see A lot of stuff that speaks against Christianity.
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  16. +ChristianIce "Well, you are the first atheist that doesn't see a link between the dark ages, the crusades and christianity" Then I'm first educated atheists that you see. Read the fucking history books. Crusades were merely response to Islamic aggression, and that dark age was caused by fall of Rome. If you disagree then provide some actual points instead of pathetic attempts to attack my character. " "christianity says that everybody is forgiven and everybody is going in heaven"...that is so ridiculous that not even christians dare to say such an idiocy." Okay now you're just outright retarded. Every christian believes that EVERYONE WHO BELIEVES IN JESUS goes to heaven. That is literally only condition you need to get in heaven. Even catholics do the "sin confession" in order to get to heaven. Where they confess their sins in order to get forgiven by god. "Either you are a christian or an atheist, you still are a christian apologist to me." Nothing I have ever said even implies that I'm defending Christianity. I'm all for you mocking it, however it's different to say that Islam is exactly the as bad as christianity. As proven you are unable to be intellectually honest person. Instead of addressing arguments you try to attack my character. You literally sound like pro-muslim apologist. "How am I pro-Muslim? When did I defend Islam? Can you read properly?" Same way as you think that I'm pro christian. Can you read properly?
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  17. +ChristianIce "Let's put it to a test. Christianity sucks as much as Islam. Do you agree? Yes or No?" How is that a test? "So we'll see who's the atheist and who's the apologist, here." How does that make me apologists for thinking that some religions can be worse than others? You have no logic at all. Both of them suck, however Islam sucks more. Simple as that. Just like buddhism sucks the least out of all religions.
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  18. +ChristianIce I did answer learn to fucking read.
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  19. +ChristianIce "So, your answer is no, you are just afraid to put it at the beginning of the sentence, whatever." I just happen to know what game you're playing. You're trying to say that person has to be apologists if he thinks that they aren't equally bad. "I won't waste my time looking word by word which one is more disgusting, because they reached the level of "complete disgust"." That doesn't make them equally bad simply because they have reached your subjective view of level of complete disgust. Any person who views stuff from objective view would say that other one is clearly worse. "So, you really think that makes me an "apologist"? " As much as you think that I'm Christian apologists simply for thinking that Islam is worse, even though I have stated multiple times that I'm not Christian and I have been enjoying a lot Christian bashing content during my stay on youtube. And that was the fellows point who you decided to block. He pointed out that you fail to self-reflect your own reasoning back at yourself. You failed to be objective person, instead you behave like a little kid. Edit: Also unlike christianity Islam is actually encouraging Genocide. Just saying... People have done Genocide in names of pretty much everything. That doesn't mean that the ideology itself supports genocide.
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  20. +ChristianIce He told you that you are muslim apologists right after that you told that I'm christian apologists. He used exact same reasoning as you did on me. You're literally ignoring everything said to you and refuse to acknowledge position people hold in here. "I can't stand that level of idiocy, the kid is gone, he's too stupid to talk with." No you were too stupid to get his point. He was pointing out that by same ground you accuse me of being apologists you could be also considered to be one. "vIf you want to have a civil discussion, I can explain you rationally and logically why christianity is as bad as Islam." I have multiple times. Not my fault that you decide to ignore it. In fact OP himself already provided pretty good evidence of how fucked up religion it's. "If you want to turn this in a "name-calling" competition, we both can do something more productive" Funny because that is literally the only thing you have been providing here.
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  21. +Snackalackin' Yeah I know, I did already call him out of being a troll. And same time pointed out that he is also stupid one. What he fails to get is that he literally will never even make me frustrated. I'm simply laughing at his pathetic attempts to make comeback. Of course he doesn't realize this and thinks that he is a successful troll. Like most trolls their IQ is too low to realize that people think them as a complete clowns. I have literally never met a troll who actually has things going well in their lives. Just failed psychopaths who try to vent their shit on others over internet. But as you said, he cannot be reasoned in normal adult level. The fact that he blocked you is evidence of that.
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  22. +ChristianIce First of all Jesus sword talk is literally a metaphor. He explains it same time. His point is that people have to choose between him and their parents. Not about waging war. Read with context for fuck sake. "but, whatever, he's seen as "the ultimate forgiving guy"." Not really only an idiot like yourself would say that. He only forgives if you believe in him. Atheist like me will get a lot of shit regardless what I do in my life. "The first is that this allows the ultimate cherry-picking," First of all when compared Islam, that is far better option than no option for cherry picking. Yes, in Islam it's impossible to cherry pick. "yet picking any old testament passage when it's convenient...but, hey, I am still the good guy, because jesus!" Because christianity is based in the new testament not to old one. Old one is just background. What makes them different from the Jews is the what Jesus did and said. "The second is what you were talking about, and it's "forgiveness" Now, looks like you can do the fuck you want, but if you repent, it's ok." According to Christianity yes. I know that is fucked up but that is the case. "That bitch that won't release marriage licences. There you have "christianity"." ??? Who? Marriage licenses? What the fuck are you gibbering? "She can impose her will on others, just because it's her faith and her jesus is good, therefore whatever she thinks is automatically good." False, and you know it. She does bad, but she will be forgiven as long as she believes in Jesus. Being forgiven from something doesn't make behavior acceptable. Someone can forgive murderer of his parents but that doesn't mean that he think that murder is act of good. "It's evidence that there is nothing "better" in being a christian, there's just the excuse of jesus to behave the way you want." Rofl the opposite. Because the very fact that it's easy to cherry pick bible makes it better than Islam. That is the reason why scientific progress did start from the west after the medieval ages. In Islam the book literally goes against scholars and scientists, saying that they should be killed. While in Bible nothing like that is even implied. Of course church did what it did, but that doesn't mean that ideology itself supports it. Just like communism doesn't support killing, but yet lot of people got killed under it. The fact that people can choose to still behave without being total dicks makes it so that we can live in current progressive and secular countries. Name even one secular country where most people are muslims. You can't find any... simply because Islam doesn't leave room for debate. Hence they cannot be equally bad religions. Otherone at least allows reasonable people be reasonable.
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  23. +ChristianIce "Yeah, that count as much as a muslims saying "when Allah says that, it's a metaphor". I don't care. At any point anybody can say "my interpretation is right, yours is wrong". It's not math, it's just myths." Literal commandments is different from someone talking in metaphors of what is about to do. Muslims follow the example of Muhammed, and example he showed is made into a law. There is no metaphors in literal example of killing someone for simply disagreeing with you. "I believe in him! It's just a statement, anybody can speak words." And? "Yet, muslims are killing each other, so they already show that they can cherrypick enough." As I pointed out. They are only killing the ones BREAKING THE RULES OF ISLAM. For fuck sake... Are you really that dense that you couldn't even remember that reply? "The old testament is valid, they read a passage of it at any celebration, they can take it as valid whenever they want. " Again it's irrelevant what happened in old testament since Christianity is based on new one not to the old one. The new testament is what makes them different from Jews. Religion 101. There is a reason why Christians have very different culture than jews have. "Hood County Clerk Katie Lang. You can find that story anywhere." You expect European knowing some random story from USA? "That alone proves my point." No it doesn't. It doesn't make them equally fuck up simply for having some fucked up stuff. You're basically saying that child murdering rapists is as bad as someone who simply kills kids.
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  24. +ChristianIce "This idea of yours that christians only care about the new testament has no basis in reality." Claim which needs to be backed up. "The old testament is quoted daily at every christian celebration, it is literally part of the structure of a normal celebration." Again because old rules still exists. Those rules tells what god thinks is right and wrong. However you are forgiven breaking them if you believe in Jesus. edit: In the past you needed to perform sacrifices either with your life or with something of valuable in order to be forgiven by god. I have told this about 5 times by now and you still keep repeating yourself. By breaking those commandments you will be only called as "least" in kingdom of heaven. "Really, are you saying that you've never heard a christian argument based on the old testament only? Really?!?" When it concerns morality yes. And marriage is religious ceremony. The most fucked up thing in our societies is the fact that married couple get's privileges that couple that is not marriage will not get. Which is why it's a human right issue if gays can't get married. Unless same rights are given to normal registered relationships.
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  25. +ChristianIce I like how you ignore rest of my comment to only give some incident as evidence which literally means jack shit. First of all I meant with claim that needs to be backed up that my idea is that christians don't care about old testament at all. Which was a strawman from your part. Second I pointed out what makes christians different from jews is that they don't need to follow old testament. They can and some will and some might want to enforce rules from there. But that doesn't mean that they actually need to follow old testament anymore, unless they want to prove that they are god's best buddies ever.
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  26. +ChristianIce "All I'm saying is that christianity is as bad as Islam because you can use any shit from the old testament." Not even in that case if pure old testament would be the case. Since Islam actively promotes violent conquests. Something that old testament doesn't promote. Yes there are rules how to treat war slaves, but most wars were basically orders from the god. Aka what some crazy cult leader decides that "god" told him. But when it comes to this time and age where most people are reasonable enough to ignore crazy cult leaders, Islam becomes problematic. Because it doesn't need cult leaders in order to justify it's actions.
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  27. +Tespri Also to add, it makes it better because there is room for reason in Christianity. There is room for kindness. Because people can ignore the laws no matter how religious they are. While in Islam you cannot do that unless you want to get killed. And this is where we come to the part of muslims killing other muslims.
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  28. +ChristianIce Huh seems like you can't conduct honest discussion since you had to remove my comment.
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  29. +ChristianIce CAn false flag. Which is totally normal thing to do from people like you. I will copy paste this comment and post it again in case you decide to repeat same again. Now first of all your "aand, I guess were done" part proved that you have serious issues. You expect that people are no lifers like you and should respond immediately after your comment. Not only that you think that everyone lives in same time zone. Now to the actual points. OP here already provided good quotes of Quran which promotes killing others, for very petty reasons. And when it comes to Sam harris, he is actually disagreeing with you. "You must destroy all the nations the LORD your God hands over to you.  Show them no mercy and do not worship their gods. Deuteronomy" Now you know what is difference between this and Islam? In this quote YOU NEED COMMAND FROM GOD. PERMISSION FROM GOD. To destroy nation. Or what part of "your god hands over to you" you didn't get? Now in Islam it's encouraged to kill everyone who disagrees with you even without god telling you to kill. Your second quote is the same. Now to the another point, which you have purposefully ignored because you cannot conduct honest debate/discussion. Is that unlike in Islam christians can choose not to follow old testament, since they will still get to heaven. While In Islam you need to follow by the book or you will get killed and tortured in hell. "Again, it's 27000 denominations, and you can start a new one just by saying "I got some very special magic underwear that allows me to understand the bible better than you"." Mormon's aren't christians. and name even one denomination that doesn't believe that Jesus died for out sins.
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  30. +ChristianIce "That's hilarious, like there is actually a god and people will wait for him to actually say things. Well, at least you tried." If that is only thing you can say to attempt counter my points then you're standing on weak ice. Because in religions there tend to be certain figure heads which claim to be in contact with god or that they can read his demands. Story of Moses is good example of this. Get rekt nub.
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  31. +ChristianIce "You can, but you don't have to." choice that Islam doesn't provide. This alone makes Christianity less barbaric religion. "The fact that the bible has more contradictions doesn't make it a better book" It does when it gives good people chance to be good people, instead of forcing them to do disgusting deeds. "claim they follow the good jesus, and then use all the shit from the old testament to hate on gays, people of color, women." None of this actually has anything to do with laws of the bible. That hate is justified in the religion itself by pointing that those things are either immoral or just bad for reason X. However gay people can still be gay, it just another sin in eyes of god but they still get to heaven as long as they praise jebus, while fucking another guy. "If anything, the contradictory structure of the bible makes it worse, not better." Rofl... well for person like you who doesn't care about lives of others then maybe. "Name calling won't help your case." Says guy who have been name calling others. "Providing something brutal that the Quran allows and the bible doesn't, will." I Did. I said OP provided quotes. You failed to provide quote which tells exactly the same.
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  32. +ChristianIce Let me guess, pretend not to see message and try to false flag it again?
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  33. +ChristianIce Messages don't remove themselves. Hence I have all the reason to suspect you either ignoring them or removing them. "What part of OP did provide them you didn't get? Here let me show you. " When the sacred months are over slay the idolaters wherever you find them. Arrest them, besiege them, and lie in ambush everywhere for them. Quran 9:5 Those that make war against God and His apostle and spread disorder in the land shall be slain and crucified or have their hands and feet cut off on alternate sides, or be banished from the land. Quran 5.33 " "There you go. Next time factcheck your argument before presenting it." you do realize that concept of doing good is very subjective? Especially in religion. In eyes of Allah killing infidels is doing good. " ^ This is what I said. Literally nothing to do with link. Especially since the message is still right there. Which means that you're ignoring it.
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  34. +ChristianIce ""Whoever sacrifices to any god, except the Lord alone, shall be doomed." -Exodus 22.19 " Now could you say which of the phrases that matches perfectly? You do realize that sacrifices during that time were about animals and money? None of this implies that you should kill someone. "You just said that even the Quran can be interpreted, you just destroyed your own point." Nope, I never said that Quran can be interpreted. Now you're being simply dishonest without any shame. What is good in Islam is based on what their religion says is good. Not what you think is good. hence it has nothing to do with interpretation. Just like laws in a nation tells only what is crime in that nation, not what is universal crime. Too complicated for you?
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  35. +ChristianIce Rofl Sam harris agrees that ISlam is fucked up religion and it doesn't make me christian apologist for pointing out that Islam is far more dangerous. But it's clear that you were now defeated and you're running away. "You think the Quran is worse than the old testament?" PS: That is still a red herring, when question is that is Islam more fucked up than christianity. Especially since Old testament also happens to be part of Quran. Just saying.. you suck so badly at this. Shame that you lack honesty of admitting when you're wrong. Bye ;)
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  36. +ChristianIce "I just understand the difference between doctrines and people." And I understand that people tend to also follow doctrines if they believe that they are true. "The fact that muslims behave worse, generally, doesn't make Islam worse than christianity." The fact that their religion supports it without any contradiction makes it so. "You have to be a complete idiot to miss the difference." You have to be completely idiot for not realizing how violent tenets of a religion can make good person into suicide bomber. "The doctrine was the same when christians were the oppressors, the doctrine was the same during the dark ages, it's the same fucking book that is now." Actually no they weren't. Most christians weren't even capable of reading the bible and Church refused to translate books for the common people. The early christians were a lot different from christians in the dark/medieval age. This was due to the fact that Latin was actually spoken language and christians were capable of understanding the book. Only an idiot like you would totally ignore the fact. "everyone who would not seek the Lord, the God of Israel, was to be put to death, whether small or great, whether man or woman" Yet you failed to give one for the other quote. Here is some more: "Muhammad is the messenger of Allah. And those with him are hard (ruthless) against the disbelievers and merciful among themselves."- Qur'an 48.29 "Fight those who believe not in Allah nor the Last Day, nor hold that forbidden which hath been forbidden by Allah and His Messenger, nor acknowledge the religion of Truth, (even if they are) of the People of the Book (Jews and Christians), until they pay the Jizyah with willing submission, and feel themselves subdued." - Qur'an 9.29 "O Prophet! strive hard against the unbelievers and the hypocrites and be unyielding to them; and their abode is hell, and evil is the destination." - Qur'an 9.73 That last one means that penalty for apostasy is DEATH. Now what is apostasy in christianity? "You've lost on all the grounds, so have the last comment on this, dear pigeon on the chessboard :D" Says guy who literally behaved like pigeon most of the time. Usually it's the person who is about to leave the discussion while claiming triumphant is the one who is acting like a pigeon ;) Now this matches you perfectly. You have been soundly defeated but you fail to acknowledge it. Instead you do pigeon stuff and try to run away. Edit: Also how the fuck you jump into conclusion that since old testament is also part of Islam, therefore it's all about repetition?
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  37. +ChristianIce But hey instead of wasting your time on trying to find quotes from old testament to match (totally pointless, even if you cannot find). You should be answering. Why the fuck old testament matters when were talking about which one is more harmful christianity or Islam. Because both for both of them Old testament is part of their religion, however only one of them offers chance to not be violent toward others. Golden question which you cannot ever answer. Well you could if you actually were a honest person but as we have noticed you aren't...
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  38. +ChristianIce "I consider the topic closed, I don't care if you don't agree on how and why the old testament allows being as a genocidal maniac as the Quran." Yes old testament, but not the new one. Only a fucking idiot would ignore new testament. In this case you would be this idiot. "Muslim fundies are a pain in the ass, they are the representation of how dangerous and violent a religion can allow you to be." That is how Islam is suppose to be. They don't represent extreme of that religion, they represent the base of it. Rest of your comment totally dodges the question. You're not telling how this makes Christianity as fucked up as Islam. you're simply telling your own personal motivation to ignore the facts. " I can support their narrative that "christianity is better", therefore empowering them with their christian nonsenses, and suffer the consequences." I don't see how you're empowering christianity by saying that both religions are fucked up, but at least Christians give breathing ground to rational people. Just check muslim countries. Atheist like as are literally against their laws and are getting killed there whenever found out. At least in Christianity where people think that their sins are forgiven regardless, hence they don't need to follow old testament. We can live and use our freedom of speech without getting killed. Hate it as much as you like, but without Christianity we wouldn't have secular governments. Think.
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  39. +ChristianIce No we didn't address. You literally provided nothing to counter it. I even asked you to name Christian group which claims that Jesus didn't die for their sins. Yet you named 0. Instead you went back and tried red herring with "common things with old testament and Quran". It's not running circles when I'm pointing out the point which you have failed to address and keep running from.
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  40. +ChristianIce "That was 30 september. No time to run in circles with you, sorry." And how does this negate the fact that THEY DON'T NEED TO, while MUSLIMS NEED TO. That itself makes christians far better religion, because it gives chance for people to give up on violence. You have failed to address this totally. Instead you start crying in your corner "but muh motivation is to avoid empowering christians by accident if I accept facts about differences that different religions have". xD
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  41. +ChristianIce Rofl, talk about being pigeon '"topic closed I won". It's just hilarious that you're not self aware at all. Might explain why you're such a coward and intellectually dishonest xD Bye :P
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  42. +Snackalackin' Yeah he has stated so many times "topic closed" "my last reply" etc. But as I said, he lacks self awareness.
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  43. +ChristianIce "Can't you see the number of comments we wrote?" That is relevant why? "Does it make sense to you to keep on writing the same things over and over?" It does make sense to force you to acknowledge the point which you have refused to counter while you try to dodge it. "It doesn't to me, deal with it." Not my fault that you're weak willed person.
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  44. +ChristianIce "someone insults me, now is my chance to run away from legit points" That's how you looked like 25 minutes ago. PS: there is no way he would be pissed of at you all the suddenly.
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  45. +ChristianIce "Does it make sense to you to keep on writing the same things over and over? It doesn't to me, deal with it. If you feel alone, read the old comments, it's ok" Says guy who still haven't answered to some points made previously. I'm not repeating myself. I'm merely trying to make you answer the points you have been trying to dodge. Now please provide any christian group which doesn't believe that Jesus forgives sins, and give evidence that dogma which forces people to kill others is better than dogma which gives people choice. You have failed to say anything to those points, instead you have been dodging it like plague.
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  46. ChristianIce OH you still keep defending Islam?
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  47. ChristianIce For being worst book? No there are books far worse than old testament. Twilight is good example of worse. That joke aside there really are literacies far worse. And don't forget, old testament is part of Islam.
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  48. ChristianIce  Yes and no, Quran does go into old testament in it's texts. What is your point? You're still trying to argue that christianity is worse than Islam?
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  49. ChristianIce Oh I forgot you mean that they are equally bad.
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  50. ChristianIce So you're still in denial that where jesus promoted pacifism and being a bitch, muhammed promoted violence and conquest?
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  51. ChristianIce Correct, christmas is actually pagan tradition.  The situation is bit reverse with muslims and christians. Muslims who take their religion seriously end up doing attrocities. Ones who don't give a shit don't. While christians seem to be 3 types of people. Ones who don't take it seriously, hence they ignore some of the terrible morals that god had. While some who acknowledge terrible things but don't know jack shit about the jesus part. Then third. Pacifists who throw their belongings away and become  basically monks. Closest one of "true" christian that I have met are jehovah witnesses. "Christians in Europe behave because secular people kicked their asses, they didn't "evolve spontaneously"." Christians behavior changed the moment when bible was translated for common people and making books became easier.
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  52. ChristianIce Nope, enlightenment had nothing to do with it. The people left catholic church and became protestants the moment they could actually read the book. Their views became drastically different at the time. Before this people had to believe what corrupted priesthood told them. It seems that you're not really familiar with Martin luther. Protestants haven't really changed after it. "You will find a line that teach you to kill the infidel, but you wanted to kill in the first place." Difference is that in christianity there is line that condemns the said action. While in Islam you can't find anything that would go against it. "Sure, they put kids there, read the Quran, and they will act accordingly. But you can tell young german kids how bad are the jews and get the same result." False equalization. Yes you can brainwash a person, but you can't say that Islam is like everything else. IT's religion that is highly violent one without any excuse. You're basically stating that we should just give time to ISlam and it will become like christianity today. But you're wrong, because Islam had as much time as christianity, it's just fundamentally different than it. There is no debate about the commands that mohammed gave. "..and that's what muslims do, btw. The Quran forbids to kill another muslim, it says it's the worst crime. So? Sunni say "Shia are not real muslims". Job done, 1 line." The thing is On muslims someone breaking the rules deserves to die according to them. And this doesn't match with your talk about jesus. You're taking in this case his words out of context and interpreting them on your own. BUT I REPEAT. IN ISLAM YOU CAN'T INTERCEPT ON YOUR OWN. Commands are cut and clear. Plus fight with sunni and shia is about who should be leader, they still follow the same rules. They only argue who should be the "pope" of Islam. 
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  53. ChristianIce "You know that the vast majority of christians in Europe are catholic, right?" The most secular countries you can find in europe, are protestants. Catholic church lost lot of it's power back then and the trend kept moving. It was one of the reasons why age of enlightenment was allowed to happen, instead of being snuffed out by inquisition. And only reason catholic church lost it's power. Because it no longer had monopoly over "truth". "Maybe islam will never progress, maybe it will, " This is what I meant. There isn't no such thing as religion progressing. Religions are static. When they progress they become new religion. Early christians are good example of how christianity was suppose to be. And that was when people could still read and understand the words in scriptures. "On the comparison on how strict the Quran is and how the bible is open to interpretation, I agree that if you take the Quran alone there's not much space for interpretation, but I remind you it was you, some comments ago, saying that the bible is valid for muslims too. So, you answered yourself, there." Old testament, not new testament. Jesus for muslims was totally different, and they comprehend him totally different. They say that jesus christians believe is a lie. So no, they don't take christian bible seriously on any level. You don't find a single muslim leader condemning words that mohammed himself have told. In fact mohammed is considered last prophet and only one who's words and examples should be followed. "and I also know for a fact that muslims can be secular." Only muslim who doesn't care about his religion, and has most likely born in west. Do you know what word ISlam and Muslim means? By definition one who is in Islam, can't be secular. "chances are they can find a way to not kill the infidels and stay muslims :)" You already forgot how they supported ISIS in syria? Or how they did commit genocide not long a go?
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  54. ChristianIce "Maybe muslims will never progress, maybe they will." Again it implies that it can progress, which religions don't. In case of christianity it was simply people actually able to read the scripture instead of blind trust in a priest. "You don't find  a single christian leader condemning words that Yahweh have told, and Jesus is Yahweh according to christians." Not all christians think him as yahweh, and again they don't condemn, they don't need. The purpose of Jesus was to make jews change their way. You understand what old testament means? Then guess what new testament is. It's basically new covenant between god and men. "Yeah, that goes for all abrahamic religions." No it doesn't, as I already said, christian who cares about his religion is pacifists. "Turkish metalheads present at my concert (that are the muslims I was talking about) didn't and don't support ISIS." What makes you think that metal music is against Islam? "Looks like you think that christians had some kind of inside revolution, while I am telling you that the age of enlightement are the main reason." For fuck sake they didn't have "revolution". They simply finally could read the book again and act like they were originally acting. In otherwords they actually learned about their religion. While you live under delusion that most christians could read fucking latin few centuries ago. And understood their religion perfectly. "Probably bot the protestant reform and the enlightement had a role, yet one called for a clean church, the other for a clean man without religious dogmas." Clean man without religion was only possible, because christianity wasn't viewed in same way as it was centuries ago. That is thanks to the catholic church losing their monopoly on what scriptures says. They could no longer pull shit up. You have shown that you have very little understanding over history, especially history of europe.
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  55. ChristianIce "No, it doesn't. It implies that people can ignore the idiocies of their books, like christians do." Again serious christians don't ignore it. And the ones who don't ignore it ARE PACIFISTS. "You know that the teaching of christ are sacred to muslims too, right?" They have different view of jesus, how thick are you? I said  this in comment before. "Then again, if you ignore the role of the enlightment in the creation of a secular europe, please, don't tell others that they have a little understanding over history. " Then again you ignore the reality of world where muslims have been accessed to enlightenment as we do. It wasn't enlightenment that changed, but the religion giving less fuck over what people do. In order for enlightenment to even take place, you needed less strict religion. Are you really that silly that you think that muslims haven't heard of ideas of enlightenment? They fucking spitting on those values. "don't tell others that they have a little understanding over history." Says guy who has proven to not know shit about european history. "Sure the protestant reformation was a necessary step, but that's not a reason to say that the same thing couldn't happen also for muslims." It can't happen to muslims BECAUSE QURAN ISN'T MISREPSESENTED BY A FUCKING CHURCH THAT IS ONLY ONE WHO HAS ACCESS TO IT'S TEXTS. Got it now? I repeat ISLAM IS NOT MISREPRESENTED, BY AUTHORITARIAN CHURCH WHO REFUSES TO LET ORIGINALLY PEOPLE TO READ IT'S BOOK. This is why "reformation" was possible. Because it really wasn't a fucking reformation.
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  56. ChristianIce "On that I agree, but you talk like it's impossible for muslims to live in a secular way and have a pacifist interpretation of the Quran." Because it's. For any serious muslims, enlightenment ideas are disgusting and heretical. There is no way to interpret Quran in way that it would allow such things.  "By doing that, you ignore the millions that are already doing it." No I'm not. Not everyone wants to fight to the death. Hence not everyone become a warrior of Islam. They aren't told that you must go and slaughter, they are told that they are rewarded if they do so. BIG DIFFERENCE. And I use christians as example here. Not every christian follow commands of Jesus. Which is why most christians aren't pacifists. "I hope you realize that if what I'm saying is not true, the only solution is to ban islam and kill who refuses to abandon it." Yeah I realized you were SJW sort of person. If that is the only solution you can figure out to solve problem of Islam, then please stay in denial. I don't even want to meet person like you in real life who's first suggestion is to kill those who refuse to abandon their beliefs, even though belief might be harmful.
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  57. ChristianIce "You dodge it. If you can't have a secular/reformed islam, what is the solution?" didn't dodge anything. Solution is that is should be legal and encouraged to criticism Islam.
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  58. ChristianIce Actually it's not legal. It's considered as hate speech.
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  59. ChristianIce Eu laws.
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  60. ChristianIce Hate speech laws. Look it up. In fact in germany they have thrown people to jail for that. Also EU laws govern all EU countries. In case you didn't know it isn't simply trade agreement anymore.
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  61. ChristianIce I already said hate speech laws of EU. "There is no law in Germany or anywhere in Europe to prevent you from criticizing Islam. You made it up." Hate speech laws are applied when you criticize Islam.
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  62. ChristianIce "How many people from Charlie Ebdo were arrested?" They were killed. Also that was years before hate speech laws. I like how you defend retarded system and it's laws. In fact you have long history of defending all the retarded stuff. Last time I remembered you were defending Islam by claiming that it was same as christianity.
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  63. ChristianIce I already did name it. Hate speech laws. Told you to even google EU hate speech. Which they are enforcing on many different social media sites. Even international laws article 20 states the same.
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  64. ChristianIce I did give the article of the law. What the fuck a you want  from me? I even said the name of the law. Use the fucking google.
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  65. ChristianIce How does quoting it prove it's existance better than fucking naming it? Okay fucking idiot. I'll quote it for you since you're too fucking stupid to use google. "In large part, the movement to circumscribe the bounds of free expression has its roots in three instruments of international law—the European Convention on Human Rights (ECHR), the International Convention on the Elimination of All Forms of Racial Discrimination (CERD), and the International Covenant on Civil and Political Rights (ICCPR). Article 10 of the ECHR, for example, grants the freedom of expression to all, but the exercise of this right is conditioned on conformity with the restrictions necessary, inter alia, "for the protection of the reputation and rights of others." The CERD and ICCPR, which also purport to recognize the freedom of expression, go a step further. Article 4(a) of the CERD obligates signatories to make "all dissemination of ideas based on racial superiority or hatred" a punishable offense, while Article 20 of the ICCPR requires outlawing "any advocacy of national, racial, or religious hatred that constitutes incitement to discrimination, hostility, or violence."" source legal-project. And since you live in a cave which explains why you're SJW. Google up what EU just did in this week. Enforcing companies to follow hate speech laws in order to prevent people from telling their opinions. EU is orwellian nightmare.
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  66. ChristianIce I know difference between EU and UN. Topic was EU and you asked EU law first and I provided it by giving direct quote from law site.
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  67. ChristianIce Awww after being provided evidence for you. You decide to resort same tactics as fundies do. Aka create ad hominem attack in attempt to ignore the argument said just before. You're pathetic. Just sad really. Fact is, muslims are abusing hate speech laws by saying that it's hate speech to criticizes them. Political left also agrees with them. You know people like you who think that  Islam is religion of peace.
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  68. ChristianIce Proved what point? My point was that there are hate speech laws and you said that no such thing exists. I provided evidence that those laws to you and then you go and call me as same as fundamentalist. You're sad troll and you're not only losing here but also on general public. I bet you're going to cry a lot during elections in France. Just like you probably cried when Trump won.
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  69. ChristianIce UN and EU can both enforce laws. Yes EU have written laws which applies to other countries. Do you even fucking know what EU is? EU creates laws and each EU member has to follow them unless they want to suffer from consequences. It's like USA without it's own army (which won't take for along since they already are planning to have one). "In EU is perfectly fine to criticize islam, SO YOU ARE WRONG, got it?" Then go ahead and explain why they are demanding facebook and every other social media outlet to stop criticism to Islam? Your stupidity is astonishing.
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  70. ChristianIce "Go ahead and quote the EU law that bans criticism on islam." Strawman argument. You are acting like fundie. I said they say that it's hate speech to critize Islam. Hence it will fall on the hate speech laws.
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  71. ChristianIce Because you're doing it via youtube while being anonymous.  Fucking idiot... And last time I checked you were defending Islam. In denmark it's crime to cricise Islam. Source Gatestone Institute. Article 266b in denmark's criminal code.
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  72. ChristianIce Nice ad hominem. Especially since you have proven multiple times that you are dishonest. Grow up idiot. You even lost the law debate, obviously you refuse to address doctrine difference since you don't know jack shit of that either. Bye coward ;)
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  73. ChristianIce Oh I only said bye because you gave picture that you were about to leave but apparently you didn't.
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  74. +DarKool81 I'm atheist too. However I have no idea what that has to do with anything? You can still be stupid or ill informed. "Yet, I defend them as a persecuted minority in the West. Look at your definition again then take a look at yourself." By definition you're a bigot. You have irrational fear toward people who have different opinion than you about Islam. That is why you're intolerant toward such people when you notice them.
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  75. All he said was that he is looking into that. By rational and objective standpoint. It's a actually most rational answer. Instead of either denouncing or agreeing. Rather look into it and see is it actually problem than jump into conclusions like you do David.
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