Comments by "Tespri" (@Tespri) on "Bernie Getting Slammed: "I’m Losing States 'Because Poor People Don’t Vote'"" video.

  1. +Sam Riley Then he wonders why majority of poor people don't vote for him... After all majority of poor people are white.
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  2. Paulo Cesar Ferraro "You are ignoring empirical reality in favor of ideology." Actually you're ignoring all the evidence going against bernies ideas. Also wall of text fallacy. you should create clear segments and leave bullshit out of your text. You're trying to appear as if you know a lot, even though the wall of text has very little actual points inside of it. That is common fallacy used by people who don't know what they are talking about. "The poor, either the 5% or 10% or 20% or even 30% located at the bottom of US society have significantly less per capita disposable income than their counterparts in Norway, Denmark, Sweden, Finland, Germany, Belgium, the Netherlands or Austria." Per capita is pointless to compare. All of those countries you listed, have more living standards than in USA. 10 000 dollars is little money when one day's meal costs 1000. So with this point alone I did already demolish over 80% of your wall of text. " There is no correlation between public debt, interest paid on debt and social spending. "  Oh yeah? Say that to scandinavian countries. And again I'm living in one.
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  3. +Whiskey Tom I'm sorry but bernie doesn't believe that you're poor. After all, white people just can't be poor according to him.
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  4. +Freeyourmind False, poor people didn't vote for him because majority of poor people in USA are white, and bernie slapped them in to face by telling that white can't be poor.
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  5. +Linton Mildone It's his personal belief since his believes aligns with that crazy group.
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  6. Linton Mildone Doesn't matter. I'm humanists too. Humanism is no excuse for racism that black lives matter does.
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  7. +Austin Fehrer Or maybe they don't want to vote for a guy who says that white people don't know poverty?
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  8. He sounds like bitter loser. Poor people don't vote? Well that's what happens when you say that white men don't know poverty. You expect them to vote for a person who insults them right in their faces?
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  9. +Liz Abella He didn't deserve poor people's votes. Saying that white people don't know what it's like to be poor is slap in the face of majority of poor people in USA.
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  10. Paulo Cesar Ferraro No they wouldn't. As a poor person who lives in a country where some of his policies are on work, I can see the bigger effects of his policies. Something that you're unable to see. Apparently getting less jobs on the markets and government forcing to take loan to keep welfare state up is good for poor according to you.  As my opinion I rather have a job than live on welfare.
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  11. Paulo Cesar Ferraro "Um, I made about six points in the text. And you could not answer any of them." No, you made one point the argument was the same in every one of them. You think that personal salary per capita tells about how well the country does, while you purposefully ignore how much does it cost to live in those countries. "I do not think that you know what is a fallacy." As someone who has debated whole life and been debate teams, I think I know better than you. What you committed here was type of Gish Gallop, google it up if you didn't know about it. It's fallacious debating tactics, where opponent tries to provide as many points as possible, while trying to make it huge labor for the otherone to address all the issues or even read the text. In speaken debate it's about spamming thousands of claims and then claiming that you won because there was one claim which opponent didn't address in time or forgot.  While in written debates you make ridiculously long wall of text which is full of irrelevant stuff to the point itself which could've been stated in 1-3 sentences. "It is actually disposable income per capita adjusted for inflation and purchasing power parity" No again, you don't take into account how much stuff costs in those places due taxes. "My points remain. Try again. " No it doesn't you still think that earnings per capita tells about how well country does. "Scandinavian countries have a significantly lower public debt than the US, Singapore, Japan or most of the others rich countries. " Scandinavian countries also have significantly LOWER POPULATION than those countries. Did you take that into account? This means that the amount of debt they have to get in order to pay welfare state is lower. However population also correlates with wealth of the country. Which means that since we have small population, we will also have hard time paying back LARGE DEBTS. You're dishonest person, but what do I expect from a socialist. You guys clearly did learn nothing from soviets.
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  12. +Kibstyle Smear? It's literally him stating that. Google it if you don't believe me. Oh wait... Bernie cultists.. Nevermind you guys believe that bernie is right on everything.
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  13. ***** Actually I believe that shillary would be worst candidate, then bernie. Also Why would anyone even bother to pay for trolls this late? Bernie already lost. PS: All it needs to enrage bernie fanboys, is simply state that he is bad candidate.
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  14. Paulo Cesar Ferraro "And again, the transformation to the measure of PPP solves it." Clearly doesn't. Oh yeah and in case youi didn't know. Minimum wage in Finland is 5,95e per hour And minimum wage in current USA is 7,25 dollars per hours That would be 5,65 dollars in usa at current rate. Oh talk about that beautiful bernie policies... So not only poor people EARN LESS from their jobs in Finland, they also HAVE TO PAY MORE FOR GOODS. "Depends on how much you collect and spend. There are countries with low social spending and high public debt and vice versa." Name one that is capitalistic and haven't been in war in recent times. "That's right, you moron. " Yeah keep on ignoring that no self respecting economists takes it seriously you fucking idiot. "India has a bigger GDP than Switzerland, not because India is richer, but simply because there are more people in the country working, consuming and etc." Which is why you shouldn't be retarded and think GDP as success of the country. "You can find anyone (especially economists) saying any bullshit. " I did name economist who disagrees. Oh and I love how opinions economists matter to bernie supporters when it's aligning with their agenda, but not when they tell that bernie would make USA's economy fall. "but experts say correctly that you should include other measures when analyzing differences between quality of life of countries." You're contradicting yourself. Or are you seriously saying that people in india live better life than in switzerland? "My God. Stop this nonsense about you being in Finland. It's fucking irrelevant. " How is it irrelevant to see first hand experience that it isn't working as you think? "Someone in Finland stating that this country has a higher debt than the US is also wrong. " I never said that Finland has higher debt than in USA. I said that the debt that FINLAND HAS IS BIG ENOUGH TO CRIPPLE IT LIKE IT ALREADY HAS. "You are now changing the point! " No I'm not. War consumes lot of resources from the country. Most debt that many countries get is during war time, due loaning for their war funds. That IS A FACT. "The point was that Finland has a lower public debt than the US and now you apparently realized this, but is hesitant to admit" No you fucking moron. I LITERALLY NEVER SAID THAT FINLAND HAS HIGHER DEBT.  You have done strawman argument, but as I said as beginning. You're dishonest scum, so what did I expect. Text without any logical fallacies? HaH bernie supporters can't provide anything else than fallacies. "Sweden and Norway have the current level of social spending for decades. Denmark increased its social spending recently, and by recently I mean the last decade, but has a ridiculously low public debt." again you fucking idiot, in fact let's do fact checking DENMARK. Sweden's debt is 213 535 722 578 Their population 9751329 Difference with USA is 33,19 getting number around it will be 33. So 33x213 535 722 578 7 046 678 845 074 19 183 165 792 326 See? The amount of the debt is almost the same as with Finland. Half of the USA's.  All of this debt is purely gained because of they are overspending on social services, literally nothing else. And you wish that USA would end up spending more in social services? Any fucking idea how much more you would need to take debt to sustain the same level as scandinavian countries? Taxing rich more? Well it might work for the first year. But after that when they leave the fucking country, who are you going to tax? Where are you going to get that money you need to pay your ridiculous programs? Oh yeah and norway and sweden both used to have lot of free trade and were highly capitalistic until recently. "What? What do you mean you imbecile? It depends on your definition of welfare state, but commonly it is considered that the US has been a welfare state since the 70 at least. " How does that make me imbecile? Are you retarded or something? Oh wait why do I keep asking this from bernie voters... Dude, the welfare state that you are having wetdreams. THAT Didn't always exists in scandinavian countries. "And Germany then forget it." German is center of the EU, it literally gains most from trade agreements in here.  "You also have not shown why we should all be afraid of public debt considering that the US has much more debt than Finland and the country is well in terms of economic growth at least." And you have shown to be absolutely fucking retarded when not understanding how these small countries ended up having debt that high, and how much bigger debt in USA could become if they implement these policies. "Why? According to whom? My God. Dumbass. " Are you fucking serious? You don't think that amount of debt isn't ridiculously high even for USA? Even with half of it's debt gone .USA WOULD STILL BE FUCKED UP WITH THAT DEBT. "The problem of Finland is not debt, but the economic crisis that makes the government be under pressure to cut spending as it struggles to balance the budget because the revenue keeps falling. It is unfortunately a spiral of shit. " Bullshit, debt was problem before the crisis. And literally every politician, citizen and economists were aware of that. Economic crisis simply made it worse since no one wanted to cut from social spendings. You think it's the hard global economic times causing this? IF that would be the case, finnish government including every fucking citizen wouldn't be now considering where to cut spending. "The decrease in activity in the traditional Finnish industrial sectors such as the paper industry, electronics and heavy industry for reasons such as lower demand by the global economy, or simply better competition. " Oh poor you... Too retarded to realize why those industries are suffering... It's not like it's the high payment of the workers demanded in those fields, it's not like the huge taxes made on those companies and the products they produce...  Literally no one in our country wonder why we can't sell our stuff to international markets. BECAUSE EVERYTHING WE DO IS TOO FUCKING EXPENSIVE DUE GOVERNMENT MESSING THINGS UP. And this mess up will continue as long as we don't fucking cut from spending or lower the taxes so that we can finally compete in international markets. In fact both of them should be done. Fucking idiot thinks that companies can compete on international markets when government is literally strangling them to death....
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  15. Liz Abella No, that is the common misconception. Poor won't benefit for voting for someone who promises to bribe them. We did already see perfect example of this in greek which whole economy went down hill when politicians promised to give more and more "free" benefits for their voters. What poor wants is jobs not unemployment benefits.
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  16. Liz Abella Well better than hillary for sure. I'm not american either.
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  17. Liz Abella Finland. One of those places that Bernie thinks as paradise.
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  18. +Alpha Regalia Sorry but bernie doesn't believe that white people can be poor. Hence he will be alienating majority of poor people. If something poor people would rather vote for trump. After all, he promises them more jobs, while bernie promises that poor would still be unemployed but with better benefits.
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  19. Dm Gray  "an altruist to be immune to the regressive left and bullshit identity politics." Aka worst possible candidate for president. 
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  20. Dm Gray If he can be tricke this easily, then he is worst possible candinate. He will pee on his pants when Putin says BOO and he will give USA for him for free. At least you need to bribe shillary.
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  21. Dm Gray Bullshit, he was so scared of black live matter activists in his own rally. "He fought for civil rights when people were getting murdered for it. " Oooo scary, go out with signs. "He fights against the most powerful lobbies in the world." Rofl.. and?
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  22. Dm Gray Sheltered life eh? Lived in worst neighborhoods in my country my whole life..: Sure sheltered as fuck. second it's not manners to let someone be rude and take your seat. Not sure where this thug talk of yours comes though.
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  23. +Anon Amously Please stop spreading around this myth that poor people are uninformed. In fact I have known poor people who are more informed than highly educated people. Just because poor people don't want to vote for a guy who says that they can't be poor. Doesn't mean that they are uninformed. Just because they rather want to see more jobs than better unemployment benefits, doesn't mean that they are uninformed. You would be surprised if you talked with actual poor person about politics. It's very possible that they would thrash you for your ignorance over issues.
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  24. Anon Amously What makes you think that person who doesn't vote for bernie is uninformed?
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  25. Anon Amously And intrest of common people is to be unemployed person who leeches money from government? LAst time I did check, common people actually want to have jobs. So they vote for candidate which plan seems to work best for having jobs.' Bernie claims that he is for common people, but he doesn't understand what common people want. Also money in politics is just red herring argument. Money actually influences nothing, money is simply tool to be used. For example in soviet russia there was no money, yet bribery and corruption was flourishing. Think about that for a moment.
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  26. Anon Amously "what? Bernies federal jobs program would be the best among the candidates from rapid stimulation of the economy." So taxing corporations and rich more, so that their companies can't fare so well anymore in international markets, and then increasing minimum wage almost double higher so that those companies are less profitable on international markets.  Some how stimulates economy?  Since when killing business was stimulating economy? " Soviet Russia had money and even if they didn't, bribery is using material wealth to influence decisions of others" Good positions in government jobs... etc.. There are plenty of ways. HEnce you can't blame money for corruption. "And its definitely not a red herring, money influences a ton in the american pseudo Democratic oligarchy. " It's red herring when the fact is that corruption exists regardless does money exists. " You're fucking insane if you're really saying money has no power in government, especially Americas right now." And you're fucking idiot if you think that taking money away would change that.
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  27. Anon Amously "legalized bribery and the revolving door. You make it sound like I want to get rid of money altogether" You can't be fucking serious... What makes you think that would change anything? "but you're trying to rationalize bribery." says guy who fucking says that bribery should be legalized. I'm not rationalizing bribery, I'm pointing out the fact that money disappearing won't change anything. 
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  28. +BramSLI1 So white people don't know poverty is a fact? GEnder wage gap is a fact? Blacklivesmatter movement's policies are facts? Poor people don't vote for bernie because he told them that they can't be poor because they are white.
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  29. BramSLI1 Google it out. I cannot post links to youtube.
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  30. BramSLI1 There is just fucking google it. IT's well known that youtube doesn't allow people to post links if someone has false flagged them for spamming.
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  31. Pandaa Bro He did say it, and not taken out of context. Google it out if you don't believe me.
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  32. ***** So everytime Trump says something, then it's true to call him racist and ignore context, but if bernie says something, then his religious followers will give excuses for his statement. "in this statement he's clearly speaking broadly, " Please even with context that whole thing is ridiculously racists and insulting. White people don't live in ghettos? Your apologetics is on same level as that shit face  William Lane Craig.
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  33. ***** Ghetto by defination is: the poorest part of a city. Are you trying to imply that government is magically putting black people on certain area? Or is it simply the case that cheapest housing is in certain area? If government isn't actively putting black people in ghettos, then by definition tehre are more WHITE PEOPLE LIVING IN SHITTY PLACES THAN BLACK PEOPLE. due the fact that they also are low income families and want to live in cheap houses. "However, a larger percentage of black people are poor than white people" Literally impossible. So bernie telling those poor white people who live in shitty neiborhoods "sorry but you don't know how it's to be POOR"  It's not like fucking poor white people actually have LEAST CHANCE IN THE SOCIETY to achieve anything. Especially since schools are already discriminating them by choosing black students into colleges simply due them having darker skin. Yes students with lower score get in due their skin color.
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  34. ***** "This is what you think it means, but it's not actually the case." Except according to dictionary it's the case. Concept of ghetto was at first refered place where hitler did move jews. Basically a jew neighborhood. Now days it simply stands for poor section of the city. "Again, this displays a serious, fundamental lack of understanding of the history of segregation and racism in America. " expect in today's america segregation does not exists. Well I do know that leftists such as yourself try to recreate it with safe spaces etc... "Suffice to say, this issue can not be simplified to housing costs." So you do believe that government is magically putting all black people only on certain areas, and black people have no freedom to choose where to live at all? "I'm not sure why you think this is impossible. It is not only possible but true." Because there is limit how poor you can be in country that provides social benefits for everyone. Hence being unemployed you will be as poor as anyone else. " Regardless, I can see that information isn't going to stop you from wanting to push your agenda and you're unwilling to do any actual research on this topic, so, best of luck with that." Oh the irony. Yeah keep making those ad hominem attacks while disregarding my arguments.
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  35. Pandaa Bro "I thought we already cleared up that Bernie in fact did not mean that there are no poor white people." Nope, you actually made it worse by stating that he believes that no white people live in a ghetto. "If anything, it is poor choice of words, but actually not even that in my opinion. " So it's your opinion, not established fact? In other words you refuse to believe what he said because of your bias. "How do you conclude that white people have the least chance in society to be successful? " Recent studies proved that poor white men have the worst in USA. Simply because there isn't any special program dedicated on helping them. blacks, women etc all have special programs providing extra help for them. For example black guy can get into college even by having less scores than white guy who is trying to get there. Which means poor white guy has less chance to get into college than poor black guy. Got it now? Poor white men have no special programs anywhere to help them to be successful.  "That is true as far as I know, but the numbers are actually negligible in comparison to all the downsides black people face in their lives and therefor put them at a serious disadvantage to be successful. " Excuses and bullshit. IF there are more poor white men than black men. Then numbers are on side of white men. Which means that you imply that poor white men should suffer more than poor black men. You're already suggesting racists ideas. "College is not the only thing that will determine how likely it is that you will become successful at some point and you know that, don't you?  " But it sure helps with it. Most successful careers demand college degree. Especially in today's age where almost everyone has college degree. Black people don't face anymore discrimination than white people. that is simply retarded. Under the law everyone is equal. You shouldn't give special benefits to black people simply because some people are racists. Oh and don't forget.. Black people can be racists too.
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  36. DyaniNC "If you are honest, you should at least conceded that many people DO use the term as Bernie does." What term?
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  37. Karoar12118 My saaaafe spaaaaace...
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  38. DyaniNC correct classical sense? Correct classical sense would be place where jews are forced to live. Now go fuck yourself.
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  39. +biggydx Bullshit, a lot of Trump's voters are poor. Poor people simply don't like bigots such as a bernie who says that white people can't be poor.
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  40. +BruceLeedar It's more likely that they are voting for Trump who promises more jobs, and someone who isn't saying that white people can't be poor.
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