Comments by "snuffeldjuret" (@snuffeldjuret) on "ABC News" channel.

  1. they can't sue: https://www.core77.com/posts/93043/Surprise-The-Space-Force-Logo-is-Not-a-Rip-Off-of-the-Star-Trek-Logo Flags have gone into space, even to the Moon! Space Force is not about putting people in space, it is about protecting space assets, and you do that most efficiently without humans. In 9 days, they are back to sending Astronauts to space from American soil on American rockets.
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  2.  @markhill3858  does that mean you agree with what I said?
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  3.  @markhill3858  I am not avoiding the question, the question is not for me to answer. Call it pedantic if you want, I call it being correct. The fact is that the reason why it is similar is because Star Trek was inspired by NASA logo, and Air Force Space Command a.k.a. Space Force was as well or taps into the same thing that inspired the NASA logo. Other space agencies have striking similarities as well, only reason you mention Star Trek is because you might not know the logos of e.g. ISRO, ROSCOSMOS or CNSA. If anyone would sue anyone, it would be USA suing Star Trek. This whole thing is just a case of people seeing the copy before the original.
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  4.  @markhill3858  what do you want my answer to be? How would you answer the question yourself? Since you desperately want me to respond I'll say: "I don't know". That is not an answer though. I am sorry, I just don't have it for you. I can only speak about what I know, and that I have done. Again, as you avoided addressing what I said about the logo, I presume you agree with me. Or are you avoiding the topic? I didn't think you liked when people avoided topics of conversation ;).
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  5.  @markhill3858  "... but no one on earth would not think Star Trek on seeing it." That is besides the point. "My question is about the point of a "space force", as in a militarised space agency. Is there any point in this? or is it playing on the fantasies of the ignorant to make trump look good?" Are you talking about the point in making it a separate branch? Or are you also talking about the previously long time existing Air Force Space Command as well? Do you have any insight in other countries similar projects? "In comes a burst of bullet sized stealth objects at .01 light speed. Impossible to spot, impossible to stop, and indistinguishable from natural meteors." Is this a capability e.g. Russia or China have? Citation please. Drawing up scenarios that are not reality is not interesting when we deal with a real life situation. "A "space force" would cost a million times more than just replacing the satellite, not to mention being totally useless." How do you know? What qualifications do you have to make that determination? As you didn't lay out anything that can be reviewed all I can do is take your word for it, and I won't do that unless you have some serious credentials. My alarm bells go off when you start talking about a percent of the speed of light, that is 30 times faster than the currently fastest human made object. It takes time to replace things, if crucial infrastructure is destroyed in the beginnings of a conflict, you can't just replace/repair it before the ramifications has come. "So yeah I mock this Star Trek flag." if you have an issue with the mission, it seems misplaced to mock the flag. That makes it look like you only have trivial complaints about the issue. "Or do you seriously advocate the development of some crazy ww2 style "space fighter" like in star wars or battlestar?" Why do you imply I do? I never claimed I did and never gave a hint that I do. Is that the plan for Space Force? What is the budget for that? Have you looked at it? "Tell me what the point of this bullshit is..." Same point in having the Air Force Space Command, which is like 38 years now. Now, instead of answering this question I will let Neil deGrasse Tyson answer for me: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NhuIz94W9_4 Maybe you are inclined to listen to him more than me? It starts with Neil saying "I remember recommending a Space Force in 2001, on a 12 member commission, to which I had been appointed by George W Bush.". You might be interested in his chat with Joe Rogan about this issue as well, a little longer but surely worth a listen: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ipY0bhU2fe4 "... apart from making trump look good to the completely scientifically ignorant (ie his "base")" I have no doubt this is a part of it, and trying to build a long lasting legacy. I would think the same regarding landing Astronauts on the Moon before 2025, but Trump doesn't seem that excited about that so am inclined to not think so. "It also occurs to me that a "space force" is potentially a replacement for nasa ..." But that is not what this issue is about. "What do you think this flag is for exactly?" Everything has a flag, basically. The existence of the flag itself cannot be a cause for concern.
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  6.  @markhill3858  Did you watch the video of Neil explaining his thoughts? This was set in motion way before the virus was known. Space Force was founded 5 months ago and Trump started talking about it over 2 years ago. As Neil said, it sort of got going in 2001 but not until 2017 really when it got passed in the house: https://edition.cnn.com/2017/07/14/politics/house-passes-defense-bill-space-corps/index.html Or do you mean the point of unveiling the flag? You have to be more specific so I know what you talk about. I don't know how much time he spent on this, I bet he didn't spend many minutes of it. Do you know? A bit closer to a forth than a third though, and reported deaths as well. We know quite little about actual deaths. Again you are shifting focus, so I won't respond further to that tangent.
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  7.  @markhill3858  I kind of like it, but in all honesty I am quite indifferent about it. Funny how you say that you have bigger things to worry about ,yet you are the one worrying about a flag? You still call it stupid but haven't been able to produce one argument that stands up to scrutiny for why it is.... To top it all off, you are wrong again when assuming I am American. I, just like you, am not. Are you trying to be wrong about as much as possible, or what is going on with you? I am actually quite puzzled. If you were me, what would you think at this point?
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  8.  @markhill3858  presenting an unrealistic scenario is not an argument. The validity of Space force doesn't rely on me figuring out how to fulfill the mission, that is their job. One thing that comes to mind though is something similar to "mutual assured destruction". You can indirectly defend your satellites if you are able to take out the satellites of a potential enemy. That way no one dares to attack. As you are not American and thus are not specifically interested in your own tax dollars or such, are you also criticizing the Russian Space Force? https://eng.mil.ru/en/structure/forces/cosmic.htm I find it a bit strange that you focus so much on the U.S. one and haven't said a word about the Russian one.
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  9.  @markhill3858  oh, that's it? That is the best you have? :P
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  10.  @markhill3858  try me, I have after all completed more physics courses at the University than most people. Neil Tyson is an Astrophysicist as well, so I don't think you can play that card without having actual arguments. PLEASE do the math if you can, I would LOVE to see it (as you might suspect, I have studied math as well). As I said earlier, my physics knowledge is what makes my alarm bells go off when you talk about ASAT weapons traveling at 0.01 of the speed of light. Methinks you should focus more on making actual arguments instead of trying to insult me. Now go, I have my TI-83 ready! I have a slide-rule as well actually, but is something I normally use just for fun.
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  11.  @markhill3858  and how do you propose you get them to the target in LEO? Their lifespan seems awfully short: "All mesons are unstable, with the longest-lived lasting for only a few hundredths of a microsecond."
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  12.  @markhill3858  but you heard him call it "not a stupid idea"? You heard him say he suggested a Space Force 19 years ago? Funny how you complained about me ignoring your question earlier, yet you are very willing to ignore my questions to you. Acting in bad faith I see. Very honorable of you.
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  13.  @markhill3858  I know about it, but you will never be able to utilize that method for ASAT-purposes. Now, show me your calculations where you describe how a meson-gun can destroy satellites. I am waiting. Obviously I know you can't, as you are just making wild and desperate guesses here.
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  14.  @markhill3858  the fact that you have to exaggerate to try to make a point means you don't have a point at all. As this will never get anywhere I'll get back to one of the original points. You wrote "... and the usa still hasnt built anything new since the shuttle retired that can lift a man even to low orbit delusional fucktard" Given that, will you watch the launching of Bob and Doug into space, riding a Falcon 9, on the 27:th? I hope that is a question you can answer :).
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  15.  @markhill3858  that is a distinction that doesn't matter in the argument you make. As the U.S. is a capitalistic society, it was always private companies building the rockets etc. during the space race. Same as now. Back then, private companies received money/contracts to do things, just like SpaceX and Boeing have now with the commercial crew program: "Under the Commercial Crew program, NASA awarded SpaceX about $3.1 billion and Boeing about $4.8 billion over the past decade to develop spacecraft to replace the Space Shuttle." SpaceX is a lot tighter bound to the U.S. than you might think, so this would be an interesting read for you: https://www.popularmechanics.com/space/rockets/a23080/spacex-elon-musk-itar/ "SpaceX Can't Hire International Rocket Scientists Even If It Wants To ... Musk explained that he'd like to bring in international talent, as he does at Tesla, but that U.S. laws restrict him from doing so."
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  16.  @abuafak846  if he is talking about the modern NASA-logo (the "meatball"), it's from 1959 as far as I know.
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  17.  @abuafak846  personally I think it depends on what element of the logo you look at, and how you determine likeness :).
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  18.  @abuafak846  sounds like you are describing the NASA logo, except for the angle. Sure, but this logo goes back almost 40 years at least. NASA logo even longer.
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  19.  @abuafak846  I have, I am a big fan of the franchise! I still have half of the original series left to see though, I am savoring the last episodes I haven't seen yet :). Oh yea, I haven't watched the animated series neither. I am not sure when the Star Trek logo used in this comparison https://twitter.com/CNNPolitics/status/1220942889708113926/photo/1 was created, but I would not be surprised if it is later than this one: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Air_Force_Space_Command_Logo.svg You could argue that the Air Force Space Command arrow is too similar to Star Trek arrow, but that is setting a way too high standard. The only similarity is that both are pointy and have four corners, same as ROSCOSMOS, ISRO and CSNA (Russia, India and China space agencies. Google them if you don't know how they look already ;)). You could argue that NASA is the same as well, although its pointy thing is very thin so it could be more different as it has "no area". That is just how I look at it, when you investigate and try to take the most rational stance I don't see anything to be upset about. "...Trump could't have an original thought if his life depended on it." Not sure how I was supposed to get that from what you wrote. I am not sure if he is involved at all in designing the logo. I suspect not, and if anything he would have had very little creative input, so your complaint seems a bit unreasonable imo. I am just here to discuss the logo, not discuss Trump. Personally I think it makes perfect sense to have it very similar to the Air Force Space Command logo, because Space Force is just that renamed and branched out.
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  20.  @abuafak846  how do you even know HE was involved in choosing the logo? It is not a blatant rip-off, as I argued. Did you read it?
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  21.  @abuafak846  that doesn't mean he was behind the design, at least not from the way you describe it. Not sure why you say sorry when you didn't say anything that argues against what I said. Personally I kind of like the logo as the arrow looks like the ship from the 1979 Atari game Asteroids. Why do you think I am a Trump supporter? Do you realize how stupid you look when you write "... but you, as a trump supporter ...", when talking to a person who is not? I am not even American, I'm Swedish. Is being unbiased, rational and objective really that strange to you?
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  22.  @abuafak846  you may very well call me European if you like. It is common practice to call Europeans European. Why does me being rational seem odd to you? Because I stick to the topic? Because I present actual arguments? You are the one ranting about Trump when we talk about the likeness of two logos. Why would I have had to visit the U.S. to be able to talk about the likeness of two logos? It seems like living over there didn't help you when comparing the logos of Space Force, NASA, Star Trek, ISRO, ROSCOSMOS and CSNA with each other, so not sure what that is all about.
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  23.  @abuafak846  if that is your argument for why I am not rational, you have no legs to stand on. I do not support Trump, but maybe I wasn't explicit enough when I wrote: "Why do you think I am a Trump supporter? Do you realize how stupid you look when you write "... but you, as a trump supporter ...", when talking to a person who is not?". What did you think I meant by writing that? I am quite curious about that. Or maybe you don't really read what I write?
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  24.  @abuafak846  I am not saying you are wrong about Trump, I am saying you are wrong about me supporting him. I am not sure why you don't realize that when I have said it twice before, thrice now.
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  25.  @abuafak846  also, could Limey Lemon have been talking about the Apollo 15 logo? In that one, they have 3 curvy shaped arrows, just like the Star Trek logo: https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Apollo_15-insignia.png As far as the validity of the claim, I don't know which one was designed first. Do you have any educated guess?
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  26.  @abuafak846  you don't know if it is his specifically. Even if he is, he would not be ripping of Star Trek, but the old Air Force Space Command logo and/or NASA logo if anything. But as I pointed out with numerous examples, no one is ripping anyone of, everyone is just using the same symbol of flight, an arrow with four corners. This is what I mean when I say I am rational, unbiased and objective. When judging the likeness of the logo, I don't even think about Trump, I just look at the actual similarities and origins of the visuals.
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  27.  @abuafak846  we can read that "The Starfleet Command seal was first seen 'Homefront' (DS9) and later in 'In the Flesh' (VGR), although the agency itself, of course, dates back to the original Star Trek series. The symbol was intended to be somewhat reminiscent of the NASA emblem." at https://www.ex-astris-scientia.org/inconsistencies/sf_command_emblem.htm And oh btw, that is a quote from Mike Okuda.
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  28.  @abuafak846  that was not your initial claim. In your second comment you make your first claim: "However it still looks more like Star fleet, from Star Treck, than the 1959 NASA logo." Not sure why you say something that is easily shown to be false, just go back and read the conversation yourself. Maybe you are thinking about another thread? In your first three comments, you are only talking about the likeness of the logos. That is what the discussion is about, and then you try to shift the focus for whatever reason.
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  29.  @abuafak846  because I am neither Swiss nor a Nazi. It is funny how you retort to these feeble attempts at insulting me when I show how you are wrong about this whole logo debacle. Kind of makes you think, right? It is as if you have trouble being wrong about things. Why is that? Why not be humble and realize and accept that you are not infallible. I mean, surely you don't think you are infallible, right? That would be insane.
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  30.  @abuafak846  I have argued for why it isn't and you haven't been able to produce one single argument for why I am wrong. Being a fellow Trekkie, I did you noticed that I quoted Mike Okuda. You do know who that is, right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Michael_Okuda
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  31.  @abuafak846  I have as well, and in addition to that I have well enough formed arguments that you can't counter. That is why my claim is much stronger than yours. Yes please google Mike Okuda and then comment of the significance of the quote "The Starfleet Command seal was first seen 'Homefront' (DS9) and later in 'In the Flesh' (VGR), although the agency itself, of course, dates back to the original Star Trek series. The symbol was intended to be somewhat reminiscent of the NASA emblem."
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  32.  @abuafak846  Trump was barely involved in this, the sooner you'll get that the better. Maybe you have already gotten that by now though?
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  33.  @abuafak846  lol, Carell doesn't play Trump, Trump is the POTUS in that series and is never shown on screen. You only see tweets and people referring to what he has said. It truly is revealing that you think Carell plays Trump, it puts your inability to interpret things correctly on full display.
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  34.  @abuafak846  I wasn't referring to anything other than the shows use of the term POTUS, which I know because I have seen it. Also, "never shown on screen" is a common way to phrase this in TV. No matter if I referred to The Salt Lake Tribune or if I am unoriginal though, you were wrong about Carell playing Trump and you need to deal with the fact that you thought so and presented that as a fact. It doesn't matter how much you try to hit back, you were so obviously wrong and even you realize that. You were also wrong about me not seeing the show, but that is not obvious, so I can let that one pass. But I will scold you for claiming something you can't know, so shame on you for that as well. I liked the show btw, but some things were a little weird like them showing a Russian rocket when talking about when India sent a rocket in space, what was the purpose of that? Did you get that when watching? Or maybe you haven't gotten to that episode yet? Or maybe you don't actually know how the Russian rockets and Indian rockets look like? I wonder which site you will imagine I refer to when I talk about how this inconsistency in rocket display. This will be good, I am waiting for your next reply with anticipation :). If you have the balls to respond that is, which I am starting to doubt. You have embarrassed yourself quite a lot so far and I don't see you being able to repair that. Carell playing Trump, hahaha. You think I haven't seen the show yet you are the one that doesn't understand the main character. That is rich :).
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  35.  @abuafak846  yea that is right, you have no reply to that. I am right and you know it.
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  36.  @abuafak846  hahaha, no honey, you are the triggered one. Great projecting there dude. I am just intellectually owning you at this point for fun ^^. If you have an interesting comment about the Russian/Indian rocket mix up from Space Force, hit me up. If not, you clearly have nothing useful to say so maybe you shouldn't reply at all :).
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  37. I guess he starts in 10 days :).
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  38.  @birdveli6429  he/she commented on your implication. IDIOT.
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  39.  @NotYourAverageTrucker  everyone's gangsta until China sends up multiple ASATs.
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  40. what thing is the logo though?
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  41. not secret in any way.
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  42. not sure how smart she is, given the very stupid things she has said.
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  43.  @Tht1Gy  given that she was leading the polls at one time, her downfall comes down to her saying the wrong things. I just recognize that fact.
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  44. and Tulsi-Bae.
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  45. If you think this is good? look at real comedy: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bJvS4aTcUyQ
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  46. https://www.core77.com/posts/93043/Surprise-The-Space-Force-Logo-is-Not-a-Rip-Off-of-the-Star-Trek-Logo
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  47.  @wargodsix  I actually spent some time to look into this. What is your best argument for why it is? I.e. what do you think/believe I missed?
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  48.  @wargodsix  I know how it looks, but looks can be deceiving. Did you read the link I sent you?
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  49.  @wargodsix  I am a big Star Trek fan and I disagree with you. I have done my research into space related logos and I don't think you have a case.
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  50. I am, I have high hopes! This whole thing is so funny, including the over-reacting from the nay sayers.
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