Comments by "snuffeldjuret" (@snuffeldjuret) on "Zaid Jilani: Why Deplatforming WON'T Lead To Less Radicalization" video.

  1.  @ddman10001  what you are missing though is that twitter is more of a monopoly than a bakery. Twitter is more comparable to essential services as well.
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  2.  @cookergronkberg  as I said, they are regular joe in what they say compared to IS. Listen to what I say so you'll understand what I say. Now present evidence "that deplatforming reduces radicalization" when these type of channels are deplatformed. "Pretty sure they all still have bitchute channels so they havent actually been silenced." Exactly, that is the point. You cut off one head and two grow back, you only make them stronger as you vindicate them and allow them to play the victim. Also, LEGENDEN and SwebbTV didn't even have 100k subscribers. Btw, just so you know, I dislike all this channels, don't think otherwise. And LEGENDEN even blocked me from commenting on his videos, so I feel absolutely zero sympathy for him as youtube blocked his speech just as much as he blocked mine.
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  3.  @cookergronkberg  "It's a pretty simple concept really." That doesn't mean it has to be true. "Reducing access to mainstream platforms for these groups reduces their influence." But this isn't really what we are talking about. That claim seems to be about one specific group and doesn't say anything about long lasting effects. This discussing is about no group in particular and about long lasting effects. "You can find countless papers on this" Then give me an example.
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  4.  @cookergronkberg  only by showing Proud Boys aren't as crazy as the media portrays them, and who's fault is that? Also, PB are not terrorists, so I think your perception is flawed here. Work on that.
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  5.  @cookergronkberg  not according to the Anti-defamation league. Are you anti Anti-defamation league? That is not a good stance to take mate.
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  6.  @cookergronkberg  the thing is that people don't act based on what is true, they act based on what they think is true. So you have to set up a society that functions when people act on what they think is true, not on what is actually true.
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  7.  @cookergronkberg  but let's be pragmatic.
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  8.  @cookergronkberg  don't go off on a tangent.
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  9. what do you mean with false equivalecies?
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  10.  @seansmith3058  describe in detail how you think Zaid compared this to Egypt. Also, is it bad to compare things if you don't equate them?
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  11.  @seansmith3058  I did watch it of course and my point is that I don't think he compared them like you think he did. If you make a claim, be ready to back it up.
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  12.  @seansmith3058  what do you think he means when he says "same mistake"? What is the mistake that was the same in both situations? Because that is the comparison, right? If you think backing up your claim is wasting your time, don't comment to begin with.
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  13.  @seansmith3058  "I have backed up everything I have to say." You really haven't, you have just repeated your claim. That is not enough in a rational discussion.
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  14.  @theaviationist.5719  he is talking about Egypt as another attempt at trying to stop opinions existing by trying to remove them from the public. "But this equivocation nonsense gets to me." What if there is no actual equivocation? What if that is just your interpretation? Have you heard of "principle of charity"? Look it up!
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  15.  @seansmith3058  I use the language the person I talk to use. Makes things easier.
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  16.  @seansmith3058  I'm sorry for calling you on your bs, didn't mean to hurt your feelings.
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  17.  @seansmith3058  my point is that you are not making a good argument. Now do us both a favor and shut up as you said you would.
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  18. huh? what makes you say that?
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  19.  @cookergronkberg  are you talking about deplatforming IS now? And comparing that to deplatforming regular joe?
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  20.  @cookergronkberg  regular joe has, when you compare a person to IS I.e. computing forever is a regular joe, if you compare him to IS. Please tell me where computing forever has incited violence? You won't find it mate. Oh, also SwebbTV. Tell me how they have incited violence? Tell me. Also, climate change denier channel LEGENDEN (which I hate, obviously). These people are not inciting violence.
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  21.  @dr.science_0177  do you think that a person's speech should be banned if they spread misinformation? Have you ever lied in your life lol?
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  22.  @drewchk5254  you are aware that they ban people who had nothing to do with the raid, right?
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  23.  @dr.science_0177  it is still misinformation. If you want to make spreading misinformation illegal, you have to be waaaay more detailed in your statement.
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  24.  @gaim44  so you support the bakery that do not want to serve the gay couple?
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  25.  @gaim44  what happened to "its a private company they can do whatever they want"? Of course you can find differences and choose to think those differences matter, but going that route would be irrational. Also, was they really "denied service because of sexual preferences"? Wasn't it about what they ordered rather than that they ordered at all?
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  26.  @gaim44  so you would be fine if a bakery has a contract that you can only buy a cake with certain customization options, that the users have to agree to?
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  27.  @gaim44  you don't think that is quite a loop hole as that essentially allows any company to deny service to any person?
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  28.  @jerkchickenblog  how is it a straw man? Maybe you are just interpreting incorrectly what he says? Ever think about that?
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  29. because you want things to get better?
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  30.  @michygeorg  no, it is also a question if we, as a people, want to put pressure on twitter/facebook to stop the stifling of speech.
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  31. there are lots and lots of people being deplatformed who do not incite violence. Surely you know this, right?
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  32. lol, so you are calling him a hack because of what you think he would think. What if you are wrong?
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  33.  @cookergronkberg  you are aware that the time is limited on this clips, right? There is only so much you can talk about, and the topic of conversation was the bigger picture here. Also, that may be, but your original comment was pure speculation presented as fact, which look really terrible if you want to call someone else a hack. I mean, honestly, do you think you will convince a single person writing stuff like that?
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  34.  @cookergronkberg  but you are aware of these videos normally being under or about 10 minutes, right? Lol, you want him to continue talking about this in another segment about another topic? C'mon mate, that's just not practical. But when did he say he is for absolute free speech?
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  35. who is making that argument?
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  36.  @Hayanomie  you do realize that there are tons of people getting banned who had nothing to do with this?
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  37. "Nobody was convinced that Hilary was the rightful president and that Trump "stole it"" I presume this is written in hyperbole, right?
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  38.  @Hayanomie  were you being serious when you wrote that? The thing I quoted you on? Not only single person in America? Do you have any evidence to back that claim up?
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  39.  @Hayanomie  but Zaid didn't talk about how many people there were who tried to overturn it right? Only about how many believe it was stolen or whatever?
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  40.  @Hayanomie  are you aware of that there is lots of people who are deplatformed, even though they don't incite violence? "russiagate and stop the steal are not the same. January 6th should have made that clear AF" I am not saying they are the same, and neither is Zaid. Only person talking about how they are (not) the same here are you. We are talking about the effect of deplatforming.
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  41.  @Hayanomie  what he deserves doesn't really matter though. What matters is what is right and what is constructive. Also, maybe it is easier for you to think about these things if you don't think and talk about Trump, just consider everyone else that gets banned from certain social platforms. I mean, they are literally blocking other platforms as well, like Parler. This is so much bigger than just Trump, so if you only talk about Trump you are missing the bigger point we are talking about here.
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  42.  @Hayanomie  do you honestly think that is a fair interpretation?
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  43.  @Hayanomie  what on Earth are you talking about? You are coming of as a lunatic here mate.
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  44.  @Hayanomie  out of nowhere you said "ya dude antifacism is not fascism" as if that is what we were talking about.
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  45. provide that information please, because I have never heard of such a thing in these more normal circumstances. I always encounter things that are closer to Daryl Davis stuff.
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