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which is why I stopped watching.
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@luisdanielmesa "the utter failure of SpaceX so far" hahahaha
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Seeing TF being extremely upset and mad about Elon's success is ever more juicy than seeing Elon's actual success.
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@Thyalwaysseek every test that improves the product is a success.
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you mean the 14 dead people from the shuttle missions?
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well, you can't really argue against the benefit to have invested in Tesla, or SpaceX, or Paypal :P.
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I am not sure which people are most stupid. Those who think this is aliens or those who think everyone thinks this is aliens.
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@0 00 SN10 landed.
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@jonasn7739 and? Progress is progress. You wouldn't expect them to land on Mars with their first prototype.
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27:49 when you say "even when he is posed with the question" only shows you actually know little to nothing about those you scold in your videos. So when it is so obvious to us that you know very little about them, why do you pretend?
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you are just jealous.
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3:22 omg Thunder... you really didn't understand what she said? I thought you had at least half a brain. The argument is that they would not need as big of a fleet, which obviously reduces cost.
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how does it stack up if you count the amount of time traveled? I think distance traveled is a more accurate way to judge safety, but when we talk about the fear of traveling, time becomes relevant.
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@luisdanielmesa "you're still here though" I'm only here for the comments, and you provide plenty of entertainment with yours :D.
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he has literally made the industry change, shifting it towards reusability.
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@Blaze6108 "but after the Falcon 9 did almost nothing to reduce launch prices despite reuse I'm not sure I can trust Elon Musk on that" that will change in x amount of years when all rocket companies are in the resuable business.
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I am sure you said the same when the falcon 9 crashed over and over again on landing :P.
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@stylis666 with that last "Idiots like you?" you really proved my point even though I was mostly joking, that is impressive! Good job mate :).
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@hamu_sando it's called comedy.
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5:27 fantastic straw man mate, just glorious.
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what about his own lies though?
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@Damien.D do you remember when you said: "obviously spacex doesn't learn anything because they blow everything the same manner. I think it's only for the show."? Tell me how that applies to the journey from SN1 to SN10.
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17:14 imagine assuming a like on a video equals literally believing everything that is said in said video :P. Your idiot audience lap your videos up as well, even though they are littered with trash.
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@sangwaraumo it is evidence that he has made space flight cheaper.
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"they think they're smarter than they actually are" I think you are referring to the TF audience :).
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@hbtm2951 then you haven't seen the TF audience enough :).
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he certainly was wrong about his profound skepticism regarding re-use of Falcon 9.
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@10010110100102Error would you reason the same way and use the n-word in a derogatory fashion against a black person you really, really dislike? Not saying it is the same thing, just trying to analyze the arguments.
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@spybird5870 I am not offended, who says I am offended? Why you do presume I am when I am just curious about how other people rationalize their behavior and if that rationalization correlates to that of other actions. And that interest is there for any topic, not just this. If you want to make a point, you would do better by not being incorrect in the very first thing you say :P. Don't make assumptions you don't have to make :).
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I'm a huge fan of Musk and all of his endeavors, but these two are just way, way out there in their fandom :P.
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you are way to reasonable to be found in the TF comment section :P.
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it is funny when people like you expose their ignorance :).
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it's funny when a "random" comment makes more sense than a science youtuber with years and years of experience. Well not funny, it is just sad :P.
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Not sure if I understood the gimbal thingy, why the UFO rotates when the clouds do not etc. What am I missing?
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@blakemerrithew9162 one day you might grow up :)
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@whateverrevetahw6846 Elon is admired for what his companies manage to do, not what he says, so your and TF's crusade against him is kind of pointless.
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@whateverrevetahw6846 way to change the topic man, I thought we were talking about SpaceX. You are hilariously desperate. "Why do you refuse to look at this video?" Because that would be an incredible waste of time. (See, it is actually possible to answer questions, you should try it sometime.) "ok... you are just a troll then." I'm just making fun of you and your pointless crusade.
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@whateverrevetahw6846 "You think that there is another fraud who made it to the number one spot of the world's richest people for longer than musk then?" Arbitrary was of measuring. "You have no idea what you are talking about." Says the person talking absolute nonsense. "He is running a trillion dollar fraud and is internationally recognised as a genius visionary for it and has hundreds of millions of clueless fans." The salt is so juicy :).
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@flyingpugs3678 indeed, and it is funny people complain about the flip maneuver, which seems to be the smallest problem for Starship at the moment :P.
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@Fourier21 the plot thickens!
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@xiaoka that's what people like these tell themselves to cope.
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@theultimatereductionist7592 man, you are way to emotionally invested in this.
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@fask69 Artemis and Dear Moon are two different things.
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The last two TF videos I have seen where the ones where he mocked Mars Ingenuity and the ability to reuse Falcon 9 boosters. TF is a grifter, nothing else.
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yea, TF should really drop that kind of stuff. Makes it really tough to watch.
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Yea I have checked out completely. The Mars helicopter video was the final straw for me. Now I just visit the channel every now and then to see what he makes videos about.
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@benjaminchristianhay don't forget the money they saved on the space shuttle by making it a death trap.
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TF is obsessed though, not reasonable.
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bsers are usually good speakers...
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@KoolKman you kind of left out that he told Musk to show it up his a** and that it was a publicity stunt, nothing less. Perfectly fine for Elon to be upset about that.
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@Damien.D "totally unrepresentative of what spaceflight is" yeah, landing rockets rarely takes place. In fact, only SpaceX does that ;).
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tbh "BFR" main real goal has to be to put up starlink satellites.
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@shekarnt not a very good comeback mate.
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15:31 thunderfoot saying the twin booster landing isn't impressive. Where do you get off mate?
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@BenderLens its funny how people like you really have to downplay the accomplishment of SpaceX to fit your agenda.
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@BenderLens "I'm not downplaying them, I'm being realistic." No, you are trying to downplay as much as you can without sounding ridiculous.
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@whateverrevetahw6846 if that is the best you can come up with, all I can say is good luck with your crusade, you are going to need it :P.
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@whateverrevetahw6846 again, does not address what I wrote :). You must have been so furious when SpaceX won the HLS contract :).
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@whateverrevetahw6846 what makes you think that the Falcon 9 launches at a loss?
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@whateverrevetahw6846 because it is fun to see you try your best to avoid answering relevant questions. Musk haters are so desperate that it is actually entertainment to see them huff and puff.
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@whateverrevetahw6846 I'm not on a crusade, I'm just not joining yours. I know that upsets you, but that doesn't mean I am on a crusade. I know you have difficulties understanding nuance and that hyperbole is your friend, but you should really understand at least that.
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@whateverrevetahw6846 "... the biggest fraud that ever lived ..." That is not Elon, mate. As I said, you have difficulties understanding nuance and hyperbole is your friend. "... but you are instead spending an equal amount of time to do the opposite ..." That is not what I am doing. I am here poking and prodding you to see how you will huff and puff each time.
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@whateverrevetahw6846 The success of Tesla and SpaceX do enjoy me, as well as your misery.
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13:35 no, look at the Buran, the Russian space shuttle.
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@NazmulIslam-ko6wq :D
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the more Elon delivers, the angrier they get :P.
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I think what is often missing is that the whole landing and reusing thing is just a bonus really. If the rocket goes up, it is a success, and this is something Starship actually does already.
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@extrastuff9463 but the economical success of Starship comes from its ability to put Starlinks in orbit. The rocket will be a success even if no human ever flies on it. The project is pushed by a dream, but we have to remember that success can come from more things than fulfilling that outrageous dream. "... as thunderf00t pointed out building a more or less functional habitat with robots first would be nice to have for humans to not die." And that is what Starship can help with, bringing those robots there. Not sure how you think of this as an this or that. Starship is designed for massive payloads, great, isn't that exactly what you want for Mars? I am really puzzled by your anti-Starship stance here :P. They are not going to bring all that stuff to Mars using the SLS if you catch my drift...
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3:07 I'd be interested in the military capabilities of potential enemies, but that's just me :P.
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hm, I would assume they would easily agree on Aliens.
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@fask69 I think so too, but they have to really nail the Starship landing method.
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as a big fan of Rick & Morty and Elon Musk, 1:04 is too funny :).
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Peter Beck is an engineer...
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not really ,what elon is trying to do is not easy, and he goes all in. Failure is almost expected.
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@charlidog2 so?
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what specifically did he say about the "1-year release date"?
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@tjnucnuc I thought he was talking about a prototype?
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@mathewferstl7042 blood "testing". Tesla cars actually work as cars.
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@mathewferstl7042 depends on what you mean with "real" blood tests. I am sure they weren't all giving the patients wrong information, but a lot did.
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what is there to say, really?
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@sexyfacenation they've sent people to space.
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@Bourinos02 then why isn't the title "spacex fans busted"?
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@Bourinos02 like what?
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54:05 hehe yea then maybe you'll learn that they have header tanks for Starship :P.
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@Tasmantor I feel sad for you.
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talking about TF fans? :P
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and Thunderfools for TF fanboys. I had one of them telling me that the Crew Dragon 1 mission won't last as long as planned :P.
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@kal2103 isn't it a kind of known phenomena of physicists to think they know way more than they do? :P
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16:59 you need to clarify if they are flying that high above ground or above sea level.
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@sangwaraumo "Claimed he'd make tunnels/transportation/space flight way cheaper and so soon without having anything to back it up. The evidence? He hasn't done any of those things." funny thing though is that (almost) everyone copies falcon 9 design.
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@Uachtar you have totally lost it mate.
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@sangwaraumo that it convinces you matters little, what matters is if it convinces those who have a direct economic interest in the issue. "And what part of the design are "they" copying?" In general propulsive landing of the first stage, the fundamental part of the Falcon 9 reusability. Rocketlab's upcoming rocket, the Neutron, has identical legs to Falcon 9 and they plan to land the first stage. Russia's new Amur rocket, identical legs to Falcon 9 and they plan to land the first stage, and identical grid fins as well. China's Hyperbola-2 rocket plans to use same legs and grid fins as Falcon 9 as well. Blue Origin is going to land the first stage of their New Glenn rocket as well. Not exactly the same way, but certainly for the exact same reason as SpaceX does. Even so much that both Bezos and Musk makes the "throw away airplane after one flight" analogy. Others are of course also looking into reusability, but you wanted specific examples.
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@sangwaraumo "You realise reusable rockets have been done before Elon, right? TF showed the footage even." You realize I was talking about a reusable first stage, right? (should I be condescending like you, and ask you if you know what a first stage is?) We are talking about space flight here, not close to ground flight. "Even if it did help make rockets overall cheaper, which is hard to prove but certainly possible, it's nowhere near 10 times or even 2 times cheaper currently." How would you even know how much it costs SpaceX to send up a rocket? "And we're not talking with economic interests here ..." I am as that is the only way for us to get an idea if reusability saves money. Neither of us know enough to say anything about the topic, so all we can do is observe those who do know things and are actually in the business. Are you really going to pretend that you know more than all rocket companies in the world? "the topic isn't "can Elon convince economic interests of X". We all know he's capable of getting people to fund him" That isn't what I was talking about. I was talking about quite a number of other rocket companies aiming to do the same thing as SpaceX. "... we are discussing if he fulfills his wild promises." And you can't show he hasn't fulfilled the one about reducing the cost to space. "He doesn't, at least not in the scale or in the time he predicts." Methinks you interpret "could" as "will" when Elon speaks. Do you know the difference?
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@sangwaraumo "... though it's an idea that has been around." And? Now sure how this has any relevance to anything other than a potential straw man :P. "Elon promised flights around the moon in 2018 ..." Plans change. You can call it a promise if you want, but that is an unrealistic standard to set. If I say "I'll see you at your place at 5", I am not promising you to see you at your place at 5, I am telling you that is my plan, but it can change. Did he use the word promise? "If your defense of his promise is "someday they will be as cheap as he promised" then sure..." Well, to know what is a fair interpretation I would have to know exactly which words he used, and preferably the context. Do you know all that?
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@sangwaraumo I think he misses more predictions than other people, but I think it is quite exaggerated as many times he just expresses possibilities rather than predictions. I really see these misinterpretations all the time. I think it is important to correctly interpret people, especially if you want to be criticize what they say. I mean, if I say "we could land a man on the Moon in 2024", how would you interpret that? Compare that interpretation to me saying "We will se an orbital flight of Starship this year". Surely you can see a significant difference in the level of these predictions? Additionally, it is quite common place to miss predictions in the space business, SLS, JWST, New Glenn, Vulcan, Starliner are the current things that comes to mind right now. Maybe you think all that is scammy as well, fair enough, but I don't think you can take an honest look at this whole situation and see Musk as the worst "scammer" in all of this.
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@sangwaraumo just don't call them promises. There is a reason why people say "I promise" when they promise something, and that is because by default something isn't a promise. You have to utter the word promise for it to be a promise. It is not fair game to misinterpret something and then to laugh at that misinterpretation. That is easily qualified as unfair.
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@sangwaraumo if it is a prediction, sure, but if it is an unrealistic wish/hope/desire you might as well just call it that. All things spoken about the future aren't the same, so there is no point in conflating them. As an example of all of this. Imagine an event that is about to happen, 10% probability it'll be on day 1 (Monday), 20% on day 2, 40% on day 3, 20% on day 4 and 10% on day 5. Do you think I am reasonable if I say all of these things: It could happen on day one. I hope it happens on day 2. I predict it will happen on day 3. It will happen this week. I wish it had already happened.
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@sangwaraumo I'll take that over cynicism and exaggerated pessimism. If the only thing you think is silly is the time line, who cares? That is nothing to devote your life to being hung up on. "Shoot for the moon even if you miss you'll land among the stars" "Even if you miss, you'll land among the stars." In the original form, the phrase "Shoot for the moon" is figurative, meant to inspire people to pursue ambitious goals, reasoning that even if they fail to achieve them, they may still accomplish other great things while trying."
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@sangwaraumo "There's a difference between pessimism and common sense." Sure, but it wasn't common sense for humans to land on the Moon in 69. Was it common sense to make a helicopter for Mars? (Look up TF's critical video about that) "... like it's also okay for me to criticize them and have a laugh." Yeah, and it's OK for me to laugh at your interpretations of what Elon says. "No one's dedicating their lives to being hung up on anything here, just having a chat to pass time." I dunno, I have seen some devoted Elon haters out there :P. One guy I chatted with in a TF video's comment section literally said he don't believe the Crew-1 mission will last until May as planned... :P. Now let's talk about other space companies. What do you think about this news from Wed 9 Mar 2016: "Private space travel company Blue Origin expects to launch its first people in 2017, company founder Jeff Bezos said on Tuesday during a tour of the venture’s research and development site outside Seattle." They still haven't done it, but my guess is that they'll actually do it this year. Do you think that one is more or fewer years delayed compared to New Glenn? :P
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@sangwaraumo don't conflate hope and wishful thinking though, quite different concepts. I seriously doubt there will be 1 million people on Mars by 2050, but I hope it'll happen because that would be cool. This is not wishful thinking, wishful thinking would be believing it would actually happen by that year. I seriously doubt Elon thinks it'll happen as he knows he sets unrealistic timelines to foster motivation. Do you think he believes it'll happen? Same with Dear Moon, you can see he has his doubts about the 2023 year, but he can't really say he doesn't believe in it as he wants people to work hard towards the goal of getting there, so it won't be delayed more than necessary. So, you don't want to laugh at Blue Origins unrealistic timelines? That kind of makes you look like just another irrational Elon hater tbh. I mean, come on... I would have thought that Jeff Bezos would be quite a juicy target for your ridicule. I mean, even though his company is older than SpaceX and he is richer than Musk, they haven't even send any person to space yet.
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@sangwaraumo "I only conflate hope with wishful thinking when they overlap. Which is when people are hoping for what are obvious improbable things." Doesn't make it any better, it is even more important to not conflate things at that point as it won't be as easy to spot your error. "If Bezos is going around doing that, then I'll also have my laugh when I see it. It just doesn't get as much attention." Kind of makes you wonder though, right? Why aren't people talking about this? Why doesn't TF make a video about this? Blue Origin Busted! Do you think there might be any bias at play here?
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@sangwaraumo But we have established that what people think Elon says is exaggerated and what Bezos says is the opposite? Of course he gets more attention, but he gets way more attention on these kind of things than appropriate, that is what I am talking about. Do you think that could come down to bias? I go with the one that google gives me: "Wishful thinking is the formation of beliefs based on what might be pleasing to imagine, rather than on evidence, rationality, or reality." What definition do you use?
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@sangwaraumo not sure what you mean with "... if they're based on belief motivated by what is pleasing to imagine." I disagree on your example "I hope I'll be famous like Justin Bieber one day." It's hope, it's wishful thinking." as I understand it, it would only be wishful thinking if you believed you'd actually be famous like Justin Bieber. I guess you could say that all wishful thinking is hopes, but not all hopes are wishful thinking. "And why are you insisting on the Bezos thing, seems you're the only one caring about this Bezos Vs Elon stuff here." Because you don't seem to care about other people or companies missing timelines, but you put in quite an effort to rationalize laughing at Elon when he does. How else am I supposed to interpret this? I gave you seemingly enough information on Bezos/Blue Origin, SLS, JWST, Vulcan and Starliner and you barely reacted. You said "If Bezos is going around doing that, then I'll also have my laugh when I see it.", to test that I keep talking about Bezos/Blue Origin. Additionally, I'm not doing any Bezos Vs Elon stuff, I am comparing Bezos and Musk as that is interesting given that their situations are so similar in this area.
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@sangwaraumo of course, as I said, I think you can say that all wishful thinking is hopes. "And I'm not talking about Bezos because this is a video and topics about Elon. I've already agreed with you he deserves the same treatment if he does the same thing." The thing is that I want to build on this, take the conversation further, and if not for anything else, context always matter. I am curious about why you are fed with so much information about Elon's missed/failed timelines, yet you seem to be unaware of all the other missed/failed timelines. Among other things, I wonder if there is some bias inside you, because you seem to trust negative things said about Elon, but not negative things said about Bezos/Blue Origin. You still say "if he does the same thing", even though I gave you a quote and a date: "Wed 9 Mar 2016: "Private space travel company Blue Origin expects to launch its first people in 2017, company founder Jeff Bezos said on Tuesday during a tour of the venture’s research and development site outside Seattle."". To add to this, what did he say about New Glenn? In the news 12th of September 2016 we could read that "We plan to fly New Glenn for the first time before the end of this decade ...", it has obviously not flown yet and their current plan says fourth quarter of 2022. Out of curiosity, how do you think "end of this decade" should be interpreted? Also, when do you think it is appropriate to drop the "if he does the same thing" bit and just say "he deserves the same treatment"?
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@sangwaraumo I am not interpreting anything here, I gave you a quote (and a date) and if that is not enough for you to do a 5 sec google by yourself, that is on you and nobody else. If you have this severe lack of interest in the topic, you should not laugh when Elon misses a timeline, because you are honestly not informed enough to know if it is something to laugh at or not. "I'm not about to go research it for the purpose of having this conversation with you." It is not about this conversation, it is about you taking control over what you know and how you react to information, don't let people manipulate you by feeding you the information they want you to have. Am I to presume that you looked up nothing about all the other rocket companies that look to do what SpaceX does with the Falcon 9? Or did you at least do a quick google on e.g. "Amur rocket"?
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@sangwaraumo "Elon does make wild claims like TF criticizes. Case in point, 1M in Mars by 2050. You don't even deny it." We already talked about this. Do you remember us talking about the differences between a promise, a plan, a hope etc? My point is that what Elon says is interpreted in an exaggerated fashion, and what other people say is ignored. There is a discrepancy here. "You've gone on this tangent about other people doing the same kind of stuff because you felt like it. I don't." Because it is relevant. You not wanting to know about this only means that you enjoy being ill informed. Some call this being fact resistant, and it is actually not that de-similar to wishful thinking. You don't want to know things because you enjoy knowing as little as you do, because then you can laugh at things. You are literally embracing "ignorance is bliss", which is hilarious given that TF's content entertains you :D.
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@sangwaraumo "Yes, there is a discrepancy in how Elon is treated. I agree to that." Thank you :). "But it doesn't make his claims less wishful thinking." We went over the definition of "wishful thinking". It is not wishful thinking if you just hope it'll happen. I mean, the "claim" you are talking about isn't a claim, it is a plan, and an extremely rough one at that. Space plans pretty much always change, and you rarely if ever plan for something to take more time than it actually will, but that depends on if there is an actual strict deadline or not (like the Mars 2020 missions). There is a reason why the concept "NET", "no earlier than" in commonly used in the space business. What Elon says is basically that it won't happen before 2050, and that he'll work towards it happening asap. It really isn't as big of a deal as you make it out to be. For fun, are you aware of how many years delayed the James Webb Space Telescope is? "Unaware of how badly understated the JWST Budget2 was, NASA management thought there was a 70% probability of launching in June 2014" (source: NASA). Yeah, that is quite many years ago and it is still not up yet. Fingers crossed it'll launch successfully this year.
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@sangwaraumo not sure if we agree on what you think we agree on, but I have a sense that you don't really want to talk about that, so I guess that's that indeed :).
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@philip_bray "He hasn't accomplished anything with space travel yet." Ah the typical TF fanboi.
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@philip_bray "a certain someone." I don't think you know very much about Musk, he rarely if ever takes credit for anything. He always attributes it to his teams. "By the way partially reusing a rocket is only half of the way there." It is still achieving something no one has ever done.
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@philip_bray "If I complete half of my days work I didn't achieve my goal. Sure he achieved half of his goal I'll correct my statement to he has achieved half of what he wanted. Sorry if that upset you." That it the stupidest thing I have seen in this comment section. If a person aims to break the world record in the Olympics, it would be idiotic to say winning the gold medal is meaningless just because the person aimed high. "I really can't be bothered to argue if you believe in what he says ..." That is not what we are talking about, we are talking about what SpaceX have achieved so far.
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@philip_bray you are shifting the goalpost so much I am not sure you even remember what you previously said.
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@CptSlow89 iirc he assumed that the tether was there to stabilize the copter rather than compensate for gravity. Too big of a faux pas for me!
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he tweeted a joke.
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@hbtm2951 I didn't, but now I did just so that you can see I wasn't the initial one. Again, you prove to me that you are not as smart as you think :).
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@kyushirokun ehm, what is your issue with that? Someone clearly showed an example of inflated sense of their own brilliance.
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@hbtm2951 who said you cared about looking smart? I just mentioned that you were wrong. Was I wrong to think that you genuinely though I liked my own comments?
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@kyushirokun "Just laughing at the lack of self awareness." What you perceive as lack of self awareness, which is quite different. "If him calling you an idiot is proving your point, you "jokingly" calling them less smart than they think is not much better." My comment was evidence based, his was only believed to be and thus strengthened the evidence for mine. I am not sure if things can be much more different than that :P. "Also you don't get to claim it was a joke and then say it was your point, but that's a whole other can of worms lol" Have you ever heard that "there's a grain of truth in every joke"? It was a joke with a point, but the joke bit was more about the intentional misunderstanding of OP rather than my statement itself. Not replying to it would leave it as a joke, replying to it with stupidity brings out the truth aspect of it. You are trying to hard here mate, two things can be true at the same time.
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@hbtm2951 what are you trying to accomplish here in this comment section?
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@hbtm2951 I could speculate, but I am more interested in your answer.
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you say "making boosters reuasable" as that is just a minor thing, not something almost everyone is trying to copy now.
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?? he gives credit to those who work for him all the time...
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that made me lol :D.
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@LunnarisLP I was going to say the same thing :P.
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@thomasbecker9676 If becoming the richest person alive isn't considered being successful according to you, you are the one that needs to declare your definition of the word.
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@thomasbecker9676 No, what made you think that? I find it interesting that you failed to define success, instead made a poor attempt at deflecting.
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@thomasbecker9676 You are deflecting by not addressing the point and misrepresenting what I said. I think success includes a lot of things, where one of them is wealth. Do you think wealth is completely removed from success? So being a successful businessman is something that doesn't actually exist? Are you also claiming SpaceX hasn't been successful at anything?
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@thomasbecker9676 "I asked you to define success. Your response was ..." I am not obligated to directly answer your question. Expressing a perfect definition with no flaw what so ever is basically impossible, thus I countered with asking if not becoming the richest man in the world would be defined as being successful, how do you define it? How does one become the world richest man without being successful? "You mentioned no other metrics, so one can only assume that you use wealth as the sole measure of success." No, the assumption you should make is that wealth matters. If your interpretation was correct, I would have said that straight up. The fact that I didn't should give you pause when you make your far too simplistic interpretation. " Now you're backtracking on what you said." Not at all, I am pointing out the errors in your interpretation of what I said. I still say it is impossible to say Elon is unsuccessful solely for the simple reason that he has become the richest person in the world based on the success of his companies. No matter what other factors play in to being successful, that is enough to determine he is. We live in a capitalistic system and he is capitalist 1, that is success baby, no matter how much it is a thorn in your, TF's and CSS's eyes.
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@thomasbecker9676 tldr is that you misrepresent what I say. I say wealth has to be a part (but not the entirety) of the definition of success as we live in a capitalistic society. Do you claim it is completely irrelevant? If you don't want nuanced answers, don't ask question that require it.
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@thomasbecker9676 but I didn't say it was exclusively about wealth, that was an interpretation you made up based on your bias. Me pointing out how you are wrong is not moving the goalpost, it is getting you to not make things up, it is so, so much different. The way I cited wealth wasn't even by referencing it is a lot about it, only speaking about the wealthiest person alive surely has to be it. If anything, that indicates that I don't think it is a major component of being successful. Again, you haven't answered me how a person becomes the richest person alive without being successful. That is why I make this example, because you will not be able to address it, and you haven't. Instead you try to make a straw man out of my argument and try to tackle that. It is kind of sad, really.
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not really. Owning the cars cost money, and you need to get to the point where it becomes functional first. And you can just sell the program to generate money. Not the big own you think it is.
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@leparfumdugrosboss4216 I'm addressing what you said, not what he said. You are trying to hard. Not surprising given where I found you :P.
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the current plan is 28 engines.
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@michellelewis3063 but you recognize that it makes it easier?
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@michellelewis3063 the pictures I have seen of people speculating about a 28 engine configuration didn't seem too unreasonable to me. People have also made animations with center engines gimbaling, so honestly I see no reason to doubt that 28 engines would fit in there. I presume those comparisons are better than me eyeing a video :).
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@michellelewis3063 yea but we are talking about the space now, if the engines would actually fit. You saying "animations fly easily....." has no relevance to that topic. You asked me to look and I gave a better answer than what I can see on SN8 with my eyes alone, and instead of being happy about that you resort to a snide comment?
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@michellelewis3063 it is indeed not proof, but it is better than you passing judgement just by looking at SN8 with your eyes, which is my point.
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@michellelewis3063 sure, but animation/schematic > eyes.
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@michellelewis3063 not only that, it will be exciting as heck to watch/follow :P.
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@nickbrough8335 what are you referring to with "SpaceX is charging the US DoD over $300 million per launch and Nasa c$60 million per launch for exactly the same system"?
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@nickbrough8335 are we thinking of the same thing? Wasn't that added cost because of differences?" But Shotwell insisted the company’s launch prices are not going up. SpaceX is however charging the government for the cost of an extended payload fairing, upgrades to the company’s West Coast launch pad at Vandenberg Air Force in California, and a vertical integration facility required for NRO missions." Also, that is Falcon Heavy launches, right?
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@nickbrough8335 "I think the real issue, is that the cost of Space X launches (and everyone else's probably) for the US Govt is obscured and not transparent in the slightest. Therefore claims from any source about costs is open to abuse." Yet you speak with absolute certainty when you write "SpaceX is charging the US DoD over $300 million per launch and Nasa c$60 million per launch for exactly the same system". Surely you can see the errors of your ways here?
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@nickbrough8335 "If you're trying to argue that a simple comparison is never perfect, I'd agree with you. However ..." Let me stop you right there. I am only here to challenge you on your claim that "SpaceX is charging the US DoD over $300 million per launch and Nasa c$60 million per launch for exactly the same system" Either you take it back, modify it or back it up with evidence. Don't shift the goalpost and start talking about something else.
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@nickbrough8335 What specifically are you talking about? You would have to be more specific for me to know what contract and mission(s) you talk about. While I await your reply, are you aware of this: "Space Exploration Technologies Corp., Hawthorne, California, has been awarded a $297,000,000 firm-fixed-price contract, for launch services to deliver the NROL-87, NROL-85, and AFSPC-44 missions to their intended orbits." (Source: US Dept of Defense.) This was awarded in 2019. That is 100k per launch, not 300k as you said.
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@nickbrough8335 again you are moving the goalpost, refusing to either take back, modify or provide evidence for your claim that: "SpaceX is charging the US DoD over $300 million per launch and Nasa c$60 million per launch for exactly the same system" As I have shown you a contract where they get three launches for $300 million, are you willing to admit that you claim was false? It is healthy to admit when you are wrong from time to time, and surely you are not arrogant enough to think that you are always right? Maybe, just maybe, this is one of those times where you were wrong, and admitting that doesn't make you a bad person, in fact it would do the opposite.
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@nickbrough8335 "I'm not arguing with you about irrelavancies." But do you agree that there is value in being correct in what one says, and being able to back up claims with evidence? "certain people (including you it seems) are so embedded in the Mask narrative" Now this is some grade A bs right there. You say this just because I challenge you on your claim that "SpaceX is charging the US DoD over $300 million per launch and Nasa c$60 million per launch for exactly the same system"? "I have challenged you several times to refuse the arguments and you choose not to." What are you talking about? All you have done is to try to move the goalpost to not have to deal with your claim that "SpaceX is charging the US DoD over $300 million per launch and Nasa c$60 million per launch for exactly the same system". "which is certainly possible a is ti is flawed at a detailed level" It is more than just flawed ot a detailed level. You say 300 million dollars per launch, and I have given you a contract that says 100 million dollars per launch. That is not a little detail, that is you being wrong with a factor of 3. The least you could do is try to talk about another contract, but you don't even do that because you know that even if we add one launch of 300 million dollars to that, we'd only get up to 150 million dollars per launch (300+100+100+100)/4=150 and you'd have to admit that you were quite wrong when you made that claim, by a factor of 2! "engage withe the primary issue (Musk is a bullshitter)" Ask yourself this, how can I expect to have a good conversation with you about that if we can't have a good conversation about something as simple as $300M vs. $100M (or perhaps $150M if you wanna have that discussion?) per launch?
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and this is just in, Rocketlab is going to make their own "falcon9 copy".
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@Post-ElonTechConsultancy hm, I am under the impression that the hyperloop-like projects going on are under ground, but maybe I have misinterpreted the hyperloop-likeness of them.
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@stanfrymann8454 ?? the original comment was brain dead.
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19:35 indeed the most interesting!
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he does? Evidence?
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@nikushim666 or you can just provide actual evidence for your claim. Notice how you shifted your claim from "pay's alot "influencers"" to "using social media influencers", so it seems you don't want to stand by your original claim. You provide no evidence and you change the claim, so yeah, I am calling bs on it ;).
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yeah, NASA are real sheeple. I remember TF dissing the mars helicopter idea, thinking he'd be smarter than the NASA scientist...
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@jasono2139 he didn't miss it, he intentionally misrepresented it.
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@gortalla5474 where do you draw the line between unfeasable and feasable? Like, where would you put it if they'd start working on an aerospike engine, or an ssto?
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@JohnnyZenith ironically, it is, imo, these "... childish erratic behaviour and statements." that makes him quite likeable. He is a flawed human like the rest of us, he likes meme like the everyday person, says nice when he sees 69, enjoys a good 42 reference, not good at talking to crowds etc :D.
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I am not sure which people are the most stupid. Those who think this is aliens or those who think everyone thinks this is aliens.
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for that reason, I laugh when his fans tells me to watch the video.
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sure, why would the hunter not run up to the deer he is going to kill, why on Earth would he stay far away?
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@jeremybr2020 I am saying that the deer doesn't notice the hunter when the hunter doesn't want the deer to notice him/her. It is not about hunting, it is about observing without being noticed by an inferior species. It could be the same for aliens, if they don't want to be noticed by us they could just avoid getting noticed. At best we could get borderline evidence like this. Is that so hard to understand?
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@jeremybr2020 if they are legit. But even if they were legit, there would certainly be enough doubt. They could abduct people a lot and only nutcases would believe their stories. I am not suggesting they have any specific technology. I don't even suggest there are any aliens in the universe let alone around Earth. Do I really have to declare that I don't believe there are aliens visiting Earth? Can't I just point out a flaw in TF argumentation without you jumping to conclusion? Do I have to add that I believe the U.S. landed on the moon in 1969? "So making claims about how tech savy they are or how good at being unnoticed they are, is kind of ridiculous and presumptuous at this point.." Why? That would be the reasonable assumption for a technological more advance civilization. We see it on Earth already.
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@Hailfire08 but made sure to laugh at nasa for doing something he did not understand.
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@stalkholm5227 that is the problem TF set out to debunk things, so that is all he looks for. He is looking for things to back up his conclusion, that is unscientific.
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@nicoledoubleyou but not when the conclusion is made beforehand, which is what TF does. Therefor he ignores things that goes against his narrative, and can thus never be wrong in his own mind, and produces videos that reflect that.
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it fills me with joy that TF can't deal with the incredibly success of Musk :).
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isn't solar tiles already a thing?
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8:46 do you have many 1 inch thick steel signs in America? You will get them Thunder, but you don't need to make bad comparisons like this.
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@NJ-wb1cz fear is not always logical :P. If a person chooses vacation destination based on travel time, time spend in, to and from the airport would indeed increase the safety. E.g. a person has a limit of 5 hours of travel time, they would travel much further by plane, which would increase the danger, but this would be lowered by the wait time.
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@NJ-wb1cz it is comparable in the sense that people actually make these choices when planning their vacations. Should I drive up to the lake and camp overnight, should I drive further or take the train to the semi-local beach or should I fly to Thailand?
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@NJ-wb1cz no need to exaggerate. You should not treat this interaction as a debate you are in to win.
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@NJ-wb1cz woah,woah, why so aggressive? I am here just having a friendly conversation and you turn all aggro? What's up mate? It looks like you think I am here to bash the safety of traveling by plane. In case you do, I am not. Not sure what else could have upset you so much.
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@NJ-wb1cz what are you talking about? You are the one that wants to ignore the facts about how people feel about traveling. Nothing I said should make you think I dislike facts, who hurt you?
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@NJ-wb1cz it is not really assumptions as it is such a basic concept, it is impossible for it to not be true. For you to think that travel time has no influence over people's vacation choices would be ignorant of the fact that it does. It varies from person to person, but it is there.
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@NJ-wb1cz how is it pure fantasy to say that travel time is something people care about? If people have to choose between two options, either a 5 hour ride from point A to B, or a 7 hour ride (due to heavier traffic) between the same points, the vast majority will choose the 5 hour one. Surely you agree with this? If you don't think this is the core of the point I am making here, look up "the principle of charity" and follow it as you read all my comments again.
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@NJ-wb1cz that is not what I claimed though. I said: "If a person chooses vacation destination based on travel time, time spend in, to and from the airport would indeed increase the safety." I shouldn't have included to and from though as it doesn't have to be true for relatively long car rides, and you only mentioned time in the airport. Anyway, in other words, traveling is more dangerous than not traveling.
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@NJ-wb1cz "Okay, so you admit you were writing bullshit." Not at all, my point still stands as my error was as big and consequential as a typo. "As for your genious conclusion" I am not saying it is genius, I am saying it is so obvious everyone knows it. Even though you basically said the exact same thing in your comment comment before, you questioning it because I write it only shows you have no interest in understanding what I am saying. Again, look up and follow "the principle of charity". "include drinking with your buddies at home and other random actions and possibilities into your danger perception comparison" I am actually not really talking about danger perception, I only mentioned danger perception as a reason why it would be interesting to talk about danger per unit of time traveled. I just told you that, so why are you not understanding this? Also, this is too far removed from traveling. I find it hilarious that you take it to this absurd place when I just wonder what the danger of the travel methods are per unit of time instead of unit of distance. Talk about freaking out for no reason :P. I mean, think about it. For you to freak out this way, one might wonder if you think there is no difference in the danger of car travel when you drive fast compared to driving slowly. I mean, hey, it is the same distance traveled, right?
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@NJ-wb1cz I never said the first thing was bs, so don't frame anything else as "bs as well". Just drop "as well". Well, what do you think? Are you less likely from dying in a car crash if you are at home or out driving? This is not a rhetorical question, so answer it. Have you stopped to reflect upon your behavior here? I agree with you when you say that sitting at the airport is less dangerous than flying, and you freak out like it is the most stupid thing you have ever heard. I am very fascinated by this behavior, what is it that makes it impossible for you to have a rational discussion about this?
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@NJ-wb1cz "well yeah" exactly, so why did freak out? I just said that I was curious about danger/time as well as danger/distance. "you seem to be very interested in psychology." What makes you think that? Because I ask you if you reflected upon your own behavior or because I wrote "fear is not always logical :P" once? :P Talk about jumping to extreme conclusions there mate. "Have you ever taken the MBTI test? ... I think this can really help you if you approach this thoughtfully" I am sure you speak about experience so if the end result is your behavior here then it is a hard pass on that one for me. I don't want to be a freak like you.
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@NJ-wb1cz oh, and regarding MBTI: "Independent sources have called the test "little more than a Chinese fortune cookie",[5] "pretty much meaningless",[6] "one of the worst personality tests in existence,"[7] and "the fad that won't die".[8]" so if you are using it to work on yourself I'd advice you to stop, cause it ain't helping you bud.
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@NJ-wb1cz Good luck on yours.
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34:30 so what you would have to manage is to make a gas mask that force air in, and then opens a valve for you to "breath" out. It sounds tricky, but I wouldn't bet my life on it being impossible.
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@gdwnet commonsense skeptic is as moronic as musk fanbois.
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I think of it as the Greek X (chi) letter, which should be easy for TF as well.
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@10010110100102Error wouldn't that also disrespect everyone else with the same name?
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@Schmarvard to me it sounds like he is trying to pronouncing it as a Spanish speaking person :P.
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No sure why you bash Musk when it is the media you should bash...
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it's possible, and valuable when returning from mars.
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@Damien.D would you say the same thing today?
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hahahahaha
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@ethribin4188 it matters. Bias like TFs is a huuuge problem in science. It looks really good, but it is really bad. That is a massive issue.
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@spybird5870 oh hahaha, here you are again assuming things without valid reason. Why do you do this? Because you want to feel smart or superior? What do you really think you are doing here?
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@skaruts mate, why would you assume everyone would watch a TF video? It's just a waste of time. Looking in the comment section is fun though.
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@skaruts how did you come to that conclusion? (which ironically enough is peak arrogance)
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@skaruts but watching a TF video does not make a person know a topic, so I think your fixation with watching a TF video is misguided. There are better ways to know things than to watch TF videos. Assuming someone is uninformed because they haven't watched it is a big no-no, so I hope you didn't do that!
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@skaruts I assumed so, so would you then rephrase this: "if you don't watch the video, then you don't know his arguments, which makes you arrogant if you come here speaking from a position of certainty about something you don't know."?
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@Simon Something "The russians and chinese are just trying so hard not to laugh." You are just too stereotypical of a TF viewer :P.
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@Yor_gamma_ix_bae "I’m not talking about investors." You want to talk funding but you don't want to talk about investors...... ma dude, where did ya left your brain?
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"... and that underground mega highway thing" What's wrong with tunnels? :P To me, electric vehicles in tunnels running on auto pilot sounds like an interesting idea.
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What is this? 5 videos in a row not about Elon?
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@hans-joachimbierwirth4727 "No human rating, no Starship." Pure bs, even if no human ever flies on it, it will be a success. "His new engines have no engineer." Lol, why did you say that? That was just embarrassing to read :P.
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@hans-joachimbierwirth4727 If that is how you react to a reality check, I feel sorry for you.
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@hans-joachimbierwirth4727 Starship is meant to serve more purposes than that though (e.g. sending Starlink satellites into LEO), which is why your statement that "No human rating, no Starship." is so erroneous. Your analogy with the ocean lines would be fitting if it economically made sense to have it cross a small lake, so your analogy fails as well.
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@hans-joachimbierwirth4727 lol, when you start talking about the name, we all know you are grasping at straws. I have no time for your nonsense, goodbye.
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@zybch currently.
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indeed, and when that crab grabs that knife, i am watching like a hawk. Rat with a pizza is great watching as well. Humanity would be either great curiosity or great entertainment for aliens.
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@godfather7339 what is the cost/kg to LEO?
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1:04 you don't think SpaceX have any scientist employed?
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his attitude was still horrible, like how he reacted to the tethered hop in the vacuum chamber, so it was actually the last TF video I watched as a subscriber.
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when he lands people on the moon?
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36:25 you have no evidence for this claim. Just because someone watches a video of this footage doesn't mean they believe it is aliens.
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26:04 yea that is what I saw in my head as well, just, squish!
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I recall that name from an idiot in a comment section :P.
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and NASA is fake and we never landed on the moon, the firmament, val allen belt etc etc.
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@soupisgoodfood42 I don't think that is it at all. I looked into what TF was referencing and as I understand it it is supposed to be about how the glare is non-circular due to the aperture of the camera is non-circular, and thus when the aperture rotates when the camera rotates so does the glare. I presume this would only be the case for near circular objects though, so unless the shape of the aperture is diamond-like I would not be convinced that is the correct explanation.
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@memescrublord9614 he went on and on about how falcon 9 landing and reuse was a failure for not having re-flown in the early days...
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Elon has more successes than fails though...
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@sciarkadatul411 I am sure it was super smug and don't hold up :P.
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@JackSparrow-re4ql you do realize that SpaceX actually sends things to orbit, right? Including astronauts?
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@JackSparrow-re4ql no private entity had done it before. Also, orbit is since the 60's, and that was ROSCOSMOS, and later NASA ofc., so feel no need to try to educate me on the subject :P. It is funny how you try to make an accomplishment of a private citizen not a big deal just because it just rivals, not exceeds, the accomplishments of the mightiest countries in the world :P. I mean, it is hilarious :D. I am not in any cult, but you are clearly in an Elon hating cult, which is actually even more annoying than the Elon cult :P.
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@JackSparrow-re4ql I am just telling you how it is. No matter how easy you say it is, Spacex/Elon was still first. "Get a fucking life." Look yourself in the mirror mate. I don't like to be mean, but it is obvious you are the one who is dissatisfied with your current life.
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he had to sell about that much within a year, so this was a good time. Do you think he should have waited? Don't think you are informed just because you watched some TF video.
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you can't get all air out... you'll leave so much air that you need in the tube.
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@ELFanatic "... as Elon would like you to believe." is usually said by people who don't know what Elon says. Maybe they know what Elon has said one time and probably misinterpret it, but that's it. There is a reason why Elon is pushing for 100% reusability, which seems to contradict your statement.
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@BenderLens you are basically saying "good job" when "great job" is more applicable. Not sure how that is hard for you to understand.
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@BenderLens That is what you all say, no matter how reasonable a person is. If they are not a part of your TF CSS cult, they are irrational fanbois.
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Nim Chimpsky and there is far too much hatin'.
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Nim Chimpsky your comment including "There's far too much Musk idolizing if you ask me!"
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Nim Chimpsky no, a statement of yours, the statement I quoted.
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Nim Chimpsky :D
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well said.
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@Bacteriophagebs how long were the shuttle missions compared to crew dragon missions? What is best, 7 people for 4 days or 4 people for 7 days?
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@Bacteriophagebs "Seems about the same." Indeed. The problem for your argument is that the space shuttle's longest mission was 17 days, compared to 5 months (planned) for Dragon capsule. So 4 people for 150 days = 600 peopledays vs. 7 people for 17 days = 119 peopledays.
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@Bacteriophagebs with you saying that, I assume you'll accept my point of view and reject your own once the mission lasts 5 months?
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@Bacteriophagebs that is besides the point so stick to the topic. We are comparing the STS with Falcon 9+Crew Dragon here now. 600 persondays vs 120. If the only thing you have to say why 600 isn't 5 times as good as 120 is "we'll see if it lasts that long", then if we actually see that you have to admit that it is 5 times as good.
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@Bacteriophagebs do you honestly think it is even likely that they'll end the mission beforehand, given how involved NASA (and JAXA) are? TBH though, there isn't much more to say than that I really, really, really hope you'll remember this conversation and start question yourself a bit more once they splashdown in late April or early May. It is important to question things, but that includes questioning yourself.
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@ns0557212 so unless you currently are the CEO of a successful company, you're trash. Got it :D.
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great comment.
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I feel sad for you as TF is peddling so much bs about Elon. Maybe you are alright if you dismiss most of what TF says though.
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yeah I am only here to auto-dislike the video and read the comments :).
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@whateverrevetahw6846 Reading the comments is way more informative than watching his crappy video, and takes less time.
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@whateverrevetahw6846 that does not address what I wrote.
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@whateverrevetahw6846 Is it his success or is it SpaceX's success?
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@whateverrevetahw6846 Speaking of Starship, Musk just said: "But, much more important, is that this design is capable of full & rapid reusability. Long way to go from design to making it actually fully & rapidly reusable with high payload, but at least success is one of the possible outcomes haha." What a "con man" he is, LOL!
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@whateverrevetahw6846 huff and puff all you want, if you do not address what I say, you lose the argument by default.
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@whateverrevetahw6846 you are projecting mate.
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maybe they don't want him to get the views? To not please TF and people like Sean Orr who writes "Please make a video where you see what percentage of your comments is antifans and them show them how much money you make off of that same percentage."
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I am not much for TF humor but I lolled hard at 2:57
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makes for better video for debbie downers to watch :P. TF certainly doesn't follow "the principle of charity", and understandably so because it would be a lot more difficult for him to produce videos if he did.
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@mlgpro2241 if TF doesn't interpret what people say correctly, why should we interpret what TF says correctly?
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@mlgpro2241 the things he interpreted wrong, do you think it was bad enough that you can suspect TF intentionally misinterpreted things?
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@NazmulIslam-ko6wq hm, I haven't written anything to you :/.
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@NazmulIslam-ko6wq I agree :).
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TF has painted himself into a corner and has to run this out until he gets on the next thing. I guess he really wishes for Sarkeesian to make a comeback!
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first stage is much easier than second though, that is why they started with second. Also, Super Heavy BN1 prototype is in High Bay in two pieces soon to be stacked.
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@MrZXY15 legally, he is a founder of Tesla.
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@originator4649 it is really sad what happened, but when we do the real talk it has to be a part of the discussion.
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@originator4649 when comparing what you get for the money you spend on the different launch options, safety has to be one of the things you look at. Most people say it is the absolutely most important thing, and I agree with them. If you disagree with this, you would essentially say that crew dragon would be better if it didn't have a launch escape function, because it would make it cheaper to launch.
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mentioning Theranos is like mentioning Galileo. Mentioning doesn't make you right.
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@DailyDroneFPV at the same time, they don't suggest you should use starship to fly earth to earth tomorrow. I think this is the biggest failure of the critics, they project too much or the current state on the future.
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