Comments by "snuffeldjuret" (@snuffeldjuret) on "David Pakman Show"
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m jones my point is that you can see him in video egging people on, and talking about how he's gonna buy a trump hat, and saying that he frequently uses the "I'm just here to film" excuse.
Also: ""John has been kicked from the #SaltLakeCity and #Portland protest scenes due to alarming behaviors including grifting/profiteering, self-promotion/clout chasing, sabotage of community actions, threats of violence, and — maybe most disturbingly — ties to the far-right," Rebellion Baby wrote. "In short — John's brother, James, is the co-founder of a pro-Trump org called 'Civilized Awakening,' and has strong ties to Proud Boys — even having spoken at a Proud Boy rally. The brothers' polarized political stances conveniently bolster the other's public personas. Activists in these cities recommend that he be barred from community actions and totally avoided.""
John is nobody's friend, he just wants to see things burn. Sounds familiar? What happened in Portland after Biden's inauguration again?
A fun little thing on the side about who's supporting his grifting?
"Accused Capitol rioter John Sullivan sold video footage he recorded at the Jan. 6 siege to NBC and CNN for $35,000 each, according to new court papers."
Despicable.
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@theoretisch4429 "Believing in equality and applying that value to your positions is incredibly consistent if you want to argue about that."
Yeah I am not arguing against that. There are obviously more than one set of consistent thoughts out there :P.
"If someone discriminates minorities and his excuse his that he is consistent.."
But that is not what we are doing. I am arguing that consistency should be commended, even though you dislike the person, as the lack of consistency is even worse. In the spectrum of inconsistency to consistency, you can't achieve more than consistency, so when that is achieved it should be highlighted for how ideological disagreements should be handled, with consistency.
"Then congrats on being consistent on discrimination of that minority."
We are talking about over all consistency.
"But it goes against my values so therefore I wouldn't ever defend someone for their discrimination. Period."
But as no one is perfect, so I hope you will never defend anyone for anything, as no person is perfect and thus hold bad views. Especially if we judge us today by future's standard.
"Well you could bring that argument if they actually wouldn't believe what I'm saying they believe."
But we talked about this, you talked about climate science and brought up a source that could be exaggerating Ben's position. And you failed to address how that source didn't exaggerate what he said. You see, when you make claims, you have to back them up with actual evidence, and if the evidence points to the opposite, they actually don't believe what you are saying they believe. Ben and his supporters are two different things, but you making claims is the same, not matter if it is about him or your supporters, you should be able to back up what you say with evidence.
"When I say they discriminate gays by saying they shouldn't be allowed to marry then this is discrimination and not an exaggeration"
The exaggeration could be calling them homophobic for it.
"Well then say that and don't say they aren't as bad as I think."
Should I really have to?
"And being against gay marriage is as wrong as it gets."
Then you don't need to exaggerate, by assuming they are against it because of their homophobia, if that is what you do. Or is that just for Ben, not his fans?
"Where exactly did I say that? I didn't say that in the sentences you quoted."
You said:
"And it would be harmful to normalize them and say "well they are not as bad as you think"."
Sometimes they are as bad as you think, sometimes they are not. You say that it is harmful to normalize them as a blanket statement, no matter if they are as bad or not. The only logical conclusion is that you think speaking the truth can be harmful, and in this case is.
"It is harmful to normalize people who have a stance that is discriminating minorities."
Then say that :P. I am not sure I agree, as pushing them away doesn't seem to help, so maybe the opposite will? Have you heard about Daryl Davis? Look him up, really interesting stuff!
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@Steelmage99 "In my experience that is the kind of rhetoric and the kind of subjects being presented by pro-QAnon people, ie nut cases."
Indeed, and that is quite sad. I only knew about Epstein years and years ago because of those kind of people, not because of MSM :P. Same with Jimmy Fallon and Jimmy Kimmel backface stories, there are some shocking actual truths these people talk about, but you never believe them for all the other things they say as well. This is why the Qanon people I have encountered blame powerful people for planting ludicrous Qanon theories out there, to muddle the waters about the real stuff there is, like Epstein. Nutty people are going to be nuts, and all movements have them, so we should not solely judge a movement, or tangents to one, based on those nutty people. Coming back to Epstein and the fight, the amount of jokes and predictions that he would die "by his own hands" in prison was overwhelming, so when it actually happened there is nothing you can say to these people to convince them of anything other than what they believe. Maybe if something big comes from Maxwell spilling the beans, but who knows.
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@randomthings1293 "Even if you believe this partially , you're still definitely out of your mind, IMO."
That might very well be true, but I don't know how they defined partial belief so I can't say for sure. What I do know is that you misrepresented the source, and that is the interesting thing here. If they are as crazy as you say, why do you feel the need to exaggerate their beliefs? Aren't they bad enough as it is? If you exaggerate when making a point, it looks like you don't have a point at all, and that is sort of what I tried to get at with your usage of the emojies, it just oozes of erratic irrationality. You are not helping your cause this way, you are hurting it!
"If you know about some rational thing believed by specifically QAnonists you're free to let me know of it."
They talked about Epstein and his sweetheart deal before it got popular to do it, and they predicted that he would off himself under suspicious circumstances in prison.
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@Spencerwalker21 you previously said "so you didn't have an argument just offense ... an argument on why voting third party over Biden helps the progressive cause."
To which I replied "if the alternative is not voting at all, voting all democrat except for president would be beneficial, no?"
And you answered "it would be better ..."
Yet now again you say "So you had no arguments just offense."
That is an example of the bad faith I am talking about. You are not talking to me because you are not listening to what I am saying, you are talking to your twisted idea of me. I would like to give you the advice of reading up on, and following, "the principle of charity", to get away from that destructive habit: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Principle_of_charity
Another example is this statement you made "even if people don't want to vote for biden we need to be careful and still express that you need to vote down ballot and for any ballot initiatives". When I express that I agree with you on this, instead of finding satisfaction in this, you instead scold me by claiming that I "... don't care about LGBT rights student loan forgiveness climate change fixing our Healthcare system ect."
Unless you surprise me and write something meaningful in return, this will be my last reply to you.
Btw, even Trump says LGBTQ, so maybe you should at least as well. You sound like a fake ally.
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@Spencerwalker21 actually it's not LGBTQA+, it's LGBTQIA+. You didn't say anything meaningful, but I had to correct you.
And since you didn't look up and apply "the principle of charity", I'll quote the description right here in case you are too lazy to look up a link:
"In philosophy and rhetoric, the principle of charity or charitable interpretation requires interpreting a speaker's statements in the most rational way possible and, in the case of any argument, considering its best, strongest possible interpretation. In its narrowest sense, the goal of this methodological principle is to avoid attributing irrationality, logical fallacies, or falsehoods to the others' statements, when a coherent, rational interpretation of the statements is available."
Maybe you should not have forgotten about the golden rule btw: "Do unto others as you would have them do unto you".
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@jasonk8190 again, this discussion is about selfishness, and selfishness is about intent, not outcome. It is not about what might be obvious to you, it is about intent, not outcome. That is why Kyle and Krystal aren't selfish, you have to look at their intent, not what you believe the outcome will be from their actions. Last time you said you understood that, but then went on to write something that contradicted that claim of understanding. Do you still claim to understand me? This discussion is about the definition of selfishness. Unless you define what selfishness is in your next reply, I am going to go ahead and ignore you because as it is now, this is a complete waste of time.
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@Mohamed Nail "how are we better equipped? Because of technology?"
We know more. The more you know, the easier it is to make the correct calls.
"I sense the fallacy of presentism here. Believing that things are more correct (whimsically) because it is recent and modern."
Well, then that is your error, not mine. There is a difference between saying that you are better equipped to do better and actually doing better.
"Well Muslims take their morality from the book and Hadith itself."
Try to argue your point about the perfection of religions without mentioning Islam. Let us instead talk about how perfect Hinduism is, seems like a more honest exercise. Now that is a religion of 100% truth and perfect morality, don't you agree?
"There is not much interpretation needed"
Even if that would be the case, that is not how religion works. Most people do not act the way you think, they don't read the religious texts, they project onto the texts what they want them to say.
"About the laws, if they are based upon the whims of the people and not an objective foundation, these laws are subjective."
They are always based on something objective, like a country's constitution. That is actually more objective than a made up religion. As I said before, let's not talk about Islam as that is just one religion in the vast sea of religions. It is easier for you to talk objectively about religion if you are further removed from it, so let's talk Hinduism. I don't know much about it, so let us together find out how true and morally pure it is.
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