Comments by "Magic Beans" (@Magic_beans_) on "The Plain Bagel"
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Re: “If you’d invested back then you’d have this much now” - there’s also this thing called reversion to the mean, also illustrated by phenomena like ARKK Innovation or the Madden Curse.
Someone has a great year, better than anybody would have expected, so they suddenly get loads of press coverage, endorsement deals, new investors, or whatever. Before jumping on the bandwagon, remember that their great performance was noteworthy because it was unusual. True, it may represent a turning point in the player’s career or the emergence of a brilliant fund manager, but often they just had one good year. After that they go right back to being average, sometimes worse.
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They’re basically all the same, they hold a basket of assets and each of these funds’ baskets hold just one thing: Bitcoin. Unless you have a reason to seek out or avoid a certain provider, you may as well go with the cheapest. ARKB, BITB, IBIT, and FBTC are all in the 0.20-0.25% range. As our host mentioned, some funds are temporarily waiving part or all of their management fee.
Just my conjecture, but I suspect that they’re doing this is because within a couple years they expect the market to have consolidated into maybe three dominant funds, and everyone will flock to those going forward. We already have that with S&P 500 index funds: there are dozens of such funds but SPY, VOO, and IVV dominate. Even within a company, SPLG is 1/20 of the size of SPY and sees 1/10 the trading volume despite being the same holdings with a lower expense ratio. Since asset managers make their money as a percentage of assets under management, becoming one of those really big funds would be great for the bottom line.
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One thing I’d add here is that while index funds provide market-average returns, that’s way better than most individual investors get following a do-it-themselves approach. If someone doesn’t take the time to learn about the market and develop a solid plan, they’re very likely to buy on hype and sell due to fear.
Why is this important? In 2022 Amazon saw a 50% drop in their stock price, but by the end of 2023 when I’m writing this they’ve pretty much recovered. If someone saw the drop and sold their shares, they’d wind up taking a loss. Suppose instead they’d kept their head, reassessed whether they still believed in the company long-term. If they did, they could hold on and recover their money, or even buy more shares at the cheaper price and make some money as the stock recovered.
Anyway, index investing. If that appeals to you, a next step might be to look up the “three-fund portfolio” or the broader idea of the “lazy portfolio.” It’s not specific funds so much as a concept: pick a handful of funds representing different asset classes — just an example, but let’s say one for US stocks, one for foreign stocks, one for bonds, and one for real estate — and allocate your money across those according to your risk tolerance. From there you can just keep depositing and maybe check in every few months or even years to see if it needs rebalancing.
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@harrisonfreund7845 Exactly. Individuals may choose to invest according to the social-justice criteria many commenters are railing against, but ESG reports from rating agencies are more about managing business risk. What might make the company look bad, drive customers away, or attract lawsuits? Common topics include:
Environmental: Is the company meeting industry standards for responsible waste management and responsible marketing? If not, they risk attracting regulatory attention. Back in Ye Olden Days, McDonald's used to package their burgers in styrofoam containers, and it was customer demand that led them to switch to paper.
Social: Is the company responsive to shifts in consumer preference? For example Monster Energy's ESG report by MSCI notes that demand for low-sugar options has grown in recent years, and the company hasn't done a whole lot to respond to that. They have over 30 flavors and only about five have a sugar-free option.
Governance: Are a sufficient number of the Directors independent from the company and its owners? Do they rotate out regularly, or are their Directors so entrenched they may as well be employees? Companies like Tesla and Meta are structured so the CEO also holds a huge share of the voting power, so if you don't like where the company's headed you can't do anything about it.
That being the case, it's important to consider what you personally value as an investor. You can't outsource your ethical decisions to rating agencies. For example, Nestle is constantly catching flak for everything from price fixing to child labor. But they score well enough in other areas like data security and product safety that overall they tend to get pretty solid ESG ratings (AA according to MSCI).
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