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Islam: Giving base, male apes the self-entitlement to do anything, and always blame someone else. Those pricks from the mosque deserve to be trampled beneath the feet of change, sooner or later. I wonder what that Imam fuck would think about his mother if someone raped her, lol. He'd be like "Mom, I told you to cover up, look, it's written here in this book, that you'll get raped if you don't cover up, and now you're going to hell, mom you spoiled the perfect family heaven plan </3."
History will make sure to keep a good record, so that all of the future, can look back at the idiots in islam(and pretty much every other religion) and the seriously fucked up shit they did, all on a whim of a few nodding sex hungry Apes. Oh yeah, it's gonna be a good time soon, oooh yeah.
And I don't mean this as an offensive 'attack' or something. It's merely fact. You can't believe a lie and the truth at the same time, just like that, you can't believe in a religion, and reality or logic at the same time, and Progress doesn't go backwards, and that's what every religion is in its core, a lie.
And pressing your brain harder to believe something, really doesn't make it any real. What happens in your life, is that you get surrounded by the same mentality, which makes you feel like it's normal and Right to think like that. But in the end it's the believer's fault for believing. Because it is a choice. Nobody can force you to believe something, lel.
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+ciao ciaoi If you are serious, or downplaying them in any way; You might need to realise the difference between chemical exchanges between non sentient organisms, like bacteria, PLANTS, etc &, Actual verbal and physical communication of thoughts or emotions, and interpretation. lel
Oh, looky, I can Already see the cross validating (no need for facts here) herd gathering in this place, time to get some popcorn with salt and no butter, lololo.
I'm surprised to see uneducated idiots on a ted ed video....snorting whatever their confirmation bias can leewl.
-V. cool jokey otherwise <3.
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That is the herd morality. Where humans abandon truth, and instead, for comfort's sake, end up creating a morality that serves their own herd, rather than the morality that is aligned with reality, one that shows them how wrong they are. Like how in most human societies it is acceptable to eat an animal simply for taste, but ironically, you can suffer prosecution if you kill the animal publicly and slowly. And there are special exceptions to the animals that society uses to please itself without eating them, like dogs and cats. Of course, there are also societies that enjoy eating cats and dogs, like in South East Asian regions.
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***** Ok, Let's play a game. I'll give you situations, and you tell me whether it is moral or not:
1- I buy a Lion, cut his neck, hang it as trophy and eat the rest for "SURVIVAL".
2- I buy a chicken, Cut her neck, throw the head in the trash can, and eat the rest for "serviverl".
2- I take a human, Kill him/her, cut the neck, eat it to "Serviveeeee", and keep it as trophy.
Last thing i'll ask you to think about : Is the value of a life only determined by what you give it to be? How, tell me, how is the Value of your life greater than any other? Simply because you, and your human environment tells you it is? How is your Pet Dog's(Or anyone else's) more valuable than the beef you have killed so you can eat it?
Take your time.
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I understand your POV, but as soon as you get into using "more/less intelligent" as a metric/grading system for what to kill for food (not survival) and what to spare, you land on a morally slippery slope. A "person" is just a story you've come to believe, but there is nothing unique to humanity which makes them "exempt from being eaten".
There are "persons" who (for whatever reason) are less intelligent than the average Dolphin, Pig, Cow, Dog, etc., taking that logic a bit further, from your POV, it would be moral to eat the mentally handicapped person.
Intelligence is a bad metric to use. It's not about how intelligent something is. It's about whether it has a mind, and can suffer degraded states of existence.
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Bob Builder No, actually not necessary. The only reason YOU can create These "weapons of intellect", is BECAUSE of all the innovations, discoveries, inventions, etc, that EVERY HUMAN BEFORE YOU has done. IT's NOT the hunter nature, its the Collective contribution of BILLIONS of people. If you were NEVER IN CONTACT with another person your whole life, you WILL definitely be a Coward animal who hides in trees and eats fruits. A REAL hunter, with hunter instincts, WILL STILL be a hunter lol.
here's the raw argument: Unnecessary killing VS Humane sensibility. I guess The first one is right huh, lelel.
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Outside of human societies, where most "moral values" are presonalised, arbitrary and herd-serving. The act of eating a sentient organism's body is not immoral in itself, but what makes the participant moral or immoral, is whether they (a) needed to kill it for their own survival, and (b) whether the organism died of natural causes. No matter how you justify it, ultimately it is unnecessary, denies billions of sentient organisms a natural life and then has them killed and dismembered to satisfy the habits of humans.
Doing something undesired to one sentient organism is objectively equivalent to doing the same to another innocent sentient organism. If you wish to live by subjective morals that are detached from reality and can be bent anytime to preserve one's sense of "decency". I'm sure you'd have a little more problem with a human baby being raised in loving care, shown kindness and kept well and cozy, randomly strung up and decapitated one day unnaturally, then chopped up and packed for buyers to consume. But somehow you seem to conveniently presume that only your own specie and a few other cherry picked species of sentient organisms that you are "familiar and comfortable with", have some magical property that raises them above everything else.
It's all made up, completely detached from reality. You might as well wear fake elf ears and ride a horse around while holding a bow, acting like you're Legolas the eld from Lord of the Rings universe. It's equally detached from objective reality. Why even try at this point? Your whole statement is a contradiction to itself.
"probably not", I am doubtful now, as to whether you've done sufficient research to have confident in what you believe. It seems your statement is more of a symbol to convince yourself.
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Kenzoil Strikesback How long are you gonna stay blind to what is right in front of you, just because it doesn't match up the Pre-held beliefs of you and your peers, instead of just acknowledging the more real truth, instead of bending it to your narrative of reality, how long will you overlook every evidence against you until it becomes too much? Morals apply to anything that feels pain and psychological trauma, and a bunch of other stuff, but you get the premise, not who you 'think is moral'. How much courage does one need to say "ok, I admit I was wrong, and I'll change because there is enough proof." ?
The burden of proof, is upon the one making the claim, not the ones who the claim is being made to, lol.
Here's mine.
Your turn.
(or it can just be that this all 'philosophy stuff and nonmoral' is a facade made to cover the original intent of your actions and justifications, which is the love for the taste, and the apathy for wherever it comes from, in which case I wouldn't even wanna talk any further.)
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Peteruspl Yep, right on braahhhh!
People tend to EXTERNALISE the thing they call "happiness" and "peace of mind" "the thing that makes them feel validated", and attach it to things like a unicorn, or orgies, bikes, anything external, you name it.
And spend their whole life chasing them.(often pretending they're happy when they have the thing they attached their happiness to, which is only temporary)
When the simplest way to remove the chaos, is to go to it's core. Which exists within the person's mind, and spend time sorting it out.
(I find it much easier than spending hours putting on fucking makeup, fake plastic horn and walking to a club with skin tight clothes, which you can't even prespirate in)
As long as one is not suffering from a horrible illness/wound, or starvation, or homelessness. If a person has the basic needs met, they can perfectly achieve mental calm(and more) just by sitting down and going through their life again and again, wiser and wiser, clearer and clearer.
Ofc there will be people who're biologically built in a way that makes it impossible for them, but that's not an excuse for anyone else hehe.
Lesson: externalisation is a bitchhhhhhhh (and can make you dress up as a silly unicorn)
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Bob Builder What is your( or a normal person's) response when they see a wild animal of the hunter type, such as a lion or a Leopard? That's right, people shit their pants, fear strikes in. That's not what happens to a hunter lol.
"Human Intellect" lol. That's why the same "Hunters" are roaming city streets, homeless, jobless, begging and looking through trash..errr.. i mean.. Hunting, Lol. What happened to the Natural hunter instinct? lel.
IF it doesn't apply to ALL HUMANS, it's not scientifically accurate. These are just beliefs that you foster by hanging around the same minds as yourself who support the same ideas and ignorance, so you get so comfortable with the whole idea lellelele.
You(and many others reading this) are like this " We have a choice to kill or not to kill this animal. Meh, let's fucking kill it already, since it doesn't look like me"
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Sad.Male.Cunts.
I wonder why it must be mostly males who spam-disliked the video without even watching HALF of it lol - Here's why, Males in the homo sapiens, are more tribal in behavior, are easier to lure by using tribalistic ideologues, and 'principles'. These people lack individuality, they always seek GROUPS/ *HERDS/TRIBES*, to smudge their own identity with the group, so they don't have to take accountability of their own beliefs and actions. It's a way to "let go", kind of like religion, where you just believe random, self-serving shit, in order to save you the trouble of having to correct one's delusions, etc, etc. ;)
This, ultimately makes them weak, afraid, and stunted in their self-progress. They lack the capacity to adapt, because they always seek escape into a herd, causing their capacity for self-correction to become limp, lol.
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Gavin, look, all this elaborate display of mental gymnastics is all well and good, but your whole argument can be used to justify rape, slavery, genocide, ethnic cleansing, rape, rape, forced impregnation, murder, thievery, deception, literally anything.
Basically, appeal to nature, or physics, or anything else is a bad argument. The more broad and vague you make your justifications, the more space they have for logical gaps.
Edit: Imagine raping a baby after giving it gratitude for being a lifeform and thanking it for letting a more superior human utilize it.
ALSO - Almost every lifeform with a brain on this planet is sentient. You need to correct your understanding of the word. "Sentience" evolved in brains way before humans even came close to existing, thanks for the specie-wide compliment though.
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This dumbfuck would rather have a "Narrative" based on Jesusy values that are INHERENTLY DECEPTIVE, AND DEGENERATIVE TO HUMAN NATURE, because it is based on archaic "information" that people had 2,000 years ago and earlier, rather than accept the inherent "unnarrated nature" of the universe. AND THENNN, learn to CREATE meaning for one's own existence, based on REALITY. He instead, just loses his fucking mind because there is NO PRESET SET OF RULES FOR HIM TO LIVE BY, so he screams "OBVIOUSLY Christianity is the ANSWER because it tells us what to do!!" He wants his hand held through existence, how afraid he is of the inherent chaos of being alive lol, he seems traumatized.
IF you are a dedicated fanboy of him, someone who IDOLIZES this person leaving no room for imperfection, you will simply think I am just a mad hater troll leftard, but you fail to understand that ALMOST ALL OF THIS MAN'S SENSE OF REALITY, IS DERIVED FROM A FUCKING FAIRY TALE.
He has FAILED the principles of philosophy and skeptical thought.
However, I must commend him on standing up against the whole "Pronoun Crisis" in his country, but now people have put him on a pedestal, and he is not looking to correct his own DELUSIONS anytime soon. He is a poor choice for direction in life. He will send you somewhere, but you might as well try to become the wizard of Oz, they're EQUALLY DETACHED FROM THE REAL WORLD.
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Love Baltazar Hehe yeah, there's no way that a world, which keeps advancing in technology, ethics, and the general understanding regarding the similarity of our sentience, etc, is gonna consider eating meat a morally acceptable position for a modern society to hold. Just like slavery, it won't be instant, but there will come a time when it's just too darn obvious. (Remember, most people are just doing it because if they don't, they fear losing a lot of things, everything from 'their sense of self', to 'the company of the people they consider to be important in life' And the companies know it, that's why they attach eating meat to all kinds of social, familial, patriotic and other aspects.
Not a matter of " if it will happen". It is going to happen. Just a matter of when :).
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When you think that is an argument, you failed to see the mountain of life experience, memories, connections attached to the real world that is present in those individuals. Even if the individual is damaged in any way, the individual, the "PERSON" still exists, they still physically suffer, and can have subjective experience of that suffering, even if it is again, at a damaged level. Everything that again, is NON EXISTENT in the fetus, because it is just a developing Pre-organism mass with not even the capacity for the former's ability to experience subjectively (even if the person is in a coma, the individual ALREADY EXISTS, other persons attached to that individual who will also suffer, ALREADY EXIST lel, this is not open to debate, this is fact.
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Ash Bartlett Actually, EVERYTHING PSYCHOLOGICAL, STEMS FROM BIOLOGICAL MECHANISMS!!! (surprise; even your comment), time to play, dammmmmmmit.
Also, since you've stated "evolutionary psychology". Maybe you should try dwelling into the bit where the men actively seek out women/OtherMen in order to fulfill the urges stemming from THEIR BIOLOGY, which is affected by their genetics, to how their mommy treated them, etc,etc.
"seems like a normal desire of women"
>>See how you used "normal", showing that you don't consider this to be a ridiculously low % of the population as claim it to be NORMAL, lol. Which is why I called it a generalisation. BECAUSE the words NORMAL and GENERALISATION also have LITERAL meaning.
"as opposed to a fetish (of men)". Lol, how can you just jump over the fact of that Person ACTIVELY seeking out someone to dominate him, but seem to hit the imaginary wall of "ITS THE WOMEN LUSTING FOR MONAAYAY".
Seems shallow as fuck.
FUCK, I NEED TO EAT BREAKFAST!!! FUCKING INTERRUPTIONSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!! STAPHHH!
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CoalOres You sad ape. Here's something new besides the bones you grind on daily- the ABILITY TO SUFFER PAIN, OR TO SENSE PAIN SUBJECTIVELY, is a function of an ORGAN/ORGAN SYSTEM, just like ANY OTHER FUNCTION. This is scientific fact. Sentience is not atomic, neither is it uni cellular. It is the RESULT OF AN ORGAN OR A GROUP OF ORGANS/TISSUES PRODUCING A REAL, QUANTIFIABLE number of activities, which collectively, are asserted to be sentience. NONE OF THE ORGANS ARE PRESENT ON PLANTS, NO PLANT TISSUE WORKS AS NERVOUS TISSUE, WHICH IS ABSENT IN ALL PLANTS, BECAUSE THE FUCKING PLANTS NEVER FUCKING EVOLVED A NERVOUS FUCKING SYSTEM, HOW THE FUCK DO YOU NOW KNOW THIS, AND YOU COPY PASTE FUCKING HERD VOMIT REGURGITATED. YOU NEED CERTAIN ORGANS TO BE SENTIENT, AND THE COW HAS IT, THE DOG HAS IT, THE HAWK HAS IT. WHY? BECAUSE IT EVOLVED BEFORE FUCKING HOMO SAPIENS SPLIT FROM OTHER APES, AND BEFORE THAT, FROM OTHER MAMMALS, WHO ALREADY HAD THE SENTIENT MECHANISM IN THEM, BECAUSE THE ANCESTOR WHICH DEVELOPED THAT >TRAIT/MUTATION<, or A GROUP OF SUCH, TO LEAD TO SENTIENCE, HAD ALREADY PASSED IT ONTO MORE BRANCHES THAN JUST THE ONE THAT ENDED UP ONLY ON HUMANS, YOU SELF INFLATED SICK FUCK.
There's your science and history lesson, go fucking school yourself a bit, or just focus on feeling intellectually offended, and then use it to overlook everything, only to throw some more herd vomit my way.
You are looking like a joke to so many people. And only idiots are laughing at me. Sigh Sigh. Help yourself, sometimes, will you? You don't even have to face the shame of looking directly at me as I spoke this to you, it's so much easier for you to just change right now as you sit behind a screen connected to the internet seeing this plain white and black. Try admitting it once, I know you can anticipate the feeling, and I know you don't like it. You are a human, and you can only go so far in hiding something so huge, and not your dick <3.
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CGonzales033 Sorry bro, I live in India, and have lived in India all 22 years of my life. Going deeper: I live near the Himalayas, My home Village didn't have Proper roads around the time i was born either, lel.. So i have had a more realistic experience of "Hard Life".
You do know that non-meat Products are Almost Half the price of meat products? How much does a pound of beef cost in comparison to a pound of, say, spinach?
You do know that to Raise a chicken to X pounds, you need to Feed it More FOOD than X pounds?
Did you pull the last line out of someone's butt? and remember this very well. the veggies you eat? lots of animals and their habitat have to die and be wiped out as well. LOL. You know How many hundreds of pounds of GRAIN/"Veg" Food a Cattle must eat to be Slaughterable? Where the fuck does that food come from? God? Angels? That takes LAND too, and not to feed humans, but Animals, LOL Jesus fuck, why did i even start this lol?
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WHAT?!!!! That's bullshit, He keeps giving new comedy material anytime he leaves the privacy of his handlers. You alt cuckers are just tryna use a less blatantly passive aggressive statement than "we hate the jokes, makes us uneasy, we cant attack you directly", so now you insult them by calling them old? How dare u sir those jokes are completely youthful and crisp fresh out the dankmine. Then we have Barple Blarp kind of people who never had a decent positive male figure in their lives, so now they gotta think they're one with the president (even though his and anyone's vote was worthless because he lost majority vote and was selected by the 'electoral college' (LOL, by rules it sounds like something you'd keep by law, if you wanted the option to OVERTURN THE PEOPLE'S VOTE IN A DEMOCRACY, if not convenient lolllllll)
I mean, almost 50% usa citizens are fucking obese lol, I'm sure Donald's not the first problem they'll internalize and let further shit on their existence and further make the people into a product.
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Guilherme C. Yes I know that happens to people. Just like heroine addicts get weak and dizzy and sick if they don't get their fix, Any habit, which has existed for almost a lifetime, WILL HAVE RIPPLES of effects.
Just because lifting weights hurts one's muscles, should one stop? It's the body going through physiological change.
Should obese people NOT avoid eating excess of food? Just because they will feel weak and dizzy?
I understand what you're saying, but their system's just addicted to it, and when they stop suddenly, they suffer change, and Change IS unsettling.
How are the Vegetarian options "expensive", literally everything non-vegetarian on the menu im holding right now, is +1$>than what the Veg alternative is.
But I guess people in the modern world can afford to switch their iphones everytime a new on comes out, but it risky to "occasionally pay more for not having an animal killed for a meal".
Hence lies before you, this world in its present, deranged state. Remember that it isn't those 'Moral high horse Vegetarian and Vegans' who're responsible for doing the things that've lead to it. Who else is left?
Also, "Naturally", cannibals have existed, entire friggin tribes. They probably get dizzy too, I guess that argument's a thing, sweet.
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SmelliestElm I see, now tell me how it is any different than my kicking some "helpless weakling" off their wheelchair, and then cut them until they bleed out? Or picking a baby and throwing him 20 feet up, because he couldn't fight back. While hiding behind made up laws, rights, society to protect you own weak ass YOURSELF. I'm sure you'll NEVER call for help, if someone fucks you up, breaks into your house, or just beats the shit out of you in general, The Irony.
You're one of those idiots who need to pretend like life is so tough, they wanna feel like they're some hunters or some shit, because there's nothing else to your life, you lack actual strength, so you pretend like it's some tough shit to eat meat, to fill up for the things you lack, seeing how deluded you are about the most basic mechanisms. Fucking Chimp brain Logic you have, well I guess its' a part of the package. A Blank piece of paper has more complexity to its existence, lol.
Looking forward to how the question is dodged.
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Just because "Opinions" are subjective, does not magically convert all facts about reality into "opinions", and neither are all opinions equally baseless as yours.
Example: There is a spherical ball on a table.
- I say it is spherical and a ball. (sure, this might be my opinion, but it is based on reality and can be proven as such, which makes it more than just an opinion, it becomes fact.
- You say it is a pyramid of the illuminati. (sure, this might be your opinion, But you've just pulled it out of your ass, and it has no basis in reality, and at no point will the spherical ball change itself to fit your opinion.)
You are the kind of person who tries to outright flatten all moral potential of humanity by saying shit like 'we just don't know', so you can hide and justify your immoral state and immoral habits.
Ben, spend some time working on your cognition, it's poorly formed right now, and seems to be deformed to serve your needs, rather than observe the real world.
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Oh man what is this?
"kind of like how a closeted gay man would grow a beard to cover up for their insecurity with their sexuality you instead attacking people with strength try to bog them with words you think they won't understand but to me it just seems like you're trying to look smart and coming off insecure and arrogant although it's possible that it's not insecurity but narcissism"
That was a tangent, you again, just gave your subjective opinion on what you subjectively perceived. *You have continuously failed to mention a single fact that proves that I am being 'self-righteous, etc.' it's like you've deluded yourself into thinking that your personal interpretations have any inherent value.
"oh and why do you expect scientific facts in an argument about morality that's rather silly"
Another stupid statement from someone who's clearly scientifically ignorant but thinks his opinion is just as valid as everyone else's.
Now that is an inferiority complex trying to compensate, if nothing else.
Because of how limited your knowledge of biology is, you are incapable of observing the details of cognitive experience that underlie all conscious existence. The same conscious experience that creates moral structures, and even in non human species, organisms inherently experience moral and immoral behaviors. And ultimately, all biology emerges from the laws of this universe, that means THEY ARE FIXED IN PLACE, and everything emerging from it, will follow the same laws. Too bad for you there is no space in it for your made up interpretations. Just because you hold made up opinions about what morality is, and just because you like to believe that there is no way morality can be objective, despite every mechanism involved in existence, is objective. The subjectivity only arises from your ignorance and need to compensate for the lack of knowledge, the same knowledge that you have NEVER IN YOUR ENTIRE LIFE, bothered to pursue, but FOR YOUR ENTIRE LIFE, YOU HAVE PRESUMED GARBAGE BELIEFS TO COMPENSATE.
And frankly, you seem to be offended more than irritated. Like some primitive behavior of yours was just evoked when you read through what I wrote. Perhaps you've got a history of animal abuse, that could be plausible seeing how defensive you've gotten.
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No action is inherently moral or immoral. Firing a gun is only immoral if there's a sentient, innocent organism in the way of the bullet, but it's not immoral if done in self-defense/preservation. Eating meat isn't inherently immoral. The immoral aspect only emerges when an innocent organism suffers/dies without its consent, by the actions of an organism that understands consequences (this is important because there are organisms {even young humans, and humans with mental disabilities} who do not possess enough cognitive range or information to understand consequences.
However, since the universe has objective, fixed laws, that implies there is no pure subjective morality within it. Every system within a deterministic universe will possess deterministic properties. the feeling of subjective morality only emerges in the interpretations of limited organisms, such as you and us. Subjectivity emerges due to a lack of sufficient information, and the dependency on the interpreter's biological limitations.
So to reduce it to the meat argument - It's immoral to be a contributor in the death of a sentient organism, to eat it WHEN OTHER OPTIONS EXIST, which is the case for almost every single human living within the convenient sphere of human civilization. In a situation when no other options are available, the context changes, and killing another organism to ensure one's survival becomes morally acceptable. But even in that situation, there are people who'd chose to let themselves die.
Also- there's no nutrient/mineral/etc within an animal's body that cannot be sourced elsewhere, so the 'eating meat for health' is a bogus, invalid argument.
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Democracy SOS Actually, creating the term "race", and integrating it into a social structure, does give cause to racism, if it's just a biological term, nobody will be killing over it, but once people start getting attached to it, and have it enforced as an identity, then yeah, it kind of plays a part. It's not always this thing's or that thing's fault, sometimes it is a shared fault. The grey.
Ultimately people are the cause, but the tools can also be weakened, if not removed.
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matt d "Exodus 35:2
For six days, work is to be done, but the seventh day shall be your holy day, a day of sabbath rest to the LORD. Whoever does any work on it is to be put to death.
Leviticus 16:29
"This is to be a lasting ordinance for you: On the tenth day of the seventh month you must deny yourselves and not do any work-whether native-born or a foreigner residing among you-
Numbers 15:32
While the Israelites were in the wilderness, a man was found gathering wood on the Sabbath day.
Numbers 15:35
Then the LORD said to Moses, "The man must die. The whole assembly must stone him outside the camp.""
I am sorry, bro. That's what's written in the bible, "kill a man who works on a sunday(and arbitrarily made day, which is a part of an arbitrary calendar, which is simply used by the homo sapiens as a means of comprehending time).
All religions are wrong if they believe in a super natural entity which created everything and existed before everyting, because they ALL fail to prove their CLAIMS, and fail to hold up against people becoming more educated. If something flourishes in ignorance and denial, it probably is not something that is true.
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miguelram10 Lol, I am not of any religion, what are you even talking about? At least complete a sentence if you're going to write it. Nobody ever said "Yo, I'm an atheist and I am doing the will of non-belief and BOOM YOU ALL GONNA GET BLOWN UP." Islamist, 95% of the time easily, the other 5 because they don't get to say it sometimes. This is the reality.
It's happened in christianity too, hinduism, etc,etc,etc, as well, every religion with a supernatural god, IS SIMPLY an excuse to do the things people want to do and get away by blaming the primary cause on someone who can't even prove its own existence.
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***** Incorrect, typical religion-defence move tho. Mao zedhong and Joseph stalin did kill all those people(well, not them alone, with all the other millions of people in support of them, of faiths, too) but, what you don't realise, is that *They had DEIFIED THEMSELVES in their own people's image. EVEN AFTER HIS DEATH, PEOPLE STILL PRAY TO MAO LIKE HE'S A GOD. PEOPLE LITERALLY REPLACED THEIR GODS WITH THEM.
Also, another main point: When an ISLAMIST or someone else who believes in a religion, like a CRUSADER, etc, KILL PEOPLE, they say "I DID IT FOR GOD". When Mao and Stalin or any other supposed atheist, kills someone, they don't say "*OH, LOOK AT ME, I AM KILLING PEOPLE BECAUSE OF MY ATHEISTIC BELIEFS! IT'S TOTALLY NOT BECAUSE OF POWER AND RESOURCE GREED, BECAUSE THAT COULDN'T EVER BE THE CASE.
Not to mention, MAO AND STALIN, WERE Not influenced by PURE ATHEISM, but by DOGMATIC MARXISM.
Nobody can use being an atheist as an excuse to kill and murder and then glorify it on top of it all. Religion, now that's when heads start rolling for heaven points $$$$$$.
Remember, it is religion, that is the CLUB. NOT BEING PART OF A CLUB, DOES NOT AUTOMATICALLY MAKE YOU PART OF ONE OTHER CLUB, LOL.
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evarand123 awesome I see you using clever words like "children".
Let me give you something to read:
*Quran (2;191-193) - "And kill them wherever you find them, and turn them out from where they have turned you out. And Al-Fitnah [disbelief] is worse than killing...
but if they desist, then lo! Allah is forgiving and merciful. And fight them until there is no more Fitnah [disbelief and worshipping of others along with Allah] and worship is for Allah alone. But if they cease, let there be no transgression except against Az-Zalimun (the polytheists, and wrong-doers, etc.)*
BASICALLY: "Kill all the fucking disbelievers until there is no more disbelief!!!!*
One More:
Quran (3;56) - "As to those who reject faith, I will punish them with terrible agony in this world and in the Hereafter, nor will they have anyone to help."
Pretty much says "You are fucked out of luck if you ain't my follower, bitches"
Oh yeah, BUT IT DOESN'T, DIRECTLY, USE THE WORD "CHILDREN" IN THOSE VERSES, I GUESS ITS PERFECTLY FINE THEN! lol
Have you even read the one book you're supposed to read? Do you want some more "IT DOESN'T EXIST IN THE QURAN" stuff? The denial is strong, despite literally quoting the very book that's supposed to be ONE HUNDRED PERCENT TRUE AND TAKEN WORD BY WORD, BECAUSE IF THE BOOK IS IMPERFECT, THEN THE WRITER IS IMPERFECT, AKA ALLAH.
jesus fucking christ, can't you figure this shit out for yourself?
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Shoot Right Here "Because we advance in technology; we won't eat meat? What's your logic?"
Clearly, the only time you use your brain, is when your preconceived ideas need defending. You've probably never heard of synthetic meat(yes im making it sound unfancy).
Do you think you have a choice of slavery? No. But you did 200 years ago. Just like that, you'll get fucked up if you even try to eat 'real' meat soon. Change doesn't just "sweep" everything in a single moment, it starts from small pockets, and uproots caveman cultures, nice and slow.
"It's not a general advancement in ethics that there are vegetarians. There have been for a very long time, many for different reasons. It's just a competing diet, to most completely inconsequential."
You're in denial, if you think they just 'happen to be coincidentally vegetarian/vegan'. You're calling an action "inconsequential", in a society, where people switch from racist to anti-racist, not when they learn, but simply by it becoming too much of a Social Stigma.
Don't make me write the obvious. Are there less vegans and vegetarians than ever existed before? LEL.Nope.
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***** Exactly. It's always a choice to become something(of the mind)(only the things you want to enter, will enter your mind; hate,greed,anger, grievance,etc). The girl actively decides to pick the worst characteristics she can, when she could learn so much from her teachers and her mom, and even in that "bad neighbourhood" she could find someone good (which again, isn't important to become a good person). She's the one who's getting hurt the most by her own decisions,(in the long run). She probably never tried to create a haven in her own mind, pity..
If we didn't become our environment, what excuse does she have, lel?..
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Bob Builder Lol i guess there's even a bunch of religious people here, for whom their "god" gives them permission to kill animals.
Back to the point: By "roaming the streets", i am referring to all the homeless people all over the world, millions of them. What happened to their "hunter skillz" lol? If you wanna talk about instinct, they are reacting like scavengers, begging and scouring through trash (stop making me repeat myself).
You know why you would be afraid and run the other direction or climb a tree, beg for your life, if you saw a Real predator?
Because humans(you too) are Naturally cowardly creatures. Fear is the first instinct that kicks in.
But the ignorance barrier is too stronk, lel.
And now we have the part where this shit goes off topic, which, to remind you is "Double standards of moral values, supported by completely nonsense logic where one animal's life is ok to TAKE, UNLESS you torture it, because that's a NO-NO. Lol Fucking dumbasses."
Dem belief Cling-ons tho.
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allcatsaregrey By definition, the word Natural, means "Derived/existing from nature and devoid of humankind. In that context, me using the term natural is correct, because We didn't evolve to make farmlands, it was a discovery, if the people who discovered it never existed, everything would be different. (Butterfly Effect).
If the basis for killing something being OK is "As long as it doesn't become extinct, then why is it not applicable to humans? If you want to call us a part of nature, you can not bubble humans out, simply because. What if someone took you and said " there's enough of you, It's justified". Little holes in morality.
We all have a view of everything we know, each with their own opinions. Just because there's more thinking in one way, does not make the belief any truer.
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allcatsaregrey It's like saying "we evolved to use electricity". No, we did not, if we did, then every one of the species would be able to. It did not happen that way.
We didn't evolve to go into space, neither did we evolve to fly planes or ride bikes. These were inventions by individuals, which accumulated the centuries, (most after industrial age, scientific revolution etc.
A generation, if lost all contact from the Piled up information, would Act exactly like the primitive ancestors, they would have no concept of fire, god, or planes. That is fact.
So just because nature is cruel, let's just go along with accepting murders, why not, i don't see a human above any other animal, because humans themselves have the ability to act worse than animals, which they do, more than often.
Just like whites against black was racism, where they thought they were entiteled to have slaves, why are they wrong? Should we say they are right too, simply because nature is often cruel? You can't run about your life like this, making exceptions to a matter of someone's life or death.
People have just been indoctrinated to feel like they have some right over everything that moves. How are the nazis wrong? They even base their MO on "evolution", and yet again, nature is very cruel, indeed so.
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allcatsaregrey Just because Human perception (which is limited and handicapped in itself) calls something right or wrong, does not make it that, it only does so for the believer, and your Thought of something Does not change it's ultimate reality.
Heck, If everyone in the world was a slave-owning, white supremecist, then It wouldn't be "bad" to be that, "because everyone would share the same thought", look for confirmation bias, as i said.
PS. Society has nothing to do with "TRUTH". Nothing. Seriously, nothing. If suddenly a society of rapists pops up, and somehow, hypothetically, they amass millions under the banner, Will you suddenly say "oh i guess rape is ok, since the whole society supports the outlook". Lel.
If not ignorance, i have no other word for it.
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yonkersfugitive Long story short: I don't give a fuck about turning anyone into a vegetarian, especially not half assed yanky fucks who think it's badass to eat meat and somehow think that it's not possible to live without it, and that It's ok to kill anything as long as you raise it... (except humans, because God said that's bad). So, you, do me a favour, and get the fuck out of MY post, lol. What are you even doing here?
Lol, stop comparing yourself to a lion, Lelelelelel, hilarious.
You, in your natural butthurt monkey response, ended up completely steering off the main point, which was the double- standards you all have, which puts Human life over everything else and the hypocrisy of believing that you are doing the animals a favour by raising and killing them.
Go read.
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mohammad hosain But there is LITERALLY, evidence of that guy, saying "If the woman doesn't cover herself completely, a man will just be unable to stop himself from attacking her (yes, even if he's muslim), and it will be the GIRL's fault, because she didn't cover herself up and didn't stay at home.
Nobody cares what's written in the bloody book, when the reality is so full of patriarchal rape-allowing bullshit.
EVEN the fucking head of the police in the area, told the Vice lady, that "He's still feeling attracted to her skin, and that she needs to cover up EVEN MORE." Jee, If this is how the top officials think, I wonder what the peasants will be like.
Sucks that Allah, can't even save a muslim girl's dignity, or from being raped by a Gang of muslim guys, let alone what comes after that.
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Team Gamerfood Oh lord, be "normal", lol". That's like the last fucking resort you have? You might want to considering doing something else with your time" The only sensible thing you said, I shall listen to that, and not waste time on you, lel. A wasteful existence will lay waste, and waste away in it, itself, failing to live, you will experience this, as you are now. Theeeheeeehehehehehehe Enjoy your stake, chump.
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***** No, it's not immoral for a lion to hunt, because he doesn't know how to grow plants, neither is he suitable to graze, same goes for most all carnivore types. They kill and feed on other life, because they have NO CHOICE. If you raise a lion, you can make him live on a vegetarian diet, lol.
But We, we have a choice. When we do have a choice to do less evil, and yet we go on saying that it's ok to kill/ have someone killed for food because it's 'needed' for their 'sustenance' and 'survival', when it is clearly not, which makes it a messed up excuse to go n killing members of several species, entire generations, gone into the chop shop.
Why do you have sympathy for just humans(or animals humans have told you are "friends") and suddenly when something that would be human right violation, is done to an entire species, you feel nothing?
Iv'e never eaten meat and i never will, and i know i'll never need to, because eating meat is NOT the highest source of "Protein", which some knuckle-heads use as an excuse. Because if eating a lot of meat made people "healthy" then america (+other countries) wouldn't have so many over-weight people, who can't even walk by themselves.
Take some time to think about it, hope i answered your question.
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America can't even run itself properly lol😂, I'd prefer the indigenous inhabitants, like the Kurds and Yazidi people, who belong to that land and fought to free it, get more control.
While the "true muslim people of allah" are busy hiding in their overrated mansions made of oil money and poor Muslims' tithes, fucking underage prostitutes and their cousins in Saudi Arabia.
When I say Arabs, I mean the people and religious groups who hold the most power over these lands; almost total control through the hand of religion and culture, the same religion and culture brought here by Mohammad's raping, pillaging warmongers. Those people became the "new Arabs", after they killed or subjugated the original inhabitants.
In other terms, by Arabs, I really just mean to say the overwhelming majority of "one kind" of people present in that peninsula, at the current moment.
Though the kurds are one of the "OG Arabs", they don't have enough of a presence to put them under the title of an "arab", I sense negativity is carried with the title.
Damn talk about unraveling too much of it, I'll have to go read more on my yazidi homies too.
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Here's the only thing that can be done to appease all involved groups :
If any percentage of people in Kashmir want "Independence", meaning they are separatists and want to join Pakistan because they feel closer to it, it's understandable and they have the right to think how they want, BUT they don't get to drag the WHOLE STATE out of India just because of their personal feelings and desires.
It is immoral to disrupt other people's lives for your desires. If All Kashmiris wanted to be separated from India, and form their own country or join Pakistan, then it would be wrong to stop them.
But that is not the case. If half of Canadian citizens wanted to join USA, would it be right to force every Canadian to become a US citizen lol? They're literally ignoring all the suffering they will cause to people who don't share their dreams.
So, the only 2 sensible options become -
1- People who want to join Pakistan, can move to Pakistan. And obviously, Pakistani gov has to allow them CITIZENSHIP, and economic opportunity, etc. But I doubt they have the ability right now to handle millions in migration, and not as refugees, but citizens.
2- Re-locate all the separatists, and give them their own corner of Kashmir with their own governing bodies and whatnot, which can be allocated depending on the percentage of Kashmiris that are separatists.
And my personal take is that this "separatist sentiment" is religion fueled. Which means it's make believe, which means it is unrealistic, which means it's pointless.
Separatists will never leave in peace the people who're fine with what they're part of and don't have a wish to change countries.
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I know, guys, the whole mentioning of 'woohoo all female panel' is not the most 'bipartizan'. I may say it's a mild cringe vibe, too.
But you are the one ultimately making a choice, voluntary or not, to react to the degree which you do. It's not classical physics, you have "control" over your subjective interpretation and irritation regarding this thing. I could have done the same as a base reaction, but try instead, to choose the option of reacting like "ok, not the best taste, but I see the lady is excited to get an all female panel to bring the women in this field into the spotlight' so I'm not gonna put in extra effort to get offended, and just focus on the important stuff since that's what I'm presumably here for".
From the outside it may seem the 'science industry' is completely equal opportunity, but it's not. It's definitely better than 30 years ago, and it's certainly getting closer.
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Correction, it is EITHER good OR evil. There is no such thing as a decent bad man, or a foul decent man lel. The SUM OF ALL of an individual's actions become its morality, it either falls on good, or evil. Don't worry, pals, we're not the generation upon whom the duty lies to be fully moral, the best we can be expected, given our current biological state and surroundings, is to be as little evil as we can, while being as good as we can.
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Naamtar I would have to disagree on him being "bipolar extreme".
He actively chases a state of mind, he does not switch involuntarily. When the "unicorn phase passed", he changed. But because he grew out of it/got bored/ didn't quite work out for him/ What he wanted from it, he got, but for a short period, and then the facade got too annoying to continue, and became more of a drag.
He's looking more like someone who did some drugs and felt like he figured it out, but didn't, then went to something else, like witchcraft. He's creating "goals" in his mind, and then attaching "spiritual/mystical sounding/looking shit to that "goal", until he gets tired of pretending like he's getting what he wanted from it. Something like that. He doesn't just go there. He Rationalises it beforehand.
I can't see how that is bipolarity( at least not in the EXTREME sense.) Since Mania and depression are NOT EXCLUSIVE to bipolarity.
Obviously he can't tell what state of mind he is in or what illness he is suffering from, etc, which is literally the opposite of self aware. He could even be Schizoaffective. Also, since it's been long from when i watched this video, I believe he said he went to burning man, took some drugs, and THEN shit happened. so he didn't do all this shit while he was sober from what i recall.
I really don't see the EXTREME Bipolarity in him.
Not everyone going through PHASES is bipolar. Also, being bipolar doesn't make one a master of detecting other bipolars either.
I'm probably more bipolar than him, in a regulated manner, lel.
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Once again, if a god does somehow exist, do you think he crated you solely for the reason to pray to him all your life and to never understand anything and you expect this will give you freedom from this life?
God doesn't need petty prayers.
Where do you think this world would be if religion still ruled everyone's ignorant minds?
That is right, The Fucking Bronze Age. Earth would still be center of the universe, dinosaurs died 6000 years ago(along with 90% of earth's species). People would still be praying to be cured from snake bites(oops) and cancer. And people would still being burnt to death for being "Witches".
You use the things people made, the same people who realised that god was just a box that they were kept inside, a box that hid the whole world from them and made them feel like they are sinful being, and their only way of redemption is to keep paying the priests and keep begging for forgiveness.
Criminals kill, thinking they will be freed if they prayed enough. People enslaved the whole "Black" Race, because the same "god" said that it was OK , LOL!!! LELELELELEL!!!
Your whole idea of AFTERLIFE depends on that little black book being TRUE. ( the same book of which science and intelligence has proven completely bogus and full of monstrous crap that allows people to discriminate against anyone else they please and can commit genocide in the name of your god. A God like that, along with all its justifiers... are poison to this world. To every child born, i hope this poison doesn't touch them.
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Steven Bishop Lol, so, somehow writing in caps, is a sign of going crazy. When you look at another animal, I wonder what all you are blind to, like gouging your own morality out.
But, Obviously enough, here you are, telling me to take my meds, leeeeeeeeeeeel. Whatever helps you distract yourself from accepting anything other than what you prefer. What a convenient way to live. "It's only bad if it happens to my kind of animals, because in all of existence, I bet you and your self interests, are somehow special.
Yes, I'm surely the one who's lost their grip, oh the hilarity.
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Aldo Vazquez I understand, But he STILL, eats the same factory food, industrialised foods, all kinds of unhealthy shit, and Several Times More, too. So, he DOES have a higher propensity for disease and death.
Also, the only time one would become fat, is when they are eating more than they need to. (or they have genetic deficiencies, but that's used more as an excuse).
Twice the weight ain't twice as big, somewhat. Phelps is 1.93 meters himself. Which is not half of this guy's size. AND Swimming IS one of the HIGHEST burners of Calories, and I can bet literal money on the fact that Phelps swims more than this guy Eats and Lifts.
So, he eats twice, though he needs half, and Phelps does Twice, in Half. So he's reduced his physical efficiency down to 1/4th?
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CurrencyPrime "One of the best". Claim made, prove it. I don't see any trophies, and there's tens of thousands of strongmen in the world, if not more, and you have nothing to deny that there's people who do better than him at lesser, overall calorie cost, conclusion; his diet, and causally, body is inefficient.
People like you only suck up on other people's beings and leech off them, just to feel less worthless. The typical "Oh, since you're not a participant in the action, you cannot criticise it, but oh yes, all praises are welcome, since we're little butthurt kids who can't deal with any kind of scrutiny, due to psychological inadequacies." Sorry, now I know ^-^.
All I did, was accurately describe his incorrect overestimation of what he needs. He fucking feels dizzy not doing anything if he doesn't get all that flesh deep in him.
If he DID actually have a clear understanding of how HIS body worked, he wouldn't be looking like a pig, but would be fitter.
But then of course, most people like you, like to warp the idea of fitness to suit yourself and your ideas, rather than admitting fault.
"I am the best in the world at doing X activity, because nobody else does it, so I am the champion and the authority and everyone else is wrong. Oh look, we have a competition where people numbering from hundreds to thousands, and not 7 BILLION, let's pull titles out of our steroid filled asses, like "world's strongest man", because logic. Good job sucking the fuck out of this ideology tho :D.
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J.M. Lindner When you write "You're" instead of "your", it does show that you put in conscious effort to type 2 extra keys, thinking that it was the right one.
Worse yet, when someone else remarks at your mistake, you AGAIN, always start by getting butthurt and lashing back, in some effort to undermine or completely disregard the statement.
When just admitting your fault (even silently), would save you the bother of ever typing the wrong your/you're again, but again, your shadow of an ego, pops up and makes you feel like you have some authority to reject truth, simply because it does not consonate with what you think of yourself. Why? Because you live life thinking that whatever you think is justified, and you prefer to reject an idea than to accept being wrong.
Just admitting fault can save you so much effort. But again, to fix the dissonance, you would rather wage war about it than admit and stop making the mistake.
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J.M. Lindner I think someone who deliberately continues pretending like they're right, despite being destroyed in all departments, factual or otherwise.
Yes, your lack of ability to "pay attention" to anything, seems to be your major cause of your denial, and desperate evasion of reality. When someone mentions a mistake of yours, you can either accept fault, or waste energy defending something that isn't even there in the first place.
I am not projecting my ego. I merely stated a factual truth of him being terrible at calorie management, let alone all the dirty shit he consumes on the way. Of which there is clear evidence, by the distribution of fat in his body, and fat's just one of the problems.
No glass houses here.. I do wish my room had one more window tho, helps make a good oath for air drafts.
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Al Simons No, not necessarily. Think of this guy as a Hummer. Huge, strong, and had made itself dependent on huge amounts of energy to function, But 20,000 is not the number.
The more energy his body gets, the LESS efficient his body will need. Because there is Morbid amounts of energy being supplied constantly.
Here's another, clearer example:
US military.
They get a lot of funds,to do their things, right?
So they spend it, here and there, throughout the year, building things, training people etc.
Say, it gets around 50 Billion in funding. But only ends up spending, say, 30 billion out of that.
At the end of the year, they say "50 billion well spent, we were stretched thing, but we managed, it is the exact amount we need to work.
Now, someone else might be sceptical about the figures, how is it even possible to spend 50 billion when the OUTPUT is NOT tallying up.
And then, some "patriot" comes, and tells them, "Hey, you need to shut the fuck up you bigot anti-american guy, you don't know what they're doing, they're protecting us from the islamists, bla bla bla, fallacy of appealing to authority, blabla bla".
So, this is the situation with Robert, and all the "calorie patriots" here.
Remember Ends do not justify the means. And Co-relation does not IMPLY causation.
Like if I ate 50 newborn chicks everyday, and then grow to be 8 feet tall, I can just attribute it to my growth, so I can justify eating a stupid amount of baby chicks, and nobody can say anything, since they haven't done the "exact same things as me", which according to most people here, is the only way you can judge someone else's actions, lol..
Yes, he got something, and lost something. Well, he isn't a "smartman" after all, so I shouldn't even have taken his "conviction of 20000" seriously, and just ignored it, but you see all these other kids and their butthurtly dumb comments? Hilarious.
Here is something to weigh it around: There will be Dozens if not hundreds of HUGE and MASSIVE strongmen, who actually won a GOLD, and in multiple occasions(unlike our 20000 calorie god), and DID NOT need 20000 calories to do it, let alone the training leading up to it. Does this not show that he DOES NOT NEED it? He might WANT IT, but he Literally, Does Not Need it. He might say he does, but that does nothing to change reality otherwise.
Oberst might be something special probably, thaa chosen golden child. We'll just have to wait and watch ;). Or not wait, just watch randomly if the thought returns 20 years later. :D
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Typical wannabe edgy Alt/ Rightard who lacked ideals, positive father/mother-figures or moral examples in his life -> "Hey, the adults in that country practice a primitive religion of oppression and ignorance, let me feel existentially valid by making a statement on how the children of that country deserve to starve to death, because the adults in that country (who also were once children, with the same ideals forced on them) are going to force their ideals on the children, so they deserve to starve and die, slowly."
Wow, kiddo, slow down there, seems like you already reached the apex of existential realization and your place in the world. (or have you just regressed to your edgy cave like most apes of this specie, a safe little corner where you are safe from inconvenient facts?)
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Ben Baker What? Where did I make a generalisation? Seriously.
I merely pointed out what op said. Also, yes in the case of a person simply making a statement about the primary surface of said action, and giving no context as to how it holds any truth, the generalisation becomes invalid/discredited.
How is it "women's desire"? Are you telling me WOMEN STARTED IT, and went around looking for MEN, to make them feel financially dominated and in turn, receive money? How many did they go through before finding the "right men" online?
Or
Is it the MEN, who're the ones who WANTED to be financially dominated and actively sought out women/(men?) to accommodate their desire, by asking 'mistresses'/etc, to treat them in a way particular to what they want, which they then express to the women/(men?), and pay Willingly upon receiving said treatment?
It'd be funny if you think the first scenario is the case. Which it isn't, and that is the reason why I said what I did, lelel.
Also, you don't have to defend yourself, etc,etc. I've typed about 9 times more than I would have liked to, already.
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Pain? I don't remember what that was like, it's been years( I do however, suffer empathy), the smoke is too dense, this is a nice state to be in. You can do anything when high, give exams, go for interviews, go on stage, anything... Except.. NOT BE HIGH!!! High in dreams, high awake, higher and higher, with each toke we take, BLAAZE ITTTTT FEGITTTSSSS!!!!!
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CoalOres So afraid to mention my name, you can't even address me in first person anymore lel (you might try doing it now to save face).... The thing about ignorant fucks like you, is that you know so little, even about yourself, that it actually makes you confident in your ignorance, because you don't even have a fucking clue about your ignorance on the topic, *While spending time on the fucking internet, looking only to fulfill your confirmation bias.
"I heard scientists on the radio, I'm going to reject peer reviewed journals and research on the basis of that, because I am an idiot, and I will only ever get so far after being ignorant for such a long time, literally, the entirety of it."- You.
"My last words"- The guy who posts more afterwards. rofl
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allcatsaregrey oh lawd. It is called coincidence. Evolution did not do this, otherwise Every human would be Michael Faraday, Nikola Tesla, Issac Newton, etc(who again exist due to completely random events which led to their existence). That is besides the point.
If you are saying " we evolved to do everything we can do and have done." Then drop the laws, because whatever I wanna do, nobody should stop me, because I 'evolved' to do it. Let me murder rape and rob, because I am simply made this way and am just 'following what i was made to do', lel. Ohhh.
I am a realist, I state what i perceive, and I knew there would be people who just build ideas out of nothing and find others to support the same ideas, then throwing the same Bullshit ideas which work in their normal environment and thinking pattern, and then throw unfounded bullcrap around. I am not a 'vege-militant', It just hits people and bugs their ideas and perhaps conscience(or whatever warped form it has taken) when I tell them that they are a part of Literally, Unnecessary killing, of beings that think, solve problems, have communities, who invent things too, have a nervous system, but oh i guess we are superior because that's the Hip thing to believe, and we can do what we want, because "Evolution".
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allcatsaregrey Yes, i know what you are trying to get through, but it's just not sensible enough to accept.
You don't realise that what a bunch of primates think about a hat Does not Change Its reality, Merely the PERCEIVED TRUTH is changed and ONLY for the Primates who think like that. It's all arbitrary.( you are actually using Fashion, which changes every week, to describe this, lelelele)
How stupid, how utterly stupid is it that you would connect the discovery and application of Electric charge to our EVOLUTION, lol. Along with all the other crap like religion,etc.
Lol, the Tinkerbell effect again? Which defines itself as a state where "*things that are thought to exist only because people believe in them*". LOL. So, by definition, if mankind stops existing, Everything else stops existing too? Nice theory, bro.
You do understand that there are 7+ billion people on this planet and EACH with their own definition of"truth" about the world, and to each person, everything's value is different. So, by the definition of "The Tinkerbell effect" Everything Does Exist, but not only that, It has 7 billion True States of being, Lewl.
I actually doubt you even studied proper philosophy, like those of Neitzche, Baruch or Schoppenhauer, instead, you seem to be running off into Crowely or some materialist philosopher who just bolster your ideas
What a pathetic wishful "Idea", this "Tinker bell" effect, lol. Wow, holy sheed, i'm laughing from my chair, thinking what goes on in this person's mind, lewl.
You : "Boiling point of water is 99.61°C. Everyone starts believing that it is 50°C. BOOM, Water boils at half the Temperature now, Tinkerbell effect FTW! lel.
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yonkersfugitive Here we go :
1 : Lions eat other lions too, and so do spiders and mormon crickets, etc,etc. (you can just google it). Not just chimpanzees.
You give no argument and still call my cannibal statement as wrong, lewl.
2:No, i am not a Non-meat-eater So i can "Feel superior" to "others". I am so by choice, because i do not want any part of the murder when i can easily avoid it and be perfectly healthy(and no, you don;t take a life to save a life, you do it because you're addicted to it and too desensitised) that you so gladly promote, it doesn't stop being murder just because a bunch of people get together and say it doesn't. Wouldn't that be Nazism-type-thought?
The way you set humans apart is the same way how the Nazis put the Jews apart, and so did the First settlers, to the Real, Native americans, and so did the Spanish to the Aztecs.
Only difference being that the animals you eat look a little more different, it's still segregation and genocide, and doesn't need majority approval to be so, lul. It's just perspective.
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***** But nobody here wants to hear stuff like this, because for them everything not human is to eat and everything not human is stupid.
The only possible alternate of meat can be the stem cell-y researches going on now, to grow meat from cells.
The - at least treat an animal well before killing it- Might seem like it's ethical, but put yourself in the place of the pig. You are born to a mother who's just a baby making and feeding machine, your brothers are often at infancy, and you live your whole life under a steel roof and one day when you move, it's to the butchering room. Boom. That's your whole existence, and then if you could speak, before being killed, would you say, that it's fine? :|
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Brittney Hernandez How are you so blind? You don't notice, that the animals you have eaten, DID NOT live a good life, they SUFFERED all their life until they got brutally murdered. Did I have to tell you that? I guess I did, Lol!
Apparently, Enslaving entire masses of several different species for "thousands of years" and then Making sure everyone is abused and beaten, killed and eaten, by the same people who "stand up"(figuratively) for "suffering exotic animals", LOL
You know WHY they are "exotic" because the same fucks Killed everyone before them, they died to the same people who now pretend to care, sad, sad world.
That's some messed up shit.
I don't know if you're being idiotic or you are just genuinely delusional about your biased nature, and now since I have told you about where you stand, you either still call yourself "right" and perpetuate this delusional self-comforting belief, or you can accept that what you did was wrong and stop right now (But you probably won't because you've gotten to used to it, and you know what they say about Humans and Habits ? :3 You decide.
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Emile H.G It's truly sad, that words have too little effect as text, worse yet, the person reading is in full control of how they perceive the whole case, because there's noboy physically there who can verbally oppose them,
How self-centred can they get? (Worse yet, they think they're not selfish and are not causing perpetuated slaughter).
They obviously have made a conscious choice, they couldn't have eaten them for years, and never once thinking about who that animal might have been, and what he/she might have thought about and how it was at the time of death, lol. I Still don't understand how a human brain is capable of fooling itself so Perfectly.
How messed up can human morality get if this is not the bottom? It's sad, really, Most of the planet is filled with people who care about nothing more than other lumps of flesh who look more similar to them. :\
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Why do you folks post shit here, before doing even the most basic study on the topic. Just because your mom and dad and your friends told you it's ok to eat meat, doesn't change shit. They are idiots too if they think like that, because they're people, and most people are more stupid than the other but end up feeling smarter, because they're surrounded by other people of less than average intelligence, and never even bother to find where they stand, because it's easier to pretend you're a Morally Just and a Genius, than it is to actually be one.
Before making a reply to me, please, just educate yourself, and go through some actual information.
Lower the standard of what a good human is, and everyone is a good human, clever.
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therearetoomanyhuman Yeah man, they're delusional as fuck and wilfully ignorant. Iv'e never had meat ever in my whole 22 years, and Iv'e never needed it either.
They will ultimately pay the price, of living a life of lying to themselves everyday, and dying ignorant deaths which could be avoided simply by accepting the evidence, but all they do, is leave behind a mountain of dead sentient beings in their little time here, that's all they achieve in their little existence, how petty, funny, and sad too :|.
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Mustafa Shams People who can't respect other animals, they and their "respect", really don't count for much, as I said, since they are so prideful, that they'd rather get offended, than admit being wrong.
I guess ultimately that's what it's all about. You just can't bear admitting how wrong you are, so you try and sneak your way into it, by saying something like "oh yeah, I guess it's healthier, I should try not eating meat". When the obvious response is "Yes, I admit to having killed and eaten all those animals in my life, simply for personal enjoyment because I couldn't care less about them, otherwise I wouldn't have treated them like lifeless piece of food."
Again, I am not taking manner lessons from a genocidal, slavery condoning ape, *who's not even capable of admitting being wrong like a decent human being, but hides behind "oh you're offensive" or "oh you keep disrespecting people". Lol As I said, such a simple mind, and such base existence.
The manifestation of a plague upon life on this planet, your herd.
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I.Q. NOTORIOUS But it is literally said "If you don't cover yourself, you can't blame the men for raping you." You can keep cherry picking, mate.
But what will happen to you in your deathbed, will you still think that allah is real? Or will your whole existence be wasted on someone's imagination, and excuse to kill millions, just because you wanted to be more than just an animal, and wanted some greater meaning to life.
I think you need a taste of your own medicine.
"Men are tempted [in this life] by the lure of women...far better is the return of God. Say: 'Shall I tell you of better things than these, with which the righteous shall be rewarded by their Lord? Theirs shall be gardens watered by running streams, where they shall dwell for ever: wives of perfect chastity..." (Surah 3:14, 15) < patriarchal bullshit religion. I feel bad for half of the believers, the women, who'll spend their lives as subjugated, stockholm syndrome suffering souls, by their own blood.
another one:
"Forbidden to you are...married women, except those you own as slaves." (Surah 4:20-, 24-) "you can't fuck other bitches, unless you make them into your slaves, then you can fuck all the bitches.
*The Quran in Sura 4:11 says:
The share of the male shall be twice that of a female * Nice, another male superiority bullshit.
*The Quran in Sura 4:24 says:
And forbidden to you are wedded wives of other people except those who have fallen in your hands [as prisoners of war.*
Lol, Please, do explain ALL of these to me, and then I will post a few dozen more, and IT HAS TO BE TRUE, because it is in the QURAN!!!! Because that's the same fucking excuse you use. And it works just as well if anyone else uses it.
You just think big shit in your head, and think that you have proof of god's existence, but all you have, it a bunch of self-important stories to make yourself above the others around you (even if only inside your head), but when you come OUTSIDE your muslim community, you have NOTHING to defend it, because you're not talking to a bunch of credulous base people.
BTW, come back here, when you realise how wrong you were, in however many years that happens, and realise that you could have saved yourself all that trouble, if you just acknowledged how wrong your people are. Then you wouldn't be wasting your only chance at existing, on stupid stories a pedophile heard in a cave.
" Catholic priests raping up boys, thats not Christianity. It is FORBIDDEN for Muslims to have sex outside marriage therefore rape is FORBIDDEN.""" > Ok, I guess that's why mohammad married a 9 year old girl and then fucked her a few years later. but THAT is not Pedophillia, oh right, he was Married to her, so how is that pedophilia? LOGIC LOLOLOL
Your PERFECT prophet, couldn't even Keep ONE WIFE, he was so horny, that he'd marry 13 women and young girls (or more), you need to really take a second look at your religion. You've been blindly sucking on it for so long, you don't realise how disgusting it really is.
No wonder all those rapes are happening, the men are copying mohammad's behaviour most probably, lol.
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TheGiantKiller8 Lol, keep looking for things to make yourself feel like you made a successful ad hominem.
Here: let me give you some common sense.
:Bangladesh is 86% Muslim.
:The men who raped there, are Muslim.
:The two men who blamed the victim, where the "top guy" in the mosque and the Police.
:Allah says to not rape(unless you have slaves or your soldiers take the women of the men they defeat) This is From the quran >>>>>>>>>>>>
*"Abu Said al-Khudri said: "The apostle of Allah sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of the apostle of Allah were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Quranic verse, "And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess". That is to say, they are lawful for them when they complete their waiting period." [The Quran verse is 4:24]
Abu Dawud 2:2150* <<<<<<<<<
And this *"Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess. Thus has Allah ordained for you. All others are lawful, provided you seek them from your property, desiring chastity, not fornication. So with those among them whom you have enjoyed, give them their required due, but if you agree mutually after the requirement (has been determined), there is no sin on you. Surely, Allah is Ever All-Knowing, All-Wise.
Qur'an 4:24"*
:The Men in Bangladesh still rape the women.
:Your "allah" is so powerless, that he can't even stop One MUSLIM(or a gang of 6), from RAPING ANOTHER MUSLIM WOMAN.
: People still rape despite being Muslim.
CONCLUSION: Your religion is bullshit, your god doesn't exist, your book is made by people who love marrying and fucking little girls and raping women, And it is completely Useless when it comes to even stop a man from raping someone, EVEN OF THEIR OWN FUCKING RELIGION, THE SAME GOD, LOL.*
Keep on believing in it, I don't give a shit. Your existence is getting wasted, and you will only get one chance at it. So yeah, waste your time hitting your head on the floor pretending that there's someone in the sky who loves you and you are special.
You will Die a life of SELF-TOLD LIES, only because YOU wanted to believe them, NOT because they are real. I guess that's fair price.
by the way, ONLY 22% of the world is Muslim, so NEVER think that 'you are right' simply out of all the people surrounding you. Or do it, lol. I don't care, Don't have time for all petty, self-important apes.
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Marc Dice And the only social problems it successfully eliminates, are the problems related to its establishment, which were mostly just innocent pagan villagers, or any other human, like literally eliminate, like chop the heads off eliminate :O.
And these people don't even realise, that If they go back enough in their family tree, they will quickly find someone who was either killed by the same islamic conquest(Based on the religion they believe in), or gullied into believing the religion, or threatened with death, like christianity, lol.
Maybe curing humanity of this disease, might just be something worthwhile to do :D.
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TheGiantKiller8 Stay delusional, stay happy. You believe it because you want to, and believing in it, gives you the relief you seek form it, it offers nothing in the real world, religion does NOTHING that a person could not do without it.
Now, remember that ALL the insults I use on you in this comment and the ones before, are NOT because I want to insult you or that I don't like you, It's SIMPLY because of how stupid you are, and how incapable of criticizing your own religion you are, because you are afraid of some imaginary man in the sky. And that makes you stupid, which is the reason for the cussing.
" It doesn't promote taking slaves it promotes freeing slaves, it was major part of life in those times ." LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLLL???
"Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess. Thus has Allah ordained for you. All others are lawful, provided you seek them from your property, desiring chastity, not fornication. So with those among them whom you have enjoyed, give them their required due, but if you agree mutually after the requirement (has been determined), there is no sin on you. Surely, Allah is Ever All-Knowing, All-Wise.
Qur'an 4;24"
> IT'S LITERALLY TAKEN FROM THE QURAN, AND SAYS ALLAH MADE THOSE SLAVES FOR YOU TO FUCK. YOU'RE IN SO MUCH DENIAL, Lol. IF YOU BELIEVE IN ALLAH SO MUCH, GO, TAKE A SLAVE AND RAPE THEM, NOTHING WRONG WITH IT ACCORDING TO YOUR IMAGINARY FRIEND. IF not, then you are a coward, and not a real muslim, and not a real follower of the quran. ^-^ You people are depraved. The only thing you have, is a book which you copy shit from, because you're incapable of understanding morals and then applying them to your life. So you just copied the first shit thrown at you, which luckily happened to be quran. That's how SIMPLE YOUR LIFE IS. Such base existence.
BUT, religion does a great job at gathering rapists(bangladeshi muslims), Murderers(Middle east), Misogynists(stoning women to death and not the men) and paedophiles(mohammad and all the other people after him who married little babies and then raped them) and then giving them justification to do the things they do. AND MAKE THEM "holy", lol.
Again, Keep your delusions, I am not the one who will die a delusional death, and have wasted their entire life, believing in shit made up by some dumbass 1400 years ago. You are incapable of accepting change in your current state, so I'm just gonna stop here, and let you think what you want. Billions of people have already thrown their lives into this trash, a few more won't make much difference.
If you REALLY FOLLOWED THE QURAN, WORD BY WORD, YOU WOULD BE LIVING IN FUCKING SYRIA AMONG ISIS, AWAY FROM ALL THE PAGAN AND THE WESTERN INFLUENCE(including the computer the phone the electricity), YOU FUCKING IGNORANT PRICK, WITH YOUR CHERRY PICKING DOUBLE STANDARDS, Lol.
Cya, I REALLY HOPE THAT ALLAH IS THE ONE WHO EXISTS, LOL. OR YOU AND YOUR ENTIRE FAMILY AND GENERATIONS BEFORE THEM, WILL ALL HAVE BEEN WRONG, AND ALL BECAUSE THEY WANTED TO PRETEND LIKE THEY HAD THE ANSWERS TO THIS WORLD, AND TO FEEL SPECIAL, without actually making any real attempts. Just hitting their floor on the ground, feeling like it means jack shit.
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StriverOfIslam88 Lol, you haven't been keeping up with the middle east, now have you? LOLOLOL. Ever Single Jihadist, IS MUSLIM, ever single ISIS soldier, IS MUSLIM, and, sadly, a TRUER MUSLIM, TRUER TO THE QURAN.
I am not saying that ISLAM makes people Rape others of even their own religion, but it sure as fuck does nothing to stop them. Hahaha, "all powerful god, can't even stop some people from raping his own religion's women". But this 'god' doesn't exist, neither do any of the other tens of thousands who other people believe in. REMEMBER THIS, YOU ARE NOT THE MAJORITY. MOST OF THIS WORLD HAS NO CLUE OF ISLAM. People are STILL stoned to death, by MUSLIMS. *This doesn't mean that Every single muslim stones people to death, but it sure as fuck Means that ISLAM LITERALLY TELLS YOU TO STONE PEOPLE, and a lot of them ONLY DO IT BECAUSE IT'S WRITTEN IN THE QURAN.
WHERE ELSE DO YOU FUCKING THINK THAT THEY GOT THIS IDEA? LOL!!!! Talk about wilful delusion overdose.
YOU CAN JUST PRETEND IT'S REAL, BECAUSE YOU SURROUND YOURSELF WITH IT, AND CONVINCE YOURSELF, THAT IT MUST BE REAL. SOMETHING IS NOT REAL, IF YOU HAVE TO TRY SO HARD TO BELIEVE IN IT, Lol. <3. *Good luck with whatever you have left of your being, since you whored the rest out for fantasies of the afterlife and the delusion of knowing.*
Bruh, that offensive butthurt. I guess you're just doing what you have been trained to do, lel. Can't help someone who's clueless about their condition, and not even ready to acknowledge it.
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It's actually pathetic, to be "Proud" of and finding "Identity" in SOMETHING YOU WERE BORN WITH AND HAD NO FUCKING EFFORT INTO BECOMING! Holy Fuck!! What is it with this specie, latching on to the most asinine of concept, and being fucking blind to observable reality. The idea is to make you EQUAL, not to make it something to feel SPECIAL ABOUT. Fuck. The idea is to not have non cis genders(i think this is correct terminology) be oppressed in various aspects of life. Go and understand true worth of all life, instead of simply spend your days basking in the majesty of how gay or not gay, or confused you are, and how proud you are to be so, like you had to climb a fucking mountain to achieve your sexuality.
I know it is difficult at times. But believe me, even the oppressed oppress other lives blindly, so don't assume like I "Owe" someone certain respect, when this "human" conversation only spans within the human bubble of existence. pop.
edit: Am I the 420'th comment? sweg
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SmelliestElm You people's "Caring" about "what I believe I am", I really couldn't be made to care.
In "Actual", the drooling murderer, is you, not me. I NEVER said I was a good person. But I sure as fuck Am not down in the bottom of the pit with you, that's why your shit makes so much sense to you, it's what gives substance to your deluded existence. Sad.
"Get a jerrrrbbbb" hilarious.
"Calling people names for no reason"? That's like A Nazi getting sad at someone calling him a jew killer, lol.
I said it for what it is, that is all; You, eating animals after torturing them their entire lives, when you could've made it better off eating something without a face. Everything else, is just gibberish pseudo rhetoric.
Shoo now.
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Team Gamerfood Nothing that you're capable of apparently understanding. It's not like we're having a verbal conversation, the words are there for you to interpret, it's not a failure from my side. Perhaps I can't blame ya, just born in the wrong place I guess, seeing how helpless humans generally are to what they become, so they have to defend it because it's all that feels of substance. If you were a bit different biologically, you might have been a different person, but I guess your traits tend to make you more societally conformative, down to what is perceived as right and wrong. I guess you're just trying to feel relevant and exist. When you do that calculation of right and wrong, tho, NOTHING OUTSIDE THE HUMAN SPECIE COUNTS, NO FACTUAL REASON, IT JUST DOESN'T. Everything is somehow an exception when applied to this genus of the Hominidae family, Homo Genus, your whole existence is Pretense, maybe think about that a bit, if nothing else. No matter how much you're convinced, nothing in reality changes, and the falsehood dies with you, and the Lies will be there long after, lul.
No biggie, tho, might be a lot to digest in the form of a youtube comment from some random moral highorse smug veggie bitch, so you can just look the other side as you have so many times before. :3.
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Brett Smith Brett, Honey, sweetie, you can't be further from the truth. This is what happened: 7 billion animals(us) stole a fuck tone of land and cut a ton of it up to wastelands, then drove the populations of animals to those tiny zones, and NOW you wanna say "They are overrun with deer". Pathetic, and sadly, this opinion is quite abundant, lol.
Ohohoh, So some blind dude who gets off to someone aiming the gun for him and telling him "yeah he's gonna hit", just so he can feel less like shit. Yeah, sure, you folks are "More of a man" than me, for killing unwary little birds ,HAHAHA, One does not simply give a fuck about unsubstantiated crap thinking idiots.
So delusional and indoctrinated, that YOU ACTUALLY MISS THE WHOLE POINT LOL. Wait, what was the point... hmmm.. Oh yeah, I think it was something like " The Animal had no reason to die" or something like that.
Once again, some animal who's been taught all its life, to think like it is above everything else, wouldn't surprise me if you always miss the point.... Like this fucker misses the shot(Unless someone aims for him so he can feel like a hunter and beat off to it.).
What's brave about hiding behind a tree and shooting a deer? Wow, must be a bunch of typical "Absorbents of ancestral bullshit", who just copy other monkeys without actually thinking about their actions with whatever's left of their brains after shrinking under all the crap.
I'd rather be a "pussy fagget" than be some fuck who goes around killing animals and thinks, "I am a fucking man, fuck yeah murrikah"/
lel. O man, this is gonna piss ya off.
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Efrim Begotten Claim made: "Humans are moral agents." Implication: ISIS is a moral militia, Paedophiles are Moral agents, Mass murderers are Moral agents all the way, why? Because Efrim once said humans are moral agents.
Only a total nitwit will fail to see that people in today's society, in mass, IMITATE MORAL NORMS, Rather than individually build their moral values through perception and skeptical thinking. Proof? People of Particular groups, from countries, to religious collections, have people who have similar moral belief and THE SAME JUSTIFICATIONS.
If this doesn't enlighten you to how much you've warped your senses(mental,too) in the way how the world is interpreted for "you", to suit your pre-assumed idea of yourself and your specie, and your place in existence, maybe better luck in another universe, lel.
But hey, or you could just ignore this one too, like all the others, and keep playing the same record again.
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Ivo3963 Would you be ok with someone just killing you, simply because you wouldn't know about it, and it would be 'over soon'.
It's a delusional idea to think that the animals are treated well, WHICH IS BESIDES THE POINT, because
THEY SHOULDN'T BE THERE IN THE FIRST PLACE!
(this isn't exactly what happens in factories, but to make you more comfortable) ::
Would you be OK living in a place, where they took care of you for a few months, and fed you lots of food, etc, but you couldn't do anything you wanted.
One day, they take you to a room, take you by the legs, hang you, and cut your throat open.(yes, this is how it's done). Well, you might not exactly be "dead". It's not necessary that you will die instantly, sometimes the spine-connection manages to stick around, and you Feel every time the butcher tries to sever your head, you feel each strike.
That's just something that WILL have happened to an ""Animal"". Have you ever tried to empathise with them? Have you ever heard their screams?
.... If you think that we "HAVE" to eat meat, then go ahead, i can't change that, because you have already justified it by taking comfort in your environment.
Guess i am not a human then, since i have no desire to partake in this perpetual massacre and have no need of it because 22 years is enough to know that not eating meat WILL NOT KILL YOU, lol..
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Bob Dillian You are supporting the US spending Billions of Tax Payer Dollars, for a "war" that might come to US territory, maybe in 20 years, maybe in 2 years, maybe never in the remaining future of the country, While people die from improper healthcare, crazy gun laws, and just overall in-house madness.
As i said, It's not just the weapons that kill people, there will be hundreds of thousands of people who die from this, and then tobacco and alcohol related deaths(which of course run thanks to the state laws, which would be more americans dead at home, than abroad. (But maybe it's the noise of the weapons that people seem to fear more.
Overall, this is what I am saying : Reduce defence budget, as to fix the Problems At hand, seriously, are you telling me you don't have enough weapons?
But you must know how people who make huge amounts of money are related to the war business, and they sure don't want no defence cuts happening, because war is their business.
And i ain't even from america.
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@camgalloway691 I get what you're saying, but what I did, wasn't to throw everything he ever said out the window, because he simply has said too much to cover (people who go to his older videos will realize, he's been around for way longer) even before his entire rise to public relevance after misinterpreting bill c-16. The issue is there's too much garbage he utters, I don't know what the first instance was, but I know it's not over yet.
The man is selling the bust of his own face while attacking trans/gay people, saying "don't you know, pride is a sin in the Bible".
He went into a communism debate with Slavoj Zijek, while having studied only one page, the communist manifesto, and then winged the entire conversation.
He told Matt Dillahunty "It's not possible to quit SMOKING without a spiritual/religious experience"
The other issue, is with him knowingly angling himself and what he says, to appeal to a certain demographic. He (mostly) knows what is to be said, to tickle which ears.
Anyway, this commenting is already taking up a lot of time, so I'll end it here. I kind of joked earlier, when I it's up to people to choose what they believe, when how I see it, people have no free will, shown from the fact how easily it can be influenced without the individual having a clue.
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@lewiscattell6060 The rob and izzy match is probably gonna happen regardless, long as he's champ.
This whole "trilogy" idea is irrelevant to the actual game. It's a concept of threes, like a 'best of three' or some arbitrary thing, which people are stitching onto the fight game.
I'm of course not saying immediate rematch, I'm saying, if Volk doesn't deteriorate, and wants to hang around the belt, Max will just turn up again.
Obviously, if Max becomes #1 contender again convincingly, UFC can't just say 'oh Max, guess you had 3 fights with Volk already, so you can't have another one, we'll give it to the #2 cont. based on that perfect logic'.
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@harman5453 From what I've seen in the years I've follower Jordan, he certainly seemed to want Fame.
His "opposition" of Bill C-16 was a red herring. He made a boogeyman out of it and mislead people in regards to what it actually was. Before that, he was a provocateur on the occasional news shows he would join the panels of.
A little over a year after his launch into the spotlight, he launched his " lazily written self-help" book, 12 rules for life An "antidote to chaos". While suffering from chaos in a multitude of ways in his own life. And still claiming that the book works.
He debated Slavoj Zizek on Marx's philosophy, and communism, while having done no research. He debated Sam Harris multiple times while having done no research . He made absurd claims such as "western civilization is only possible due to Judeo Christian beliefs/stories.
Total absurdity.
Not once in his life he dared to try look reality in the face. His whole schtick was "If it helps you in life, doesn't matter if it's factually true. It's true for you."
And that led him to where he is today. A famous, mostly(strangely) loved and praised public figure, a multimillionaire, while being totally decimated in his mind and body.
Stories can only take you so far. And over reliance on them, is no less harmful than being an unhygenic crack addict.
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The comment section will today give you a clear idea of What bullshit pathetic nonsense Verbal Diarrhea This "Modern Civilisation's" people fill their head with in order to pretend like they have a grasp on reality, lol.
Fucking clubs and their fads. But I'm sure it's all the ethical vegans and vegetarians, who're Committing actions which are destroying the planet. Yeah, Again, you're all just a pathetic bandwagon, where you've been on for so long *that the only thing which makes any sense at all to you, is the same shit you've been screaming into each other's ears while on the aforementioned bandwagon, Even a screaming animal makes no sense to you, you're even deafened to a point where no other frequency of perspective can reach your brain.
But hey, in the end you'll be the one who lied to yourselves, and everyone "you loved(yeah right)", your actions will be ALWAYS there for the future generations to watch in SupermegaHD!! Failing to live honestly, even with your own "self", you have my pity points.
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atreyu119 Sheesh, guess you really want the D.
Premise: You humans, and the animals you humans eat, both possess the ability to experience reality subjectively, Which exists because of the Brain, and the central nervous system. WHICH IS SHARED. The Traits that Species share, are in almost all cases, traits that develop at a stage where the trait sharing species were one. The times where this is Not The case, like bats evolving wings after separating from aves(birds), the traits STILL PERFORM THE SAME FUNCTION. Plants, all plants, and any other form of life, is DEVOID OF THIS TRAIT OF SENTIENCE. Sentience is the PREMISES OF MORAL CONSIDERATION. NON-SENTIENT things do not. The only difference, is the presence of an organ which Functions to provide the organism with sentience.
Conclusion: If you eat a cow, pig, horse, dog, etc, using whatever excuse you do, you should have no problem eating humans, dolphins, etc. Because in the end, The cow will suffer, as will the dog, the human, just like anything with a Functioning Brain, no two humans suffer the same, so the excuse of it being different is worthless. This is Scientific FACT. People's Personal opinion or cultural preference can go eat shit and die. Such people reek of self preserving hypocrisy and double standards.
This is also scientific fact.
Therefore, Not necessarily go vegan, but just Stop being a disease upon the system of life which all are just a part of. Milk can be retrieved without making the cow suffer, or wool, from a goat for example.
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atreyu119 Lol, I don't think we can have this argument over the internet, you can just get away with statements like "incorrect premise- a lot of animals have only a simple CNS which basically act like wires that send signals)" TOO OFTEN. - this is your assumption. You are also just 'sending signals' around your body, lol. That equates you as worthy of being eaten, as well.
You use simple organisms, and name NOT A SINGLE ONE, And still make a blatant claim on your favor, sheeshhhh.
Even cockroaches show observable efforts to avoid harm and negative environments in general. You fail to realise that SENTIENCE began with the primitive brain, and NOT with your ape brain. K. Digest that. Go fact check yourself once in a while.
Childish thoughts can do harm to adults, you know.
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"and since plants are not sentient (premise)"--- Wrong. This is not a premise. It is scientific fact. Not a single plant possesses sentience, as the primordial brain originated AFTER SPLITTING OFF WITH THE PLANTS.
Also, don't use my caps or insulting terms towards you as excuses to overlook facts. It does you harm, and not me. You are the one who risks continuing a stupider way of thinking and behaving and the future will laugh at you for that. The future is gonna be a longgggg time, too.
I'll continue your final paragraph in the next one.
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atreyu119 "Why are you making an argument for not eating meat altogether when it's the industry that's the problem? Like I said before, what do you think about hunting? It not only provides a good source of protein, but it is also heavily regulated and actually helps to maintain the population of certain species. It's a win/win situation.
Also, feel free to critique my argument, as I'm sure it's not perfect."
_ The argument isn't perfect, not just that, it is flawed entirely, and is full of double standards. Beans, tofu, soy, almonds, etc, provide more protein than 'hunting for protein'.
They are also void of murder. Here's a question for you. If I go into New York Times Square, and 'Hunted' some humans with my humane bow for my winter meat, because they are most like me and will have the MOST NUTRIENTS THAT I NEED, literally, it is ANY DIFFERENT than hunting a rabbit or Moose? If so, Why? There's one for you.
Next- You reduce other animals to protein and whatnot. You fail to realise that there are certain humans who are born LESS SENTIENT THAN the Animals YOU EAT. Would you be more comfortable with slaughtering and eating them? You'd actually be saving them from their miserable lives by proxy as well. :D
You need to try and refute this statement - There is no difference between killing a pig for meat, or killing a human. - Once you go through all the factual potentials of a good reason to continue, then please, do as you please. You live in a world where your behavior will be overlooked and nobody will bother changing it for you, so be wary, lel.
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atreyu119 "Do you feel empathy when you step on a cockroach? I'm sorry if it seems cold hearted to you but I don't. (That doesn't mean I go around stepping on cockroaches for fun, let's get that clear)." -- Few things here-
1- You are Using extreme and absurd examples, such as trampling a cockroach out of no conscious choice of my own while I walk through somewhere. Using THIS to equate it with YOU knowingly paying for the rape, torture, slaughter, life enslavement of Thousands of sentient beings over your sad life, all for PERSONAL FULFILLMENT. You don't do it to survive, you do it because you enjoy it and because your herd enjoys it. It makes you feel whatever you are so desperate for. Simple. I don't trample cockroaches to eat them for personal enjoyment. It gets trampled by MISTAKE. YOU GET IT, IT'S A FUCKING ACCIDENT LOL, Unlike your ACTIVE CHOICE TO PARTICIPATE IN RAPE, MURDER, SLAVERY, etc LOLOLO. (Also, don't be a bigger idiot by using my CAPS LOCK as a strawman excuse to overlook all the intellectual smashing you're receiving. It's good for you if you improve your mentality.)
2- "My empathy for an animal is directly related to it's level of intelligence." - Really full of yourself, yes.
"I will determine that the main trait of my specie is the trait for considering the life of ALL sentient species, out of no scientific basis or moral argument. I will just assume it because it helps me overlook all the murder and rape that I am a part of, so it's better I continue like this avoiding shame and die pretending."
3- You're another fucking idiot, like most of your herd, and here's why- You don't realise that machines are also intelligent. Even more intelligent than YOU, in thousands of ways. Even more than a child in your family(or a really senile person), who isn't even smarter than an average pig, LOL. YOU EAT PIGS, who are Smarter than INFANT HUMAN BEINGS. Therefore, by your own twisted logic, YOU EAT SOMETHING SMARTER THAN A YOUNG HUMAN, and something that tastes eerily similar.
Go and contemplate your shit ridden life, you might have some time to make reparations and change your pitiful stone age mentality.
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Well, i can't blame any human for thinking of them selves as "more than other things". It's something people are Shown and told since their birth. Everything is for man, as some holy primitives said. which it is not. For me; there is no god, no soul, no afterlife, people aren't superior to ANYTHING. You are born an animal, like every other animal. The only difference is; you, with a human's mind, have a chance to become more than what you were meant to be; an animal who's only purpose is to reproduce and die.
I see people as animals. If i see someone who is attempting to break away from the " man was made superior" to "man can become superior to other men, by Transvaluation of all values set before them, by uneducated men, blind men, men who Created God and Soul, to Make themselves "superior" to everything else, So they could do whatever they wanted to, because they controlled god and the mind of the illiterate and lost.
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but then who is right? the Hindus, with hundreds of their gods, which aren't mentioned elsewhere, or the other books/religions which have total bullshit like " earth was made by someone 6000 years ago, and it's ok to enslave someone of different skin" etc. So yeah, i don't believe in god, because there is no evidence of the GREATEST POSSIBLE EXISTENCE IN THE UNIVERSE, SOMETHING THAT CREATED IT, NO EVIDENCE OF ITS EXISTENCE??? Oh, am i supposed to be like " He just doesn't wanna show himself". Even i enjoy stories of heaven and souls, But i would rather go blind than look from everyone else's eyes. Sure there can be an all powerful entity, But even he has no worth to me, for leaving this world as it is, and letting everyone gloom in perpetual delusion of it. (something like that) .
And i am not here to waste my time to sound badass to someone who i will probably never meet in this life.(or any other). You actually thought that i would waste time on that?
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evarand123 awesome Islam is not a race, races are a real thing. Islam is not. Also, I am not a racist. It's quite idiotic of you to spin the topic after running out of counter 'arguments', and straight to ad hominems.
Do you know how islam was spread? VIOLENCE.. err, MURDER. Someone in your family, if you look back enough, was forced to convert to the same islam you suck the teats of right now, I wonder who the hypocrite is, and who is the one who just picks convenient points of time to consider and to ignore all the other shit, no point even correcting people like you.
Very stupid analogy you have there. I never said muslims are murderers, lol. This also, doesn't automatically mean that ISLAM Is not a good tool for violence, when it is a GREAT TOOL FOR VIOLENCE. Just how all christians are not murderers, but many are, by indirectly supporting church policies, and it can also be used and HAS BEEN USED, and IS USED, JUST LIKE ISLAM, DO TO FUCKED UP SHIT. *You just beat yourself with your own john abdullah statement. What is with the names? Are all abdullahs christians and all johns not christians? I wonder who the stereotyping nut is. Islam fears education, what an irony, lol.
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evarand123 awesome Before hopping on the mindless rant defence mode, did you even bother opening the quran and going to the VERSE THAT I HAVE WRITTEN THERE AND DOUBLE CHECKED? *You little scared boy. Now there is evidence against YOUR OWN CLAIMS, IN THE VERY BOOK YOU MAKE THOSE CLAIMS FROM. What a joke.
If your 'allah' actually existed, do you think only a fraction of humans would believe in him (and all that too thanks to all the murdering and conquering the islamic empires did, which included murdering pagans and other believers), but I guess you, as uneducated even in your own religion you are, wouldn't have any clue of this either. You wouldn't be getting the shit beat out of you in this 'discussion', you wouldn't have such a hard time defending the "one who is all knowing and omni present", LOL. GO, ask him for some tips, maybe the voices might turn out helpful.
If you can't teach them something, turn the stupid things they believe, it into a sign of bigger stupidity, and then maybe, just maybe, they might just stop, lol.
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evarand123 awesome Now the "It's a test" escape, huh. You clearly have no idea, as a typical religious person, how BURDEN OF PROOF works. You are trained to assume shit like you're actually intelligent, when that is a false statement, You are not intelligent, you are actually gullible and are wasting your existence on a paedohpile's schizophrenic fantasies, and thinking of them as true, SIMPLY BECAUSE YOU ONLY WANT TO FEEL SPECIAL, without actually making an effort. You just pick 5 things from a book, and pretend like you know all there is to know about the world. You people are an INSULT to the people who actually work to understand the real world. While people like you, keep slamming their heads on the ground, pretending like you're some god's creations, and how you're something more than an animal, when you're not. I guess that's all you're after. A title, a title that makes you feel less like crap, and gives you the SELF GIVEN RIGHT(secretly) where your "kind" is above all others, instead of actually doing something to improve your condition. The typical discriminatory, self benefiting ape behaviour. Heck, you don't even leave the poor muslim women and kids alone, lol. Sad.
You are also thirsty for that heaven and those virgins, and whatnot. Also, all your non muslim friends will burn in hell too. So will every non muslim who ever fought to defend muslims, simply because they were not muslims themselves. And it's not because I said so, it's ":BECAUSE IT'S WRITTEN IN THE ALMIGHTY HOLY QURAN:", lol. Sucks for them, but hey, at least you know everything there is to know, and you're going to heaven, have fun, in your heaven, Lol.
They sold you imaginary promises for your real existence, LOLOLOL!!! Enjoy whatever you have left, bahahahahaha.
I'm no more interested in even trying, some people just love their diseases.
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Bat Knight That's like saying "Oh, A muslim man killed a woman for his greed, let's BLAME HIS RELIGION." < Which is stupid.
"A Muslim guy, quoting the verses of quran, screaming allah hu akbar and hugging his brothers before he goes to blow up a school", IS DUE TO RELIGION, and THEN YOU CAN BLAME THEM FOR USING RELIGION AS THE TOOl, AND THE VERY REASON THAT HAPPENS, IS BECAUSE ISLAM FACILITATES JUSTIFICATION AND DEIFICATION OF VIOLENCE AND OTHER DEPRAVED ACTS SUCH AS SLAVERY, AND PATRIARCHY.
But yes, you do prove the point that those atheist dictators did kill all the people in the name of SOCIALISM, NOT ATHEISM. Because you can't say "We will kill all these people in the NAME OF ATHEISM", that's not how it works, lol. But " WE WILL KILL EVERYONE WHO STANDS IN OUR WAY IN THE NAME OF OUR ONE TRUE GOD", does work. Don't mind the caps.
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One can not hold a LIE and a TRUTH, both, at the same time, as a determiner of REALITY. So, if allah is real, then everyone who's not a muslim, which is the majority of around 6 billion, will ALL GO TO HELL SINCE THEY WON'T PROBABLY CONVERT TO ISLAM. The Same will happen to you, in response to someone else's religion, like christianity, where YOU will also go to hell because YOU are NOT christian, or a jew, or hindu, etc,etc. Which he isn't, most religious people are either too scared of "Going to hell" or "opposing the almight whose never proven itself", or their religion tells them good stories about themselves and how they are the special ones, so they never dare to question it. And often they're just too afraid of admitting that almost everyone they know, is wrong, because that cracks their delusions.
Again> "You cannot believe a LIE about something, at the same time as believing a TRUTH. Every religious guy thinks they're right, every human thinks they're right in one sense or the other, or why would they do such stupid shit with such pride? Everyone thinks they're a genius, until someone comes and rubs their faces on the very real dirt and shows them what fools they are, lol."
So, Believe a lie, and CLAIM it to be true, and see how far that gets you, lol. The price is your existence. And you've paid a decent part of it, just for promises of greatness and dreaming about gifts from allah.
But hey, Thanks for BELIEVING that I and everyone who's NOT A PART OF ISLAM, will go to hell. What a nice mind, Lol.
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Dario S. " I am a muslim taliban, a believer of allah and muhammad. I am going to kill a school full of people, because the QURAN justifies me going and blowing myself up after I spend all my bullets on the innocent, who are ALSO muslim, and believers of muhammad. "
Is Taliban, by any chance, an ATHEIST TERRORIST ORGANISATION? Lol, *Doesn't the quran also say that it is the WAY OF LIFE, and the Ultimate truth, and people who abide by islam, are meant to live their lives by it, because allah, so, what about alshabab, Isis, alquaeda, bokoharam, ETC,ETC, heck, here's the whole damn list
:http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_State_Department_list_of_Foreign_Terrorist_Organizations
Look, don't play the word game with me. So are you TELLING ME, that NOBODY DOES BAD SHIT BECAUSE OF THE QURAN? Not A SINGLE MUSLIM? THEN PROVE IT.
Or will you use the typical card of "Oh, no those particular guys are not real muslims you see, i am the real kind of muslim, not them. Despite the fact that they have god and shit written on their flag, their purpose is to ESTABLISH A CALIPHATE FOR ISLAM, AS IS WRITTEN IN THE FUCKING QURAN MATE, WHY ARE YOU IN SUCH DENIAL? Lol
But, if you STILL think that YOU are right, PLEASE, TYPE IT THE FUCK DOWN, because you are most likely wrong, entirely wrong. Only thing, is when you say things in your head, they all seem to make perfect sense, because all you're trained to discuss with, are other muslims who nod to the same things as you.
Oh, one more last thing; ALL your non-muslim friends WILL BURN IN HELL FOREVER because they are not the 'precious people of allah', but hey, at least you and your family will go to heaven <3.
What a kind fucking god, lol.
You'll also feel stupid if you remember this discussion further in your life when you change your mind. you'll be like "Damn, I shoulda just stopped denying shit for my own personal benefit, and just accepted the flaws in religion. A FLAWED RELIGION CAN NOT BE THE WORD OF A PERFECT GOD. IF THE GOD WAS PERFECT(which he needs to be by DEFINITION), then THE QURAN WOULD BE PERFECT, AND SO WOULD THE LIVES OF EVERYONE WHO BELIEVES IT. Therefore it is a scam by old perverts to get young girls to rape, and you dumb apes to use as soldiers, Soldiers who'll do anything that is asked of them. You think if allah was real, you would have an EASIER TIME PROVING HIM TO MORE THAN JUST 20% of the world, LOL.
Also, since religion doesn't make people do bad things, why did THOUSANDS OF PEOPLE FROM FIRST WORLD COUNTRIES< FLY TO SYRIA AFTER THEY CALLED FOR THE CALIPHATE?
Damn you're wasting your own life away, just because you don't wanna deal with accepting everyone around you as being wrong and deluded, along with yourself. Because people are apathetic, and really hate change, because it means they were wrong the whole time (Which isn't gonna change even if you keep denying it lol), because that's how the real world works. You've just been trained to think like your beliefs amount to anything.
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***** I am not gonna waste my time talking to you, but here, this might give you some pointers. *You say islam brings peace. Ok. Prove to me first, that there is WAR EVERYWHERE WHERE THERE IS NO ISLAM. AND PROVE TO ME THAT EVERYWHERE WHERE ISLAM IS PRESENT, WAR IS ABSENT.*
What nullifies your 'response' and makes it worthless, is THE MIDDLE EAST, where just about everyone is MUSLIM, and THAT IS WHERE THE MOST PEOPLE DIE EVERY YEAR (percentage wise ofc). ISIS, muslim. Taliban, muslim, Alquaeda, muslim. *And MORE MUSLIM THAN YOU WILL EVER BE, BECAUSE THEY FOLLOW THE BOOK, LITERALLY. THE WAY MUHAMMAD WANTED. YOU ARE THE FAKE MUSLIM, WHO'LL BURN IN HELL FOR FAILING TO COMPLY BY THE COMMANDS OF THE QURAN, lol. Sad.
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RebornChieko1434 Sorry, but before you type anything, can you STATE WHERE I SAID "RELIGION IS TO BLAME FOR EVERYTHING". * Your ignorance is this; You think that simply because religion doesn't make, or give anyone the excuse and a glorifying justification for violence and discrimination, IT CAN'T BE TO BLAME FOR THE PEOPLE WHO DO USE IT AS A JUSTIFICATION, BECAUSE IT IS WRITTEN IN THE SAM FUCKING BOOK TO COMMIT JIHAD AND TO SPREAD ISLAM THROUGHOUT THE WORLD AND CRUSH THOSE WHO OPPOSE IT. WHY, YOU ASK? BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT'S WRITTEN IN THE SAME BOOK, OUT OF WHICH, YOU DRAW YOUR OWN 'ARGUMENTS'.*
I am cringing so hard right no, I almost farted.
You're the one who's immature, still believing childish stories that your mommy and dadday told you when you were a little baby, and filled your head with hot air and now you feel too special. The same way their parents did to them, lol. You are lying to each other's faces every single time, just because you believe it to be true, doesn't make it so.
Remember, TWO TRUTHS CANNOT HOLD THE SAME PLACE. and if that's the case, then 85% of the people alive today, WHO ARE NOT MUSLIMS, WILL BURN IN HELL FOR ETERNITY. If the christians get lucky with their claims, then around 80% of the world, INCLUDING YOU GREAT FOLKS, WILL BURN IN HELL FOR EVER.
The only way you can believe all your bullshit, is if NOBODY ARGUES WITH YOU. AND THAT IS EXACTLY WHAT YOU PEOPLE DO, LOL KNOWING OR UNKNOWINGLY. YOU AVOID ALL CRITICISM, AND PLAY THE "I AM OFFENDED" card, AS IF THAT COUNTS AS A VALID ARGUMENT, LOL. AND YOU DO IT EVERY SINGLE DAY, YOU LIVE LIES, SIMPLY BECAUSE THE TRUTH IS "NOT AS CONVENIENT".
The thing about delusional, word sensitive, wishful thinkers, is that they don't know what they are, which is the very reason they are able to maintain that state.
Once again, go crazy, I am not the one who's in the delusion, therefore I have nothing to gain from believing all that horse shit, which is why i am not BIASED to those beliefs, as you are. Waste away as you seem to be enjoying it, cheerios.
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RebornChieko1434 Only "true" Muslims are allowed to join ISIS. I am not religious. You are more suitable. *Ohhhh, The Irony*
If your "god" was actually real, do you think you would have such a hard fucking time proving him? Let alone be getting logically destroyed, and having to resort to petty tactics like ad hominem insults, lol. No wonder only about 15% of people were convinced. Not saying that people are intelligent, but damn, son. For an "almighty creator of everything who's omnipresent, he sure as fuck isn't very convincing, huh. Same goes for the other thousands of gods, who're just as real as your allah.
It's already a pain in the ass, to be having to discuss and arguing with people over such an obviously fake garbage, just because they think they are the chosen ones.
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evarand123 awesome "I dont need to see to believe." Well Clearly. No wonder people keep robbing you and your gullible family all your life, using you as tools of propagating their agenda, and sticking you to their club so you feel afraid (or out of purely lowly and selfish desires), and never go against them. You think the middle east, where MOST OF ALLAH'S PEOPLE LIVE, would be so fucking fucked in the ass BY ALLAH'S OWN PEOPLE IN THE NAME OF ALLAH? Lol, How fucking stupid and ignorant does one have to get to be able to believe this?
Also, 5-headed blue unicorns are also real, believe me, you don't need proof, I will tell you a nice story about the unicorn, that will prove it to you. It lives inside the sun and will fly out when the sun dies, and will take us all to unicorn heaven with HIM, and we'll live forever there.
It's just as convincing as the QURAN.
Try DISPROVING ME, lol. If you fail, then your allah, is EQUALLY REAL(not) AS OUR GREAT 5-headed blue unicorn master in the sun. and if you say anything against our unicorn lord, I WILL BE OFFENDED.*
I doubt that you're able to understand all of what I've written, but I'll just assume it for now.
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evarand123 awesome "you can do as you please with them, they belong to you by the will of allah" *SOUNDS LIKE RAPE SLAVERY*, Just because the quran doesn't use the LITERAL WORD, "RAPE", DOES NOT MEAN THAT IT DOESN'T ALLOW IT AND JUSTIFY IT.
I am talking to an idiot who, when in an argument, isn't even capable of looking at ALL THE POINTS, rather than just looking at the same self important bullshit he's been feeding on, his whole lie.. i mean life.
NOW READ THIS AND SHUT UP, Ignorant kid. Go read the fucking quran even, since you don't know shit about that either.
"It is not for the sun to overtake the moon, nor doth the night outstrip the day. They float each in an orbit.
Qur'an 36:40"
WRONG, THE SUN DOES NOT 'FLOAT' AROUND THE MOON AND VICE VERSA, LOL MUHAMMAD IS DUMB, AND HE'S MAKING YOU STUPID TOO, LOL
"By the Sun and his (glorious) splendour; By the Moon as she follows him;
Qur'an 91:1-2"
AGAIN, THE MOON DOES NOT FOLLOW THE SUN, OK?!! LOL DUMB
"And verily We have beautified the world's heaven with stars/lamps, and We have made them missiles for the devils, and for them We have prepared the doom of flame.
Qur'an 67:5"
... This.. This one... LOLOLOLOLO!! Meteors are missiles of allah sent to earth to kill devils, LOLOLOL!!!!
That's just THREE, here's a few dozen more.
http://wikiislam.net/wiki/Scientific_Errors_in_the_Quran
YOUR PERFECT GOD FAILED AT BASIC SCIENCE, LOL
Get your ignorant head educated. Just reading one ancient book written by paedophiles, and pretending to know everything isn't going to help you. Do you want your life to be a delusion too? Like it is to your grandfather, father, and before them. You will just be another one who fell for Mohammad's paedophillic, conquring rape land fantasy (No wonder the men are to rule by the quran, how else will you make all the bitches fuck you and act like your slaves, no shock so many men love it, I don't see many women defending Islam.OH THAT'S RIGHT, I FORGOT, THEY'RE NOT ALLOWED TO, AND CAN BE STONED TO DEATH).
ME MOCKING YOU, IS THE BEST THING THAT EVER HAPPENED TO YOUR DELUDED EXISTENCE. THE ONLY PROBLEM, IS THAT YOU STILL DON'T UNDERSTAND,LOL. THEREFORE, I MUST MOCK THE IGNORANCE OUT OF YOU, UNTIL IT BECOMES A STIGMA <3. You're welcome.
Yeah, sorry, kid. The truth doesn't always come in a convenient little booklet which tells you all the good shit you want to hear just to feel special. <*Idiots can think their points make sense and are based on facts. That doesn't affect reality in any way. More people believing in allah doesn't make him any real, than LESS people believing in an apple, makes it disappear.* You just think that the shit that goes on in your little deluded herds, actually weighs up to factual scrutiny, by SHUNNING EVERY CRITICISM OF SAID DELUSIONS, LOL. CLEVER.
OR are you?
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evarand123 awesome Wrong. I have to only bring up ONE SINGLE MISTAKE. To Prove that it is NOT the word of god, because GOD, be DEFINITION, IS PERFECT. AND A PERFECT BEING, CAN NOT MAKE FUCKING MISTAKES IN WRITING THE PERFECT BOOK. THEREFORE, IT IS ALL NULL AND VOID. Idiots are still free to believe it, tho. So, knock yourself out. It your life, waste it believing whichever fairy tale you want, any of the 40,00+, which all make the same "you are special" promise, lol.
It is not my Job to PROVE EVERY SINGLE THING IN A BOOK WRONG. IT IS YOUR FUCKING JOB TO PROVE EVERY SINGLE ONE RIGHT (which is not possible because I already proved it wrong), now gtfo if you're gonna ramble the same shit over and over again. Go do that in the mosque.
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Anthony Bachour "Do you even lift? This man needs so many calories because he's on a quest to become as strong as possible. He's 6'8" which is hardly average and needs to maintain 400lbs body weight so he can be competitive. He has a reason for eating so much and I don't think he's worried about dying of clogged arteries as he's already decided to go on a cocktail of drugs to be able to reach this level."
I do occasionally, Lift, yes. Not in the gym, at home. I can handle myself, and don't break like a twig.
Healthwise, I am much less likely to die of a disease, and much probable to live a longer life,etc,etc,less bp, less stress,etc (unless some fucker drives me over.... fuck, that'd suck.)
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Ok, so, I am 6'1''. around 165 lbs. but I KNOW i will Never Even need 10,000 calories a day, Let alone 15 to 20,000 (Used the numbers to give you an idea. I'm still not half his size. Weight maybe, but more weight doesn't require more calories, to be weight, there's just a constant putting on and off of weight.
Yes, he does heavy workouts, and I'll probably never be able to do them, but heck, I would never become like that, in the "mission to become the strongest". His training is also consistent of LIMITED, Specific Workouts. Or you would be able to tell, just by looking at him, what he focuses on; Food and Lifting.
Also, the term "Strong" is ambiguous and often revolves around the limited perception of the humans of a particular time period.
Since you asked me whether I lifred, *Ask him this, "Do you even run?"
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tickyul Yes, I did, thus the criticism.
He doesn't "need" 20 k calories everyday to do the things he does. How the fuck does a person fit enough workout to burn 20k calories in a day (24 hours MINUS sleep, shower, eating, shopping,shitting,etc,etc.)? That's right, he doesn't, that's why the stomach.
Ends don't justify the means, or maybe they do, but only in a base levelled debate.
He could still maybe kill me with a well timed punch. lol >.>
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Anthony Bachour Difference between "Huge calorie intake to maintain body fat" and "consuming 20,000, Ten times the average calories".
" Also I don't know your goals but being 6'1'' at only 165lbs is nothing to brag about ;)" Wrong. You are the one brining out his dimensions, do you not think it sensible for a context and contrast?
But of course, someone who's set on defending the guy, will certainly think anyone who mentions a number, is "bragging", lel.
"You also know nothing about nutrition if you think that maintaining 400lbs body weight while doing extremely demanding physical exercise doesn't require a way above average calorie intake."
*Wrong again, but you have already drawn long conclusions,so*.
There's a difference between maintaining 400 pounds of non-fat, Lean muscle AND Between hitting the 400 number with a huge belly and stuffing oneself calling it "training food, extreeemeee".
Of course, he's taken the easy way in. Like most do anyway, which is not a surprise.
Also remember fat is lighter than bones and muscle.
And you ACTUALLY think that a man whose 6'8'', has to "work hard to maintain 400 pounds". Lewl.
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CurrencyPrime Lol, I do, but kids like you can't hold complex rules for reality. Your brain functions on things like "X works at Y and has spent quite some time there, X knows everything about Y and everyone else is wrong, other than the people who praise X, because hypocritical double standards"
You must just be a low functioning human being, with basic social-survival intellect, and can't think complex thoughts or process information that makes you look like a sycophantic suckup, but I think I just have to remind you this:
You are the one who got butthurt here, all I did, was write a comment on the video and left. You were the one who got butthurt and had to write something (even though completely unsubstantiated, and merely pulled out of your own ass). Whatever happened after that, was just me replying to people writing on my OP. so, time to self-reflect for you ^-^.
Wow, kids like you are stupid enough for me to feel like I have to waste my time writing these things, or maybe nobody else ever might for you, and then you'll just remain as dumb and ignorant as you are now, so I'm kinda trying to help you <3.
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***** Oh good god, yes I have, since it was IN the video.
Of course I won't be running behind a strongman trophy, just how I won't be running behind a figure ice skating. They're all petty titles that people chase all their lives, when all they ever had to do, was to realise their strength themselves, lol.
A "TITLE" is a TITLE, not the "TRUTH". "Miss Universe, DOES NOT MEAN, Mistress of the universe. "Mister World, DOES NOT mean mister of the world. "Strongest man trophies" DO NOT make the person "The Strongest man". It's just a human concept, and equally petty. Just because a bunch of people start caring about these things, doesn't change their worthlessness and arbitrariness.
What does the number of trophies he has, have anything to do with anything?
If a guy who has 1 more award than him, comes an tells him that he is an idiot, then you will probably believe him instantly, because of the 1 more trophy he has, lol.
I Guarantee to you, that even if he wanted, he wouldn't be able to hold his breath for more than a few seconds, and would lose to little kids. Should I call him a loser who can't even hold his breath for longer than little Children, but still calls himself a "strongman"? Lol, no. Because that's how idiots think.
He didn't win trophies on calorie utilization mastery, nor did he win the national trophy of knowing what to eat, and knowing how much one needs to eat.
I Can use the same trophy argument in the other direction and just say "Nope, he doesn't count for shit, since he has no world championship trophies." But then I would just be deliberately lowering my logic, just to feel like I am making sense.
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Za Warudo... WRYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYYY! MUDAMUDAMUDAMUDAMUDAMUDAMUDAMUDAMUDAMUDAMUDAMUDAMUDAMUDAMUDAMUDA The idea of an "average man" again, I suppose, differs depending on geographical regions. I've lived in places where people couldn't drive to work, because there were no roads, so they climbed mountains everyday, and then worked on the mountains.
Also; "say everyone starts doing really bad in the tests one day, and you're the only one who scores relatively higher marks. But, did the others lowering their own level of scoring, suddenly make you better?" Yes, but only in comparison :D
Someone still has to explain to me, How he manages to burn 20,000 Calories, in under SIXTEEN HOURS? He sure as fuck doesn't look like someone who can exercise for long amounts of time in a stretch. More of an explosive strength kind of guy. That makes it more likely for him to workout even less in a day.
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onlymoneyloves You are misinformed if you think I give a fuck about lay minded people giving a fuck about what I say. Therefore, your fucks, become irrelevant.
Leeeeel, Your idea of what "matters", seems to be copied from the general population around you. Do you even think anyone's gonna remember his "uber 20000 calorie diet of manliness", a few years in the future, when people realise how pathetic a diet like this is? Of course you do. Wishful thinking is strong in this one.
"I'll just play this charade I am surrounded by and pretend like it's the shit, since there's idiots idiotic enough to buy it, and then we'll all close our ears and scream at any other opinion, until we die, so we never have to face reality." lelelele
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Nas Weekes Ok. I'll just put some more detail into the facts here>, rather than just looking at the points that support your argument.
Marius Pudzinaowski
February 7, 1977 (age 37)
Other names Dominator, Pyton, Pudzian
Nationality Polish
Height 186 cm (6 ft 1 in)
Weight 142 kg (313 lb)
So, Marius is EIGHT years older. only FOURTY Kilos LESS, and only SEVENTEEN Centimetres shorter. Has actually won a gold (If you are the kind of person who takes medals as something important, which is likely.)
Robert Oberst
December 20, 1984 (age 29)
United States United States
Other names "OB"
Occupation Strongman
Height 203 cm (6 ft 8 in)
Weight 181 kg (399 lb
This boy, is ONE HUNDRED Pounds heavier, and only SEVEN inches taller, and ALSO YOUNGER, But FATTER, and WEAKER, and MORE CALORIE DEPENDENT. It's called being a fatty who eats 20,000 Calories in a day, can lift some weight.
I Just don't see the logic, maybe there is none to him.
Coorelation does not automatically imply causation.
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Krešimir Duvnjak You're wrong.
http://www.dailymail.co.uk/femail/article-2177613/Michael-Phelps-12-000-calories-day-dont-doing-harm.html
Please, do explain how "phelps swimm*ed and eat a lot, that's true, but swimming is less calorie demanding than strongman training. I must say, you obviously don't know what a strongman training looks like. "
Phelps eats 12000 Calories in a day (He's skinnier and 4 inches shorter, and STILL TAKES THIS MUCH ENERGY), " swimming is less calorie demanding. " Lol...
Also, Since you like the basic societal mentality of perception and 'value', The Fatty hasn't won a single world championship gold, and Phelps has more than I remember.
And I'm not even defending or attacking anyone, lol. People should do some checking before they waste their own time, and mine :|...
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***** It's not my fault, that people, repeatedly use the same reasoning. "You can't say anything about him because you are not a strongman yourself." Etc,etc.
Totem did point again, at "my lack of being a strongman.", Even if not entirely basing it upon oberst.
So I guess only a mad man can call another mad man, mad. I guess asylums should be run by crazies, and Managers who've never played football themselves, should just shut the fuck up and not tell the footballers what they're doing wrong, etc.etc.
This is not a competition, I am not ahead, and neither is anyone else. It's just a remark, that some people seem to take offence at. *Despite themselves, feeling like they have some authority to defend him and then tell me things like* "You can't say anything because [insert random argument here]"...
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Don Megga Oh god, another one. I just hope you didn't go disliking my videos just to feel like you won anything, like most people do. It's really a pain in the ass, lol.
Now, here's something for you to consider: the 9 above him, didn't take his diet, and outdid his ass IN EVERY WAY(which is why he lost). You can only burn so much energy in a day, and 20,000 is not it, not with his "workout", which probably consists more of cooking, eating and shitting than training. That's why he's so fat, he's probably not seen his own dick in ages. I don't know what you are even defending. There is a DIFFERENCE between a Nutritional diet, and a CALORIE heavy diet. GUESS which one his is?? If he actually ate Proper food, he wouldn't be able to stuff enough to get that much. That's why he eats shit full of shit, where everything is replaced with calories.
If he actually gave a shit about doing HIS VERY POSSIBLE BEST. He wouldn't look like a pig who just got lucky at being big as well. He doesn't care about that, he doesn't mind being the freak if people throw money at him for doing it. Talk about "Being a strong man competitor". He's just like you; Lost in numbers, medals, and the fad of his time period, and defending and continuing it, because it saves him from more cognitive dissonance.
"bla bla bla, Look at his medaaaalsssssss look at the moulded, plated metalll, it means so mucchh, it is soo much proooofffff, Loook thizzz facctzzz". jee. Petty Argumentum ad populum and Ad hominems.
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Don Megga Mariusz Pudzinaowski and mark felix, two examples.
Here, read this yourself, if you want to remove your misinformation.
http://www.bbc.com/news/magazine-23574005
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mark_Felix
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mariusz_Pudzianowski
What Idiot, will use having FOUR INCHES MORE, as an Excuse to east almost THREE TIMES THAT OF SOME STRONGMEN, and STILL LOSE, and STILL continue on the same path? :<
" Also I have better things to do that disliking a video of a scrawny little kid." *Yes, Like going to people's channels while participating in a completely unrelated argument, just to find potential ad hominem dirt to throw at them. Not that I mind, since I know its origin.* <3
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Don Megga So, doesn't the " One case of a strongman that actually eats obsessively insane amounts of calories everyday, but doesn't manage to beat the OTHER strongmen around him, who can easily go with 7500" ALSO come under the same "It shows nothing of substance since it's just one fat guy?
. THIS is what I meant, by empty calories, and proper nutritional food.
You do also realise, that Oberset is YOUNG as fuck, and STILL so damn fat and energy cookoo already.
"And yes I looked at your video, it is relevant because you are the only one who is attacking the guy on his diet and physique... so of course I had to wonder what you actually looked like."
- Fair enough. BUT, Again, I am not "attacking" him by mentioning the poor logic behind his diet. It's not "attacking", simply pointing out the obvious mistake, some may call it criticism.
If me criticising him, is "attacking", then anyone else Praising him, is "kissing his ass".
You can't just be like "Ok, we're letting all the praises through now, ok keep the praises coming, keep all the good feedback up... OH WAIT, A CRITICISM??!! YO POUNCE THIS H88888ER, for hating and attacking someone with text boxes!!!" Can't have exceptions like that. brings Flaws of personal Bias, which is detrimental to you, ultimately ;v
My simple point was that Mark Felix is only 4 inches shorter and 100ish pounds less, yet can do BETTER than oberest, literally, like better in terms of stats and all that, with almost ONE THIRD the calorie intake, and he was just ONE of all the examples.
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Don Megga Yes, because that's what he's eating like. I'd call anyone who eats absurd amounts of food based on some assumption as an excuse, a pig, At least if their video shows up on my feed, and the comment section is open.
"Also you still fail to mention a simple point that I made twice... the current champions are fatter than Oberest" < I see, But you have to yet show me where they also consume 20,000 calories a day to win all the golds (which Oberst hasn't, even though I don't care about that, but it seems to apparently matter).
Since they're "fatter" than oberst, should'nt they be needing EVEN MORE CALORIES than oberst, by the Pattern of the logic seen here. "X is bigger, X is justified to eat any amount of food, and ultimately just say 'i'm... bigger...' and nobody can say anything".
Also, Mark, as I mentioned, takes only around 7500 calories, despite being 6'4'' and around 350 pounds. How does ~100 more pounds justify eating almost three times the calories, and still lagging behind?
ALSO, Muscle is Denser than Fat, you know what that sums up to ;).
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Conner H Actually you didn't get what I meant.
The shit he eats, and the amount of it that he eats, IS a health issue, and don't tell me that strongmen can't die of disease. Also, remember. a "strong guy life" is not the same as a "healthier life".
I don't eat shit like that, and DO statistically, have a better chance of living a longer AND HEALTHIER life.
"Also, i don't understand why it's so unbelievable to you that he needs 20,000 calories to maintain his 400 pounds of body mass" You didn't read the comment above yours, where Megga himself, tells you how there are WORLD CHAMPIONS who WEIGH MORE, yet EAT LESS. So you can SAY that he "needs the 20,000 to remain unsuccessful in winning a strongman championship, while others can take the cup at around 7000 calories, EASY.
"And finally, i don't get why you're critiquing what Robert is doing to reach his goals. Why don't you go fucking do something instead of bitching about how much one of the strongest men in the world eats."
Think of the judge and the murderer, and their lack of relative experience of each other's actions, yet look at the judgements. "OH JUDGE, YOU can't Say I'm guilty, you Can't say that I am a murderer, because YOU'VE NEVER KILLED ANYONE, therefore DO NOT possess the authority to say ANYTHING to me." Same goes for you and your politicians. Don't you fucking dare to insult ANY politician on what they do, BECAUSE YOU'RE NOT A POLITICIAN. DUDE, Talk about fucked up, self-fulfilling garbage logic.
Lol, the hypocrisy. Didn't you Think this when you were typing? You're here, criticising/ backlashing a butthurt, about how I'm supposed to "stop bitching and go do something", and what are you doing? Sucking on the teats of a guy who doesn't even know you exist, and you're busy sucking up to him, maybe to fire motor neurons to make you feel whatever you long for.
I didn't go up to his house to insult him. HIS VIDEO loaded on MY FEED, and is in the PUBLIC DOMAIN, and OPEN TO CRITICISM. If you Can't take a fucking criticism, you're not fucking worthy of the bother of a praise. As I mentioned before, but the world wouldn't be as fucked as it is, if people actually accepted their faults in the first go, lol.
Go cry somewhere else.
And YES, this debate is stupid, because most people getting butthurt here, can't read the previous comments and then Keep typing the same shit again and again, and I have to keep coming and correcting them and their biased delusions.
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ipoomini I understand. But really, man. Using analogies does help, But then Mariuz, felix, and all the other guys, are ALSO planes. and Seem to run perfectly fine (Actually BETTER) at around 7500 Calories, when this one needs around 20000 Calories, just to not feel dizzy. He's not much bigger. Over me, having around 17 centimetres, and 220 pounds, causes him to need around TEN TIMES the energy. Really, it's obvious that he doesn't NEED that energy, he just THINKS that he needs it, and forcing this onto his body, conditioning his body to depend on more energy than before to to the same tasks.
I have drawn comparisons with half a dozen other strongmen, who ALL have MORE(actually have golds too) trophies, awards, etc,etc. All at the cost of around HALF, That's TEN Thousand Calories LESS, and Almost the same size if not bigger.
Doesn't add up.
Let's take the following analogy as example:
I am a wrestler(yes i know it's just entertainment, w/e). I ate 30000 calories in a day. Then I managed to "win a belt" somehow, and did fair amounts of training. Now, I can credit me winning my belt and being "so strong" to the calories I eat. And my fans will agree to it and mimic the thought.
But then what about all the other people around me who're just as strong if not stronger, and didn't eat as much as me? Well, I and my fans will simply disregard them, and go back to using me as the justification for my own actions.
That's not how logic works for me.
Also, Swimmers and cross country cyclists, and other sportsmen like these, are the ones who "go on non stop". Not strongmen. They have breaks.
Ultimately, YES, he is BIGGER AND STRONGER(and fatter), a Strongman, and DOES NEED a buttload more Calories in a day than an "average" person, but yo, 20,000 is NOT THAT AMOUNT.
It doesn't affect me in ANY WAY. If he gets a stroke or something, I am not the one who's gonna be flailing on the ground.
Even though it is entirely possible for me to get a stroke, but sure as fuck not as likely as him, along with a legion of other diseases.
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Most people here just appeal to authority. Which is a logical Fallacy. But that happens almost everywhere since it's become the "social norm" way of talking where everyone's got flawed and poor debating skills, but they all consider each other competent, and skilled, as to not realise their own shortcomings, and come to random conclusions, but concur them to be true, as to again, not realise their own shortcomings.
Because it's human propensity to seek mental 'stability' and 'sense of being right', than actually facing and admitting reality. They're not helpless to it, It's just a propensity, but I guess it's preferred. But again, Billions of people in this world are religious, Sure as fuck doesn't prove them to be right... well at least they can keep their thoughts, as long as they do not go outside their herds, because that's where their delusions are open to be destroyed by others who see their fallacy.
Holy fuck, 150 comments about whether a human NEEDS 20,000 calories or not. Remember, I said NEED not WANT or FEELS LIKE. There's a clear fucking difference lel....
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Elvis Florian True. Yes, I never denied how strong he was, which is evident from his actions. But at the same time, that doesn't justify the amount of food he eats for it. There is a reason for why I've made this conclusion: There's been dozens of other people, who've WON the GOLD, with almost ONE THIRD of the energy that Oberst "needs", to win some smaller state or other championships. But good luck to him, It's either adapt, or "don't win the gold he wants to win so bad", we might get to see, in time :D
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Glyn I was actually born in a village near the himalayas, i had no internet, no computer, and hung around kids who shot little birds off of trees, burnt and ate them in front of me, and I was around 11 at that time, did i become like them? Nope. What excuse does she have?
If children are so impressionable, how come she learnt nothing from her mother, who's struggling so hard everyday because of "crystal"?
She's not exactly a "child" anymore either, that title suits her little sister better, who's probably 6+ years younger.
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But this in this world, to reach/ achieve anything(even a state of mind), different people will have to do different things, put in more/less/different effort. The girl is being ignorant and difficult, there is guidance, examples, education(something hundreds of millions of people don't necessarily get) her mom and teachers are working so hard, tryna guide the fuck out of her >.<.
She's consciously pushing in the opposite direction(would you say that she has Absolutely no IDEA about the outcomes of her actions? I would say she's aware[if not fully aware] of them). Doesn't she see her mother suffering and struggling for her?
But as we know, even many if not majority adults also end up being inconsiderate, hateful, bitter, selfish, angry etc,etc., proven by the current state of the world.
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Ultimately, I want her to get her shit right, because it's good for her. But sometimes, there exist people in this world, who just wanna lay on the dirty ground, even if people want to genuinely help them up*(Despite having so much more than so many people in this world)*.
Above her, my concerns go for her little sister( Who will learn things form her stupid attitude too).
And for her mother, who keeps trying, bearing all this weight, just to have her daughter make it worse, despite all her efforts.
My conclusion : Crystal is making no effort to improve her own life, das is all. :\
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mercedescl I'll share a little story i never really talk about :
Minimum wage isn't even a thing in India. I am told, when i was born, we didn't even have a proper house to live in, we were never really " too poor" according to the Indian standard(which is pretty low anyway), but let's say that it wasn't the "ideal" way of living haha. (cries internally). Let alone 8$ wages (+we still don't have internet or a car,etc,etc) :(.. See, I have kind of come to realise that changing yourself, is one of the easiest things to do, but that doesn't happen as long as personal ignorance is maintained. Because before change, you must acknowledge your shortcomings and excuses and ignorance. Do you know how and where I came to this realisation?
Sitting alone for weeks, in my little single room with a bathroom (no living room, no kitchen, no hot water,no AC, nothing). Nobody told me what was wrong with me, I searched for it, i gave up the things i believed in and picked the pieces again and rebuilt, alone and I still do, because I try to not lie to myself... well not as much anymore haha.
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mercedescl Very true. but to me, as i have come to currently accept, my existence is independent of the pre-assumed ideas of this world. (As it has only been around 500ish years for science and around 150-200 for psychology). I have come to accept that what goes on in the mind is independent of what happens outside, meaning that X thing outside does not always equate X response in the mind. Which makes it all too subjective. Even the placebo event is a part of it.
To become a certain person, you do not need any particular way of life/environment because it is all too subjective again.
So, once you give up the idea that you need certain things to happen in the physical world for changes to occur in your psychological and conscious being. Any change can be bought, with enough self-honesty and acknowledgement of the human potential & your existential opportunity. This can again, take any amount of time to occur, depending on the individual and other factors, I guess i was just lucky enough to have such an EXTREMELY STRANGE life, haha.
You are correct though.
. As most beings will try to adapt and blend into their environment, as it is the primal instinct(which can be edited later) and sometimes it may never happen in an entire lifetime...
... but who can/should that soul blame, but him/herself? :D
-i would say that Neitzsche did help me on this(but nobody told me about him.. and i decided not to wait :B)
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Yes, you guys are right too.
But in the end.
Who does a living being, who has the ability of higher thought, conscience, the ability to override even the primal instincts, blame?
I understand, to not be too harsh on her.
But we could possibly agree that she wouldn't even have spent a single day thinking about her actions as a whole and what they really do.
Ebag Llewen, Iv'e seen people turn up better out of much worse situations. I try to share the perspective of those people.
Deecool47, I agree, it took me some time to understand myself better, but I have a feeling that my life wasn't a cake walk either (aforementioned). Nobody had to make effort for me, because I realised, nobody has the duty to, it is my own to do so. It is my job to relaise what my actions and choices do(or to at least try :D..
A being can't/shouldn't wait for others to bring change, when it can be brought so easily, internally.
The thing (according to me is) : If one person can prevent their environment from irreparably(she doesn't have it the worst, oh Not even close), so can anyone else, yes it may take more effort, but she's not even trying despite the effort her parents and teachers make for her :\..(As well as setting up a bad example for her little sister).
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I understand the appeal to money, but I also must acknowledge that the
majority of people, or let's say money itself, will never make up for
the inherent characteristics, lack of knowledge, unresolved issues.
Sometimes, to me money, and the pursuit of it in the highest manner,
seems like the ultimate escape from the other less obvious problems, no?
It's like a grander form of all the other small antics we take on to
often confront the important things or actions in life; by building side
quests to avoid the main quest, in a way.
Money solves problems, but only the problems the system of money itself planted into human existence, but being able to buy better pot or food for animals or a better computer is also tempting, but the "Far" reaching consequences of participation are what work as deterrents, too. Seeing too far into my actions makes me almost do nothing but hoard knowledge lol, because the world outside is relatively more ignorant and very often works against the well-being of the organism. I could literally live on nothing but decent temperature, balanced food, cats, pot, a source of information (my pc in this case), some external sources of perspective (friends, random run-ins when i go out, other animals), and that's all I need to solve my own problems, and find comfort in the future, and the infinity of life lol (since it can re-emerge anytime the conditions are right, even after total extinction).
A little long but that's how the feels are rolling right now.
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I can't exactly say I'm enjoying it, but where I have reached in my understanding of the universe and the life within it, in contrast to all the humans before us, gives me a vague guarantee that it will all be ok, as an organism bound to evolution, and the need to move away from our violent/negative instincts(which inevitably deteriorates standards of living) which had a purpose when civilization did not exist, and now we're just in the phase where those behaviors and beliefs slowly get rooted out by something like an "anthropomorphized natural selection". With the development in AI and our ability to intervene into the genetics of an organism, there'll come a time when we can just identify and weed out all the pedophile, religious fanaticism, greed, jealousy, etc sustaining gene/traits, before the human is even born lol; You could say that is a place where I find solace.
I also have some understanding of hormones and diet, where I smoke a lot of pot, fap, as well at eat decent amounts of sugars, and some minor exercise to keep my body from losing form to our, present, unnatural environment; this makes it almost impossible for me to feel too down, I should get some more vitamin B12 tho.
Most people's existential suffering stems from things they don't know, rather than the things they don't have. I haven't quite understood it yet, but homo sapiens seem to have, through evolution, "had their reins of a pre-directed life loosened", where most humans suffer identity crises, go through neurosis, misconceptions about the world, etc. It's like this specie is almost free to roam and be what it can or wants to be, be it a furry other-kin asexual hipster, or a badass leather wearing chopper riding bike ganging man, to a gimp, or a rogue samurai bandit. It's easier to be a guy who just sits in his room going through the world thanks to the invention of the apes before him, i really need to find a job tho, so that's something I'll have to sort out unfortunately (or it could be good, the problem is the people, more than the task/job tbh, and it feels like people want to be that way, because it's so fucking easy to not be, or it seems, I don't think I can ever really see like the mind of another person or animal, but I can get close, maybe real close).
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kkkkkkkkccccccc lel, is there a problem with me playing videogames? You can just stop responding now, since you had no other material, which led you to my channel out of desperation. Here, i'll give you one last picture; I am almost 22 now. the first "PC" i got was a 5 year old laptop that was given to me by my cousin, 3 years ago, and only last year i managed to get a new one, due to college. And i still don't have internet back home, lol. And this is my adulthood. You are not logical or interesting enough for me to share anything else. This should suffice.
you gave me a nice giggle with your deductions tho, go kudos, lel. * flies away *
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These people are desperate. Look at them and their wilful ignorance and wishful thinking. Credulous towards the things they HAVE to believe, just so that they don't realise/acknowledge how petty their actions are, and even lower, their justification of those actions, and lower yet, their continuation on the same path. Not a surprise, seeing all the bullshit people believe in all over the world, this specie is pretty much addicted to lying to itself.
They will always try harder to convince themselves of things which support their claims and actions, rather than being unbiased toward the reality of their actions, lel.
Most of them will never even realise the truth, because they'll have lived their whole lives, lying to themselves, just so they could continue doing the things they've almost become addicted to, so I guess, in the end, they DO pay a somewhat fair price; A self-inflicted False existence.
:D
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***** The things you think right now are pathetic, and there might, if you're lucky, come a day when you realise how much garbage you spewed thinking that it was sensible, just to keep your impunity in one piece, along with your delusion of "nature".
But I won't bother to correct you, because if you had the slightest critical thinking, you'd have done it yourself by now. No point bothering with people who've lived in their verbal faeces for so long, that they'd rather stay in to not look like fools for doing it for all this time, than admitting to being an idiot, lel.
Or maybe you won't get lucky.
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"The women are getting raped, therefore, the women need to raise their morals. The potential rape victims should stay away from the places where the potential rapists come." Dawm, lol. Yeah, "fight for your motherland"and your "values", both of which, were once upon a time, forced upon your predecessors, but yeah, unsee that, and just suckle on the thoughts which convince you somehow.
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MarcianusImperator Wrong. WWI itself killed over 16 million people, and WWII killed over 60 Million people, and who started those? ahuehuehue. You are forgetting Herr Adolf, the Christian Dictator, whose Nazi army consisted of 95% Christians. And another Genocide Religion has caused, is by Dulling the potential of mankind for over 1500 years, Killing everyone who questioned them in the name of heresy. Raised ignorance and spread it, The Black Death, which WIPED OUT Half of Europe. You know why? Because they sat and prayed to the god and boom half of Europe is Gauuunnne. You are still ignoring all this, i mean, how many more strikes ?:B
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Paris agreement is a FACADE, it's another strawman demon which is supposedly 'against the freedom of the Patriotic people of USA', that Trump will Slay with his own little hands and bring great happiness and freedom from the non-existent demands of the treaty, to the true maga americans. America is mostly like a huge factory farm yo, but instead of being slaughtered (except the army) all the livestock (humans) are made to consume and consume sports, food, houses, land, you get the idea, and then shit out the expense and tax money in return, to support the very owners of the factory who orchestrate their whole existence lol. They're allowed little protests though, helps them feel like they run their own lives. phephephe what a nice little system, everyone gets what they like consuming.
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Yaneli Bao Well, using all the reasoning and speculated theories you are giving me in support of "humane" slaughtering. Can i apply this to Eating another human, is that Justified according to you?
Here are two things i will say in support of cannibalism : We can digest the meat, humans have meat= I am evolved to eat humans. Come and tell me how this is not ethical? If i raise a child, after adopting it, may i kill and eat it simply because i raised it? Wow, guys, Magical rules you have.
Those who will say " yeah it's ok to kill and eat someone if you raise them (without torturing), are the same people who will condemn Cannibalism, but they don't even get the fucking fact that We are of the same ancestor, leleleleelwlewlelwelw. And no we're not "special" and "God" didn't make Everything for us( for the guys thinking in their heads) * God made me and made everything for me*.
On a side note: Are you fucking kidding me? If according to you : This I believe: to eat humanely raised and slaughtered animals is not only ethical, it’s important to our humanity.. Now, explain to me, HOW EXACTLY is it ""Important"" to our humanity? People live perfectly healthy lives without ever even touching meat. What happened to scientific proof ? Lol.
you are just like a group of Jihadists/ Other Religious fanatics, in the sense that they all get together and share the same belief and justify the same killings, have their own theories about everything. As well as implementing a "moral" code sticker in the end, just to feel good.
TL;DR => Explain why is it not ethical to consume human flesh, when there's so many of us, what is so magical and sacred about it that you hold us ABOVE the ones you butcher, how come your "Justified killing for consumption" does NOT include humanity. And Rape too, because sexual dimorphism, explain this bit as well. chop chop.
Btw, Several species from lions to arachnids, do cannibalise others of their own, and if one person cannibalises, that(according to your theory) means the whole specie is evolved to cannibalise.
.... are you shitting me? "Calorie Dense Food grew our brain", lol no. People are Equally stupid today, despite civilisation. Eating meat didn't make you smarter(or anyone else) Cooking food Doest NOT "require" cooperation.
update Just read your last paragraph. Wow, your way of justifying this is so fucking shallow and ignorant. our eating animals is good for the animals. They exist because we care for them, and we care for and raise their offspring Are you SHITTING ME ? LOL. Oh Yeahh! For surrrrrree, Look at us, we're taking so much "Care" of these animals, by Killing unwanted offsprings AT BIRTH, Clamping their Mother to a constricting cage, so she can not move and so the pigs can keep eating, where chicken are forcefully stuffed with food, and where cows are hung upside down and then their throats are slit, so you can beat off to yourself eating meat, lol.
It's like talking to a rapist and trying to explain why rape is bad, or to a pedophile, that fucking little kids is a no-no. Someone who's brain has been so hard-wired into one thought track, where getting off the track would mean Guiltiness, therefore you pick all the theories that support your beliefs, and Ignore the Theories which reject and condemn your actions, lululul
Because Fuck Morality, empathy and compassion toward other lives(which was the main reason for the OP), IM A HUMAN MOTHERFUCKER I DO WHAT I WANT ape scream
There is this thing, where one monkey wants to do the things that the other monkeys are doing around him, and since doing the same things like the other monkeys would make him accepted into the group, the monkey stops thinking and accepts what he sees around himself as the way everything is meant to be, because then, what the monkey thought was good and cool to do, all of a sudden Is not so good and cool, and that would make the monkey look stupid
What a waste of typing time. seriously, lewls.
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Zachary Lockhart There is a difference in pant life, where there is no Nervous system present, a brain. Which gives no emotions or intelligence, they don't bleed to death, not do they cry for mercy, and plants and fruits are built in a way that they are to be eaten and moved to spread the seeds, and when the beans etc are harvested, the plants are already through their lifespan, same goes for grain crops, and a handful of other reasons.
To put it this way : If i cannot avoid "Taking a life", then i will choose the lesser evil. (which again i dispute as being "evil" above.)
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kcvmusic Yes because a vegetarian gives a shit about others, others who don't look like him, lol, and someone who doesn't draw lines between pets/friends, babies and food.
But for you, the almighty meat-eater, The world is for the taking, kill anything that tastes good, butcher it for lunch, and enslave generations of other mammals(and birds) into producing offsprings... err .. i meant .. MEATT !! Huzzaaa !! Go meatbird!! Freedom, etc.
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yonkersfugitive And Mr. yonkersfugitive Still makes bold statements, but as always fails to follow up with a logical reasoning, Come at me bro, explain to me how:
HUMAN LIFE is ABOVE OTHER LIFE, when it's the same "human lives" that spread terrorism, robbery, sex trafficking, slavery, racism, bigotry, ignorance, conformity, etc,etc. and you still think that All Human Life is Above everything else(you didn't say some, so I'll assume all).
Sorry, but not all human lives are equal, and most are NOT-INNOCENT, But i guess you never even gave a Second Thought to the fact that all the animals you kill and eat, ARE INNOCENT, lelelelelelelele.
(next time you respond, add some factual material to your reply.)
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yonkersfugitive Once again, you are unable to understand how an exotic animal who suffers, is AT LEAST Alive. The Beef/Ham you have/will have, DIED because of your demand, After suffering for a lifetime, then little pieces were cut off it's skin and processed into whatever you so love.
Part 2: I would rather have people like that, who at least have empathy for more lives than just humans, unlike most of the people here, who only give a shit about their little bubble world, and the shit that "concerns" them along with maintaining the same mindset as they were taught at childhood.
Of course you Don't give a shit about anything else, because that's what your parents and everyone around taught you, and that's what you accepted to be true and Moral, never to question it again, because that would make you feel like you and everyone around you was wrong and you all just supported this idea by shunning every other.
A world where people Actually think that eating meat makes you a "man" or helps you survive/ makes you tough, or it's perfectly "natural", without understanding the scenario that entails.
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yonkersfugitive Do you know why a giraffe eats leaves? Because that's their only choice, they can't hunt. Why do Lions eat meat, because they are not made to graze on greens.
When it comes to us, "humans", we are built to choose. There are two choices, each WILL have moral attached to it, like everything else, and then would you go on to say that it is RIGHT to kill and eat something because you enjoy it, isn't that what is called murder IF done to a human. Do you realise that there is a moral GREATER than the one set by "society"? Humans often become incapable of seeing through the pre-imposed moral values, which become the defining standard of everything in existence.
So Would you say that taking a life when there is no need of it, a Better Thing to do than to have compassion and empathy, and to see there there is more to other things than just food, for more than just your species?
..Damn.. Guess i got it all wrong, all along.
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yonkersfugitive "You are just stuck in your ways of not killing animals." < that's me.
"You are just stuck in your love of killing animals" < that's you.
And WOW, lol... Is THAT the last thing you want to leave with? That's so fucking ignorant LOL.
"A handful species are not "Extinct" because we raise them so we can kill and eat them, but let's COMPLETELY forget about ALL the fucking animals that DID go extinct because of killing for consumption and hunting (both are still killing,lewl), AT THE SAME TIME, Feeling like you are doing something good by enslaving generations of beings just to slaughter and eat them, and call it a good thing, LOL!!!!!!
See, this is the biggest example of how desperate you are to find shit that will support your dumb thoughts, no matter how arbitrary it may be, lelelele.
Smart guy.
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Tyler Covington Here is the problem: You folk seem to only care for things, of which there are "few numbers left". If there we 10 times more of the same, you suddenly wouldn't care as much, and maybe wouldn't mind taking a bit out of it.
You see, thing is, while growing up you grew in a world where eating certain "things" was "social" and "cultural" etc, and you became desensitised to them, they became nothing more than food and then you also grew up watching endangered animals, so you just react, in the way you became made to react, without thinking even a bit about this whole scenario.
Your Logic (1) : Oh, there's 500000 of them? Ok no problem, we can eat them because there's so many of them, because we have the "right" to raise and kill and eat anything we want(or have someone do it for us), except Humans and pets,etc, because suddenly, we humans are the quantifiers of someone's life's value. LEL..
(2): Oh, there's only 50000 of them left? NO GUYS, LEAVE THEM ALONE #protectormode ! How can you be so inhumane, as to Treat them like trophies and toys and make them suffer but KEEP THEM ALIVE!!!
(3)Suddenly, said endangered species becomes safe : EAT ALL THE SAFE ANIMALS.
It's like their life is just stock for you, if there's less of it, be more careful, if there's plenty, don't give a shit about it, and eat it.
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***** You see, there is this weird biased sentiment, of Empathy, compassion, etc, etc, for the Exotic animals that are endangered.
And suddenly, the same people have no reaction towards the animal who died because of their demands.
It's like how the White masters looked at the slaves, and saw nothing but property and how the Nazis saw the Jews, and saw nothing more than someone below them, to kill.
It's the same sentiment that flows through those people, It's just between two things, based on more than just colour differences.
Why? Do they suddenly feel no pain, simply because you care less for them(or not at all)?
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Tyler Covington You want to tell me, that the animal who kills, steals and rapes, from it's conscious will, and choice, is BETTER than an animal who just tries to live on whatever little it can find and survive on?
And being at such a "high level" of intelligence, you still can't understand: The pain, stress, torture, etc,etc EXISTS IN BOTH, EXOTIC and FARM ANIMALS, because they both are fucking living, sentient beings,lol. You have this weird-ass barrier of nonsense, which stops you from seeing that there is NO difference in the pain they feel, oh, apart from the fact that one IS KILLED!
I would say otherwise.
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N0thofagus Pathetic. So, Mr. Teachmehowtobe here, is telling me that it is better to raise an animal in a farm for all its life and kill it just for food, is BETTER than letting an animal live, and in Mostly BETTER environment.
Somebody here, suddenly thinks that because " Cows, chicken, pig have been Selectively bred for that purpose", they Seem to suddenly FEEL NOTHING, no pain, emotion, stress, panic, No sentience, so It's like their life suddenly matters less, because that's been the "Norm" all this time, LOL. Because i guess they... uh.. are .. well.. just.. well.. Made for us to eat by tha lawd",
Ps. Please stop going for my name, lol. I think it's hilarious. Both, the Name and your response :B
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Joseph Giang Mmmhmmm, now that's a nicely baked comment :B.
That is what i am tryna get through to some special cases here, lel, the fact that we are NOT driven by our instincts and what we were "meant" to do. We have the choice to believe in everything we believe in. The choice to destroy or create. We all have the potential of possessing a mind that thought like nobody before or after it, and that people, if partake in an activity, should acknowledge the whole process, and take responsibility for the perpetuation of it.
That there is a true state of morality, beyond the normal understanding. One that exists before the race of man, and one which will exist long after.
This applies to the unnecessary killing of animals, by enslaving generations of sentient beings and raising and butchering every single one of them... and calling it a moral act(if this is the good/better bit of morality...Is not killing animals the Bad/ worse bit?).. My spidey senses tell me that is kinda messed up :(
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Cam Simo No. I am clearly aware of what's going on. People here are like this ; "Oh, shit that animal seems endangered now, i guess i better look like i give a shit about it." "Oh, there's enough of that species, OK, enslave Billions of them and use them as food, treat them like trash, pretend like they feel nothing, because Freedom modafokazzzzzzZZzz
I just pointed out one aspect that people didn't want to admit.
Yeah, bro, I got a lot of the points.
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dogboy What am I hiding from? If i could lecture all the people here, in a room, if i had the sources and the time, sure i would. Considering the situation, everyone here is "being self-righteous behind the safety of their youtube account".
Of course, Anybody can have morals, doesn't meant their morals are right, even nazis and slave traders and poachers have morals, so do pedophiles. Just because they or a bunch of people like them say so/ think so makes no difference. None of your above mentioned examples saves lives, but your eating habits sure do take them on a daily basis, at the same time having love for certain animals, simply because magical differences which i cannot apparently see.
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Watcheruvdatube yo You Really Don't understand the whole way this works. do you?
You seem to suddenly gain Compassion and empathy for an animal who's "exotic"/"endangered", but lives and DOESN'T GET KILLED AND EATEN.
Whereas, when it comes to OTHER ANIMALS, who also FEEL the Same pain as the "Exotic animals you care about", animals like cow, pig, etc., You seem to have some brainwash switch that clicks, and all the compassion and "care" and "empathy" are nowhere to be seen, lol.
It's like saying Oh yeah, there's just a few Native americans, let's care about them, and kill and eat the asians, because there's so many of them, LOL. (You probably seem to think that we humans are the standard setters of everything, and we are the creators of morality, and life values, but you are wrong. We are just INTERPRETERS.
You probably feel like the cows and pigs and chicken that you ate, all WANTED to die and didn't mind becoming your food, Like you are doing them a favour, Lol.
Nobody cares whether you feel guilt or pride when you eat meat. someone still dies for it everyday, and that doesn't change just because you "feel differently", your emotions don't count for shit in front of someone's life being taken for your joy, time and again, but you can not doubt, neither can you question something you and so many people around you have been doing for so long, because that would make so many people guilty(you included), it feels easier to just ignore it and keep doing what you do and pretend this way until you perish.
Just because a murderer didn't feel bad about killing his victim, it changes NOTHING about the actions that took place and the life that was taken.
In a world where pigs were pets and dogs were in place of bacon, you would Love to eat dog, and would Love to have a Pig for a pet, because you accepted the state of the present world and accepted everything handed to you, to be moral and intrinsic.
You didn't think about what they felt, you just took standards of other monkeys around you, and applied them to your reality, without thinking twice.
Then the same people come here and Try to make themselves feel like better people by telling themselves that they "care" about animals, if not a hypocritical double-standard, then what do i call it?
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johnny blaze You should do more research about the deforestation thing. Yes of course, you can make anything look like a good thing, doesn't change anything though, it is still what it is, even if you love and support it.
No, of course killing someone in self-defense is not wrong, because its DEFENSE, against someone who might have intent to kill, like i kill mosquitoes and cockroaches if they're around me, because i Have a GOOD reason, and it's not because they taste so good, it's because they can pass deadly diseases and Kill you miserably.
I don't call everyone an asshole, but i do to most, for their inability to see themselves as wrong, because they have so many reasons that make them think thay they're right, but all their "facts" are arbitrary BS, made up by them and people around them to.
Example:
Slavery wasn't bad in the south and most of the USA for a long long time, i think. Now, imagine you're one of the slave owners. Would you like people telling you that keeping a slave is bad? Would you let them stop you from keeping your slave ? I'm sure they all had reasons that were good enough for them.
They do it because they are SURE that it is NOT a BAD thing to do, but it's actually their inherent right and it's good for the society, lol.
Do you see the similarities between them and the ignorant ideology that you are a part of, and can't stop, because you have "reasons" or maybe you just enjoy it too much.
Having "pity" for one alive, suffering animal, but then going around eating meat from hundreds others who died, is like Supporting women's right and justice but then being a part-time rapist. Hope you don't find the allegories and analogies too offending, if not, you might see the point :D.
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johnny blaze You eat someone and don't even flinch.
Worse is that your life didn't depend on any of those meals.
Worse is that you and others make expert opinions and moral judgements but the ones who die in the process have no choice whatsoever.
Worse is that we are able to create magical barriers that separate our pets from the ones we eat, and suddenly a dog getting hurt or an "Exotic" animal being captured is more than a few billion other beings that died.
Yes, truly how Altruistic of us humans, to show instant love for other humans (though many of us comprise of murderers etc, still human), to care more for creatures capable of the worst crimes imaginable, than for innocent beings who are just doing as their instincts are telling them.
When the pigs and others die in agony, screaming in those closed doors, i guess you just draw your own scenario where the animal dies perfectly and is happy in doing so, completely failing to notice that even they had a being, they thought things when they grew up in those abattoirs, surrounded by the steel and kicked around on a daily basis, maybe they even stopped thinking, maybe they lost their existence to our machines.
If there was a way, I would distance myself from this race. Alas.
"Where we are now" yes truly, the world is in beautiful condition and everyone is taken god care of. Thanks to the highly acclaimed altruism we possess.
BUT HEY, Fuck that! Team Humans4evr!! WOOHOO!!!
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johnny blaze Good now blame the culture.
India eats a fuck load of animals, mkay? there is a village near where i lived, they kill around 50 cattles in one day, as a sacrifice to some god, and then eat all the meat. "waa waaa, my culture made me eat meat, waa waa, i was so helpless and now i can't help it". I was raised in a caste system, but i have rejected it entirely, i can sit and whine, " oh damn, i wanna treat these people better, but my caste system says to treat them as less than that, guess i had no choicezzz". Fucking grown ass adults playing victims lol.
"these problems are being solved" Yeah, the problems of how to make the animals so fat that they can't even stand. Again, your moral shitgiving is only limited to the treatment of animals, whatever your standards of treatment might be. You still wanna eat them so you won't stop, your personal temporary joy is above their lives.
Look, Pal, dude, bro, No matter what you say or pretend like you do, you are ALWAYS going to be a part of this pointless genocide. Maybe that's why you have stopped caring and started enjoying. Some day, when people will be smarter, they will look back at their dumb ancestors and how they used to preach about how eating meat was the shit to do and laugh.
Lol, "dream world". You might be one of those people who still think we live in some badass hardcore nature world where its kill or be killed or something.
Of course you know what you're talking about, doesn't verify anything you know as correct. Even Hitler knew what he was talking about, so did Stalin and Benito, does it make a difference, no it doesn't, because you only need say you are right and nothing can change it if you are stubborn enough.
This is the ultimate conclusion: Yeah, sureee, let's for a second, suppose killing billions of animals each year for the lols isn't evil. Still, no matter WHAT you do, NOT Being a part of this act will ALWAYS be a better thing to do, which inversely means the latter is MORE EVIL, no matter by what degree, so YEAH, i do feel like i am a better person, just like you exclude the thoughts of people who care more, i can negate you out, make you count as a non-factor in changing my viewpoint.
Nonetheless, tell your children that it's better to kill and eat animals than it is to not, Otherwise your children might realise that you're an asshole who lied to them just to look like a better person.
Go ahead live as you will and believe as may suit you, there is all eternity for this realisation to happen, you are not significant enough and neither am I.
AND STOP MAKING ME REPLY NOW! :C
*Peace out 420 ignite it.*
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Mr.BrYcE Feed yourself some reality check, you look a little delusional. Humans are perfectly capable of living separated from "nature", you guys just wanna sit on your couch and pretend like life is all tough and its kill or be killed, etc,etc, all that indoctrinated macho bullcrap,lol. But of course we know you won't. Because you will think ; " meh, it's just another veggie guy on the internet, I obviously know more, he's just stupid, i don't need to listen to him, I shouldn't Listen to him". That's how it's been so long, and it's saved you from having to change your mind or doubt yourself. But, I doubt you will change after seeing this, because humanity's propensity to chase self concocted fairy tales where they are the heroes over that of admitting fault.
ez-pz.
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MoMoneyLessProblemz You call someone else's life, your property, it's whole existence, just to be processed into little bits which become your food.
Just because you raise something, doesn't give you power over it to do what you will. It's so fucking messed up when people send parents to jail for beating a child(which is ok), but are so damn blind to the suffering of anything not human, they eat things that died for them everyday, completely blind to that, but then pretend to be "moral" when looking at humans. I find it to be one of the worst things one could accept as OK. lol I find that to be pathetic to the core, worse yet, it's JUSTIFIED, lelele.
I'll be honest with you, unlike most of the world; You didn't need to eat them, you don't need to eat the ones you are about to, they all suffered their WHOLE LIFE, separated from their environment, then died, It is in NO WAY lighter than an "Exotic" animal 'suffering' life. Everybody is the good guy in their own minds, because they have justified it, why else do you think everyone's doing the things they are?
Put any statement in front of me, anything. I WILL show you how even THAT is a good thing to do, and I will show you how warped this world is capable of becoming, in the process of warping evil to good.
It's gonna be fun.
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The peace maker Ultimately, you still somehow feel like you are entitled to the life of someone else, billions of them, just so you can get more protein, also, that is a Study, not a scientific proof. I am perfectly fine, never having put chicken in my mouth.
You are OK with someone dying, and see mto care more about it being 'ethical' which is fucking bullshit because you are blind to the animal suffering, because it ALWAYS SUFFERS AND DIES, how the fuck ethicallity comes into play, I cannot see. Keep it up, keep gettin da proteinzzz. I bet you're all muscular and fit because you are all that protein and I must be a 5 foot twig, lol.
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The peace maker Of deer jesus, please show this person that it thinks that just because the animal living in the farm, lived a "good" life (by the owner and the consumer's limited perspective and self derived standards), these folks suddenly have the right to kill it whenever they want.
Here, let me break it down for you: Imagine, somehow you can feel what the animal must be thinking(yes, surprise, they all can think), you actually are dense enough to convince yourself that THE ANIMAL WOULD BE WILLING TO BE KILLED SO YOU COULD EAT IT.
Anddddd I actually did 'own' a few 'pets', none of whom were tied down, and were never forced to go anywhere, 2 of the dogs who i had, were actually strays, who we gave food to, and they stuck around, until they died natural deaths. Something you can't even imagining happening.
That's fuckin' messed up, it really is, there's nothing confusing about it, you just can't comprehend it, because it contradicts your delusion.
Only one real outcome is possible; you being wrong. You can't put up any argument as to why you have the right to kill another sentient being without their permission, because you will be justifying murder, unnecessary murder, simple.
Everything you need to acknowledge your actions, is written above, too bad, facing reality and maintaining a delusion are such voluntary choices, Lel.
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PaddyDogg Actually, I am Not killing someone and they are ( Again, do not think plants are the same as animals, this will change when you do your research). HOW does that not make me a better person, Lol?
Like how you go tell child abusers, etc, to stop hitting their kids and harassing them, and they can be like "Yo, bro, Live and let die".
It might not make them bad in your eyes, or even lets say magically, the eyes of every human. They(you) ARE STILL Pointlessly butchering billions and That action is not gonna disappear, you can pretend it's not bad, but How does your brain fail to process the fact that Killing someone everyday is actually a bad thing and NOT killing someone every single day, IS a good thing. Oh, that's right, because changing your thoughts make you a shitty person and you're too lazy to face that, kek.
Why are the Nazis bad? Who cares if the Jews died, right? They don't come up to yo face and tell you what to do. You weren't one of them. Live and let die, bruuuh.
Terrorists aren't bad, YOU just think they are, they don't give you shit for whatever shit you do, Live n let die, bruuuhh.
I mean, The phrase sounds cool and badass, but it's just counter-productive and not very thoughtful.
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projectvipe I see you live in a civilised society with abundance of food and shelter, yet you like to pretend like you're some hunting animal, check.
And don't drag my definition of 'humane' into the same lot as your filthy self-suiting ideology where anything can become humane if enough idiots have something to get from it, check.
I'm just gonna conclude that you either don't remember information or just ignore everything, because you have to be a real typical dumbass to think that YOU (not some hunter in africa, not some hyena or crocodile), actually believe that eating meat is the only way to find required amounts of protein.... B12? LOL!!! My Fucking CORN FLAKES AND TOFU HAS B12, you... you angel.
So, once again, to clear some of the ignorance muck on your head; You are delusional, and from the lack of actual facts, I can tell that you have literally never read anything other than a meat-humping blogger's posts.
Here's the thing; Believe in whatever you want to, for however long you want to, because you are the one who will stay and die an ignorant idiot, also spreading it around in your life-time, one among billions before you, what a pile of delusion, and the saddest part is, you won't even notice, lol.
But hey, Iooking at the way you post, with such unsubstantiated conviction, and no clue about it, I really don't think you're gonna change,
Allah Bless your Sole and Jesus Massage your Thighs.
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projectvipe Yes, of course, you are the 190 Centimerer tall, Apex hunter Super ripped muscle guy with 6-packs who can participate in Quantum mathematics and do a full split because you and your grandmas and pas ate some dead goat and chicken. You have done literally zero research to understand the evolution of historical agricultural practices.
Even total bullshit is fact, if you put a big enough idiot in front of it, an idiot who's desperate enough to find conviction in self.
So delusional as to think that The Brain evolved because some fucks ate MEAT, not because of the collective intelligence of the human species and the keeping of records and transfer of previously gathered knowledge and archiving of experiences.
WOWOWOW, so People became INTELLIGENT and FIT, because they ATE MEAT?
Alright cool,* let's believe that for a second*.
Now; If eating meat makes you smarter, more physically superior, then how come the tribals in africa aren't smarter than anyone or physically superior in every way than everyone who doesn't eat meat, they probably eat tons more than any of you pussies do. and how come all my family aren't mentally handicapped and incapable of moving a single limb.
How come 30% of USA is OBESE, and that's OBESE, not overweight, that's, that's another Percentage. How come Half of the world still believes in God?
*Tl;DR => My summary of you, and other's of your mindset; You, like most people I know, use the actions of your ancestors, and 'Human Nature' to do the things that you like, simply because of the personal pleasure you get, not because of need, but you like to tell yourself and each other that it is needed, because it just makes things easier. You like to think that there is a certain way a human is to be, again, simply because it helps your little bubble grow stronger.
Ultimately losing the ability to consciously choose who you become and what you do, because you 'inherit' the delusion of humanity from your parents, etc.* Talk about self entitling species, lol.
*At the same time condemning Rape, murder, theft, slavery, racism, discrimination, etc,etc, when they are a MORE DEEPER aspect of "HUMAN NATURE", and the actions of "Your ancestors". Lol, funny.
But hey, don't change, just stick around people who will suck your lie if you suck theirs, and just play along, you will never have to change. have fun, we're done here. <3 :D.
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Corey Lisle Once again, If the only reason you have for doing something is because someone before you did it, there's a pile of fucked up shit that I can justify, and you can't open your fucking mouth against it, because you use the same basis for justifying all the shit you do. BUT, of course it is pointless to argue with someone who has just gobbled up arbitrary ideas and created separations amongst different lives to suit its construction of a life.
Some random animal who, suddenly, almost magically, sees distinction between a cow and a dog and a pig and a cat and a human, if someone is so Blind to the reality of their actions that they have to make up shit to feel better about themselves, lol. I feel scared for the animals around you, haha. You really shouldn't bother again, with your crude vegan mockery and meat humping ideology, and yet regardless of that, you are so confident, topkek.
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projectvipe So do people, go ahead, take a bite, how do you know you won't like it, if you've never tried it, heck you'll get everything the human body needs, lol.
This is your attitude: "Oh, look, there is evil in the world, meh, guess I can't do anything about it, Might as well become a part of the crap while I'm here, instead of building my existence.
"Shit dies all the time." That doesn't justify all the extinctions brought by humans(your kind of mindset), just because nature does it itself.
Lol, now you Actually use "NATURE", something that has no brain, happens from environmental actions and reactions, to justify YOUR actions, something with a brain and the CHOICE to do or not do something, but I guess that's not the case for you, because you just go with the flow, kewl.
peace out baby <3.
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PaddyDogg I do realise how pointless(well, not entirely still) this all is, but, there people with open ears and eyes, and im mostly high, so why not? :B. I also learnt more about why I am a vegetarian, first it was just family, that changed. So this also helps me see what other people think, because on the internet, the real opinions come out... and often assholes.
You see, I know biology has made us capable of digesting cooked meat, but it has also made us capable of raping and murdering and thinking horrendous thoughts about everything, plundering, etc, etc. So, if I am to choose to do something, especially take a life, I will not base that decision off my 'biology', It's a conscious choice. If Biology Literally Hardcoded eating meat into human dna, then There would not be hundreds of million people, who have no desire to even look at meat, let alone eat it.
But what facts you take into consideration and acknowledgement, depend on you, and nobody else can do anything about it except show you.
I gone dun written nother essay dern.
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projectvipe Lol, again, unsubstantiated "facts". Why stop the slavery trade? The slavers are out of a Job, why stop the Reich, the Nazis are out of a job, again, for you anything can make sense, so why not, keep going. People lose their jobs and will always lose their jobs, apparently you are crying about employment, weren't you the "everything dies, so stop bein a pussybitch" guy, what happened? Oh, never mind, must be the usual double standards again.
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Sam Hillman (it's long, but read it, or.. well It's gonna feel like a waste of time lel)
You can respect the dignity of women, and still rape them, you can respect black people, and still enslave them. To humans, seemingly, their own ideas and the beliefs seem to take precedence of everything else.
Who cares what you think, your thoughts don't count for anything to cover your actions. Doesn't the hypocrisy ever hit you? When your brain shows love to some animals, but never wants to eat them (humans, dogs, cats, babies, and its suddenly able to create magical distinction between said creatures, and segregates them. Can I come into your house, kill everyone and eat them? Hey, I'll be sure that I have respect and dignity for them, you will probably forgive me then, since you forgive yourself each time.
It's not a surprise, most of the world does this, it's typical human behaviour, and usual bending of facts and reality to suit your own construct. But heck, most of the world believes there's a flying old geezer in the sky/heaven, so.
Bro, you're not fooling anyone else in the end. The whole point is to stop clouding reality with what you want it to be and to accept your actions for what they DO, not what you THINK of them. On your deathbed, do you really wanna, maybe at that point, realise everything you did? But what can you do then?(this happens). It's gonna be like an episode of Punk'd, but you will have punk'd yourself, for your whole life, and there's nobody else to blame.
______Moving to the point of respecting earth and only taking what you need to survive_____ : Remember first, just be honest to yourself, you don't have to think outloud, so just don't lie to yourself.
Now, every time you killed an animal for food, was it the only thing you could eat or you would die? Was there food on the shelves? was there food in the fridge? was there food in the supermarket? No? Well, then you have disgraced your beliefs, by lying to yourself.
You don't get to use the excuses of the natives and other present tribals, who had/have nothing else to survive on, and LITERALLY, THEIR VERY LIVES DEPENDED ON IT, on the hunting.
Let me tell you why you are susceptible to delusion : Look around you, around the world, you see those people pretending to talk to god and feeling like they're being touched by ghosts and gods,etc? You are made up of the same things, and so am I. I really hope, that you face a time where you rebuild your ideas, and not inherit the ideas of those before you, who just (even though unknowingly) pass their ignorance and delusions down to you and you just take them as word and never question it.
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Sam Hillman Every elk, every hare, every deer, every hen, every fish, You thank and You honour... Well good for you, But hundreds of animals died, and for what? A person who gets to eat three meals a day, "sacrificed" them, and then told himself that they were for his "survival". I've lived in a SECOND WORLD COUNTRY all my life, in Some mountain village, where we didn't even have electricity half of the time, and I MANAGED to never kill anything to "survive", so how is it so hard for everyone else? Lol.(I did kill ants who entered my house and spiders, when i was little, because I was phobic, but not anymore, because I Prefer to be wrong once and correct myself than pretending to be right the whole time.)
Ok here's a funny scenario: Imagine, all the animals that you rescued, imagine if someone somehow, told them everything you did with the other animals, I wonder, if you could understand them, what would they say? :|
The very fact that you can't see through your self-preservation, can't understand their emotions, can't actually see what you are doing even after decades, day in day out, and actually prefer to go through the trouble of making up random 'reasons' instead, tells me enough about your love for nature.
It's like this : "Nobody's racist, in a group that only consists of racist people, who are racist to others." Only the people outside their delusion can point at them and say "Those people are fkin racist yo." Because the ones outside, have acknowledged and stopped, actively.
Same goes for a group of hunters/meateater/etc,. OF COURSE, you won't Be a bad guy and nobody will scrutinize you, in a group of people who do the same things as you and condone the same actions, because it supports each other's delusions and in turn, your's. And when I step outside that mentality, and Look at you, from the Point of view of the animals you Pointlessly kill, and the Crap you spew to defend it, sickens me, but worse yet, kills around 56 BILLION innocent animals, EVERY YEAR, I'm sure mother nature would be proud.
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bob bobo No you're not. Mosquitoes kill people, bacteria kill people, people slip on ice and die, people overdose on drugs and die, people die to stds(also live organisms).
Stop being delusional, and blaming your "nature" which everyone is fully in control of but just pretend to not be, so they can justify all the filthy shit they do, happened since the apes, and now even after becoming human and able to live with such ease, yet still pretending to be part of some wild cycle where it's kill or be killed, sitting behind a computer screen and a warm home and easy food, lol, don't make me laugh.
Idiot thoughts(sorry but true), like this are what perpetuate the delusional animality of humans today. IF WHAT OUR ANCESTORS DID, JUSTIFIES IT FOR US TO DO, WHY DON'T YOU GO RAPE AND MURDER DIFFERENT LOOKING PEOPLE, BECAUSE THAT'S WHAT THEY DID, GO. (Hey, if you can't apply your logic to this, then you shouldn't apply that logic to killing animals and then pretending like you have no control over it.
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bob bobo m8, just because its food to you, doesn't change its being, yeah. YES< OF COURSE I AM sitting behind all this comfort, that's why i have the balls to ACKNOWLEDGE that I have it so fucking easy, I don't need to kill anything to live, YOU JUST PROVED MY POINT, Lol.
" Fact is there is not enough land on the planet to grow veggies for everyone, so many would starve to death by your logic" LOL WHAT?
YOU DO REALISE that MORE LAND goes into FEEDING the Very fucking animals that you kill and eat, and you only get a FRACTION of the "veggies" that you fed to the animals that you raised to kill, and only around 50% of the animal is EDIBLE, Go do some fucking research, before calling it "FACT". That's the problem with you creatures.
You've just been fed so much shit by your little worlds, that you think that you are entitled to everything on this planet, you just want free credit and to feel powerful, but having done nothing to prove it.
But hey, what do I care, stay in this delusion and die in it, and you'll never have to face anything, and you'll be happy, Like the billions before you, who died in delusions, from god to this.
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The peace maker (first, this comment, someone had reported it as spam apparently, just restored it, so replying now)
Alrighty, So I will first, give my reasons( which are not arbitrary, because they have a non-selfish cause). :
1: My morals include every sentient life, because as biology shows, other animals are built like me,and suffer like me, possess a nervous system like me(This is what gives you your consciousness, then what would you suggest, to be the Inhibitor of emotions and pain for other animals? . I do kill beings, like mosquitoes and cockroaches, that too, only because they work as mediums of Diseases( especially if you're living in India, lol)..
2: I do not do it out of religion or some indoctrination. That is a pathetic reason to not kill something.. "just because someone/god told you not to". I do it, Because I(and you, and 95% of the human world), LITERALLY, have a choice of Tens of thousands of products, which nobody had to suffer/die for, and to just walk into a store and buy and eat them. Nobody dies any day, just because I felt like having a snack.
3: You are wrong about only monkeys and dolphins having 'consciousness'. I'll put links below. Also, If you might have, by any accident, read René Descartes' notes on animals, that guy was/is an idiot. It's like a priest saying " Boom ya'll been blessed " and suddenly everyone feels blessed, because it supports their mindset.
4 The BIGGEST THING, Choice. WE, Unlike ANY other animal, have the ability to GROW our own food, the Ability to CHOOSE what we eat and HOW many times we eat, etc,etc and in tonnes and tonnes, we can cultivate fucking land, we can HELP every species on this planet, and fix it, which no other species can do CONSCIOUSLY. Yet we choose to Enslave(this is what happens, nothing else), torture, mentally abuse them, oh and then hang them upside down, and kill them, because some animal thinks it needs to kill to live. thinks not knows. They bleed the same fkin blood, have you heard them scream? man...
Now, I'll just post a few links. They're not to buy your sympathy, or any other arbitrary thing. If you go to these links, and do choose to stop now, DO NOT do it because I compelled you to, do it because you finally understand and Choose to do it, understanding your actions, you will start seeing the others as more than just flesh and bones, food.
(all this from a non-spiritual, non-religious, etc person)
Links:
Animal Consciousness: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_consciousness#Cambridge_Declaration_on_Consciousness
Wasteful farming of animals, when the land could be used to feed the hungry: http://www.peta.org/issues/animals-used-for-food/meat-wastes-natural-resources/ ( yeah, its peta, i don't enjoy them too much myself, but this is data.)
animal 'treatment' : http://www.dailymotion.com/video/xe0x5v_if-slaughterhouses-had-glass-walls_animals (The video does consist of some suggestive sad sound, but ignore that, because all of them still suffered all their lives and then died.. well almost died sometimes their neck would be cut so they'd just hang there helplessly, and you should see how)
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Sam Hillman It is also in our beliefs that on the first day, god made the something and then something and then I think us, and we are the image of god, and We are entitled to everything on this planet, and anyone of different skin colour, we ARE ENTITLED to make them our slaved for whatever time we want, and all that shit, many humans also believe that the earth is in the middle of the universe, etc,etc. *I WOULDN'T GIVE MUCH CREDIT TO HUMAN BELIEFS, LOL* ... Remember those beliefs when over 6 million jews were systematically slaughtered by Some germans, who Believed that the jews were lower to them somehow, and that gave them the right.
What if it's in my and my friend's beliefs, that human babies are meant to give us life if we eat their hearts, lol.. ALso, that mother nature gives us women to enjoy and use as however we want, would you stop me ? Why? Isn't my belief equal to yours? And why stop the terrorists and the ISIS? They have equally perfect beliefs, and seem to follow pretty strictly on them, lol.
TELL ME,WHAT is it that makes you think that what goes on in your brain defines the reality, and how do their screams never reach your ears, Tell me WHY! lol..
Anybody who never questions their beliefs, had no right to defend or preach them. Pronto. :D
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The very fact that people see no moral implications rising from this systematic slaughter, it explains how a whole country could so easily, turn to holocaust, genocide, systematic racism, segregation, profits over ethics, etc, it paints such a clear picture of human nature, and people preference of blindly following it rather than consciously choosing action and effect.
Makes me more hopeless for the future, than angry.
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Morris Falker Just admit you do it because you love the taste and can't be bothered if you have to kill a few here n there for it, simple, don't feed shit to yourself, so much so that you get addicted to it and nothing else makes sense to your self-preserving, cognitively dissonant brain. Who are you to draw the difference between the life of a 'chicken or cow' and a rare 'bird or dolphin', you views already tell me you've never bothered reading a page about the nervous system.
You simply have a hypocritical view of organisms and in turn, morality as a whole, to suit your behaviour instead of learning from reality. You're full of double standards, and I even doubt that a brain which holds ideas and justifications as yours, can even understand any of this without passing out.
What a disgrace that someone else has to come and teach you this, because you could never bother yourself, but still have the arrogance to come and talk, just keep it in your little head till you're dead, remember, do not spread. You want a nice treatment? lol.
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Sara Boice According to this person, The guy who doesn't think humanity is superior to everything, is the guy who's "FULL of HIMSELF", and This Sara, who thinks she's entitled to anything that can't talk back, think she's the "HUMBLE one" Lol.
Listen to me, There is no god, or at least not your idea of it, so NOTHING has a PURPOSE, Nothing was designed with a "plan", please let's keep that lunacy out.
WTF, do you actually think that All animals (humans too, get used to it, that's what you are), actually eat food because of some "order"? No, They eat because they will DIE if they don't.
UNLIKE you, who eats because it loves the taste and doesn't care( of fucking course it doesn't care, because it's leading to the fucking genocide of animals, which is pretty fucking obvious, lol).
"Natural Logic" Lol, 0 facts. typical.
Of course you will ENJOY your meat, That's what it's all about.
All that other crap about "it being healthy" or "natural order" or "purpose of us" and all that crap, is Full of shit, you just love the taste, and couldn't care less where it came from, since you already don't know, Peace out, simpleton, good luck lying to yourself for the rest of your pitiful, gluttonous, self-centred existence.*
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LupusLupus I'll just repeat myself; yes, we have 'evolved' to eat meat and plants, *but since you are justifying something simply on the basis of 'us being evolved' for it, will also have you justify this;
"I am stronger than women, I am made to use strength, I am made to subdue women and rape them to spread my genes, because I am evolved to do this".
You justify an action, SIMPLY BECAUSE you feel like you were made for it' ? No. You are wrong. EVERY ACTION, outside your physical functions, which goes outwards, IS UNDER YOUR CONTROL and You choose and wish upon the death of every animal who dies for your 'survival' or should I say, Lunch breakfast dinner, ah the Cruel cruel human environment, the abundance of food, the lack of predators, you could live, Literally by doing nothing and collecting social security, and that's not even the minimum, but you know that and continue to kill animals, simply because of their taste.
*You can make a cow digest meat, doesn't mean it's good, OH AND I ALMOST FORGOT ABOUT MORAL IMPLICATIONS, DO THEY EVEN EXIST FOR YOU FOLK? Well, Maybe some of it does, but pitifully, it is limited to the same specie, because of the benefits you can reap by showing other humans how much you love them, I wonder if you people realise, how fake their emotions are, how full of holes your morality is. *
"Apparently, mother nature seems to be a good enough excuse to deliberately torture, kill and eat animals because you love the taste, BUT not good at all, when it comes to raping women out of instinct and that's not even killing them." Explain this.
Someone's life is apparently worth more than some 'vital nutrients' to you, and if you actually wanted to be as healthy as you can, you would have put in more physical and habitual effort to be so, Instead you jump to eating animals and telling yourself "hey, it's ok, since it is.. healthy. yeah, ok."
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Also, you are not "superior" to other animals. Lol, Self Delusional and Plain Hubris. People die to fucking bacteria and viruses, and die to mosquitoes MORE than to other people, die to tripping off things, die to doing some of the stupidest shit the planet's seen, hahaha. Do you even understand how evolution works? Everything that exists now is perfect in its existence, Pathetic to see humans using THEIR limited understanding, to assess EVRRY OTHER SPECIES, as LOWER.
Wow, man, go do something meaningful, instead of basking in self-ignited DELUSIONS about yourself and the other 7 bil.
Holy shit how full of themselves are people here really?
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LupusLupus Plants don't have Nervous systems, *literally the thing that gives you emotions, thought, being, SENTIENCE. In that sense, Even ROCKS and Dirt have feelings, Lol. How can you have lived for so long, and NEVER ONCE, bothered to spend 5 minutes reading an article on the internet which tells you the truth, so what if it's not convenient?
Of course, just by me sitting on my chair right now, it might lead to events where someone might die some day somewhere, BUT, I have no way of knowing what my actions in that sense will do, which is really not even close to being the same, how did you see a connection? It's like saying "Oh, since you can't save every body, why even bother since it's not 100.00% suffering free, let's not even bother to try, let's just start killing everyone else while we're at it".. Come on, you can do better than that.
There's an obvious difference between getting into a random car accident(people who don't kill animals despite having no contribution to survival), and Actively Running the car into 50 people knowing what you are doing(people who do).
...But You DO Know what your actions will do, and they are DELIBERATE, and have nothing to do with your survival, a vegan is proof, no need to feed yourself lies any more.
Last thing, The animals you eat, were also FED PLANTS, and Multiple Times MORE than the meat they produce (get my drift?), The Same plants which could be used to feed STARVING PEOPLE, think about that too.
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LupusLupus Actually no, Male animals do use force for mating, and people do it too, I'm not saying that's a justification, I used your principles to compare it.
Btw, humans mostly FAILED(And still do in the tribes of Amazon etc) hunting attempts, and many often died early of injury(Excavated bodies prove this), you can already see by comparing yourself to a wild beast, you and me and everyone else, are nothing compared to them, humans mostly scavenged, until later in time when inventions were made, so Evolution-wise, "You didn't evolve to hunt, you evolved to build tools and think morally, and to care about more than just yourself or your group, but I guess that's not happening".
Another thing, my compassion for life isn't "Worthy", it's just something that "makes me not kill billions of animals on the excuse of animality and apparently uncontrollable urges" and i CHOOSE it, unlike you, who just thinks that it is something that's just there and it's just meant to be like that, it's in the genes and and might as well pretend like there's no moral implications despite how obvious it is.
Or maybe you just use it as justification to eat something you love to eat and don't really care, so make the whole idea about caring to be pointless, to solve your cognitive dissonance.
Such a thing as "mother nature" doesn't exist for me, it is MY CONSCIOUS CHOICE, to DO and NOT DO the things in my existence, I don't pretend to be a helpless animal who can't control anything and is just running around on impulses and urge to consume and kill, You still somehow think that IT IS BETTER TO KILL BILLIONS OF ANIMALS EVERY YEAR, AND PRETEND LIKE ITS A GOOD THING THAN TO JUST LEAVE THEM THE FUCK ALONE AND HELP THEM INSTEAD. Something is fucked up about that.
What a wasted existence, spent on a delusion of "surviving" in a world where you don't have to do shit, the safest animal on earth, pretends everyday, like life is so fucking hard, I could literally, do nothing all my life, and get by, How many times have you had to fight of a predator to survive Lol??!!
People just like to pretend like their lives are something else and basking in it all their lives, than trying to understand reality and trying to maintain a LESS FUCKED UP VERSION of it.
Culture is bullshit and does not justify any action, because in its core, it is just some stupid hobby or act done by a bunch of people somewhere that just got popular. How the fuck does someone justify anything on that?
But of course you will, your mind is trying to build a dam against reality, and any lie will do, as long as it is on your side.
Your Delusion of Sentience is limited to humans, because your Ability to understand animals, is SO LIMITED, further enforced by the need to find excuses which justify your actions, yet you have the gall to ASSERT that you Are the only ones with sentience, even in the moment of an animal being butchered, It crying with blood coming out of its eyes, yet you cannot see a face there, I cannot fathom the deliberate blindness of that mind,
YET IT GOES ON TO TELL ME, THAT IT FEELS FOR THE ANIMALS, LOL!
That's like raping women and saying "Yeah, but I respect them ok and I don't kill them even"
Or like Yeah I fuck little kiddos and beat nigeros, but I RESPECT THEM so fuck moral implication, because a little idea in my head is more important Than MY ACTIONS WHICH KILL DAILY
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LupusLupus No Lions aren't "superior" to Gazelle LOL, THE GAZELLES OUTNUMBER THE LIONS BY MULTIPLES, So who the fuck do you think is winning, OF COURSE, The one who eats the meat, because that's who you relate to and that's the only one who can be right for you.
LOL, You Bend fucking logic like it's beckham, "X kill Y, X is superior", "Lions kill gazelle, Lions are superior.. Ok, let's say that for now"
"MOSQUITOES kill Humans,.... wait.. hmm wtf.. cannot compute cannot compute FUCK YOU, HUMANS ARE SUPERIOR BECAUSE I SAID SO"
= Logic
Your mentality is do hubris holy shit, wow fucking fuck, what am I wasting my time on this for again?
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LupusLupus No you don't. Don't be a fucking idiot who can't read the facts.
No control over temperature, no control over 99.999999% of the universe, no control over Own Obesity (let alone the environment LOL), No control over own greed, weakness, age, idiocy, ignorance, etc,etc,etc.
Yo, go get educated before you speak.
http://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/mosquitoes-kill-more-humans-human-murderers-do-180951272/?no-ist
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LupusLupus For the last fucking time, I don't do shit out of instinct. You know what you do out of your "delusion of an instinct", you can't even help yourself from putting someone's flesh in your mouth and chewing on it, so far that you have to come up with fake bullshit to support that lie everyday, "intelligent animal" my ass, bahahaha.
You are wrong here too, I understand Perfectly what you're saying and how you see things, It's easy to see that point of view when there's so many in this world, but I just find it to be so stupid, fake, self-affirming and desperate, that I Consciously(not sure whether you heard of this word) choose not to be like you, the one who goes with the fad, fuck, if you were born in nazi germany, or slave america,or even the raping marauding pillagers of Mongolia, you probably woulda had a good time, since your brain can perfectly fit into the design of a SELF-supremacist, but taking it just a FEW STEPS AHEAD, INSTEAD OF OTHER HUMANS, COMMIT GENOCIDE OF OTHER ANIMALS and since you lack the ability to understand them, you can pretend that they don't suffer, niceeeeee What a dysfunctional brain, Lelelelelele
I actually do have better English understanding than you do, because the very definition of words for you, warps to fit your delusion.
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LupusLupus You are wrong when you say "humans come first and everything else second, just like most animals." Example: Human dies trying to save dog. Example: Dogs die to save human companion.
Go watch a video.
You just pretend like it's all just a part of this 'natural' machine, that killing and dying just happens so it's ok to make it worse. People like you are the same people who destroy the whole environment, because "Humans come first". The SAME IDEOLOGY as you. You might wanna think about the kind of person you actually are, not the one you think yourself to be.
I do not owe anyone any respect, especially not to people who act like victims of biology and just go on killing and eating and enslaving, all the while, condoning the living shit out of it, lol.
Since everyone owes everyone respect according to you, Respect the ISIS, respect the Terrorists everywhere, Respect The Nazis, and the slavers, Etc. If not, then stop saying that and learn what a double standard is, and how it makes an idiot out of oneself.
I understand my kin and it sickens me, that the most intelligent animal would go on killing innocent creatures because they feel like it and because they lack the understanding of animal behaviour, pretending to be helpless, again if billions of people can believe in god and all that shit, this all doesn't seem all too crazy, lol
Fuck my kin, lol. my existence doesn't belong to anyone else's ideas, at least not if they're unsubstantiated bs, simply created to make oneself feel better.
You are losing your one single tiny chance of existing, to someone's idea of what a human is supposed to be. AND ultimately leaving a pile of dead animals who suffered all their life because of you for your coming generations to look at in disgust. A person who couldn't give more of a shit about anyone else, as long as the animals his life depended on were not kicking him out.
Have fun with it, I'm done here.
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LupusLupus No, you had it wrong. I don't exactly do it out of empathy, Empathy just SHOWS me that the animal is suffering, bleeding, thinking and dying, and for the taste habits of some other animals, NOT because they will starve to death.
It's not that "I am judgemental towards lots of people", its more like "I am against one ideology, that just happens to be adapted by a lot of people", there's causal difference.
Everything Ultimately means Nothing, therefore You mean as much as nothing, as a rat running around sewers of Paris, and as I amount to nothing as well, but in the moment that I am here, I prefer to NOT cause anymore suffering than there is, and you choose to perpetuate it since you feel like it's always been there and will always be there and just enjoy the taste and can't care, but prefer to hold an argument just to feel morally astute.
And the last bit you wrote tells me just as much.
I believe this is as much as could come out of this, therefore we are Done here. Enjoy eating someone's son and someone's dead mother.
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LupusLupus "I never said I eat it for the taste".... I quote: "And I will have fun with my juicy steak cooked in chicken fat, wearing my bacon scarf. ", did you say this explaining how it sustains you? Come on, lol, Read about "DoubleThinking". This is fact: We don't need to kill them like the humans before us, and yet we go on saying that we do. It's just easier to acknowledge the REAL OUTCOME, which is Death and Suffering, not matter how you look at it, the Other animals still get tortured, and then Betrayed by the same people who raised them, Imagine experiencing that (and they do, there's proof, like the video I showed you, to think that they can have morality, but no feelings or emotions, how preposterous is that? >.>
Heck, you don't even have to tell me whether you understand it better, as Long as you make an actual change in your reality and the way you impact other lives daily, remember, it's better to not care and leave others alone, than to Care and to cause perpetual suffering.
But yeah, I'm glad too, something came out of the talk, and I found some more stuff too, so thanks.
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LupusLupus It is true that it is a very convenient source of protein and other important nutrients, but you must revaluate how you allow it to not apply to humans and certain animals in a way, it's pretty interesting to start realising how the mechanism works in our brains(which is 'us'). You should also consider comparing the price they have to pay for your convenience. Btw, most meat products, don't exceed around 30% protein. While Wheat gluten possesses around 90% protein content, I hope you see that and add it to the equation of rationalisation.
It's about empathy, but it's also about gaining a clear state of being and understanding of the range of your actions and it's impact behind doors, where nobody suffers pointlessly, if everyone stops, at least humanity can rid itself of the unnecessary evil. People say they are a part of nature, but who enslaves and kills nature on a daily basis. they couldn't be less connected >.>..
But yeah, take sometime to think about it, to view the perspective of the other side and what we see from here, to understand yourself better, and to actually realise what things you need to do and don't need and what are just baggage of the human attachment.
yeapp, good talk, glad something perhaps productive manifested, remember, your body might be limited to the human perspective and cognition, but your mind is not, so that can help get perspective, even if just 1% of its real experience, it's still more than 0, hehe, cya. :v
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king sauron And why exactly is that so? Do you like saying things without any factual support? Or just like copy-pasting the same typical baconhead response of "vegetarian high horse", Lol. I'm not denying that I am better than you, that's already visible from our actions, now let's talk about why you're wrong.
Remember, you're using wild animals to justify your civilised human behaviour. If you keep sticking to the "it's nature and we're wild n shit so it's right", Then I'll just replace the word eat meat, with rape, or slavery. and It'll make sense, in the same way you feel you do.
Remember, the same people like you, had blacks as slaves, and killed the natives by the millions, so that should hint at your propensity to discriminate and demean others.
(waiting for reasons on how it is different to kill an animal... well, with another animal, ofc.
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LupusLupus About the superiority over all other animals, can you tell me what reason you use for that?
Also, to give you some context : Cyanobacteria ; blue-green algeas have lived on this planet from the time when life began around 3.5 BILLION years ago, and 'we' have existed as homo sapiens, for only around 100,000 years, that is if you don't love all the religious Horsepoop.
I already gave the Mosquito example here before, I guess. heard about Tardigrades?
You might long be extinct, and the cyanobacteria and other forms of life won't even know that you existed, that's how 'perfect'/ 'superior' humans are, but hey, at least it was fun thinking like that, and felt like we 'mean' something more, even if none of it's true ;).
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king sauron Oh.My.Fucking.Judas.! DID ANYONE ELSE READ THIS YET?!!!@@@@
LOLLOLO I quote you: * If cow are walking thru a river some will just stop and stand there till it dies and chickens can survive without their heads.*
LOLOLOLOLO, you know why that happens?
BECAUSE IT'S FUCKING MAGIC, YEAH, ALL MAGICAL AND PIXIE DUST!!!! LOLOL Holy shit, what a fucking waste of alphabets, also, save yourself, form yourself, by reading a book not written by your favourite neckbeard author on "how everything runs on magic and is made for you" Yeah, Have fun in your magic wonderland where cows bleed chocolate and chicken shoot chicken wings out of their ass, YAY 4everHapy!!! Wee.
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king sauron You don't have "POINTS" you have a paragraph which is full of shit like "cows sit in the river and kill themselves sometimes because they feel like it, and chicken runs around, etc,etc, lol.
Yes, but It's predictable what you'll do, just like an animal, who does the same shit over and over again, no matter how many times it faces the corner, it reacts in the same way, no matter how counter-productive, lol.
You are allowed to have your opinions, doesn't mean they are right, and if you never even bothered to think about more than how they are 'right', you don't deserve to speak out about them, and is preferred that you just don't bother, unless you double check on yourself, instead of coming here with your perfectly scientific, cow and chicken example.
The same time the idiot doesn't realise that more people kill themselves from suicides and things like drugs, and people also move with their heads chopped off, go watch a video, OFCOURSE THERE IS LESS MOTION, BECAUSE ITS A FUCKING 6 FOOT MAMMAL, COMPARED TO CHICKEN, but goes on believing the same shit, because it's convenient and makes the person feel like less of a total piece of shit! LOLKOELOLO!
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king sauron How do I address such stupid statements? That's right: By calling them stupid, as I did. You have assertions and nothing else.
Too bad this world has spoilt kids like you, who think that their thoughts are flawless, and their bleiefs, unquestionable,simply because they are given the right to hold one, and think that they're right, Lol
Typical "high horse " comment again, I'm not on a 'high horse", I am just on a higher moral standing than you are, and that's not because I think so, It's because of the outcome of each of our actions, in my case is NO outcome, and in your case, just trucks full of dead sentient animals.
wow you fuckers are dense as fuck aren't you? as long as someone doesn't talk to you nicely, like you are the queen of the world, you apparently won't pay attention to them ,lol. Eat shit. I'm done with you.
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Kraydak3 No, not really. All their claims and "beliefs" about morality and animal's ability to feel, don't stand up against any of the facts. And a person who's so utterly confident in their ideas, that they won't even do a 2 minute research to confirm it, but will have the gall to come preach it out like it's fact, then they amount to nothing to me, just like their opinions and 'beliefs".
Also, if you DO 'care' about the said 'endangered animals', think for a second, would you care about it any more if suddenly, the next week, there were a million more of them?
Or will you just be like "Oh ok, it hit a certain number, so I guess now it's ok for me to not care about it any more and we are all free of moral implications. And when their numbers plummet because of us killing them again, then we can just switch on the morality switch and the empathy switch and start caring for them.
(but you probably don't, from your previous response that I just read after typing the above bit, so ignore the facts of how every animal you ate, felt every single second of the torture you put them through and focus on getting butthurt and staying the same)
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Kraydak3 Some things you didn't consider, I'll add them here, and you can recalculate the sanity.
Btw, I DO KNOW, that humans are Omnivores(able to CHOOSE what to eat), therefore I CHOOSE, and don't pretend to be a helpless animal who needs to bite flesh to live.
1: You yourself ADMIT, that Humans have the CHOICE to eat either meat OR vegetables.
That means Every animal you have eaten, didn't have to die for you to survive. That's why you are lower in your justification than a wild animal, who hunts because it will STARVE AND DIE, which you haven't ever even come close to experiencing, so yeah, stop using the situations of wild animals who kill just so they can live, as your excuses to brutally murder all those animals, in the name of "survival".
2: Lions don't kill every gazelle they see in the open. They ONLY HUNT WHEN THEY NEED TO. Well, their "need" might be more serious than your " Oh I'm feeling like a burger, I guess I need it or I'll die".
They ALSO lack the option of having ten thousands of products to choose from, by walking into walmart or ANY place where food is easily available for "money".
You can either look at other people to justify your beliefs, or you can go do some research, and if even after that you think you're incapable of changing, then please, by all means, stay the same.
*Btw, this is not "morally self-righteous bs". It's factually moral way of life based on evidence of suffering and the lack of its need in my survival. Simple. I don't need it, so I don't kill them, and neither do I pretend like I need to, just so I can get some taste in my mouth.
How greedy, inconsiderate and self centred can people get?
*Enough to kill and eat anything that doesn't scream in their own language, and to give moral reasons as to why it is great to do.*
And think you're 'good', because someone said you were? lel.
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Kraydak3 You either eat meat, or you don't. Simple. I get all the information about you that I need for this conversation.
The very fact that you call yourself an omnivore, should mean that you will "EAT ALL", because that's what it translates to; " Devour Everything", lol. It also means you should eat worms and maybe dead people because they have all the goodies.
1: Human bodies are PERFECTLY FINE without meat, thanks. I don't need you to tell me your noisy words, because I AM FUCKING ALIVE and probably better off physically, than a good 85% of the USA, and I've lived all my life, and never eaten meat. But people, with their excuses, just like religious people say "We would have died if not for god." Nigga shut up.
2: No, you don't eat them for sustenance, if that was all you cared about, you would eat ANY ANIMAL, THE FIRST ANIMAL IN FRONT OF YOU, NOT THE ONES YOU FUCKING LOOOOOOOVE THE TASTE OF. Stop being a fucking hypocrite and just admit that you do it only for the fucking lovely taste and just can't help it <3.
3: There is a difference Between HUNGER and STARVATION. Learn the difference. Holy shit, the excuses.
Btw, here, have fun <3 >>>>>>>
Debunking the paleo diet: Christina Warinner at TEDxOU
Do some research, it's for your own good, might help you live less lies.
PEOPLE ARE NOT SMART BECAUSE OF YOUR "BRAIN EVOLUTION BY MEAT MAGIC", LOL! IT HAPPENED BECAUSE OF COLLECTED INFORMATION WHICH PILED UP THROUGHOUT THE YEARS, AS PEOPEL KEPT RECORDING EVENTS AND WAS ACCESSIBLE TO THE NEXT GENERATION TO PICK UP FROM, PEOPLE DIDN'T MAKE ROCKETS BECAUSE "THEY EVOLVED TO" NO, IT HAPPENED BECAUSE OF THE INFORMATION COLLECTED BY ALL THE PEOPLE BEFORE THEM WHICH LED TO THAT HAPPENING, GOD DAMMIT, ALLAH DAMMIT, YOU LITTLE BALOON >.<!!!!!
COORELATION DOES NOT IMPLY CAUSALITY niga pls, lel <3
Example: "The water is flowing out of the tap."
MY hands are wiggling while the water is flowing. This means Me Wiggling my hands, Makes the water flow. Genius." lelel
(do yourself a favour, and srsly, just go watch the video, don't waste your and my time arguing if you're not gonna listen to anyone else other than people who think just like you because they do the same things like you and need the same justification, lwl.)
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Kraydak3 Actually I spend time understanding the pathology of people who suffer from cognitive dissonance and confirmation bias, chronically, and how they rationalise the things they do in their daily lives, and the things they ignore, so cleverly unseen and unacknowledged. Nah, I don't think 500 words is something you can handle, let alone understand. I shoulda known, that it was some kid, just getting butthurt, like the usual wanderer, and has to throw its share of ignorant crap to feel better about itself, like it's a competition, lol, don't bother replying, or just do, because you're still gonna leave the same shiet you came here as, lel.
Pro level cognitive dissonance, and overall "there's always that dumb one" persona lol
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Kraydak3 Nope, I'm actually not lost into the money making crap, and "Oooooh I got a job, my life is complete" Idiocy LOL.
There's more people with JOBS in this world, than there are smart, not too ignorant people.
"Oh mamma, I got a jeoooob, am I accepted yet? Am I smart enough yet? Please, worldd!!! Accepptt and loveee meeeee, I'll do anything you say to feel like a part of society.", lo.
You see, internet is a fantastic place, to see people really speak what they mean, with literally no filters because there's no immediate presence of another person, or anything stopping them, so yeah, you were interesting because your mentality is pretty widespread lol(not because it's good, simply because it's self stuffing), also because you spilled your guts.
You're one of those, who'll eventually listen when they're to old to remember what lie was in place, orrrrrrrr will just die of diabetes and ignorance, and you'll just be a speck of ignorance that existed and perished, lelelelel.
I don't think you'll speak any coherent words anytime soon, neither does it seem likely that you'll return to the main topic, not defending yourself with your "jobzzzz", so I think we too, are done here. kthanks lel.
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Kraydak3 Stereotypical.
"Apparently my little jibe about you being a trust-fund baby hit a little close to home because you spent you're whole post on some rant about how people don't need jobs." No, this clearly shows how important you think it is to get a job, which leads you to be one of the people who've lost their minds to it, lel.
You use too many lame emoticons for you to be over the age of 18. <---That's me conceding a point. Wrong again, like with everything else on a daily basis. Ah, the prey of conjecture and self-elevating delusion, as usual. Concede your idiocy, must be easier :D :D :D :B :B :3 :> :C:V :U.
I work out 3 days a week (work and home keep me too busy for anything else) and feel I'm in the best shape of my life. To keep my energy up I usually eat plenty of animal protein in the morning before I start my workout. Animal Protein to keep my 'energy up', LOL!!!! You have no fucking clue what even comprises the 'animal protein' LOL, what a stupid term, go read a book, or your kids will grow up to be Ignorant Idiots like you.
If you were so worried about animals you might consider the effects of all the electricity you use on their natural environment. Right now there's coal burning to run the computer you're reading this on which in turn releases greenhouse gasses that have the potential to kill far more animals then humans could ever hope to hunt/fish/slaughter. Wrong, no proof, no evidence, you don't even know the fucking terms, other than what some 'pal' you picked it up from, "burning coal" "killing animals with the gases from my Laptop" LOLOLOLOLO. WOWOWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWWW!!!!!! Nah, man Die like the idiot you are, I'm so fucking done listening to such baseless bullshit, too bad you live in a world where 'your beliefs' are 'respected', Just try not to make any kids around you, into another Self-deluding prick who uses excuses as the above, LOL!!
Wow, the very fact that you wrote all that thinking that it was perfectly sensible, wow you, m8, are one ignorant animal, maintaining ignorant thoughts, because without them, you can't think of yourself as you do now. You'll probably just die randomly one day, and I won't even hear about it.
Loveu, take care <3 , don't turn the kids around you, into machines that spew your kind of ignoranct, self-righteous bullshit, just keep it limited to yourself and die with it, Appreciate it, k thanks <3.
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Kraydak3 No, It really, truly, is not as you, in your mind, think it is. So, unless someone isn't as stupid as you are, it shouldn't be a problem, using as many commas as you want, because only someone like you, could really make a mistake, in the same sentence, where you try to prove YOU'RE Grammatical astuteness, bahahahahaha.
You are just a poor, simple minded prey of your own confirmation bias, like so many others who surround you. It almost feels entertaining, though repetitive, to watch you struggle in your own lies, lol, shoo now.
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76ecth981 You don't eat animals to "survive", you do it because you don't give a shit and you love the taste and It's a habit you just can't break because you're so hooked, lel. "survive" LOL. BILLIONS OF PEOPLE, have lived their whole lives throughout human history, and NEVER had to kill another sentient organism to "survive", yet, here you are, sitting on your chair, in the 21st Century, surrounded by malls and supermarkets with tens of thousands of non animal food products, yet you are still saying " we kill and eat them because we have to survive". Just because it sounds true in your head, doesn't make ANY DIFFERENCE. The hypocrisy and conceit is spoiling my trip.
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Teddy Lo "Big difference between kill for sustenance and killing for profit/game/sport/fun. Every original race of peoples lived with animals, as well as survived off of them. Respect and balance is what's missing here".
"sustenance" huh? lol... Sneaky ambiguity of words.
There is a difference between sustenance and survival(the word I was using). Just because I walk into a KFC, doesn't mean that eating the chicken is gonna "sustain me harder" than eating something that didn't have someone killed over a burger.
Don't lie to yourself, telling yourself that you " eat 3 meals a day to "sustain" yourself, LOL.
Now, for some perspective.
*Big difference between keeping a slave to work in important sectors like the cotton farms and Keeping a slave for personal Profit/game/sport/fun. Every Original race of people lived with the africans, as well as surviving off of them by making them slaves.
Respect and balance is what is missing here.*
How does your mind create such sneaky exceptions and double standards?? Deweewwwwmmmm!
Look at all the overweight and obese people around you, who love to tell you how great and healthy meat is and how they're the living example, then look at yourself, then look at them again. The delusion of "sustenance" is big. You don't add animal organs to your food because you wanna "Sustain" yourself, you don't even know the proper nutritional constitution of the food, meaning the only reason you did it till now, was because you just really really love chicken, and other animals too. But nice effort at "sustenance" gr8 8/8 irl no bs m8.
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king sauron Lol, yeah, I am the trash guy because I don't participate in your daily slaughters.
And you are the "saints" because you do what's right, those animals really love being killed, do god's work.
In your little peanut brain, killing billions of animals every year, IS GOOD, and not killing any animal, IS BAD. good job, lol, TELL ME MORE, SENPAI. Or don't, I don't wanna get the ignorance tumor.
I am not "self-righteous". That'd be you, with your lack of valid proof and desperation to justify the actions you're committing on a whim. Not me. I am not the one doing the act, I have nothing to justify, you pathetic fool. I am actually better than you. Not "jesus good", but not " conceited Monkeys who like to eat other animals to feel like they're not little whimps bad".
OOOooohhh Here comes the Denial Train. chooooo chooooo!!!!
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Mustafa Shams " 50 percent of humans who have ever lived have been killed by malaria that is spread by mosquitoes." *Big claims, ZERO Proof, as always.*
"Why do you care so much about animals when they give as much attention to you as a plant and a starving tiger will rip you apart."
A starving human will also rip you apart. People indulge in cannibalism and homicide all the time, you're again, too ignorant and conceited. You, yourself, just proved that a human and a tiger are the same in natural behaviour, lol, but damn, the vanity, loolololo. Have fun rotting in your petty existence.
And in enough denial as to remain the same.
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king sauron "The things your talking about are cows and chickens. They can't even grasp the concepts your talking about they are stupid and don't give a shit if they die in a factory farm or in the wild. They can't tell the fucking difference because they are stupid." <-
Look, I know you like to think that you're clever, because of the below average environment you grew up in, and the way you talked all your life, and "had debates" with others around you, with their credulity passed on to you. The same primitive mentality does not work outside that "herd" of yours.
You are the one who's committing actions, and yet, FAIL to give ANY PROOF to support the delusion that the animals you kill, are not intelligent or whatever you claim them to not be. Neither do you have anything to refute the cns link, which you probably have to look up now. <- Burden of proof is ON the one committing the ACT(you), not the Scrutinizer, LOL(not your herd)!!!. Fallacy of argumentum ad populum. (yes, go look this up too)
Don't for a second think, that you are on the same logical ground as I, just because of the monotonous text.
I'm not vegan, I'm vegetarian. And yes, I am still better than you. Sorry, all of humanity isn't as low as you, just because you want it to be, kiddie brain.
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king sauron Same Conceited bullshit again.
"During the cattle drive cows would just stop in rivers and let themselves sink to their deaths. Any smart animal wouldn't just stand in the river. A smart animal would keep moving. Ever here of mike the headless chicken. That chicken lived for 18 months with no head. You know why because animals like cows or chickens are fucking stupid." <
People kill themselves by eating too much, people kill themselves by driving down a cliff. People give themselves cancer by inhaling smoke they don't need. People kill themselves and other people for their "imaginary friends", People pollute themselves to death.
You are a human too
You share similar biology
Conclusion?
You are worth killing, because others of your species have done self-destructive things,(Actually you have as well, just look at yourself, lol) I wouldn't even smell your filthy carcass, but hey, we can make toilet paper out of you.. maybe.
I think my brain cells are committing harakiri after listening to your Logic-void blabbering. Time to leave, lel.
You're diseased with stupidity and credulity, but you just don't want the cure, lol.
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Mustafa Shams It's not that "Eating meat is wrong", but " Enslaving and eventually Slaughtering an animal for its meat when you could easily live off of other tens of thousands of food products". There's people who live in mountains and deserts, where NO OTHER FOOD IS AVAILABLE, and have no other option but to hunt animals to live. *You DO NOT live in their Environment, therefore, CAN NOT use their REASONS as your EXCUSES. (well, you can, but it's still false and baseless.)
See? There's a Slick difference. But you've never even managed to think about it, because again, it would make you unable to deny how trash you are. Not because I think so, Because of what your actions consist of, And on top of that, the reasons you give for its justification, lol.
But you probably live in a conceited part of the world, full of close-minded people and have adapted its pretence, as your reality, even though nobody forced you to, but in the end, who can you blame, but your own self?
Have fun playing the charade.
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domedeed2 True, I acknowledge that when I use foul language to insult the people, i do hurt their feelings. But, people who never bothered to understand the pain of the animals who died because of them, don't really 'deserve' sympathy in the moment of someone calling them by the titles they've earned.
But I refrain from using it when people give intelligent replies, but that's not often in this case, since there is No argument to be made in favour of it :D..
The more you distance yourself from a certain mentality/herd, the clearer the picture you see. I also prioritize the animal's life over someone feeling offended at my text, when they're completely inconsiderate about all the species, whom they are the murderers of. (you get my point :)
But again, if people are willing to listen and not busy defending their dissonance with incoherent garbage, I'm usually nice to them :D.
It is a tricky thing, and it's not like I don't have non-vegetarian friends. But if they ever start this discussion with me, they will receive no bias from me either ^-^.
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Mustafa Shams "Okay." What does okay mean? It's relative.
If you are Living OUTSIDE human society, outside the availability of other food, then you are part of the wild, and may hunt in sufficient amounts for survival, and may be hunted as well.
When it comes to "animals without nervous systems", They are even more far away from us evolution-wise, and we understand their biology even less. I wouldn't eat them if I didn't absolutely need to like my life depended on it, because I can just eat something else from the Millions of shops and restaurants, and save myself the trouble.
Is your desire for getting a taste on your tongue, greater than someone's right to not be enslaved and tortured their entire lives, along with all the following children and their generations? For most of the human world, it is, and maybe that is one of the reasons that it makes it so easy for other people to jump in, since they can justify the same action by seeing others doing it with impunity.
But then again, this species has always been full of itself and used itself as the measure of everything in this world and its value to them.
Nobody is forced to do it, people just get used to it and just prefer to do it, because they will never pay the price. Humans do it to other humans all the time, maybe you are biased and don't pay much attention to that, but yeah, people killing other people for joy and fun, is a thing. You should look at your own species to understand yourself and the things you believe and why you believe them.
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Mustafa Shams Maybe, but they still DO consciously move around, because they DO have a Central Nervous system.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clam (Read the anatomy section) So it can actually feel pain, no matter what the Popular Ideas/ cultures say, because they are not based on scientific fact, and you don't want your existence and your actions to be based on untrue things, because then what are they worth if you never understand them?
It only looks 'unintelligent/unsentient to you, since you've accepted this idea as fact for a long time, as did I, and there is always space for correction, and it is best for us to accept it.
This is what I meant, when I said "I'd rather just eat something green and not of flesh and blood, because it's a safer bet in terms of not eating someone who had a Will to live, because I know I don't have to kill anyone to survive, and avoiding any flesh, at least means I'm making some conscious effort to avoid causing harm.
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Mustafa Shams Wrong, we NEED cars, if we want to reach more than 5 kilometres away without getting exhausted. It's LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE to work in a city, while walking to work. You're using poorly constructed justifications, which shows why you still think that you're right, instead of TRYING to understand How you could be Wrong.
Dude, I think you should Type "Psychology" on google, then open the wikipedia page and then learn some of the terms, You'll learn something.
"Why do we eat meat while we can eat just vegetables? The same reason we drive cars instead of walking around." < You need to change the way you think, or you'll always have an idea of this world, an idea which only exists to protect your 'beliefs', and that is not reality. So if you don't change, and keep thinking that you're "intelligent", you will die a life of lies which you told yourself.
Meat is not just meat. "it" had a face before, they had a mother, a personality, thoughts, Feelings, emotions, and other animals they cared about. the suffered every minute from their birth, and lived as slaves, because you wanted a different taste in the food.
The car, was always dead, because it was never alive. But the "meat", sadly for you, all this time, was a walking, talking, feeling animal. The only thing was, that it didn't look like your kind of animal, so you and your people discriminate against them with ease, and use them for personal Gain, Because Killing them doesn't put you in trouble, and nobody rejects you, because they all want the same thing; the flesh of a dead animal, killed simply for their personal ENJOYMENT and ENTERTAINMENT.
&*Not for survival.*
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Mustafa Shams Lol "its difficult to stop eating meat. The world we live in is designed for cars, just like the food we eat has meat in it." There;s hundred of millions of people in the world , who've never even touched a piece of meat, let alone eaten it.
You just look in your own little bubble, and fo like "Oh yeah, look it's like this everywhere around me, so it's natural and right."
What depraved people.
Haha, dude, just stop. I've wasted enough time on you, and you still come up with the same crap comparisons and justifications which only make sense in your herd. Because your herd depends on them being correct, which they are not.
"From jello, to muffins, to gumdrops, and anything containing dairy in it. It would be "LITERALLY IMPOSSIBLE" to eat something with no meat products in it. " *you're fucking mental, lol. This is what I meant, that you'd rather have the shit you like to eat, than stop killing billions of animals for it.*
Nobody FORCES YOU TO EAT JEELO AND MUFFINS LOL.
You can't even go through a change of diet, even if it means that it will be the least piece of shit thing you might ever have done in your entire life.
Fuck, lol. Yeap, You've never even bothered to educate yourself form the last time you were here. But thanks, the things you wrote, might actually make someone else realise how stupid and desperate your mentality is, which is the same as others, and maybe someone else will stop, hehe.
So, thanks, lol.
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Mustafa Shams You really think you deserve "my manners", after all the things you do to all the other animals, just for enjoyment?
No, you don't. Maybe in your little human herd you do, but NOWHERE outside it. That's why you hide in there, so you never have to realise otherwise.
What an insult, comparing sentient life to a car, not to forget, dull.
You're wasting more of my time, but helping me make my point too, so.
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Mustafa Shams Wrong. If they wanted to stop killing all those animals, which they know, feel pain and suffer, they WOULD ALREADY HAVE DONE IT THEMSELVES.
The next way, is to make meat eating into such a stigma, that People who're too dumb to understand and change, will just do it OUT OF SHAME
Remember, if you ever have grandchildren or children, they will have YOUR ACTIONS to look back at, and Look down in disgust, of how their ape ancestor, killed and ate other animals, just because he wanted to get the taste in his mouth, what a petty way to live.
But yeah, keep saying that same thing, because you can use my "rudeness" as an excuse to IGNORE every single literal fact, and just continue pretending like you know anything. My life isn't a delusional bubble where I hide from the reality because it calls me a petty meat hungry ape, it's yours. I don't HAVE TO believe in the shit I do, I do it , because it's the OBJECTIVE REALITY OF THIS WORLD. Not because if I stopped believing in it, I would look like a lowlife piece of shit. It is YOU, who depends on the delusions and the biased lies, to get some sense of not being a trash human being.
You're so fucking simple, lol.
So, by all means, continue. Your Petty false existence, and a life of lies, will be a decent price to pay, and you can't avoid that anyway, since you don't want to stop. lol.
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I.Q. NOTORIOUS Trying to insult Islam is only going to hurt u on DAY OF JUDGMENT. I'm just tryin to help u if u wanna learn something u haven't put much time learning.
Bro, you know that 80% of the WORLD, DOES NOT BELIEVE IN YOUR allah. Your allah, is so ALL POWERFUL, that he convinced 20 % of the world, WOW, So fucking almighty, lol.
Don't talk to me about learning you dumb duckling. All your peopel ever did, was make up their own little book, where they claim reality, so they don't have to put REAL EFFORT INTO LEARNING. Lol, YOUR WHOLE LIFE REVOLVES AROUND A FAIRY TALE, Made by a pedophile.
You pulled the day of judgement right out of your asshole, like mohammad pulled this book.
Here's some QUOTES for you. Educate yourself on your fairy tale.
1::Also (forbidden are) women already married, except those whom your right hands possess. Thus has Allah ordained for you. All others are lawful, provided you seek them from your property, desiring chastity, not fornication. So with those among them whom you have enjoyed, give them their required due, but if you agree mutually after the requirement (has been determined), there is no sin on you. Surely, Allah is Ever All-Knowing, All-Wise.
Qur'an 4:24
2::Abu Said al-Khudri said: "The apostle of Allah sent a military expedition to Awtas on the occasion of the battle of Hunain. They met their enemy and fought with them. They defeated them and took them captives. Some of the Companions of the apostle of Allah were reluctant to have intercourse with the female captives in the presence of their husbands who were unbelievers. So Allah, the Exalted, sent down the Quranic verse, "And all married women (are forbidden) unto you save those (captives) whom your right hands possess". That is to say, they are lawful for them when they complete their waiting period." [The Quran verse is 4:24]
Abu Dawud 2:2150
3::And, forbidden to you are, wedded women, those with spouses, that you should marry them before they have left their spouses, be they Muslim free women or not; save what your right hands own, of captured [slave] girls, whom you may have sexual intercourse with, even if they should have spouses among the enemy camp, but only after they have been absolved of the possibility of pregnancy [after the completion of one menstrual cycle]; this is what God has prescribed for you.
Qur'an 4:24
"From 4:24, it can be rightly assumed, that the Qur'an does not see any wrong-doing in Muslims having sex with captive women even if these women are married and their husbands are still alive. This clearly indicates that the Qur'an allows rape, as captive women, even in the unlikely case of agreeing to sexual intercourse, would still be having that intercourse under duress."
""If you don't cover yourself, you can't blame the men for raping you."" > Yeah, I misphrased it, now, let me REPHRASE IT.
"If you are a sex slave of a muslim man, you are his property, and he can do what he wants with you."
Now, Ask me again, LOL
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***** Not to me exactly, but to millions of other people, from rape, to down right massacres. It is also the reason why people gather into groups like the Taliban and ISIS. YOU THINK AN ATHEIST GOES AND JOINS ISIS? You ACTUALLY THINK THAT ISIS WOULD EVEN BE ABLE TO EXIST WITHOUT ALLAH'S POSTER ON THEIR BACK? *You got to be fucking kidding me, and you really need to wake up, before it's too late to admit the truth.*||lol.
*I think I might have mentioned all religions as equally bogus as islam, the only thing is, that you CAN NOT USE BUDDHISM AS AN EXCUSE TO COMMIT MASS JIHAD AND OTHER TERRORIST BULLSHIT, not to mention half of the muslim democratic, the women, are already oppressed, lol.
"After political game n war for oil n power etc, things turned ugly and thats were u come in." Nope. I am more of a "Science will transcend humanity to moral superiority. And Religion is a plague, which has taken BILLIONS of lives, by clouding them in delusions and promises of afterlife sex orgies and eternity of boogie with allah in the sky-cribb."
Humanity can't have the truth of science and the false promises of greatness, etc, by religion, at the same time. They will collide, and the truth will win. Because science is not a cult, it is a method, of asserting reality and fact, and understanding the world without a self dick sucking longing in the head of ruling over bitches and fucking children. :*
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TheGiantKiller8 SO the quran, first, JUSTIFIES AND CONDONES TAKING SLAVES AS MANY AS YOU WANT.
Then Tells you "“Have you seen him who takes his low desires for his god? Are you a guardian over them? Or do you think that most of them hear or understand?
They are but as the cattle; nay, they are farther astray from the path.” (The Holy Quran, 25:43–44.)"
That is an OXYMORON, BY LITERAL DEFINITION.
OK listen, Let's do this. Live your life, and if there comes a point in it, that you understand the reality of every single religion, which will happen the instant you learn about islam's core.
Come post a comment here, admitting to being wrong.
And I shall do the same myself.
Because You can't change someone with faith, at least not if they have nothing left to take shelter behind, even though a thing such as faith, is non-existent. I guess one must let the diseased understand its own condition and seek help, rather than forcing them to acknowledge it. Yeah.
Or just remember this comment. When you look back, and if you do, you will see from the future, that you could have opened your mind here, and freed your existence from a power hungry, sword wielding, 13 woman keeping(including girls before age of 10) barbaric conqueror's book, which he created to collect illiterate people and take up arms for a new god who'd call them special, but you chose to wait until the day when it becomes impossible to avoid. Maybe better late than never.
Since all religions are dying slowly, you will either change by realising the truth, or because everyone around you is changing; the same thing you did when you got turned into a muslim, of course you weren't born one, lol. You just got lucky to be born in a muslim house, not hindu,sikh,christian,jew,jain,and the other THOUSANDS OF RELIGIONS.
Your WHOLE EXISTENCE, is BASED ON WHICH WOMAN shot you out of their vagina, and then into this world, and it conincidentally happened to be a muslim house, that's the core of your being; "*You got lucky*".
If it was in another religion's house, then you would be defending THAT religion, And you would NOT EVEN HAVE A CONCEPT OF ALLAH'S EXISTENCE, BECAUSE HE ONLY EXISTS AFTER YOU ARE TOLD THAT HE DOES.
But it's your struggle, I did what I needed to, now it's your choice, lel.
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omar Fadzil Lol, It's the SAME GOD.
How the FUCK do you People have DIFFERENT RULES FOR THE SAME RELIGION.
You do know that there is only going to be ONE WAY to reach your allah, And What the fuck is it, that you think YOUR WAY OF THINKING is the right way? That's the same shit that EVERY RELIGIOUS PERSON THINKS. Because otherwise, THEY WOULD NOT BE THINKING and BELIEVING IN THAT SHIT.
It's not JUST THE SHIAS. You ALSO Are the REASON WHY ISLAMIST MENTALITY EXISTS, because ultimately, IT WILL EXIST AS LONG AS ISLAM DOES, BECAUSE IT'S ALL IN THE BOOK.
Even among Muslims, you cherry pick what to believe and think, in your little circles, and you just say something like this in your head; "Yeah, I and my people are probably the right ones." "Allah hasn't hit me with a lightning strike, I must be right."
And Keep Ignoring all the contradictions your Allah makes to itself. First it is perfect, then it can't even stop some people from raping a woman of HIS OWN RELIGION.
HE really doesn't fucking exist OUTSIDE the People who BELIEVE IN HIM( and believing is NOT the proof of something being real, too bad if you think it is). Same goes for EVERY SINGLE RELIGION, lol.
You know what. Stick to your belief. Just remember, JUST REALLY REALLY KEEP HOPING THAT YOU ARE THE RIGHT ONES(and by YOU I don't mean ALL MUSLIMS, just the little group that you belong to, since there are variations of belief among different tribes and sects, and god, according to your all knowing book, isn't a Little bitch who you can push around and be like "come on, let us in, lol, it's no biggie, it's basically the same thing", OR IT IS ETERNITY OF TORTURE FOR YOU & EVERYONE ELSE WHO IS OF THE SAME BELIEF AS YOU.
And I can easily tell that you DO NOT FOLLOW EVERY SINGLE WORD OF THE QURAN AS IT IS WRITTEN. AND BY EVERY SINGLE WORD, I LITERALLY MEAN' EVERY SINGLE DAMN WORD TO THE LAST WORD IN THE BOOK. Guess who might not be getting into the orgy heaven? Hehe.
This is what happens when people lose their shit over patriarchal Fairy tales of Rape and murdering in the name of a superior being/ imaginary friend,, the two favourite things of depraved barbarians. There must be something charming about it that you love so much, Maybe it's the heaven, maybe it's the sense of importance you get, like "you are special and hold a special place in this world". Fucking self-important apes, so much so, that you would rather enjoy a nice life of delusion, imagining shit you were promised, and not actually doing jack shit. Typical.
Remember, there would be NO ISIS or AL QUAEDA OR ANY OTHER SUCH TERRORIST GROUP, because they ALL FOLLOW THE STRICT RULES OF THE QURAN AND DO BASE THEIR WHOLE WORK IN THE NAME OF ISLAM, AND THAT's THE ONLY WAY THEY GET RECRUITS. You think Atheists are the ones who are in the ISIS militia? You Think that they would be able to say "Hey come we're gonna blow things up and kill people because we want to" and people would just join them? NO.
ALLAH IS THE COLLECTING FORCE OF MONSTERS. By simply saying "Come die in the name of allah and be granted eternal salvation and relief from a miserable life, instantly", Tens of thousands of people will just jump in and start killing anyone they are told to, BECAUSE THEY ARE DOING IT FOR GOD; FOR YOUR GOD. Yes, surprise, You have the SAME GOD.
NO, every single one of them, went there, because it is written in the quran, to commit jihad, as it is one of the greatest things you can do, or some shit like that. I don't wanna waste too much time in a fiction book, explaining things I already know. If you want to stay IGNORANT, Please DO SO. Since that is the ONLY WAY YOUR RELIGION STAYS INNOCENT TO YOU. <3
But you will probably just feel offended after reading this, and just disregard is as hard as you can, as to not start using your brain to criticize islam, because that gets you MInus points in allah's eyes or some other shit your family told you, as THEY were told by the ones before them, up to the time when one of your Ancestors has Islam FORCED upon them, because that's how it spread, by Killing and conquering. Go Read a fucking book. And not the quran for once <3. Have fun, good luck in life, lol.
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omar Fadzil I wish you luck, and seriously do hope allah exists, or everything you and a bunch of other people believed, will have all been for nothing, billions of lives wasted, all being an idea of self importance, and self-elevation, Nothing more than the fantasies of a paedophile who allegedly met an angel in a cave, which he used to marry several women, and used it to gather an army of uneducated, illiterate desert dwellers of the 600s.
Seriously, I would love to have some afterlife, lol. But just to be safe, I will consider whichever god exists, if one does, to not be as petty as allah or any other imagined god who loves men dominating everyone, and just think that it would be more intelligent and less egotistical than that.. While you can invest your ONE chance at existing on it, listening to the CLAIMS(not proofs) of a bunch of men who love staying in power, and will say anything they have to, in order for it. And sadly, just ONE claim out of Over FORTY THOUSAND RELIGIONS. Takes balls to place your bets, lol. But doesn't matter how big the balls are, if the bet is wrong. gg.
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StriverOfIslam88 " Islamic law is amplified properly a rapist will be punished to the death.
If we wish we can make lots of bullshit documentary like this about you."
Islamic law is AMPLIFIED AS FUCK IN THE MIDDLE EAST, SON. AND PEOPLE STILL HAVE RAPE ORGIES.
Secondly, go ahead "make lots of bullshit documentary about me, lol. I double dare you to pull out something that is not utter idiocy and self affirmed garbage, the same one that you feed off, everyday. You replace your IDIOCY, with FALSE PRETENCE OF UNDERSTANDING, because YOU want to be RIGHT. And can't even fucking handle the possibility of being wrong, let alone face it, LELELELELELE.
Your stupid arguments only work within your make-believe system, and sound like utter bullshit to anyone of another religion, which is most of this world, no argumentum ad populum, but just open your dumb eyes, your god can't even convince most of this world of his existence, and it keeps getting lesser and lesser.
I have an image of your mentality and what it makes you into, in my head, it is a weak, cowardly creature, who's even afraid of hearing anything bad about its delusions, because it has NOTHING to refute them.
If you ACTUALLY HAD A GOD, YOU WOULDN'T HAVE SUCH A FUCKING HARD TIME PROVING A POINT, LOL. BUT LOOK AT YOU SQUIGGLING ON THE FLOOR, LIKE YOU'RE PUTTING UP A FIGHT :d.
love my caps. they are expressive <3.
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omar Fadzil Actually, firstly, it is not MY job to prove that I am right, it is YOUR, to prove that YOU ARE NOT WRONG.
Secondly, Have you read the history of Islam? lool????????????????????????????????????
Don't you know the shit everyone, starting from mohammad, the things they did, the amount of people they killed, enslaved and raped, to prove themselves as right. And that's just the tip of it all.
And you believe in the things those men thought of, for their own benefit, and you believe it too, because it benefits your personal stand in society.
So, please do take some time to look at yourself and the things you support before heading out to defend them, when you really don't know shit, which is the reason why you are still ignorant, and the longer you wait, the harder it will become to admit being wrong, because you'll look like a bigger idiot, help yourself, though, it's Your life, throw it wherever you want, place your bets, lol. :D
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omar Fadzil Lol, again, more proof of your own intellectual lowness.
You do realise that whether I read it in English, or Arabic, or Urdu, the TEXT STILL MEANS THE SAME.
"You probably don't know how to eat food since you have never eaten food from your eyes." What the fuck does it matter what the means of receiving are, when the Subject at hand(quran information) is received.
DUDE, You are the one who got their information from a 1400 something year old book, you delusional turd. Now you Believe it SIMPLY BECAUSE YOUR MOMMY AND DADDY believed in it, and because it is the ONLY RELIGION YOU WERE EVER TAUGHT, OUT OF THE TOTAL OF OVER 40,000 RELIGIONS WHICH MAKE THE SAME CLAIM OF GOD AS YOUR BOOK DOES (this means they all are wrong, since they all are written by people to steal land and rape and to enslave whoever they want(and Islam succeeds in this part tho) LOL!!!! What a pathetic reason to believe in something.
Keep it up, dumbass.
Foolish lives, I guess, deserve what they get in the end.
Stay ignorant, it helps you think like you know something, since your whole brain is filled to the brim with Islam (which is all a lie), and whatever gets you off.
Since you believe in non-true shit, you HAVE TO UNDERMINE THE IMPORTANCE OF REAL THINGS, LIKE SCIENCE, AND NON-RELIGION, So that you don't have to work towards them, and can just be like "Nah, my allah is great, I don't need to educate myself, Allah loves me for my ignorance and false pretence of knowledge.
Ps, He doesn't exist. Which also makes your religion pointless. You Actually think that your god exists? LOL, Even after you FAIL TO DEFEND HIM, AND ALL YOU COME UP WITH, ARE STUPID PSEUDO EXPLANATIONS. ONE WOULD THINK THAT GOD'S MEN WOULD HAVE A MORE EASIER TIME EVEN PROVING THEIR ALL KNOWING AND EVER PRESENT GOD. But here you are, even failing to come up with a decent counter argument. How pathetic.
I'll just keep rubbing your idiocy on your face, since you are not the kind who's ready to admit being wrong, let alone about their best imaginary friend.
Seriously, Scream and search for allah, lol. You will never find him. But you might as well go out and try, since you're wasting your existence believing in him anyway. :D
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omar Fadzil You are stupider than I thought, LOLOLOLOLO. You don't even know that there is an American and a British versions of realize realise, like colour and color. (I guess I even have to put this link, so it makes it harder to overlook, like you are trained to, lol)
This is what I meant, when I said that YOU are so stupid, and believe in a bulshit god, which makes everything related to him, bullshit. And you Can't even Come up with a Decent Argument. You FAIL AT DEFENDING YOUR GOD, AND THIS ISN'T EVEN FACE TO FACE, so you're able to hide behind your screen and maintain your delusion.
You know why a man of god, is unable to defend his god against an infidel apostate. You know why? Because You are NOT A MAN OF GOD, BECAUSE HE DOESN'T EXIST IN THE FIRST PLACE, AND YOU CAN'T DEFEND SOMETHING THAT DOESN'T EXIST, BECAUSE ANY ARGUMENT IN ITS DEFENCE, IS GOING TO BE COMPLETELY FAKE AS WELL.
You are just helping me prove my point, on how Islam does nothing to help the conditions of a person, not even make them less idiotically delusional.
Keep it up <3, if you are too stupid to learn, maybe someone else will read this, and realise things.
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omar Fadzil No, Actually, When you claim that Islam is the Only religion (since there can't be another god with allah, because that is the base of islam, obviously), it means, that EVERY SINGLE PERSON YOU KNOW WHO IS NOT A MUSLIM, WILL BURN IN HELL, FOR ETERNITY, AND NEVER GET TO HEAVEN, AND IS AN INFIDEL WHO DESERVES TO DIE IF THEY DON"T CONVERT TO ISLAM.
I am an atheist, because no god has proven themselves to me, and all religions are based around controlling people and power, and if not, are still lacking in any proof, thus, are false until proven.
By the way, an atheist doesn't believe in hell or heaven, because those two come with religion, so no, you don't belong in hell, because THERE IS NO HELL, since there is no god to create it. Do you get it now? And THINK a little about what I wrote in the first sentence.
You can't believe a lie and a truth at the same time, and you can't believe in god, and believe in the real world at the same time. Remember, I am not joking, when I tell you, that there are over 40,000 religions like Islam, which have their own gods, tens of thousands of them, and they have their own promises and claims. The only reason you are muslim, is because in the 1400 years of islam, it KILLED most of the religions, and TOOK OVER THE LANDS, and established a caliphate, Like christianity did as well, along with other religions, too. (See, I told you they're the same, because the same greedy men made them, to control land power and women. Also, If you go back in your family tree, there will be someone who was either killed over islam, or was forced to converting into islam, like many Indians and africans were forced into christianity or given the "first come first religion serve", and also because you happened to be BORN INTO A MUSLIM FAMILY BY CHANCE. You are just conveniently only counting the time you want, which is the flaw in your reasoning .
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John Smith, that is not fact, that is your assumption. "laughing makes my guard go down" what the fuck, you know this is a subjective opinion and not fact, right? It's also no alternative fact, so don't, just don't. I know creating space to put in words like 'hooked line and sinker' seem cool, but really, this whole crap about 'if you make a joke, you're open to suggestive manipulation' is something you pulled out your backside. Like people who voted trump, didn't get told funny jokes that brought their guards down -*They simply wanted all the racist, self-absorbed, american-pride garbage that he promised without cracking jokes, and the people gobbled it up like they've been gobbling McDiabetes and KilledFuckingChikens all these years and dying of cancer and heart disease lol. I'm sure "I am the one who's been brainwashed".
You also assumed I am liberal, I'll take a 'wild' guess that your 'enemies' are liberals. And not because of good reasons, but because you're the one who actually fell for tribal behavior and bait, because it feels so true to you. You don't realise that liberals, right, left, Democrat, Republican, alt-right, they're ALL TOOLS made by the people who want to keep you busy feeling like you're doing something important, while they slowly, but literally, come to own entire countries, the land, and the people in it. Because people like you are busy squirming over pathetic fucking ideologies, that count to nothing more than random club memberships, and that wafer thin fantasy is what your identity hinges on.
I'll take another guess -You actually just got triggered by what I said about Trump. Would not respond the same way if I said EXACTLY THE SAME THING to Hillary, Obama, or Berine lol. But you fooled yourself into creating this stack of text to attack, while hiding the original intent, even from yourself perhaps. It is a guess, so I don't have to be on mark with everything yo.
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I still have moral qualms about calling people who manipulate refugees into becoming prostitutes, etc, as the "More bad", when the very people they manipulate, after receiving freedom, continue abusing and using other animals for their own sensory pleasure.
Like they consider only their own kind as those who can suffer, in desperation to elevate their own selves to a level that "deserves attention and saving".
Sigh, nobody said monsters can't become victims.
The whole issue is with the arbitrary, self-serving morals of this whole fucking specie, lol. Ready to do and believe anything to have the world revolve around themselves as center of "that which matters".
Does it surprise you that people can so easily abuse others, EVEN WITHIN THEIR OWN SPECIE? This is what happens when people grow up desensitized to real vileness, which they themselves, willingly become a part of, and then have to defend till the end because of personal vested interests and social-standing.
Poor princess, trying so hard to do good, going out everyday, when she could simply *be better by not doing all the evil shit on the way to saving 200 girls in 16 years, while eating 200+ chicken, cows, pigs, etc, Every fucking year, loelllllll.
remember, kids; It's not about whether it has a human face or it is a popular pet in your country, or how cute you think it looks like. The only thing that matters, is the creature's ability to suffer, and all you need to do to be subhuman- is to cause such suffering willingly, while being superbly negligent of any facts, and thinking you're the one who deserves notice when you suffer.
However, I really did enjoy the documentary for reals. Just those chopped chicken legs sticking out of Princess' bowl in the party, made me realise how much she's destroyed while 'saving' 200 girls, who were not going to be killed anyway.
Sad humans, trying to fit their own warped standards of 'becoming a good person 101'.
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TheAwillz Here's the thing, I was typing a more elaborate reply, but the page gimped and now I'll just have to summarize it because at the end of my last typing, I realised that you were just defending the other guy because you had similar beliefs, and it just bugged you lel.
"I am not the typical anything, you don't know my gender, age or nationality, therefore your argument is void."->> *Oh, look at me, the person knows what I am talking about, the only thing needed when determining your behaviour. While I hatefully spill my guts trying to defend my delusions, but knows NOTHHHHHING About How "Old I am", "where I live" "Which country I was ejected out of a vagina in" FUCKING CHECKMATE, HE GOT NOTHING ON MEEEEE!!!* Sheesh, lol..... It's like entering a battle with all your cards shown, and pretending like nobody knows what's gonna hit them, lololololo.
""Attacking an opponents character in order to invalidate their argument", is the definition of Abusive Ad Hominem.
That is what you are doing in the example of you calling me the "typical "your an idiot" clown"." Jesus fucking fuckty christ. * THE ONLY THING WE ARE TALKING ABOUT, IS THE PEOPLE'S BEHAVIOUR, THEIR BELIEFS, AND THEIR CHARACTER, ARE YOU SELECTIVELY BLIND TO INFORMATION THAT CONTRADICTS YOUR Knuckle dragging ape-kindom's rules?*
HOW THE FUCK IS IT AD HOMINEM IF I AM TALKING ABOUT THE VERY THING THAT IS THE FUCKING TOPIC OF THE OP? Yes, you're THAT Dumb. Blindside master.
"Now you first paragraph after the "your and idiot" point, is complete rubbish and is now way an argument. I'll assume that your just a very emotional young man who likes bananas (yes I watched the video and you can't even peel a fucking banana properly)" LOOOOLLLLLLLL, no.
He, and you, are very much like many other people I've had respond to me in butthurt fury before. What the TYPICAL Monkey does, is go to the Channel Page of the person they could find no way to beat in an argument. Then Getting more butthurt at realising how intellectually hollow your 'beliefs and reasons' are. So, as a last desperate attempt at feeling like such a person has won, they will come back (like him), and then look at random things to attack ON MY YOUTUBE CHANNEL.
SHUT THE FUCK UP ABOUT YOU AND YOUR AD HOMINEM BULLSHIT. DID YOU JUST UNDERSTAND WHAT I WROTE PRIOR TO THIS SENTENCE? heheheheheheheeeeeeeeeeeeeeeee. The IRONY.
But I guess idiots need other idiots to defend them, because they're all they have.
"I" don't hunt and never have as I have no need, however even if you were referring to the individual in the video as opposed to myself, then he DOES need to hunt to survive." No he *DOESN'T 'NEED' IT, LOL. IS HE UNEDUCATED? IS HE A FUCKING HANDICAP? NO. Shut up. You narrow minded prick.
EVERYTHING YOU TRY TO ANALYZE, Is CORRUPTED By your DESPERATION TO PERCEIVE ACTIONS IN YOUR PRE-SUPPOSED SENSE, ultimately just leaving a deluded ape behind. With fancy textile, and electronics, but dumb, lost, ignorant, nonetheless.
""You dumb bitch, I come from a village in India where electricity and internet are a Very new thing, you ignorant entitled little internet whimp. If this doesn't show you how far away from sensible you are, nothing will"
In this statement you imply that my opinion is invalid as you are from India and I am an "entitled internet whimp". This is a prime example of Abusive Ad Hominem." OH MY FUCKING GOD, YOU LITTLE BITCHES WITH YOUR "OH STOP HURTING MY FEELINGS, MY ARBITRARY FEELINGS WITH YOUR AD HOMINEM WORDSSS OHHHHH THEY HURRTTYYY!!! Fuck. Stop. With. The. Ad. Hominem. Bull.Shit.
*Sorry I forgot chicken nuggets fell out of the sky and the world was made of rainbow sparkles.
You may live in a completely safe little modern bubble, not everyone else does.* REMEMBER THIS? YOU FUCKING HYPOCRITICAL Pube, LOLOL!!!!! YES, AN AD HOMINEM, HOLY SHIT. STOP HURTING ME BY SAYING I LIVE IN A SAFE LITTLE MODERN BUBBLE, IT'S ABUSIVE!!!!!!!!!!* THAT WAS THE REASON I SAID THAT, OR DO YOU JUST FORGET SHIT SO FAST ALL THE TIME?
You know what, just don't reply, I'd much prefer that, lol.
just stop entirely.
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Brennan Listle How come this person remembers to eat meat like his ancestors did, and say that he's doing it because of his ancestors. But doesn't seem to be openly raping or enslaving anyone, and probably would be sad at someone doing that to it. So I guess it really is afraid of laws, since it has no actual functional moral compass, just a skill to ape whatever fad it is born into, to fit in an feel relevant, and ape it goooood.
Whether a Poison can Kill you or not, has NOTHING TO DO WITH WHETHER IT'S AN OPTION OR NOT. Veganism is Healthier, by PURE PHYSICAL COMPOSITION, No contest No Piece of flesh you can throw to defend your delusions, BUT!!!, you can just continue believing in the same shit as you always have, why not? Billions of people are just believing random shit just to feel like they're not worthless, everything from religion to diet. Can't blame sheep for sticking to the herd, can we?
"As with anything eating proper amounts is healthy" Then start Eating Sand, rock, asphalt, urine and donated jizz, and cardboard, too, I'm sure there's elements you've never consumed, might just be the right choice for you, won't know if you don't try. *Because if you eat JUST THE PROPER AMOUNTS of that, it's Healthy as Fucccccckk!! HOLeeeee Sheeetttttttt.*
Just because you can eat something and digest it, doesn't mean you were MADE to eat it, but that never stopped anybody from murder, lel.
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donnacha o brien Does it make any difference, if I just simply Murder someone, in comparison to using their body, to gratify myself? Sexually, Nutritionally, emotionally. So I mutilate their corpse(which I made happen) and then I Hack it into pieces(after raping it, of course, because you wanna make use of every part, like hunters do, Don't wanna waste the animal, mkay?
It would actually call for a HARSHER PUNISHMENT, LOL. *Only twist is, This world is full of your kind, so, the judge eats ham, the attorney eats it, the fucking announcer eats it, the lawmakers eat it, so It's only fucking natural that it would be perfectly fine. How don't people see this, despite having a pair of fairly functional eyes....
"Neither is worse." I totally agree. A Rapist, a skinning rapist, a cannibal rapist, in the end, all rape, and because they want to, and are the same, just with a different stroke.
Well, the reason I use such analogies, is because humans in this time period, mostly just imitate the Fads they were born into, and then grow up being fed words to make yourself and other humans feel special, and so rape is suddenly a big thing, *To the same people who're trapping, enslaving and killing HUNDREDS OF BILLIONS ANNUALLY, Because they Feel like it, NOT BECAUSE THEY NEED IT.*So, it's much easier to make you react "morally" to the things you've been trained to give moral consideration to, which is pitiful, because that is not the real world, so enjoy it.
Lel.
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Brennan Listle ? You do realise, the things you use to cook meat, ARE NOT MEAT, AND DO NOT COUNT, right? A bowl of only meat, and only vegan food, lol. Enjoy the meat, morals don't matter anyway, it's all about DIET and being NATURAL.
Your Moral "sphere" is only limited to your own specie, I'm not assuming this, tis but fact, young laddy!! And, even within that ONE specie, you only really show concern about your immediate personal interests. clapclapclap
What a beautiful morally astute human! Wow, ONE SPECIE? Out of Millions others perfectly sentient existences? Pretty moooral, m8. What a disservice to life.
Fuck, I forgot, there's no morals outside humans, oh the golden rule of being acknowledged, totally slipped my mind.
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Brennan Listle You killing and eating animals in the name of "food chain", when there's thousands of alternatives, literally. *Is the same as me raping someone to have my children so my genes survive, despite having a society where I can find a relationship. In the name of "Survival", lol.
Pathetic. How dense, that you didn't even think, that other species DON'T LIVE IN A FUCKING SOCIETY WHERE THEY HAVE SHIT LIKE WELFARE, SUPERMARKETS, HOSPITALS, ETC. Holy FUCK!!!!!!
EVEN HUMANS AREN'T CONDEMNED FOR KILLING OTHER HUMANS, IN WAR ZONES OR OTHER DANGEROUS AREAS, BECAUSE IT'S A DIFFERENT FUCKING ENVIRONMENT, AND THE RULES CHANGE EVEN FOR HUMANS, IN HUMAN ENVIRONMENT, THEN HOW DID YOU NOT FIGURE THAT ALL THE OTHER SPECIES, DO NOT HAVE PREDISPOSED CONVENIENCE OF CIVILISATION, YOU FUCK!!!!!! You suffer from cognitive dissonance, if you search the wikipedia page, you will find examples which will make you realise your delusions and bias.
Ironically, you felt like you really had it all figured it out, LOL. Funny I was just watching a video on how people believe in things, and then need to look at things in a certain way where they don't realise their immoral nature, which leads them to ignore all contradictory information, and then spend their lives surrounded by the same kind of people because every other opinion just starts tearing at their fantasy.
Holyeeeeee Fuckeeeeeee!!!!!
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Brennan Listle There's nothing to be proud of "being a hunter", lol. What the fuck are you doing "Hunting" when there's food in the fucking supermarket. Oh wait, I'm talking to a fucking idiot, who doesn't even believe that other animals suffer, as well. Because this idiot doesn't know how something suffers, so he just pretends like the world just works in a certain way where he and his herd are made special by themselves so they can do whatever they want to anyone else without feeling any moral responsibility.
You know, like what the jihadists do when killing other people, "they're just infidels". THEIR BELIEF IS JUST AS GOOD AS YOURS, BECAUSE THEY BOTH LACK ANY FACTUAL BACKING, SIMPLE, lol.
"I'm a huntaa shmghumg"!! The Terrorists can say the same thing. They hunt infidels like you, they are just as justified as you are.
"I kill myself so the whole you pay to have someone impregnate doesn't exactly work but I did get a good chuckle out ta that" *Hahaha, yeah sure thing. I'm just going to totally believe that you've NEVER EVER HAD A FUCKING HAMBURGER, OR ANY OTHER MEAT FROM OUTSIDE your "Hunted"/murdered animals, sure, Also I bet every animal product in your house is totally hunted for by you, sure, totally believing that, Or not.
Also, your "hunting" has no moral justification, which you already know, that's why you pretend the whole moral argument Just magically doesn't exist when killing someone, holy fuck, how deep do you have to go up your own ass until the screams stop meaning anything, lol? Well, you're there already. Gratzzzzzzzz hunter brahhhh. Delusional Roleplaying ape, kek. But you won't get what I'm saying, because you're in very shit that I am insulting(based on evidence ofc, don't want another bitch crying about ad hominems as a desperate last resort).
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Brennan Listle There are Tens of thousands if not millions of "HUMANS" who live in the jungle, do things like the animals, with the animals, and have NO BIAS TOWARDS THEMSELVES OR THE ANIMALS, unlike the one you've inherited from your herd, because it grants you their favor and "like us"ness. You know, the basics of surviving in a herd.
You fail to see it.
First you call yourself(humans) BETTER, and then, do defend why you are better than the "animals", YOU USE THEIR ACTIONS THEIR ENVIRONMENT AND THEIR LACK OF EDUCATION AND A SETTLED SOCIETY, TO JUSTIFY YOUR ACTIONS IN ONE, HOLY SHIT!!!!! All this time, you're failing to understand the basic function of sentience, and in turn, the brain, which is the source of sentience, You take the brain out, you take yourself out. Simple, but hey, that never stopped any megalomaniac lunatic from going on a killing spree, all the while the monsters on their tables get together and feel "all the real family love", when you don't even understand how the brain functions, you're nowhere near understanding each other, you just make the vaguest assumptions and then dumb each other down to those assumptions, like a good sheep.
This is what I see as karma, after some time of having concluded that karma doesn't exist. What you pay with, for your actions, is a life of those actions, a life that cannot be good, for if killing animals is GOOD, then what is it's POLAR OPPOSITE, NOT KILLING THEM? EVIL? LOL!!! So, You'll live a life where you lie to yourself everyday, to your family, they lie back to you, you all lie to each other, just so you can live in your fantasy of being some super specialy feeling being of inherent trait which makes you the only creature capable of suffering. How much more conceited can one get? All because you didn't want to change a lie you've been living for so long, so you'll throw away the chance to stop and change, and keep on playing until you stop working. Never having to openly admit guilt, lol. What a real "man". huhuhu/
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Brennan Listle " why does the plant question scare you lol" Lol, no. I just missed that post. Went and looked at it, hence the previous post. Pretty solid stuff, you are probably overloading with cognitive dissonance if you did read through it, or maybe you brain just avoided it entirely, regardless, I've answered your STUPID QUESTION, WHICH YOU COULD'VE FOUND THE ANSWER TO, BY SPENDING 5 SECONDS ON GOOGLE.COM, FUCK, LOL!!!! AND YOU THOUGHT THAT WAS THE FUCKING BOMBBBBBBB, Wooohhhh, lel........ Oh sheesh, might as well spare you the pain and leave you to your miserable state, and your children can just decide for themselves, it's not like they're blind or something, but hey, gotta live up to dadda's expectations. So, I'll take my leaves, have fun manly righteous family man hunter, lel.
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Brennan Listle "you're a hypocrite putting itself at a godlike level deciding wats OK to kill what suffers in your opinion and yet you make me sound as if I think I'm special lol" *THAT WOULD ACTUALLY BE YOU, LOL*, assuming that you and your kids are somehow More than the animals you kill and eat, add narrow minded as fuck to your resume, too. Sheeh, Let me take a break now, you've done enough stupid to last me days.
And look, You like every typical herdboy, Just asked my the stupid plant question, then got put down, and then returned to save face and pretending like that never even happened, lol. It's here for anyone to see, too late, bitch. But I guess your whole world exists in the headspace anyway.
"l I'll be the first to say I believe humans are a step above animals just as whales are to krill... is that bad in your opinion I guess but it doesn't make you right. As long as you kill the animal as quickly as possible I'm OK with it... :-) now time for this steak sub I brought from home" Just adding to the hypocrisy. Again, you're just a coward hiding in your little herd with rules made to protect your own little coward ass. You wouldn't survive a day in the real wild, that's why you hide and shoot a gun from behind a bush, and pretend like you're some ancient super hunter or something, while being sub par in mind and body, nastayyyy..
Look at this person's words, people; "BELIEVE", HE BELIEVESSS ITT, THEREFORE IT'S TRUE FOR HIM. , LOL!
This is the depths to what the "intelligent human brain" can sink into, and not even out of a disease or physical injury, BUT OUT OF CONSCIOUS CHOICE TO BELIEVE TOTAL BULLSHIT JUST TO FEEL RELEVANT AND NOT JUST LIKE ANOTHER ANIMAL, BECAUSE THAT WOULD MAKE PRETENDING LIKE THEY DON'T SUFFER, MUCH MUCH HARDER!!! Ok I'm done for reals now. I've put the little remaining smacks in this one. Nibble nibble.
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Hans Tun The reason why that few people wear fur, is because Wearing fur, has BECOME A STIGMA, NOT BECAUSE IT'S WRONG.
This specie follows the closest trends it finds, the ones which help it gratify itself. NOT BECAUSE They UNDERSTAND GOOD AND EVIL. I'll just tell you know that your case is MORALLY DEFENSELESS. THERE IS NOTHING THAT ANYONE CAN SAY, BECAUSE IN THE END, YOUR ACTIONS DO NOT CHANGE.
"Killing for vanity is wrong...simple as that." Why? That must mean killing for gluttony, when there's 10,000 different options to choose from, is wrong too? Oh, I GUESS NOT, lol.
Just because what you do is LESS WORSE than What Mink factories do, DOES NOT MEAN ITS SUDDENLY RIGHT. Just because I Abuse my children in LESS EVIL Ways than my neighbor, Doesn't make me a good person, let alone a better person. because ABUSE is in BOTH Cases.
Just like with you and them, The MURDERER is Still YOU. Flipping Flopping words will do NOTHING. Well it sure as heck seems to make you feel better.. The Animal was innocent, You weren't a part of its natural environment (Then I don't know how the fuck you assumed that, maybe sitting behind the bushes in the jungles makes you feel like that, maybe that's what you're so into),
That's like saying "I don't Use my Slaves for tough farm work and starve them, because that's horrible. I just use them to pull my cart and to construct buildings, and do house chores for me at 0.00 wages.. and starve and whip them if they don't work. See? Both Still SLAVERS in the end, even though one is "better" than the other. "I don't Rape my Baby boy, I just fondle his privates, I'm NOT LIKE THE RAPISTS!! I just make real love to the baby, Says the paedophile. And the Audience throws roses at his feet, for how much better than the other paedophile he is"... :|, yeah, the whole "reasoning" is mental.
Hmm, we want to be better people, but I just enjoy meat too much. I wonder what to do. Oh, That's right, I can just say that the people skinning the animals are worse than me, the one who hunts them because it loves the thrill so much. I mean going to the supermarket is easier, but I guess I'll just be a GOOD GUY, AND GO KILL SOME RANDOM ANIMAL and then tell everyone how I do it strictly for teh foods and goods.
Yo, guys!! Check this out, I found a Totally LEGIT WAY TO BE GOOD, AND STILL MURDER!!!!! -> First, just acknowledge that you Kill the animal, cut their organs up, pull their leather(on which fur already exists), then eat them. THEN, You Tell the people that THE ACTUAL BAD GUYS, Are the ones who Raise the animals, then Kill them, then Pull their Leather out (On which the Mink/Fur exists), then use the remaining body for whatever else they feel like.
WOW, YEAH, I TOTALLY SEE A DIFFERENCE!!! You must feel so "Oh yeah I'm totally not murdering something just now, because I think those other guys are worse" vibe all the time behind the crosshair, huh?
Oh, jee. Come on, man. Is that how low the standards of "being good" have been dragged to? So low, that even the lowest kind of life, just walk up and is deemed the best. If such is the case, why even bother? That's right, even a corrupted mind, one so far gone, longs to be perceived as good and righteous, even by oneself, lying to get one's way WON'T BE THE FIRST TIME! :D
Don't need to reply to me. If you realise you're wrong, then you know what to do. If not, then please, do continue as you have (even if it comes at the price of living a life of lying to yourself every single day).
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BakedAlaska I never said he "pretends to be not blind". I said, he doesn't come to terms with his situation and continues to act like he can hunt, and wants to go on doing something, the outcome of which is just someone dying (oh i guess it doesn't matter since its not of our species).
Dude, wtf, lol? Where did i say " we need to go on hunting to keep animal populations down " ? Are you shitting on my pants right now?..
People here like to pretend like they're a part of the natural order and that life is "tough" so better kill or be killed, all that macho small dick bullshit. They pretend like they're killing for the same reasons as wild animals do, LOL, this world's delusion's over 9000000000000000000!!
Stop including yourself among "every species". Our species has a CHOICE, yet you want to go on killing when there is no need, and then enjoying it, not to forget Justifying and Commending it. *Flies away*
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Mario Betancourt haha, I much prefer the title of a" Mentally handicapped hypocrite" (Though i think you need to be logically functional to commit hypocrisy), than be tagged with a bunch of dysfunctional, senseless fucks who use "nature" as an excuse to go around killing without purpose(well or some purpose pulled of of their nan's ass), Not to mention Feeling jacked up and badass about it and then for the bonus, commending and justifying it, lol. Bigots who see every other lifeform other than the ones like themselves, as lesser than them, and as their property. Kind of like the Nazis and the Slave Owners( Probably your ancestors, no wonder, lel)
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Bart Van Riel You are telling me to be proud because people before me ended up creating fights that they didn't have to, first you create a problem, then pretend like you solved it, then wait for the future where everyone praises you.
"Fought to raise me", "ashamed", they were actually vegetarians and did not hunt, and we lived just fine, not great, lol, but fine.
People shouldn't talk when they only look as far as they've been told.
No, Blind people aren't stupid(well the stupid ones are, but that goes for everyone), but this one in particular, is.
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XmadbeastX And what part of "being with nature" has anything to do with killing an animal?
It's self affirming delusion, something you people create out of thin air, like more of this civilisation, which is evil in it's roots, but you call it sacred/special, because otherwise, you would be the guilty one.
"over populated" Have you seen the Human? How Many that species has made, go hunt them.
"ethical", Is it Ok if i kill somebody, then EAT them, Will i be Freed of my Sins? Lol, How come you are so special then? Oh that's right, because everyone else around you told you and they are so. I guess they're right, or in allegory, just a whole pile of idiots who change the Very Standard of stupidity so they become smart people.
dude, you are making be believe that you have somewhat flawed logic, here's why : First you say "Deer are overpopulated" not in comparison, no, but Ok.
Then you say "we kill them so they don't die to disease or Brutal winters." Are you shitting me? Let's Kill EVERY ANIMAL RIGHT NOW, so they Don't die NATURAL DEATHS, Yeah, We're Doing GOOD by killing an animal RIGHT NOW, so that he/she doesn't even get the chance to try. Nice nice nice nice.
Yeah, the first time you shot a deer, you cried because you couldn't kill him in one shot, because the life didn't leave him instantly, it seeped out, slowly, but you still went on to end his existence, and then had some nice steak and boom, happy ending in your house with your mom with your dad, meanwhile the parent/child of the Deer would be out there Searching and searching.
You're not a douchebag because you shot a deer, but i will call you one, not because you took a life (People do that everyday when they have their food), but because you killed one with your very hands, and you sere STILL incapable of seeing how similar you were, you rejected his being, you called it meat, you rejected the pain he felt because of you.
If you talk to a Rapist, or a Serial Killer, or your chip off the old block Woman Beater, They CAN EACH, give you a Reason to Why they find Their Respective Actions MEANINGFUL, how they "connect" to their Recipient, they ALL have a Justification for doing it.
Now, Multiply the number of Aforementioned People to EQUAL The number of current Hunters, etc.
What Difference do you see? A different animal is suffering, suffering nonetheless.
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Vie Loi Actually, if you mean <that picture, then you are wrong, lol.(why would i put someone else's image as mine, lol?.. unless for a joke, then it makes sense, but come on haha).
At this point, if I were you, I would stop and think to myself, who's the misinformed and ignorant one :D.
What a Self-Pwn, lol
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Arthur Rightus Well, here's the thing: I accept intelligent arguments against my "beliefs" and respond to them politely, mostly.
BUT, when I see people who are even Older than me, and have a MUCH better LIFE, have access to more INFORMATION with ease, yet they come here with their random points, with so much confidence in their validity. I will State some, for example:
1- "We help animals by eating them or they would become extinct."
2- "Eating Plants actually wastes more land and resources."
3- "Humans are predators and this is survival."
4- "They don't think like us."
5- "You NEED to eat meat or you will be unhealthy and malnourished."
6- "We help save deforestation."
7 "We help take care of the animal and their families in the abattoir."
8- "You murder Vegetables, you're no better(lol)."
Etc,etc,etc.
You expect me to have a sensible discussion with them? The same people who, if gave the smallest shits about ANY animal, then they WOULD STOP Killing SEVERAL BILLION sentient beings EVERY YEAR, but cry for for animal getting beaten with a stick, and then PRETEND that they've done nothing bad? Then Still go on filling and spreading this garbage around the world.
Talk about herd mentality. Everyone with the same fucked up thoughts which support their habits, get together in unison, and suddenly, Taking billions of lives, VOLUNTARILY, becomes a Cool thing to do and everyone's doing it and it's the shit, lol. remembers Nazi Germany and the Ussr(but they actualy killed less "non-people")
Yeah, I can't have a decent conversation with those kind of people and there's so many of them, that the new ones just look at the numbers and a button clicks, and its all Perfect... well at least for you. The Billions still die, but hey, it's nice and warm on the table, who gives a shit what they were before being food, amirite guiissse?!
You apparently think that a DEER's life is INTRINSICALLY below a Human's, do you know how fucking stupid that sounds to an intelligence that is not human?
You are telling me that an animal who NEVER committed a crime, never hurt anybody, NEVER fucking EVER, is LOWER than men who beat women, rapists, KKK, terrorists, Capitalists, Murderers, Pedophiles, and the other 141251564 things that follow, simply because they look/sound/etc/etc, like you, or because someone told you so?
If you read till here, Here's the funny thing:
If all these people Actually wanted to or actually cared, they would have made the tiniest effort to at least educate themselves about the lives they are taking(you too probably), and wouldn't be offended by what I said, because it's more honest than the self-justifying/herofying bullshit most people've been feeding themselves here.
We're done here.
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Arthur Rightus No, they're not helpful in preventing "overpopulation" (doesn't realise his own species is overpopulating but that's not a problem lol, here cometh the double standards,or denial). First, the same hunters(or the same kind), goes and kills all the NATURAL PREDATORS, then says " dawmn, these deers are growing out of control, JESUS BLESS ME, I'm going in to stop the Mass populated Deers of satan!!" Goddammit stop with this shit lol.
If this is NOT self-pwn, then what is, lol? Do you REALLY want your one flash of existence in this universe to be lost by the ideas of the ones who came before, and then you "inherit" them so proudly, thinking that it actually means something.
OF COURSE I WILL WRITE A NOVEL, LOL. That's how much effort it takes to describe the mass ignorance going on here, along with correcting it for people who might be willing to change their minds, so shoot me(or the deer, because he's automatically inferior to me by the law of allah or god or something).
Meat eating helps ZERO in "feeding the overpopulating", as i said, If you wanted to do research, 3 minutes would have been more than enough to tell you that it takes Multiples of times more land to grow the crops t ofeed the same animals who when killed produce maybe 10% of the total food (but oooh praise the almighty meat). Did nobody tell you that only around 45% of a pig is edible and the beef falls around the same lines too.
I'd rather be stubborn, than be completely wrong about what I "know" yet go on believing because it supports the actions which would be condemned otherwise."
Here's another thing:
I'd rather be hostile and stubborn on a comment section of youtube than be out there partaking in the celebrated slaughter of billions of sentient beings, who are betrayed by the very people who raised them, lol, and then Feeling good about it and actually warping my thoughts so far, that it feels like it all makes sense.
Try imagining a mountain of all the living things that died for people like you(even that of the last year is enough), the final thoughts of every single one of them, a mountain of corpses and entrails which you and many others took part in, and now you celebrate it, because you are so deep into it that you don't even feel it's worth turning back, so you WILL probably still continue, because your nevrous system has comfy'd into the whole idea.
Or maybe becayse you just don't like me, so your mind will try to avoid anything that i say, doesn't matter how factually correct it might be, because that would spoil the haven of ideas that your mind has built. And it is, sadly so very easy, to go on pretending than face reality. ooh, whammy.
Peace out blazeit 420
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***** I am the creator of the OP, so, if you do, it seems to be giving you random trouble that i reply to the posts on MY OP, i certainly feel obligated. But, i shall not waste more time on you, just had to reply to clarify somethings, lel.
That apparently wasn't obvious enough to your obviousness meter.
An idiot calling me an idiot, i guess it must be justified in your little brain, so can't really blame you. "higher state of consciousness", lol, don't make me laugh. Just because a few human beings became smarter than the majority, you guys again, start bandwagoning and leeching off someone else's achievements to make yourself feel like you did something.
Blazeit.fegit.
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***** If you see some of the posts from maybe a few weeks ago, i am relatively calm in my approach. Though, none of what i wrote is to help me. I am not here to give rights to myself, or defend myself. Heck, our "beliefs" and "Ideas" are almost a non-factor, yet someone could actually think that it is better to continue the killing than it is to stop, at least if your life doesn't depend on it.
But I'm not gonna just let someone tell me and impressionable people all around, that it is Better to kill and eat them than it is to completely leave them alone. Everytime i make a statement, people just seem to never judge themselves, they just think that everything that they thought up till now, has worked till today, why not forever? Maybe it is the good thing to do after all.
Of course you didn't say the quoted words, but you did say that "Humans" as Whole, have reached a higher state of consciousness, which other animals have not.
That is incorrect. Here's why: There's animals who have thousands of times better senses than we do, which means they can perceive the world better than us in certain aspects, like birds can sense the electro magnetic waves of this planet, which means they ARE more conscious of those things. a being with higher consciousness does not go around robbing people of their rights, or ANYTHING negative deliberately done by humanity.
There are people who are so addicted to some chemicals, that they want nothing else, there's people who lie on the road all day. I doubt they've reached a higher level of consciousness, and that's just ones from the bottom of the pile.
That is why I said your morality is limited to certain chosen organisms who you/environment around you picks as a no-no to eat and the ones you eat, suddenly become excluded and don't matter as if you have all the answers and the perfect conclusion's that they are GO to eat. I just don't understand how a mind can function in this way and accept it as correct.
Your Empathy has holes in it. Holes which let the animals you consume be nothing more than food, and of course you Know that what you think is right or you wouldn't be thinking like that.
That's the weirdest thing, to think that it's better to eat meat than it is to not, or why would you deliberately choose the latter.
Yep, we be tricky self eluding master creatures.
I am here, speaking for the whole planet, and then i have to respond to the same garbage they throw at me everytime, the same unfounded shiznit.
When i mention people like Adolf and Stalin, is to Show you, how the people who they massacred, were no MORE than ANIMALS to them. Entire Countries consisting of "Higher consciousness" humans, Rallied towards the genocide of a certain type of people, because it benefited them. IF you do not want to notice the striking similarity in the mental process of warping one's perception, then you don't have to, it doesn't make a difference in my mind.
Not acknowledging a Disease doesn't make it go away, and calling it a good thing, doesn't change it either. That is what that idea is.
We can ramble ramble ramble for Days on end, trying to pretend like we are the holders of the ultimate answer, rejecting the other person's ideas, but in the end, Billions of animals will still die, as they are dying while I type this and nothing has changed, worse yet, People truly believe that it's better to consume sentient beings, than it is to not, lel.
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Well, my family was against any products which kill animals. Well they all had religious reasons, but it still leads them to NOT participate in the genocide(it is by Definition, a perpetuated genocide). My reasons were religious in the early years, but I stayed like that for my morals.
. All my life, I lived in a village, so The cow from whom I got the milk, lived in the next door, never suffered(let alone getting strung upside down and throat cut).
I did once, with my nephew, accidentally take a bit of meat "dumplings", because you don't know what's inside. Well we spat it out in the first bite, and my nephew threw up in front of me, lol. That's the closest I got to it.
Yes, you don't find it fun, but the animals who die for it don't really care what you feel(because they're busy getting butchered). "I keeping these 'coloured' slaves and beating women, but I do not enjoy it " (you might not be able to see the similarity, but I can, because I am not biased towards animals who simply look like me).
Ask yourself; "Did you REALLY need to kill the ones you did, or you could have done with some veggies and bread?" Was it Literally, the ONLY choice you had?"
Heck, man, we were poor, but never so much that we had to kill someone to eat.
I feel morality coming from you, but I ask you to revalue what you learnt all these years, I am a pessimist at heart, but I still don't throw morality out, instead try to build it outside the safe circle of the human perception and comfort.
Peace :D. and if you read till here, sorry for my harsh language, but I am simply not trying to get on the good side of people. Is that what I must do to make people realise the obvious? I just skip the PR :D
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John Hernandez Another guy insulting my name, What can i do to help it, if the Village padre gave me this name, under the holy Cross. STOP HATIN', lol.
Actually, Using someone's name to insult their intellect, IS the IDIOCY.
Of course, you can generalise and be wrong, doesn't mean you're wrong everytime.(you are, in my case.)
But again, I am NOT generalising, people here should, for once, try being less in Denial.
I guess getting a job is the definition of "having a life" here lol.
You should stop creating mental blocks just because someone has a certain name, and I think it's swaggy. #Donthateyolo . #Swagout #dontlethastagsmakeyouangrytoo
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democratic election, correction-> ELECTORAL COLLEGE, filled with 1%'s selected pawns who can NEGATE DEMOCRATIC VOTE OF THE PEOPLE LIKE IT WAS NOTHING, ANY MOMENT, and CHOOSE THE PERSON THEY WANT. SO BASICALLY, YOUR VOTE, OR ANYONE'S FOR THAT MATTER, IS AND WAS WORTH NOTHING, AND IT HAS BEEN WORTH NOTHING SINCE THE CONCEPTION OF USA LOLLLLLLLLLLLLLL. High levels of comedic idonry detected. Basically, your "democracy" is a fucking sham. A facade that you so proudly latch onto for your own validation. Irony rising, must evacuate.
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***** No, I don't skate, but I played video games rode bicycles, climbed mountains,etc and i Say the Same Thing about them, and almost everything that humans do.
Just because you do them or a small part of the world does them, or heck, even a big part of the world does it, it STILL DOESN'T make it sensible to Kill your partner and commit suicide.
Like you are to SkateBoarding, almost all humans are to some other activity. So are you telling me that EVERY ACTION we do, Is meaningful, Then why aren't you doing the things many of the other 7 billion right people are doing, do you not "find meaning" in them?
You see, the word skateboard, didn't exist outside a lot of america for quite some time.
You might understand in time.
Another person bashing usernames, lol.
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greg humiston I actually have. Not as a hobby, but as a "hey, lemme try the board for a sec".
You see, IF the FIRST people who 'invented the skateboard' never let it become a reality, You and everyone who's so attached to it, like they would die if it left them, wouldn't even know that it could have existed and will NEVER miss it, because you don't miss something you never knew about. And would be doing something completely different and Saying the SAME THINGS about that. Heck, you could just be born in Afghanistan or Mongolia, and never even know what a skateboard even looks like.
I can just, simply start making circles on the wall, and saying "this gives my life meaning and I would be nothing without drawing these circles on the wall, and nobody can say anything because they don't know what it feels like."
And you know what? If I think hard enough and trick myself (as everyone does them, in their daily lives, to do the things they hate, just to get the things they don't need), IT WILL Become like that.
Same goes for everything else that humans come up with. It's all a temporary fad, created arbitrarily, which people like to stick to and blow it out of proportions, and then use the people below to cash in on, and then leave. boom.
It should be played as a sport, enjoyed as a sport, loved as a sport, kept as a sport. But the folks who get the $$$$ out of it, DO want you to feel like it's your life and it means more than just entertainment, or why would you pay them?
Everyone wants an 'easy meaning and purposefulness to life', but there's no point sticking a fad to it, and saying "done, meaning found."
Hope I'm not being harsh or anything, I just wanted to give you a perspective of what skateboarding is and How Tiny fraction of space it takes up on the "Human Timeline".
Not always fun to think like this, but helps get a bigger perspective of things, more than what concerns just us in our towns and homes, in contrast to time and space. <3
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szymborski11 Perhaps, yes, that could be. Even among crazy people and their actions(or what leads to madden them), there are so many things from upbringing to their genes, so that makes it hard to conclude, yes. But, most people are built(or prefer) to conform to the environment and create a positive feedback loop kind of thing, a wanted 'culture'. But there are so many sports-people you can see who've gone 3deep into throwing some things around. Because it is also about the money they make. You can't deny that it drives people crazy. Because there is the element of money within us, some choose to feed it, some can reject it, we call it greed ;).
Oh, and they become intertwined, so that feeds itself, bam.
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***** *btw, hope you don't think im like a hippie or something who is all emotional and shit, because that would be hilarious*
Let's begin:::
Do you know how Completely Stupid you guys sound when you say things like:
"We kill animals because we have to "SUSTAIN" ourselves #hardcorenature5ever ."
or another favourite:
"you are killing generations of Tomatoes and carrots you are the same as us." LOLOLOLO
Ok, now time to explain.
1: You are NOT sustaining yourself by killing other animals. It's actually a complete waste of healthy land and Drinking water.
Do you know how much Land and water it takes to make 1 pound of beef?
It takes 200 fucking squared meters of land and around 11000 LITERS OF WATER to give you ONE POUND of beef. The figures float around this, depending on the varying animals.
OH WAIT, also, hardly 40% of a cow is edible , around 50% for chicken ON TOP OF THE HUGE RESOURCE WASTE. So yeah, your whole "we help earth by eating meat" shit is also SHIT. Along with " the world would be overrun by trees", etc.
#way3gosustaining *PATHETIC*
So yeah, point 1 is out of the fucking window.
Now, for #2 :
Let me begin with how completely idiotic this excuse of you guys sounds to a logical person.
Have you done even a page of study on what makes up animal bodies and what makes up plant bodies??? I doubt it.
You know what your "human" exists in? Your "Being", your "Soul"(laughs), "you". Do you know where these things exist?
DAS RIGHT KIDS, IN the Fucking NERVOUS SYSTEM, WHICH THE FUCKING PLANTS DO NOT HAVE, THEY DO NOT HAVE A SON, NEITHER DO THEY HAVE A DAUGHTER, THEY DO NOT FEED THEIR YOUNG THEIR MILK, THEY DO NOT CARE FOR OTHERS AROUND THEM, THEY DO NOT THINK, THEY DO NOT HAVE A CONSCIOUSNESS, THEY DO NOT FEEL THE BLADE NEITHER DO THEY HAVE EMOTIONS.
holy shit, lol.
Seriously, you ignorant self blowing cave-men!
Why do you waste my time like this?
Do you enjoy living this lie? The one you use your ancestors as an excuse to perpetuate, along with anyone who agrees. Maybe on your deathbed you may realise it, maybe you already do but can't accept it,maybe your perception is irreparably warped/
I've taken my time to think about it well before even watching this video.
lol, i don't think so.
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***** Now, back to the debate.
1: So, just because you consume the product, doesn't make it "efficient", quite the contrary, its a complete Waste, the same land you could use to grow forests, or grow food for starving humans, you Deliberately Breed animals to billions of them, and then stuff them with all the food, just so you can eat them later. I find this to be a pathetic excuse. You are not sustaining, Do you know what sustainable is? this is not sustainable, it is WASTEFUL. you spend 100 units of resource on raising, breeding, sheltering, transporting, killing, etc,etc and get 5 units in the end and go like "YEAH FUCKING EFFICIENT SUSTAINING, WOOOOO". I thought human consciousness was moving forward..
2:When i mentioned the "soul", i mentioned it among many other examples, i didn't know your beliefs, it could be anything.
the thing people call soul, does not exist.
It's just another tool, among many, to make us feel like we're entitled to more, that we are more, without even making the effort.
But it shouldn't give you an excuse to completely ignore the whole statement, haha.
You seem to be so desensitised towards animal consciousness, you just do not see it. Because your mind has bent to it's environment, where you can not build your own moral values, because you rest on this pre-built idea which is too precious to you, because it renders you innocent.
No, i am not religious, nor am i spiritual, not superstitious either. So i think that covered #2.
The cave-men word was like an analogy, to the building of one idea, and enforcing it through the beliefs of others around you and shunning/dismissing any opposing idea, no matter how factual, and how disproving, the cave becomes the bubble, which keeps you from ever changing your thoughts, because you find comfort in it, and the outside, the change of thought strikes uncertainty and fear.
Ignorance is to knowledge what rust is to iron.
Ooohhhh Damnnn!! I just came up with that! Oohhh
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***** I will still have you know that I have never consumed, voluntarily, any meat, in my whole life, and i am perfectly fine, not short skinny, malnourished, etc, nothing, so meat being a non "reciprocal" product, not to forget everyone that dies in the process. Just how not eating meat doesn't kill me, eating meat doesn't make me hulk, actually, many diseases/ pathogens in it.
In simple words: I see myself as someone who can think more than a wild animal, and someone who has choices and understanding of actions and morality. I do not look at the truth of the civilisation around us, because that keeps changing, so it has not much to do with morality, but with choice.
I, like most everybody else, have a CHOICE of letting other animals live, not involving someone's death in every other meal (and looking at it with a warped pov), i WILL take it over killing animals and finding an excuse to call it ok, Anyday.
If to you, there exist various levels of morals, if not true good and evil, would you NOT call Killing and eating innocent animals who have been stripped of everything they were to be born into a LESS MORAL act than going about eating carrots and potatoes?
Neither of them may be "evil", nor may they be "good", but One WILL BE WORSE than the other. And i seriously doubt that it's the one who doesn't want to kill.
I'm not even being biased to my beliefs, it's just literally more moral than killing and eating animals, Especially when there is absolutely no need of it.
If a man wants his conscience to strike him, even stepping on an ant can break him, and if he doesn't, then killing 6 million(ish) Jews may also not be enough.
It's our choice, at least regarding what goes on in our thoughts, or at least the ones that shape us.
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***** Hehe It's quite funny, but I Live in India, and from what i remember, around the time i was born, i think we didn't even have a house to live in, Let alone being in a developed country, hehe :B. I am half scottish though, but i've never seen Scotland, so you can say that i have spent, literally, my whole life, living in a 2nd world(ish) country, and turned out pretty healthy compared to a lot of people, even if they ate meat and i wouldn't credit it all to genes.
You could say that i come from a "tough(ish) life", because the difficulty of your life is relative to the one you compare it to, but i got education, so. :D
You will miss no core nutrient if you don't eat meat. Hemp seeds even have Omega-3 Fatty acid, along with others of the line, which according to many people "only fishes have" and I live in INDIA lele, you must have it so much easier there, getting any product you want, relatively, take my word on it, you don't need it if you stop telling yourself that you do.
Believe me, a KG of meat(unhygenic, killed and cut on the side of the road, in a make-shift meat shop here, often costs more than 10 KGs of some vegetable, depending on the prices, but never less. And you can't eat meat by itself either, well you can, but.. well maybe someone likes it.
Yes, the morality tug. But remember, there will be an intrinsic morality to everything, one that humans only try to interpret. But keep this in mind, two people's morals are not Equal, no matter how much equality someone wants, there will be those which are closer to the "Real moral" than others, and that is just how it is. I wouldn't put Jihadists and rapists(and a thousand other things) on the same moral level as me, would you at your own? This proves that morals are not equal, well they can all mean the same to you, but then again, that only covers you.
Oh, yes. Of course i am killing "something" when i have food. But it is not the same thing that feels pain and emotions, you know, all that "humane" jazz. It is the least preferred way of eating, since it is least cruel, or Less cruel, which it is for sure.
No nervous system, no sense of being, yes "existence" but no conscience, no consciousness,etc etc.
If you will put a scrutiny stick on me for "killing vegetables", aren't the pigs and cows you have, also Fed "killed vegetables", too?, and in gargantuan amounts, compared to myself.
If you want to pull the "Line" so thin, then envelop other humans into it, too. How do humans stay free from your judgement, is it because so many of them share the same idea as you? Is it the subconscious bending of your thoughts towards preferring another "species", or is it just the obeying of a pre-installed programming?
"When you say, "One life to sustain another", you do know that it is more like "One life every other meal or two to sustain my tummy."
In this human world, people who can buy things, don't eat to "survive" or "sustain", they eat when it's Breakfast lunch dinner, etc. You can NOT apply that term here.
Tips on how to not make beliefs biased: Take two options, think about which one has a worse outcome, not just for yourself, use the point of view of the ones who are subjected to actions in it, because of YOUR DEMAND, then choose the one which is less murderous, these are harsh words, but that is what it is, Murder.
Definition: Unlawful killing. Will you say that the animal Deserved to die? Would you say that he commited a crime, so he should die? How come to kill a man, you have to go through a billion trials, even if he is a knuckle dragging pedophile serial killer. to have him executed, but damn, when it comes to "animals" They seem worse than that guy to you, huh.
This human propensity to create this self supporting idea that humans have "reached" some stage where their life is above, and everything that you can take, you TAKE, because that's what Raiders, pillagers, etc did, they just didn't discriminate.
Have you thought what that pig might haver thought, when they pulled him into that room, the same men who raised him, then hung him upside down and slit his throat.
I really don't think you've tried to empathise with the animals you lead to their deaths, or maybe try harder, or better.
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catothewiser Oh yeah, I guess Texas has a lot of beef loving people, saw some shows on some restaurants, Master Chef, I think. The peer pressure is there too, haha.
I just laughingly tell myself how simple a task it is, to refrain from putting something in my mouth(by that i mean meat, heh). And that, how Difficult can it really be for a human being to control oneself, in the simple act of eating or not eating something? Not really hard :D.
If one Realllllllyyyyy needed to eat it, I would be dead by now :D, so you can rest assured on you effort and good luck!
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Giddo11 Lol, these "men" are not "fighters". They use a LESS intelligent being, then manipulating them until they are breathless, using their weakness, toying around with their Propensity to respond to taunting actions, then using metal weapons to stab it to death.. OH BUT WAIT, WE GETZ TO EAT THE ANIMAL TOO, I GUESS EVERYTHING IS OK NOW, FUCK WHAT HAPPENED TO HIM, HE LOOKS SO FKIN DELISHOES NOM NOM NOM.
Dipshit, if the bull "bests" you, you don't "Insta-die" A dozen people jump on the bull to help their whiny bitch ass to safety, But ignorant pricks with narrow vision of reality, only see that part, you don't see the bull getting any help, but who gives a shit? Of course you are Risking your life, but It's an IDIOT, Putting himself where he DOESNT need to be, and then you Clap for him, because he did that? Lol. Have you counted how many Bulls die PER Matador? You should have.
Yeah you saw "sensible" points, Points to only SUPPORT your "idea", and ignoring everything that completely destroys your delusion.
I don't have a vice for Anything, at least not seeing innocent creatures being slaughtered, at the same time enjoying the shit out of it and then beating off to it.
Here's the thing, I DO see a Different ANGLE, But it's not from another culture or something, it from outside anything to do with a human's Attachments. See this entire race, with everything it's busy doing, it's total bullshit. I will never fall so low as to find "meaning" in the killing of an animal in front of thousands of people, WHO ALL ENJOY IT(reason why they are there). AN animal dying for AMUSEMENT, and you people tell me to "Look from a different angle".
If you read till here, I'll tell you what a culture is to someone who sees it from the outside:
A Culture is an activity or a body of activities that a person/persons, from the past came up with, justified, and started doing. Then came the new people, they all saw the things those people were doing and simply started doing the same things. (Remember, there is NO ACTUAL REASON to having the activity; in the sense that it DOESN'T PROVIDE ANYTHING OTHER THAN WHAT THE PARTICIPANT WANTS IT TO PROVIDE)
Now, you talk about whether I would look at things differently, had i been born somewhere else.
Of course, but not necessarily as something GOOD. I would be a DIFFERENT PERSON. My current experience would NOT exist.
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Giddo11 Here's something of a riddle, for you to riddle over :
So, you say It is right because it is CULTURE, Ok.
Then Every
Village /Group/Country/Gang/Terrorist Groups/ Extremist Islamic/ Cannibal Tribe/ Neo-Nazi Group/ Facists/etc/etc, they all have their own CULTURES, which they all have equal respect for(their own).
By Becoming a part of one culture, you automatically, connect yourself to it and it's people and their beliefs, you see meaning in it.
But you will never get to see Tens of THOUSANDS of cultures outside your own, which you know nothing about, so you don't have the authority to say they're good too, THEY ALL MEAN SOMETHING to someone, somewhere. ( but not to you, and that applies to every individual like you).
Now, EVERY CULTURE holds DEEP MEANING, but ONLY to the people who're a part of it, doesn't matter what it practices, because you, cannot judge them, because you are in the same situation.
So basically, a bunch of people in the past come up with random shit to do, stick meanings,god,values to it, then people after them like monkeys, stick to it, too, and find everything about it to be RIGHT (obviously, why else would you follow it, perhaps confirmation bias?)
Then if your Culture is "good", then so is EVERY OTHER, according to its participants, even the nazis and the cannibals and the matadors, etc.
If you call your culture as good, and you call the matador's culture as good, then even the Taliban's Culture IS GOOD, and so are the Orthodox Christian Church, and so are, again, the cannibals of the amazon, and EVERY SINGLE Group of activities that ANY PERSONS do, ANYWHERE. Because YOU can NOT judge them.
DO you see the IDIOCY of this blind bandwagon mentality?
I do, therefore i *REJECT Every culture*, even the one i was born into, to build my own existence, not to take some pointless idea of a purposeful existence that some unknown idiot came up with 500 years ago, when i know our existence is greater than being a bunch of apes walking into an arena where they sit on their ignorant asses and watch a bull get butchered and tell their kids,
"Look, little Pedro, This is a Realllll Man, a True Matador!! You wanna be like him when you grow up, remember!"
"ok Papa!" conformation successful
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Giddo11 Glad you see the point I'm trying to make.
But Will have to ask you a question to further clear this murkiness.
> Is there ANY way of Killing an INNOCENT being?
Can you ever call the act of Killing an animal who's been FORCED into his/her current condition, and then has to fight someone they DO NOT WANT, Just to face INEVITABLE DEATH, Humane ?
Is that how blind humanity is willing to become?
In a world where everyone is EQUAL, the need to "Prove" yourself, that too, by Killing a LESSER animal, who doesn't even understand what is going on, will not exist.
How many chances does a bull get to train to fight the matador and understand his weakness, compared to the LIFETIME of training the murderers receive?
Anything has value if you really force yourself hard enough to find it in there.
You know what Communities and Culture does?
Excludes EVERY other community and culture, or bases them on a different level.
People will tell you "Human race is one." When it clearly is not, people are given Borders, titles, "duties", obligations to fight for, when NONE of this would have existed, if the people just all Stopped for a moment and didn't lie to themselves.
People go to war, when they don't see that they're fighting for NONEXISTANT borders, just arbitrary bullshit that's fed to them and they eat it, and the whole world rallies around the same idea, perpetuating the cycle.
If everyone gave up their cultures, their race, their country, their communities, there would be ONLY ONE left, true humanity.
Maybe we're at a stage in evolution, where propensity to believe is too high for everyone to be able to doubt everything they know. Maybe time will fix it, if we won't.
It's just the helplessness which is annoying. The reach is so restricted, if you see my point :\..
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Giddo11 Yes, other life forms, are indeed, intellectually lesser than humans, BUT, that only stands true to the HUMAN environment, they are Perfectly Intelligent in Having survived so far, as well as in maintaining the ecological order.
Talking about ecological balance, wouldn't you say that WE, are LESSER to every other living thing? I would, and i would take it upfront, and change myself, rather than rejecting it.
Well, getting back to us being above other animals. Do you think that someone who is stronger than the other, who has more control on the outcome, should Do as they please, or should they CHOOSE to not kill, and to be the UPHOLDERS of the balance? Rather than being the disruptors and the enslavers of everything that is powerless to us? Shouldn't stronger humans also enslave the weaker ones, if it applies to one, it applies to all, isn't that equality?( i just realised, that this enslaving thing is kind of actually happening, but through another unintrinsic object, given false worth, Money)
Which action would you call a greater step towards reconnecting humanity to the world, the true world, not this shadow, this idea created by a pile of gluttonous pigs, who came before us, and which would you call the perpetuation of a false ideology that prevents people from becoming and thinking more than they are told they can?
Thank you, for the talk.
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It is I No I don't see a difference. Because in both cases, the animal gets no choice, and dies brutally anyway, but that doesn't pop up in your heads.
You logic is made up of arbitrary conjectures to support your ideas, if you really wanted to use logic and rationality, then you would recognize, that it IS worse to
Listen, man. I'm tired of ignorant people saying "to sustain human lives", are you guys dense?
"sustenance", lol, Don't make me laugh. Livestock animal only gives a fraction of "food" that it consumes, and only around 45% of the 'pig' is edible, so you ARE wasting land and other resources, because you enjoy it so much, but you feel you stand on a higher moral ground than these 'matadors', but you are on the same level, here's the difference:
You both just have a different excuse to kill the animals,, In both cases, it is UNNECESSARY and the animal still dies, you do it nonetheless, and you probably killed more animals in your lifetime, than a matador has in the ring.
Deal with it. Or don't, and just try even harder to maintain the delusion in your mind until you die, so you will never have to change.
And yes, this is coming from a moral high ground. Like you can call yourself better than a murderer or a child molester or a slave-owner, I can call myself better than you, because I make a conscious choice to not be a part of billions of animals getting killed every year, yeah.
One more thing; If you ACTUALLY wanted to truly understand what's going on, a GOOGLE SEARCH would have sufficed, stay ignorant stay happy.
Or what, do you want me to sugar coat it?
Damn, how many times do I have to repeat myself.
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Mellow Mood Well you see, when you look at all the deforestation, air pollution(excess cattle produce greenhouse gases too), Land wastage(It is wasted on cattle rather than housing/feeding people/ afforestation, It wastes money, creates a discrimination against every other species, like you are entitled to anything you want, because you said so, oh, I almost forgot to mention the 56 billion+ that get slaughtered for you, but who cares about them, you sure don't, maybe my decisions aren't too bad after all, in comparison :3
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mysalival100
It's long, but I guess you have time, like everyone on youtube, that's why we're here.)
Here's something for you to think about (some alternate perspectives, try to see if you can sit into them)
: You are perfectly comfortable with someone dying, as long as it happens "quickly", even though you have no personal experience, but you just believe that it does, because that makes you feel like you're not doing something 'wrong', confirmation Bias. The Actual action, the Unnecessary murder of the organism, that NEVER goes through your mind, you don't even talk about it. I see something fucked up about it. No Murder is "ethical" or "humane", Read the definition of murder.
Are you Ok with me killing mentally handicapped animals.. err... I mean uh.. 'humans', as long as I kill them 'quickly'? Maybe I should just backstab or headshot them them while they sleep lol, they will never see it coming, lol, and then we can "pay our respects" to them, boom, all set. We can even join for some bbq later.
It's like telling a cannibal, that it's not important to kill humans and eat them, but even they will tell you, "they need it". lol. How are they wrong? Just because they differ from 'your ideas'? OOOOH, Does MORALITY(i wonder where it went all this time) come into play? ohohoh Aren't they just food to the cannibals, so it doesn't count, like it doesn't for you?
^ Think about it for a while, don't have to reply to me, everything I could say, probably has been said already, just think about it. ALso think about all the idiots praying to some magical shit in the sky, hoping they get into heaven so they can lie on their fat asses all day, well, why am I talking about these people? Well, that's because you're made up of the same stuff as them, if they could be delusional, so much so, that they think there's a special place in the sky where everyone who sucks god's dick goes, then how are you "immune" to delusions? Have you ever revalued all your values? Or the same stuff from 30 years ago stuck around?
Take your time.
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mysalival100 The animal still dies, maybe take a few seconds to think about that bit, rather than stamping yourself innocent right after "Tell me HOW you kill it", oh,almost one hit KO, ALright DEAL.
I don't really care about its life, I Want it to die, so I can eat it, not because I am gonna live another day thanks to this, but Because I wanna eat it, just make the dying part neat, so its doesn't make my indoctrination break and accidentally make me feel something. Lol.
Those are your thoughts. AND even if they AREN'T, The FINAL OUTCOME REMAINS THE SAME, SO WHAT GOES IN YOUR HEAD AMOUNTS TO 0 . Peaceout blazeit
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mysalival100 Yes, of course, but you see, THAT is survival, that is Literally life or death, that is not murder because it is not done consciously, the beast follows its instincts and hunts, because it starves, and can't grow food or forage it or borrow it or but it.
But WE are NOT them, WE have the comfort of Civilisation, general peace, our ancestors working for us and making life easier, It's so fucking easy, that even if I don't try to get by in life, I still will!
Do you justify a person like this saying " Yeah I need to kill someone and eat their flesh, or else I will die."
Think like this for a sec: "Hey, ok, now let's see how my life is. Al right, not so bad, I get access to daily food, and multiple times, too. I don't have to fight off other people for my food, nobody kills me over it, my family isn't suffering and not starving to death. Then why should I make other animals suffer? When their death isn't helping my family or me, because I already have it so good and nobody around me is starving, should I really kill them, maybe they had a family they had to get back to, even if it is just for once more.
*WE* Have the CHOICE to stop killing. Wild animals don't. We have the Choice, to stop all this now, yet we use the excuses of what our ancestors had to do to survive, as a justification of our present actions, wouldn't that also justify raiding, pillaging, murdering, etc, etc. Why should I have these exceptions?*
If even a cat can stop itself from eating a rat, or a lion, a man. If even a* Wild Animal* can *go against its very nature*Then what excuse does the most intelligent animal on this planet have?
There is nothing about our outward physical actions that we can't control. Nothing.
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PnutButterNbicheZ Hunting for survival, and hunting because someone feels like it, are two different things, like murdering someone for fun and killing terrorists in war.
Also, keeping women in the house and treated like property, infanticide, ethical cleansing, greed, and other such things are "Traditions" too.
It's easy to justify 'traditions' until those traditions don't start fucking your life up.
Not to overlook the fact that people have always had traditions and they've always disappeared along with the people, making each one equally pointless and arbitrary.
If there was a majority of cannibals, then you wouldn't suddenly agree with them, why? Because You would be the one they would kill and eat, along with your family. Like you do to them, in the name of tradition and nature, when it's nothing other than your own free, conscious will, which is the sad part.
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It feels like I just end up repeating myself. The only thing you need, to realise how wrong you are, is the ability to empathise with more than just one specie, and if you do (like with your dog or other pet), then HOWCOME you are able to STILL separate one more specie into the list of "these animals can feel and it is immoral to kill them", and another, if it becomes endangered(by you and others who used same reasons to kill them), Altogether, still being able to ROB the animals you eat, of their very being and sentience, you pretend like they enjoy it or something, but you would be the first to raise a finger if anyone proposed doing that to the animal called human.
This hypocrisy irritates me for I cannot figure out WHAT it is, that makes you able to think like this, maintaining these double-standards on a daily basis, covering your existence with more perpetual lies.
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PnutButterNbicheZ Boom, there we go :D, any animal knows what suffering is and what pain is, because they have experienced it, as they have starvation, and we at least are the most gifted in the ability of empathy too, it sickens me how deliberate and pointless it is, let alone, justified, celebrated and condoned, lol....
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Favier Wei Hehe, yeah. That happens because they have a warped idea of what 'good' is. And once they stop thinking of killing animals by the billions, as a good thing, they automatically become people who never bothered even when told, and ultimately get addicted to it.
They also like to act like it's all "natural" and that they're not deliberately doing it(there is always some realisation even in their heads, of the animal's sentience, they're just so well indoctrinated).
Like it's all just part of their software. (which it is not, or we all would love killing animals.)
There's also this thing, like " They look like me, if I protect their values and them, I will be protected in return." So even if they have no idea what the things they are making assumptions about, mean, They'll just nod to their beliefs without question, because it keeps them and their herd absolved from ever having to admit their acts, and get to do what they want without being judged. It is probably one of the only things that keeps them from realising the truth of their own actions, and keeps them as an "all goody 2 shoe good society following monkey", and I guess that's the closest thing to 'redeeming' themselves apparently. Not stopping the killing, let's just change the way we think about it to justify our means and ends, by ourselves.
Being a plague upon every sentient life on the planet, they STILL have the vanity to think of themselves as great people. Is there any more delusional one can get?
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rainbowsixODST But there is a very real and calculable line between "Spending" and "spending more than needed just because".
People in your own country be suffering due to the channelling of excess funds( and I mean More money than is needed for "defence"), the soldiers who come back, suffer, because of apathy. Soldiers who go there, get fucked in the head, due to a cruel system of action, and the need to obey.
Say I was the king of your land. And I kept taking money from the land, for my army, but I didn't have anyone attacking me, and wasn't a king who invaded shit. *But I would Keep taking more money than I need, every single time, and when you ask me "Why am I taking more than I need, much much more?"
I can just say "Because I might need it, and I am the one with the responsibility of defence, so I am justified in taking all I feel like."
That's kind of what is happening with US, People are convinced that the money's going somewhere decent, while they ultimately WILL suffer for it in one way or the other.
Dude,the US army, literally has so many weapons and vehicles, that they are handing them across the states' police departments, lol.
For humans, mostly, something only becomes a real issue, when their own skins are on the line, which is sad, too.
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ME3 Yeah, really sad what happened in ukraine, sneaky putin pulled off a quick one on them. Amercia's stick is literally the BIGGEST. it is More than the total of the next 20 countries below it. It's surrounded by canada and mexico, one's too nice, the other one's too poor to attack.
Dude, military is just an excuse to oil people's money and then channel it into pockets through mini disappearances here and there.
And people are paranoid enough to believe it.
Our actions and beliefs will be seen by the future, and we WILL be judged by them, there is denying, but hiding only works until one is alive.
They're all wasting their lives running behind money, that's the price they will pay, too.
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ME3 How many Irish, italians, english, etc,etc, entered the country? it never 'belonged' to the people of the states in the first place. There is a difference in saying 'my country', and 'the country whose people the people who came before me, almost wiped off the face of this planet". If a native came and told you "hey, why are you here?" You wouldn't have an answer, and would only reply by the usual prejudice and some sense of finding offence in it, and feeling like you're in the position to do so.
You know why the country's so fucked?
Let me tell you: First, the christian delusion. Where every dumb christian thinks that ALL christians are good people and that someone, by default, being white and christian is the apex of a 'good man'. At the same time, those same 'good christian people' on the top, milk the shit out of you civilians who're just there as sheep, used to milk with blind consumerism and pushing their own agendas. So, you become the cause of your own shitty situation, because you trust the idiots, and then, since you don't want to take the blame on yourself, You will just point the blame at someone who doesn't look like you or someone who doesn't believe the same shit as you, because that's what dognitive dissonance does to people who are too hubris to admit their own fault. Delusion, misguidance, and prejudice.
You also, are not in a place to ultimately argue and complain about 'immigrants', since you are NOT the natives, so you should just not waste your time hating on someone FOR NO LOGICAL REASON. The population is NOT THE PROBLEM, it's the Republican, conservative fucks you have voted into congress, and now they will eat the country inside out, as they already are with the debt being one example. So, believe what you want to, since pretending to be intelligent takes less effort than becoming so. Just look at the real problems and stop finding magical connections where there are none, you'll help yourself, and that shouldn't be the primary reason anyway. have fun.
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ME3 So, it was the mexicans who put your country under a 14 TRILLION+ DEBT? I see. I will leave you to your own mind now, lel. IT's anyone else's fault but mineee or anyone who looks like me.
This is what's happening to you => You are born in a country, which is ruled, literally, ruled and controlled by a tiny number of people, who have strings on pretty much everything. And you, you are just one of the millions they have raised in their 'farms' where you are fed sensationalist propaganda to stir your gullible minds in WHICHEVER WAY THEY WANT.
Most "americans" (Hijacked the term, like most of the things crazy christians like to put their name on)
So, what happens, is that when things like 9/11 or other crazy shit like that, etc happen, you people, are properly trained (at least a sufficient number of you) to flip the fuck out in paranoia and fear of your own lives that you will just nod nod nod to every and any order they want to pass, from iraq to japan to afghanistan to vietnam, etc,etc,etc.
"Rob and fool them slow enough, and they won't realise they were robbed... or fooled."
It almost seems too cleverly constructed.
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***** One, would be building army protected schools (which surely will take less than a trillion dollars), educating students (if they had done this, there would be highly educated graduates who would NEVER want to blow themselves or anyone up, and could teach others to stop, too. Sounds wishful, but isn't that what the war was? ;v.
Give people something to live for, and they won't be running around looking for death. Teach them meaning in life, rather than looking for comfort in death. NOT BOMB THEM IN THEIR HUTS, lel.
Send thousands of advisers to the countries, teaching them everything from basic agriculture to fucking complex marketing, and whatnot. *That place is literally a fucking desert that keeps getting whatever ruins it has left, bombed in the name of freedom.* I am sure THAT IS NOT THE BEST WE CAN DO. Let alone SUPPORT IT.
Secondly, they had TOTALLY GARBAGE intelligence of the places they had a "Duty of PROTECTING". They didn't even have the capacity to understand another human being, let alone another animal, lol, sad really. I also hope that you've watched the videos of the war that wikileaks released, the ones where entire vans of INNOCENT CIVILIANS got shredded by some white jesus humping fuck behind a remote controlled machine gun. And that was just ONE of the events, and just ONE of the ones that got Recorded. AMERICAN PEOPLE, NODDED FOR THAT, AND PAID THEM TO DO THAT.
(and all of this, took me TWO MINUTES TO COME UP WITH. They FAILED Even after TEN YEARS and Billions of billions of dollars >.< lol)
Sad, really. But I guess nobody can be truly free from sin in this world, but amends can be made, sadly money seems more appealing than moral dignity and freedom from guilt.
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TheMattd546 Hey there, would you mind looking for the figures, which state the number of american killed by "Terrorism"/"outside enemies",(This does not include people who go to wars and die willingly) and THEN, compare that to the number of people who die IN THE COUNTRY, due to LAUGHABLE healthcare, Housing, Job security, debts, Medicinal dependency/overdose, cop kills.
No, seriously, if you wanna stick up to something, go the whole way, lol. Listening to cnn and Fox news doesn't count as being informed, lol.
"The only important part of the government is suppose to be the military." Prove it first, then make claims, ok?
"The constitution doesn't say 'we must have all these programs we have now' In fact the constitution doesn't say "the government must provide school" However it DOES say 'The Government MUST provide defense'.....
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...LOL, what's the point of having EXCESS AMOUNTS OF WEAPONS AND WAR ACCESSORIES, when the PEOPLE ANYWAY DYING DUE TO Under-supported programs, while all the fucks in the military Milk you sheep by simply saying "You know, we need more money here, or who knows when another plane might fly into your face and kill all of uss ooohhhhhhhhh, scaryyyyyyyyy, so pay up"
You do also realise, how OUTDATED that Shell of a constitution is? LOL.
"If it comes down to "food stamps" or "protecting America" I'm going with protecting America." Oh, now I see how you're able to believe the garbage you do; It's because you are unable to dry understand something indepth, so, you just make a weightless assumption in your head, and then use your own shallow intellect to conclude its truth, how simple.
Yeah, Delusional, Paranoid turds would rather go around killing random people, than spending fixing THEIR OWN FILTH. But I guess once you Bandwagon, there's no going back, lol. So, I guess you'll just stick to what you want to believe for whatever remains of your life.
"Why don't we cut 90% of other programs." Because OTHER PROGRAMS ARE NOT STUFFED FULL OF TENS OF BILLIONS OF TAX PAYER DOLLARS, LOL!!!! DO I, A FOREIGNER HAVE TO TELL YOU THAT? WHAT A SHAME.
~637 BILLION AMRIKAN DOLARZ, is the defense budget.
Wanna Milk the American Paranoid Sheep? JOIN THE MILITARY, REACH A HIGH RANK, BOOM BOOM MONEY BITCHEZZZ. The Sheep are scared shitless anyway, they ain't gonna ask to return it, lololo.
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TheMattd546 Your ENTIRE ARGUMENT, is based upon an old piece of paper FROM THE EIGHTEENTH FUCKING CENTURY, you dumb shit. But I guess I'm expecting Too much from a country that's ass deep into the Bible bandwagon, they're trained to believe in random shit scribbled on paper,BUT ONLY AS LONG AS THEIR OWN ASS IS SAFE
This is your Great Country's... I mean YOUR DEBT : $16,787,451,118,147. DO you even know How much that number is? It's ALL YOUR DEBT, have fun. Your country's already owned by EVERYONE BUT ITS CITIZENS, LOLOLOLO. Off you go now, since I have none of that to suffer, I'll leave you to contemplate the shit you're in, and happily so. Phehehahahehhahahahaha.
Remember:
$16,787,451,118,147
$16,787,451,118,147
$16,787,451,118,147
$16,787,451,118,147
$16,787,451,118,147
That's a lot of dollarzzzz, I wonder what caused such debt, oh that's right, a dumbed-down population of paranoid sheep, allowing their wolves to pass on Whatever the fuck law they want, because the small brained populace doesn't wanna think about all the 'paperwork' and 'effort to find real information'. Cheeeeeeriosssssssss m8.
Also, Slavery was widespread in the states at the time of the Convention. Twenty-five of the Convention's 55 delegates owned slaves, including all of the delegates from Virginia and South Carolina.
"But but but but the CONSTITUTION SAID SAID SAID... to DEFEND ... but but."
Sheesh, what a pain.
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One more thing, The people who go fight your wars, when they come back, SHOULD NOT BE GIVEN MEDICAL CARE, BECAUSE CARING FOR THEM, IS NOT THE GOVERNMENT'S JOB, WE NEED TO BE SAFE, THAT'S ALL THAT MATTERS, IT'S WRITTEN ON THAT CENTURIES OLD PIECE OF PAPER SIGNED BY SLAVE OWNERS, lel. Neither should the families of those people be taken care of, because FUCK IT, they went cuz they wanted to, they knew what can happen.
Dewm, fucking fucked up in the head you are. So scared, and ignorant. Just typing this shit feels revolting to me, but you live on this shit every single moment of your life, kudos, lewl.
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ME3 The "Economy" DOES NOT GROW, when Half of the money, is HELD BY ONE PERCENT of the people. Your capitalist state has failed. Since the beginning of your "country", the PEOPLE, have been SHEEPED into being Afraid, of vietnam, japan, germany, iraq, and the list goes on, that THEY'VE BRED YOU TO BE AFRAID, and to respond in fear. As well as keeping the majority delusional, or plain ignorant.
"Republicans fought a war to free the slaves where hundreds of thousands of Americans died so they could be free." Yes, I'm sure the republicans, the one whose bible says that is is PERFECTLY COOL TO ENSLAVE PEOPLE OF OTHER SKIN, 'died protecting the very blacks they enslaved', righttttttttt.
"Less then 2% of American owned slaves and the vast majority was against slavery." Again, you have no fucking clue.
"A total of about 600,000 enslaved people were imported into the Thirteen Colonies and the U.S, constituting 5% of the twelve million enslaved people brought from Africa to the Americas. The great majority of enslaved Africans were transported to sugar colonies in the Caribbean and to Brazil. As life expectancy was short, their numbers had to be continually replenished. Life expectancy was much higher in the U.S. and the enslaved population also reproduced; enslaved peoples' numbers grew rapidly, reaching 4 million by the 1860 Census. " <<<< "Less than 2% people owned slaves, lul, wrong. What about how many benefited, and did nothing to stop it? Yeah, 2 PERCENT of people, owned ALL OF THE SIX HUNDRED THOUSAND SLAVES, and THEIR CHILDREN AND THEIR CHILDREN'S CHILDREN, *Your brain's ability to rationalize nonsense, is admirable.*
"the vast majority was against slavery." -< Wrong again. IF THE VAST MAJORITY of USAers were "Against slavery", then IT WOULDN'T BE AN ENFORCED LAW, LOL... jesus fucking christ, eh?
"freedom", lol. People don't own their lands, their privacy, their own minds. You ever wondered, that maybe you've just been programmed so meticulously, to think that you are free? bahahaha
I'm from India, I've never even been there, yet I seem to be less in denial and ignorance about it.
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Владислав Колосов If you wanna claim territory which WAS LOST in the PAST, then maybe EVERYONE should start fighting again to claim the territory, then EVERYONE has justification to start a War, lol.
You really want me to talk about Russian "history", then Let's talk about what stalin did to ukraine/"russians", too.
You also do realise that you are thinking of wars and political borders, as something that actually means anything, lol. It's just like religion, and how people die bravely, but still like idiots for it, when they don't even realise, that at some point in history, their ancestors WERE ALSO FORCED TO FOLLOW THOSE THINGS, and now just because it's been a few generations you feel like you can ignore that bit, and cherry pick the parts which you want to go in and fight for? That, sir, is wrong. =) Also, don't mind my abusing, it's routine :*
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Владислав Колосов ""imagined communities", which essentially stated that the nations are mostly in our imagination." Yes, That is EXACTLY how it is. The countries ARE imagined borders.
So is the "crimean russians" Feeling Russian and the ukrainians feeling ukrainian. How Can you Feel Russian and think it makes sense, when RUSSIA itself, IS IMAGINARY????
They could all just live in peace, and be like "Ok that's in the past, let's not kill more people over land and 'nationalism', yeah."
But yeah fuck everyone else living there, we just wanna be back with
"russia", the imaginary state.
Just because I believe in Jesus, doesn't make him real, Just because I believe that Putin wanted to get the russians back into russia, Doesn't make it so.
Again, It's not justified, just because a group of people who have some identity crisis, who leeched off ukraine for all this time, flocked like sheep to putin the instant he invaded, lol. Otherwise EVERYTHING is justified, because SOMEONE SOMEWHERE, "BELIEVES" that it is.
That's not how the real world works.
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@amicklich6729 I don't prefer to shift the blame on technology, like phones. It's the people who must self-regulate and not externalize their behavioral origins, in order to avoid putting in work to become less attached to what their phone gives them. Just how a smoker can't blame the cigarettes, but can do something about their choices. Same goes for any other dependency or addiction. Including technology, political ideology, etc.
To be honest, tribalism is a vestigial emotion in a world where tribal isolation is largely non-existent. Therefore, a tribe focused impulse is unnecessary. And most ingroups that exist today are a pseudo tribe. Only existing to stroke and satiate the tribal bone in those humans.
Tribalism was good when humans couldn't reason much. It became a good reason to fight and die for something. Now the world is different. You can fight and die for thousands of causes, which are not inherently even related to pseudo tribalism. We have reasons. And a better understanding of outcomes. Unlike our helpless ancestors who had nothing but the tribes they lived within.
Which is why most people can still feel it strongly. Because on an evolutionary timescale, only minutes have passed since the first humans started emerging out of natural processes.
Well, of course, along with a bunch of other impulses, that's why a lot can't help but kill and rape. It's the vestigial nature taking its natural time to become absolutely irrelevant and eventually be discarded by our specie.
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The point isn't that there will be "evolutionary parallels", but that there will be Striking Similarities between Earth life and life on other planets (depending on how long it has existed there), simply because our universe is bound to the same laws, Everywhere.
Sure, the lifeforms will have different adaptations regarding temperature, gravity, day/night cycles, etc., but if a lifeform in another planet ends up reaching "human-level" intelligence or more, the "mental processes or logical conclusions" will be the same, again, depending on how much time it has had to evolve. Because "intelligence" is the trait by which the organism interacts with the universe and changes it. And since the universe is homogeneous, the "intelligent", alien organisms that evolve, will keep moving toward more and more similar forms.
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@PaulCHarris It's much easier to see when you're not in the DvR tribal struggle. MOST Reps, in their foolhardy attempts to achieve moral "highground", end up latching to mostly dogma-inspired "moral virtues", which have no relation to the real world. Wasting away their existence, investing their being and time pushing baseless, tribe-enforcing beliefs. Where the individual sacrifices their mind and their only chance to exist, playing and leeching off tribal tug of war. Which really only makes the tribe "cohesive", be it on an untrue premise.
And MOST dems, in their desperate attempt to seem "progressive and inclusive", end up bending over so far to any cry of "oppression or injustice" that their head goes up their own ass most of the time and they over-compensate in their attempts to do everyone "justice". Again, paying the same existential/individual costs as their nemesis tribe, all for a petty sense of "what's right and best for everyone", which is detached from reality, just like most reps.
If your actions and beliefs have no requirement of being in line with the 'real world', then why even waste your existence, living in such a base fantasy of such a mundane, primitive design? Just go all out LARP mode and be a fucking high immortal elf ranger. Go be a shape shifting wizard or some shit. It's like choosing to deliberately spend your life projecting yours, or someone else's imagination and fantasies, which just happen to be some of the most boring make-believe roles one can think of to play as they walk towards death.
Even this is a compressed explanation, and I'd really prefer to avoid going into too much detail. Since the filter of reading things online, gives the reader a lot more options to strawman, to distract, and to even just jump over a bunch of things. And there is barely any tangible sense of shame in doing so because I'm not in the reader's proximity. Also, the time and effort it would take for me to keep pointing things out and putting the conversation back on track is much greater than it would be otherwise. It's just sad when people latch on to pathetic ideologies, just to add something to their existence in order to give it mEaNiNg by finding the "wrong ones to fight against and protect THEIR personalised version of the true world".
They'll never get to correct it, they'll never be able to go back. It's permanent. It's sad stuff if you really spend some time to try an think about this. Everything you believe in, or do in any way, you pay with for a part of your only life. off the imagery is gnarlyyy brahhhh!!! ExTREME SPORTZ!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!LIVING ON DE EDGE!!!!!
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@azhmir4586 You are pretending to know about science (REALITY) while being completely ignorant on the matter. Your
"feeling of knowing" is just a filler for the huge knowledge gap that you do not want to accept.
-"RANDOM MUTATIONS"
-"There cannot be an infinite chain of dependent events/being"
These words of yours, show how little you know.
There is no randomness, the laws which are this universe itself have no exception, there is no special treatment. And need no God.
Your logic of "only god makes sense because otherwise the argument keeps pushing back infinitely" is so EXTREMELY MUNDANE.
But neither you, nor the Quran or any other similar claim making books give a detailed explanation of early universe, they made NO MENTION of universal principles.
And don't forget that the Quran is NOT meant to be openly interpreted however you like, it calls itself the LITERAL and FINAL word of God. Which means no goalpost moving and no wiggling out of what is written.
Quran writers also believed that MOON and SUN revolved, but never mentioned EARTH also revolving, which is IDENTICAL COPY PASTE of GEO-centrism in OLDER books than the Quran.
They also said that falling meteors (Shooting stars) are "magic missiles" which scares off the devils on Earth.
No end to the holes in your PERFECT FINAL BOOK OF THE ALMIGHTY GOD, WHO IF YOU JUST FALL FOR BELIEVING IN FULLY, WILL GIVE YOU ETERNITY OF HEAVEN BRO HAHA, Stop getting Tempted by make believe, or you'll get used and abused by who control your beliefs.
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@RobinTheBot Hi, sorry to say this, but your statement is scientifically uneducated. Your claim that "human babies have a better understanding of fear compared to other animals", is baseless, most animals Develop cognitive complexity at higher rates than humans. And animals in the wild are NATURALLY SELECTED TO MAXIMIZE their Fear-related cognition than most humans, who actually end up depending on group alerts rather than their own intuition and cognitive capacity to process fear. And many fears that humans possess are often arbitrary and counter-intuitive, like the fear of god or ghosts. One can easily make the case that HUMANS are MORE DELUDED about fear and suffering (along with other cognition) compared to any other cognitively complex organism.
The very fact that you foolishly and wishfully seem to be CONVINCED that humans will NEVER STOP CONSUMING 'meat', is proof that you again, understand nothing about human evolution and the increasing aversion our specie is developing in regards to immoral behavior and animal flesh. You have no concept of where humans will end up in a few hundred years. It's beyond what your brain has been capable of making models of.
There will soon come a point where humans will get no diseases, and need to consume no organic matter for sustenance, but you are desperate to feel right, therefore you've deluded whatever understanding you could've developed of the world, just so your preferred narrative would feel justified and sensible to you.
"Fight the fight that can be won." *wow edgy one-liners. If only that ever won anybody an argument lol. All the best with the single chance at life you have. Either try to understand the world for what it is, or waste away blowing the only chance you'd ever get to do so :).
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Ideas are one hell of a drug, I'd argue they're the strongest kind of drug for homo sapiens. You can start seeing demons, angels, GODS, lizard people, 5G brain rotting frequencies, a flat planet, like having a VR headset on fulltime without realizing it, HIGH TILL YOU DIE MAYYYNNNN!!! Sometimes the effects outlast the victim. And the addiction creeps up so sneakily lmao. Pretty much all humans are LARPers, but come onnnn, at least find some better fantasy roleplay to live and die for.
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Life is OBJECTIVELY TOO SHORT. No matter how much we do in that short time, it's still objectively SHORT.
While we could make a cure for biological decay, and death RIGHT NOW, the resources and manpower of our specie is fucking SPLIT, to the point where most competent people are wasting their skill and lives coding stupid apps, tracking systems, advertising algorithms. Some wasting away making cosmetics, implants, hair color, fashion shows. Companies whose only aim is to sell as many carbonated sweet drinks to people.
We could do all that unimportant crap after we've solved death lmao!!!!! BUT NO, gotta make that money, buy that sweet material thing to feel better, and do better business to be validated by other apes!!!!!! Following primitive drives, leads to inevitably primitive lives. FUCK so much unnoticed misery!!!!!!!
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IF only Stefanie would change his Universally Preferable Behavior to Universally Moral Behavior he'd have some ground to stand on, with support of universally applicable laws of.. well, the universe, and draw an argument on how since nothing within the universe operates outside its laws, subjectivity in moral/behavioral only arises from cognitive limitations of individual sentient organisms. And if they had all the variables of an action, they would all arrive at the same, objective conclusion of superior morality, behavior, societies, etc.,etc.
EFF HIS "PREFERABLE" BEHAVIORS!!!!!!!!!!!!
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I'll give you a different example of what you said, these lines in particular "I really don't get it: it's illegal. Full stop." I don't like these REDUCTIVE statements, seems like a cheapshot at people who are suffering from the system of their country, while you are making shallow judgements from a comfortable space. While you read through this, just make sure to not think I have anything against you, because I don't. I am just going to write so you get a frame of reference.
Here's the example you should reflect on:
Let's say for this argument, there is a country, and in that country prostitution is going to SOON become legal, maybe in 1 year, maybe less.
BUT there is a twist, before its legalization, there are already many women who have to work as prostitutes to survive and feed their family, because many were abandoned as babies by their parents, and they never really got any education or learned any useful skills.
THEN, suddenly, robbers and other criminals start attacking the prostitutes, taking all their money, and sometimes raping them (Because they KNOW that Prostitution is illegal, and the Cops will not come after those criminals if they target women working as prostitutes).
Now just like this situation, the women can't go to the cops, because prostitution is illegal for few more months.
And the women who go report to the cops that they were raped, beaten or robbed, end up getting arrested by the cops, and their children are taken from them, and their home is also seized. Because the women are CRIMINALS, and their children are NOT SAFE with them, and their property can just be used to do MORE CRIMINAL ACTIVITY.
Would you still say "I really don't get it: It's illegal. FULL STOP"????
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I understand Timo B., but if you spend some time studying/watching, let's take South-African regions, which were ravaged by apartheid and civil war, it Literally, becomes Impossible for women to do any other work, except push drugs or sell their body, because there is NO MARKET FOR ANYTHING ELSE.
And of course the Canadian Government has failed in providing equal chances for all, They're the same fucking government that will raid your store after someone robbed it. They didn't roll this law on a dice game, it was INTENTIONALLY put there, and it is purposefully enforced. There is clearly someone who profits off by things remaining this way.
You should believe me when I tell you, in some people's lives, the choices are only black and white.
"People do not need to smoke cannabis." I know you're saying this out of personal experience, because you seem to be someone who smokes only for re-creation/fun.
But you've really not gone through dozens of videos where THE ONLY THING THAT WORKS ON THE PATEINT WITHOUT CAUSING DANGEROUS SIDE-EFFECTS, is CANNABIS. And not necessarily the whole cannabis bud, rather certain active components within it.
But You might already know the governments of the world are run by old ignorant people who are the LEAST LIKELY TO CHANGE THEIR OPINIONS WHEN FACTS PRESENT THEMSELVES. They also need to CONTINUE the system that benefits them. It's how petty homo sapiens work. They don't think, they act on their fears and impulses.
Don't believe cannabis is the only thing that works? Watch these people who have DAILY SEIZURES and suffer from cerebral palsy among other Diseases, and see how it affects them.
Since I doubt I can link the videos here, I'll write the KeyWords, and you search them on youtube, then play the first/second video that comes up, deal?- here you go:
0- Multiple Sclerosis and Ataxia with Medical Marijuana < around 4 mins, man with glasses on thumbnail.
1- epilepsy and cannabis < the video around 7 minutes long
2- Cerebral Palsy and Medical Marijuana | Cannabis Medicine < woman on thumbnail, around 5 mins long.
3- Medical Marijuana and Parkinson's Part 3 of 3 < old man, video is around 3 minutes long.
You can spend the whole day watching these people's lives if you want. In the end you will only change your mind if you want it to change in tune with reality. all the best yo
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It's like how obese people don't insult each other's obesity no matter how obvious, and often compliment each other's "curves" lol. What I mean is, Deluded Trump humpers will NEVER think another Trump humper is wrong, or Trump's policy is bad, because those 2 sources are all that they have to validate themselves lol. Which is why they come here and comment in order to support each other's beliefs against the "EVIL MSM PROPAGANDA MACHINE, BECAUSE FOXXY TRUMP TOLD ME SO" lolo.
It was either left or right, too bad right-wingers just happened to be THE MORE TRIBAL ONES. Which means they're a lot easier to control by attaching beliefs to things like country, Americanness, god, etc., Tribal symbols attract tribals, that's what they live and die for, their little herd. They are a lot easier to rile up with propaganda. Because most of their sense of self DEPENDS ON WHAT THEIR TRIBE THINKS OF THEM.
Slave minds enslaved by words, not even chains lol, thooey.
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@scottheller1663 It's fine to think certain conspiracies may be true. But having a higher technology (such as something that controls the weather of a whole planet) means multiple components to make that being developed first, and then coming together and being available for use in this, and other sectors. But we don't see that. Governments control people not by advanced technology, but instead by simply controlling their primitive behaviors, such as xenophobia, tribalism, greed, insecurity, etc.
What I'm saying, is nobody on this planet is capable of controlling earth's weather. In fact, government will become irrelevant because of technology. Soon enough at least.
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@elfenbeinturm-media Yes, and an intelligent being that would make a simulation with such accuracy, would inherently be smart enough to stop "us"(just parts of the simulation) from discovering any part of the simulation generating machinery, be it the RAM, cpu, or anything. But of course, I don't in any way feel convinced of being in a simulation. Because a being with sufficient knowledge to make such a simulation would also know the suffering it would create. And therefore it wouldn't do such a thing as it serves no purpose to an all-knowing entity.
If this world world is a simulation, it is going to be imperfect, as only imperfect, sadistic beings would be compelled to make it, for their own schadenfreude.
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@mmatthews61687 "it gets killed in it's natural environment without suffering" Those are a lot of contradictory claims.
Wow, guy, you're really good at convincing yourself, aren't you?
Sure, the environment is natural to it. But the weapon it is killed by sure as fuck is the most unnatural thing in its environment. Along with the wannabe macho-man hiding in a camo suit behind some bush, that sure as fuck isn't its natural predator. Without suffering? Now that is some deep self-deception lmao.
You're obviously poorly educated, or illiterate in regards to nutrition, because only someone ignorant of dietary facts would make an edgy statement like "Not all of us eat an all soy died bud". It's worthless, but from your perspective, it's a sick diss lol.
You're clearly bandwagoning with the broscientists like Joe is, only to feel redeemed and justified in your life choices.
If hunting an animal in the jungle, with a gun and other modern, unnatural tools is "totally chill and justified". Then obviously, Hunting other humans in their natural environment is also "totally chill and justified", yeah bud, also raping humans (mostly women) is totally natural since our specie evolved that naturally. Also infanticide and slavery (oh and murder) are perfectly natural.
But the funny question is, why of all these things, only hunting is justified in your silly little mind? Oooohhh!!! Perhaps you're just concerned with getting away with what you want to do, and protecting your own ass. Reality sure as fuck doesn't seem to matter to you ;)
Don't even answer me here, this is more for you to think about the mental gymnastics you engage in to fool yourself. I already know why you think what you think lmao. This is for you to try find out as well.
Your existence is running out, and it's neck deep in immoral self-indulgence hehe, wink wink ;;)
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@Johnathan Lo You are confusing your and our anthropocentric interpretations of moral outcomes, mostly to suit your preferences.
Everything in this universe is bound to the natural laws from which everything emerges. And you can rest easy knowing there is no "either/or" to the moral implications of any action. There is only ever one complete answer. Morality is just a human way of saying 'universal net positive/universal net negative'.
There are objective moral outcomes to actions regarding sentient systems (which also follow the same laws), and their conscious states. And then there are your "subjective" interpretations of morality. They only are at this level due to biological and existential conditions, and lack of complete information, or the ability to interpret it.
But if, hypothetically, you were suddenly provided all the information in the universe, and were able to compute it. There would only be one "result".
Of course, you can always continue imagining it as being whatever is comfortable in your current mental state, since you are under no inherent obligation to follow objective morality.
And appealing to nature is a logical fallacy you should avoid falling into.
It is clear "we are animals" only applies on Youtube comments. When you are wronged, you won't just take it like an animal. You'll go to the arbitrary "law", and ask for the arbitrary "justice". All jokes aside, that is a logical fallacy which does nothing to support your argument.
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@mohal-sal3998 But of course there are differences across varying populations regarding "IQ", which in itself is a poorly formulated metric, with a very narrow ability to measure "intellectual capacities" as a whole.
Charles Murray already proved that there are differences in IQ of people living in different environments for sufficiently long times. And that's right, differences do not mean inferiority/superiority.
But then again it is also obvious that any IQ tests today, still fail to evaluate many aspects of the brain. I merely approached this thread from the angle of refuting what the Andy Capp guy said, so I didn't intend on going into detail, as it can get rather verbose, like this comment already. His claim was that 'Japan is ethnically pure, which is the reason they're world leaders in innovation, and therefore, ethnic purity is good'.
I am also not a student of evolutionary biology, but then again, the value of being a "student in an institute" is no longer the same as it was 200, or 20 years ago. The knowledge is vastly more accessible online, compared to what any attended institute can ever teach an individual. The only thing that needs sharpening, is one's ability to distinguish pseudoscience from reality.
So finally, to conclude it, yes, I totally agree that there are IQ differences among varying populations/races. No question about that.
But we also know that IQ is not synonymous with overall intellectual capacity, and it only accounts for a handful out of the total specializations that a brain can do. And the main issue with the IQ scale, is that it almost convinces some people to think that the smartest people cannot come from the lowest average IQ populations, and the Highest average IQ populations will never have the dumbest people, which is untrue.
Meaning that though it may succeed as a signifier of general herd IQ, it utterly fails at the individual level.
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@mohal-sal3998 On the first paragraph, I mostly agree, though the nuance here, is the fact that despite it being a good predictor of "success at a national and individual level", it merely does that in a Narrow, Money Chasing/Capitalist System. It would get too complex writing down about the existential cost per person (and collective) giving a part of their single chance at living, to temporarily perpetuate this system of operating for our specie and getting validation in return.
Genetics are inevitably, very important in "how intelligent a person can become". For some cliche examples; Einstein, Newton, Bach, were all very gifted genetically in certain departments, and their contributions have been fantastic, we can all agree.
However, if they were born on a distant, tribal island far from civilization and a good education/specialization system, they would be NOTHING compared to what good education made them. No matter how fantastic their "intelligence based genes" were. They would be just another homo sapiens somewhere on a landmass, nothing more, nothing less.
That is what Im trying to explain. Genetics and education. Both fail without the other, no matter how good.
And within decades (or centuries if things go to shit) will come a point where every human will be given a level playing field. Genes will become irrelevant, and so will education systems. Every disease will be curable, every disadvantage, leveled. All the petty things humans bicker about now will become irrelevant. And finally, individuals will be able to live as themselves instead of being haunted by their genes, society, environment, etc.
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Correction - We have innate sense of fairness >>> Most of us have an innate sense of fairness, others don't, due to genetic factors. Then later in life, many of us will diminish our sense of fairness to OTHERS (while Mostly retaining it in regards to ourselves, sometimes intensified), due to the evolutionary pressures humans feel within relatively more complex ecosystems, which we call "civilization", the irony of the word says a lot.
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Sure the humans who do become more "unfair", often CAN stop the transition, but don't. Either A- due to lack of moral/self-preserving motivation, or B- due to pure ignorance/unawareness of the change within their mind.
Basically, what I want to state, is:
1- A MAJORITY of humans do have an innate (nature) sense of fairness, Like most other Mammals do. But, certain events or pressures (nurture -> these are reductive terms but get the message through) in their lives can reduce the amount of fairness they show toward others, especially those distant from their immediate surroundings/social sphere.
2- Entities that make Large sums of "money", will often either have to UNDERPAY the people who produce/process the services they make money out of (usually called employees), or OVERCHARGE for the service/good/utility/etc. Basically, someone is going to inevitably get "fucked over" for a slightly higher profit margin.
This is all a fragment of the evolutionary process, but unfortunately, sentient individuals are the test subjects, and there is no opting out completely, one can only adapt so far as their genetic and environmental potential combined, allows. Along with the knowledge they end up bumping into.
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I look at the comments section, and by what seems to appeal to majority of vice viewers, I can conclude either:
a- The average commenter and "reactor" seem to either be a long time sub of vice, and has watched a lot of shit from around the world (sure, a lot of it is stupid, but that's the world), yet failed to expand their understanding in some of the simplest and most obvious things. This is the kind of person who might convince themselves that they are "all about the real world, man", and they don't make up beliefs and rationales whenever something inconvenient pops up. Yet they lie to themselves that there is some justification to literally,-
Collectively denying billions of sentient organisms a relatively 'natural life', one that their biochemistry was made in relation to. And instead keeping them locked away for the ENTIRETY of their existence. And then one day their turn comes to get the chopper, and feed some random unphased ape who's a part of humanity. To whom their packed body parts look like the Before image of something delicious. It's like a rapist who doesn't see the suffering, or perhaps, derives greater joy, precisely because suffering is involved, there must even be people who derive a sense of 'domination/superiority'. With the right Context, killing "even a human" is justified, so there's nothing inherently wrong about killing something, in the right context, that is (self-defense, near fatal starvation, etc). So, let me correct anyone here, it is not 'eating some meat' that is objectively immoral, but the fact that it is done in the foulest, most improper contexts, systematically. lol. The red herrings are fun tho.
b- They've just recently found this channel and have lived a "personalised/customized" fuzzy, self-deluding type of life so far.
Just how the suffering of a human might be "subjective" depending on who sees the suffering, and mainly the capacity of each different individual's system to suffer.
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@Pixie Pete It is nature itself that struggles within itself, good humans are agents of good aspects of nature, the "good" is relative to, and dependent on the "physical laws of minds in this universe". So ultimately it is a good thing, regardless of whether we will it into existence ourselves or not, that "good" still emerges, and since minds exist better under "good conditions", they will in the long run, arch towards "more good, and less evil, and preferably no evil" states.
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@Pixie Pete Sorry, we're using "nature" differently, which is causing the confusion. When I say nature in its all pervading sense, I'm talking about literally the framework of the universe, something which humans have no freedom from, just like everything else that consists within it, and which it comprises of.
I'm not talking about "nature" in the day to day sense of "trees, the waves, the seasons, the winds, etc".
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Hahaha, these pro-life, cheap virtue seekers, think they have the god-given right to LEGALLY FORCE RAPE VICTIMS TO RAISE A RAPE-BABY, and LIVE WITH THAT RAPE BABY EVERY FUCKING DAY, as a reminder of the rape, and how you people keep forcing your petty biblical ideals. You people want to force other people and use them as a virtue token for yourselves. WHY DON'T YOU PRIMITIVES GO AND FORM A LAW THAT YOU PAY OUT OF YOUR POCKETS FOR, which sustains all the rape babies you forced to be conceived by another person. You will take those rape babies to school, you will explain to them who their rapist dad is, and everything else. You book thumping ignorants.
Ignorant about science, ignorant about human decency, enlightened about the book that makes them feel special for little to no work. Good going homo sapiens. Down the drain of deluded existences. :*
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@JamesJoyce12 That's exactly what he said, in simpler terms. He's using word trickery to minimize and personalize phenomenological facts regarding matter that composes minds and their respective states, which all operate under the EXACT SAME universal principles as ALL OTHER, NON-EXPERIENCING matter in existence.
The questions of "whether one state of actions is superior morally, than another state of actions" has nothing to do with sentiment. Sure, humans may by default rely on imperfect, subjective internal frameworks for judgement making (which include sentiments), but that doesn't conveniently get stretched into claiming that there is no one answer to "whether an action is moral or not".
I can use sentiments to derive whether one hydro dam produces more electricity than another hydro dam, but that doesn't end up meaning that the output of either dam can be higher depending on my feelings, as if there is no hydro dam in existence and it's just all a fiction of my mind. And it also doesn't imply that beyond my feelings, there is no actual "knowable state of electricity generation".
Moral claims ARE NOT claims relating to IMAGINARY topics and concepts, it's a claim about a PHENOMENOLOGICAL FACT of interactions between minds and their actions, and how they impact each other. SURE, there is a subjective interpretation of those things, but that DOES NOT mean it isn't happening in objective reality.
"more suffering" and "less suffering" are not imaginary occurrences m8, no matter how much a fat rich racist "philosopher" wants you to believe lol. Whether slavery causes more suffering and existential degenerations of minds involved, than less, is not a fucking "oh we can't conclude it factually so we just have to depend on arbitrary line-drawing".
To keep it simple if you can't bear to read the full response - "human experiences happen in human brains, human brains are matter, humans didn't make humans - the universal principles did - just like with ALL OF EXISTENCE. Morality pertains to experiences of minds, since EVERYTHING IN THE EQUATION is an objectively real thing, and follows the same pervading laws, morality itself is a calculable fact, since nothing arbitrary falls into the equation (though imperfect brained humans will often engage in make believe bullshitery, out of no choice of their own, like in anything else).
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@JamesJoyce12 Your apparently limited interpretation of what I said is hurting your own clarity on what I stated. I even wrote it in condensed, reductive form at the end to help understand.
On a universal scale you're asking me a dumb question, as dumb as asking "Where in the universe is planet Earth?" The question itself ignores relativity and expects a coherent response to an incoherent question.
Also, when it comes to moral equations, it requires at least TWO minds in the RELATIVE space within which one acts upon the other. Moral equations are regarding mindstate changes within each mind,
if and when Perfect beings come into existence, who are 1:1 with objective reality, and much beyond our, limited, Earthly survival oriented minds, THEY will have a perfect answer to your and Hume's language games about morality lmao. Since the ENTIRE UNIVERSE is "one thing", as in the entire universe (AND the minds within it, since no exceptions in universal laws) has various possible configurations - and among those configurations, will be a configurations that will objectively be the perfect "universal state" of arranging matter for the least morally negative experiences.
Meanwhie, us imperfect, mentally fucked animals will just have to make to with "better moral claims" over "worse moral claims", it's already happening, too bad an 18th century Scott richboy couldn't know what we do today, yet you fell for his wordmancy.
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@JamesJoyce12 Damn James, so hungry for a W that you'll self delude for "victory". You're *again*, restructuring what I said, then saying I said your warped version of the thing.
"MORAL SENTIMENTS" are Irrelevant in determining moral positives or negatives, even a MINDLESS (Fyi, that would mean also 'sentimentlessness') machine which is capable of computing all matter in existence (or a lot less even) can conclude what higher and lower moral systems (IE - ways of arranging mind-mind interactions) are. How much suffering a certain set of applications causes is not "up to animals' feelings", every brain in existence is
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A PHYSICAL OBJECT, AND NEGATIVE STATES, SUFFERING, PLEASURE etc, are ALSO PHYSICAL PROCESSES. Subjective feelings don't come out of some magical ether.
Moral outcomes are not unclaimable lmao. Just because you can't comprehend that even SUBJECTIVE states have OBJECTIVE dependencies, all of which are calclable (just not by US, for now).
18th century fat racist richboy convinced a bunch of word-magic-vulnerable fools like it's some masterstroke haha, maybe these internalised, handy delusions of yours are also just subjective, they exist and don't, just depends on what you believe.
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This guy's channel is the perfect example of an echo-chamber. Nearly 95% supportive audience, and the people who'd otherwise point out the problems, are almost never going to see this video, because YouTube has managed to turn itself into an "all-entertaining" entity. Where truth and lies don't matter, what does matter, is maximized audience and engagement numbers.
People's minds can rot to dirt for all they care. They got stuff for pedos, nazis, racists, flat earthers, mormons, You fkin name it lmao!!!!
ENJOY THE KOOLAID, BOIZZZ!!!!! Feel that tribal unity that you so long for, in your empty beliefs!!! MMMM Rejoice!!! Gather up in ideological herds to fight an enemy you will NEVER FACE (and you know it) and enrich these grifters and political preachers AYYYOO!! existential toilet ;)
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@j2323j On the macro scale, away from quantum functions, there exist sentient organisms. Organisms whose every process, experience, action, is bound by the classical laws of physics. Because those are the laws which all sentient organisms in this universe emerge from.
And morality of an action only exists relative to systems capable of perceiving them. And since all sentient systems obey the same universal laws, Negative outcomes inflicted on other sentient systems despite no need for self-preservation, but simply out of a desire to experience 'taste', 'luxury' 'pride', etc., are inherently immoral. Because there is only 1 "collective process happening, and only 1 overall outcome", therefore, morality of any outcome/action, has objective moral implications. And any "subjective, personalized" comprehension of such events, as to "better suit oneself, or one's herd", is just a product of the failure of that perceiving system to take all variables into account, and over-prioritizing personal preference.
Basically; objective morality exists. Subjective, 'man-made/you-made'' morality, is just a result of one's limited understanding, or capacity to understand. Humans can still come close to the true sum of the moral implications of any action, but mostly fail to do so, simply because their irrational operations override any objective rationality.
So, if a cow suffers unnecessarily, just because you 'want' something from it, that's a no no. But if the cow doesn't suffer, then it's chill. Doesn't matter what anyone "thinks or feels about it".
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Solaveritas2, Yes, take life guidance from the man who thinks he has a spirit, and was made by god, who thinks nothing could be good without religion. While I'll die having understood where Life emerged from, and how we came to be, how our minds came to exist, the true suffering of humans and other lifeforms, and how chemical reactions created the foundation for what we see as "good and evil" today. Yes, please, go ahead, you'd just be another drop in the BILLIONS of people who will die surrounded in the delusion of religion, your whole lives will have rotted away, and every relation you had with another person, is stained by your self-serving delusions, that you'd latch on to yo dearly.
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MATTHER VUJOVIC, His WHOLE VIEW is a DOWNGRADE from reality. IF YOU THINK USING MY CAPS AS AN EXCUSE TO REFUTE MY STATEMENT, THEN YOU ARE SADLY MISTAKEN.
"YOU IDOLIZE YOUR RATIONALITY AND IT ACTUALLY MAKES YOU COMPARATIVELY LESS RATIONAL." WHAT THE FUCK BRO LOL? DID you think that sounded smart when you wrote it down, or you didn't even second guess it?*
The way you're blindly jumping to his defense, SEEMS TO SHOW YOUR OWN EXCESSIVE IDOLIZATION OF JORDAN PETERSON AND HIS BASELESS RAMBLINGS. *I'VE ACTUALLY SPENT 15 years thinking about this shit, and I figured it out already, while this old fool is ZIPPING PAST HIS 50's and will ALMOST CERTAINLY DIE WHILE STILL DELUDED BY HIS RELIGIOUS BELIEFS, and BELIEFS ABOUT MANHOOD. He is a SKINNY WEAK OLD MAN, AND Most Weak humans RELATE TO HIM, in order to avoid acknowledging THEIR OWN DELUSIONS, WEAKNESS, AND FAILURES.
The more people talk about my caps, the more caps-power I attain. I am almost a caps god. GIVE ME MORE POWER!!!!!!!!!!
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eggo ... the very problem with Peterson, is that he uses "RELIGIOUS" to explain things that have NOTHING to do with religion. Anything called RELIGIOUS, even if not OVERTLY, it still hints towards a GOD-driven origin, and a herd mentality, because it is driven by BELIEF, not OBJECTIVE REALITY. Therefore there is NO WAY for individuals to come to their own conclusions, and must believe in his rhetoric, if they choose to follow him, because deviating outside what he says, invalidates his whole statement.
And another problem is the fact that JUST BECAUSE someone can derive/makeup Positive values from FICTION and Fairy Tales, does not Mean the origin of those stories is ALSO true. THis is the place that Jordan peterson is delusional about, He thinks 'Just because some good moral values can be learned from the Bible, there has to be a religious basis for that and god must be true.
And if you listen to his podcast with Sam Harris, you'll realize that this dude hasn't even figured out what is REAL yet, he keeps trying to dodge having to explain what he thinks of truth, he basically says 'what's useful is true', something along those lines. It becomes difficult to make sense of his drivel at times.
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ExtantFrodo2, I don't think you got my angle; I am stating that you can not be a rapist who's also decent because he walks for women's rights marches lol. I simply gave two iterations, showing how two MUTUALLY INCOMPATIBLE moral states (moral and immoral) cannot exist within a single individual. Mental disorders are surely an exception, but that doesn't detract from the main point.
Also, Hitler's price was forfeiting his 1 chance at existing, at ever existing, by being a fucking self important nazi and living a childish, unrealistic fantasy, only to lose it all and be turned into a joke for the remainder of time lolo.
There is no hell, worse than existing in hell, is to not exist at all. Mmm tasty.
Also, Gandhi wasn't good because he did good things, he was immoral simply because he did certain critically immoral things, like play a role in separating India into 2 parts. Despite all the good he did.
Again, it's like how one might be a women's rights activist and pro life and all that, but also happens to be a rapist, it doesn't matter how much activism or any other moral thing that person does, they're still a fucking rapist if they don't stop that shit ayyyyy.
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@aqibpeer7451 Sure, bad teachers can influence the children negatively. But, most kids to grow up to be assholes, are NOT "taught to be assholes" by the teachers. In fact, it's the parents who have more contribution in that matter, either by what they teach, or what they fail to teach or correct.
Blaming the teachers is an easy way to blame the unknown, so parents can overlook their own failures.
And contrary to what you said, zombies also have purpose and direction - eat brains or flesh, etc., etc. Depends on the fantasy model you're looking at - just like religion.
There is actually no "Religion" as a whole that is widely spread. Even the biggest religions barely have a quarter of humans convinced lol - and most of the "biggest religions" only became "so big and popular" because of the expansionist ideology written into their books/code. For example, Islam and Christianity -> people didn't come crawling on their knees to be taught these religions - most of the people who follow these religions today - had the religion forced upon their ancestors by invaders. While those same invaders forcefully destroyed to their best capacity, the traces of the previous religions followed by those ancestors.
There's a whole history of brutality and imposition. But obviously, it's not that evident from the preachers of today -because that behavior doesn't fly in the public opinion that easily anymore, fortunately.
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Removing money from this world doesn't magically eliminate "evil", but certainly removes its scalability, influence, and incentive. It's a lot simpler for everyone to be educated so they can do the best with their potential, have them taught morality, and help them find something to do in life which helps sustain the collective, in return the collective sustains the individuals. Like a daily chore, or pursuit of a more complex skill. People won't be as stupid as now, and they won't want stupid useless shit like every next iphone or 20 different underpants and belts lmao what the shit is that. But people's own desire for money and the perceived benefits it brings to their life (only in the world where money is believed in) is what keeps them from considering a different world, which ultimately allows people to build systems like this where other humans suffer just for a bunch of lowlifes chasing money and using money to create this fucked up shit and sustain it, using other people's necessity for money to sustain themselves, as tools in the whole game lol it's so fucking fucked lmao idk why people still keep fucking themselves indirectly.
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@djwaltoaram7052 Clearly I'm not the one jumping to any conclusions here. I merely responded to what you wrote to me. You are not the one who had to spend their time replying to 'some guy on youtube' lol.
Just how a physicist cannot make any unfounded claim and vindicate it by saying "I've been working as a physicist since I left university 6 years ago". And neither can you.
I certainly didn't "insult you". I said you are wrong and delusional. Which you in turn, took as something to feel insulted by. I made no ad hominems here. While you indirectly call me ignorant without anything to back it up with.
For an ethologist 6 years practicing, saying something as surface-level as and I quote " it appears to be the same with humanity. And its not wrong. It cannot be fixed. Life after all is just a bunch of physical and chemical reactions" is really not doing yourself any favors.
It's evident enough already, that when all adaptive pressures that give rise to violent/aggressive traits within organisms are removed, the impulses/genes/traits associated with them will also recede into non-existence (or can be forcefully removed, given sufficient technology). It is merely a matter of the specie within any ecosystem, that evolves into the niche of abstraction, to reach a point in its advancement, where it can completely overwrite the evolutionary paradigm of that ecosystem (such as earth, for homo sapiens). At that point natural evolution takes a back seat.
Basically, you were wrong in claiming that this is how it is and it's never gonna change cuz evolution.
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DarxPhil, I just have to tell you that you are mixing "subjective interpretations of morality" with "morality". The reason why nobody can say "Morals are individualistic" is because ANYTHING arising from this universe, like animals and their capacity to suffer, will all follow the universe's laws. And because they all follow the same rules, they all have an objective state, which can be interpreted Subjectively, but that doesn't change the objective truth of it. In a theoretical sense, there is ONE certain state of arranging every sentient organism's lives as to remove all suffering and maximize pleasure. And ONE certain state of arranging everything to cause the greatest amount of misery. These both potentials fall on the opposite ends of The "MORAL SPECTRUM". Every act done by sentient organisms toward other sentient organisms is a part of this spectrum, and either leans towards moral, or immoral behavior. You might, or your whole society, or even specie might subjectively create their own standards based on what suits them, but that does not change the REALITY of suffering and the existential states and potentials of other sentient organisms.
Everything that can suffer falls within the sphere of moral good or bad. Inanimate objects do not, unless they can indirectly be used to cause suffering to a sentient organism.
Basically morality applies to everything that can suffer, and you can look at it in any way you want, but that doesn't change the facts. Just how a rapist is always a rapist no matter how many people say otherwise, even if the whole human population says otherwise, the facts do not change. In the same way, the murder of another sentient organism is still murder, no matter how many societies enjoy committing it on a daily basis and pat each other on the back for it.
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