Comments by "Horatio82" (@horatio8213) on "TIKhistory" channel.

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  15.  trainbomb  " LOL, "Holdomor" was not a genocide. Bs propaganda. Parts of my fam survived that famine. Nice myth though." Why I see a Holodomore as a genocide: 1)Famine was cause by planned extraction grain and livestock from Ukraine, rest of USSR did not suffer that much, but still many other agrarian centers were push int famine, like Kazachstan, 2) so called "colectivization" was forced by state, basicly that was state land grab and recreation of servitude. Pesants were keep to work on land by force. No migration was allowed, 3)most succesfull farmers were targeted as enemy of state, they were first to be robbed from land and treat as a fellons and send to prisons or labour camps, 4)when famine struck in 1931-1932 USSR sell more grain than any time before, 5) when famine strike on Ukraine, USSR government do not stop force confiscations, food was taken from areas that were starving, 6)Any other region of USSR was struck that hard as Ukraine and that proces take 2 years. If Soviet government was interseted in helping Ukranians, why that famine was so long? It was two years? Not months but years! 7) Stalin need grain and live stock to export them and push his industralization plans. He knew what would happen and he still decide to go along with his plans, 8)There is no way to claim that only nature cause famine in 1932-1933. If that was true why grain export was in the same time so extencive? Why other nations living outside USSR do not suffer it in the same time? 9) And argument about so called sabotage.Who in right mind belive that pesants starve themself? Maybe if you do not count that all food wa taken from them by state?.....
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  33.  @alexatlantov4569  You have very strange logi. In one case you wrote: "Russia was attacked by Poland at its weakest moment, i.e. in the middle of the civil conflict, but that justifies Poles how? " But in the same time you claim: "Actually, in 1920 the so-called Reds WERE, in effect, state power. They commanded almost all the territory and the civil conflict was played out mostly on the country’s peripheries, and mainly due to the multiple interventions in the conflict of foreign powers, Poland included. " Reds were in your opinion weak and strong in the same time. For your enlighment you should know that at 29th August 1918 (even before Poland was independent at 11th November 1918) Lenin declare that Soviet Russia decide to annulment Partition Treaties that liquidate Poland. As such that mean Soviet Russia resign from lands taken in that process from 1772-1795. The same day also Lenin declare Finland's right to independece. As reality Soviet Russian did not control this lands, but that still mean Lenin recreate Polish-Russian border from 1772! The same way works Soviet declaration from 1917 that they recognise independent Ukraine. Then Lenin that way legitimise existing independent Ukraine, but in reality in the same time Bolsheviks try to capture power in Kiev. But they failed. That is real genesis war between Poland, Soviet Russian and Ukraine. In the Lenin's and Bolshevik mind they gve independence this countries, but in reality they planned conquest of them right from the start. There was no good will on Bolshevik's sides. They clearly declare that they want connect Russian Revolution with German and Hungerian Revolutions! "How Russia can’t have a claim on its own territory? Poland wasn’t part of Russia, but Ukraine was. It’s populated by Russians, not by Poles so why Poles should have any claim on it?" Because as Lenin declare recognision of Ukraine independent and in the same time send Red Army on Ukraine, just when Germany capitualated in WW1 is real show of true intention of Bolsheviks. And most Ukraine was populated by Ukrainians on the East and mix on the West. Russians were in minority. Then how they could claim that Ukraine was a part of Russia? Culture and language were different. Not without the reason in 1930's russification was one of priority for Stalin. He murdered milions by starvation and place greate numbers of Russian into this part of USSR. The same strategy was executed after incorporation of Western part of Ukraine in 1939-1941 and after 1945. "LMAO! This is the most ridiculous thing I’ve ever heard! Revolution was successful only, and only,because it was supported by 90% of the population. That’s why the Reds won the war in the first place. They outnumbered their enemies by a factor of almost 10!!! Whites and Petluras and other separatists were left without soldiers, common people simply didn’t support them. Now, the level of modern brain-washing of the western people is astounding!" I think that rather you are brainwashed. At only free election to under Bolsheviks give them in 1917 only 25% of votes! 25% against 40% for Socialist Revolutionaries! That is so hilarious that your 90% of support si taken from Bolsheviks imagination and propaganda. That is why they liquidate Russian Constituent Assembly and create dictatorship. Way that Bolsheviks won Civil War was simple. Red Terror and that they enemies were divided. Franco win in Spain without majority suport. You call Petrula separatist, when for Ukrainians he is one of fathers of todays Ukraine. Not Bolshevik's puppets. "Excuse me but that’s as to say that in 1994, in Chechnya Russian Federal troops were one of the many sides of the conflict." Indeed Russian Federation use also in fight some parts of anti-Dudayev opposition forces. In the same time at Dudayev side were coalition of different indpendent poltical forces. There were volontueers from whole Caucasus! And Russia lose that war and in the next use Kadyrow's family to pacificate Chechnia. The in that case Russia was one of sides in that complicated war.
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  47.  @alexatlantov4569  "Are you in second grade? It’s childish. Strongness isn’t an absolute concept. Compared to their enemies in the civil war (like Whites) the Reds were strong,mostly because they were overwhelmingly supported by ordinary people, and that is why they ruled the country and its affairs. But on the international arena the country was week due to the disarray of the revolution and the war. Industrial, agricultural and financial systems were in shambles and needed years to be repaired. As a result the Red army was extremely underfed, underclothed, undersupplied etc. Extreme shortage of munitions was the case. Especially artillery. While at the same time the Whites and the Poles were abundantly supplied by the West,but still disgracefuly lost the war." Civil War take nearly 6 years! For most time that was dynamic conflitc. If Poles want to help Whites they would struck at autumn of 1919. When Reds were in the worst possiable position. Surrunded by attacking Whites and with mass rebelions at rears. Yes Soviet were not loved as you claim. They were on road to disaster. Then Poles stop ofensive, when there was any significant forces of Reds against them. In the same time France and UK try force Poles to attack and finish Bolsheviks. But Pilsudski didn't agree. He prefer wait and do not help Whites, because they were biggest treat for Poland. And Polan also was destroyed by war and German-Asutrian occupation. "1917 only 25% of votes! 25% against 40% for” Lol.This is toooo simple even for a second grader. In 1917 nobody new Bolsheviks that’s why they got 25%. And even 25 is rather much under such light. But the real election started when it was for people to decide for whom,out of multiple sides, to join the fight in the civil war. Most people chose Bolshevik – by then everyone already knew them – and that is REAL and the only one legitimate election. People were free to go to fight for Whites, for Petlura, for Kolchak,Denikin, Wrangel, for whomever they liked, but they chose REDS. You are again in the water, my friend" Not simple, but significant. In only real free election Bolsheviks were only with 25% of votes. AGAIN 40% FOR SOCIALIST REVOLUTIONIST. That is why Bolsheviks disband Russian Constituent Assembly. Bolsheviks like many before and after them recognise only election that they win. Calling civil war an from of election is so stiupd that need comment. Using your logic Franco won because he was choose majority. Or Pilsudski in 1926 won because he was so popular? There is so many examples in history when "good dictator" become ruler because he disband instututions and claim will of the people. Just like Napoleon and Hitler...... Bolsheviks won because they dowhatever they need to do to keep them in power. Unrest like Tambov Rebellion 1918-1921 or Kronstadt rebellion proves that Soviet were hated for their terror and dictatorship. "You’re so incompetent I don’t even have words!!! No,Russia didn’t lose the war. Grozny had been taken at least three times. The problem with civil wars that it’s not enough to win them militarily,you have to heal the deep civil wounds, and that is much more harder to do,and the opportunity popped up only when Kadyrov family came up. What do you think we should’ve done in 1996? To kill 100% chehens? To nuke them? Of course anglo-saxons would’ve done exactly that! But Russians are not beasts. We chose to reconcile, so the problem had been just frozen in 1996, and was solved three years later.It was wise and humane." Taking Grozny? First attack was dissaster. Later operations of federal army were tottaly mockery of warfare, Warcimes, genocide of Chechens. Destrucion of infrastrucure of reoublic. All that only in first war which Russia lose. vidence was that federal army reatreat from republic. Second war was started under false pretence that Chechens commit terror attacks. In reality that was false flag operations done by FSB! Agents of FSB were captured by militia on one of site where attack were done in city of Ryazan! FSB claim that were exercises! How look both wars we can read from relations of brave journalist like Anna Politkovskaya. Murdered by writing truth about war crimes in Chechnia. https://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/mar/05/russia.chechnya https://www.independent.co.uk/news/world/europe/who-really-did-kill-russian-journalist-anna-politkovskaya-9535772.html Russia Army act in Chechnia like nazi, killing civilians and commiting other war crimes. I have chance o talk with soldier frim Russian Army and he said that was genocide and he is haunted by attrocieties he see in this war done by federal army. There is multiply evidence and testimonies from Chechens, Russians that sow how Putin's administration sanction genocide of citizens of Republic. Then do not claim that federal forces act with no contempt for life of civilians.
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