Comments by "Horatio82" (@horatio8213) on "TIKhistory" channel.

  1.  @СергейРублев-т7я  1.Congo became socialist paradise later with the same effect. You take wrong example Comrad. 2.-3. Stalin have no rights to take that teritorries. In 1917 Lenin declare a self determination rule and he declare that all annexation of Taar as illegal. And in the same time try conquere the same lands he declare free from russian Imperialist. R-M Pact, Yalta and Postdam where Stalin without asking any nations declare them part of his sphere of influence?
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  2.  @СергейРублев-т7я  1) Oh I see that when soviet regime was weak it reapects rights of neibors and argue for peace. But when gather strenght star acting like bandit and came to agreement with nazi to enslave other nations. Nice explenation of soviet double speak. 2) For first right to own independence and right to elect government. Right to use own language and create own culture. Not suppresed by external soviet government! And mean place like Baltic States or Ukraine and Bielarus ( which today suffer from rusification and force relocations of population). From 1940 Baltic States were treat like colony by communist. You know that today ethnic strucure was created by planned removal of local communieties and colonization of mass of ethnic Russians. The same was done in West part of Ukraine and Bielarus, removal of Polish majorieties from cities and repllacing them by Russians. Deportation of Tatars from Crimea. List is long.
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  3.  @СергейРублев-т7я  USSR was country with monoparty political system. Form and procedures of elections make them farce, that was not even close to any real democratic procedings. Communist party falsified them all what deny population of real representation. And claiming that there were no enough workers in Baltic States is basicly exccuse to mask program of sovietisation and russification of this republics. Not mention mass executions and removal of no-russian population from there. I ignore your claim of Tatars collaboration because there is no evidence to support that so called collaboration, only fault of Tataes was that they were under German occupqtion. This deportation was typical product of Stalin's paranoi and his fears. And put claim on Curzon line is ridiciouls becausee that is creation of british politician that never understand history of this part of the world. Polish ethnic presence were there from 14th century long befor Russia conquere this territory. Lviv was major Polish city for 400 yera befor 20th century. Many such place exist to Soviet ethnic cleasing this lands in 1940's. Take some work and read Stalin's speeches after WW2 when he put emphasis on leasing role of Russia s in Soviet state. To today Russians belive that Ukrainians and Bielaeusians are not real nations and they are part of Russian nation with regionalny dialects. Schools in whole USSR force russian language and official language of USSR was russian. Other language and culture only on paper were tret the same. One of my partner was Ukrainian girl and she alway tell me how ukrainian was pushed from official use and banned from culture even in late USSR.
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  4.  @СергейРублев-т7я  "1. A political party is part of the social class, and the USSR had a classless society, so it does not need a multi-party system. Find Stalin's interview for Roy Howard on March 1, 1936 to find out the details." Facts are different, USSR never became classless.... even if whole communisty party claim that. You can belive in utopia, but that never happened. USSR society still was build like hiererchy. Party members on top, thats why they sell lie about clasless state. And one party system is totalitarism, people can have different opinion even in "clasless society". "2. Paranoia is a myth. The Bolsheviks were pragmatists." Do not dissagree with that. But Stalin as a man probably was paranoid, I read in interview with old revolutionists that Lenin ordered evaluation, but after his death Stalin destroy documentation. Probably he also kill his wife, because her death was very suspicious and claimed as suicide. There is too many relations about his behavior that points to heavy paranoia. "3. Only some Russian nationalists say that the Ukrainian and Belarusian nations do not exist. This is not the opinion of the entire Russian nation. The Bolsheviks were internationalists and supported the culture of all their nations. Some Russian nationalists even accuse the Bolsheviks of artificially creating the Ukrainian nation. That is why I do not take your words seriously about the fact that the Bolsheviks suppressed all nations except the Russian (lol). The USSR was never a Russian nation state, but it used Russian workers to improve production indicators in other non-Russian republics (not only the Baltic states, but also Asia, etc.)." I do not claim that Russians weren't suppress. Facts are that russian language and culture were forced on other nations in USSR and satelite states. You can put tons of documents claim in official language that every nationality was equal. But that is no connected with reality. As Orwell wrote, All animals are equal. But some animals are equal more. That was nothing new, from 19th century russian nationalism was used to oppress other nations. Even in geopgraphy you can see how bolsheviks were internatinalist. There were plaves like Vipuri that become Выборг/Wyborg just to remove finish name! The same with Königsberg/Калининград/Kaliningrad. https://repository.law.umich.edu/cgi/viewcontent.cgi?article=1439&context=mjil https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=ZH9nkBOxrZQC&pg=PA177&lpg=PA177&dq=how+soviets+use+russification+for+own+goals&source=bl&ots=sgw8s87tK6&sig=ACfU3U1umo2ueAcYLLSpd1x21c8nwonCZg&hl=pl&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiWvaP1nqfoAhWgURUIHXlDAZwQ6AEwDnoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=how%20soviets%20use%20russification%20for%20own%20goals&f=false "4. You need to find the transcript of the 10th Congress of the Bolshevik Party and read it carefully. Stalin says there that the urban population of many European countries is a legacy of colonialism. That is why the Poles were deported from Lvov etc." Curious because many times Soviets do one thing and claim othervise. Simple examples: Poland and USSR had Non-Agression Pact from 1932 which was still in action at 23rd August 1939 and at 17th September 1939. When Molotov sign pact with Ribbentrop USSR without notification to Polish side break in secrecy this document. Also that was betrayal of Riga Peace Treaty between Poland nad USSR. Next in 1942 was sign Treaty Sikorski-Mayski that declare restoration to Poland lands taken by USSR in 1939 with cooperation with Hitler in R-M Pact! But in the end Stalin take by force this land breaking his own treaties. Then for me any soviet declaration have no value, more than paper that this declaration cover. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Peace_of_Riga https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Soviet%E2%80%93Polish_Non-Aggression_Pact https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sikorski%E2%80%93Mayski_agreement Then I do not belive in any peacefull and official declaration of Stalin and communist party of USSR. Because everytime they broke this declarations. What ios the point belive in any of soviet lie to be lied again? Also there were no such thing like as you cliam, polish colonisation, that was for centuries land which was part of polish state. From 1387 to 1772 was in polish possesion, and again from 1920 to 1939 was part of Poland! City was in majority polish but was taken with brealking by Stalin and USSR many treaties and force relocation of Poles and some Ukrainians! USSR hve no right t this city, historicly or geographicly it was Polish city! It is one more crime done by USSR. Thamks to history now is in independent Ukraine that do not want to join again to Russia and want to be independent state. "5. Yes, the official state language of the USSR was Russian, but non-Russian republics had their own regional languages, which were enshrined in the constitution. You do not need to use the opinion of Russian or Ukrainian nationalists about Soviet politics because they seek to rewrite history. Russian nationalists say that the Bolsheviks gave too many privileges to non-Russian nations in the USSR to the detriment of the Russian. But Ukrainian nationalists say that the Bolsheviks used the Russians to suppress their national culture. Both options are false. You need to find the originals of Soviet documents and party meetings." Take a look on higer parts. Do I have to write it again. Officialy USSR was paradise of equality. In reality was totaliterian and later authoritaeriaian state. Constiusion, declarations and conference mean nothing if reality is different.
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  5.  @СергейРублев-т7я  Totalitarism was created by Plato. Marx wrote his whole ideology around this model of governing. Do you claim that USSR wasn't marxist? And because of examples of Third Reich and USSR totalitarism is viewed as a disastrous.
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  6.  @СергейРублев-т7я  2.His second wife Nadieshna, she killed herself (official version) or she was killed by Stalin. You really do not know that? And you rather mean people that are seen by communist as enemies are killed. Trotsky was enemy of Stalin not communism. But still he was murdered. The same NKVD murdered many socialists and communist fighting in Spanish Civil War.
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  7.  @СергейРублев-т7я  3. There we is many sucsessfull countries in history that were multilanguage. Switzland today. Even in times of Tsars Russian Empire contain lands with multilanguage official status Then you are wrong.
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  8.  @СергейРублев-т7я  Fins do not want to lose own territory because Stalin paranoia and imperialism demand it. Then USSR invade Finland. Yep... No nationalism here..... SARCASM. As a International, not nationalistic USSR take German land, remove inhabitans, change name for Russian sounding.... Yeah nonationalism again.... Hahahhaha. SARCASM AGAIN.
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  9.  @СергейРублев-т7я  5./6.) Poland refuse to German demand to invade USSR as a allied of Third Reich. And that was in line of Riga Peace Treaty and Non-Aggression Pact with USSR. And what Stalin did, he demand to let his armies to Poland as a guarantee of his "help". When Poland decline, when in the same TIME Hitler was panicing and start changeing his plans, Stalin give him a option.. And that is war begun. Without R-M Trety would be just a War between isolated Hitler and UK, France and Poland. But with help of Stalin, Hitler exit from that isolation. And even Curzon Line in one of variants give Lviv to Poland! What is without any meaning because in Riga Treaty,. Non Agression Polish-Soviet Treaty and Sikorski-Maysky Treaty confirmed that USSR resign from any claim to this lands. Then what is a point to belive in honest of Soviet intentions? Because material evidence make it clear.
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  10.  @СергейРублев-т7я  7./8. Churchill also said that to beat Hitler he would praise and work even with the Devil. And he do it, but thaat was not a Belzebub, but Stalin himself. You many times use terms Stalin/comminist declare/belive. I am rather interested what they did. Because that is a real picture what is propaganda and what is reality. I know official Soviet documentation, claims and propaganda. But I also.know examples of internal or secret documents of soviet state. And too many times official were just lies. Then I rather point to facts and not to belive in propaganda. After taking Poland's East part in 1939 Soviet killed thousends of Polish POW. When in the same time they claim that Germans do it. And reality was that NKVD on personal decision of Stalin and his helpers murdered them. Then how I can belive in good will or honest of USSR when that was common practice.
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  11.  @СергейРублев-т7я  Poland was first participant in WW2. Emigration government was recognise around the world. From 1942 even by USSR. Poland is one of creators of UN. After fall of France Poland have second arm forces after UK fighting with Hitler. You present strange vision of history, non accepted in majority even in USSR. And reading your claims that all aggression in 1939-1941 done by USSR were just protective mesaures is just bullshit. For one aggression on independent states is stil aggression. Annexation is also sign of communist imperialism. You present ideology that claim that USSR have right to seize lands in own interes not regarding any treaty which it is a participant. War, annexation and co operation with Hitler to protect from Hitler! Nicly done, 1941 show how communist were prepared. USSR not for a moment respect own official position. No respect for independent nations and they fight with Hitler. No soviet promises was worth nothing. Polish soldiers and resistant members that were seen by USSR as enemies were falsly accused as nazi collaborators! And Baltic States were from start taken by USSR in line of collaboration with Hitler. Wholeyour post could be easly change to apology for nazism. They use the same imperial logic, might made right. But that did not serv well to USSR. In 1991 reality just end this experiment. Shame that take so long and cost milllions of dead. Soviets were the same Imperialist like colonial empires or nazi or fascist.
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  12.  @СергейРублев-т7я  In 1939 Germans were isolated and even when they want start war with Poland and qin it that mean they were be blockaded from trade. Stalin had just wait aand in early 1941Hitler would run out of oil, food and other resources. But Stalin sell thaat to Hitler in enough quantity to keep Germans fighting. That is not preparing for German attack. That is keeping them fighting. That is why whole so calles buying time is only lie. Stalin could choke Germany economy by not trading with Hitler.
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  13. UK, France and Poland have few plans for war. In stategic sence Poland would lose every time, our job was buying time for UK and France. When Germans win in Poland they used most of reservs of war Materials. Only way to replace them was international trade. But that trade in most cases was blockes by Royal Navy and Marine National. Even with Romanian oil Germans would be doomed. Hitler want to attack at West in atum 1939. But generals block that idea because fight in Poland deplete German materiał base. What happen between autum 1939 and spring 1940? Stalin sell great quantity war materials to Hitler. Hitler campanigs from 1940 were possiable only with economicalan military help from Stalin. And USSR pay the price for it. And do not forget how important to soviet victory was war that UK, USA and other allied were participation around the world. USSR like Italy start as a German allies, but end in Allied camp.
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  14.  @СергейРублев-т7я  Best soviet source to prove Soviet plans? R-M Pact with secret protocols. Soviet demands for Germany from 1940. All of that prive that Stalin was interested in gaing new teritorries by conquest or extortion. And no one blame Stalin for self interes action but his fault was help to Hitler with starting the war. Aggression on Poland, Finland and other aggressive action was taken asa part of coordinated actions agreed with Hitler. Stalin is second person after Hitler who should be blame for WW2. Even Mussolini was against war in 1939!
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  15.  @СергейРублев-т7я  "The Soviet General Staff never considered Soviet politics in 1939-1941 an act of aggression. This is the opinion of Eastern Europe after the collapse of socialism and the rewriting of history, but this is not the opinion of the USSR on which it officially relies. Try to show me Soviet sources who say that the USSR was planning to "occupy and enslave Europe." Soviet historiography said that the Red Army liberated Bessarabia from the Romanian occupation, western Ukraine from the Polish occupation, and the Baltic states from the pro-fascist dictatorship. Thus, we should always use the opinion of the government that pursues its policy, and not the opinion of their enemies." I will give you some quote and documents from history and maybe you will grasp how much you "opinion" is rewrithing history. Because you should ad that before 1989-1991 any criticism of USSR was treat as a crime and was punished by prison. In todays Russia criticism of USSR is still punished by government! "One blow from the German army and another from the Soviet army put an end to this ugly product of Versailles." Vyacheslav Molotov — Statement after the fall of Poland, as quoted in Legitimacy and Force (1988) by Jeane J. Kirkpatrick, p. 49 Official stand of Molotov confirming German- Soviet invasion on Poland! Not mention of separate action, it is clear that is confirming a fact of military invasion that was coordinated! In 1920's Soviets prepared cooperation with Weimar Republic against Poland. Long before Hitler and Stalin. Rapallo Treaty was in first place targeting Poland as main enemy for Soviets and Germans. First time was talked about partition of Poland between Soviets and Germany. https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=gQfUB0CXBO4C&pg=PA302&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q&f=false And maybe Ribentrop-Molotov Pact is not enough evidence. Specialy one of the parts from secret part: " 2. In the event of a territorial and political transformation of the territories belonging to the Polish state, the spheres of interest of Germany and the U.S.S.R. shall be bounded approximately by the line of the rivers Narew, Vistula and San. The question of whether the interests of both parties make the maintenance of an independent Polish state desirable and how the frontiers of this state should be drawn can only be definitely determined in the course of further political developments. In any case both Governments will resolve this question by means of a friendly understanding. " Two countries agre to dismantle country wich both plan to invade. Straigth from Pact which was Soviet officail document.
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  16.  @СергейРублев-т7я  1/2/3/4)Germans were so weaken after campanig in Poland that whole high command of Werhmacht oppose attack on France in 1939! German military was dissapointed because German plan do not account for campanig longer than 7-10 days. That is why Germans push for Stalin that he should join to war earlier than 17th September. And that is not the myth. Germans not without reason wait for spring 1940 to attack. Main trade Germany operate by Atlantic with USA and South America. Without oil from there Ronamian and Hungary trade can't support German economy. In case of blockade Germans have only reserves of oil to 1941-42 and in other materials it was more grim. Hitler "reforms" made german economy falling apart. Lack of trade and cut from oil and other resources would make fall much faster. Soviet help did not replace that, but made this period much longer. It made possiable for Germans even invade USSR later in 1941! Lenin was right, but in the same time wrong. Soviets sell the string that Germans nerly hang them. 5) Poland try to repair diplomatic relationship with Czechoslovakia. But Prauge count on France and USSR and reject polish proposition. How it ends. USSR and France do nothing to stop Hitler. And now you blame Poland? USSR was bounded by military alliance with Prauge! Even some Czech generals propose alliance with Poland against Hitler but president Eduard Benesz reject that because he belive that USSR and France will save them! 6) Thousend tanks, trucks and planes in Red Army was produced by USA and UK. Crucial war materials came from this countries too. USA and UK fougth with allied with Germany, Italy and Japan in the same time! WW2 was not only land war. Without strategic bombing German industry would produce more than produce in reality. Germans fleet keep great portion of resources that could be used in war with USSR, I understand that USSR want claim that won war alone, but it is not even close to truth. USSR was a part of big alliance fighting against other block. If Japan strike in 1941 on eastern part of USSR, who knows maybe war coukd take different way for Soviets. Hitler underestimate USA and UK. And he pay price for it, as he made this mistake with USSR.   7) Few examples, not even economic just military cooperation: Luftwaffe coordinate navigation by cooperation with soviet radio station in Minsk. Usage of this radio was done to help with navigation over Poland in 1939. Basis Nord- German naval base existing in USSR in tears 1939-1940. Used mainly to German fleet against Norway in 1940. After this operation base was close by Germans. German–Soviet military parade in Brest-Litovsk in 1939 as a official ending German-Soviet operation against Poland. 8) " 2. In the event of a territorial and political transformation of the territories belonging to the Polish state, the spheres of interest of Germany and the U.S.S.R. shall be bounded approximately by the line of the rivers Narew, Vistula and San. The question of whether the interests of both parties make the maintenance of an independent Polish state desirable and how the frontiers of this state should be drawn can only be definitely determined in the course of further political developments. In any case both Governments will resolve this question by means of a friendly understanding." Basicly what that mean by you like not agreement to invade Poland? And for this cause this part was claimed by USSR as a non-existing. By USSR there were no secret protocols! If there was no war, why Soviets take polish POW an even exchange them with Germans? Some of people taken by Germans to captivity land in Soviet hands and were killed by NKVD later in 1940. That is neutrality?
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  17.  @СергейРублев-т7я  Here you have German chronical about this event: https://www.youtube.com /watch?v=CA__56vFqa8 Neutral side do not take part in parade to take a joy in beating other country on side of aggressor.
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  18.  @СергейРублев-т7я  For me is obvieus is that you are not interested in any facts that destroy you propaganda vision of Soviet history. I do not have more time to lose it for you amd people like you. Who want to see and study real history can see himself what are the facts. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6943A5_m6ZM
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  19.  @СергейРублев-т7я  Parade in Brest Litovsk. Movies show full cooperation and participation of German and Soviet army. Myth my ass: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_eGo-NEcEVI https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QspnYAYGJ04 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8lhsTMErZuc&t=28s https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4Tk48pwvf1s Plus some photos: https://www.google.pl/search?q=parade+in+brest+litovsk&sxsrf=ALeKk00O1fRvO8egUJj6nReTcpDWu1i8KQ:1584791443964&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwiK2b2YwKvoAhVEQEEAHaPmBJQQ_AUoAXoECBAQAw&biw=1488&bih=925#imgrc=U7ZTxPrTFnTt1M: What is the point to talk with some who is claiming non-existenz of fact even proven by movie, iconography and other sources! Parade was done under command fro German side General Heinz Guderian and KombrIg (Commanding officer of the brigade) Semyon Krivoshein. "3. Lol. The text of the secret protocols contains a sphere of influence, not a plan for the destruction of Poland. The new border in the center of Poland is the border of the sphere of influence, and not part of the military plan. The exchange of Polish prisoners is not a sign of a military alliance, but part of a new treaty on friendly neutrality." Really? "Article II In the event of a territorial and political rearrangement of the areas belonging to the Polish state, the spheres of influence of Germany and the U.S.S.R. shall be bounded approximately by the line of the rivers Narev, Vistula and San. The question of whether the interests of both parties make desirable the maintenance of an independent Polish state and how such a state should be bounded can only be definitely determined in the course of further political developments. In any event both governments will resolve this question by means of a friendly agreement. " That is whole article from R-M Pact that prove that is planned invasion by Germany and USSR. But one part is important as a evidence: "The question of whether the interests of both parties make desirable the maintenance of an independent Polish state and how such a state should be bounded can only be definitely determined in the course of further political developments." Any problems with understanding simple text? Not mention that secret part of protocole was a secret and was denied by USSR basicly to the end of USSR. Around 1989 starts first changes in this area. 50 yeras later! Not mention that part contaning this article was obligatory keep out of public in secrecy by both sides, Germany and USSR! That whole article was even then illegal in international law and with obligations that USSR still have in Riga Peace Treaty and Non-Aggression Pact with Poland. Specially Non-Agression Pact from 1932 was still obligatory with part that state. On May 5, 1934, it was extended to December 31, 1945 without amendment. 17th September 1939 USSR break it attacking Poland fighting with Germans. Article 2 stricly forbid entering into cooperation or aiding any help to third party that will be hostile against Poland or USSR! Even creation of secret protocoles in R-M Pact was hostile action against Poland done by USSR to aid Germans.
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  20.  @СергейРублев-т7я  Hahahaha you are so dumb that you really belive that people can't see that there is no difference between German-Soviet parade and as you claim Soviets moving in the same streets in city. You are worst than Goebbels. Clearly seen that both German and Soviet troops march before Guderian and Semyon Krivoshein. There is picture from other friendly parade from Grodno: https://qph.fs.quoracdn.net/main-qimg-ccee37de9529714bb1045376e9a62dff Too many evidence commie to claim that never happened. 2./3.) "2. You quote a fragment from the text of secret protocols that contain words about the sphere of influence, but do not contain the words “joint military operation against Poland”" Do not have to, many aggression was named as a defence or more dubois. Hell Hitler claim that he invades Poland nad USSR in slef-defence!. Even secret protocole with mention of join border is violation of Non-Aggression Pact with Poland. Not mention part of text about collabration in decission about Polish independence. That is de facto confirmation of Molotov words: And do not bother I am Master of Political Sciences with specialization in international relations. And I will give you reasons why even R-M Pact was illegal with existing USSR treaty obligations: 1) Riga Peace Treaty from 1922 2)Polish- Soviet Non-Aggresion Pact 1932 3) USSR as an active member of Leauge of Natiion can't part in any trety aimed on other member 4) R-M Pact was signed at 23rd August 1939 BEFORE INVASION AT POLAND WITHOUT ANY SOVIET DECLARATION ABOUT REJECTING OBLIGATIONS FROM PREVIOUS TREATY WITH POLAND! That mean USSR broke whole it's obligations 23rd August not 17th September and cooperate from this moment with Hitler. 6)17th September Polish Army still was fighting with Germans, Polish Government and High Command was on polish territory (Romanians confirmed that they move by they border at night 17th to 18th September, after Soviet invasion), on eastern part of Poland still new army units was form in next wave of mobilisation! Polish border guard patrol east border of Poland! When Red Army strike in polish back Poland was fighting with Germans! Warsaw was under siege but not taken. There were battles between Polish Army and Germans at Bzura, Tomaszow Lubelski and Kock. Red Army attacking Poland was fighting wthout declaration of war with Polish soldiers that try defend themself. Many battles was won by polish soldiers but in the end that agression was sucesfull because was in pair with nazi invasion. There are accounts of soviet war crimes against poilsh defenders. Finaly was executions in Katyn and other places. That is why we called that invasion because Poland was attacked in the same time when it was fighting with Germans! Even Molotov in his words confrm that was not just neutral and help for Poland and other nations operation: "A short blow by the German army, and subsequently by the Red Army, was enough for nothing to be left of this bastard (ублюдок) of the Treaty of Versailles" 9th September 1939 German ambassadore in Moscow Friedrich-Werner von der Schulenburg was inform by Molotov that USSR is ready to attack Poland not later than few days. 9th when Germans still fight with most of Polish Army. That is real date of decision. 17th September was just execution of this treachery. Molotov was warning that WWS will attack targets on soviet part! That was warning against soviet bombings of polish territory! Then take your communist propaganda and do not lie again. I do not need your books that make exccuse for USSR. You prove by your lies that you do not recognise truth even when you are confronted with evidence. Places like Katyn or Kharkow and Miednoye are evidence that USSR executed polish officials. Many of then were exchanged with Germans, because they were taken by Germans as POW. From German captivity they were given to NKVD and later in 1940 murderd by Stalin decision. Do you defend that?
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  21.  @СергейРублев-т7я  Evidence are not only that photo but relations of civilians, Germans and Soviets. That is like claiming that there were no holocaust but Germans only let Jews killed themself.... Firet hand relations, picures and documents are not enough... because some randome commrad do not belive. 2) There was many lesser know battle when Poles realize opertional plans. But how we can fight when in second week of fight Soviet strike as in back... Examples? Operational Group Polesie first figth with Soviet troops and again then win battle with Germans. That was last battle of camaign, Batle of Kock! In 4th October! They won every battle on their combat, with Soviets and Germans. Group was disbanded because of lac ok ammunition! Even lost by Poles battle of Bzura was succses because cost Germans time and prevent capturing Warsaw. And for your information first transports from France and UK were send to Romania. After Soviet attack they were turn back. 2.3.4.) Molotov said very important words! "One blow from the German army and another from the Soviet army put an end...." Again maybe you understands :"One blow from German army and another Soviet army.." Then what the hell is that like not the description of military cooperation. German and Soviets together! Basis Nord was supplying Uboots and was stage to invasion on Norway. That is not only trade as you claim. Minsk radiostation was used as a marker for German Luftwaffe with cooperation of Soviet arm forces. Friedrich Werner von der Schulenburg german abassadore report that Soviets are waiting with invasion and do not acing in accord of mutual agreement in this case. Later he even report the false pretense on what USSR plan to give as a excusse to invade Poland! Fun fact he rescue Polish ambassadore and polish diplomatic staff, arrested by USSR with violation of diplomatic immunity. German Ambassadore rescue Polish when both countries were in war! Agains unlawfull soviet arrest! 5) "Lol, you call the lack of evidence the truth and the attempt to refute the old myths is the defense of the communist lies. But you did not even know the name of the book that I wanted to recommend to you. You refuse to seek the truth. This is not a scientific research method." Lack of evidence? Katyn Massace is enough evidence about real soviet intencion. Killing POW in such manner is typical for USSR because happen from start in 1939. Wounded polish soldiers were tortured and murdered after they were dissarm. Lies about help against Hitler that make soldiers give their arms to just be executed by Red Army. Deportation of civilians done as a element of ethnic purges. The same fate was put on Baltic States politicians and soldiers. And you lecure me that I have to read book to convinnce me that USSR was right to invade neutral country and there were no military cooperation with Hitler. I read too many books like that in school and from library. No commrad I have enoug soviet lies. If USSR was so great with socialism why USSR fall and how it is that today Russia is still poor.
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  22.  @СергейРублев-т7я  Reading your response I can now tell that you are hardcore communist. No evidence or even realtions from vitnesses can't convince you. 1) Even with pohtos and relations are not evidence for you. Typycal claim is that they show something else. Historians spends years o analyse of them and there is no doubt that there are from join parade, not two different times and places! There are even photos of Victory Arches that hail win over common enemy! https://ic.pics.livejournal.com/ingwar_lj/11031373/323443/323443_original.jpg Or how friendly were German and Soviet soldiers to eachother: https://3.bp.blogspot.com/-Q4e0PYwTZAQ/WgNZU7OAZ2I/AAAAAAACEx4/h-U_xJXp8JgX7PmjiP4bl__VrGTFuRe2QCLcBGAs/s1600/Brest-Litovsk_worldwartwo.filminspector.com_1.jpg https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DKUY-GVXkAAZh0N.jpg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_military_parade_in_Brest-Litovsk#/media/File:Bundesarchiv_Bild_101I-121-0012-30,_Polen,_deutsch-sowjetische_Siegesparade,_Panzer.jpg 2) Like that the most of Soviet industry was captured or in evacuation to rears in 1941! Thta is why so important was Stalingrad in 1942, because rest factories were in Moscow, Leningrad or evacuated on East! Fight still were taken by Polish Army and important materials were in the Eastern part. Whole inventories of uniforms, weapons and ammunition were taken by Red Army when they disarm polish sodiers which were send to mobilisation centers. Soviets gather so many polish weapons that they were use in defence of USSR in 1941! I saw photos of RKM wz.28 (Polish version of BAR) and other polish originated firearms in hands of Workers Militia in defence of Moscow in 1941! Poland still have soldiers in field fighting Germans and USSR give them many times false prromise of help and when they agree on Soviet terms, they were disarmed. Polish Army do not have ammunition because Soviets captured most of reserves on East part of Poland! How army could have them if Soviet get them! 3) He stated that Gemrans and Soviets destroy Poland. Plain and simple.What evidence you need? More is in historic books with information form German Ambassadore in Moscow to Berlin. He report every exccuse that Soviets give after not invading Poland in first days of September. One of his description give information that Soviets will attack Poland and demand that Germans do not cross demarcation line because from start soviet airfoce will bomb polish targets and that could lead to friendly fire! Straight from polish historic book translation of it. "Mołotow oświadczył, że wystąpienie zbrojne Związku Sowieckiego nastąpi zaraz, być może nawet jutro (...) Stalin przyjął mnie o drugiej w nocy w obecności Mołotowa i Woroszyłowa i oświadczył, że Armia Czerwona przekroczy dziś rano o godzinie szóstej granicę sowiecką na całej długości od Połocka do Kamieńca Podolskiego. Dla uniknięcia nieporozumień prosił usilnie, aby lotnictwo niemieckie od dzisiaj nie przekraczało na wschód linii Białystok-Brześć-Lwów. Samoloty sowieckie rozpoczną już dzisiaj bombardowanie terenów na wschód od Lwowa." Friedrich-Werner von der Schulenburg, Ściśle tajne, nr 371[ J. Łojek, Agresja 17 września 1939, s. 71. There are also recolections of Polish officers that wee transfer from Soviets to Germans as POW. Cooperation of Gestapo and NKVD in destroying polish ressistance movment. 4) Not one Uboot, but much more, also ships from Kreigsmarine that supply Germans invading Norway. That is much more than friendly help! It is military assistance! Minsk radiostation send signal that was agreed with Luftwaffe! Not just warning. It was crucial for German navigation over Poland! When USSR invade Finland, Third Reich block transit of weapons and food to Finland! It was with mutual agreement between USSR and Third Reich. 5) "5. You did not understand my position. The USSR was neutral in relation to Germany, but hostile to Poland. The murder in Katyn is the murder of the enemies of the Soviet system. The deportation of Poles, Ukrainians, Baltic states in 1936-1941 is not ethnic cleansing (the USSR is an international state), but a fight against spies, armed rebels and their social base (families). After the deportation of families, the intensity of the rebel resistance sharply decreased because they have no hope of success. Thus, deportation is a struggle for one's own security, not a terrible plan of genocide." That what Germans did before 22nd June 1941. Holocaust and mass genocide starts from 1942 as a planned action! Before was only smaller actions compared with what USSR did in the same time. They planned this earlier but they did not more than USSR in the same time in numbers of victimes! When German did it is genocide, but when USSR did it is...elimination of enemies? Stranh=ge logic. Mass deportation, executions of local leaders of population, not only Poles, but also Ukrainians and Bielarussians. Murdering polish POW in Soviet hands! Even Germans after campaign in Poland in 1939 they relise most of POW, they only keep officers. And even many with incidents of war crimes in battles of 1939 they did not murder most of officers in thier captivity. USSR did in 1940! Basicly I admire you honesty that you don't claim that USSR did not do it and blame Germans. Genocide is genocide whatever you will called it. Even claiming that USSR as a inernational country do not commit genocide and ethnic cleansing, then USA also can't do it by your definition. And in response on point 6. Your silly claim that 1980's USSR fall because of treachery is just stiupid. 1970 era was full of signs of comming fall. Social and economic. But with censorship and propaganda USSR keep truth hidden. From start communism was disaster for people livining in Soviet Rusia and later USSR.
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  23.  @СергейРублев-т7я   1). You are blind there is Soviet National Sign Hammer and Sicle plus two Swastikas! On one Arch as a symbol of victory! I am sure you will provide some "expalenation" on that. 2)Do you understand own language or English? "One blow from the German army and another from the Soviet army put an end to this ugly product of Versailles." "On blow...another from...." it is admiting that USSR take part in destroying Poland with Germans! What other you can claim that some other was going on? That is what I can name in your case of a cognitive dissonance in your case. I provide you source with realation of German ambassadore in Moscow about Soviet declarations from September of 1939. He inform Berlin on Soviet preparation what were done in connection with agreement that both countries strike Poland in the same time. And why Soviets didn't do it before 17th September 1939. You are mysteriously silent about it? What that source is non-legit? German diplomat who send informations to Berlin from his Soviet counterparts? Stalin even send some German communist to his new pal Hitler who was killing them! https://avalon.law.yale.edu/subject_menus/nazsov.asp 3. Gestapo and NKVD were providing information to eachother about polish ressistance. And they were providing exchange of POW from one country to another. Polish officers from Soviet captivity were change for that from German captivity in agreement reached after R-M Pact! Some of killed in Katyn was taken as POW by Germams and exchange with Soviets. And only Russians are claiming that is not truth when documentation and relations is confirmed by Germans and other sources. Not in anyway suprising that pro-soviet historians want reject that fact! http://nkwd-und-gestapo.de/ https://lithuaniatribune.com/soviet-nazi-cooperation/ 4)https://link.springer.com/referenceworkentry/10.1007%2F978-3-319-25582-8_20014 https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=OiKxyqNp8SUC&pg=PA111&lpg=PA111&dq=basis+nord&source=bl&ots=WKoOOUxr94&sig=-uwU9nPuFxjzhuvjPevP26OZPGQ&hl=en&sa=X&ei=fqJTUZGuMIyN0QGvtIHIBw&redir_esc=y#v=onepage&q=basis%20nord&f=false http://www.oilru.com/or/16/204/ How important military was for Germans before capuring Norway is shown in service of Kreigsmarine. Like merchant raider Komet: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_auxiliary_cruiser_Komet Or ships providing supply to attacking Norway German troops, ship named Jan Wellem was main source fo this transport and it operate from this base!
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  24.  @СергейРублев-т7я 1. In simple words only existing religion in USSR was communism. Any other was "heresy". As we know commrad Stalin was biggest genius in history.... 2. Yes because this labor was so ruthless that numbers of dead you claim were lower than in reality! When people died from famine and overworking wo need gas chambers. In reality that was 15% in peace years to 25% in wartime dead in Gulags in 1921 to 1956. https://www.hoover.org/news/gulags-veiled-mortality-golfo-alexopoulos 3. "The USSR did not repress the Jews - it repressed for cosmopolitanism activity." So called"conspiracy of doctors" antisemitic action start by Stalin. Stoped by his death. 4." Yes, Hitler's party had the name of a socialist, but in fact they were imperialists. The desire for living space is imperialism." Because USSR didn't invade anyone and even have no genocidal actions....SARCASM 5.Oh yes because Party members were did not proivliged. Not special shops for Party membersor even segregation in Party! Propaganda. nothing more. 6. Agreeing border inside independent third country is no plan of aggression is occasion is USSR do it. Anyone else is aggressor. Providing bases for German fleet is not military action and parading toghether is not act of military cooperation. 7. Stated goals not were realised......Propaganda can't hide poverty and failures of USSR. Holodomor or murdering own citizens with poison gas is not war crime is is done in name of communism comrad?
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  25.  @СергейРублев-т7я  " I do not deny that the Polish NKVD operation was excessively brutal, but this is only an illusion of genocide." 110 000 victimes (only lower confirmed number, there are bigger estimates) killed because ethnic background, even most loyal communists killed by NKVD is not genocide? Then what it was as not crime against humanity of genocide by killing that way own citizens by just simple biurocratic decission? And you wrote like communist and use communist propaganda. That is point to see you as communist. To understand something you use objetive markers of science not subjective soviet ideology! It is like claiming that I have to study nazism, I am forced to thinking like nazi and accept that what is nazi point of view! Soviet point of view is understanded very easly. Whatever Soviets did was rigth. Amen. Sorry Sergei that is tottal bullshit.
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  26.  @lukebruce5234  You cherrypick examples whotout contex. First. Chehoslovakia was also in allaince with Soviet Union, using your logic they also betray it. USSR also were part of Munich Pact, but for propaganda reson claim that they not supporting it! Second. Holodomor was created because at least two reasons. First was need to sale grain for money to buy in West technology for industralization. Second main reason was extermination of kulaqs. Third that way Stalin starts his colectivization. As example Ford and Junckers build factories in USSR, that mean that West also help USSR prepare to war? That is just trade. You pay me and i sell you my products. There is systematic genocid in Soviet Union from start. Lenin and Stalin just perfect methods by the time. Gulags, force labor, mass killings on ethnic and social gtoups. All that was present in USSR. You claim that is no material evidence. That is false and we have this documents. Read Solzenicyn. Look on Katyn, whole world saw picures of killed polish POW, plus we have documents with Stalin signature. There are examples after examples. We have also accses to archives in 1990, now Russia again is closing them but is too late. My biggest regret is we don't see all of soviet archives. Your claims are so weak like claims that Hitler doesn't know about Holocaust. Long before Hitler create Wermacht, Red Army was best equiped and existed in high numbers in personel, guns and other war material. That was the source of USSR people suffering. Guns before welfare of nation. Before war Red Army use over 20000 tanks, Wermacht around 3000. Then tell me who were prepered to war better? About Cold War, you know if USA and UK want invade USSR in 1945 they can do it. With atomic bomb they can whipe out Red Army. The main reson that Cold War started is Stalin's doings in Poland, Chehoslovakia, Hungary and Romania. Creating communist dictatorship in this countries, when Stalin claim that is what population of this countries want, what was a lie. You also claim that USA and UK were responsiable for crimes against humanity. Yes they were, but even in this countries people in knew about it and can critisize it. Force leaders to change this policy. In USSR that was impossiable and communist are responsiable for milions of deaths. Even Hitler with his policy can't beat Stalin and Mao in cruelty and body count.
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  27.  @lukebruce5234  Mass graves of soviet CZEKA/NKVD victims in whole USSR are not evidence? Thousends people buried in mass graves uncovered in 1990s are not evidence of genocide in USRS? Stories from citizens of USSR about Great Purge, Holodomor, Gulags that aren't enough evodence? Testimony of NKVD executors tell that they just follow orders and kill enemy of communism? Reports written by the same communist govermental structures that is not enough?
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  28.  @lukebruce5234  Here you got some documents and videos that disprove bigger part of your claims: 1) Stalins order to kill polish POW: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre#/media/File:Katyn_-_decision_of_massacre_p1.jpg 2)Secret part of Ribbentrop-Molotov Pact: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact#/media/File:Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact_(German_copy).gif 3) "Bukovsky Archivum" with documents that cover whole spectrum of soviet crimes and actions (with photocopy of originals): https://bukovsky-archive.com/yulia-zaks-1937-2014/the-archive/ 4) Similar in content "Mitrokhin Archive", but more concetrated on NKVD/KGB actions: https://digitalarchive.wilsoncenter.org/collection/52/Mitrokhin-Archive 5) Video from parade in polish city of Brześ 29. IX.1939. Red Army parade together with Wermacht/ https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tWytCog-jjA 6)Yezov order nr 00485, starting genocide of polish polpulation in USSR in 1937: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/NKVD_Order_No._00485#/media/File:NKVD_Order_No._00485_-_Kharkov_copy_(2).jpg Need more or you still will claim that is no evidence of communist terror?
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  29.  @lukebruce5234  If you claim that 100 miliions people or more (which are victimes of communism, also calculated in WW2 casualities) is less than 70 milions dead in WW2 (which not every victime was done by nazi) your math needs checking. Some sources, if you still claim i lie: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mass_killings_under_communist_regimes http://www.hup.harvard.edu/catalog.php?content=reviews&isbn=9780674076082 https://www.victimsofcommunism.org/witnessblog/2018/6/11/telling-the-truth-about-communism You can claim that is not real, all propaganda. But there are to many official soviet documents supporting that claims, also you will claim that is falsefied propaganda. Then we can just ask what happen whit millions of people that not die in WW2 but "disappear" from USSR. Soviet population fall drasticlly under Lenin and Stalin's rule. Because in 1920-30s communist not even hide killing of enemies but they proude annouce that as a "resocialization" and building "new soviet human". You wrote about fate of kulaks, whitout say what that mean. Because that was targeted genocide of whole klass of people.
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  30.  @lukebruce5234  You still using soviet propaganda data. No one really know how much people live in Soviet Union before 1941, no real data cover it only official soviet lies. After WW2 soviet propaganda change numbers of soviet victims. From first claims made by Stalin that was under 10 mln, to Gorbatshovs nealy 30 mln. This is one of way hidding real numbers of victims of Stalin's repression. And still from globall 70 milions of victims of WW2 only part of it is nazi victims. Stalin before WW2 killed millions of soviet citizens. In WW2 many of victims are made by soviet regime. The sam happen with many nations after Soviets capture east and middle european countries. Maybe you will wrote how Stalin treat POW returning from german camps. He send them to gulags as a traitors! You still try blame kulaks and do not understand that they were treaten like Jews in III Reich. And clerly I said that STALIN AND OTHER COMMUNIST LEADRES KILL MORE PEOPLE THEN HITLER! THAT NOT MEAN I JUSTIFIED HITLER, THAT ONLY MEAN THAT COMMUNISM IS LIKE NAZISM AND FACISM A EVIL. Also communist in Chehoslovakia never get close to real power without terror and falsifiing in 1948 elections. Before thay they just play a part of democratic system. They kill or arrest oponenst and grab power in army and seciurity forces. Like in other countries controlled by Stalin. Pleas do not lie about democratic elections under the communist gun. In Poland communist lose election but they change the scores that it was showing that they win. The same happen under soviet guns in East German. You also do not understand what is freedom. People in democratic countries are much more free whitout "owning factories" that you claim. If USA as you claim done genocide of Indians, then what Russian and USSR did in Crimea, Chechnya and other many places with orginal population living there. You should also call that genocide, but i will call thay conquest by war and colonisation. And you should remember that Indians also commit many atrocieties against eachother and european settlers. And 90% of indian population in botth Americas die on desises thay came with Europeans. You can't even proff that TIK was wrong about Gulags. Now is see that you are communist appologist. No data and no facts will change your view on communism. You will still claim that kulaks produce famine in Ukraine and rest is 'cold war prooaganda". Thanks to reality communism killed itself. In next centuries no on will buy lies because each year we got more evidence how bad was under communism. Even China are not communist. Legacy of communism are just lies and pule of bodied. Nothinh more.
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  31.  @lukebruce5234  "I am using estimates which are supported by modern day history. Show alternative data or prove historians really have no clue about the population as you claim. Otherwise what you are saying is just a cop out and a rejection of real data." Some as you claim false source of my information: https://web.usd475.org/school/jchs/staff/garvey/SitePages/How%20Many%20People%20did%20Joseph%20Stalin%20Kill.aspx https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Excess_mortality_in_the_Soviet_Union_under_Joseph_Stalin Need more? Numbers from yours to even higher than 2 mln. You just assume that TIK lose, but you can't undesratnd that you give real data. To many sources kill your claim. "Stalin claimed he victimized people. When? Where? Also what does it matter what the non-historian Western puppet Gorbachev said when we have got historians and statistical data?" Nope, wrong asumption on your side. Stalin claim much lower number of soviet victims in WW2 than Gorbatshev. Victims of german invasion! And Hitler start war with help of Stalin! "Yeah around 40 million or so that died in Europe" Still not all of then were just Hitler's victimes, some of them were Stalin's too. Historians still are not sure who as a leader kill more. But communism killed much more than fasism. "1946 - the communist party won the free parliamentary elections. " Not really, they get 114 from 300 seats in Chehoslovakian parliament. They need other in coalition to rule. Not like they rule alone. Even when biggest pre-war party was ruled out from this elections in 1946. That is not democratic and free election. Communist need coup in 1948 to get power. That give any backing to your claim that they were so popular to get power whitout terror. "So far you have shown 0 data. I on the other hand quote real historians and primary data." Look up, maybe you will see them! Or try read other sources than only official soviet. "If USA as you claim done genocide of Indians, So you are denying it right? then what Russian and USSR did in Crimea, Chechnya and other many places with orginal population living there. The population was moved further from the front as it was pro-Nazi. Not a genocide. " Wow. I mean all russian conquest of this places.Because if american indians fall under genocide, that mean Russian Empire, USSR and todays Russia comitt also mass murders in that conquest. And you blaim people for beeing pro-Nazi, yes that was real reson of mass deprtation in XIX and in XX century before and long after WW2 (sarcasm) In reality both historic events are just story of brutal frontier wars! For your information things done by hispanic and portugal conquerers were much brutal than american conquest of West. And yes high numbers of populations of South America also died out from desisess. Problem is that genocide wasn't in any way used to fight with Indnians. There were brutal actions, but in real numbers that wasn't genocide. Indians were just pushed by much larger and better organise wave of european colonisation. Yes land was taken from them, but even in the worst years of colonisation genocide wasn't a fact. Only some ideological claims are based on it, not real estimates. And population of South American Indians was much higher in numbers than Northen American Indians. "So far it's been the opposite. They used to say Stalin killed 60 million, then 40, then 20 and now Timothy Snyder, the chief anti-Russian propagandist came up with 6 to 9 million. " That mean you belive Snyder when he wrote something good about USSR? Or he is still in wrong? Because not only Snyder accuse communist of genocide. There is many well documented publications about real sclae of soviet crimes. I give you many diverse sources but you still lie that they not real one. Not my fault that you had dilussions. You still do not repeat nothing about KATYN (probably you will claim that was Germans) Then here you have source: https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Katyn_massacre Next is secret part of Ribbentrop-Maolotov Pact, part that kill all claims about neutrality of USSR in first years of war. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact I can do it all the time. You have you "sources" i can give you counter. Readers can check both of us. I'm sure about my sources.
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  32.  @maximkretsch7134  Eh Soviets never hide their eager push to connect with German communists and pushing communist revolutions arround the Europe. And fights started because Soviets pushed West after reating German Army.
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  33.  @colder5465  Funny thing that Poland did not strike Bolsheviks when they were most open for attack? Russian Whites even accused Polse of supporting Bolsheviks by non-actions. Not mention that Lenin made claime that nations have right to slef-determination. As he show later he understand that by only be self-determination when they would be ruled by communists serving Lenin's as ruler.
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  34. I hope when you will talk about Enigma you will also point role of Poles in breaking the code. In first place a major role of three mathematicians: Marian Rejewski, Henryk Zygalski and Jerzy Różycki . There is superb Drachinifel's video about that: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rekaj8bBWiU
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  35. Deepest condolences for your loss. We will wait for your return. Take as much time as you need.
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  36.  @nicolasheung441  I agree, but your first comment that way was just aa half of picture. Nothing personal in this, just in reality T-26 was in 1941 much better tank than people say.
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  37.  @nicolasheung441  Lesser known tank, T-50 was designed as a replacment for T-26 family. It was basicly smallest brother of T-34 with 45 mm canon. But too small numbers were provided before Barbarossa. After that line T-60/70 was created as a stop gap to replace all soviet tanks, even T-34 and KV. In 1942 this line was main soviet production, cheap, small, not that effective and only in late 1942, T-34 and KV production was enough to replace this family ob front. T-60/70 was not great tank, in many ways worse than T-26.
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  38.  @SaulKopfenjager  That is simple example how Soviets were planning modermisation of tank force. T-50 replace T-26, T-34 was replacment for BT series and KV was as you put for new generation of heavier types. This evolution was even seen in development of T-34, when it get lot of complains at strat and there was project to replace it with never modification called T-34M other known as A-43. Model with new suspention, turret and other changes. But Barbarossa came and tottaly destroy this plans. Reason why T-50 wasn't produce in greate number is that T-34 was more effective at basicly the same price.
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  39.  @nottoday3817  KV in any way in 1940-41 was stop-gap. In this time that was most powerfull heavy tank in the world. No tank before was so modern in conception and in design. Yes tank was problematic in production and expencive. Had some technical problem, but that is a nature of heavy tanks, that is why they now belong to past. KV series was analyzed by Soviets and evolved into IS hevy tank series. And expirience fromT-34 evolve in T-44, which give line T-54/55. In this case Panther was dead end, Leopard 1 was tottaly different conception and construction.
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  40.  @nottoday3817  B1 and Char 2 C were no real treat for KV tanks. Only problems with KV was it's high production cost and technical difficulties with new construction. Also problem with mechanical readiness. But still KV tanks were in this better than any tank in the same time. And over 500 of them were ready in 1941. Hell, even Tiger tanks have more technical problems than KV. And I agre that in most cases soviet intendent effects were no close to reality. That is classical problem of communism. Reality do not work well with it.
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  41.  @nottoday3817  In 1941 there were no competition to KV. Maybe it had some problems, but was best hevy tank before Tigers arrive in greater numbers.
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  42.  @jonathanliberatore3175  My political science cry when you dissmis his view. In definition @TIK is right. Simple and plain, whitout control over all aspects of life NSDAP was just authoritarian (but we know how much it is false), with including of socialist pratice you have totalitarian state. In case of property rights, economy and political system power of party and lider in Third Reich, Italy and USSR was absolute. For your argument you can change socialism to colectivism (in reality is the same form of rejection of individualism, subject that really start in second part of 19th century divide for right and left wing). This three countries were based on ideas of socialism, but from end of WW2 communist propaganda did everything to paint Hitler and Mussolini as a right wing. It is so blunt lie, because if that was true, then how USSR nearly became a member of Pact of Steel. Because that was reason why Molotov travel so many times to Berlin before Barbarossa. Maybe you gonna claim that is also falsification.
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  43.  @jonhart7630  Poland in 1980's was a bancrupt. Because communist and socialist economy don't work. How much evidence you want, China, USSR, Venezuela. All that countries experiment with socialism and fail. China became capitalist, USSR desintegrate and Venezuela is going to be hell hole.
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  44.  @moskit76  Any proof of you claims about Katyń dossier? Or you will just post random coments?
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  45. Wow? Then whole Soviet-German military cooperation done from 1920's was aim in first place against Poland? Soviet official stance that they support revolution against any government if it is communist revolution! Or that the in 1932 USSR and Poland sign Anty-aggression Pact in fact the same as a signed by Poland and Third Reich in 1934. And both of them had no secret protocols! And claiming that Poland was semi-fashist state is cute in comparision to Soviet Russia murdering in millions own citizens, as claiming that they were liberated......
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  46.  @alexatlantov4569  1) It is just evidence that Germany never rejected war against neirbours. Any peace offering was just way to missled them. Just like USSR. Officialy interested in peace, but in reality building army to invade independent neirbours. Poland did not invade Russia in 1918-21. That was war on Ukraine and Bielarus. Soviet Russia give itself right to decide in name of this nations, never asking them about that. Soviets even created Polish Revoultionary Committe in 1920 as a Soviet junta for Poland. And if Pilsudski want to destroy Lenin's regime he would help Denikin in his offensive. But for Poles both Red and Whites were enemies, because both of them weren't interested in letting Poles to create independent Poland. Stalin prove that crushing Polish indepence after WW2. Soviets give enough evidence of their imperialism to not trust them. 2)There is enough evidence. Holomodor. Mass graves of Polish Officers in Katyn, Miednoye and other places.Massive deportations against whole nations before WW2 and after it! Great Purge... It is sad when in one sentence Red Army is named weak because Greate Purge, when in second sentence some claim that there was no Purge.. Trotsky killed himself whit hammer in Mexico?
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  47.  @lukebruce5234  So that mean that Hitler with less then with 3000 tanks was able to be biggest treat for peace in Europe. When Red Army with over 20000 was just self-defence force? Stalin spend years starving and murdering his own subjects, only to create military-industrial complex. Not for benefit of workres and farmers, but for communist military expansion. Next thing, if Sovets were so wise to preper to fight Hitler before he came to power what happened 22 June 1941? Also you forget to write that Soviets help Germans to rebuild army in secret, nice way to keep peace, by helping to train personel and build equipment for future Wermacht. Whitout that help Germans wouldn't been ready to buil Paznerwaffe and Luftwaffe so fast. Stalin was so ready to defend peace that he help Hitler start war. You really belive in that? All that claims about " defend against the upcoming world war that everybody knew was coming." is old soviet propaganda from ironicly named newspaper "Правда"/Truth, which basickly date was true, rest are just a bunch of lies.
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  48.  @lukebruce5234  I love that half-truths. "It's not the number that matters the most. The majority of the Soviet tanks were weak, cheap and outdated." T-26, BT-5/7 were quite good. That types were usefull even against Pz III and IV. That was core of USSR tank force. But biggest lie is about that you didn't mention that in 1941 Soviets use over 1000 tanks like KV-1 and T-34 that outmatched any Panzer. Then anything in your claim is close to truth. "Also the Soviet Union was outspent by the Germans and also the British" And again half-truth. Soviets spend years to build Red Army. Bigger portion of GDP was spend on industralisation and Red Army. Only Third Reich came close to percentage in GDP to USSR in peace time. In wartime other countries just overspend USSR because soviet economy was samller than UK or USA. In plain numbers you are right, but in economical terms you lie. Soviet economy was in many ways different. Slave labor, central planning and many non-existing in other countries feuters. https://journals.openedition.org/monderusse/8612 https://www.hoover.org/sites/default/files/uploads/documents/0817939423_189.pdf Then you again lie. "Also you forget the fact the Soviets tried to ally with the West against Germany." Again only half of facts. Stalin demand that his army will based in Poland, what in context of Baltic States in 1940 we can understand that Stalin basicly demand Poland as a prize for war with Germany. Typical for Stalin imperialism. When he didn't get what he want, he turn to Hitler. Because Stalin propose Hitler non-aggression pact, Hitler was happy when he get this gift. Whitout that Hitler can't start a war. We know today what Stalin get for his help. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact Stalin as a defender of peace. " It's an old shitty talking point to claim that nobody expected the war to come." Little problem with that line. Only USSR was real treat fo peace before Germany rebuild military power in late 1930's. No other country in Europe invest so much in military. Europe nations know that and that way Hitler's rearming plans wasn't opposed so much. With animosity between nasizm and communism noone see that Stalin and Hitler will became closest allies. Stalin was close to join axis, but Hitler never would give USSR what Stalin demand.   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German%E2%80%93Soviet_Axis_talks
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  49.  @lukebruce5234  Your distortion of history basicly ends discussions with you. Settle only the biggest ones. In one sentence you show that Soviets were preparing to war. Industralisation and militarisation were by you done for that. In second you claim that soviet tanks were obselete, soviet army was unprepered and other excuses. Then what is your stance. Both statments they break each other. I think you sholud read some works of Mark Solonin. Because he destroy each of yours claims and statistic. Historian which usage primary sources. Not soviet propaganda. http://www.solonin.org/en Polish-German Non-aggresion Pact it is nothing more than a name similar to the Ribbentropp-Molotov Pact. Simple example. This pact in any way targeted like Soviet-German Pact third parties. Secret part of Ribbentropp-Molotov Pact determined the division of Europe between Hitler and Stalin. Also Poland reject earlier any suggestion to invade USSR with Hitler. Still Stalin prefer to help Hitler. Facts from your perspective don't work. "Nobody denies the existence of the Molotov-Ribbentrop pact. It was basically a Soviet version of the Polish-German pact of 1934 with one major difference, the Poles were the ones to sign it as soon as Hitler come into office, the Soviets on the other hand did it last out of desperation after all the other powers refused to cooperate." Today no one is denying, but then that was present whitout mention about secret protocol. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact "Fact is that Poland massacred ethnic German civilians after the invasion by Hitler. ................................................................................ Fact is that after the war ended the Poles started a genocide of Germans which ended up in the deaths of 400,000 German civilians....." It was neither genocide nor ethnic cleansing. No one killed ethnic Germans in mass in 1939, that is Joseph Goebbels lie. After war no one kill 400,000 Germans in Poland. Remember that in 1945 Poland was under Red Army control and exist puppet communist regime created by Stalin. You basicly accuse Stalin of ethnic cleansing. I agree that was his plan, but your number aren't true. Postadam conference basicly force Germans from this teritories.That was decision of USA, USSR and UK, no one ask Poles about that. "Fact is that the Poles did engage in mass murder of the Jews themselves: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jedwabne_pogrom https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kielce_pogrom" Jedwabne is fact, in Poland we understand that there were some Poles that kill Jew. But there were no mass killing Jews by Poles. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polish_Righteous_Among_the_Nations That was even commented by German government, which reject any claims that polish citizens help in mass in Holocaust. Germans politican and historians challenged this narration and state that no polish mass movment help Germans in Holocaust. Nazi official were disapointed that Poles don't want help them in extermination. That dosen't mean that ther were no collaborators. Polish government ib exile as a first inform about Holocaust and documented that genocide, because Jews were also polish citizens. Also Kilece Pogrom was done under the rule of communist puppet government after the WW2. Soldiers of communist army and secret police members take active participation in this. You basicly show that polish communists take part in tis action. Thanks for helping me to sow how evil was communism. "And to this day Poland is the shame of Europe with their bigotry and racism and their pathetic laws making it illegal to say the Polish supported the holocaust." Strong words from someone that probaly never been in Poland. Yes we have racist and bigots, like everywhere. Law which you point it was written badly and was designed that block usage of term "polish concetration/death camps" in contex of Holocaust. This law in reality dosen't work. In the same time in Russia people are send to prison if you state that Hitler with Stalin starts WW2. When in Poland no one land in prison for historic comments.
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  50.  @onsholo  How you can like them if they basicly stole whole privat property? Also bolsheviks from start send money and weapons to start revolution in whole Europe. Do you even know how aggresive was camping in UK after the WW1 to use trade unions to start revolution? In any way on ideology and practice Soviet Russia and USSR was peacefull state. Whitout Stalin's military and material help war for Third Reich would end in 1940, with no international trade and no strategic reservs.
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