Comments by "Horatio82" (@horatio8213) on "TIKhistory" channel.

  1.  @RussianThunderrr  This tankkers were from occupation forces from Japan. No real treaning in tank combat. Ammunition was taken from storage whitout any testing it!
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  2.  @RussianThunderrr  Ask soviet general who use that quote. About, CAMD RF 38-11377-129 I wrote to you that I read it in paper! Probem with understanding! This report is mention in many articules in military press, that is signature of soviet report from test trials of Tiger II. Look on books, not every document you can find in internet.
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  3.  @RussianThunderrr  Turret in Pz IV G was still 50 mm thick, only part of G version get 30 mm aditional armor plate on hull. That mean that hull have 80 mm thickness, but not as one plate! That mean that it was substancial worse than single plate!
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  4.  @RussianThunderrr  That not mean anything! That is just scope view. That not is information about ammo used in that battle! To use new shells crewmans use manulas or special plates mounted inside tank. Plus that is just visualisation, if you put faith in that I don't know why I read your's opinion.
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  5.  @RussianThunderrr  You ask me from where i take information about performance of F-34 on trails. I give you anwser and you claim that I was talking about M3! Not even close!
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  6.  @RussianThunderrr  Do i wrote that Pz III N was use as a tank destroyer. NO! I wrote that Kwk 37 7.5 L/24 with HEAT could penetrate frontal armor of T-34. You again claim something I never wrote!
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  7.  @RussianThunderrr  Like that, frontal plate of T-34 in theory thanks to slope is effective like 90mm armor. That is weaken by driver hatch and mg mout. Plus M72 and M61 shells can penetrate 100 mm RHA plate. Next in T34/76 turret depend of version was protected worse than hull. Also under the main gun mantlet, between turret and hull was big surface that was easy to penetrate even from big distances. Surface that was prone to catch ricochet. That I am very sceptical that M3 can't penetrate from under 200 m hull of T-34.
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  8.  @RussianThunderrr  Then I can tell you, both models L11 and F-32 were used basicly in T-34 produced and used in 1940/41. I wrote about F-34 gun and I myself wrote about my mistake. You even didn't notice that! My msiatake was just bad writing not mean that I don't see difference between L/11 and F-34!
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  9.  @RussianThunderrr  Yes, but it is case of usage of equipment that you have because you don't have nothing better. 7.5 cm L/24 was use because it was gun that fit to turret Pz III. The same was using T-34/76 against Tigers and Panthers. StuG III in any way was build to fight as a TD but Germans use it like that.
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  10.  @RussianThunderrr It looks like when numbers from reports contrradict your claim, report are not valid. You have source from russian officer from tank branch. He wrote what he wrote. You now claim that you know that he was wrong because you knew better? This letter show which vices of T-34 were to change. Even if speed were overated, Pz III in trails show that in many fields were better than T-34. That was main conclusion! It really looks like you never will aprove arguments and documents that are not in you favor. Then sources are valid only when you claim they are? Sorry but real science work in different way. Americans and British, Germans and Soviets made similar assumption in trails. But some other soviet report claim something else. Which source I should belive? When everybody write about weak transmision and bad gearbox, only some soviet documents state that was superb product. Then who is lying, who done proper study? I made my mistakes and I admit to them.
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  11.  @RussianThunderrr  Not every Pz IV Aufs. G get additional hull plate. Also turret was still with 50 mm plate. Even with addition plate, turret was prone to penetration from M3 with M72 shell. That is 50 mm vertical plate! https://ww2-weapons.com/panzer-iv-g/ You again use half truth. Only some part of G version was with that additional plate from start. There is some difference in estimation, but today it looks like that was about 50% of this tank came from factory with this plate. Later Germans could mout that plate in field repair units. That is always problem with field modifications. Life is not computer games as you wrote some time ago.
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  12.  @RussianThunderrr  That video is total CGI. Only thing that was real was this veteran tanker. Rest were just asumptions of Discovery Channel. Not the best source for real historic data.
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  13.  Dwarov 1  "The USA also recieved a lot of equipment and resources from the USSR" What equipment? Name one. Because any soviet production was enough to cover Red Army needs. Some resources maybe (but i never get any real information about soviet resources going to UK or USA), but nothing what USA can't replace. Soviets were depleted by war and even Stalin knew that and do everything to do not start new war before USSR will have own atomic weapons. Soviet airforce and navy can't counter USA and UK forces. No real air defence was existing in Red Army and USA outclass soviet airforces. How in that case Soviets can win war with USA? When basicly they were hated in any new territory they take, nobody in mass support communism in Poland, Romania, Bulgaria or Hungary.
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  14.  Dwarov 1  Soviet air defence was uneffective on tactical, operational and strategic levels. No net of radars, no real effective command structure and modern equipment. Only weakness of Luftwaffe protect soviet industry from german bombs. Tacticaly Red Army AA was very poor, no real cover against Luftwaffe was created. Germans in 1945 were still using Ju 87 against Red Army, plane that in 1940 was easly shoot down by RAF. Any soviet land system was in any way to be compared with USA or UK mobile AA weapons. How many effective AA guns was in Red Army in comparision to US Army or British Army, how many of them were mobile systems like american M16 or british Cruseder AA? Redc Army have only trucks with nothing bigger than light automatic cannons, easy to destroy and not ready to operate in terrain outside of roads. In fightercraft allied were producing much more better planes that could fight on higher altitiude than any soviet planes in 1945. Only IL-2 and IL-10 planes were produced in USSR, other models were imported from USA like A-20, B-25. Rest of soviet medium bombers were obselete and there were no soviet modern medium or strategic bombers. Americans were developing models of bombers like B-36 that could flight deep into USSR airspace and drop A-bombs wherever they need to use them. Soviets didn't have A-bomb or even bombers like that. Soviets with help of allies produce little over 50% of USA production of planes, not mention of UK production. USA produce 300 000 to 158 00 soviet produced. Also how many planes have USA and UK in comaprision to USSR? How many carriers, crusiers and battleships were in navys of USA and UK aganist nonexisting soviet fleet? USA and UK do not need rebuilding from German occupation, USSR need. Also in case of war USSR can't invade UK and USA. In second direction that was possiable. If Germans were so close to beat USSR alone, how that would play if USA and UK re-arm them to fight and provide resources and support? Plus when USA and UK produce domestic jet planes in hundreds, Soviet need years to copy german technology. What was engine in MiG-15? Because I think that was soviet copy of Rolls-Royce jet engine.
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  15.  Dwarov 1  "The USSR was producing more food than all of the allies combined even in 1942." In what world you live? Even before war USSR can't produce enough food to fed itself and sell food outside. Without food from USA and UK USSR was starving in 1941 and 1942. USA na whole British Empire outproduce USSR in any cathegory.
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  16.  Dwarov 1  You are basicly living in world of communist propaganda. In 1945 combined airforces of USA and UK out number soviet airforces. In quality of equipment US and UK beat USSR. Only soviet figters were quite good, but USRR did not have any long range fighter. In tanks and firearm both sides produce good weapons. But stil USA and UK can produce more tank, planes and other weapons. Soviet Navy basicly can only use few submarines and I don't belive that they would be better than hundreds of Uboots. In case of resources you wrote about few minerals, when USA and UK provide much more to USSR that USSR send them. And claim that UK stare is just a dark humor in comparision to conditions in USSR. Also you wrote "effective soviet AA defence" that was uneffective against small Luftwaffe forces. In fight with US or UK airforces they can't be compare to German AA system. No radars, no central command structures, no effective interceptors. Soviet system in comparision to German was a joke.
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  17.  Dwarov 1  You really should check sources. 158 000 is tottal soviet aircraft production. Allied have model that could operate on many levels of altitiude like some version of Spitfers, Soviets did not produce any modern medium bombers exept Tu-2 and no real strategic bomber like american B-29 or british Lancaster. And soviet YaKs kill more own pilot than enemy. Main problem was too light wing construction, they just fall aparat. That is why soviet air units have so much "unindentified loses". In 1944-45 US and UK produce in large numbers of jet fighter like De Hallivand Comet. Something that USRR do not did for next two years. Not even mention atom bomb. Usage of 2 or 3 against Red Army would cause massive casualities and deplete soviet manpower.
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  18.  Dwarov 1  Also MiG-15 didn't outperform F-86. Level of combat losses were basicly the same. And jet engine in MiG was copy od British engine. About outperforming allied fighter on higher alititude I even can't stop laughing at that claim. Any soviet fighter could compete with Allied fighter over 5000 meters. Spitfire models of later version or contemporary P-51 and P-47 use engines which outperform everything that was in soviet service then. Also your claim about AA Defence in USRR do not have any support in fact. Much weaker Luftwaffe penetrate and hit targets in Moscow and Leningrad without any problems. And both cities were equiped in large AA forces. But this forces were tottaly uneffective. About invasion you should ask Germans and Japaness how they couldn't stop Allied from succsses. Operations Husky, Overlord or Dragoon tell you something? Also in 1945 level of training in Western armies were much better than in Red Army. Also RAF alone won against whole Luftwaffe long before USSR came to WW2. And I think that Red Army was much softer target than you belive.
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  19.  @greenbrickbox3392  Read about antcommunist reaistance in Baltic Countries or in Poland. Greec fought a civil war against communism rebelion. And you want claim that USSR did not use terror to keep control over Eastern Europe? Then what happened in Hungery in 1956 or Czehoslovakia in 1968? And little fun fact, the same day when Red Army liberated Auschwitz Camp, NKVD use it to own terror against Poles.
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  20.  Dwarov 1  And about that garbage Western planes. One of the most popular soviet fighter was P-39 Aircobra made by USA. And one of Best performing soviet bomber was A-20, also made in USA. Even Stalin's own son inform him that Western planed were better produced and equiped than soviet. That is why Yakovlew was kicked from his governmental post. If you want to belive I buy your false data and propaganda claim then dream on. After the USSR fall we could read real documents. Compare them with other sources and as an example your production of planes number are blunt lie.
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  21. When Germans and UK in 1939-1945 use operational radars in well organise AA defence system, USSR use few prototypes or Lend Lease given radars. Moscow and Leningrad air and land defence can't stop Luftwaffe from bombing both cities. Any of German units were hurt by soviet defence. Germans move that units to combat support roles because they don't have enough planes. And if soviet AA system were so good then how the hell Ju-87 Stuka operate against Red Army to 1945? And your lies about production of food in USRR are so stiupid. Also Lend Lease in case od food was more than as you claim. Also your claim about soviet industrial output are taken from propaganda not from facts.
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  22.  Dwarov 1  USA provide 1.75 milion tons of of food to USSR. Not like you claim. Next, if in 1943 Soviet air forces destroy Luftwaffe, who massacre whole Red Army Tank Corp from air.in 1943? Fairies or Luftwaffe. Also number of AA guns do not mean that there were use with good effect. In 1941 Red Army had over 20000 tanks against less than 4000 german tanks. And who was winnig tank battle in 1941? Have you heard about Dubno tank battle that Red Army lost?
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  23.  @greenbrickbox3392  Whitout soviet and yugoslavian help greece communism never would get so much equipment. Communists try captured power in Greece by force and they lose because Stalin stop helping them and that cause split with Tito, ho treat that as a betrayal of communism.
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  24.  @greenbrickbox3392  Without support of Stalin communist in Greec would fall much faster, he just afraid a WW3, that he take back his support. Government of exile was no German colaborator and was supported by USA and UK, also was still reconissed by USSR as a legal government of Greece. You basicly use only soviet point of view. Poland or East Germany, Romania, Bulgaria and Hungary became communist only because they were occuipied by Red Army. After few days beeing liberators Red Army fast became a occiupier. Without that any communist government could exist there longer than few months. Even in pro-soviet Chehoslovakia were push to communism by terror. I just can wait for TIK making video about that.
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  25.  Dwarov 1  "The USSR recieved 4000 tons of food in ww2" is 50% one Liberty ship payload. Use brain and rethink that. Half of ship! "LOL is 1941 youe best example xD. HAHAHA, you do realise that the USSR was completely overwhelmed, right?" Overhelmed, why? Because own incompetence and Stalin mistakes. How many planes were in WWS and in Axis forces? 3000 in axis airforces and over 18000 in WWS. Still to basicly 1945 Luftwaffe operate on Eastern front. WWS only overhelmed axis forces after late 1943. Still in 1945 Germans could operate without any big obstacle from WWS in day when of West front that would be suicide for them. And Soviets were full mobilizated against Germans in 5 to 3 ratio in soldier numbers and much more in other cases like tanks, planes or field guns. At Dubno 1941 battle Red Army lose more tanks then Wermacht use at start of Barbarossa. "You also oversestimate german CAS which in most cases bombed it's own men." https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=cpRvCwAAQBAJ&pg=PT35&lpg=PT35&dq=how+luftwaffe+stops+soviet+tank+corp+in+1943&source=bl&ots=RKeuQM8ATO&sig=ACfU3U023TfsFUkOpBQk3yi4M83cxuR78Q&hl=pl&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjD74_QmNjmAhUTsXEKHX8QBggQ6AEwEnoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=how%20luftwaffe%20stops%20soviet%20tank%20corp%20in%201943&f=false You downplay Luftwaffe and overestimate WWS effectivness. I think you should read more than soviet authors. I suggest Mark Solonin, he wrote many well sourced books about what was main reasons of soviet airforce weak performance in WW2. Much more russian historians today with documentation from archives changing official narrative about WW2. Soviet AA defence never shoot down 78% planes over Moscow, that is just absurd. Losesse like that wolud mean that Luftwaffe in 1941 would just dissapear. Years 1942 and 1943 in air prove you are in deep denail. Any numbers you provied are laughable. Performance of war planes, numbers of production are basicly in contrradiction with your claims. You just put some claim without any real numbers. Simple debunk is just send you to data about war production in WW2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_production_during_World_War_II But if you want live in soviet propaganda bubble do as you want.
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  26.  Dwarov 1  "The soviet pilots described allied planes as hatd to control, poorly armed and not manouverable enough. " Stalin son you wrote that died was from his first marriage and he was arttilery officer. Second Stalin's son was general of airforce and he criticise soviet planes in comparision to western quality of planes. Alexander Pokryshkin a one of greatest soviet fighter aces hate soviet fighter plane and he prefer western planes. Why? Because he love them for agilty, maneuverabilit, speed, firepowere and quality of production. If you forgott F-86 was also armed in other versions in 4x20 mm canons. You basicly use downplay western planes hidding soviet weakness. And in many qualities was better than MiG-15. "The allied did not even have a cycling system which meant that all allied soldiers were poorly trained conscripts while the red army was pulling men from their trained reserves who finished their BCT (which was 3 months long) and already had 2 years of service behind them." Hahahaha you basicly do not know nothing about reality of soviet WW2 standards. Meat grinder eat Red Army human resources because soviet command do not count with own soldiers life. Just compare soviet loses in men and equipment in years 1941-45 with German loses and stop making fool from yourslef. You wrote about Uranus, then also you should mention Operation Mars which was Zukhov execiuted massacer on Central Front. Uranus was decoy, Zukhov with larger forces fail in destroying Army Group Center, but you don't mention that. And after Kursk Soviets fought bloody campaings with Germans to win. You rewrite history. No one take soviet victories from them, but you have to put them in WW2 perspective not propaganda "facts". Soviets were responisable for destroying Wermacht on Eastern Front, but Luftwaffe and Kriegsmarine was smashed by USA and UK airforces long before Soviet reach Germany. "What about the soviet raids on Bucharest, Königsberg or Berlin? In fact, the soviet raids on Königsberg resulted in the destruction of 91% of the city." Heh again half truths, Königsberg was destroyed by siege and soviet artillery, also RAF take part in raids on city. Berlin was leveled by RAF and USA airforce. Soviets send few planes that is not even anyway to compared of effects of western allied work. You just prove again and again that you spread soviet propaganda nonsense.
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  27.  @greenbrickbox3392  They don't beat this collaboratos alone and most of communist targets were in any way connected to collaboration with Germans. They were targeted because they were obstacle in communist road to power in Greece. And communist would be irrelevant without soviet support.
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  28.  Dwarov 1  "The USSR had 148k tanks in ww2. The allies combined had 106k tanks." USSR did not produced 148k tanks, that is number used by USSR tanks and 75% of them were lost in fight. About statements: "The USSR had slightly more planes in ww2 than all of the allies combined. The soviet fighters had a higher range than allied fighters and they did have long range fighters. " Numbers do noty agree with you. What long fighter compared to P-51 and P-47 WWS used? Response is none. In many ways soviet planes were good but in any way superior to WW2 allied warplanes. And Pe-2 was much worse bomber than A-20 or B-25 and A-26. Fast check of characteristic and arrament debunk your "soviet superiority" myth. "Literally the entire US navy was built out of soviet chromium." "LMAO you are flexing with the useless US navy which was built by soviet resources XD. " USA have other sources of minerals than USSR. Shipbuilding was independent from USSR resources and manpower. And this usless american and brithis navies smash opposition. Soviet naval forces were closed by blockades in ports and in most part sunk. And Stalin to fight West need navy, that he with German cooperation want build oceanic fleet. Ships were in building in 1941. Read about planned expansion of Red Fleet before again you make fool from yourself. "Partially because the USSR had Radar while the germans did not. You can't even name examples for your bullshit." Germans use in mass radars on any front. Red Army do not use radars to control AA fire, Luftwaffe did. Domestic soviet radars were poor quality and only Lend Lease eqiupment change that. Even then soviet can't effectvly cover front lines by net of radars. Also soviet command structre was tragic, WSS can't suppresse Luftwaffe even in 1945. First true soviet night fighter with radar was A-20! Germans use effectivly radar on nightfigters from 1942! UK na Germany build well integrated command and control structures for AA defence and they never get you "78%" efficency. Soviets did not have radars, command structure and level of numbers in artilery and planes to achive even close results in air defence. Even North Vietnam with guaided missiles never go that far with AA defence efficency. Even Japan in the end of WW2 build better AA system than USSR. On front soviet fighters have problems with cooperation with land forces. Many times WWS done "empty flights" when Luftwaffe in the same time bombs Red Army on ground. Nubers of WSS do not guaranteed succses in suppresion of German forces.
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  29.  Dwarov 1  "The Luftwaffe did not massarce shit. It was the Red Airforce which wiped the floor with the german army. " Yeah classic examples of Luftwaffe doing nothing. https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=cpRvCwAAQBAJ&pg=PT35&lpg=PT35&dq=how+luftwaffe+stops+soviet+tank+corp+in+1943&source=bl&ots=RKeuQM8ATO&sig=ACfU3U023TfsFUkOpBQk3yi4M83cxuR78Q&hl=pl&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjD74_QmNjmAhUTsXEKHX8QBggQ6AEwEnoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=how%20luftwaffe%20stops%20soviet%20tank%20corp%20in%201943&f=false https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Breslau https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Gorky_in_World_War_II There is so many examples how soviet AA was tottaly uneffective against Luftwaffe. And your claims about technical superiority on soviet side is so funny.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freya_radar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Luftwaffe_and_Kriegsmarine_Radar_Equipment_of_World_War_II In field of radar USSR place long after Germans and UK/USA. And net of AA was in any way ready to stop Luftwaffe raids. Then how you claim that could stop hundreds of strategic bombers? No AA guns with modern fire control systems, no real interceptor, long range and night fighters. Dream on commrade, dream on.
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  30.  Dwarov 1  Russians lose 11 milions soldiers. 75% tanks they use. They I rather belive soviet war reports that state that numbers than you, which you many times prove that you don't know elementar things. "Stalin's son who was in the airforce was captured and killed in 1941 before the USSR even recieved any western planes." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakov_Dzhugashvili And his son which serve in airforces: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Stalin That mean you know shit about USSR history and even chcek things I wrote. "the soviets completely leveled Königsberg in early 1944 already and so they did with Berlin. " Yeah they leved sicy using artillery not planes. More damage were make by RAF raids than soviet planes. And Berlin was leveled by RAF and USA airforce long before Soviets join them. "The luftwaffe was smashed by the red airforce alone. The Germans lost less than 10% of their planes against the allies." And air campaing over Germany that breake Luftwaffe was done by .....not Red Army. Western Allied destroy most of Luftwaffe and german war production in 1944-45. Do not claim 90% of work on Red Army because that is tottal bullshit. Maybe you will claim that USSR win alone Battle of Atlantic?
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  31.  Dwarov 1  Soviet radar technology and usage was limited. In any case soviet AA system was compared with UK or German AA and airdefence. In 1950's and 1960's USSR build proper defence system. Vietnam got newest radar and missile soviet systems which were use very clever by Vietnamess and for most time USAAF can't attack this targets by political reasons. And you fogett that after that war USA in any war suppress soviet style defence with eas. Last Israeli raid on Syria prove that. I mention Mark Solonin and he states using soviet documentation that Red Army lose 11 mlns of soldiers. That si one of sources that prove that Soviets lose more soldiers than Germans. http://www.solonin.org/en/article_fire-in-the-storehouse And he is just one of many sources. F-86H use 20 mm guns. Not worse in any way to 23 mm soviet guns. Allied produce planes like De Hallivand Comet or Vampire, P-53 Aircomet and P-80 Shooting Star in 1944-45. Soviet prototype jets were produced 2 years later in 1947. Two years in war is colossal difference.  About Königsberg: "Königsberg, the capital of East Prussia, Germany’s easternmost region, was an oasis of peace for much of the second world war. Its destruction has been widely forgotten. From August 26th-27th 1944, the Royal Air Force conducted a bombardment; an even more ruinous raid of carpetbombing followed two days later. In “The Strategic Air Offensive against Germany 1939-1945” (1961), Sir Charles Webster and Noble Frankland observed that incendiary bombs destroyed or seriously damaged 41% of all buildings in the city and 20% of industrial buildings. More than 100,000 people were displaced by the strikes." https://www.economist.com/prospero/2019/08/29/commemorating-the-devastation-of-konigsberg "The red airforce bombed german cities into oblivion even in 1941 while the allies were sitting on their asses doing nothing." To 22nd June of 1941 STalin and Hitler were allies. Only country left fighting Germany was UK, which done quite good job. And comparing WWS strategic forces as even or better than USA nad UK strategic forces is a joke. Stalin in 1945 ask for help to bomb Dresden, because that was impossiable to done by WWS.Soviets alone did not "oblitorate" from air any single german city alone. Soviet strategic bombings were nothing more than propaganda stunts. TIK show in one of his video that Germans do not have enough bombers to conduct strategic bombings. Thye try it with good start in 1941-42 but they never use enough forces. Join USA and UK air forcers would decimate WWS in few months. After that nothing would stop them to bomb day and night land forces to oblivion. Plus even few atomic bomb could put Red Army on knees. "The USSR won the war alone. Learn some history before commenting bullshit." Your bias is visiable and nothing change your lines of prosoviet prejustice. one-on -one Germans with allies and occiupied teritories would just smash USSR in 1942 or 1943. Without Len Lease in 1942 USSR was unable to prologn war. And without Battle of Atlantic Germans could produce twice more tanks and planes. All that oil use in Kriegsmarine could be used in eastern front. Even when I show you don't recognise two different persons and I show you multiply sources that contrradict you, you will still claim your absurds like "4000 tons of food" provide in whole war by Lend Lease. "Yes, the air war was won and conducted by the red airforce. The allies began bombing german extensuvely in late 1944 while the USSR was already fighting in germany." Britsh bombing campaing was constatnt from 1940 to 1945. USA join with own airforce in 1942. Start of strategic bombing in large scale start in 1943 when British and USA send hundred of planes against targets in Germany. Any part of German industry was intact in 1944, at opening of 1945 after strategic bombings done by USA and UK German industry was on last breath. Claims about USSR outproducing USA and UK I just treat as soviet wartime propaganda. USSR was main taker in Lend Lease program. Thousends of tanks and other war material were send to USSR even in 1945. Without this materials soviet army and industry colud collapse in 1942. All major soviet offenssive in 1943-45 was possiable because USA produced trucks and trains. There were not enough train factories and car plants in USSR to replace loses of Red Army from 1941-42. And bullshit about that Red Army wasn't ready to war with Germany put in fairy tales. Material and manpower was in place. Only level of training and command was weak. First months show how weak in this part was Red Army. And Operation Uranus was first , Operation Mars was second in time. Which strike is always a decoy, first or second? Anwser is basicly always the same, if you strike with bigger forces later, the second operation is main one, Mars was not decoy. If you read soviet generals they were suprosed in scale of succsses. But they are silent about Mars for many years. Because that was dissaster caused by Zukhov. Zukhov as a field commader was weak, he didn't plan Uranus or Kursk operations. He just stole this valour from other generals. His commad in Berlin Operation was a shame, in the last days of war he put his soldiers in needless massacre. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mars Rokossovk and Koniev were much better commanders.
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  32.  Dwarov 1  Still this article proves that USSR was far behind Germans and UK/USA in development and production of radars and electronical warfare. Any real AA command and control system that was close to british or german solutions do not exist in USSR. Typical sitation in USSR in this time, lot of prototypes and nothing ready to mass production. Basicly Lend Lease again rescue Soviets because in this field they were far behinde Germans and Allied. And you should also mention that most of soviet fighters use only simple radio recivers. When all german and Allied planes use radio to recive and send informations. That cause that soviet commanders can't use fighters in the same way like German counterparts. Also funny thing, becuase you claim that USSR use more and better radars than Germans, which is not truth.
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  33.  Dwarov 1  IT is fun whe you state first that Germans did not use any radar. And in coment later you put that they do, but later than 1939. Your knowledge about RAF and Luftwaffe development of radars and AA is lacking basic dates and facts. BEFORE 1939 Germans and Brits created basis for system of net radars and air defence. Nothing what was done in USSR in this time was close to command and control system implemented by RAF and Luftwaffe. If soviet system was so effective why Kiev, Mińsk and Sevastopol were bombwd without any problem from 22nd by Germans and Romanians. No real opposition from AA aritllery and air forces.
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  34.  Dwarov 1  Official soviet staatistic in this case are just imagimary. If you claim that Luftwaffe lose 50 in all raids you basicly beat even official soviet sources. Estimates about effectivness of soviet air forces and AA give by USSR are just lies. Any figures are not even close to few precents of Luftwaffe lose in WW2. If take your claim with any knowledge of WW2 WWS shoot down all German planed few times. It is true like hundreds ships sunk by soviet submarines. And Germans use in hundreds radars, also in Eastern front. And your claim about soviet supwriority in radars are basicly reverse of reality.
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  35.  Dwarov 1  You prove noyhnig. 1) You can't even distinct two different sons of Stalin. "Stalin's son who was in the airforce was captured and killed in 1941 before the USSR even recieved any western planes." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakov_Dzhugashvili And his son which serve in airforces: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Stalin That mean you know shit about USSR history and even chcek things I wrote. 2)your claim about scale of Lend Lease is just a joke. @Dwarov 1 "The USSR recieved 4000 tons of food in ww2" is 50% one Liberty ship payload. Use brain and rethink that. Half of ship! 3) You tottaly missrepresent characteristic of planes of fighting armies. Enyone who can read know that you just bluntly lie about soviet superiority in planes and radars. 4)Quote from you " Partially because the USSR had Radar while the germans did not. You can't even name examples for your bullshit." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freya_radar http://www.gyges.dk/Ln%20zbV%202.htm There is much more evidence that Germans outclass WWS in usage of radar and beat shit out of Red Army even when WWS was dominant power in East. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELONuVW4WF0 5)"If the Luftwaffe was so strong than why was completely wiped from the sky in 1943 and lost over 85% of it's planes in the east? Why did it lose over half of it's bombers with each raid and why were all german bombing campaigns failiures." Basicly all informations in this quote are bullshit. Luftwaffe never send 85% (even in Barbarossa they move only part of whole Luftwaffe to attack USSR) planes to Eastern Front. Or Soviets never destroy 85%. or even more than 50% German planes! There are estimates that put German loses on Eastern Front much lower. There is even a fun fact that Germans never put against USSR more than 30% of fighter planes. Also statistic of combat loses show that for every 1 plane lost in East Germans lose 3.4 on West. https://www.quora.com/In-WWII-of-the-44-000-aircraft-lost-by-Germany-on-the-Soviet-German-front-what-accounted-for-90-those-losses Hans-Urlich Rudel is know to you? Or maybe about bombing campaings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovUtqasRuRc Basicly is no sence to disscuse with you because even if we put in front of you data and sources you will claim that Soviets were better in everything. Then how the hell war take 4 years from 1941 to 1945 to win with Germans? And Sevastopol, Kiev and Minsk were bombed many times and in many time "superior soviet AA system" stop them. I left you and your soviet propaganda to simple examination of bulshit you produce.
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  36.  Dwarov 1  Little education about LL planes in WWS and it's role. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLTR8qeTOIs
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  37.  @climberly  Problem is that soviet sources are much more problematic in quality. Germans and western allies also produce some questionable documents. But if you check how many times Soviets contrradict themself you should be very caucious about soviet version. On one side they claim that they weren't ready to fight with Germans, but in other version they were Best in everything. In one version Germans nearly destroy USSR and that cause soviet demands for reparation. But in the same time the same Soviets claim that they outproduce every one in everything. That cause that soviet claims should be treated with big criticism. Take Lend Lease as a example.
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  38.  Dwarov 1  "Reports from the west, NKVD reports, witnesses confirming what I said and basic history is not enough evidence for you?" You mean reports like Burdenko CAomission falsified to blame Germans for Katyn Massacre. Or in other way reports that prove tha NKVD killed this officers? Mass graves with thousends of communist victimes are not evidence that you give numbers are to small. Just some examples of that material evidence. https://meduza.io/en/feature/2018/08/31/a-mass-grave-from-the-soviet-era-resurfaces-as-a-modern-day-russian-political-scandal https://www.dw.com/en/russia-victims-of-stalin-era-purges-unearthed-in-siberia/a-51058957 https://www.sciencespo.fr/mass-violence-war-massacre-resistance/fr/document/kurapaty-1937-1941-nkvd-mass-killings-soviet-belarus.html "Lenin's and Stalin's regime or later responsible for vast improvements in quality of life, soviet mass industrialization, economic boom and the end to the famines and goods shortages of the Russian Empire." Yeah so succesfull that New Economic Policy (NEP) rescue communism for years (1921-28) in Soviet Russia/USSR. But Uncle Joe starve to death millions to made rest a slaves in industrial military power. Nice improvment. You understand that in USSR in Stalin's era worker can't travel or change work without Party decision. Nice paradise, where if you are late three times to work you land in Gulag. Pesant in Star Russia in 1914 had more rights than soviet worker in 1937! And how looks like in reality Gulag you should read biographic book A World Apart: The Journal of a Gulag Survivor by Gustaw Herling-Grudziński. He land ther thx to soviet terror against Poles and barly survive it. Eye witness, not your fantasy. You live in world that USSR didn't failed in 1991? It failed hard on every level.
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  39.  Dwarov 1  I live in 1991 and I remember how dilussion Party members and KGB officers try form a junta to capure power and keep USSR running. But in this time USSR was just zombie keep in life on last legs. Economical bancrupt with republics fighting for freedome from Moscov. Empty shops, protesting population and communist politician that to get power dismantle this corps of fallen empire. Do not make fool from yourself. USSR was disaster for nations living in it. "Yea almost as bad as the Vietnam war massacres causing 3 million civilian deaths https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_war_crimes" And what I do not defend USA for that. But for years USSR lie that Germans killed that Poles, not NKVD. But later archeological diggs and NKVD own documentation proof that they did it for Stalin's and Beria's order. You want to claim that not NKVD killed that Poles? "You mean reports like Burdenko CAomission falsified to blame Germans for Katyn Massacre. Or in other way reports that prove tha NKVD killed this officers?" No, but reports like the Reiter's report which confirmed that citizens in the USSR ate more than in Germany, France or the UK for example "Mass graves with thousends of communist victimes are not evidence that you give numbers are to small. Just some examples of that material evidence. https://meduza.io/en/feature/2018/08/31/a-mass-grave-from-the-soviet-era-resurfaces-as-a-modern-day-russian-political-scandal https://www.dw.com/en/russia-victims-of-stalin-era-purges-unearthed-in-siberia/a-51058957 https://www.sciencespo.fr/mass-violence-war-massacre-resistance/fr/document/kurapaty-1937-1941-nkvd-mass-killings-soviet-belarus.html" "Yeah so succesfull that New Economic Policy (NEP) rescue communism for years (1921-28) in Soviet Russia/USSR." Lmao you mean the same policy which never became active in the USSR and even the proposed period ended in 1922? Fucking idiot xD "But Uncle Joe starve to death millions to made rest a slaves in industrial military power. Nice improvment." Lol, "starved". Yes you are right he starved them to create his beloved child, hevy industry. "That explains the US dustbowl and the imports of soviet food for 7 years xD. Slaves my ass. The USSR had an 8 hour work day. The USA had 12. The USA had state funded minimum wage, pansions and healthcare syste. The USA does not until this day. So much better than the USSR, right xD?" When USSR export food it was done by cost of soviet pesants. Stalin knew that selling that was death sentence for soviet pesants. "You understand that in USSR in Stalin's era worker can't travel or change work without Party decision." Yes you could. My grandfather did not work for the party or government and worked in 4 different cities and under 6 different jobs. Nice try. Did you know that people in the USA could not even afford medical treatment and could not afford to change jobs due to lack of worker's protection laws? They can't do so today except if you work for a government institution." "Nice paradise, where if you are late three times to work you land in Gulag. " HAHAHAH, source xD? Never heard so much bullshit in my life. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gulag" In new law created by Stalin from 12 June 1940 for beeing late to work 3 times you were send to Gulag. In the same time worker was forbiden to change job without Party authorisation. Travel was impossiable without special document which was provided only with Party agreement. Yeah I think that USA was not that bad in comparision to USSR. And level of life standars in USA was always higher than in USSR. Even when leaders of USSR claim that as a fact. Plus 8 hour work day was fiction. Beating norms, cretaing new records that was reality. Try to not agree, Gulag was waiting for you. Not without reason Orwell hated USSR under Stalin rule. "Pesant in Star Russia in 1914 had more rights than soviet worker in 1937!" https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Serfdom https://encyclopedia.1914-1918-online.net/article/labour_movements_trade_unions_and_strikes_russian_empire https://www.ucis.pitt.edu/nceeer/1982-624-11-Madison.pdf" Yes that Tsar system was so horriable that Stalin many times run from prisons and nobody was trying kill Lenin when he was on emigration! We know how Stalin kill his enemies in USSR and outside, like Trotsky or White Army Officers. Pesants could travel and work in cities. With reforms of PM Stolypin Russia was going to be industrial power greater than Germany not later than 1920. War and revolution make it impossiable. "And how looks like in reality Gulag you should read biographic book A World Apart: The Journal of a Gulag Survivor by Gustaw Herling-Grudziński. He land ther thx to soviet terror against Poles and barly survive it. Eye witness, not your fantasy. " He literally confirms what I said and completely debunks your brainwashed US fantasy bs xD. Try reading "The Gulag Archipelego" and you'll see how full of shit you are." You probaly never read this book. It is much more harder accusation than Solzenicyn's books. Gustaw Herling-Grudziński show truth of soviet force labour system and high death ratio in this camps. And he wasn't only one. Many foreginers land in Gulags but survived to wrote about that "paradise on Earth". And official reason why he was arrest were that his last name in russian sounds like Goering and he was by NKVD German spy! Really nice logic. You will spin, lie and made stiupd claims. But fact is that "great USSR" died under absurdal ideology and economics.
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  40.  Dwarov 1  ""Yeah so succesfull that New Economic Policy (NEP) rescue communism for years (1921-28) in Soviet Russia/USSR." Lmao you mean the same policy which never became active in the USSR and even the proposed period ended in 1922? Fucking idiot xD" You are living in alternative reality. NEP was official soviet economical policy in 1921-28 before Stalin's industralization! You are just stiupid or missinform.
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  41.  Dwarov 1  ""And what I do not defend USA for that. But for years USSR lie that Germans killed that Poles, not NKVD. But later archeological diggs and NKVD own documentation proof that they did it for Stalin's and Beria's order. You want to claim that not NKVD killed that Poles? " Literally when did I deny that? You are trying to prove how terrible the USSR was with one single event which killed 22k people. Following your braindead logic, the USA was even worse than the USSR. How do 2 days speak for 69 years of soviet history? The USSR admitted that they did it after Stalin died." Hhahahahaha. USSR admit that that was done by NKVD as early as 1991! Not after Stalin death. Even today there are idiots that claim that was done by Germans! I also lived in the USSR and no such thing ever happened. There was a coup which wanted to return Stalinism to the USSR and prevent Gorbachev's reforms. The people were literally against capitalism. "Economical bancrupt with republics fighting for freedome from Moscow." The USSR's economy kept growing faster than ever and was still on global 2nd place. The other republics were never fighting for independence. Even Ukraine wanted to be part of the USSR. "Empty shops, protesting population and communist politician that to get power dismantle this corps of fallen empire. Do not make fool from yourself. USSR was disaster for nations living in it. " The shops were full. Thats a fact you'll have to live with. Speaking from experience. There were no protests. There was no KGB coup or whatever. Don't make a fool from yourself- The USSR was the best thing that could happened for the nations and the people in it. Let news talk truth to your lies: 1991 in Lithuania: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2mIw-BwaaVk 1989, Baltic States: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kx3N6F-DqxI Moscow 1991, you full shops: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t8LtQhIQ2AE Tallin 1991: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZKVhrzhAI8I Yanayev putsch: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MtNyT7ljPz8 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BjmjoDp1YSo https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Yuc86j7e414 "And official reason why he was arrest were that his last name in russian sounds like Goering and he was by NKVD German spy! Really nice logic." More made up bullshit you can't prove. Also, by the time he got inprisoned, the NKVD did not exist anymore." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/A_World_Apart_(book) Book contain live expirience of author from 1940 to 1942! NKVD was running soviet terror..... ""You will spin, lie and made stiupd claims. But fact is that "great USSR" died under absurdal ideology and economics." LMAO do you even read your own bullshit xD? Fact is that the USSR was doing great in the 80s due to it's combined socialist and capitalist policies and outclassed the west in many categories. Did you know that in the 80s the USSR had elections and a multi-party system? Or is this not mentioned in your US bs propaganda" There were no other parties than communist party. Only so called "independent candidates" could take part, but they have no real power in system. You really knew nothing about history of USSR! Do I need provide more evidence for you lies?
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  42.  @HD-uh7nj  Still the same lie. Weather,, oo communism.. Hole nation terrorized and starved on he gun barrel. Ad strange case that there were np drought or famine in other neiboring coutries. Welsh reporter Gareth Jones smuggle photos and relations about it. There is many more accounts. You can't make it dissapear.
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  43. For consideration: https://www.theguardian.com/world/2000/sep/19/1 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Andr%C3%A1s_Toma
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  44. Oh yes, Russia is never in fault. No communist genocide of nations living in USSR, like Holodomor or 1930's Famine in Kazahstan!
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  45. @Erich Kirk In 1930's Stalin knew thaat Hitler will invade him? Bullshit. Then read about how Red Army with more tanks than all other countries in the world! Once industralization was done, military production was main soviet goal. Not civilian sector. Main industrial sector was build in such a way to place military production on first place. Any factory in USSR can be build without central oversight to be place in war production.
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  46.  @americanannalist5053  I do not claim that TIK said such a stiupid thing about tanks. His words.again was twisted without proper context.
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  47.  @bakters  Then do not claim nothing if you do not have material to support your claim or time and will to find it. Thta is pure scientific work, TIK do it and you should do it the sam to prove him wrong. Everything is based on time and work.
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  48.  @bakters  And find his video is easy if you know which you are looking for.
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  49.  @bakters  You just prove that TIK was right, because he in both statements put point on importance of anti-tank and kiling soft target. Not like you claim that he do not understand role of tank gun. Light tank is broad category. It depend on army and time it use that machine. But in late WW2 they were use mainly to scouting role. And some of that tanks were even armed only in MG or small caliber gun. On case of M3/M5 tanks some units remove turrets to make them a smaller target. Going to soviet economy you claim something without proper sources. TIK bring his sources and his understanding of facts looks proper.
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  50.  @bakters  TIK in his statement about tank guns basicly claim AT is important,but still soft target are primary target. Tank as a system is one of many system to destroy enemy tanks. That is his words, you even quote them! I do not see where he dismiss AT role. Maybe you do not understand of context of Matilda II. Tank with great AT gun but without any way to attack soft targets (only MG is poor tool for that). That is the context. What you need more to understand. About TIK discussion with Moran I do not know the context. But in some situation AT cannons is better solution than tank. But that depend on context. And you do not provide any name or link to your "source". That make your claim just claim, nothing more.
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