Comments by "Horatio82" (@horatio8213) on "Why Franco & Spain stayed out of WW2?" video.

  1. And this ununited Left use the same bloody terror against itself and others. Many victimes were treaten by socialist and nationalist. Situation in Spain was not that so wąsy to read, you have devided nation stuck between hammer and anvil of opposing forces, forces happy as hell to use terror against each other. Whole discussion over what is right wing and left wing is a still running theme. As official stand Franco was nationalist, but he also act like socialist. Then how you gonna call him?
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  2.  @mikefay5698  "The British helped Franco, by using a submarine to sink an arms shipment from Mexico." Any date, ship and submarine names? It looks like "alternative history". About help for " Soverigne elected Government", which government? That which start with terror against opposition?The same which was destroyed by soviet agents? Replaced by puppets of Stalin and use terror against his political enemies. Government that use terror in internal fights between socialists, communists and anarchists? All sides of Spanish Civil War were cruel and were ready to use violence to eliminate political enemies. There were no "good guys" there. Everybody want own version of revolution. Soviet Union also "helps" Republic. Use Spain as a testing ground. Stole Spanish gold reserve and kill big part of Republicans that fled to USSR. Accusing neutral UK and France in this contex is really dishonest and stiupid Spear me propaganda and write about teror used by Repubicans and Francist. Both side deserve eachother and the tougether destroy Spain.
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  3.  @mikefay5698  "Horatio82 Most books on the Spanish Civil War mention the submarine sinking,have a read. " That is just empty statment. I ask again, ships names, date and contex. Because I don't see reason why RN should sunk neutral ship in peace time! Even Germans after start of WW2 were very careful to attack only allied shiping. RN would just stop that ship using any of own warship in area, no need to sunk it! " Another anti Soviet regime in Europe didn't please Stalin. Wihout Soviet help the Francoist Rebels would have quickly overcome the Spanish reformers all of Spain wanted out of Medieval backwardness. Stalin charged everyone he gave aid to. Every bullet was paid for. He kept the Gold allegedly as his price for materiel for the Spanish Government." If Stalin "charged everyone he gave aid to" that was not help but just buisness. If Stalin want Republican to win, he can just send more "volunteers" like Hitler and Musssolini. Even France nad England can't stop him. And I will claim that USSR stole Spanish gold, because value of this asset was much more bigger than any "help" that USSR provide to Spain. Stalin was Bolshevik, he don't prefer any one over his own puppets, just look how he create net of satelite states after WW2. That he order coup in Spain and killing of any one who was in opposition to Stalin's views and dictatorial power. " The sinking of the Lusitania too was cooked up by the British to bring the US into ww1. You are naive Horatio!" Neutral ship attacked and sunken by German submarine, without checking cargo for contaband (that is war crime under international laws!). And you claim that was a British provocation? I'm sure that not mean I am naive, rather proof that you are living in conspiracy theories world. False flag is nothing new, but to prove that you need more than buch of nonsens claims. To be precise, I don't support Franco or Republicans views, because both sides use nice sounding propaganda, but still ends with death squads kiling thousends of innocent. And there is no way to claim that was accident, to many instances and process starts long before breaking the Civil War. Bot sides target opponents and kill them without mercy. Then spare me claims that Republicans want peace and love in Spain. Words can't change the reality of socialist , communist and nationalist terror.
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  4.  @mikefay5698  Soviet Union was total faliure. Any one who claim otherwise is just stiupid or ignorant. I'll givie simple examples, in this worker paradise in Stalin's era, when you were late to work 3 times, whatever cause that, you were treat as a criminal and send to Gulag. You can't travel without permision or even change the job without communist party approval. You assume I am uneducated and dumb. Let me response to that. I am from farmer and workers family. I am myself a blue collar by. choice. But in the same time I achive science degree in political science and I study history for my whole life. Especially militarny and politics history. I reject your conspiracy theories just because facts don't support them. You can't provide any source to you claim about sunking this transport to Spain. If you give evidence I can assume that you are right. Now you just claim something what is not supported by any source. About Lusitania, it is not a shock that were fuses there, because Lusitania was transporting war materials! Problem was that Germans just sunk it without controlling cargo, technicly they were right. But British used a fact that they broke rules of war and blame them for that, which also was true. And USA rather join because Zimmerman's Telegram, Lusitania was just one more argument. About integrity, books also can be biased. Only work with multiply sources and real scientific methods can provide you right conclusion. And again your claim sound silly when you claim that USSR was example of future way. For me USSR is a one more example of ideology failing against reality. There is not even one sucessful example of communism country. All of them turn in poverty and terror.
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  5.  @mikefay5698  Why you don't respond on arguments? Why you shape false visions of facts? Slenders can't change lack of responds on facts. If neutrality dosen't work, how Sweden and Switzland keep independence in WW2? Simple anwser is they were ready to fight and they don't want invade anybody. They trade with both sides of war and try balance influence of fighting powers. They stay neutral for both World Wars! Can you be blind on this? Portugal also was neutral in WW2. Ireland too was neutral in WW2. I ask you again, what ship with weapons for Spain was sunken by RN submarine? Date, names of ships are evidence not your claims. Capitalism is winning, look on China, maybe they don't have democracy but they embrace worst version of capitalism. Communist Party of China is now biggest corporation in world. Communism in China is just empty shell. If you understand climat change you should remember that British Iles will be colder because hot sea currents will change. Scotland will be much colder than today! If you want freez go back there. https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2001/jun/21/globalwarming.physicalsciences Even Guardian wrote about this. And you get facts wrog again! I just see that you don't respond on questions, you label your opponents by slenders. Win by arguments. But you still do not provide nothing. Then who belive in Pink Unicorns, me or you? Facts claim that you.
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  6.  @mikefay5698  You claim that sunkening happen not me. Where are your argument? You made up it or belive in propaganda. Both mean that never happened. Then who use facts? You slender me and now you run.
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  7.  @mikefay5698  Sweden, Switzland, Portugal, Argentina and many countries stay neutral in WW2. Then beeing neutral is possiable or not? Because facts not agree with you. I am not responsiable for things you wrote. That is your problem.
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  8.  @JohnSmith-ft4gc  Republicans use the same terror tactics as a Francist. Boths sides target opposite politicians, situation was so chaotic that any of sides could be seen as a preparing a coup. Spanish PM as killed nad repalced by soviet puppet, are you still claim that Republicans were not internaly divided?
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