Comments by "Horatio82" (@horatio8213) on "Deliberate or Desperate? Red Army Counterattacks of 1941 & 1942" video.

@greenbrickbox3392 Yeah the same Red Army that need years to crush anti-communists in Eastern Europe. Soviets were depleted, they take millions killed in war. No real human resourcses for long years and they risk uprising on occiupied territories. In many countries Soviets were hated the same or more than Germans.
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Dwarov 1 "The USA also recieved a lot of equipment and resources from the USSR" What equipment? Name one. Because any soviet production was enough to cover Red Army needs. Some resources maybe (but i never get any real information about soviet resources going to UK or USA), but nothing what USA can't replace. Soviets were depleted by war and even Stalin knew that and do everything to do not start new war before USSR will have own atomic weapons. Soviet airforce and navy can't counter USA and UK forces. No real air defence was existing in Red Army and USA outclass soviet airforces. How in that case Soviets can win war with USA? When basicly they were hated in any new territory they take, nobody in mass support communism in Poland, Romania, Bulgaria or Hungary.
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Dwarov 1 Soviet air defence was uneffective on tactical, operational and strategic levels. No net of radars, no real effective command structure and modern equipment. Only weakness of Luftwaffe protect soviet industry from german bombs. Tacticaly Red Army AA was very poor, no real cover against Luftwaffe was created. Germans in 1945 were still using Ju 87 against Red Army, plane that in 1940 was easly shoot down by RAF. Any soviet land system was in any way to be compared with USA or UK mobile AA weapons. How many effective AA guns was in Red Army in comparision to US Army or British Army, how many of them were mobile systems like american M16 or british Cruseder AA? Redc Army have only trucks with nothing bigger than light automatic cannons, easy to destroy and not ready to operate in terrain outside of roads. In fightercraft allied were producing much more better planes that could fight on higher altitiude than any soviet planes in 1945. Only IL-2 and IL-10 planes were produced in USSR, other models were imported from USA like A-20, B-25. Rest of soviet medium bombers were obselete and there were no soviet modern medium or strategic bombers. Americans were developing models of bombers like B-36 that could flight deep into USSR airspace and drop A-bombs wherever they need to use them. Soviets didn't have A-bomb or even bombers like that. Soviets with help of allies produce little over 50% of USA production of planes, not mention of UK production. USA produce 300 000 to 158 00 soviet produced. Also how many planes have USA and UK in comaprision to USSR? How many carriers, crusiers and battleships were in navys of USA and UK aganist nonexisting soviet fleet? USA and UK do not need rebuilding from German occupation, USSR need. Also in case of war USSR can't invade UK and USA. In second direction that was possiable. If Germans were so close to beat USSR alone, how that would play if USA and UK re-arm them to fight and provide resources and support? Plus when USA and UK produce domestic jet planes in hundreds, Soviet need years to copy german technology. What was engine in MiG-15? Because I think that was soviet copy of Rolls-Royce jet engine.
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Dwarov 1 "The USSR was producing more food than all of the allies combined even in 1942." In what world you live? Even before war USSR can't produce enough food to fed itself and sell food outside. Without food from USA and UK USSR was starving in 1941 and 1942. USA na whole British Empire outproduce USSR in any cathegory.
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Dwarov 1 You are basicly living in world of communist propaganda. In 1945 combined airforces of USA and UK out number soviet airforces. In quality of equipment US and UK beat USSR. Only soviet figters were quite good, but USRR did not have any long range fighter. In tanks and firearm both sides produce good weapons. But stil USA and UK can produce more tank, planes and other weapons. Soviet Navy basicly can only use few submarines and I don't belive that they would be better than hundreds of Uboots. In case of resources you wrote about few minerals, when USA and UK provide much more to USSR that USSR send them. And claim that UK stare is just a dark humor in comparision to conditions in USSR. Also you wrote "effective soviet AA defence" that was uneffective against small Luftwaffe forces. In fight with US or UK airforces they can't be compare to German AA system. No radars, no central command structures, no effective interceptors. Soviet system in comparision to German was a joke.
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Dwarov 1 You really should check sources. 158 000 is tottal soviet aircraft production. Allied have model that could operate on many levels of altitiude like some version of Spitfers, Soviets did not produce any modern medium bombers exept Tu-2 and no real strategic bomber like american B-29 or british Lancaster. And soviet YaKs kill more own pilot than enemy. Main problem was too light wing construction, they just fall aparat. That is why soviet air units have so much "unindentified loses". In 1944-45 US and UK produce in large numbers of jet fighter like De Hallivand Comet. Something that USRR do not did for next two years. Not even mention atom bomb. Usage of 2 or 3 against Red Army would cause massive casualities and deplete soviet manpower.
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Dwarov 1 Also MiG-15 didn't outperform F-86. Level of combat losses were basicly the same. And jet engine in MiG was copy od British engine. About outperforming allied fighter on higher alititude I even can't stop laughing at that claim. Any soviet fighter could compete with Allied fighter over 5000 meters. Spitfire models of later version or contemporary P-51 and P-47 use engines which outperform everything that was in soviet service then. Also your claim about AA Defence in USRR do not have any support in fact. Much weaker Luftwaffe penetrate and hit targets in Moscow and Leningrad without any problems. And both cities were equiped in large AA forces. But this forces were tottaly uneffective. About invasion you should ask Germans and Japaness how they couldn't stop Allied from succsses. Operations Husky, Overlord or Dragoon tell you something? Also in 1945 level of training in Western armies were much better than in Red Army. Also RAF alone won against whole Luftwaffe long before USSR came to WW2. And I think that Red Army was much softer target than you belive.
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@greenbrickbox3392 Read about antcommunist reaistance in Baltic Countries or in Poland. Greec fought a civil war against communism rebelion. And you want claim that USSR did not use terror to keep control over Eastern Europe? Then what happened in Hungery in 1956 or Czehoslovakia in 1968? And little fun fact, the same day when Red Army liberated Auschwitz Camp, NKVD use it to own terror against Poles.
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Dwarov 1 And about that garbage Western planes. One of the most popular soviet fighter was P-39 Aircobra made by USA. And one of Best performing soviet bomber was A-20, also made in USA. Even Stalin's own son inform him that Western planed were better produced and equiped than soviet. That is why Yakovlew was kicked from his governmental post. If you want to belive I buy your false data and propaganda claim then dream on. After the USSR fall we could read real documents. Compare them with other sources and as an example your production of planes number are blunt lie.
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When Germans and UK in 1939-1945 use operational radars in well organise AA defence system, USSR use few prototypes or Lend Lease given radars. Moscow and Leningrad air and land defence can't stop Luftwaffe from bombing both cities. Any of German units were hurt by soviet defence. Germans move that units to combat support roles because they don't have enough planes. And if soviet AA system were so good then how the hell Ju-87 Stuka operate against Red Army to 1945? And your lies about production of food in USRR are so stiupid. Also Lend Lease in case od food was more than as you claim. Also your claim about soviet industrial output are taken from propaganda not from facts.
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Dwarov 1 USA provide 1.75 milion tons of of food to USSR. Not like you claim. Next, if in 1943 Soviet air forces destroy Luftwaffe, who massacre whole Red Army Tank Corp from air.in 1943? Fairies or Luftwaffe. Also number of AA guns do not mean that there were use with good effect. In 1941 Red Army had over 20000 tanks against less than 4000 german tanks. And who was winnig tank battle in 1941? Have you heard about Dubno tank battle that Red Army lost?
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@greenbrickbox3392 Whitout soviet and yugoslavian help greece communism never would get so much equipment. Communists try captured power in Greece by force and they lose because Stalin stop helping them and that cause split with Tito, ho treat that as a betrayal of communism.
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@greenbrickbox3392 Without support of Stalin communist in Greec would fall much faster, he just afraid a WW3, that he take back his support. Government of exile was no German colaborator and was supported by USA and UK, also was still reconissed by USSR as a legal government of Greece. You basicly use only soviet point of view. Poland or East Germany, Romania, Bulgaria and Hungary became communist only because they were occuipied by Red Army. After few days beeing liberators Red Army fast became a occiupier. Without that any communist government could exist there longer than few months. Even in pro-soviet Chehoslovakia were push to communism by terror. I just can wait for TIK making video about that.
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Dwarov 1 "The USSR recieved 4000 tons of food in ww2" is 50% one Liberty ship payload. Use brain and rethink that. Half of ship! "LOL is 1941 youe best example xD. HAHAHA, you do realise that the USSR was completely overwhelmed, right?" Overhelmed, why? Because own incompetence and Stalin mistakes. How many planes were in WWS and in Axis forces? 3000 in axis airforces and over 18000 in WWS. Still to basicly 1945 Luftwaffe operate on Eastern front. WWS only overhelmed axis forces after late 1943. Still in 1945 Germans could operate without any big obstacle from WWS in day when of West front that would be suicide for them. And Soviets were full mobilizated against Germans in 5 to 3 ratio in soldier numbers and much more in other cases like tanks, planes or field guns. At Dubno 1941 battle Red Army lose more tanks then Wermacht use at start of Barbarossa. "You also oversestimate german CAS which in most cases bombed it's own men." https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=cpRvCwAAQBAJ&pg=PT35&lpg=PT35&dq=how+luftwaffe+stops+soviet+tank+corp+in+1943&source=bl&ots=RKeuQM8ATO&sig=ACfU3U023TfsFUkOpBQk3yi4M83cxuR78Q&hl=pl&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjD74_QmNjmAhUTsXEKHX8QBggQ6AEwEnoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=how%20luftwaffe%20stops%20soviet%20tank%20corp%20in%201943&f=false You downplay Luftwaffe and overestimate WWS effectivness. I think you should read more than soviet authors. I suggest Mark Solonin, he wrote many well sourced books about what was main reasons of soviet airforce weak performance in WW2. Much more russian historians today with documentation from archives changing official narrative about WW2. Soviet AA defence never shoot down 78% planes over Moscow, that is just absurd. Losesse like that wolud mean that Luftwaffe in 1941 would just dissapear. Years 1942 and 1943 in air prove you are in deep denail. Any numbers you provied are laughable. Performance of war planes, numbers of production are basicly in contrradiction with your claims. You just put some claim without any real numbers. Simple debunk is just send you to data about war production in WW2. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Military_production_during_World_War_II But if you want live in soviet propaganda bubble do as you want.
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Dwarov 1 "The soviet pilots described allied planes as hatd to control, poorly armed and not manouverable enough. " Stalin son you wrote that died was from his first marriage and he was arttilery officer. Second Stalin's son was general of airforce and he criticise soviet planes in comparision to western quality of planes. Alexander Pokryshkin a one of greatest soviet fighter aces hate soviet fighter plane and he prefer western planes. Why? Because he love them for agilty, maneuverabilit, speed, firepowere and quality of production. If you forgott F-86 was also armed in other versions in 4x20 mm canons. You basicly use downplay western planes hidding soviet weakness. And in many qualities was better than MiG-15. "The allied did not even have a cycling system which meant that all allied soldiers were poorly trained conscripts while the red army was pulling men from their trained reserves who finished their BCT (which was 3 months long) and already had 2 years of service behind them." Hahahaha you basicly do not know nothing about reality of soviet WW2 standards. Meat grinder eat Red Army human resources because soviet command do not count with own soldiers life. Just compare soviet loses in men and equipment in years 1941-45 with German loses and stop making fool from yourslef. You wrote about Uranus, then also you should mention Operation Mars which was Zukhov execiuted massacer on Central Front. Uranus was decoy, Zukhov with larger forces fail in destroying Army Group Center, but you don't mention that. And after Kursk Soviets fought bloody campaings with Germans to win. You rewrite history. No one take soviet victories from them, but you have to put them in WW2 perspective not propaganda "facts". Soviets were responisable for destroying Wermacht on Eastern Front, but Luftwaffe and Kriegsmarine was smashed by USA and UK airforces long before Soviet reach Germany. "What about the soviet raids on Bucharest, Königsberg or Berlin? In fact, the soviet raids on Königsberg resulted in the destruction of 91% of the city." Heh again half truths, Königsberg was destroyed by siege and soviet artillery, also RAF take part in raids on city. Berlin was leveled by RAF and USA airforce. Soviets send few planes that is not even anyway to compared of effects of western allied work. You just prove again and again that you spread soviet propaganda nonsense.
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@greenbrickbox3392 They don't beat this collaboratos alone and most of communist targets were in any way connected to collaboration with Germans. They were targeted because they were obstacle in communist road to power in Greece. And communist would be irrelevant without soviet support.
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Dwarov 1 "The USSR had 148k tanks in ww2. The allies combined had 106k tanks." USSR did not produced 148k tanks, that is number used by USSR tanks and 75% of them were lost in fight. About statements: "The USSR had slightly more planes in ww2 than all of the allies combined. The soviet fighters had a higher range than allied fighters and they did have long range fighters. " Numbers do noty agree with you. What long fighter compared to P-51 and P-47 WWS used? Response is none. In many ways soviet planes were good but in any way superior to WW2 allied warplanes. And Pe-2 was much worse bomber than A-20 or B-25 and A-26. Fast check of characteristic and arrament debunk your "soviet superiority" myth. "Literally the entire US navy was built out of soviet chromium." "LMAO you are flexing with the useless US navy which was built by soviet resources XD. " USA have other sources of minerals than USSR. Shipbuilding was independent from USSR resources and manpower. And this usless american and brithis navies smash opposition. Soviet naval forces were closed by blockades in ports and in most part sunk. And Stalin to fight West need navy, that he with German cooperation want build oceanic fleet. Ships were in building in 1941. Read about planned expansion of Red Fleet before again you make fool from yourself. "Partially because the USSR had Radar while the germans did not. You can't even name examples for your bullshit." Germans use in mass radars on any front. Red Army do not use radars to control AA fire, Luftwaffe did. Domestic soviet radars were poor quality and only Lend Lease eqiupment change that. Even then soviet can't effectvly cover front lines by net of radars. Also soviet command structre was tragic, WSS can't suppresse Luftwaffe even in 1945. First true soviet night fighter with radar was A-20! Germans use effectivly radar on nightfigters from 1942! UK na Germany build well integrated command and control structures for AA defence and they never get you "78%" efficency. Soviets did not have radars, command structure and level of numbers in artilery and planes to achive even close results in air defence. Even North Vietnam with guaided missiles never go that far with AA defence efficency. Even Japan in the end of WW2 build better AA system than USSR. On front soviet fighters have problems with cooperation with land forces. Many times WWS done "empty flights" when Luftwaffe in the same time bombs Red Army on ground. Nubers of WSS do not guaranteed succses in suppresion of German forces.
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Dwarov 1 "The Luftwaffe did not massarce shit. It was the Red Airforce which wiped the floor with the german army. " Yeah classic examples of Luftwaffe doing nothing. https://books.google.co.uk/books?id=cpRvCwAAQBAJ&pg=PT35&lpg=PT35&dq=how+luftwaffe+stops+soviet+tank+corp+in+1943&source=bl&ots=RKeuQM8ATO&sig=ACfU3U023TfsFUkOpBQk3yi4M83cxuR78Q&hl=pl&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwjD74_QmNjmAhUTsXEKHX8QBggQ6AEwEnoECAoQAQ#v=onepage&q=how%20luftwaffe%20stops%20soviet%20tank%20corp%20in%201943&f=false https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Siege_of_Breslau https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bombing_of_Gorky_in_World_War_II There is so many examples how soviet AA was tottaly uneffective against Luftwaffe. And your claims about technical superiority on soviet side is so funny.... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freya_radar https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/German_Luftwaffe_and_Kriegsmarine_Radar_Equipment_of_World_War_II In field of radar USSR place long after Germans and UK/USA. And net of AA was in any way ready to stop Luftwaffe raids. Then how you claim that could stop hundreds of strategic bombers? No AA guns with modern fire control systems, no real interceptor, long range and night fighters. Dream on commrade, dream on.
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Dwarov 1 Russians lose 11 milions soldiers. 75% tanks they use. They I rather belive soviet war reports that state that numbers than you, which you many times prove that you don't know elementar things. "Stalin's son who was in the airforce was captured and killed in 1941 before the USSR even recieved any western planes." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakov_Dzhugashvili And his son which serve in airforces: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Stalin That mean you know shit about USSR history and even chcek things I wrote. "the soviets completely leveled Königsberg in early 1944 already and so they did with Berlin. " Yeah they leved sicy using artillery not planes. More damage were make by RAF raids than soviet planes. And Berlin was leveled by RAF and USA airforce long before Soviets join them. "The luftwaffe was smashed by the red airforce alone. The Germans lost less than 10% of their planes against the allies." And air campaing over Germany that breake Luftwaffe was done by .....not Red Army. Western Allied destroy most of Luftwaffe and german war production in 1944-45. Do not claim 90% of work on Red Army because that is tottal bullshit. Maybe you will claim that USSR win alone Battle of Atlantic?
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Dwarov 1 Soviet radar technology and usage was limited. In any case soviet AA system was compared with UK or German AA and airdefence. In 1950's and 1960's USSR build proper defence system. Vietnam got newest radar and missile soviet systems which were use very clever by Vietnamess and for most time USAAF can't attack this targets by political reasons. And you fogett that after that war USA in any war suppress soviet style defence with eas. Last Israeli raid on Syria prove that. I mention Mark Solonin and he states using soviet documentation that Red Army lose 11 mlns of soldiers. That si one of sources that prove that Soviets lose more soldiers than Germans. http://www.solonin.org/en/article_fire-in-the-storehouse And he is just one of many sources. F-86H use 20 mm guns. Not worse in any way to 23 mm soviet guns. Allied produce planes like De Hallivand Comet or Vampire, P-53 Aircomet and P-80 Shooting Star in 1944-45. Soviet prototype jets were produced 2 years later in 1947. Two years in war is colossal difference. About Königsberg: "Königsberg, the capital of East Prussia, Germany’s easternmost region, was an oasis of peace for much of the second world war. Its destruction has been widely forgotten. From August 26th-27th 1944, the Royal Air Force conducted a bombardment; an even more ruinous raid of carpetbombing followed two days later. In “The Strategic Air Offensive against Germany 1939-1945” (1961), Sir Charles Webster and Noble Frankland observed that incendiary bombs destroyed or seriously damaged 41% of all buildings in the city and 20% of industrial buildings. More than 100,000 people were displaced by the strikes." https://www.economist.com/prospero/2019/08/29/commemorating-the-devastation-of-konigsberg "The red airforce bombed german cities into oblivion even in 1941 while the allies were sitting on their asses doing nothing." To 22nd June of 1941 STalin and Hitler were allies. Only country left fighting Germany was UK, which done quite good job. And comparing WWS strategic forces as even or better than USA nad UK strategic forces is a joke. Stalin in 1945 ask for help to bomb Dresden, because that was impossiable to done by WWS.Soviets alone did not "oblitorate" from air any single german city alone. Soviet strategic bombings were nothing more than propaganda stunts. TIK show in one of his video that Germans do not have enough bombers to conduct strategic bombings. Thye try it with good start in 1941-42 but they never use enough forces. Join USA and UK air forcers would decimate WWS in few months. After that nothing would stop them to bomb day and night land forces to oblivion. Plus even few atomic bomb could put Red Army on knees. "The USSR won the war alone. Learn some history before commenting bullshit." Your bias is visiable and nothing change your lines of prosoviet prejustice. one-on -one Germans with allies and occiupied teritories would just smash USSR in 1942 or 1943. Without Len Lease in 1942 USSR was unable to prologn war. And without Battle of Atlantic Germans could produce twice more tanks and planes. All that oil use in Kriegsmarine could be used in eastern front. Even when I show you don't recognise two different persons and I show you multiply sources that contrradict you, you will still claim your absurds like "4000 tons of food" provide in whole war by Lend Lease. "Yes, the air war was won and conducted by the red airforce. The allies began bombing german extensuvely in late 1944 while the USSR was already fighting in germany." Britsh bombing campaing was constatnt from 1940 to 1945. USA join with own airforce in 1942. Start of strategic bombing in large scale start in 1943 when British and USA send hundred of planes against targets in Germany. Any part of German industry was intact in 1944, at opening of 1945 after strategic bombings done by USA and UK German industry was on last breath. Claims about USSR outproducing USA and UK I just treat as soviet wartime propaganda. USSR was main taker in Lend Lease program. Thousends of tanks and other war material were send to USSR even in 1945. Without this materials soviet army and industry colud collapse in 1942. All major soviet offenssive in 1943-45 was possiable because USA produced trucks and trains. There were not enough train factories and car plants in USSR to replace loses of Red Army from 1941-42. And bullshit about that Red Army wasn't ready to war with Germany put in fairy tales. Material and manpower was in place. Only level of training and command was weak. First months show how weak in this part was Red Army. And Operation Uranus was first , Operation Mars was second in time. Which strike is always a decoy, first or second? Anwser is basicly always the same, if you strike with bigger forces later, the second operation is main one, Mars was not decoy. If you read soviet generals they were suprosed in scale of succsses. But they are silent about Mars for many years. Because that was dissaster caused by Zukhov. Zukhov as a field commader was weak, he didn't plan Uranus or Kursk operations. He just stole this valour from other generals. His commad in Berlin Operation was a shame, in the last days of war he put his soldiers in needless massacre. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Mars Rokossovk and Koniev were much better commanders.
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Dwarov 1 Still this article proves that USSR was far behind Germans and UK/USA in development and production of radars and electronical warfare. Any real AA command and control system that was close to british or german solutions do not exist in USSR. Typical sitation in USSR in this time, lot of prototypes and nothing ready to mass production. Basicly Lend Lease again rescue Soviets because in this field they were far behinde Germans and Allied. And you should also mention that most of soviet fighters use only simple radio recivers. When all german and Allied planes use radio to recive and send informations. That cause that soviet commanders can't use fighters in the same way like German counterparts. Also funny thing, becuase you claim that USSR use more and better radars than Germans, which is not truth.
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Dwarov 1 IT is fun whe you state first that Germans did not use any radar. And in coment later you put that they do, but later than 1939. Your knowledge about RAF and Luftwaffe development of radars and AA is lacking basic dates and facts. BEFORE 1939 Germans and Brits created basis for system of net radars and air defence. Nothing what was done in USSR in this time was close to command and control system implemented by RAF and Luftwaffe. If soviet system was so effective why Kiev, Mińsk and Sevastopol were bombwd without any problem from 22nd by Germans and Romanians. No real opposition from AA aritllery and air forces.
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Dwarov 1 Official soviet staatistic in this case are just imagimary. If you claim that Luftwaffe lose 50 in all raids you basicly beat even official soviet sources. Estimates about effectivness of soviet air forces and AA give by USSR are just lies. Any figures are not even close to few precents of Luftwaffe lose in WW2. If take your claim with any knowledge of WW2 WWS shoot down all German planed few times. It is true like hundreds ships sunk by soviet submarines. And Germans use in hundreds radars, also in Eastern front. And your claim about soviet supwriority in radars are basicly reverse of reality.
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Dwarov 1 You prove noyhnig. 1) You can't even distinct two different sons of Stalin. "Stalin's son who was in the airforce was captured and killed in 1941 before the USSR even recieved any western planes." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yakov_Dzhugashvili And his son which serve in airforces: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vasily_Stalin That mean you know shit about USSR history and even chcek things I wrote. 2)your claim about scale of Lend Lease is just a joke. @Dwarov 1 "The USSR recieved 4000 tons of food in ww2" is 50% one Liberty ship payload. Use brain and rethink that. Half of ship! 3) You tottaly missrepresent characteristic of planes of fighting armies. Enyone who can read know that you just bluntly lie about soviet superiority in planes and radars. 4)Quote from you " Partially because the USSR had Radar while the germans did not. You can't even name examples for your bullshit." https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Freya_radar http://www.gyges.dk/Ln%20zbV%202.htm There is much more evidence that Germans outclass WWS in usage of radar and beat shit out of Red Army even when WWS was dominant power in East. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ELONuVW4WF0 5)"If the Luftwaffe was so strong than why was completely wiped from the sky in 1943 and lost over 85% of it's planes in the east? Why did it lose over half of it's bombers with each raid and why were all german bombing campaigns failiures." Basicly all informations in this quote are bullshit. Luftwaffe never send 85% (even in Barbarossa they move only part of whole Luftwaffe to attack USSR) planes to Eastern Front. Or Soviets never destroy 85%. or even more than 50% German planes! There are estimates that put German loses on Eastern Front much lower. There is even a fun fact that Germans never put against USSR more than 30% of fighter planes. Also statistic of combat loses show that for every 1 plane lost in East Germans lose 3.4 on West. https://www.quora.com/In-WWII-of-the-44-000-aircraft-lost-by-Germany-on-the-Soviet-German-front-what-accounted-for-90-those-losses Hans-Urlich Rudel is know to you? Or maybe about bombing campaings: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ovUtqasRuRc Basicly is no sence to disscuse with you because even if we put in front of you data and sources you will claim that Soviets were better in everything. Then how the hell war take 4 years from 1941 to 1945 to win with Germans? And Sevastopol, Kiev and Minsk were bombed many times and in many time "superior soviet AA system" stop them. I left you and your soviet propaganda to simple examination of bulshit you produce.
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Dwarov 1 Little education about LL planes in WWS and it's role. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SLTR8qeTOIs
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@climberly Problem is that soviet sources are much more problematic in quality. Germans and western allies also produce some questionable documents. But if you check how many times Soviets contrradict themself you should be very caucious about soviet version. On one side they claim that they weren't ready to fight with Germans, but in other version they were Best in everything. In one version Germans nearly destroy USSR and that cause soviet demands for reparation. But in the same time the same Soviets claim that they outproduce every one in everything. That cause that soviet claims should be treated with big criticism. Take Lend Lease as a example.
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From soviet perspective after winter 1941/42 Wermacht was depleted and powerfull offensive willl destroy it. In reality Soviets belived in own propaganda and overestimented German casualities. Zukhov and other generals create false picture of weakness of Wermacht and that Red Army is in better shape than Wermacht. Stalin belive that Red Army could win in offensive in winter of 1942. But that was wrong decision based on wrong assumption. That always was problem with flow of information in totalitarian state. Stalin caused that by his terror in 1930's, any defet was hide as log as possiable in fear of accusation and death . Lot of top soviet generals died in 1941 because they can't realise orders from Moscow and they were send to death because they "failed".
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@lukebruce5234 They did fight with bigger portion of land armies of Reich. But if you take material and infrastrucure put to fight with western allies this is not that simple. In case of numbers of equipment like tanks, artillery or planes in relation to infantry, wester front take more than Soviets want to agree. Most numbers of German planes was use on West (witch forces also used in North Africa and Italy). No one take the what Red Army done against big portion of Wermacht, but in reality most devastation to german industrial power was done by Western Allies. Battle of Atlantic keep big portion of oil outside Eastern Front. Steel , manpower and other resources used to build Kriegsmarine could be used in war with USSR. Lend Lease is a big problem for official soviet propaganda view of WW2. The same problem is that form 23.09.1939. to 22.06.1941. Soviets activly help Hitler in his conquests as allies. Provide everything that Germany need to wage war. And scale of loses in 1941-42 were caused by incompetence of leaders of USSR. Only last year of war show how Red Army could operate if was proper commanded and trained. Operation Bagration was case when soviet loses were low in comparition to heavy losses of Germans. About how effective was Red Arny, that is big disscusion. Number we got from USSR and Third Reich documents are very problematic. Sometimes they even on first look like garbage. TIK show that many times. In many cases Russia still do not want to open documentation to studies. In reality soviet losses were much bigger than numbers given by official statements. And in Soviet and Russian interest is keep myth that USSR was responssiable for most German loses. And keep myth of heroic succsess only with insignificant help of West. In my view Red Army loses in 1941 show how uneffective it was against Wermacht. Soviets lose millions of soldiers and thounsends in numbers of tank, planes and other key equipment. To rebuild loses and create forces ready to win war USSR need 2 years of bloody war and huge economical and military help from USA and UK. And still to the end USSR lose much of this rebuild potetial. Manpower in USSR in 1945 wer depeted. Economy was in ruins and USSR need years to rebuild and use captured german and western technolgies. Look on soviet atomic weapons porogram, it was years behind Manhattan Project even with stolen from it secrets. Stalin new that he can't win war against USA nad UK in 1945. Because if he belive he can, he would start it.
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@lukebruce5234 There are good books that shows how many official stands in soviet history of WW2 are basicly lies. At start you should read Mark Solonin. He put coherent view on soivet part of WW2. Specially in air. http://www.solonin.org/en/books
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@lukebruce5234 For simple example. Biggest tank battle was not at Kursk 1943, but at Dubno in 1941. And Germans won tat battle, destroying or take nearly 1000 soviet tanks.
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@lukebruce5234 "Wasn't the German navy like "1%" of their entire military? If anything it's the Western narrative which seems to be very misleading. Destroying the navy when 99% of the war isn't even at the seas doesn't seem like much of an accomplishment." Take manpower, industry used in building fleet of Uboots and surface ships. This resources and manpower could give Germans few more tank and mechanizated division in Operation Barbarossa. In this case you also sholud remember that this 1% could block Murmansk. Do you ever know how much steel is need to build one type VII Uboot? This "1%" of German forces put Red Navy in corner for how much? Basicly to 1944 Red Navy was hidding from Kriegsmarine and Luftwaffe in bases. The same is in the case of destroying Luftwaffe. It was done in bombing campaings over Germany. Red Army benefits from attricion of Luftwaffe done on Western Front. "The same problem is that form 23.09.1939. to 22.06.1941. Soviets activly help Hitler in his conquests as allies. The USSR tried forming an anti-Hitler alliance. Only after the West rejected the deals and helped Hitler occupy Czechoslovakia by betraying its ally and even letting another ally (Poland) occupy it the USSR struck a deal with Germany:" Yeah he was so consistent he form allaince with Hitler and divide Europe in half. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Molotov%E2%80%93Ribbentrop_Pact Not mention military cooperation that USSR provide for Germany before Hitler rise to power. What you call sitiuation when two powers divide spoils sell eachother resources and technology? Hitler never would invade Poland if Stalin just stay neutral. Even little chance that Stalin will attack Germans in Poland after thier invasion make Hitler uncertain about his plan. But then Stalin propose him treaty and count that long war in West will bring revolution like WW1. UK nad France do not betray Poland in 1939, evryone know that Poland will lose to Germany, but war wil be contniued in West. But Stalin was one who propose this alliance. "And scale of loses in 1941-42 were caused by incompetence of leaders of USSR. Only last year of war show how Red Army could operate if was proper commanded and trained The Soviets didn't fight very well but practically everyone was getting wrecked by Germany." But noone lose that much that quick. Whole 1930's prepartion to lead world revolution died in 6 months in 1941. Millions of soldiers and tons of equipment was lost. This is still greatest military defeat in history of Russia nad world. By whole french campaing of 1940 Germans lose more planes than for time from 22.06.1941. to battle of Moscov and that say something about effectivness of Red Army. Years 1941-43 were meatgrinder for economy and population of USSR. "Stalin new that he can't win war against USA nad UK in 1945. Because if he belive he can, he would start it. The USSR wasn't really trying to start a WW3, if anything it was a British plan to start it: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Operation_Unthinkable" But thing you do not wrote that this plan was developed in case if USSR will breake agreemenst about cooperation after WW2 and try to suppress democrtaic election (what Stalin did) in middle and east Europeans countries that landed under soviet occiupation. Plan was just study of worst case scenario. Do not play a dumb who belive that Stalin wasn't calculating his chances againts USA and UK. He done that and he knew about A-Bomb, thats why he wait for his atomic program sucsess. Thats why he want peace, because he need time to absorb his conquest and rebuild USSR.
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