Comments by "Lynott Parris" (@DenUitvreter) on "Why the Dutch support colonialism" video.

Nonsense, the older generations had much better history education. Now young peopel who know absolutely nothing about Dutch history act like they have to teach and lecture them. But no, if your parents had to do slave labour in Germany government paying 200 million in subsidies to black peope, descendants of slaves or enslavers, is not the highest priority.
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@vers9034 People confuse the two a lot lately, and have no clue about Dutch history at all.
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@dylanvogler2165 I hope you pay more attention studying history than you do reading my posts, because I didn't write anything like that. The claim in the comment topping this thread that slavery wasn't mention in school in the past is simply false, ignorant and arrogant. We were always taught about the dark pages, but they stuck to the facts, teachers didn't feel the need to express their disgust, and what a good person they were, by making stuff up and make it look worse, or make it far more important than all the other horrible stuff of the old days. The king no longer being able to chop of heads and tell people what and how to believe was the point of the whole war that the Dutch Repuclic took the Portuguese and Spanish colonies in the first place. I do know better what the education on Dutch history was like, because I got it. But for this generation the Dutch 20th century does not appear to exist. They seem to believe it was like 1930's Alabama here. That's no coincidence because this whole slavery and colonialism thing as central to history and the modern day is the product of importing American activism with an American narrative, this whole comment section is loaded with examples. Historians, teachers, politicians, museums media are all groveling, they do their professional equivalent of a plantation reenactment for whites with chains and all. It flagellation and submission to the American narrative, a competition of who can express his disgust the strongest and make up the worst narratives. If that trend of the past decade escaped you, you weren't doing your job very well. I've read a few books since my school days btw, but I still remember very well what me and my generation learned in school. Our perspective was indeed that the past was generally far more bad, but also when that past was and how an when things changed for the better. It's not like we were waiting for a more poorly educated and shallow generation who believe they can know the 20th century from the internet, allthough only becoming a source 3 years before the end of it. If you willfully stay ignorant about the past, you can always be the first, congratulations.
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This fashionabe self hate is a historian unworthy. No, it wasn't all pretty, but genocide? No. 5.2% is anonsense calcution, equally fashionable. Peak VOC, a lot bigger financial success than the WIC, was never more profitable than the herring industry and the Dutch Republic (already a guiding nation, relgious tolerance, upward social mobility, equality, interracial marriages, freedom of conscience, thought and print, lot's of women's liberties) got rich from European trade. The whole colonial enterprise was peanuts and allthough colonial crime happened, most of that was about regular trade too. Most slaves shipped by the Dutch went the other colonial powers colonies, the Dutch were never big in the plantations. Suriname was handed independence, togehther with a huge some of money especially because of slavery, which was squandered by the Surinamese government. The Netherlands was the only occupied country that went on strike against deportatations, and has by far the most people who risked their lives to hide jews. But ylou of course, with your cowardly confirmist and fashionable version of history would have stood up spoken out, be tortured and get shot, just to make a point and become one of the 200.000 gentile Dutch war deaths. Yeah right. The Dutch by then weren't particularly ruthless anymore in Indonesia since the late 1800's, the guerilla war got dirty indeed, as they always do, but the slaughter of tens of thousands of non pure blooded Indonesians, whites, mixed race and Chinese, by the Indonesian nationalists was a bit of an issue as you can imagine. You know very well Zwarte Piet wasn't an issue at all until 2011, when the false comparisons with American blackface begun, you know very well Zwarte Piet and Sinterklaas were and are celebrated in the former colonies in the same way by the black people there too.
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@ThePresentPast_ So why are you willfully miseducating people with these videos?
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@sebe2255 Besides it's not true. The older generation had a fact based education, the younger generation gets a judgement based education. The maker of this video is so eager to be judgemental that the facts don't matter.
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They weren't. South Africa became a British colony in 1795, apartheid is from the 1940's. The natives were only enslaved and ruled when the British took over.
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They were, the video is BS.
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Shut your lying mouth. There has never been any racial segregation in the Netherland, which you might have learned in school, is not the USA. Interracial marriages in the Netherlands go back to at least the 1500's. As long the mostly black man and white wife went to the same church, there was never any issue. This must be the most ignorant or malicious comment on YT from today.
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Invented capitalism, religious tolerance, freedom of conscience, thought and print, the nation state, came up with the idea that there was no divine right of kings, the people had to be served, had inalienable rights and could remove a tyrant. First (proto) industrialized country, introduced equality and upward social mobility, was the cradle of the enlightenment and the age of reason. Huge in science and art and I could go on. Do you know any state with more historical significance? The colonial empire was rather insignificant to the Dutch, economically. It was culturally important because it opened the world to the Dutch, with all it's plants and animals, it's cultures, the Japanese and Chinese art, the Persians etc.
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Nonsense, thing went in the right direction at least 150 years ago. The rest of the world was ages behind. But now the USA is finally there, people like to act like they ever were victims fo American racism.
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@tmmny No, it's ignorant believing they should teach the knowledgeable now. No, the Dutch Golden Age wasn't accomplished by horrible things, horrible things happened in the same era. Nowadays they stay shallow about our past and the younger generation gobbles it up because love to be compassionately infantile. They don't have real compassion though. They have not even begun to contemplate what it would have taken to live up to their current ideals, very much a product of the Dutch Golden Age btw, back then. Same with WWII, they lack the intellectual effort for compassion with people from the past. Indeed, the Dutch Golden Age was a lot more important than just another country practicing slavery like people had been doing for thousands of years.
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@dylanvogler2165 It's more about submissive mind when American imperialists are declaring their history and culture universal. Besides the fact that poorly educated youngsters have a tendency to think that it's their generation that happens to be at the center of a historic change.
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National identity was a Dutch invention you dummy. The Dutch build a modern nation when the rest of Europe was still stuck in the Dark Ages. The Dutch Republic was the original the USA and France took two centuries longer, and could thanks to the Dutch. The current British parliamentary monarchy with it's Bill of Rights is also the product of a Dutch invasion. The Germans never sailed past Denmark, but still have a more atrocious colonial history in a few decades than the Dutch in 3 centuries.
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The Dutch only ruled the whole of Indonesia for a couple of decades then. Before that they mostly just exploited through the local rulers, who certainly weren't any better. It was their cruelty that made the Dutch eventually properly colonize the islands.
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@tmmny At least that generation could focus on the subject.
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@ningen7736 'Empire' is also a very anglocentric, imported, way of describing it.
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@sebe2255 I don't believe they are teaching the facts now, of course there are some facts used to tell a story that is not right. It's a matter of integrity. Post WWII history education was to mold people to learn from history and tell it as it was. That does not mean they were always right, it means they were genuine in their attempt to tell it like it was. This video isn't and recent history lessons and historians aren't.
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Bull shit. South Africa became a lo worse for the natives when the British took over. The Dutch did far more proper trade until 1800, the British did at leat ten times more slavery and a 100 times more killing.
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