Comments by "Lynott Parris" (@DenUitvreter) on "IWrocker"
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What the British miss here (as usual) is that the Netherlands is much more unlike Britain than they assume and has been for centuries. The Netherland is and has been much more equal and egalitarian, peasants have been discussing water management with nobles and merchant for ages. A lot of the British politeness is about not being inclusive, to identify people as lower class because they don't understand the complicated social rules and polite ways of conversation. The British middle and lower class have adapted to the upper class complex rules, the Dutch upper class was sidelined by the merchants, often from humble beginnings and the peasants.
Don't forget the Pilgrim Fathers didn't flee England directly, first they went to the Dutch Republic with it's religious tolerance but they fled the religious freedom there, they were worried about the influence of the Dutch sexual morale on their children (this was nothing wild, just that sexual joy was fine within marriage and public display of affection was allowed for courples and fiancees). The British and the Americans are the exception here, they are the prudes. Germany, France, Scandinavia, are much more like the Dutch than like the British and the Americans.
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Citroen's most high end car was the SM, with the Maserati V6. It was a real Gran Turismo, not particularly fast allthough by far the fastest FWD of it's day and many days later, but a full four seater to cross the continent fast and in comfort. It was in the Porsche 911 price range, which was still a small light sportscar back then and not supercar class, but very popular with the rich and famous, sheiks and shahs because it was very special, far better at what it did good than any competitor.
There was a rally special of the BX, but that had little to do with the regular BX. It made quick small hatchbacks too but Citroen excelled at handling in comfortable cars, and handling on very bad roads, not at handling for maximum speed, in that it was just one of many.
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Orange is a principality in Southern France. William of Orange, AKA William the Silent and not to be confused with William III or Orange who took the throne of Britain over a century later, was as a German noble steward (stadtholder) to the king of Spain for the Netherlands. Then he led the rebellion against that same king because the Dutch, protestant and catholic, wanted religious tolerance instead of the Spanish Inquisition. The colour derived from his name became the symbol of the revolt that would eventually be an 80-year war with Spain and Portugal before they also recognized the Dutch Republic's independence. The stadtholder, steward without a king now, became the leader together with the grand pensionary, not a noble and formerly the position of lawyer to the parliament of the Holland province.
Nation states were not a thing yet, Europe was divided in monarchies and even the Dutch didn't know how to go about independent government at first and took 7 years between the declaration of independenc and naming themselves the Republic of the Seven United Netherlands. All the symbolism and flags were royal too, so they had to come up with all that nationalist stuff themselves and the colour orange worked great. So that's also why the Dutch have the oldest tricolour and the oldest national anthem. Even the carrots got bred orange to boost national spirit. Later it became a symbol for the Orangists, the pro stadtholder and more national unity republicans, who were opposed by the "Statists" republicans, who didn't want a stadtholder and very autonomous provinces with power in the provincial parliaments (i.e. the parliament of Holland bossing). The Orangists won.
The position of stadtholder was only heriditary in the sense that almost only men from the noble Orange-Nassau family were appointed stadtholder by the provinces parliaments or there was no stadtholder appointed at all. The stadtholder would be the commander of the army and in charge of foreign policy. Most of them delivered for the Dutch, some spectacularly well.
They are related, but the current Dutch royal family is the product of the Napoleontic occupation and defeat, and the British wanting a buffer monarchy between itself and republican France. So it is a dynasty going back to the 1500's, but not a royal dynasty. They don't deliver for the Dutch anymore either.
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