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Both Dutch Protestants and catholics revolted against the religious persecution by the Spanish. They had every right to do so, not just because of it's immense slaughter and torture, but also because it went against the Dutch freedom of conscience. That wasn't propaganda, that was an experience the British didn't have. Those were just safely on their island being declared 'protestant' by their king, the Briish never had to protest the Spanish Inquistion or blood councils.
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Or simply living in fear?
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He's also looking into the numbers of Spanish Inquisition, in catholic Spain and doesn't include the inquisition in Spanish ruled lands which were less catholic. He also ignores that when you instill fear in people, you don't have to kill as much of them because many will submit.
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@Vishanti Which is a shame, because the story of the Spanish Inquisition behind the horrors of the Spanish Inquisition and how they went about procedurally makes it less flat and far more interesting. But the predetermined revisionist conclusion that it wasn't that bad messed the video up.
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@Vishanti Yes, also because the situation with the jews an muslims was quite calm, while the protestants where a huge threat and mostly not willing to admit they were wrong.
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No, the Pilgrim Fathers actually fled the freedom of reliigion in the Dutch Republic, the fact that they went back to England for the crossing doesn't change that. They were prudes who feared the influence on their children of protestants less uptight about the naughty bits.
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Few things more disgusting than an anglocentric Brit desperately trying to be politcally correct at the expense of Afrikaners by downplaying horrendous crimes. Apartheid is not the product of the Afrikaners, it is what came out of British colonialism. It was the Brits that wanted to take all the land and rule all the people, the Boers were colonized by them too, those were happy just farming their own land.
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You must be very inquisitive.
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@korstmahler That's an international trend, probably coming from the USA's racialized hisoriography. Just like portraying the Dutch revolt/80 years war for independence as just another religious war, it wasn't, it was a war for religious tolerance which the protestants could do when they ruled and the catholics couldn't. The 80-years war was probably the first war in which propaganda played a significant role, but the Inquisition part was very real. The fact that is was highly legalized in an orderly manner and did mild sanctioning too doesn't mean it wouldn't have been terrible for true protestants. Large scale prosecution of witches wasn't very protestant either, the English loved it but they do no represent protestantism of that time because they never protested anything. In the Netherlands witch prosecution almost ended with the end of catholic rule.
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@wessel754 The Spanish installed an inquisition, and later the council of troubles or blood council, doing about the same. That ended up in English propaganda, and was quite an accurate image of inquisition by Spanish rule, technically that is not the Spanish Inquisiton. That is what the English would have got if the Armada hadn't been fenced off or the Dutch not blocking the invasion troops. Dutch cities wanted to maintain autonomy, they claimed their ancient rights and privileges which included dealing with religious matters themselves, i.e. having religious tolerance and no inquisition. The medieval taxation not fitting an economy of traders and increased to finance the war and prosecution of their fellow people didn't help, but the freedom of conscience and therefor how to believe in god was codified in the Union of Utrecht. The Spanish were highly surprised about how unpopular the public torture and burnings at the stake were in the Netherlands, also in catholic eras. In Spain those drew huge enthousiastic crowds. There was just very little appetite for imposing religion.
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@Vishanti In think the converso imposters only challenged the authority of the church, the protestants challenged it's power alltogether. Their must have been a far bigger sense of urgency and a strong desire to instill fear in others by examples.
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