Comments by "Mosern1977" (@Mosern1977) on "Is NATO a threat? Russians speak out on the streets" video.

Actually after seeing these, I feel a bit sorry for the Russian population. It is being mind-fucked on TV every day, so it is totally confused.
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@johnbox271 - the closer a country has been to Russia, the more eager it is to join NATO. Cannot blame them, not everyone wants to get the "Russian liberation" treatment.
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There is very easy answer here. Russia gets out of Ukraine. Russia has all the security it can ever need, namely thousands of nukes. That's all there is to it. The more Russia behave like a drunken bully, the larger and more powerful NATO grows. If Russia had behaved like Sweden instead, peaceful and neutral, NATO would have dissolved and Russians would have finally experienced real prosperity and happiness.
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Yes, NATO "expansion" is a very real threat on their propaganda news. (Except for when Sweden and Finland joined, then it wasn't such a big deal afterwards. Even though with Finland onboard, they have massively extended their NATO border. )
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@etow8034 - hehe, and North Korea has 100% approval rating. Turns out that if you control the opposition and the media, you can get great approval ratings. As soon as you pass 40% approval rating, you can start question how free things are in a country.
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"Whole army of NATO"? The main bulk of it is the US army, so I'm not sure what you are talking about. Are you high?
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@erikeriksson3615 - well, if that was the case, were are the massive protests in Sweden over the NATO membership application? Pretty sure I would have picked those up, if they did happen.
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@andreimoutchkine5163 - this is like hearing somebody from North Korea talking about freedom. Russia doesn't have press freedom or most other freedoms for that matter, like any good old authoritarian state. Abortion and gun rights are non-issues in most Western countries. US is not the only country in the west.
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It is interesting for people in the West to see how normal Russians are conditioned to think, or rather how to double-think and not-think. Seems like about 25% are sane, 25% are afraid, and 50% are more or lest mentally lost. Younger people tend to be more in the 'sane' group, and the elderly more in the 'mentally lost' group, but exceptions happen.
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@66bigbuds you must be high. NATO only has a token amount of NATO owned equipment. Most equipment belongs to each country. NATO just coordinates the resources. US is the biggest and most important NATO member, and I'm saying this living in a small NATO country that doesn't have media owned by the world bank.
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Yes, but they don't speak English or any other language, and they only consume Russian TV. And they have never been abroad. So why would they ever get to see the real world?
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@etow8034 - we should all strive for comfortable lives.
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@etow8034 - you mean when a few people took an unguided tour of a government building in the US? It is very hard to overthrow a democracy without massive public support. Much easier to topple a dictatorship.
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@sigmasix3719 - don't even have a TV, so no. At least we have press-freedom in my country, and other freedoms as well.
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@fattony-yi2pu - this is Russian propaganda talking. Crimea is not recognized as anything but Ukrainian territory, snatched by Russia using military force. Nobody recognizes referendums done under military occupation and after deportation of the initial population. Russia has even held mock referendums in the eastern Ukrainian oblasts and annexed them into Russia, even without having military control over them. You cannot make that shit up. Why cannot Spain declare that Russian oblasts are Spanish now, and that Russia is attacking Spain? Same thing. There are ways to solve border-disputes peacefully and civilized - sending in Spetznaz and T-82 tanks is not one of them.
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@fattony-yi2pu - so here is the thing with your wall of text. It doesn't match up with reality - it is just bad excuses, half lies and half truths. 1. Which western democracy has the same rulers now than it had 20 years ago? Not USA, not Germany, not France, not any western country. Russia does however. What score does Russia have on any democracy indexes? 2. Russia did guarantee for Ukraine's security too, so that Ukraine would give up its nuclear arsenal that it inherited from USSR. Guess that didn't mean anything to Russia a few decades later. Ignoring deals is part of Russian foreign policy, guess why every eastern European country wants to be a NATO member. 3. Russia is attacking Ukraine, and annexing it, piece by piece. There is no denying that. NATO countries are supporting Ukraine as any country has the right to defend itself. 4. If Russia didn't want NATO close, then it shouldn't have attacked Ukraine. NATO will soon have borders a few kilometers from St. Petersburg. But NATO is a defensive agreement. NATO will not attack Russia, unless Russia attack NATO first. And I really hope Russia isn't stupid enough to do that.
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@flowname - how exactly does a small country defend itself from a big bullying and unstable state? It joins forces with others, as together they are strong. Alternatively they can get nukes. And as long as the military cooperation is defensive in nature, there is nothing to worry about.
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They won't unfortunately. Russians need a Tsar. They cannot handle a democracy. And as Tsars go, Putin used to do an OK job. But as with every person, power corrupts, and total power corrupts totally. And now the Russian and Ukrainian population must suffer.
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@MKTJ03 - The West doesn't like dictators, but tolerate dictators that are West-aligned. So if you are going to be a anti-western dictator, then either keep a low profile or get nukes.
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@The5As7 - it is 100 times better in the West. Are people still stupid and easily swayed in the West, absolutely - it is human nature. (Also the "West" is not a single entity, there are large differences between USA, Portugal, Sweden and France for example).
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@fjspicer1 - 5.000 you mean :) Russians don't get the real numbers. Those who understand that they are dumped full of bullshit have left the country already (if they are able). The brain drain to Russia is going to cost it more than this war can ever do.
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@nobodycares2164 - what fascist rulers are you talking about? Russia is the fascist country. Nobody in the west wanted any problems with Russia. The west wanted to trade with Russia and have peaceful relations. Russia is an aggressive imperialistic nation bullying everyone around it. That's why everyone close to it seek protection in NATO. Russia just pushed Sweden and Finland into NATO. Good job Putin, best recruiter for NATO.
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@nobodycares2164 - NATO killed 20 million people? Are you inventing facts now. Exactly what NATO missions was that, and were are those numbers from? Russians have killed Russians for centuries, the body count from last century is easy 50 million+. Gulags, heard of them?
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@user-is5it3be2q - yes Russians are able to access Western media, if they want to and are able to read English. As we in the West are able to read Russian news sites in Russian if we want to. Of course any informed Russian that supports attacking Ukraine should go to Ukraine and fight. Any informed Russian that does not support it should flee - and thankfully a lot did. When this is all over, the world would be a better place, as the evil Russians are fertilizing Ukrainian mud, and the good ones come back from abroad.
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@fattony-yi2pu - but not on Russia's history of bullying their neighbors. I guess that isn't really talked about in Russian history class.
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@fattony-yi2pu - seeing your response here, leads me to believe you get your information from sources that might not have the best track records in truthful reporting. Please look up the country of origin of this information in the freedom of press country listings and maybe, just maybe, there might be some issues with what you have been told. 'Demonic nazi regime...' care to elaborate on what that is? There is only one country in the world (guess which) that spews that line. Why is Russia afraid of NATO, doesn't Russia have a few thousand nukes ready to lay waste to all of NATO? It is not NATO expanding, it is countries willingly wanting to join NATO, because they feel threatened by Russia's behavior - seeking security in numbers. Thanks to Russia's invasion into Ukraine, Sweden and Finland wants to join NATO too. Every NATO country is re-arming to the teeth, especially Poland and for good reason. Nobody likes Russia killing neighbors, and nobody wants to be next.
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@fattony-yi2pu - so I do believe you live closer to this shitshow than me, as I live in a NATO country (not USA). I don't know if you are really interested in the truth, or only the truth that you find most comforting. Your statement: Russophobia has been increasing in NATO countries since the 90s? Is blatantly false. Whoever is telling you this is lying. After the USSR fell there was a genuine hope in the West that Russia would join the West, embrace democracy and rule of law. As you know by now this didn't happen in Russia. Even after the Russian invasion of Crimea in 2014 did the view of Russia not very much deteriorate. And Russia had a pretty decent standing in the West. (Not great, but decent). Quite a lot of westerners liked the more conservative views that Russia liked to spread into the West. Of course that all went downhill with Russias attack on Ukraine. As for 'not attacking civilians'... Well, I'm sure that's what you are being told, reality is different. Have you even looked at the Russian military's equipment and doctrine? It is an artillery army. How does a GRAD MLRS system work? It flattens entire square kilometers, by volley fire. There is nothing surgical about it. It is mass artillery fire, kills everything, and then the Russian infantry moves in. Rinse and repeat. It is brutal, but it works.
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@fattony-yi2pu - it is true that we don't get to see any Ukrainian atrocities here in the West - and I'm sure those happen as well. Rallying the people to war, like any good old fascist government isn't really hard when you have full control over the media and the political processes. Worked in Germany in 1930s, works in Russia in 2022. Since you clearly have access to the Internet and are able to read and write English, you should be able to see through the Russian government lies. I mean, its not really hard if you try. The truth, unlike the lie, is actually logically consistent over time. If B follows A, and B happens, then A was probably true. If C follows B, then it is even more likely that A was true. Of course if you are not interested in the truth, but just want to follow your motherland, whatever it does - then do that - that's what millions of Germans did in WW2. And they felt bad about it ever since.
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@fattony-yi2pu - you know WW2 is over 75+ years ago. And that all allied countries in Europe fought against the Nazis. After the war, the oppression and killing of Sovjet people continued under Stalin. Yes USSR was the hardest hit, but it was no saint itself. It is just sad how Russia has turned into darkness and fascism now. One "great leader", sending mobilized young men to die in a totally unjust and unneeded war of aggression towards another Slavic nation. A war that is only supported by North Korea (and 4 other shithole countries) - because any reasons you've latched on to are complete fabrications that no sane nation believes in. At the same time your government is suppressing freedoms and pumping everyone full of bullshit day in and out. At least you get a good idea of how it was to live in Germany in the mid-1930s. You do have Internet access, and can read what's actually going on, the Germans in 1930s couldn't. They could claim ignorance, you cannot.
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@fattony-yi2pu - could be, or the ones that hasn't fled/deported are more satisfied with Russia. But that's not how country borders work. Asking people if they would be more satisfied with a neighboring country running things, doesn't change borders. Germany is not entitled to Poland just because some Poles think that Germany is a better country. Norway isn't entitled to Russia, just because some Russians think Norway is better than Russia.
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@fattony-yi2pu - ok, so "Saving Russian Speakers" in other countries is right out of Nazi playbook. How do you think Austria and Czechoslovakia came under nazi-german occupation before ww2. Exact same thing. Uniting the German speaking people. It takes two seconds to spew bullshit, but a long time to debunk it. I can only do one Russian government bullshit statement at a time. So if you have a particular one that you want debunked, let me know. Russian soldiers has nothing to do on Ukrainian soil, doesn't matter what excuse Russia use for attacking and annexing Ukraine. This is pure Russian imperialism, and it is no joke for those being killed, raped and massacred by Russian soldiers. Your "great leader" has chosen fascism for Russia. There is a good reason nearly no other countries support Russia.
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@fattony-yi2pu - while it is true that Russia has had an ok ride under Putin, and he was/is popular (he used to be liked by a lot of people in the West too), this does not take away from the fact that Russia doesn't have a working democracy. As soon as any leader over time passes about 40-50% popularity you should know there is an issue. Nobody is this popular over time in a real democracy. Power corrupts, absolute power corrupts absolutely. Russians are much poorer than they should be due to rampant corruption and mis-management, and a lot of potential of Russia will now never happen. Its just sad. 2. So you mean it is ok for Russia to attack other smaller neighboring countries, if Russia just feels like it? Think for 2 seconds, and you'll figure out why every Eastern European country wants to join NATO as soon as they got the chance. Unlike Russia, NATO doesn't expand by force, you will have to apply for NATO membership, and only if all existing members find you worthy, will you be accepted. 3. USA did not attack neither Russia, nor Ukraine. Stop blaming USA for things that Russia does. USA is no saint, but two wrongs doesn't make one right. Russia attacked Ukraine, Russia is killing Ukrainians and forcing Ukrainians to kill Russians in defense. The war could be over tomorrow if Russia withdraws from Ukraine. 4. Ukraine had nuclear weapons - it gave them away in the 1990 to Russia. Are Russia afraid of Ukraine? Russia that has more nukes than any other country in the world? Russia that has 10 times the Ukrainian army? Saying Ukraine is, or ever was, a danger to Russia is just stupid, and you know it. Again with the USA this and that and whatnot - stop blaming USA for Russian issues. Doesn't matter what Taiwan and China does (hopefully nothing).
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@fattony-yi2pu - just what exactly do you mean by: "btw, no one bombs peaceful Ukrainians, unlike America" By peaceful, you mean civilian? Time to get a bit educated, because you must live in Russian propaganda bubble, unlike all other nations in the world that demand Russia to stop this war and the killing of civilians. Here is Russian rocket artillery. https://youtu.be/St1lbeBkTkc?t=94 Awesome stuff, kills everything. Soldiers, kids, women, dogs, worms, old, and sick included. So yeah, Ukrainian civilians die in the thousands by Russian unguided rocket artillery. USA is not bombing anything at the moment, so not sure what you talk about.
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@fattony-yi2pu - yes, of course. The Russian army is an artillery army, it is not a secret, its the main doctrine of the Russian army since Sovjet times. Russia has shit-ton of these systems, just look it up. Take a look at what was stuck in that long column when Kiev was to be invaded. Flatten the land with artillery, move in. Repeat. Hehe, if you think Ukrainians bomb their own civilians, instead of it being done by Russians, then you are far gone into Russian propaganda. What is more likely - Russian rocket artillery shows up, and cities goes to rubble. Or Ukrainians defending their country by bombing their own communities to pieces? I guess Japan nuked itself in 1945 by this logic.
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@fattony-yi2pu - you mean after the Russian army had flattened their villages and towns with MLRS systems, then the few civilians not already dead was propped up and given some "humanitarian aid" and shown of on Russian media. And then when Ukraine counter attacked to liberate the town the Russians got hit and then they whine about it? I'm just curious how it is to live in a world built on lies. For example: Putin said before the invasion, he wouldn't invade - of course a lie. And the lies are just endlessly streaming out from Russia. And can you tell me exactly what is the goal of the invasion? Was it to strengthen and expand NATO, arm Ukraine to the teeth with Western weapons, kill thousands upon thousands of Russians and Ukrainians, flatten entire Ukrainian cities, annex Ukrainian territory, get Russia to look bad and evil, re-invigorate EU, mobilize young Russians, send peaceful protesters to jail, etc. Because that's what has been achieved so far. Was this the plan all along?
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@fattony-yi2pu - wall of text hits me for 10 000 damage. Why do you rant about USA all the time. Is it some big scary monster that you are afraid of or something? I was asking - what is the goal of the invasion into Ukraine by Russia? Has your "great leader" explained this to you well enough, and how are things currently going to plan?
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@fattony-yi2pu - hehe, nice video. So you see a small group of 6-7 women (no men, because they are dying fighting to protect their land), give some gifts to a Russian APC that comes rushing in full speed, however its taking its time to stop and smile. Not staged at all... Please find something similar to this, but with Russian occupiers instead: https://www.youtube.com/embed/KufyJEG-auQ In any case this doesn't answer the real questions Russians like you should ask themselves - what is the real goal of the invasion, and how is it going? How come you don't know? <- Because there isn't any press freedom in your country. That's why.
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@auroraborealis9796 - well those who do should know the bullshit they are fed. And then those who can will take precautions to not end up in the slaughterhouse.
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@erikeriksson3615 - well, pretty sure national referendums are not a thing in Sweden. You have representative democracy. Meaning the representatives take the decisions for you. You and your friends would be a minute minority in Sweden. There is a clear pro NATO sentiment in the population, and I totally understand why.
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@chickenlover657 - since I'm not slavic, I probably don't understand the slavic mentality.
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@chickenlover657 - so what is the Slavic mentality doing then?
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2020 is 3 years ago soon.
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NATO is not a threat to Russia, unless of course Russia is planning on attacking NATO. Then NATO is a big threat to Russia.
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