Comments by "Nick Nolte" (@nicknolte8671) on "TIKhistory"
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The uploader cites the first volume of Richard J. Evans, but doesn't cite the second or the third volumes. I wonder why. Oh, that's right. Because the second volume completely contradicts what he's saying. You know. When Nazis actually come to power and start applying their agenda.
"All this had been achieved by a growing state direction of the economy which by 1939 had reached unprecedented proportions. Whatever the propaganda messages about the battle for work might claim, Nazi economic policy was driven by the overwhelming desire on the part of Hitler and the leadership, backed up by the armed forces, to prepare for war. Up to the latter part of 1936, this was conducted in a way that aroused few objections from business; when the Four-Year Plan began to come into effect, however, the drive for rearmament began to outpace the economy’s ability to supply it, and business began to chafe under a rapidly tightening net of restrictions and controls.
More ominously, private enterprise started to be outflanked by state-run enterprises founded and funded by a regime increasingly impatient with the priority accorded by capitalism to profit.
Yet none of this, whatever critics suspected, represented a return to the allegedly socialist principles espoused by the Nazis in their early days. Those principles had long been left behind, and in reality they were never socialist anyway. The Third Reich was never going to create total state ownership and centralized planning along the lines of Stalin’s Russia. The Darwinian principles that animated the regime dictated that competition between companies and individuals would remain the guiding principle of the economy, just as competition between different agencies of state and Party were the guiding principles of politics and administration."
Note that this book is actually peer-reviewed and cited over 900 times by academics. No one in academia will ever bother to review or cite this video.
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"only one capitalist funded Hitler prior to the seizure of power" - TIK
List of capitalists which gave Hitler 2 million Reichsmarks after he had said "Business was founded above all on the principles of personality and individual leadership. Democracy and [political] liberalism led inevitably to Social Democracy and Communism" at the Secret Meeting of February 20 1933:
23 February Bergbauverein: 200,000 Reichsmark
24 February Karl Hermann: 150,000 Reichsmark
Automobil-Ausstellung, Berlin: 100,000 Reichsmark
25 February Dir. A. Steinke: 200,000 Reichsmark
Demag: 50,000 Reichsmark
27 February Telefunken: 35,000 Reichsmark
Osram: 40,000 Reichsmark
28 February IG Farben: 400,000 Reichsmark
1 March Hjalmar Schacht: 125,000 Reichsmark
3 March Dir. Karl Lange, Engineering industry: 50,000 Reichsmark
Bergbauverein: 100,000 Reichsmark
Karl Hermann, Berlin Dessauer Str.: 150,000 Reichsmark
AEG: 60,000 Reichsmark
March 7 Fritz Springorum: 36,000 Reichsmark
Accumulatorenfabrik AG, Berlin (Owner: Günther Quandt): 25,000 Reichsmark
13 March Bergbauverein: 300,000 Reichsmark
Final Balance 2,071,000 Reichsmark
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Nazis were inspired by Oswald Spengler, who's basically a classical liberal.
"Spengler's Prussian socialism was popular amongst the German political right, especially the revolutionary right who had distanced themselves from traditional conservatism. His notions of Prussian socialism influenced Nazism and the Conservative Revolutionary movement."
"Historian Ishay Landa has described the nature of 'Prussian socialism' as decidedly capitalist. For Landa, Spengler strongly opposed labor strikes, trade unions, progressive taxation or any imposition of taxes on the rich, any shortening of the working day, as well as any form of government insurance for sickness, old age, accidents, or unemployment. At the same time as he rejected any social democratic provisions, Spengler celebrated private property, competition, imperialism, capital accumulation, and 'wealth, collected in few hands and among the ruling classes'. Landa describes Spengler's 'Prussian Socialism' as 'working a whole lot, for the absolute minimum, but — and this is a vital aspect — being happy about it.'"
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"In Spengler’s Prussian utopia, the workers can hence look forward to working even on Sunday. It need hardly be said that progressive taxation and political pressure to increase wages are detestable in Spengler’s eyes. He expends great energy in denouncing what he terms the current Lohndiktatur or Lohnbolschewismus (“wage-dictatorship” and “wage-bolshevism”) of the trade unions; similarly, in a 1924 lecture dedicated to the issue of taxation, he excoriates the imposition of taxes on the rich, which has become nothing short of a “question of life and death” (Spengler 1933c: 299).
He there equates the “West-European taxation policies” with “dry Bolshevism, which threatens to level down everything which protrudes above the masses” (309). In terms difficult to tell apart from those of a stringent economic liberal, he concludes this address by pressing to eliminate the political-democratic administration of taxation and—looking ahead to such organizations as The World Trade Organization or The International Monetary Fund?—to entrust all decisions on such matters to economic experts, a “world conference of insiders to the economic life.”
The more ‘just’ a tax is,” he avows, “the more unjust it is today. In the evaluation of such things the economy has the first word, not the jurist, the professional politician or the fiscal civil servant” (310)."
Source: Ishay Landa, "Sorceror's Apprentice"
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"only one capitalist funded Hitler prior to the seizure of power" - TIK
"Von Finck [Sr.] and other industrialists met Adolf Hitler for the first time on 3 February 1931 at Hotel Kaiserhof in Berlin. At that meeting von Finck and Schmitt committed 5 million Reichsmark, equivalent to today's €100 million, on behalf of Allianz to arm the SA in case of a leftist uprising. On 20 February 1933, Finck and other industrialists again met Hitler, who has been recently appointed chancellor, at a secret meeting and provided €3 million for his election campaign."
Source: Nicosia, Francis R.; Huener, Jonathan; Studies, University of Vermont Center for Holocaust (2004). Business and Industry in Nazi Germany
Von Finck Sr. was one of the richest men in Bavaria, whose heirs own half the Munich city center and much of the surrounding land. Von Finck Sr. himself actively lobbied for expropriation of Jewish property and bought multiple banks owned by the Jewish families way below market value. His heirs funded the Deutschland Kurier, a conservative publication supportive of AfD. In a meeting between Ernst Knut Stahl, an asset manager for August Von Finck Jr. and publishers in May 2017, Stahl said:
"There's danger ahead, there's a street in New York with lots of investment bankers, lawyers and so forth. Coincidentally, they are all Jews, but that's not relevant here. They want to push Germany into ruin. They control everything."
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Let's see... Capitalists bring about the biggest crisis of capitalism in history and then they seize power to save their own financial interests. Exactly what I was saying.
And they financed the fascists and Nazis and extreme nationalists (wHo AreN't rEalLy RaCisTs - lol, imagine claiming [extreme] nationalists aren't racist).
"From 1924 to 1929, the big business interests subsidized the fascist bands just enough to keep them from disappearing. They did not, in fact, have an immediate need for them and merely wanted to keep them in reserve. During these years, they were engaged in an enormous industrial reorganization with the aid of foreign capital. This enterprise demanded, temporarily, a policy of collaboration - collaboration abroad with the Entente, with Anglo-Saxon finance, and collaboration at home with the workers' organizations.
When the mark was definitively stabilized and the Dawes Plan came into effect, American capital began to flow into Germany. Until 1931, the "most enormous investment operation in financial history" was taking place, reaching the figure of 30 billion gold marks. However, this audacious operation ended in an economic catastrophe without precedent.
With dollars borrowed at very high rates, German industry expanded its productive machinery by a third, equipping itself to supply the needs of the whole world. But one thing was lacking: the consumer. At home, the purchasing power of wages rose much more slowly than the productive capacity; on the other hand, an increasingly large number of workers had been eliminated by "rationalization" and reduced to idleness. (This technological unemployment appeared as early as 1927, and in January 1929, there were already more than two million unemployed).
Finally, the ever-widening trustification, by permitting the big monopolies to raise sales prices arbitrarily, overwhelmed the consumer and reduced his purchasing power. But the magnates were counting above all on the foreign market; they cut their export prices to the bone and, at the expense of the domestic consumer, prepared to dump on a gigantic scale. And, suddenly, at the moment the new means of production were put into operation, when the finished products were beginning to pile up in the factories, the foreign buyer disappeared, and the world crisis began."
No wonder capitalists in the US supported the Nazi regime. They wanted to protect their own financial investments.
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"Besides the NSDAP deputies, those of the German National People’s Party, the Centre, the Bavarian People’s Party, the German State Party, the Christian Social People’s Service (Christlich-Sozialer Volksdienst) – a Protestant party – the German Farmers’ Party (Deutsche Bauernpartei) and the German People’s Party all voted for the Enabling Act. Only the deputies from the Social Democratic Party of Germany voted en bloc against the bill, in spite of the massive intimidation by the SA and SS, whose troops had moved in to surround the Kroll Opera House, where the Reichstag was now meeting."
Every single conservative and every single right-wing libertarian (read: classical liberal fraud) voted for Hitler to become a dictator at a time Hitler was throwing his political enemies in jail, exiling them and killing them. Individual freedom for me, but not for thee.
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"German big business had still another reason for financing these armed bands. German imperialism, arriving on the scene too late, had failed to carve out a new division of the world by force of arms. The Versailles Treaty had robbed it of raw materials and vital industrial regions (Lorraine, Silesia, the Saar, etc.) as well as of its colonial empire. Germany had been forced to disarm and to pay to the victors, under guise of "reparations," the astronomical sum of 132 billion gold marks.
The magnates of heavy industry pushed Germany into an aggressive and chauvinist foreign policy, (1) to recapture their lost markets, (2) to get rid of disarmament, which cut them off from a major source of profit, (3) to shake off the burden of reparations which weighed so heavily on their production costs. Acting over the head of the Reich government, they paid and armed gangs of war veterans and adventurers.
In June 1919, for example, they sent the "Baltikum" corps, 50,000 strong, to fight in Lithuania against the Soviet army. In 1923, their "volunteer corps" resisted the French occupation of the Ruhr. The "Black Reichswehr"—as these different squadrons were called—was formed to transform the official "passive resistance" of big business to democratic gains into "active resistance." On September 25, 1923, all these "combat leagues" were merged into a single organization, at the head of which was put Adolf Hitler."
Lol, Big Business was funding Hitler 10 years before he came to power.
"Fascism and Big Business", Daniel Guerin, started in 1934 and finished in 1936... That must give it enormous weight!
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@TheImperatorKnight "The governments, everywhere in the world, have since 1916 become more and more rapidly dependent on them and are obliged to obey their orders if they do not wish to be overthrown. These brutal interventions in the structure and meaning of economic life they must either accept or carry out themselves. . . . The natural centre of gravity of the economic body, the economic judgment of the real experts, was replaced by an artificial, non-expert, party-political one. . .
Have not the men with creative economic talents, those who sustain private economic enterprise, been sacrificed to this dictatorship . . .? (Spengler 1980: 145–6)."
LOL
Another classical liberal fraud. Course, they all voted for Hitler's Enabling Act. Just like all of the conservatives, who were right-wing. You're not going to fool anyone.
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@johnnonamegibbon3580 "I am talking about the 'Jewish evacuation': the extermination of the Jewish people.
It is one of those things that is easily said. 'The Jewish people is being exterminated,' every Party member will tell you, "perfectly clear, it's part of our plans, we're eliminating the Jews, exterminating them, ha!, a small matter.'"
-- Himmler, Posen, 1943. You can listen to the audio tapes on YouTube.
Kid, I've been debunking Holocaust deniers for well over 15 years.
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@peanutlover5998 "GROUPS OF INTERESTED PRIVATE PARTIES EXERCISES STATE POWER"
Written by 2 German economic historians with PhDs, published in an economic journal and cited 76 times.
TIK's video - cited 0 times and will never be cited.
"First, one has to keep in mind that Nazi ideology held entrepreneurship in high regard. Private property was considered a precondition to developing the creativity of members of the German race in the best interest of the people. Therefore, it is not astonishing that Otto Ohlendorf, an enthusiastic National Socialist and high-ranking SS officer, who since November 1943 held a top position in the Reich Economics Minostry, did not like Speer's system of industrial production at all. He strongly criticized the cartel-like organization of the war economy where groups of interested private parties exercised state power to the detriment of the small and medium entrepreneur. For the postwar period he therefore advocated a clear separation of the state from private enterprises with the former establishing a general framework for the activity of the latter. In his opinion it was the constant aim of National Socialist economic policy, 'to restrict as little as possible the creative activities of the individual. . . . Private property is the natural precondition to the development of personality. Only private property is able to further the continuous attachment to a certain work.'"
Otto Ohlendorf, an economist, was actually hanged in 1951 for his role in the Holocaust. Alas, he was a tru(tm) believer of capitalism.
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He's an ancap, or a neo-feudalist. Funny you should mention Hayek.
"Well, I would say that, as long-term institutions, I am totally against dictatorships. But a dictatorship may be a necessary system for a transitional period. At times it is necessary for a country to have, for a time, some form or other of dictatorial power. As you will understand, it is possible for a dictator to govern in a liberal way. And it is also possible for a democracy to govern with a total lack of liberalism. Personally I prefer a liberal dictator to democratic government lacking liberalism. My personal impression — and this is valid for South America — is that in Chile, for example, we will witness a transition from a dictatorial government to a liberal government. And during this transition it may be necessary to maintain certain dictatorial powers, not as something permanent, but as a temporary arrangement."
"Libertarians" aka, classical liberal frauds would rather have a fascist dictatorship with a liberal economy than a democracy without one.
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"Spengler's Prussian socialism was popular amongst the German political right, especially the revolutionary right who had distanced themselves from traditional conservatism. His notions of Prussian socialism influenced Nazism and the Conservative Revolutionary movement."
"Historian Ishay Landa has described the nature of 'Prussian socialism' as decidedly capitalist. For Landa, Spenger strongly opposed labor strikes, trade unions, progressive taxation or any imposition of taxes on the rich, any shortening of the working day, as well as any form of government insurance for sickness, old age, accidents, or unemployment. At the same time as he rejected any social democratic provisions, Spengler celebrated private property, competition, imperialism, capital accumulation, and 'wealth, collected in few hands and among the ruling classes'. Landa describes Spengler's 'Prussian Socialism' as 'working a whole lot, for the absolute minimum, but — and this is a vital aspect — being happy about it.'"
No wonder why every conservative and right-wing libertarian voted for Hitler's Enabling Act.
Republicans support every single one of these points.
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@TheImperatorKnight "Yet Spengler does not stop at that. Under his terms, not only are Marx, Bebel or Bernstein unacceptable, but the welfare policies of the great Prussian Prince Bismarck, whom Spengler greatly admires, are nonetheless equally to be excluded from Prussian Socialism. From an utmost Social Darwinist position, Spengler argues against any form of insurance, since “Every human being has, like every animal, to defend himself against the incalculable workings of destiny—or to submit to them. Each has his own personal cares, full responsibility for himself, and must inevitably make his own decisions in all dangers threatening himself and his aims.” He who for whatever reason fails to cope with the trials and tribulations of existence must “bear the consequences and beg or go under in any other way he pleases. Such is life.” Hence the decadence and “shrinking vitality” embodied in “the craving to insure oneself, against old age, accident, sickness, unemployment” (Spengler 1980: 151)"
Against welfare and against government insurance. Amazing. I wonder who espouses these beliefs today.
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@TheImperatorKnight “The sublime term “free trade” is part and parcel of Viking economics. The Prussian, i.e., socialist term would be “state control of the exchange of goods.” This assigns to trade a subordinate rather than a dominant role within the complex of economic activity. We can understand why Adam Smith harbored a hatred of the state and the “cunning beasts called statesmen.” Indeed, government officials must have the same effect on tradesmen as policemen on burglars and naval cruisers on the crews of private ships.” (Spengler, "Prussianism and Socialism," p44.)"
Oh mi gosh... He's literally praising free trade here as being "part and parcel of Viking economics", i.e. what he associates Germany with. He's criticizing socialists for their term which rightly describe "free trade" for what it is - something controlled by the state. He then goes on to quote Adam Smith and praise him, because Spengler is basically a classical liberal. He's railing against the heavy hand of the state as well.
Read it again, this time very, very slowly. The sublime term... Do you think he's being ironic or what? It's also quite clear he's actually agreeing with Adam Smith here. "We can understand why Adam Smith harbored a hatred of the state and the 'cunning beasts called statesmen.'"
Why are you quoting excerpts from the book which undermine your position?
Again, read the quote above.
"The governments, everywhere in the world, have since 1916 become more and more rapidly dependent on them and are obliged to obey their orders if they do not wish to be overthrown. These brutal interventions in the structure and meaning of economic life they must either accept or carry out themselves. . . . The natural centre of gravity of the economic body, the economic judgment of the real experts, was replaced by an artificial, non-expert, party-political one. . .Have not the men with creative economic talents, those who sustain private economic enterprise, been sacrificed to this dictatorship . . .? (Spengler 1980: 145–6).'"
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@TheImperatorKnight "“English-style capitalism is the only true counterpart to Marxist socialism. The regulation of economic affairs by the state, a Prussian idea, transformed German capitalism instinctively into a socialist economic pattern. The first step in this process was the protective tariff legislation of 1879. The large syndicates were, in effect, economic states within the state.” (Spengler, "Prussianism and Socialism," p44.)"
He's criticizing what he perceives as a "weak" German state here which gave way to "trade unions" and "socialists" and "syndicates". You lack basic reading comprehension. He hates the fact syndicates had that much power.
Your boy Spengler was against taxes, for free trade, against socialism, against unions, against syndicates and entirely for capitalism.
You either don't know how to comprehend what's being written or you are incredibly dishonest.
"High culture is inseparably bound up with luxury and wealth. . . . And wealth, collected in few hands and among the ruling classes, is among other things the prerequisite for the education of generations of leading-minds through the model of a highly developed environment without which there is no healthy economic life and no development of political capacity (109)."
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Hayek did much the same:
"Well, I would say that, as long-term institutions, I am totally against dictatorships. But a dictatorship may be a necessary system for a transitional period. At times it is necessary for a country to have, for a time, some form or other of dictatorial power. As you will understand, it is possible for a dictator to govern in a liberal way. And it is also possible for a democracy to govern with a total lack of liberalism. Personally I prefer a liberal dictator to democratic government lacking liberalism. My personal impression — and this is valid for South America — is that in Chile, for example, we will witness a transition from a dictatorial government to a liberal government. And during this transition it may be necessary to maintain certain dictatorial powers, not as something permanent, but as a temporary arrangement."
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The markets can never be free as long as society is "uniquely influenced by merchants and manufacturers". (Adam Smith)
Also Adam Smith:
"The interest of the dealers, however, in any particular branch of trade or manufacture, is always in some respects different from, and even opposite to, that of the public. To widen the market and to narrow the competition, is always the interest of the dealers. To widen the market may frequently be agreeable enough to the interest of the public; but to narrow the competition must always be against it, and can serve only to enable the dealers, by raising their profits above what they naturally would be, to levy, for their own benefit, an absurd tax upon the rest of their fellow-citizens.
The proposal of any new law or regulation of commerce which comes from this order, ought always to be listened to with great precaution, and ought never to be adopted till after having been long and carefully examined, not only with the most scrupulous, but with the most suspicious attention. It comes from an order of men, whose interest is never exactly the same with that of the public, who have generally an interest to deceive and even to oppress the public, and who accordingly have, upon many occasions, both deceived and oppressed it.”
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You know, the same "merchants and manufacturers" which decided it was time to end democracy in Germany and proclaim Hitler a dictator:
"The Industrielleneingabe (German: Industrial petition) was a petition signed by 19 representatives of industry, finance, and agriculture on November 19, 1932 that requested for German President Paul von Hindenburg to make Adolf Hitler the German Chancellor."
"At the February meeting [Secret Meeting of February 20, 1933 between Hitler and 25 industrialists in Hermann Goering's villa], the I.G. Farben executives gave the Nazis 400,000 marks, and a total of 4.5 million marks by the end of 1933, according to 'The Crime and Punishment of I.G. Farben'. This infusion of corporate cash saved the Nazi Party from financial disaster. The rest, as they say, is history — tragic, tragic history."
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No wonder all the classical liberals voted for Hitler's Enabling Act.
Here's one of the guys that's considered more sane among their kind, Hayek:
"Well, I would say that, as long-term institutions, I am totally against dictatorships. But a dictatorship may be a necessary system for a transitional period. At times it is necessary for a country to have, for a time, some form or other of dictatorial power. As you will understand, it is possible for a dictator to govern in a liberal way. And it is also possible for a democracy to govern with a total lack of liberalism. Personally I prefer a liberal dictator to democratic government lacking liberalism. My personal impression — and this is valid for South America — is that in Chile, for example, we will witness a transition from a dictatorial government to a liberal government. And during this transition it may be necessary to maintain certain dictatorial powers, not as something permanent, but as a temporary arrangement."
-- "El Mercurio" (p. D8-D9), 12 April 1981, Santiago de Chile
Note that this newspaper was financed by the US and actively fought to bring Pinochet to power.
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@davidrush333 "Spengler's Prussian socialism was popular amongst the German political right, especially the revolutionary right who had distanced themselves from traditional conservatism. His notions of Prussian socialism influenced Nazism and the Conservative Revolutionary movement."
"Historian Ishay Landa has described the nature of 'Prussian socialism' as decidedly capitalist. For Landa, Spenger strongly opposed labor strikes, trade unions, progressive taxation or any imposition of taxes on the rich, any shortening of the working day, as well as any form of government insurance for sickness, old age, accidents, or unemployment. At the same time as he rejected any social democratic provisions, Spengler celebrated private property, competition, imperialism, capital accumulation, and 'wealth, collected in few hands and among the ruling classes'. Landa describes Spengler's 'Prussian Socialism' as 'working a whole lot, for the absolute minimum, but — and this is a vital aspect — being happy about it.'"
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@kingorange7739 Nazism is a form of fascism, doofus.
"A second cause has to do with the conviction even in the highest ranks of the Nazi elite that private property itself provided important incentives to achieve greater cost consciousness, efficiency gains, and technical progress. The principle that Four Year Plan projects were to be executed as far as possible by private industry was explicitly motivated in the following way: 'It is important to maintain the free initiative of industry. Only in that case can one expect to be successful.'" Some time earlier a similar consideration was expressed: 'Private companies, which are in charge of the plants to be constructed, should to a large extent invest their own means in order to secure a responsible management.' During the war Goering said it always was his aim to let private firms finance the aviation industry so that private initiative would be 'strengthened.' Even Adolf Hitler frequently made clear his opposition in principle to any bureaucratic managing of the economy, because that, by preventing the natural selection process, would 'give a guarantee to the preservation of the weakest average [sic] and represent a burden to the higher ability, industry and value, thus being a cost to the general welfare.'"
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@peanutlover5998 This is why TIK's fanboys and he himself distance Nazism from fascism. Because his whole inane thesis collapses once we realize that Nazis were planning to go to war since day 1 after coming to power, which means they shifted to an economy that was supposed to accomplish exactly that.
By 1936, Nazi Germany was busy spending 10% of GNP on rearmament efforts and by 1939, 60% of the government's budget went to these efforts, resulting in huge deficits. We can what fascism looked like before mobilizing for war though:
"Mussolini, a leading member of the Italian Socialist Party (Partito Socialista Italiano) before World War I, became a fierce antisocialist after the war. After coming to power, he banned all Marxist organizations and replaced their trade unions with government-controlled corporatist unions. Until he instituted a war economy in the mid-1930s, Mussolini allowed industrialists to run their companies with a minimum of government interference. Despite his former anticapitalist rhetoric, he cut taxes on business, permitted cartel growth, decreed wage reduction, and rescinded the eight-hour-workday law. Between 1928 and 1932 real wages in Italy dropped by almost half. Mussolini admitted that the standard of living had fallen but stated that “fortunately the Italian people were not accustomed to eating much and therefore feel the privation less acutely than others.”
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Hayek:
"Well, I would say that, as long-term institutions, I am totally against dictatorships. But a dictatorship may be a necessary system for a transitional period. At times it is necessary for a country to have, for a time, some form or other of dictatorial power. As you will understand, it is possible for a dictator to govern in a liberal way. And it is also possible for a democracy to govern with a total lack of liberalism. Personally I prefer a liberal dictator to democratic government lacking liberalism. My personal impression — and this is valid for South America — is that in Chile, for example, we will witness a transition from a dictatorial government to a liberal government. And during this transition it may be necessary to maintain certain dictatorial powers, not as something permanent, but as a temporary arrangement."
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@cheapbongs "After this confession of his belief in the superior race of factory-owners and directors, Hitler went on to declare that rentability must always be the standard of the industry (how differently Gregor Strasser thought on this point!), and when Otto Strasser contradicted him and praised the autarchy of a nationalist economist system, Hitler abruptly interrupted him and said: "That is nothing more than wretched theorism and dilettantism. Do you really believe that we can ever separate ourselves from international trade and finance? On the contrary, our task is to undertake an immense organization of the whole world in which each land shall produce what it requires most and in which the white race -- the Nordic race -- shall take the leading part in administering and carrying out this vast plan. Believe me, National Socialism would not be worth anything if it were to be confined to Germany and did not secure the rule of the superior race over the whole world for at least one or two thousand years.
At this point Gregor Strasser, who had been listening to the discussion, declared that economic autarchy must unquestionably be the aim of National Socialism. Hitler beat a retreat. Yes, he agreed that autarchy must be the ultimate objective in, say, a century. Today, however, it was impossible to cut loose from the international economic system. Once again Strasser let fall the word "Socialism." Hitler replied: "The word 'Socialism' is in itself a bad word. But it is certainly not to be taken as meaning that industry must be socialized, and only to mean that it could be socialized if industrialists were to act contrary to the national interests. As long as they do not do that it would be little short of a crime to destroy the existing economic system." "
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@cheapbongs According to your logic, the US is not a capitalist country.
"I mean, study after study, has revealed the obvious - namely that the American support and aid correlates with, essentially, the improvement of the investment clime. If a country is willing to open itself to our penetration and control, our access to resources, allow our corporations to repatriate profits, we will support them. Doesn't matter what kind of regime they have.
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The United States is opposed, naturally, to any attempt on the part of any society to use resources for its own purposes, instead of to integrate itself into what we call an "open world" system, which means a system that's open to American economic penetration and political control. If any society deviates from that, whether it's capitalist, fascist, communist, the, you know, democratic or whatever, the United States will be opposed to it."
- Chomsky
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@cheapbongs "At the February meeting [Secret Meeting of February 20, 1933 between Hitler and 25 industrialists in Hermann Goering's villa], the I.G. Farben executives gave the Nazis 400,000 marks, and a total of 4.5 million marks by the end of 1933, according to 'The Crime and Punishment of I.G. Farben'. This infusion of corporate cash saved the Nazi Party from financial disaster. The rest, as they say, is history — tragic, tragic history."
Please enlighten us on why IG Farben gave the Nazi Party 4.5 million Reichsmarks before the 1933 elections, which saved the Nazi Party from bankruptcy.
Because IG Farben became one of the biggest private companies in the world during the Nazi regime. Corporate profitability shot up 4 times when comparing the years 1928 and 1938. War is profitable. The Nazis immediately planned for war. By 1936, they were spending 10% of GNP on rearmament efforts and by 1939 60% of the government's budget. War is profitable.
Please enlighten us on why big business in the US traded and financed the Nazis so much, the US Congress had to make a law against it ("Trading with the Enemy Act of 1939").
Please enlighten us on why big business in the US ran a pro-Nazi newspaper.
There's more of this stuff, of course...
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@rudybrooks7624 Nice, parroting actual Nazi propaganda.
Maybe you ought to stop believing Nazi propaganda.
"A good many paragraphs of the party program were obviously merely a demagogic appeal to the mood of the lower classes at a time when they were in bad straits and were sympathetic to radical and even socialist slogans. Point 11, for example, demanded abolition of incomes unearned by work; Point 12, the nationalization of trusts; Point 13, the sharing with the state of profits from large industry; Point 14, the abolishing of land rents and speculation in land. Point 18 demanded the death penalty for traitors, usurers and profiteers, and Point 16, calling for the maintenance of “a sound middle class,” insisted on the communalization of department stores and their lease at cheap rates to small traders. These demands had been put in at the insistence of Drexler and Feder, who apparently really believed in the 'socialism' of National Socialism. They were the ideas which Hitler was to find embarrassing when the big industrialists and landlords began to pour money into the party coffers, and of course nothing was ever done about them." - William L. Shirer, "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich"
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@chiefbrody7506 Trump's a fascist and if you still support him, you are a fascist as well.
Parties that voted (unanimously at that) for Hitler to become a dictator (Enabling Act of 1933):
-The German National People's Party was a national-conservative party in Germany during the Weimar Republic. Before the rise of the Nazi Party, it was the major conservative and nationalist party in Weimar Germany. It was an alliance of nationalists, reactionary monarchists, völkisch and antisemitic elements supported by the Pan-German League.
-Centre [Catholic] Party (Ideology - Social conservatism)
-Bavarian People's Party (branch of the Centre Party, Ideology - Social conservatism, Conservatism)
-"The Christian Social People's Service was a Protestant conservative political party in the Weimar Republic."
-The German People's Party (Ideology - National liberalism, Civic nationalism, Conservative liberalism, Constitutional monarchism, Economic liberalism)
Notice a pattern? All right-wingers and all conservatives.
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Here are some facts the uploader doesn't want to hear.
The Nazis wanted to privatize industries vital to the war effort during the war itself, that's how ideologically blinded they were.
"A second cause has to do with the conviction even in the highest ranks of the Nazi elite that private property itself provided important incentives to achieve greater cost consciousness, efficiency gains, and technical progress. The principle that Four Year Plan projects were to be executed as far as possible by private industry was explicitly motivated in the following way: 'It is important to maintain the free initiative of industry. Only in that case can one expect to be successful." Some time earlier a similar consideration was expressed: 'Private companies, which are in charge of the plants to be constructed, should to a large extent invest their own means in order to secure a responsible management.' During the war Goering said it always was his aim to let private firms finance the aviation industry so that private initiative would be 'strengthened.' Even Adolf Hitler frequently made clear his opposition in principle to any bureaucratic managing of the economy, because that, by preventing the natural selection process, would 'give a guarantee to the preservation of the weakest average [sic] and represent a burden to the higher ability, industry and value, thus being a cost to the general welfare.'"
Know why the uploader's lying? Because he's a "libertarian" or at least calls himself one (he's nothing but a classical liberal fraud). So why the lie? Because every single conservative and classical liberal fraud voted for Hitler to become a dictator. That's why.
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Two Nazis so far referenced this video to me to say that Nazism was really socialism. Of course, that's nothing but Nazi propaganda.
"Berlin, November 22, 1943.
In Munich, the well-known Pan-Germanic pioneer, the National Socialist author and journalist, Count Ernst zu Reventlow, died at the age of 74. With the passing of Reichstag Deputy Count Ernst zu Reventlow on November 20, the National Socialist movement has lost one of its earliest and most valuable protagonists. [...]
Source: 'Graf Reventlow gestorben,' VB-Sud, November 23,1943, p. 2.
Count Reventlow was already accountable to every German - before and during the First World War - for his animal lusting after power. The heavy suffering and damage brought about by Kaiser Wilhelm II owed much to Reventlow’s concept of the German Empire’s superiority. This type of person, with his exaggerated nationalistic convictions, generates intolerance, arrogance, strife, and war. The organizations that established themselves by saber rattling and caused the entire world to go after Germany prayed to power and identified war as a healing agent for the people. They even went so far as to declare war was decreed by God, and a long period of peace would be a national mishap for Germany.
This Count Reventlow (formerly a naval officer) was a warmonger, war fanatic, and glorifier of war, who brutally championed the right of the strongest, and therefore always demanded a 'vigorous' foreign politics. This chauvinist did not fall victim to the people’s anger in the revolutionary days of 1918, and that encouraged Reventlow to reshape his politics into a more presentable form for the people. Like every other extreme national politician, he found his way to the National Socialist German Workers’ Party. He, the scion of old hereditary nobility, from then on embraced 'socialism'! It was plain to be seen the NSDAP leaders intended to shape their socialism into a special format; otherwise these noblemen would not have so completely gone over to them.
National Socialism is the greatest swindle of all times, using the word 'socialism' in its name to beguile the working masses. I once read (in 1933 or 1934) an article by Count Reventlow in a trade union newspaper, where he said the workers before 1933 had been blinded and deceived by their union leaders! Of all people, the Count an advisor to the German workplace!"
Friedrich Kellner
It's now wonder every conservative (social and economic), every classical liberal, the Protestant and Catholic parties voted for Hitler.
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@KameradVonTurnip How did they regret it if many of them joined the Nazi Party?
"The conservatives and reactionaries had their greatest triumph when the common worker gave up and sank to the level of a slave. The A to Z of this “socialist” creation was to craftily draw the “Old Fighters” away from the capitalistic class. The Nazis offered unimagined possibilities, with Hitler impressing the upper classes with fairy tales about world domination: a vision to which the German has absolutely no resistance.
So the largest military buildup of all times came about and, of course, the desired war. The German people will someday sleep off this intoxication, but the hangover will not go away as easily. When the curtain finally opens and the theater is visible to the audience without impostors and stage directors, there will be a frightful awakening.
Never in the history of a nation have the guilty ones been more evident than now. It may be that one or the other bandit will have a higher degree of blame, but in general it is the entire bunch that is guilty. In my view the people of industry and the military officers will be at the head of the line. With few exceptions, they went through thick and thin with Hitler and gave him counsel." - Friedrich Kellner, July 27, 1941, "Mein Wiederstand" (My Opposition)
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@KameradVonTurnip Nazis banned abortion and later punished it with death. They also closed down birth control centers and curtailed access to contraceptives.
I wonder who argues for such things, in say, modern US.
"The Nazis' rigorous enforcement of section 218 followed logically from the high regard they had for motherhood. In the first five years of the regime, convictions under section 218 increased by 50%, while birth control centers were shut down and access to contraception was curtailed. During World War II, the Nazis called for the death penalty for repeat offenders against section 218. While the Nazis imposed a very strict anti-abortion scheme for healthy 'Aryans,' they allowed and encouraged abortion if either of the parents was believed to carry hereditary defects. The Nazis further undermined family planning by strictly enforcing existing prohibitions on the display and advertising of contraception. On May 26, 1933, the Nazis re-introduced the prohibitions on publicity or education regarding abortion or abortifacients that had been abolished during the Weimar Republic. Doctors were understandably anxious about referring patients for therapeutic abortions in such circumstances, and the number of referrals declined from about 44,000 in 1932 to 4,131 in 1937."
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@KameradVonTurnip Economic liberalism or fiscal conservativism is a right-wing position.
Nazism opposes political liberalism vehemently.
Spengler, the intellectual which influenced the Nazis and other right-wing revolutionaries and conservative extremists:
"Facing the demagogic trend, [political] liberalism is the form of suicide committed by our sick society. With this perspective it gives itself up. The merciless, embittered class war that is waged against it finds it ready to capitulate politically, after having helped spiritually to forge the enemy’s weapons.
"Only the conservative element, weak as it was in the 19th century, can and will in the future, prevent the coming of this end (125)." What Spengler refers to as “conservatism” is thus simply a means to shelter liberal society from itself, rescue the economic order from the suicidal tendencies of its politically liberal “protectors.”
Like Donoso, Spengler palpably shows how “conservatism” and “anti-liberalism” are not necessarily motivated by opposition to capitalism or a longing for the socioeconomic order predating it, but can come precisely to succor the economic liberal order in its hour of greatest need. Conservatives are thus willing to toss out the bathwater of political liberalism to save the baby of capitalism."
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@kingorange7739 "Well, I would say that, as long-term institutions, I am totally against dictatorships. But a dictatorship may be a necessary system for a transitional period. At times it is necessary for a country to have, for a time, some form or other of dictatorial power. As you will understand, it is possible for a dictator to govern in a liberal way. And it is also possible for a democracy to govern with a total lack of liberalism. Personally I prefer a liberal dictator to democratic government lacking liberalism. My personal impression — and this is valid for South America — is that in Chile, for example, we will witness a transition from a dictatorial government to a liberal government. And during this transition it may be necessary to maintain certain dictatorial powers, not as something permanent, but as a temporary arrangement."
--Hayek
(and he was considered to be one of the more moderate right-wing "libertarians")
So capitalists are willing to resort to fascism to save the economic liberal order. Just what I was claiming.
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You've been parroting N\zi propaganda for years? Why? Unwittingly or wittingly?
"When I think back on these many doleful figures and place-seekers who altered their own views and became Hitler followers to obtain material things, I know that respectable people can feel only shame for such men: a totally sad chapter of self-serving rogues.
Leaders within the large industries and banks, the nobility, major farmers, teachers, public officials, all these noble characters who showed little understanding for [the laborers in] the social process before 1933, were suddenly converted and transformed and became spirited supporters of the National Socialist German Workers’ Party (NSDAP). White-collar and blue-collar workers [Stirn und Faust] went arm-in-arm. Meaningless phrases were thrashed around day and night until the laborers lost their backbone, forgot their political schooling, and gave up their independent work spirit. The conservatives and reactionaries had their greatest triumph when the common worker gave up and sank to the level of a slave. The A to Z of this “socialist” creation was to craftily draw the “Old Fighters” away from the capitalistic class. The Nazis offered unimagined possibilities, with Hitler impressing the upper classes with fairy tales about world domination: a vision to which the German has absolutely no resistance. So the largest military buildup of all times came about and, of course, the desired war.
The German people will someday sleep off this intoxication, but the hangover will not go away as easily. When the curtain finally opens and the theater is visible to the audience without impostors and stage directors, there will be a frightful awakening. Never in the history of a nation have the guilty ones been more evident than now.
It may be that one or the other bandit will have a higher degree of blame, but in general it is the entire bunch that is guilty. In my view the people of industry and the military officers will be at the head of the line. With few exceptions, they went through thick and thin with Hitler and gave him counsel."
Friedrich Kellner, July 27, 1941
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@stefanlaskowski6660 You got your definitions all mixed up.
"Right-wing politics supports the view that certain social orders and hierarchies are inevitable, natural, normal, or desirable, typically supporting this position on the basis of natural law, economics, or tradition. Hierarchy and inequality may be seen as natural results of traditional social differences or competition in market economies."
So, the Aryan race is above all else in N/zism. To sin and pervert the so-called "Aryan" race is to commit the greatest sin, as Hitler said.
"Strasser said that he did deny it: National Socialism was an idea which was still in evolution, and in that evolutionary process Hitler certainly played a specially important role. The 'idea' itself was Socialism. Here Hitler interrupted Strasser by declaring that this so-called Socialism was nothing but pure Marxism. There was no such thing as a capitalist system. A factory-owner was depended upon his workmen. If they went on strike, then his so-called property became utterly worthless. At this point Hitler turned to his neighbour Amann and said: 'What right have these people to demand a share in property or even in the administration? Herr Amann, would you permit your typist to have any voice in your affairs? The employer who accepts the responsibility for production also gives the workpeople their means of livelihood. Our greatest industrialists are not concerned with the acquisition of wealth or with good living, but, above all else, with responsibility and power. They have worked their way to the top by their own abilities, and this proof of their capacity -- a capacity only displayed by a higher race--gives them the right to lead."
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@ptbuse21 Nice, you make up your own definition so capitalism can never exist in authoritarian societies. An inherently exploitative, tyrannical system, whose policy is most influenced by "merchants and manufacturers" (this bit I quote from the "father of capitalism", Adam Smith), which promotes hierarchy, i.e. inequality can never possibly lead to authoritarianism, especially not to protect the interests of "merchants and manufacturers".
As Plato wrote 24 centuries ago, a sophist may convince a crowd of laymen that he knows what's better for their health, but he'll never convince a crowd of doctors.
Corporate profits shot up 4 times when comparing years 1928 and 1938 and stock performance in Germany was only second to GB in Europe. My poor, subjugated private companies that were toiling under duress. No wonder why industrialists were tried and convicted in IG Farben, Krupp and Flick trials. No wonder why industrialists in the US support the N/zis and financed them -- it was to protect their own investments in Germany.
CP was banned by the N/zis and only the SPD (social democrats) voted against the N/zis. Your conservative and classical liberal chums all voted for N/zis. Own it.
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"Spengler's Prussian socialism was popular amongst the German political right, especially the revolutionary right who had distanced themselves from traditional conservatism. His notions of Prussian socialism influenced Nazism and the Conservative Revolutionary movement."
"Historian Ishay Landa has described the nature of 'Prussian socialism' as decidedly capitalist. For Landa, Spengler strongly opposed labor strikes, trade unions, progressive taxation or any imposition of taxes on the rich, any shortening of the working day, as well as any form of government insurance for sickness, old age, accidents, or unemployment. At the same time as he rejected any social democratic provisions, Spengler celebrated private property, competition, imperialism, capital accumulation, and 'wealth, collected in few hands and among the ruling classes'. Landa describes Spengler's 'Prussian Socialism' as 'working a whole lot, for the absolute minimum, but — and this is a vital aspect — being happy about it.'"
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"The Hunger Plan (German: der Hungerplan; der Backe-Plan) was a plan developed by Nazi Germany during World War II to seize food from the Soviet Union and give it to German soldiers and civilians; the plan entailed the death by starvation of millions of "racially inferior" Slavs following Operation Barbarossa, the 1941 invasion of the Soviet Union. The premise behind the Hunger Plan was that Germany was not self-sufficient in food supplies, and to sustain the war and keep up the domestic morale it needed to obtain the food from conquered lands at any cost. It was an engineered famine, planned and implemented as an act of policy. This plan was developed during the planning phase for the Wehrmacht (German Armed Forces) invasion and provided for diverting of the Ukrainian food stuffs away from central and northern Russia and redirecting them for the benefit of the invading army and the population in Germany. The plan resulted in the deaths of millions of people.The plan as a means of mass murder was outlined in several documents, including one that became known as Göring's Green Folder, which quoted a number of "20 to 30 million" expected Russian deaths from "military actions and crises of food supply."
"The Barbarossa Decree, formulated by the German army's legal office and issued by Adolf Hitler, declares that punishable acts committed by civilians will not be handled by military courts.
Instead, unlawful enemy fighters are to be summarily shot; where the perpetrators of anti-German activity cannot be found, entire villages are to be liquidated in their stead. Criminal acts committed by Germans against civilians will not automatically lead to punishment.
The text of Wilhelm Keitel's order reads:
"...Russian civilians suspected of offenses against German troops should be shot or ruthlessly punished without a military trial, and that the prosecution of German soldiers for offenses against Russian civilians was not required."
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@vl8962 Word for word Republican conservative agenda.
"Spengler's Prussian socialism was popular amongst the German political right, especially the revolutionary right who had distanced themselves from traditional conservatism. His notions of Prussian socialism influenced Nazism and the Conservative Revolutionary movement."
"Historian Ishay Landa has described the nature of 'Prussian socialism' as decidedly capitalist. For Landa, Spengler strongly opposed labor strikes, trade unions, progressive taxation or any imposition of taxes on the rich, any shortening of the working day, as well as any form of government insurance for sickness, old age, accidents, or unemployment. At the same time as he rejected any social democratic provisions, Spengler celebrated private property, competition, imperialism, capital accumulation, and 'wealth, collected in few hands and among the ruling classes'. Landa describes Spengler's 'Prussian Socialism' as 'working a whole lot, for the absolute minimum, but — and this is a vital aspect — being happy about it.'"
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@vl8962 Banning abortion, banning birth control centers. Wonder who does that in the US.
"The Nazis' rigorous enforcement of section 218 followed logically from the high regard they had for motherhood. In the first five years of the regime, convictions under section 218 increased by 50%, while birth control centers were shut down and access to contraception was curtailed. During World War II, the Nazis called for the death penalty for repeat offenders against section 218. While the Nazis imposed a very strict anti-abortion scheme for healthy 'Aryans,' they allowed and encouraged abortion if either of the parents was believed to carry hereditary defects. The Nazis further undermined family planning by strictly enforcing existing prohibitions on the display and advertising of contraception. On May 26, 1933, the Nazis re-introduced the prohibitions on publicity or education regarding abortion or abortifacients that had been abolished during the Weimar Republic. Doctors were understandably anxious about referring patients for therapeutic abortions in such circumstances, and the number of referrals declined from about 44,000 in 1932 to 4,131 in 1937."
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@vl8962 "Facing the demagogic trend, [political] liberalism is the form of suicide committed by our sick society. With this perspective it gives itself up. The merciless, embittered class war that is waged against it finds it ready to capitulate politically, after having helped spiritually to forge the enemy’s weapons.
"Only the conservative element, weak as it was in the 19th century, can and will in the future, prevent the coming of this end (125)." What Spengler refers to as “conservatism” is thus simply a means to shelter liberal society from itself, rescue the economic order from the suicidal tendencies of its politically liberal “protectors.”
Like Donoso, Spengler palpably shows how “conservatism” and “anti-liberalism” are not necessarily motivated by opposition to capitalism or a longing for the socioeconomic order predating it, but can come precisely to succor the economic liberal order in its hour of greatest need. Conservatives are thus willing to toss out the bathwater of political liberalism to save the baby of capitalism."
Conservatives are willing to do away with democracy and resort to fascism to rescue capitalism, or the economic liberal order. Or what's known in the US as the fiscal conservative order.
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@vl8962 "Cutting back on welfare payments was only part of a wider strategy. Urging the German people to engage in self-help instead of relying on payouts from the state carried with it the implication that those who could not help themselves were dispensable, indeed a positive threat to the future health of the German people. The racially unsound, deviants, criminals, the ‘asocial’ and the like were to be excluded from the welfare system altogether. As we have seen, by 1937-8 members of the underclass, social deviants and petty criminals were being arrested in large numbers and put into concentration camps since they were regarded by the Nazis as being of no use to the regime. In the end, therefore, as soon as rearmament had soaked up the mass of the unemployed, the Nazis’ original scepticism about the benefits of social welfare reasserted itself in the most brutal possible way."
Source: The Third Reich in Power, Richard J. Evans
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"After this confession of his belief in the superior race of factory-owners and directors, Hitler went on to declare that rentability must always be the standard of the industry (how differently Gregor Strasser thought on this point!), and when Otto Strasser contradicted him and praised the autarchy of a nationalist economist system, Hitler abruptly interrupted him and said: "That is nothing more than wretched theorism and dilettantism. Do you really believe that we can ever separate ourselves from international trade and finance? On the contrary, our task is to undertake an immense organization of the whole world in which each land shall produce what it requires most and in which the white race -- the Nordic race -- shall take the leading part in administering and carrying out this vast plan. Believe me, National Socialism would not be worth anything if it were to be confined to Germany and did not secure the rule of the superior race over the whole world for at least one or two thousand years.
At this point Gregor Strasser, who had been listening to the discussion, declared that economic autarchy must unquestionably be the aim of National Socialism. Hitler beat a retreat. Yes, he agreed that autarchy must be the ultimate objective in, say, a century. Today, however, it was impossible to cut loose from the international economic system. Once again Strasser let fall the word "Socialism." Hitler replied: "The word 'Socialism' is in itself a bad word. But it is certainly not to be taken as meaning that industry must be socialized, and only to mean that it could be socialized if industrialists were to act contrary to the national interests. As long as they do not do that it would be little short of a crime to destroy the existing economic system." "
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@cheapbongs Oh, good, 25 points of the Nazi Party program, a program that was actually famous for - wait for it - not being implemented.
So you're uncritically parroting 100-year old Nazi propaganda.
"A good many paragraphs of the party program were obviously merely a demagogic appeal to the mood of the lower classes at a time when they were in bad straits and were sympathetic to radical and even socialist slogans. Point 11, for example, demanded abolition of incomes unearned by work; Point 12, the nationalization of trusts; Point 13, the sharing with the state of profits from large industry; Point 14, the abolishing of land rents and speculation in land. Point 18 demanded the death penalty for traitors, usurers and profiteers, and Point 16, calling for the maintenance of “a sound middle class,” insisted on the communalization of department stores and their lease at cheap rates to small traders.
These demands had been put in at the insistence of Drexler and Feder, who apparently really believed in the 'socialism' of National Socialism. They were the ideas which Hitler was to find embarrassing when the big industrialists and landlords began to pour money into the party coffers, and of course nothing was ever done about them."
-- William L. Shirer, "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich"
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@hobbso8508 "Rather than seeing Hitler’s system as a departure from the way of West, it makes more sense to conceive of Nazism as a fanatic, die-hard attempt to pursue the logic of Western 19th century capitalism to its utmost conclusion, to go all the way, rejecting the contemptuous compromises of the bourgeoisie with socialism."
Nazism didn't happen in a vacuum. Vernichtungskrieg, or the war of annihilation, was practiced by Germans long before the Nazis even existed (Herero and Namaqua genocide). (And the Austrian army in WWI, guess who served in it.) The Barbarossa Decree and the Partisan Order during WWII echo Germans killing French peasants indiscriminately during the War of 1870. Imperialism is a core component of capitalism.
Hitler raving about England:
"Different nations [of the white race] secured this hegemonic position in different ways: in the most ingenious way England, which always opened up new markets and immediately fastened them politically . . . Other nations failed to reach this goal, because they squandered their spiritual energies on internal ideological—formerly religious—struggles. . . . At the time that Germany, for instance, came to establish colonies, the inner mental approach [Gedankengang], this utterly cold and sober English approach to colonial ventures, was partly already superseded by more or less romantic notions: to impart to the world German culture, to spread German civilization—things which were completely alien to the English at the time of colonialism (Hitler in Domarus 1973, vol. 1: 76)."
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@ranickhaan "After this confession of his belief in the superior race of factory-owners and directors, Hitler went on to declare that rentability must always be the standard of the industry (how differently Gregor Strasser thought on this point!), and when Otto Strasser contradicted him and praised the autarchy of a nationalist economist system, Hitler abruptly interrupted him and said: "That is nothing more than wretched theorism and dilettantism. Do you really believe that we can ever separate ourselves from international trade and finance? On the contrary, our task is to undertake an immense organization of the whole world in which each land shall produce what it requires most and in which the white race -- the Nordic race -- shall take the leading part in administering and carrying out this vast plan. Believe me, National Socialism would not be worth anything if it were to be confined to Germany and did not secure the rule of the superior race over the whole world for at least one or two thousand years.
At this point Gregor Strasser, who had been listening to the discussion, declared that economic autarchy must unquestionably be the aim of National Socialism. Hitler beat a retreat. Yes, he agreed that autarchy must be the ultimate objective in, say, a century. Today, however, it was impossible to cut loose from the international economic system. Once again Strasser let fall the word "Socialism." Hitler replied: "The word 'Socialism' is in itself a bad word. But it is certainly not to be taken as meaning that industry must be socialized, and only to mean that it could be socialized if industrialists were to act contrary to the national interests. As long as they do not do that it would be little short of a crime to destroy the existing economic system." "
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@oscartang4587u3
"On September 25, 1923, all these "combat leagues" were merged into a single organization, at the head of which was put Adolf Hitler."
"it was dissolved in 1923 ... on 1 October 1923"
Are you having trouble with dates and chronology again? October comes after September. September 25, 1923 came before 1 October 1923.
January, February, March, April, May, June, July, August, September, October, November, December
So they were dissolved after a failed putsch. I wonder who tried a putsch a month a later on Nov 8-9 1923. Oh, right, it was Hitler.
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@oscartang4587u3 Who cares who was the leader of the Kustrin Putsch?
"The Kampfbund ("Battle-league") was a league of nationalist fighting societies and the German National Socialist Party in Bavaria, Germany, in the 1920s. It included Adolf Hitler's Nazi Party (NSDAP) and its Sturmabteilung (SA), the Oberland League and the Bund Reichskriegsflagge. Hitler was its political leader, while Hermann Kriebel led its militia.
The league was created on 1–2 September 1923 at Nuremberg, where Hitler joined other nationalist leaders to celebrate Sedantag, which marked the anniversary of the Prussian victory over France in 1870. The purpose was to consolidate and streamline their agendas and also prepare to take advantage of the split between Bavaria and the central government. The impetus for this consolidation was the declaration a few days earlier by the Berlin central government announcing the end to the resistance against the French occupation of the Ruhr, whose apparent capitulation infuriated the nationalists and freebooters. The Kampfbund conducted the Beer Hall Putsch of November 1923 in Munich, Germany."
I wonder what happened before October 1 1923.
"On 26 September 1923, following a period of turmoil and political violence, Bavarian Prime Minister Eugen von Knilling declared a state of emergency and Gustav von Kahr was appointed Staatskommissar, or state commissioner, with dictatorial powers to govern the state. In addition to von Kahr, Bavarian state police chief Colonel Hans Ritter von Seisser and Reichswehr General Otto von Lossow formed a ruling triumvirate. Hitler announced that he would hold 14 mass meetings beginning on 27 September 1923. Afraid of the potential disruption, one of Kahr's first actions was to ban the announced meetings. Hitler was under pressure to act. The Nazis, with other leaders in the Kampfbund, felt they had to march upon Berlin and seize power or their followers would turn to the Communists."
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@TheImperatorKnight Uhh, libertarianism? "Anarcho"-capitalism is a libertarian ideology. Right-wing libertarianism is really just classical liberalism in disguise. The racist Rothbard admitted that libertarians stole the term from left-wingers, just like you classical liberal frauds appropriated the term "anarchism"... I wonder who else tried to appropriate terms from the leftists...
“Meanwhile, on February 20, 1920, the German Workers’ Party changed its name to the National Socialist German Workers’ Party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeitpartei, called the NSDAP or Nazi Party). Hitler did not like the addition of the term “Socialist” but acquiesced because the executive committee thought it might be helpful in attracting workers from the left.”
— Samuel Mitcham, “Why Hitler?”
Samuel Mitcham, who by the by, is known for his apologia of the German armed forces as well as for his neo-Confederate views (he also shares that with Rothbard, who believed in the "Lost Cause" myth; Confederacy was basically a proto-fascist society by the way).
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@TheImperatorKnight Apparently you never heard of the Secret Meeting of February 20 1933 after which capitalists gave the Nazis 2 million Reichsmarks.
I thought you had read Tooze, what gives?
23 February Bergbauverein: 200,000 Reichsmark
24 February Karl Hermann: 150,000 Reichsmark
Automobil-Ausstellung, Berlin: 100,000 Reichsmark
25 February Dir. A. Steinke: 200,000 Reichsmark
Demag: 50,000 Reichsmark
27 February Telefunken: 35,000 Reichsmark
Osram: 40,000 Reichsmark
28 February IG Farben: 400,000 Reichsmark
1 March Hjalmar Schacht: 125,000 Reichsmark
3 March Dir. Karl Lange, Engineering industry: 50,000 Reichsmark
Bergbauverein: 100,000 Reichsmark
Karl Hermann, Berlin Dessauer Str.: 150,000 Reichsmark
AEG: 60,000 Reichsmark
March 7 Fritz Springorum: 36,000 Reichsmark
Accumulatorenfabrik AG, Berlin (Owner: Günther Quandt): 25,000 Reichsmark
13 March Bergbauverein: 300,000 Reichsmark
Final Balance 2,071,000 Reichsmark
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@chiefbrody7506 Word for word Republican agenda.
"Spengler's Prussian socialism was popular amongst the German political right, especially the revolutionary right who had distanced themselves from traditional conservatism. His notions of Prussian socialism influenced Nazism and the Conservative Revolutionary movement."
"Historian Ishay Landa has described the nature of 'Prussian socialism' as decidedly capitalist. For Landa, Spengler strongly opposed labor strikes, trade unions, progressive taxation or any imposition of taxes on the rich, any shortening of the working day, as well as any form of government insurance for sickness, old age, accidents, or unemployment. At the same time as he rejected any social democratic provisions, Spengler celebrated private property, competition, imperialism, capital accumulation, and 'wealth, collected in few hands and among the ruling classes'. Landa describes Spengler's 'Prussian Socialism' as 'working a whole lot, for the absolute minimum, but — and this is a vital aspect — being happy about it.'"
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It's the so-called Prussian socialism.
"Spengler's Prussian socialism was popular amongst the German political right, especially the revolutionary right who had distanced themselves from traditional conservatism. His notions of Prussian socialism influenced Nazism and the Conservative Revolutionary movement."
"Historian Ishay Landa has described the nature of 'Prussian socialism' as decidedly capitalist. For Landa, Spenger strongly opposed labor strikes, trade unions, progressive taxation or any imposition of taxes on the rich, any shortening of the working day, as well as any form of government insurance for sickness, old age, accidents, or unemployment. At the same time as he rejected any social democratic provisions, Spengler celebrated private property, competition, imperialism, capital accumulation, and 'wealth, collected in few hands and among the ruling classes'. Landa describes Spengler's 'Prussian Socialism' as 'working a whole lot, for the absolute minimum, but — and this is a vital aspect — being happy about it.'"
It's patently clear what this is. Modern day conservatism/"libertarianism" aka, fascism.
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@chloeturner1414 Parties that voted (unanimously at that) for Hitler to become a dictator (Enabling Act of 1933):
-The German National People's Party was a national-conservative party in Germany during the Weimar Republic. Before the rise of the Nazi Party, it was the major conservative and nationalist party in Weimar Germany. It was an alliance of nationalists, reactionary monarchists, völkisch and antisemitic elements supported by the Pan-German League.
-Centre [Catholic] Party (Ideology - Social conservatism)
-Bavarian People's Party (branch of the Centre Party, Ideology - Social conservatism, Conservatism)
-"The Christian Social People's Service was a Protestant conservative political party in the Weimar Republic."
-The German People's Party (Ideology - National liberalism, Civic nationalism, Conservative liberalism, Constitutional monarchism, Economic liberalism)
Notice a pattern? All right-wingers and all conservatives.
Now, why would conservatives and right-wingers vote for left-wing socialists? Why did the actual socialists vote against the Enabling Act, unanimously, while the Reichstag was surrounded by Brownshirts?
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Wanna know why the uploader is spreading Nazi propaganda?
"Spengler's Prussian socialism was popular amongst the German political right, especially the revolutionary right who had distanced themselves from traditional conservatism. His notions of Prussian socialism influenced Nazism and the Conservative Revolutionary movement."
"Historian Ishay Landa has described the nature of 'Prussian socialism' as decidedly capitalist. For Landa, Spenger strongly opposed labor strikes, trade unions, progressive taxation or any imposition of taxes on the rich, any shortening of the working day, as well as any form of government insurance for sickness, old age, accidents, or unemployment. At the same time as he rejected any social democratic provisions, Spengler celebrated private property, competition, imperialism, capital accumulation, and 'wealth, collected in few hands and among the ruling classes'. Landa describes Spengler's 'Prussian Socialism' as 'working a whole lot, for the absolute minimum, but — and this is a vital aspect — being happy about it.'"
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@spencerjohnson5871 Germany was supposed to be a global (capitalist) hegemony, not Britain. Germany was also supposed to preempt the US from becoming a global hegemony after WWII. In the eyes of the Germans, Berlin was supposed to be the world's financial center and not London or New York.
"After this confession of his belief in the superior race of factory-owners and directors, Hitler went on to declare that rentability must always be the standard of the industry (how differently Gregor Strasser thought on this point!), and when Otto Strasser contradicted him and praised the autarchy of a nationalist economist system, Hitler abruptly interrupted him and said: "That is nothing more than wretched theorism and dilettantism. Do you really believe that we can ever separate ourselves from international trade and finance? On the contrary, our task is to undertake an immense organization of the whole world in which each land shall produce what it requires most and in which the white race -- the Nordic race -- shall take the leading part in administering and carrying out this vast plan. Believe me, National Socialism would not be worth anything if it were to be confined to Germany and did not secure the rule of the superior race over the whole world for at least one or two thousand years.
At this point Gregor Strasser, who had been listening to the discussion, declared that economic autarchy must unquestionably be the aim of National Socialism. Hitler beat a retreat. Yes, he agreed that autarchy must be the ultimate objective in, say, a century. Today, however, it was impossible to cut loose from the international economic system. Once again Strasser let fall the word "Socialism." Hitler replied: "The word 'Socialism' is in itself a bad word. But it is certainly not to be taken as meaning that industry must be socialized, and only to mean that it could be socialized if industrialists were to act contrary to the national interests. As long as they do not do that it would be little short of a crime to destroy the existing economic system."
rentability = capitalism
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@KameradVonTurnip I wonder who's against welfare:
"Cutting back on welfare payments was only part of a wider strategy. Urging the German people to engage in self-help instead of relying on payouts from the state carried with it the implication that those who could not help themselves were dispensable, indeed a positive threat to the future health of the German people. The racially unsound, deviants, criminals, the ‘asocial’ and the like were to be excluded from the welfare system altogether. As we have seen, by 1937-8 members of the underclass, social deviants and petty criminals were being arrested in large numbers and put into concentration camps since they were regarded by the Nazis as being of no use to the regime. In the end, therefore, as soon as rearmament had soaked up the mass of the unemployed, the Nazis’ original scepticism about the benefits of social welfare reasserted itself in the most brutal possible way."
Source: The Third Reich in Power, Richard J. Evans
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"Spengler's Prussian socialism was popular amongst the German political right, especially the revolutionary right who had distanced themselves from traditional conservatism. His notions of Prussian socialism influenced Nazism and the Conservative Revolutionary movement."
"Historian Ishay Landa has described the nature of 'Prussian socialism' as decidedly capitalist. For Landa, Spengler strongly opposed labor strikes, trade unions, progressive taxation or any imposition of taxes on the rich, any shortening of the working day, as well as any form of government insurance for sickness, old age, accidents, or unemployment. At the same time as he rejected any social democratic provisions, Spengler celebrated private property, competition, imperialism, capital accumulation, and 'wealth, collected in few hands and among the ruling classes'. Landa describes Spengler's 'Prussian Socialism' as 'working a whole lot, for the absolute minimum, but — and this is a vital aspect — being happy about it.'"
No wonder every single right-wing and conservative party in the Reichstag unanimously voted for Hitler's Enabling Act.
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"Cutting back on welfare payments was only part of a wider strategy. Urging the German people to engage in self-help instead of relying on payouts from the state carried with it the implication that those who could not help themselves were dispensable, indeed a positive threat to the future health of the German people. The racially unsound, deviants, criminals, the ‘asocial’ and the like were to be excluded from the welfare system altogether. As we have seen, by 1937-8 members of the underclass, social deviants and petty criminals were being arrested in large numbers and put into concentration camps since they were regarded by the Nazis as being of no use to the regime. In the end, therefore, as soon as rearmament had soaked up the mass of the unemployed, the Nazis’ original scepticism about the benefits of social welfare reasserted itself in the most brutal possible way."
Source: The Third Reich in Power, Richard J. Evans
A conservative utopia and something promoted by conservatives even today.
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@oscartang4587u3 "Over the following three weeks Schacht received contributions from seventeen different business groups. The largest individual donations came from IG Farben (400,000 Reichsmarks) and the Deutsche Bank (200,000 Reichsmarks). The association of the mining industry also made a generous deposit of 400,000 Reichsmarks. Other large donors included the organizers of the Berlin Automobile Exhibition (100,000 Reichsmarks) and a cluster of electrical engineering corporations including Telefunken, AEG and the Accumu-latoren Fabrik. In the years that followed, the Adolf Hitler Spende was to become institutionalized as a regular contribution to the maintenance of Hitler’s personal expenses. In practical terms, however, it was the donations in February and March 1933 that really made the difference. They provided a large cash injection at a moment when the party was severely short of funds and faced, as Goering had predicted, the last competitive election in its history."
--Wages of Destruction, Adam Tooze
Why did die Deutsche Bank give the Nazis 200,000 Reichsmarks prior to the elections in March 1933? Because they wanted a return to a dictatorship. And Hitler was supposed to be the tool that accomplished that. You know, the guy who said in a newspaper interview in 1922 that he would hang every Jew in Munich and left them to "rot until the principles of hygiene permitted". And then he would do that to the rest of the Jews in Germany...
Were capitalists stupid or suicidal? Nope. They knew what they were doing.
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@oscartang4587u3 "Besides the NSDAP deputies, those of the German National People’s Party, the Centre, the Bavarian People’s Party, the German State Party, the Christian Social People’s Service (Christlich-Sozialer Volksdienst) – a Protestant party – the German Farmers’ Party (Deutsche Bauernpartei) and the German People’s Party all voted for the Enabling Act. Only the deputies from the Social Democratic Party of Germany voted en bloc against the bill, in spite of the massive intimidation by the SA and SS, whose troops had moved in to surround the Kroll Opera House, where the Reichstag was now meeting."
Literally all right-wing parties, conservatives, economic liberals, monarchists, Protestant parties and 2 Catholic parties which were instructed to vote for Hitler to expand the power and influence of the Catholic Church in Germany.
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@oscartang4587u3 No, you don't need to quote everything again as you are simply wrong. Capitalists funded the Nazis to be the "masters in their own house".
"Fascism and Big Business", page 44
"For a few days, the magnates of heavy industry felt the chill of expropriation pass over them. But they recovered quickly and their fright merely intensified their desire for revenge, merely strengthened their determination to take back the concessions they had been forced to make.
In February 1919, Stinnes said: "Big business and all those who rule over industry will someday recover their influence and power. They will be recalled by a disillusioned people, half dead with hunger, who will need bread and not phrases." Fritz Thyssen said (1924): "Democracy with us represents-nothing."
The former minister Dernberg spoke out for the big employers: "Every eight-hour day is a nail in Germany's coffin!" Big business remained deeply hostile to the "shop committees," pale caricature though these were of the "councils" of 1918. It sabotaged the so-called "socialization" laws. It gave lip service only to the idea of "collaborating" with its employees. The industrialists looked forward to the time when each would be "master in his own house.""
No wonder the Nazis repealed the eight-hour workday and started paying workers by piecemeal (completed work) instead of by the hour.
For Thyssen, who "was the only capitalist who funded Hitler" (patent and blatant falsehoods spread by the author of this video), democracy represented "nothing". The same with TIK. He hates democracy.
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@HaveButOneLife The answer is, they didn't:
"Cutting back on welfare payments was only part of a wider strategy. Urging the German people to engage in self-help instead of relying on payouts from the state carried with it the implication that those who could not help themselves were dispensable, indeed a positive threat to the future health of the German people. The racially unsound, deviants, criminals, the ‘asocial’ and the like were to be excluded from the welfare system altogether. As we have seen, by 1937-8 members of the underclass, social deviants and petty criminals were being arrested in large numbers and put into concentration camps since they were regarded by the Nazis as being of no use to the regime. In the end, therefore, as soon as rearmament had soaked up the mass of the unemployed, the Nazis’ original scepticism about the benefits of social welfare reasserted itself in the most brutal possible way."
Source: The Third Reich in Power, Richard J. Evans
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@HaveButOneLife Why were industrialists tried and convicted in Nuremberg for their role in the Nazi regime, Holocaust, for the use of slave labor as well as war crimes and crimes against humanity (Krupp, IG Farben and Flick trials)?
"At the February meeting [Secret Meeting of February 20, 1933 between Hitler and 25 industrialists in Hermann Goering's villa], the I.G. Farben executives gave the Nazis 400,000 marks, and a total of 4.5 million marks by the end of 1933, according to 'The Crime and Punishment of I.G. Farben'. This infusion of corporate cash saved the Nazi Party from financial disaster. The rest, as they say, is history — tragic, tragic history."
Were the industrialists stupid or what? Were they suicidal? Nope. Corporate profitability shot up 4 times when comparing the years 1928 and 1938.
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"On Monday, 20 February 1933, at 6.00 p.m., a group of about twenty-five businessmen were summoned to attend a private meeting in the villa of Hermann Goering, now acting as president of the Reichstag, at which Hitler, the Reich Chancellor, was to ‘explain his policies’.
[... (list of industrialist attendees)]
Hitler instead launched into a general survey of the political situation. As in his national address on 1 February, his central theme was the turning point in German history marked by the defeat and revolution of 1918. The experience of the last fourteen years had shown that ‘private enterprise cannot be maintained in the age of democracy’. Business was founded above all on the principles of personality and individual leadership. Democracy and liberalism led inevitably to Social Democracy and Communism. After fourteen years of degeneration, the moment had now come to resolve the fatal divisions within the German body politic. Hitler would show no mercy towards his enemies on the left. It was time ‘to crush the other side completely’." - Adam Tooze, "Wages of Destruction"
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@macias7125 You need a history lesson:
"As Southerners became increasingly isolated, they reacted by becoming more strident in defending slavery. The institution was not just a necessary evil: it was a positive good, a practical and moral necessity. Controlling the slave population was a matter of concern for all Whites, whether they owned slaves or not. Curfews governed the movement of slaves at night, and vigilante committees patrolled the roads, dispensing summary justice to wayward slaves and whites suspected of harboring abolitionist views. Laws were passed against the dissemination of abolitionist literature, and the South increasingly resembled a police state. A prominent Charleston lawyer described the city’s citizens as living under a 'reign of terror.'
"Shortly after Lincoln’s election, Presbyterian minister Benjamin Morgan Palmer, originally from Charleston, gave a sermon entitled, 'The South Her Peril and Her Duty.' He announced that the election had brought to the forefront one issue – slavery – that required him to speak out. Slavery, he explained, was a question of morals and religion, and was now the central question in the crisis of the Union. The South, he went on, had a 'providential trust to conserve and to perpetuate the institution of slavery as now existing.' The South was defined by slavery, he observed.'It has fashioned our modes of life, and determined all of our habits of thought and feeling, and molded the very type of our civilization.' Abolition, said Palmer, was 'undeniably atheistic.' The South 'defended the cause of God and religion,' and nothing 'is now left but secession.'"
Basically, southern conservatives were a bunch of proto-fascists.
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@macias7125 Your fallacy is called the genetic fallacy.
"The genetic fallacy (also known as the fallacy of origins or fallacy of virtue) is a fallacy of irrelevance that is based solely on someone's or something's history, origin, or source rather than its current meaning or context. This overlooks any difference to be found in the present situation, typically transferring the positive or negative esteem from the earlier context. In other words, a claim is ignored in favor of attacking or championing its source."
The parties switched sides. There were some conservatives that opposed slavery, to be sure, but the vast majority of slave-owners were conservatives. As well as those that advocated for slavery and advocated for the US to invade other countries and propagate slavery there.
Secret document from Nixon's White House, "Dividing the Democrats", from October 5 1971, outlining Republican agenda, among other things:
"ETHNIC/RELIGIOUS
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4) Black Complaints: As we did with Muskie we should continue to champion the cause of the Blacks within the Democratic Party; elevate their complaints of 'being taken for granted.'"
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@macias7125 The left voted to bring slavery to the US? When? In the 17th century, when the US didn't even exist?
Kid, are you sure you graduated from high school?
The Spanish decided to bring slaves to work on plantations in North, Central and South America because "black and indigenous populations would better bear the heat". They also used the Bible to justify slavery.
After that, the British conducted slave raids in colonial America, in which they captured tens of thousands of Native Americans.
You don't even know the most basic political positions. Right-wing politics posit that hierarchy (so, slavery at one time) is "normal, natural and/or desirable" based on "tradition, market forces, natural law, authority".
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@macias7125 "Economic liberals commonly adhere to a political and economic philosophy which advocates a restrained fiscal policy and the balancing of budgets, through measures such as low taxes, reduced government spending, and minimized government debt. Free trade, deregulation of the economy, lower taxes, privatization, labour market flexibility, and opposition to trade unions are also common positions. Economic liberalism follows the same philosophical approach as classical liberalism and fiscal conservatism."
Word for word Republican positions:
"Mussolini, a leading member of the Italian Socialist Party (Partito Socialista Italiano) before World War I, became a fierce antisocialist after the war. After coming to power, he banned all Marxist organizations and replaced their trade unions with government-controlled corporatist unions. Until he instituted a war economy in the mid-1930s, Mussolini allowed industrialists to run their companies with a minimum of government interference. Despite his former anticapitalist rhetoric, he cut taxes on business, permitted cartel growth, decreed wage reduction, and rescinded the eight-hour-workday law. Between 1928 and 1932 real wages in Italy dropped by almost half. Mussolini admitted that the standard of living had fallen but stated that “fortunately the Italian people were not accustomed to eating much and therefore feel the privation less acutely than others.”
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@macias7125 Nazis banned abortion and birth control centers, just like conservatives all over the United States are doing:
"The Nazis' rigorous enforcement of section 218 followed logically from the high regard they had for motherhood. In the first five years of the regime, convictions under section 218 increased by 50%, while birth control centers were shut down and access to contraception was curtailed. During World War II, the Nazis called for the death penalty for repeat offenders against section 218. While the Nazis imposed a very strict anti-abortion scheme for healthy 'Aryans,' they allowed and encouraged abortion if either of the parents was believed to carry hereditary defects. The Nazis further undermined family planning by strictly enforcing existing prohibitions on the display and advertising of contraception. On May 26, 1933, the Nazis re-introduced the prohibitions on publicity or education regarding abortion or abortifacients that had been abolished during the Weimar Republic. Doctors were understandably anxious about referring patients for therapeutic abortions in such circumstances, and the number of referrals declined from about 44,000 in 1932 to 4,131 in 1937."
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@macias7125 Nazis were opposed to welfare. Guess who's opposed to welfare in the US? Oh, right, conservatives.
"Cutting back on welfare payments was only part of a wider strategy. Urging the German people to engage in self-help instead of relying on payouts from the state carried with it the implication that those who could not help themselves were dispensable, indeed a positive threat to the future health of the German people. The racially unsound, deviants, criminals, the ‘asocial’ and the like were to be excluded from the welfare system altogether. As we have seen, by 1937-8 members of the underclass, social deviants and petty criminals were being arrested in large numbers and put into concentration camps since they were regarded by the Nazis as being of no use to the regime. In the end, therefore, as soon as rearmament had soaked up the mass of the unemployed, the Nazis’ original scepticism about the benefits of social welfare reasserted itself in the most brutal possible way."
Source: The Third Reich in Power, Richard J. Evans
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@John2r1 Adam Smith: "The interest of the dealers, however, in any particular branch of trade or manufacture, is always in some respects different from, and even opposite to, that of the public. To widen the market and to narrow the competition, is always the interest of the dealers. To widen the market may frequently be agreeable enough to the interest of the public; but to narrow the competition must always be against it, and can serve only to enable the dealers, by raising their profits above what they naturally would be, to levy, for their own benefit, an absurd tax upon the rest of their fellow-citizens.
The proposal of any new law or regulation of commerce which comes from this order, ought always to be listened to with great precaution, and ought never to be adopted till after having been long and carefully examined, not only with the most scrupulous, but with the most suspicious attention. It comes from an order of men, whose interest is never exactly the same with that of the public, who have generally an interest to deceive and even to oppress the public, and who accordingly have, upon many occasions, both deceived and oppressed it.”
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@vl8962 "As Southerners became increasingly isolated, they reacted by becoming more strident in defending slavery. The institution was not just a necessary evil: it was a positive good, a practical and moral necessity. Controlling the slave population was a matter of concern for all Whites, whether they owned slaves or not. Curfews governed the movement of slaves at night, and vigilante committees patrolled the roads, dispensing summary justice to wayward slaves and whites suspected of harboring abolitionist views. Laws were passed against the dissemination of abolitionist literature, and the South increasingly resembled a police state. A prominent Charleston lawyer described the city’s citizens as living under a 'reign of terror.'
"Shortly after Lincoln’s election, Presbyterian minister Benjamin Morgan Palmer, originally from Charleston, gave a sermon entitled, 'The South Her Peril and Her Duty.' He announced that the election had brought to the forefront one issue – slavery – that required him to speak out. Slavery, he explained, was a question of morals and religion, and was now the central question in the crisis of the Union. The South, he went on, had a 'providential trust to conserve and to perpetuate the institution of slavery as now existing.' The South was defined by slavery, he observed.'It has fashioned our modes of life, and determined all of our habits of thought and feeling, and molded the very type of our civilization.' Abolition, said Palmer, was 'undeniably atheistic.' The South 'defended the cause of God and religion,' and nothing 'is now left but secession.'"
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@KameradVonTurnip Why were industrialists tried and convicted in Nuremberg, namely in the Krupp, IG Farben and Flick trials for their involvement in the Holocaust and the Nazi regime?
Because groups of interested private parties exercised state power.
Fascism and Nazism shelter the existing order.
"Facing the demagogic trend, [political] liberalism is the form of suicide committed by our sick society. With this perspective it gives itself up. The merciless, embittered class war that is waged against it finds it ready to capitulate politically, after having helped spiritually to forge the enemy’s weapons.
"Only the conservative element, weak as it was in the 19th century, can and will in the future, prevent the coming of this end (125)." What Spengler refers to as “conservatism” is thus simply a means to shelter liberal society from itself, rescue the economic order from the suicidal tendencies of its politically liberal “protectors.”
Like Donoso, Spengler palpably shows how “conservatism” and “anti-liberalism” are not necessarily motivated by opposition to capitalism or a longing for the socioeconomic order predating it, but can come precisely to succor the economic liberal order in its hour of greatest need. Conservatives are thus willing to toss out the bathwater of political liberalism to save the baby of capitalism."
Conservatives are willing to do away with democracy and resort to fascism to rescue capitalism, or the economic liberal order. Or what's known in the US as the fiscal conservative order.
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@KameradVonTurnip And many members joined the Nazi Party. In truth, German resistance was ineffective.
"The conservatives and reactionaries had their greatest triumph when the common worker gave up and sank to the level of a slave. The A to Z of this “socialist” creation was to craftily draw the “Old Fighters” away from the capitalistic class.
The Nazis offered unimagined possibilities, with Hitler impressing the upper classes with fairy tales about world domination: a vision to which the German has absolutely no resistance. So the largest military buildup of all times came about and, of course, the desired war. The German people will someday sleep off this intoxication, but the hangover will not go away as easily. When the curtain finally opens and the theater is visible to the audience without impostors and stage directors, there will be a frightful awakening.
Never in the history of a nation have the guilty ones been more evident than now. It may be that one or the other bandit will have a higher degree of blame, but in general it is the entire bunch that is guilty.
In my view the people of industry and the military officers will be at the head of the line. With few exceptions, they went through thick and thin with Hitler and gave him counsel."
- Friedrich Kellner, "My Opposition" (presented in the US by the H.W. Bush Presidential Library) July 27, 1941
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@KameradVonTurnip "This intertwining of profit, politics and technology was nowhere more dramatic than in the case of Germany’s great chemical giant, IG Farben. By the late 1930s IG Farben, with over two hundred thousand employees and assets totalling over 1.6 billion Reichsmarks, was one of the largest private companies not only in Germany, but in the world. At Nuremberg and after, its close relationship with the Nazi regime was taken as emblematic of the wider entanglement of German industry with the Third Reich."
"Though the Depression hit IG hard, the firm would surely have prospered under virtually any regime imaginable in Germany in the 1930s. In no sense of the word did the German chemical industry ‘need’ Hitler. And yet, as a result of a series of technical decisions, the leaders of Germany’s chemical industry moved into an ever-closer alliance with the German state."
"Conversely, it was IG Farben’s expensive investment in these technologies that gave the otherwise internationally minded corporation a powerful incentive to collaborate with Hitler and his nationalist programme." - "Wages of Destruction"
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@KameradVonTurnip Here's one of them right now.
"Spengler's Prussian socialism was popular amongst the German political right, especially the revolutionary right who had distanced themselves from traditional conservatism. His notions of Prussian socialism influenced Nazism and the Conservative Revolutionary movement."
"Historian Ishay Landa has described the nature of 'Prussian socialism' as decidedly capitalist. For Landa, Spengler strongly opposed labor strikes, trade unions, progressive taxation or any imposition of taxes on the rich, any shortening of the working day, as well as any form of government insurance for sickness, old age, accidents, or unemployment. At the same time as he rejected any social democratic provisions, Spengler celebrated private property, competition, imperialism, capital accumulation, and 'wealth, collected in few hands and among the ruling classes'. Landa describes Spengler's 'Prussian Socialism' as 'working a whole lot, for the absolute minimum, but — and this is a vital aspect — being happy about it.'"
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@KameradVonTurnip "Cutting back on welfare payments was only part of a wider strategy. Urging the German people to engage in self-help instead of relying on payouts from the state carried with it the implication that those who could not help themselves were dispensable, indeed a positive threat to the future health of the German people. The racially unsound, deviants, criminals, the ‘asocial’ and the like were to be excluded from the welfare system altogether. As we have seen, by 1937-8 members of the underclass, social deviants and petty criminals were being arrested in large numbers and put into concentration camps since they were regarded by the Nazis as being of no use to the regime. In the end, therefore, as soon as rearmament had soaked up the mass of the unemployed, the Nazis’ original scepticism about the benefits of social welfare reasserted itself in the most brutal possible way."
Source: The Third Reich in Power, Richard J. Evans
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"In Spengler’s Prussian utopia, the workers can hence look forward to working even on Sunday. It need hardly be said that progressive taxation and political pressure to increase wages are detestable in Spengler’s eyes. He expends great energy in denouncing what he terms the current Lohndiktatur or Lohnbolschewismus (“wage-dictatorship” and “wage-bolshevism”) of the trade unions; similarly, in a 1924 lecture dedicated to the issue of taxation, he excoriates the imposition of taxes on the rich, which has become nothing short of a “question of life and death” (Spengler 1933c: 299).
He there equates the “West-European taxation policies” with “dry Bolshevism, which threatens to level down everything which protrudes above the masses” (309). In terms difficult to tell apart from those of a stringent economic liberal, he concludes this address by pressing to eliminate the political-democratic administration of taxation and—looking ahead to such organizations as The World Trade Organization or The International Monetary Fund?—to entrust all decisions on such matters to economic experts, a “world conference of insiders to the economic life.”
The more ‘just’ a tax is,” he avows, “the more unjust it is today. In the evaluation of such things the economy has the first word, not the jurist, the professional politician or the fiscal civil servant” (310)."
Source: Ishay Landa, "Sorceror's Apprentice"
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@KameradVonTurnip No wonder the Nazis banned striking, ended collective bargaining and barred workers from leaving their work... Oh, and the workweek increased from 60 to 72 hours. Still not quite approaching Spengler's view of working even on Sunday and 80 hours a week, but close.
"At first, though, both Hitler and Ley tried to assure the workers that their rights would be protected. Said Ley in his first proclamation: “Workers! Your institutions are sacred to us National Socialists. I myself am a poor peasant’s son and understand poverty … I know the exploitation of anonymous capitalism. Workers! I swear to you, we will not only keep everything that exists, we will build up the protection and the rights of the workers still further.”
Within three weeks the hollowness of another Nazi promise was exposed when Hitler decreed a law bringing an end to collective bargaining and providing that henceforth “labor trustees,” appointed by him, would “regulate labor contracts” and maintain “labor peace.” Since the decisions of the trustees were to be legally binding, the law, in effect, outlawed strikes. Ley promised “to restore absolute leadership to the natural leader of a factory—that is, the employer … Only the employer can decide. Many employers have for years had to call for the ‘master in the house.’ Now they are once again to be the ‘master in the house.’”
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"Spengler's Prussian socialism was popular amongst the German political right, especially the revolutionary right who had distanced themselves from traditional conservatism. His notions of Prussian socialism influenced Nazism and the Conservative Revolutionary movement."
"Historian Ishay Landa has described the nature of 'Prussian socialism' as decidedly capitalist. For Landa, Spenger strongly opposed labor strikes, trade unions, progressive taxation or any imposition of taxes on the rich, any shortening of the working day, as well as any form of government insurance for sickness, old age, accidents, or unemployment. At the same time as he rejected any social democratic provisions, Spengler celebrated private property, competition, imperialism, capital accumulation, and 'wealth, collected in few hands and among the ruling classes'. Landa describes Spengler's 'Prussian Socialism' as 'working a whole lot, for the absolute minimum, but — and this is a vital aspect — being happy about it.'"
Here's what's really happening right now.
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@Lindedelaciencia "This intertwining of profit, politics and technology was nowhere more dramatic than in the case of Germany’s great chemical giant, IG Farben. By the late 1930s IG Farben, with over two hundred thousand employees and assets totalling over 1.6 billion Reichsmarks, was one of the largest private companies not only in Germany, but in the world. At Nuremberg and after, its close relationship with the Nazi regime was taken as emblematic of the wider entanglement of German industry with the Third Reich."
"Though the Depression hit IG hard, the firm would surely have prospered under virtually any regime imaginable in Germany in the 1930s. In no sense of the word did the German chemical industry ‘need’ Hitler. And yet, as a result of a series of technical decisions, the leaders of Germany’s chemical industry moved into an ever-closer alliance with the German state."
"Conversely, it was IG Farben’s expensive investment in these technologies that gave the otherwise internationally minded corporation a powerful incentive to collaborate with Hitler and his nationalist programme." - "Wages of Destruction"
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He's right at spreading Nazi propaganda?
"A good many paragraphs of the party program were obviously merely a demagogic appeal to the mood of the lower classes at a time when they were in bad straits and were sympathetic to radical and even socialist slogans. Point 11, for example, demanded abolition of incomes unearned by work; Point 12, the nationalization of trusts; Point 13, the sharing with the state of profits from large industry; Point 14, the abolishing of land rents and speculation in land. Point 18 demanded the death penalty for traitors, usurers and profiteers, and Point 16, calling for the maintenance of “a sound middle class,” insisted on the communalization of department stores and their lease at cheap rates to small traders. These demands had been put in at the insistence of Drexler and Feder, who apparently really believed in the 'socialism' of National Socialism. They were the ideas which Hitler was to find embarrassing when the big industrialists and landlords began to pour money into the party coffers, and of course nothing was ever done about them." - William L. Shirer, "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich"
Every single conservative and "libertarian" (the uploader is a "libertarian") voted for Hitler. Every single one.
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@Arkancide "and not I"
Seems like they didn't teach you the object pronoun of the first person singular in college, which is "me".
Over-reliance on experts... Oh my gosh, I'm "over-relying" on people who have spent decades studying the subject matter. How dare I? What an anti-intellectual thing to say... Guess who else is an anti-intellectual propagating cultural Bolshevik conspiracy theories:
""Those who control the past, control the future, and the Marxists control the past. Since the Cold War era, if not much much earlier, socialists have invaded the universities, and have been miseducating the youth.
Think about it. Who writes the history books? Public, socialised, state academic, historians. And who teaches in these public, socialised, state schools? People who believe in socialised control of the means of production. These socialised state historians and these socialised state academics have the most to gain from have the most to gain from the further expansion of the public, socialised, state sector.
So they're pushing a false narrative of history, a false narrative of the news, a false definition of the words we use in everyday language, like: state. All as a way of defending "real socialism": the state.
They've spun history through the lens of class warfare, gender warfare, racial warfare, calling this "social science."
They've warped society into misunderstanding the true nature of socialism and capitalism. Most don't even know the meaning of the terms and when you point them out, backed by a host of sources and examples from their own literature, actual evidence, you get told: "You don't know what you're talking about.""
No, this isn't some N/zi peddling cultural Bolshevism conspiracy theory (in modern terms, cultural Marxism), it's TIK saying this in one of his videos."
It has been clearly demonstrated who's appealing to (invalid) authority (the form of this argument which is fallacious) in this case, yet you continue to persist in your fallacies.
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@Arkancide Went to college, supposedly studied philosophy, can't construct a single rational argument and back it up.
"Were the Nazis socialists? No, not in any meaningful way, and certainly not after 1934. But to address this canard fully, one must begin with the birth of the party."
Enjoy repeating N/zi propaganda dude.
"Their identity was a secret which was kept from all but the inner circle around the Leader. The party had to play both sides of the tracks. It had to allow Strasser, Goebbels and the crank Feder to beguile the masses with the cry that the National Socialists were truly 'socialists' and against the money barons. On the other hand, money to keep the party going had to be wheedled out of those who had an ample supply of it. Throughout the latter half of 1931, says Dietrich, Hitler 'traversed Germany from end to end, holding private interviews with prominent [business] personalities.' So hush-hush were some of these meetings that they had to be held 'in some lonely forest glade. Privacy,' explains Dietrich, 'was absolutely imperative; the press must have no chance of doing mischief. Success was the consequence.'" - William L. Shirer, "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich"
No wonder why so many industrialists (capitalists) were tried and convicted in Nuremberg (IG Farben, Krupp and Flick trials) for their role in the Holocaust, their profitting from slave labor and their role in the N/zi regime.. No wonder why US industrialists financed the N/zi regime - they rightfully recognized that their investments would be protected. No wonder Texaco supplied oil to f/scists in Spain.
Corporate profits skyrocketed 4 times when comparing 1928 and 1938. Like I said. No wonder.
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@HaveButOneLife "Spengler's Prussian socialism was popular amongst the German political right, especially the revolutionary right who had distanced themselves from traditional conservatism. His notions of Prussian socialism influenced Nazism and the Conservative Revolutionary movement."
"Historian Ishay Landa has described the nature of 'Prussian socialism' as decidedly capitalist. For Landa, Spengler strongly opposed labor strikes, trade unions, progressive taxation or any imposition of taxes on the rich, any shortening of the working day, as well as any form of government insurance for sickness, old age, accidents, or unemployment. At the same time as he rejected any social democratic provisions, Spengler celebrated private property, competition, imperialism, capital accumulation, and 'wealth, collected in few hands and among the ruling classes'. Landa describes Spengler's 'Prussian Socialism' as 'working a whole lot, for the absolute minimum, but — and this is a vital aspect — being happy about it.'"
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Word for word Republican agenda:
"Spengler's Prussian socialism was popular amongst the German political right, especially the revolutionary right who had distanced themselves from traditional conservatism. His notions of Prussian socialism influenced Nazism and the Conservative Revolutionary movement."
"Historian Ishay Landa has described the nature of 'Prussian socialism' as decidedly capitalist. For Landa, Spengler strongly opposed labor strikes, trade unions, progressive taxation or any imposition of taxes on the rich, any shortening of the working day, as well as any form of government insurance for sickness, old age, accidents, or unemployment. At the same time as he rejected any social democratic provisions, Spengler celebrated private property, competition, imperialism, capital accumulation, and 'wealth, collected in few hands and among the ruling classes'. Landa describes Spengler's 'Prussian Socialism' as 'working a whole lot, for the absolute minimum, but — and this is a vital aspect — being happy about it.'"
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Doesn't matter what he was. He used Christianity to accomplish his goals. Germany was 94% Christian according to the census in 1939 and its church attendance rates were among the highest in Europe, if not the highest. You couldn't even be a member of the SS without being Christian, for example. Various privileges were extended to Christians.
Vatican instructed the Centre [Catholic] Party and its Bavarian branch, the Bavarian People's Party to vote for Hitler as a dictator because they wanted to expand the power and influence of the Catholic Church in Germany.
“[T]he Protestant Church leadership of a good part of Germany - collectively, as a corporate group, and with the authority of their offices - on their own initiative implicitly endorsed the mass slaughter of Jews.”
-- Daniel Jonah Goldhagen, Hitler’s Willing Executioners: Ordinary Germans and the Holocaust (New York: Vintage, 1997), p. 112. 7.
After the war, the Vatican organized ratlines which Nazis used to escape to Spain and Argentina, two highly religious countries.
"Spain, not Rome, was the 'first center of ratline activity that facilitated the escape of Nazi fascists,' although the exodus itself was planned within the Vatican. Among the primary organizers were Charles Lescat, a French member of Action Française – an organization suppressed by Pope Pius XI and rehabilitated by Pope Pius XII – and Pierre Daye, a Belgian with contacts in the Spanish government. Lescat and Daye were the first to flee Europe with the help of Argentine cardinal Antonio Caggiano."
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@zupnanazwa You can read most of the books he sourced, look up the number of citations and then decide by yourself. They don't claim what he claims. I doubt he even read his own sources by the way. He claims the only capitalist to support the Nazis was Thyssen lmfao... Sort comments by new, I debunked him thoroughly on that.
Vampire Economy was written by a literal communist who wrote for "The Red Flag" (Die Rote Fahne). Another primary source he uses was written by a socialist. They both claim Nazis were capitalists.
By the way, TIK wildly misrepresents what Oswald Spengler believed in.
"In Spengler’s Prussian utopia, the workers can hence look forward to working even on Sunday. It need hardly be said that progressive taxation and political pressure to increase wages are detestable in Spengler’s eyes. He expends great energy in denouncing what he terms the current Lohndiktatur or Lohnbolschewismus (“wage-dictatorship” and “wage-bolshevism”) of the trade unions; similarly, in a 1924 lecture dedicated to the issue of taxation, he excoriates the imposition of taxes on the rich, which has become nothing short of a “question of life and death” (Spengler 1933c: 299).
He there equates the “West-European taxation policies” with “dry Bolshevism, which threatens to level down everything which protrudes above the masses” (309). In terms difficult to tell apart from those of a stringent economic liberal, he concludes this address by pressing to eliminate the political-democratic administration of taxation and—looking ahead to such organizations as The World Trade Organization or The International Monetary Fund?—to entrust all decisions on such matters to economic experts, a “world conference of insiders to the economic life.”
“The more ‘just’ a tax is,” he avows, “the more unjust it is today. In the evaluation of such things the economy has the first word, not the jurist, the professional politician or the fiscal civil servant” (310)."
Does this remind you of anyone? The one that is claiming all taxation is theft? His views and views of Oswald Spengler are quite alike.
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@TheImperatorKnight Oswald Spengler, the intellectual which gave Nazis an air of respectability and greatly inspired them and who tried to reconcile socialist vocabulary with Manchester liberalism agrees with you and he goes one step further: not only is it theft, it's "Bolshevism".
"In Spengler’s Prussian utopia, the workers can hence look forward to working even on Sunday. It need hardly be said that progressive taxation and political pressure to increase wages are detestable in Spengler’s eyes. He expends great energy in denouncing what he terms the current Lohndiktatur or Lohnbolschewismus (“wage-dictatorship” and “wage-bolshevism”) of the trade unions; similarly, in a 1924 lecture dedicated to the issue of taxation, he excoriates the imposition of taxes on the rich, which has become nothing short of a “question of life and death” (Spengler 1933c: 299).
He there equates the “West-European taxation policies” with “dry Bolshevism, which threatens to level down everything which protrudes above the masses” (309). In terms difficult to tell apart from those of a stringent economic liberal, he concludes this address by pressing to eliminate the political-democratic administration of taxation and—looking ahead to such organizations as The World Trade Organization or The International Monetary Fund?—to entrust all decisions on such matters to economic experts, a “world conference of insiders to the economic life.”
“The more ‘just’ a tax is,” he avows, “the more unjust it is today. In the evaluation of such things the economy has the first word, not the jurist, the professional politician or the fiscal civil servant” (310)."
--Ishay Landa, "Apprentice's Sorcerer"
Spengler is the guy whose views you wildly misrepresent by the way.
Why? He shares your ideology.
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@spencerjohnson5871 Nazism was not "centrally opposed" to capitalism.
"Rather than seeing Hitler’s system as a departure from the way of West, it makes more sense to conceive of Nazism as a fanatic, die-hard attempt to pursue the logic of Western 19th century capitalism to its utmost conclusion, to go all the way, rejecting the contemptuous compromises of the bourgeoisie with socialism."
Hitler raved about England as a model to be emulated:
"'Different nations [of the white race] secured this hegemonic position in different ways: in the most ingenious way England, which always opened up new markets and immediately fastened them politically . . . Other nations failed to reach this goal, because they squandered their spiritual energies on internal ideological—formerly religious—struggles. . . . At the time that Germany, for instance, came to establish colonies, the inner mental approach [Gedankengang], this utterly cold and sober English approach to colonial ventures, was partly already superseded by more or less romantic notions: to impart to the world German culture, to spread German civilization—things which were completely alien to the English at the time of colonialism (Hitler in Domarus 1973, vol. 1: 76).'
The new German imperialism did not presume to invent anything or rebel against the Western guidelines, but rather to adjust to them, to mold itself after the Western example. The British Empire in India was the paradigm, repeatedly invoked by Hitler, and so was the Spanish colonization of Central America by Pizarro and Cortez and the white settlement in North America, “following just as little some democratically or internationally approved higher legal standards, but stemming from a feeling of having a right, which was rooted exclusively in the conviction about the superiority, and hence the right, of the white race” (75).
And even some of the most horrendous aspects of this imperialism did not have to look for their models outside the Western orbit. The concentration camps, for instance: “Manual work,” Hitler is reported to have told Richard Breiting (Calic 1968: 109), “never harmed anyone, we wish to lay down great work-camps for all sorts of parasites. The Spanish have began with it in Cuba, the English in South-Africa.”
--Ishay Landa, "Apprentice's Sorcerer"
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You love Nazi propaganda meant to beguile the masses?
"A good many paragraphs of the party program were obviously merely a demagogic appeal to the mood of the lower classes at a time when they were in bad straits and were sympathetic to radical and even socialist slogans. Point 11, for example, demanded abolition of incomes unearned by work; Point 12, the nationalization of trusts; Point 13, the sharing with the state of profits from large industry; Point 14, the abolishing of land rents and speculation in land. Point 18 demanded the death penalty for traitors, usurers and profiteers, and Point 16, calling for the maintenance of “a sound middle class,” insisted on the communalization of department stores and their lease at cheap rates to small traders. These demands had been put in at the insistence of Drexler and Feder, who apparently really believed in the 'socialism' of National Socialism. They were the ideas which Hitler was to find embarrassing when the big industrialists and landlords began to pour money into the party coffers, and of course nothing was ever done about them." - William L. Shirer, "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich"
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@signorasforza354 "Historian Ishay Landa has described the nature of "Prussian socialism" as decidedly capitalist. For Landa, Spengler strongly opposed labor strikes, trade unions, progressive taxation or any imposition of taxes on the rich, any shortening of the working day, as well as any form of government insurance for sickness, old age, accidents, or unemployment. At the same time as he rejected any social democratic provisions, Spengler celebrated private property, competition, imperialism, capital accumulation, and "wealth, collected in few hands and among the ruling classes". Landa describes Spengler's "Prussian Socialism" as "working a whole lot, for the absolute minimum, but — and this is a vital aspect — being happy about it."
How much of this do you subscribe too, dumb fasci?
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You need to read books, not watch YouTube videos.
"Spengler's Prussian socialism was popular amongst the German political right, especially the revolutionary right who had distanced themselves from traditional conservatism. His notions of Prussian socialism influenced Nazism and the Conservative Revolutionary movement."
"Historian Ishay Landa has described the nature of 'Prussian socialism' as decidedly capitalist. For Landa, Spenger strongly opposed labor strikes, trade unions, progressive taxation or any imposition of taxes on the rich, any shortening of the working day, as well as any form of government insurance for sickness, old age, accidents, or unemployment. At the same time as he rejected any social democratic provisions, Spengler celebrated private property, competition, imperialism, capital accumulation, and 'wealth, collected in few hands and among the ruling classes'. Landa describes Spengler's 'Prussian Socialism' as 'working a whole lot, for the absolute minimum, but — and this is a vital aspect — being happy about it.'"
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@adamb3421 "After this confession of his belief in the superior race of factory-owners and directors, Hitler went on to declare that rentability must always be the standard of the industry (how differently Gregor Strasser thought on this point!), and when Otto Strasser contradicted him and praised the autarchy of a nationalist economist system, Hitler abruptly interrupted him and said: "That is nothing more than wretched theorism and dilettantism. Do you really believe that we can ever separate ourselves from international trade and finance? On the contrary, our task is to undertake an immense organization of the whole world in which each land shall produce what it requires most and in which the white race -- the Nordic race -- shall take the leading part in administering and carrying out this vast plan. Believe me, National Socialism would not be worth anything if it were to be confined to Germany and did not secure the rule of the superior race over the whole world for at least one or two thousand years.
At this point Gregor Strasser, who had been listening to the discussion, declared that economic autarchy must unquestionably be the aim of National Socialism. Hitler beat a retreat. Yes, he agreed that autarchy must be the ultimate objective in, say, a century. Today, however, it was impossible to cut loose from the international economic system. Once again Strasser let fall the word "Socialism." Hitler replied: "The word 'Socialism' is in itself a bad word. But it is certainly not to be taken as meaning that industry must be socialized, and only to mean that it could be socialized if industrialists were to act contrary to the national interests. As long as they do not do that it would be little short of a crime to destroy the existing economic system."
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@adamb3421 "A good many paragraphs of the party program were obviously merely a demagogic appeal to the mood of the lower classes at a time when they were in bad straits and were sympathetic to radical and even socialist slogans. Point 11, for example, demanded abolition of incomes unearned by work; Point 12, the nationalization of trusts; Point 13, the sharing with the state of profits from large industry; Point 14, the abolishing of land rents and speculation in land. Point 18 demanded the death penalty for traitors, usurers and profiteers, and Point 16, calling for the maintenance of “a sound middle class,” insisted on the communalization of department stores and their lease at cheap rates to small traders. These demands had been put in at the insistence of Drexler and Feder, who apparently really believed in the 'socialism' of National Socialism. They were the ideas which Hitler was to find embarrassing when the big industrialists and landlords began to pour money into the party coffers, and of course nothing was ever done about them." - William L. Shirer, "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich"
So you actually bought into the N/zi propaganda. You don't appear to have done much research. Every single conservative and every single classical liberal (right-wing libertarian) voted for Hitler's Enabling Act. Policies and actions will always matter more than words.
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@phillip3495 You're completely delusional. Private power creates governments and states. Private power needs the government to protect it.
"Spengler's Prussian socialism was popular amongst the German political right, especially the revolutionary right who had distanced themselves from traditional conservatism. His notions of Prussian socialism influenced Nazism and the Conservative Revolutionary movement."
"Historian Ishay Landa has described the nature of 'Prussian socialism' as decidedly capitalist. For Landa, Spenger strongly opposed labor strikes, trade unions, progressive taxation or any imposition of taxes on the rich, any shortening of the working day, as well as any form of government insurance for sickness, old age, accidents, or unemployment. At the same time as he rejected any social democratic provisions, Spengler celebrated private property, competition, imperialism, capital accumulation, and 'wealth, collected in few hands and among the ruling classes'. Landa describes Spengler's 'Prussian Socialism' as 'working a whole lot, for the absolute minimum, but — and this is a vital aspect — being happy about it.'"
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Wulf "This intertwining of profit, politics and technology was nowhere more dramatic than in the case of Germany’s great chemical giant, IG Farben. By the late 1930s IG Farben, with over two hundred thousand employees and assets totalling over 1.6 billion Reichsmarks, was one of the largest private companies not only in Germany, but in the world. At Nuremberg and after, its close relationship with the Nazi regime was taken as emblematic of the wider entanglement of German industry with the Third Reich."
"Though the Depression hit IG hard, the firm would surely have prospered under virtually any regime imaginable in Germany in the 1930s. In no sense of the word did the German chemical industry ‘need’ Hitler. And yet, as a result of a series of technical decisions, the leaders of Germany’s chemical industry moved into an ever-closer alliance with the German state."
"Conversely, it was IG Farben’s expensive investment in these technologies that gave the otherwise internationally minded corporation a powerful incentive to collaborate with Hitler and his nationalist programme." - "Wages of Destruction"
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Wulf "The Industrielleneingabe (German: Industrial petition) was a petition signed by 19 representatives of industry, finance, and agriculture on November 19, 1932 that requested for German President Paul von Hindenburg to make Adolf Hitler the German Chancellor."
"At the February meeting [Secret Meeting of February 20, 1933 between Hitler and 25 industrialists in Hermann Goering's villa], the I.G. Farben executives gave the Nazis 400,000 marks, and a total of 4.5 million marks by the end of 1933, according to 'The Crime and Punishment of I.G. Farben'. This infusion of corporate cash saved the Nazi Party from financial disaster. The rest, as they say, is history — tragic, tragic history."
Fascist clown.
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Wulf "Cutting back on welfare payments was only part of a wider strategy. Urging the German people to engage in self-help instead of relying on payouts from the state carried with it the implication that those who could not help themselves were dispensable, indeed a positive threat to the future health of the German people. The racially unsound, deviants, criminals, the ‘asocial’ and the like were to be excluded from the welfare system altogether. As we have seen, by 1937-8 members of the underclass, social deviants and petty criminals were being arrested in large numbers and put into concentration camps since they were regarded by the Nazis as being of no use to the regime. In the end, therefore, as soon as rearmament had soaked up the mass of the unemployed, the Nazis’ original scepticism about the benefits of social welfare reasserted itself in the most brutal possible way."
Source: The Third Reich in Power, Richard J. Evans
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True, let's focus on their policies, like privatizing more industry and services previously performed by the government than any other capitalist society in the West at that time.
"A second cause has to do with the conviction even in the highest ranks of the Nazi elite that private property itself provided important incentives to achieve greater cost consciousness, efficiency gains, and technical progress. The principle that Four Year Plan projects were to be executed as far as possible by private industry was explicitly motivated in the following way: 'It is important to maintain the free initiative of industry. Only in that case can one expect to be successful.' Some time earlier a similar consideration was expressed: 'Private companies, which are in charge of the plants to be constructed, should to a large extent invest their own means in order to secure a responsible management.' During the war Goering said it always was his aim to let private firms finance the aviation industry so that private initiative would be 'strengthened.' Even Adolf Hitler frequently made clear his opposition in principle to any bureaucratic managing of the economy, because that, by preventing the natural selection process, would 'give a guarantee to the preservation of the weakest average [sic] and represent a burden to the higher ability, industry and value, thus being a cost to the general welfare.'"
It's amazing, isn't it? The Nazis were so ideologically blinded that even during the greatest war in human history, they wanted to privatize industry necessary for their success in war.
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@TheImperatorKnight I'll try to find the comment in which you specifically said Tooze is part of the "cultural Marxist" conspiracy theory. I distinctly remember you saying it and I even remarked about it on Reddit.
Here's you unironically promoting the neo-Nazi conspiracy theory nonetheless:
"Those who control the past, control the future, and the marxists control the past. Since the cold war era, if not much much earlier, socialists have invaded the universities, and have been miseducating the youth. Think about it. WHO writes the history books? Public, socialised, state academic, historians. And who teaches in these public, socialised, state schools? People who believe in socialised control of the means of production. These socialised state historians and these socialised state academics have the most to gain from have the most to gain from the furhter expansion of the public, socialised, state sector. So they're pushing a false narritive of history, a false narritive of the news, a false definition of the words we use in everyday language, like: state. All as a way of defending "real socialism": the state. They've spun history through the lens of class warfare, gender warfare, racial warfare, calling this "social science." They've warped society into misunderstanding the true nature of socialism and capitalism. Most don't even know the meaning of the terms and when you point them out, backed by a host of sources and examples from their own literature, actual evidence, you get told: "You don't know what you're talking about."
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The uploader is spreading Nazi propaganda.
"A good many paragraphs of the party program were obviously merely a demagogic appeal to the mood of the lower classes at a time when they were in bad straits and were sympathetic to radical and even socialist slogans. Point 11, for example, demanded abolition of incomes unearned by work; Point 12, the nationalization of trusts; Point 13, the sharing with the state of profits from large industry; Point 14, the abolishing of land rents and speculation in land. Point 18 demanded the death penalty for traitors, usurers and profiteers, and Point 16, calling for the maintenance of “a sound middle class,” insisted on the communalization of department stores and their lease at cheap rates to small traders. These demands had been put in at the insistence of Drexler and Feder, who apparently really believed in the 'socialism' of National Socialism. They were the ideas which Hitler was to find embarrassing when the big industrialists and landlords began to pour money into the party coffers, and of course nothing was ever done about them." - William L. Shirer, "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich"
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@Lindedelaciencia Maybe you ought to stop believing Nazi propaganda.
"A good many paragraphs of the party program were obviously merely a demagogic appeal to the mood of the lower classes at a time when they were in bad straits and were sympathetic to radical and even socialist slogans. Point 11, for example, demanded abolition of incomes unearned by work; Point 12, the nationalization of trusts; Point 13, the sharing with the state of profits from large industry; Point 14, the abolishing of land rents and speculation in land. Point 18 demanded the death penalty for traitors, usurers and profiteers, and Point 16, calling for the maintenance of “a sound middle class,” insisted on the communalization of department stores and their lease at cheap rates to small traders. These demands had been put in at the insistence of Drexler and Feder, who apparently really believed in the 'socialism' of National Socialism. They were the ideas which Hitler was to find embarrassing when the big industrialists and landlords began to pour money into the party coffers, and of course nothing was ever done about them." - William L. Shirer, "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich"
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@Lindedelaciencia "Spengler's Prussian socialism was popular amongst the German political right, especially the revolutionary right who had distanced themselves from traditional conservatism. His notions of Prussian socialism influenced Nazism and the Conservative Revolutionary movement."
"Historian Ishay Landa has described the nature of 'Prussian socialism' as decidedly capitalist. For Landa, Spengler strongly opposed labor strikes, trade unions, progressive taxation or any imposition of taxes on the rich, any shortening of the working day, as well as any form of government insurance for sickness, old age, accidents, or unemployment. At the same time as he rejected any social democratic provisions, Spengler celebrated private property, competition, imperialism, capital accumulation, and 'wealth, collected in few hands and among the ruling classes'. Landa describes Spengler's 'Prussian Socialism' as 'working a whole lot, for the absolute minimum, but — and this is a vital aspect — being happy about it.'"
Spengler called any sort of taxation "Bolshevism". The author of this video, by the way, completely misrepresents what Spengler stood for. Spengler, for example, said that working only 40 hours was half the "normal human output".
By the way, you can look up all the names of the parties in Germany at that time. They were all called "of the people's" and whatnot, does that mean they were all socialist? No, it means capitalism wasn't very popular in Germany following WWI and the biggest crisis of capitalism (Great Depression). What's in a name?
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@Lindedelaciencia Nazis banned abortion and punished it with death, not only in Nazi Germany but also in Vichy France. They were so ideologically opposed to abortion they even made their puppet state conform to their own ideological goals.
Nazis opposed vaccines and relaxed mandatory vaccination requirements that existed for 50+ years before them and would exist for almost 20 years after them.
"What could explain the restraint in this important field of public health care? Why, in 1933, did the state give up its previous claims to power in the area of preventive care for the "people's body"? The ongoing debate about the Lübeck vaccination scandal offers a first explanation for the concerns of the time. A second is rooted in Nazi ideology itself, since vaccination posed serious problems from a "racial hygiene" point of view. After all, immunization against diseases strongly contradicts the idea of hardening and selection." [translated from German]
"Deutsches Volk, hab‘ nichts mit dem Impfen gemein, / Es ist jeder wahren Gesundheitspflege Hohn, / Und willst Du nicht selbst Dein Totengräber sein, / Dann bekenn‘ Dich entschlossen zur Anti-Vakzi-Nation!"
"German people, have nothing in common with vaccination, / It is a mockery of all true health care, / And if you don't want to be your own gravedigger, / Then decisively profess your allegiance to the Anti-Vakzi Nation!"
Gee, I wonder who opposes abortion today and promotes pseudoscientific beliefs about vaccinations.
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@Lindedelaciencia "Deprived of his trade unions, collective bargaining and the right to strike, the German worker in the Third Reich became an industrial serf, bound to his master, the employer, much as medieval peasants had been bound to the lord of the manor. The so-called Labor Front, which in theory replaced the old trade unions, did not represent the worker. According to the law of October 24, 1934, which created it, it was “the organization of creative Germans of brain and fist.” It took in not only wage and salary earners but also the employers and members of the professions. It was in reality a vast propaganda organization and, as some workers said, a gigantic fraud. Its aim, as stated in the law, was not to protect the worker but “to create a true social and productive community of all Germans. Its task is to see that every single individual should be able … to perform the maximum of work.” The Labor Front was not an independent administrative organization but, like almost every other group in Nazi Germany except the Army, an integral part of the N.S.D.A.P., or, as its leader, Dr. Ley—the “stammering drunkard,” to use Thyssen’s phrase—said, “an instrument of the party.” Indeed, the October 24 law stipulated that its officials should come from the ranks of the party, the former Nazi unions, the S.A. and the S.S.—and they did.
Earlier, the Law Regulating National Labor of January 20, 1934, known as the “Charter of Labor,” had put the worker in his place and raised the employer to his old position of absolute master—subject, of course, to interference by the all-powerful State. The employer became the “leader of the enterprise,” the employees the “following,” or Gefolgschaft. Paragraph Two of the law set down that “the leader of the enterprise makes the decisions for the employees and laborers in all matters concerning the enterprise.” And just as in ancient times the lord was supposed to be responsible for the welfare of his subjects so, under the Nazi law, was the employer made “responsible for the well-being of the employees and laborers.” In return, the law said, “the employees and laborers owe him faithfulness”—that is, they were to work hard and long, and no back talk or grumbling, even about wages."
Source: William L. Shirer, "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich"
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@Lindedelaciencia "Facing the demagogic trend, [political] liberalism is the form of suicide committed by our sick society. With this perspective it gives itself up. The merciless, embittered class war that is waged against it finds it ready to capitulate politically, after having helped spiritually to forge the enemy’s weapons.
Only the conservative element, weak as it was in the 19th century, can and will in the future, prevent the coming of this end (125)." What Spengler refers to as “conservatism” is thus simply a means to shelter liberal society from itself, rescue the economic order from the suicidal tendencies of its politically liberal “protectors.”
Like Donoso, Spengler palpably shows how “conservatism” and “anti-liberalism” are not necessarily motivated by opposition to capitalism or a longing for the socioeconomic order predating it, but can come precisely to succor the economic liberal order in its hour of greatest need. Conservatives are thus willing to toss out the bathwater of political liberalism to save the baby of capitalism."
Source: Ishay Landa, "Sorceror's Apprentice"
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@Lindedelaciencia "In the fields of thinking, of artistic creation, even of economy, this process of selection still takes place today, though especially in the latter it is exposed to a serious handicap... Here in all cases the idea of a personality is still dominant... Political life alone has today completely turned away from this most natural principle...
Marxism, indeed, presents itself as the perfection of the Jew's attempt at excluding the overwhelming importance of the personality in all domains of human life and of replacing it by the number of the masses.
To this corresponds politically the parliamentary form of government... and economically the labor union movement... In the same measure in which economy is deprived of the effect of the principle of personality, and instead is exposed to the influences and effects of the masses, it is bound to lose efficiency, serving all and valuable for all, and will gradually fall into a definite regression."
- Mein Kampf
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@robertenstrom1382 "A good many paragraphs of the party program were obviously merely a demagogic appeal to the mood of the lower classes at a time when they were in bad straits and were sympathetic to radical and even socialist slogans. Point 11, for example, demanded abolition of incomes unearned by work; Point 12, the nationalization of trusts; Point 13, the sharing with the state of profits from large industry; Point 14, the abolishing of land rents and speculation in land. Point 18 demanded the death penalty for traitors, usurers and profiteers, and Point 16, calling for the maintenance of “a sound middle class,” insisted on the communalization of department stores and their lease at cheap rates to small traders. These demands had been put in at the insistence of Drexler and Feder, who apparently really believed in the 'socialism' of National Socialism. They were the ideas which Hitler was to find embarrassing when the big industrialists and landlords began to pour money into the party coffers, and of course nothing was ever done about them." - William L. Shirer, "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich"
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@robertenstrom1382 Hitler was brought to power by capitalists:
"At the February meeting, the I.G. Farben executives gave the Nazis 400,000 marks, and a total of 4.5 million marks by the end of 1933, according to 'The Crime and Punishment of I.G. Farben'. This infusion of corporate cash saved the Nazi Party from financial disaster. The rest, as they say, is history — tragic, tragic history."
"The Industrielleneingabe (German: Industrial petition) was a petition signed by 19 representatives of industry, finance, and agriculture on November 19, 1932 that requested for German President Paul von Hindenburg to make Adolf Hitler the German Chancellor."
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@mitscientifica1569 "The Industrielleneingabe (German: Industrial petition) was a petition signed by 19 representatives of industry, finance, and agriculture on November 19, 1932 that requested for German President Paul von Hindenburg to make Adolf Hitler the German Chancellor."
"At the February meeting [Secret Meeting of February 20, 1933 between Hitler and 25 industrialists in Hermann Goering's villa], the I.G. Farben executives gave the Nazis 400,000 marks, and a total of 4.5 million marks by the end of 1933, according to 'The Crime and Punishment of I.G. Farben'. This infusion of corporate cash saved the Nazi Party from financial disaster. The rest, as they say, is history — tragic, tragic history."
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@colebehnke7767 LOL
"In June 1919, for example, they sent the "Baltikum" corps, 50,000 strong, to fight in Lithuania against the Soviet army. In 1923, their "volunteer corps" resisted the French occupation of the Ruhr. The "Black Reichswehr"—as these different squadrons were called—was formed to transform the official "passive resistance" of big business to democratic gains into "active resistance." On September 25, 1923, all these "combat leagues" were merged into a single organization, at the head of which was put Adolf Hitler."
"Fascism and Big Business", Daniel Guerin
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@TheImperatorKnight You didn't refute a single argument or "destroyed" it. You're just regurgitating Nazi propaganda.
"A good many paragraphs of the party program were obviously merely a demagogic appeal to the mood of the lower classes at a time when they were in bad straits and were sympathetic to radical and even socialist slogans. Point 11, for example, demanded abolition of incomes unearned by work; Point 12, the nationalization of trusts; Point 13, the sharing with the state of profits from large industry; Point 14, the abolishing of land rents and speculation in land. Point 18 demanded the death penalty for traitors, usurers and profiteers, and Point 16, calling for the maintenance of “a sound middle class,” insisted on the communalization of department stores and their lease at cheap rates to small traders. These demands had been put in at the insistence of Drexler and Feder, who apparently really believed in the 'socialism' of National Socialism. They were the ideas which Hitler was to find embarrassing when the big industrialists and landlords began to pour money into the party coffers, and of course nothing was ever done about them."
- William L. Shirer, "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich"
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Ever heard of Prussian socialism, which wasn't really socialism, but capitalism and was inimical to Marxism, i.e. socialism?
"Spengler's Prussian socialism was popular amongst the German political right, especially the revolutionary right who had distanced themselves from traditional conservatism. His notions of Prussian socialism influenced Nazism and the Conservative Revolutionary movement."
"Historian Ishay Landa has described the nature of 'Prussian socialism' as decidedly capitalist. For Landa, Spenger strongly opposed labor strikes, trade unions, progressive taxation or any imposition of taxes on the rich, any shortening of the working day, as well as any form of government insurance for sickness, old age, accidents, or unemployment. At the same time as he rejected any social democratic provisions, Spengler celebrated private property, competition, imperialism, capital accumulation, and 'wealth, collected in few hands and among the ruling classes'. Landa describes Spengler's 'Prussian Socialism' as 'working a whole lot, for the absolute minimum, but — and this is a vital aspect — being happy about it.'"
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@thefrenchareharlequins2743 "The next phase in the struggle would begin after the elections of 5 March. If the N\zis were able to gain another 33 seats in the Reichstag, then the actions against the Communists would be covered by ’constitutional means'. But, ’regardless of the outcome there will be no retreat ... if the election does not decide .. .the decision must be brought about even by other means'. Hitler did not take questions from his audience, nor did he spell out exactly what was expected of the business leaders. Hitler had not come to negotiate. He had come to inform them of his intentions. And his audience can have been left in no doubt. Germany's new Chancellor planned to put an end to parliamentary democracy. He planned to crush the German left and in the process he was more than willing to use physical force. At least according to the surviving record, the conflict between left and right was the central theme of the speeches by both Hitler and Goering on 20 February. There was no mention either of anti-Jewish policy or a campaign of foreign conquest. Hitler left it to Goering to reveal the immediate purpose of the meeting. Since German business had a major stake in the struggle against the left, it should make an appropriate financial contribution. 'The sacrifice[s]', Goering pointed out, 'would be so much easier ... to bear if it [industry] realized that the election of 5 March will surely be the last one for the next ten years, probably even for the next hundred years.' Krupp von Bohlen, the designated spokesman for the business side, had prepared extensive notes for a detailed discussion of economic policy, but confronted with this bald appeal, he thought better of introducing tedious details. Instead, he confined himself to stating that all present would surely agree on the need for the speediest possible resolution of the political situation. Business fully supported the goal of establishing a government in the interests of the German people. Only under a strong and independent state could the economy and business 'develop and flourish'."
Business fully supported the N'zis. No force was used to induce them whatsoever. They went willingly and profited mightily from it. For a period of a dozen years. After the war, some industrialists were convicted for helping the regime. Tried and convicted in a court of law...
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@oscartang4587u3 You quoting the Twenty-Five points means nothing, as none of it was implemented. That's what the damn program is most famous for, lol
"A good many paragraphs of the party program were obviously merely a demagogic appeal to the mood of the lower classes at a time when they were in bad straits and were sympathetic to radical and even socialist slogans. Point 11, for example, demanded abolition of incomes unearned by work; Point 12, the nationalization of trusts; Point 13, the sharing with the state of profits from large industry; Point 14, the abolishing of land rents and speculation in land. Point 18 demanded the death penalty for traitors, usurers and profiteers, and Point 16, calling for the maintenance of “a sound middle class,” insisted on the communalization of department stores and their lease at cheap rates to small traders. These demands had been put in at the insistence of Drexler and Feder, who apparently really believed in the 'socialism' of National Socialism. They were the ideas which Hitler was to find embarrassing when the big industrialists and landlords began to pour money into the party coffers, and of course nothing was ever done about them."
- William L. Shirer, "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich"
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@oscartang4587u3 "Cutting back on welfare payments was only part of a wider strategy. Urging the German people to engage in self-help instead of relying on payouts from the state carried with it the implication that those who could not help themselves were dispensable, indeed a positive threat to the future health of the German people. The racially unsound, deviants, criminals, the ‘asocial’ and the like were to be excluded from the welfare system altogether. As we have seen, by 1937-8 members of the underclass, social deviants and petty criminals were being arrested in large numbers and put into concentration camps since they were regarded by the Nazis as being of no use to the regime. In the end, therefore, as soon as rearmament had soaked up the mass of the unemployed, the Nazis’ original scepticism about the benefits of social welfare reasserted itself in the most brutal possible way."
Richard J. Evans, "The Third Reich in Power"
Now pretty please explain to me why TIK doesn't quote this book when he does quote the first part of Richard J. Evans' trilogy (The Coming of the Third Reich). Oh, that's right, because it totally goes against the point he's trying to make.
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@oscartang4587u3 "Irrespective of a quite bad overall performance, an important characteristic of the economy of the Third Reich, and a big difference from a centrally planned one, was the role private ownership of firms was playing—in practice as well as in theory. The ideal Nazi economy would liberate the creativeness of a multitude of private entrepreneurs in a predominantly competitive framework gently directed by the state to achieve the highest welfare of the Germanic people. But this "directed market economy," as it was called, had not yet been introduced because of the war. Therefore, a way to characterize the actual German economy of the Third Reich more realistically would probably be "state-directed private ownership economy" instead of using the term "market." But that means neither that the specific measures taken by the state were really helpful in the war effort, nor that "markets" played no role in the actions of enterprises.
The expectation of the eventual re-establishment of markets as decisive institutions for the governance of business did shape the behavior of firms during the time when markets' actual importance was much diminished. The relationship between state and industry in the Nazi period can, therefore, be best interpreted as a temporary partnership where the state was the principal and the industry the agent. However, the agent not only, as always, had a very close eye on its interests but actively prepared for being the principal itself in the future. In the meantime, of course, industry adapted to the regime's sometimes irrational wishes, often at little financial costs, but by deferring development plans of its own. It is obvious, therefore, that there existed, in the words of Hayes, opportunity costs to enterprises."
"The Role of Private Property in the Nazi Economy", 91 citations, published in one of the most prestigious economic history journals in the world and written by two German economic historians with doctorates.
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@oscartang4587u3 "In the end, of course, the workers paid for their circuses. The annual income from dues to the Labor Front came to $160,000,000 in 1937 and passed the $200,000,000 point by the time the war started, according to Dr. Ley — the accounting was exceedingly vague, being handled not by the State but by the Finance Office of the party, which never published its accounts. From the dues, 10 per cent was earmarked for Kraft durch Freude. But the fees paid by individuals for vacation trips and entertainment, cheap as they were, amounted in the year before the war to $1,250,000,000. There was another heavy cost to the wage earner. As the largest single party organization in the country, with twenty-five million members, the Labor Front became a swollen bureaucracy, with tens of thousands of full-time employees. In fact, it was estimated that from 20 to 25 per cent of its income was absorbed by administration expense."
Compare this to the accountants in private firms squirreling away profits.
"Within three weeks, the hollowness of another Nazi promise was exposed when Hitler decreed a law bringing an end to collective bargaining and providing that henceforth “labor trustees,” appointed by him, would “regulate labor contracts” and maintain “labor peace.” Since the decisions of the trustees were to be legally binding, the law, in effect, outlawed strikes. Ley promised “to restore absolute leadership to the natural leader of a factory — that is, the employer . . . Only the employer can decide. Many employers have for years had to call for the ‘master in the house.’ Now they are once again to be the ‘master in the house.’”
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"Spengler's Prussian socialism was popular amongst the German political right, especially the revolutionary right who had distanced themselves from traditional conservatism. His notions of Prussian socialism influenced Nazism and the Conservative Revolutionary movement.
Historian Ishay Landa has described the nature of 'Prussian socialism' as decidedly capitalist. For Landa, Spengler strongly opposed labor strikes, trade unions, progressive taxation or any imposition of taxes on the rich, any shortening of the working day, as well as any form of government insurance for sickness, old age, accidents, or unemployment. At the same time as he rejected any social democratic provisions, Spengler celebrated private property, competition, imperialism, capital accumulation, and 'wealth, collected in few hands and among the ruling classes'. Landa describes Spengler's 'Prussian Socialism' as 'working a whole lot, for the absolute minimum, but — and this is a vital aspect — being happy about it.'"
No wonder every single conservative and economic liberal in the Reichstag voted for Hitler's Enabling Act. Yes, every single one...
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@HaveButOneLife Your "full control" of the means of production:
"Thus, de Wendel, a coal mining enterprise, refused to build a hydrogenation plant in 1937. In spring 1939 IG Farben declined a request by the Economics Ministry to enlarge its production of rayon for the use in tires. It also was not prepared to invest a substantial amount in a third Buna (synthetic rubber) factory in Ftirstenberg/Oder, although this was a project of high urgency for the regime. Another interesting example is the one of Froriep GmbH, a firm producing machines for the armaments and autarky-related industries, which also found a ready market abroad. In the second half of the 1930s the demand for the former purposes was so high that exports threatened to be totally crowded out. Therefore the company planned a capacity enlargement, but asked the Reich to share the risk by giving a subsidized credit and permitting exceptional depreciation to reduce its tax load. When the latter demand was not accepted at first, the firm reacted by refusing to invest. In the end the state fully surrendered to the requests of the firm."
Tax breaks, subsidies, refusal of companies to invest in plants necessary for the war effort during a war economy. The state fully surrendering to "the requests of the firm".
There's like a dozen of these examples from "The Role of Private Property in the Nazi Economy".
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They weren't socialists -- socialism is inherently democratic. They wanted people to believe they were socialists though, it was a propaganda campaign to "beguile the masses".
"A good many paragraphs of the party program were obviously merely a demagogic appeal to the mood of the lower classes at a time when they were in bad straits and were sympathetic to radical and even socialist slogans. Point 11, for example, demanded abolition of incomes unearned by work; Point 12, the nationalization of trusts; Point 13, the sharing with the state of profits from large industry; Point 14, the abolishing of land rents and speculation in land. Point 18 demanded the death penalty for traitors, usurers and profiteers, and Point 16, calling for the maintenance of “a sound middle class,” insisted on the communalization of department stores and their lease at cheap rates to small traders. These demands had been put in at the insistence of Drexler and Feder, who apparently really believed in the 'socialism' of National Socialism. They were the ideas which Hitler was to find embarrassing when the big industrialists and landlords began to pour money into the party coffers, and of course nothing was ever done about them." - William L. Shirer, "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich"
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@FirstnameLastname-do1px "Juxtaposing the two elements of Spengler’s worldview, a market economy geared towards national greatness, we get a political combination which should objectively be termed “national capitalism,” or, maybe, “Prussian imperialism.”
Socialism in any meaningful sense just does not come into it at all. In fact, socialism is precisely that which is expurgated at both levels: at the economic sphere since it impedes growth, and at the “great” political sphere since it posits peaceful international coexistence, which would make impossible the Spenglerian endorsement of imperialism.
Socialism is but the traitor that must be driven out of the fortress. We can now understand why Spengler himself, in his later years, explicitly took the air out of his former “socialism”: “Here a great education is necessary, which I have called Prussian and small politics might be called ‘socialistic’—what do words matter!” (210).
But why did Spengler, being for all practical purposes a capitalist, use the term socialism in the first place? Why couldn’t he have just brandished a project of “Prussian Imperialism,” which would have represented his views infinitely better than the banner of “Prussian Socialism”? It is not difficult to guess the answer, unless one is straightjacketed by an approach that construes fascists as forthright. Capitalism had scarce little popular appeal after the First World War and amidst protracted world economic crisis. A much better prospect for supporters of capitalism lay in feigning to embrace socialism, so as to infiltrate it inside an ideological and political Trojan horse and defeat it from within."
-"Sorceror's Apprentice", Ishay Landa, 2010, pages 69-70
An actual historian. With an actual doctorate. An actual professor in a university. An actual book that was reviewed by other historians and cited dozens of times. Must be part of a cultural Bolshevik conspiracy.
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@FirstnameLastname-do1px "Those who control the past, control the future, and the Marxists control the past. Since the Cold War era, if not much much earlier, socialists have invaded the universities, and have been miseducating the youth.
Think about it. Who writes the history books? Public, socialised, state academic, historians. And who teaches in these public, socialised, state schools? People who believe in socialised control of the means of production. These socialised state historians and these socialised state academics have the most to gain from have the most to gain from the further expansion of the public, socialised, state sector.
So they're pushing a false narrative of history, a false narrative of the news, a false definition of the words we use in everyday language, like: state. All as a way of defending "real socialism": the state.
They've spun history through the lens of class warfare, gender warfare, racial warfare, calling this "social science."
They've warped society into misunderstanding the true nature of socialism and capitalism. Most don't even know the meaning of the terms and when you point them out, backed by a host of sources and examples from their own literature, actual evidence, you get told: "You don't know what you're talking about.""
No, this isn't some N/zi peddling cultural Bolshevism conspiracy theory (in modern terms, cultural Marxism), it's TIK saying this in one of his videos.
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@trustyshellback "Spengler's Prussian socialism was popular amongst the German political right, especially the revolutionary right who had distanced themselves from traditional conservatism. His notions of Prussian socialism influenced Nazism and the Conservative Revolutionary movement."
"Historian Ishay Landa has described the nature of 'Prussian socialism' as decidedly capitalist. For Landa, Spenger strongly opposed labor strikes, trade unions, progressive taxation or any imposition of taxes on the rich, any shortening of the working day, as well as any form of government insurance for sickness, old age, accidents, or unemployment. At the same time as he rejected any social democratic provisions, Spengler celebrated private property, competition, imperialism, capital accumulation, and 'wealth, collected in few hands and among the ruling classes'. Landa describes Spengler's 'Prussian Socialism' as 'working a whole lot, for the absolute minimum, but — and this is a vital aspect — being happy about it.'"
No wonder every conservative and classical liberal voter for Hitler's Enabling Act.
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Hitler's personal expenses were bankrolled by the capitalists:
"Over the following three weeks Schacht received contributions from seventeen different business groups. The largest individual donations came from IG Farben (400,000 Reichsmarks) and the Deutsche Bank (200,000 Reichsmarks). The association of the mining industry also made a generous deposit of 400,000 Reichsmarks. Other large donors included the organizers of the Berlin Automobile Exhibition (100,000 Reichsmarks) and a cluster of electrical engineering corporations including Telefunken, AEG and the Accumulatoren Fabrik. In the years that followed, the Adolf Hitler Spende was to become institutionalized as a regular contribution to the maintenance of Hitler’s personal expenses. In practical terms, however, it was the donations in February and March 1933 that really made the difference. They provided a large cash injection at a moment when the party was severely short of funds and faced, as Goering had predicted, the last competitive election in its history."
These contributions were made before the elections of 1933 and before Hitler was even a dictator. They were made after the Secret Meeting of February 20 1933.
IG Farben, for example, gave the Nazis 4.5 million Reichsmarks which saved the Nazi Party from bankruptcy (before the elections of 1933).
The one collecting these contributions was Hjalmar Schacht, president of the Reichsbank under Hitler and the Minister of Economics. He was personally lobbying a switch to a free market economy in 1936. Under his "astute" leadership, corporate profitability exploded by as much as four times when comparing the years 1928 and 1938.
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@bestdjaf7499 None of those were enacted lmfao. You're literally repeating Nazi propaganda.
"A good many paragraphs of the party program were obviously merely a demagogic appeal to the mood of the lower classes at a time when they were in bad straits and were sympathetic to radical and even socialist slogans. Point 11, for example, demanded abolition of incomes unearned by work; Point 12, the nationalization of trusts; Point 13, the sharing with the state of profits from large industry; Point 14, the abolishing of land rents and speculation in land. Point 18 demanded the death penalty for traitors, usurers and profiteers, and Point 16, calling for the maintenance of “a sound middle class,” insisted on the communalization of department stores and their lease at cheap rates to small traders. These demands had been put in at the insistence of Drexler and Feder, who apparently really believed in the 'socialism' of National Socialism. They were the ideas which Hitler was to find embarrassing when the big industrialists and landlords began to pour money into the party coffers, and of course nothing was ever done about them."
- William L. Shirer, "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich"
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@macias7125 Democrats who espoused conservative positions, i.e. "conserving" slavery, which they used the Bible, or religion, to justify. All part of the "natural law" argument and so on.
Parties that voted (unanimously at that) for Hitler to become a dictator (Enabling Act of 1933):
-The German National People's Party was a national-conservative party in Germany during the Weimar Republic. Before the rise of the Nazi Party, it was the major conservative and nationalist party in Weimar Germany. It was an alliance of nationalists, reactionary monarchists, völkisch and antisemitic elements supported by the Pan-German League.
-Centre [Catholic] Party (Ideology - Social conservatism)
-Bavarian People's Party (branch of the Centre Party, Ideology - Social conservatism, Conservatism)
-"The Christian Social People's Service was a Protestant conservative political party in the Weimar Republic."
-The German People's Party (Ideology - National liberalism, Civic nationalism, Conservative liberalism, Constitutional monarchism, Economic liberalism)
Notice a pattern? All right-wingers and all conservatives.
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@macias7125 Word for word Republican agenda:
"Spengler's Prussian socialism was popular amongst the German political right, especially the revolutionary right who had distanced themselves from traditional conservatism. His notions of Prussian socialism influenced Nazism and the Conservative Revolutionary movement."
"Historian Ishay Landa has described the nature of 'Prussian socialism' as decidedly capitalist. For Landa, Spengler strongly opposed labor strikes, trade unions, progressive taxation or any imposition of taxes on the rich, any shortening of the working day, as well as any form of government insurance for sickness, old age, accidents, or unemployment. At the same time as he rejected any social democratic provisions, Spengler celebrated private property, competition, imperialism, capital accumulation, and 'wealth, collected in few hands and among the ruling classes'. Landa describes Spengler's 'Prussian Socialism' as 'working a whole lot, for the absolute minimum, but — and this is a vital aspect — being happy about it.'"
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@macias7125 Ishay Landa, "Sorceror's Apprentice":
"Facing the demagogic trend, [political] liberalism is the form of suicide committed by our sick society. With this perspective it gives itself up. The merciless, embittered class war that is waged against it finds it ready to capitulate politically, after having helped spiritually to forge the enemy’s weapons.
"Only the conservative element, weak as it was in the 19th century, can and will in the future, prevent the coming of this end (125)."
What Spengler refers to as “conservatism” is thus simply a means to shelter liberal society from itself, rescue the economic order from the suicidal tendencies of its politically liberal “protectors.”
Like Donoso, Spengler palpably shows how “conservatism” and “anti-liberalism” are not necessarily motivated by opposition to capitalism or a longing for the socioeconomic order predating it, but can come precisely to succor the economic liberal order in its hour of greatest need. Conservatives are thus willing to toss out the bathwater of political liberalism to save the baby of capitalism."
Conservatives are willing to do away with democracy and resort to fascism to rescue capitalism, or the economic liberal order. Or what's known in the US as the fiscal conservative order.
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@baigandinel7956 "After this confession of his belief in the superior race of factory-owners and directors, Hitler went on to declare that rentability must always be the standard of the industry (how differently Gregor Strasser thought on this point!), and when Otto Strasser contradicted him and praised the autarchy of a nationalist economist system, Hitler abruptly interrupted him and said: "That is nothing more than wretched theorism and dilettantism. Do you really believe that we can ever separate ourselves from international trade and finance? On the contrary, our task is to undertake an immense organization of the whole world in which each land shall produce what it requires most and in which the white race -- the Nordic race -- shall take the leading part in administering and carrying out this vast plan. Believe me, National Socialism would not be worth anything if it were to be confined to Germany and did not secure the rule of the superior race over the whole world for at least one or two thousand years.
At this point Gregor Strasser, who had been listening to the discussion, declared that economic autarchy must unquestionably be the aim of National Socialism. Hitler beat a retreat. Yes, he agreed that autarchy must be the ultimate objective in, say, a century. Today, however, it was impossible to cut loose from the international economic system. Once again Strasser let fall the word "Socialism." Hitler replied: "The word 'Socialism' is in itself a bad word. But it is certainly not to be taken as meaning that industry must be socialized, and only to mean that it could be socialized if industrialists were to act contrary to the national interests. As long as they do not do that it would be little short of a crime to destroy the existing economic system." "
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FDR, who was quoted as saying that his greatest achievement was saving capitalism, accomplished this by nationalizing industry, giving trade unions more power and influence (which resulted in more worker rights), more welfare as well as instituting government-backed social programs.
Nazism and fascism are attempts by the capitalists to save capitalism. They tried to to this by crushing the trade unions, by doing away with welfare, by privatizing industry en masse. All of this resulted in a booming wealth inequality (like in every other fascist society). Workers' share in the economy dropped by 3 percent, while the share of the capitalists exploded by 12 percent during the Nazi regime. Corporate profitability rose by as much as four times when comparing the years 1928 and 1938.
Nazi economist Herbert Backe, who came up with Der Hungerplan (which was supposed to be a plan that starved 30-45 million Slavs and Jews on the Eastern Front; ended up starving 3-5 million people) was inspired by the mass famines of the 19th century during laissez-faire capitalism. There were more famines during this period of laissez-faire capitalism than at any other point of time in history. So-called third-world countries experienced massive famines while Europe basically experienced none (exceptions were Finland and Ireland, specifically in Ireland, laissez-faire capitalists wouldn't ban the export of food during the potato blight). Mind you, these were previously food-secure countries as well. What changed? Well, what changed was colonialists stealing resources from those countries. Read "Victorian Holocausts" by Mark Davis.
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@oscartang4587u3 "Earlier, the Law Regulating National Labor of January 20, 1934, known as the "Charter of Labor," had put the worker in his place and raised the employer to his old position of absolute master — subject, of course, to interference by the all-powerful State. The employer became the "leader of the enterprise," the employees the "following," or Gefolgschaft. Paragraph Two of the law set down that “the leader of the enterprise makes the decisions for the employees and laborers in all matters concerning the enterprise.” And just as in ancient times the lord was supposed to be responsible for the welfare of his subjects so, under the Nazi law, was the employer made “responsible for the well-being of the employees and laborers.” In return, the law said, “the employees and laborers owe him faithfulness” — that is, they were to work hard and long, and no back talk or grumbling, even about wages.
Wages were set by so-called labor trustees, appointed by the Labor Front. In practice, they set the rates according to the wishes of the employer—there was no provision for the workers even to be consulted in such matters—though after 1936, when help became scarce in the armament industries and some employers attempted to raise wages in order to attract men, wage scales were held down by orders of the State. Hitler was quite frank about keeping wages low. “It has been the iron principle of the National Socialist leadership,” he declared early in the regime, “not to permit any rise in the hourly wage rates but to raise income solely by an increase in performance.” In a country where most wages were based at least partly on piecework, this meant that a worker could hope to earn more only by a speed-up and by longer hours."
No wonder capitalists gave the Nazi Party millions upon millions of Reichsmarks prior to the elections in 1933 and saved the Nazi Party from bankruptcy.
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@oscartang4587u3 Leader of the enterprise were employers, dummy, who brought the Nazi Party into power and not the workers. Which is why all the right-wing parties unanimously voted for Hitler's Enabling Act which made him a dictator at the time Hitler was busy jailing, killing, persecuting and exiling leftists.
"The labour movement was destroyed...[L]eaders of German business thrived in this authoritarian atmosphere. In the sphere of their own firms they were now the undisputed leaders, empowered as such by the national labour law of 1934. Owners and managers alike bought enthusiastically into the rhetoric of Fuehrertum. It meshed all too neatly with the concept of Unternehmertum (entrepreneurial leadership) that had become increasingly fashionable in business circles, as an ideological counterpoint to the interventionist tendencies of trade unions and the Weimar welfare state.
In material terms, the consequences of demobilization made themselves felt in a shift in bargaining power in the workplace. In effect, the new regime froze wages and salaries at the level they had reached by the summer of 1933 and placed any future adjustment in the hands of regional trustees of labour... this [can be] taken as an unambiguous expression of business power, since the nominal wage levels prevailing after 1933 were far lower than those in 1929."
- Adam Tooze, "The Wages of Destruction: The Making and Breaking of the Nazi Economy"
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Adam Smith:
"The interest of the dealers, however, in any particular branch of trade or manufacture, is always in some respects different from, and even opposite to, that of the public. To widen the market and to narrow the competition, is always the interest of the dealers. To widen the market may frequently be agreeable enough to the interest of the public; but to narrow the competition must always be against it, and can serve only to enable the dealers, by raising their profits above what they naturally would be, to levy, for their own benefit, an absurd tax upon the rest of their fellow-citizens.
The proposal of any new law or regulation of commerce which comes from this order, ought always to be listened to with great precaution, and ought never to be adopted till after having been long and carefully examined, not only with the most scrupulous, but with the most suspicious attention. It comes from an order of men, whose interest is never exactly the same with that of the public, who have generally an interest to deceive and even to oppress the public, and who accordingly have, upon many occasions, both deceived and oppressed it.”
Again, who's gonna regulate this?
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"After this confession of his belief in the superior race of factory-owners and directors, Hitler went on to declare that rentability must always be the standard of the industry (how differently Gregor Strasser thought on this point!), and when Otto Strasser contradicted him and praised the autarchy of a nationalist economist system, Hitler abruptly interrupted him and said: "That is nothing more than wretched theorism and dilettantism. Do you really believe that we can ever separate ourselves from international trade and finance? On the contrary, our task is to undertake an immense organization of the whole world in which each land shall produce what it requires most and in which the white race -- the Nordic race -- shall take the leading part in administering and carrying out this vast plan. Believe me, National Socialism would not be worth anything if it were to be confined to Germany and did not secure the rule of the superior race over the whole world for at least one or two thousand years.
At this point Gregor Strasser, who had been listening to the discussion, declared that economic autarchy must unquestionably be the aim of National Socialism. Hitler beat a retreat. Yes, he agreed that autarchy must be the ultimate objective in, say, a century. Today, however, it was impossible to cut loose from the international economic system. Once again Strasser let fall the word "Socialism." Hitler replied: "The word 'Socialism' is in itself a bad word. But it is certainly not to be taken as meaning that industry must be socialized, and only to mean that it could be socialized if industrialists were to act contrary to the national interests. As long as they do not do that it would be little short of a crime to destroy the existing economic system." "
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Subsidies, tax breaks, privatization...
You're way out of your depth, Nazi propagandist.
"Thus, de Wendel, a coal mining enterprise, refused to build a hydrogenation plant in 1937. In spring 1939 IG Farben declined a request by the Economics Ministry to enlarge its production of rayon for the use in tires. It also was not prepared to invest a substantial amount in a third Buna (synthetic rubber) factory in Ftirstenberg/Oder, although this was a project of high urgency for the regime. Another interesting example is the one of Froriep GmbH, a firm producing machines for the armaments and autarky-related industries, which also found a ready market abroad. In the second half of the 1930s the demand for the former purposes was so high that exports threatened to be totally crowded out. Therefore the company planned a capacity enlargement, but asked the Reich to share the risk by giving a subsidized credit and permitting exceptional depreciation to reduce its tax load. When the latter demand was not accepted at first, the firm reacted by refusing to invest. In the end the state fully surrendered to the requests of the firm."
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@KameradVonTurnip Pretty much what TIK advocates -- neo-feudalism. And you. You're a bootlicker as well.
"Deprived of his trade unions, collective bargaining and the right to strike, the German worker in the Third Reich became an industrial serf, bound to his master, the employer, much as medieval peasants had been bound to the lord of the manor. The so-called Labor Front, which in theory replaced the old trade unions, did not represent the worker. According to the law of October 24, 1934, which created it, it was “the organization of creative Germans of brain and fist.” It took in not only wage and salary earners but also the employers and members of the professions. It was in reality a vast propaganda organization and, as some workers said, a gigantic fraud. Its aim, as stated in the law, was not to protect the worker but “to create a true social and productive community of all Germans. Its task is to see that every single individual should be able … to perform the maximum of work.” The Labor Front was not an independent administrative organization but, like almost every other group in Nazi Germany except the Army, an integral part of the N.S.D.A.P., or, as its leader, Dr. Ley—the “stammering drunkard,” to use Thyssen’s phrase—said, “an instrument of the party.” Indeed, the October 24 law stipulated that its officials should come from the ranks of the party, the former Nazi unions, the S.A. and the S.S.—and they did."
-- William L. Shirer, "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich"
You are such a bootlicking liar. So much for your Labor Front. You disgust me.
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@KameradVonTurnip You support this. I know you do.
"Earlier, the Law Regulating National Labor of January 20, 1934, known as the “Charter of Labor,” had put the worker in his place and raised the employer to his old position of absolute master—subject, of course, to interference by the all-powerful State. The employer became the “leader of the enterprise,” the employees the “following,” or Gefolgschaft. Paragraph Two of the law set down that “the leader of the enterprise makes the decisions for the employees and laborers in all matters concerning the enterprise.” And just as in ancient times the lord was supposed to be responsible for the welfare of his subjects so, under the Nazi law, was the employer made “responsible for the well-being of the employees and laborers.” In return, the law said, “the employees and laborers owe him faithfulness”—that is, they were to work hard and long, and no back talk or grumbling, even about wages.
Wages were set by so-called labor trustees, appointed by the Labor Front. In practice, they set the rates according to the wishes of the employer—there was no provision for the workers even to be consulted in such matters—though after 1936, when help became scarce in the armament industries and some employers attempted to raise wages in order to attract men, wage scales were held down by orders of the State. Hitler was quite frank about keeping wages low. “It has been the iron principle of the National Socialist leadership,” he declared early in the regime, “not to permit any rise in the hourly wage rates but to raise income solely by an increase in performance.” In a country where most wages were based at least partly on piecework, this meant that a worker could hope to earn more only by a speed-up and by longer hours."
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Hitler banned abortion and punished it with death, not only in Nazi Germany, but also in Vichy France which was controlled by a puppet government.
"Spengler's Prussian socialism was popular amongst the German political right, especially the revolutionary right who had distanced themselves from traditional conservatism. His notions of Prussian socialism influenced Nazism and the Conservative Revolutionary movement."
"Historian Ishay Landa has described the nature of 'Prussian socialism' as decidedly capitalist. For Landa, Spenger strongly opposed labor strikes, trade unions, progressive taxation or any imposition of taxes on the rich, any shortening of the working day, as well as any form of government insurance for sickness, old age, accidents, or unemployment. At the same time as he rejected any social democratic provisions, Spengler celebrated private property, competition, imperialism, capital accumulation, and 'wealth, collected in few hands and among the ruling classes'. Landa describes Spengler's 'Prussian Socialism' as 'working a whole lot, for the absolute minimum, but — and this is a vital aspect — being happy about it.'"
Why does this sound familiar?
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Literally repeating Nazi propaganda.
"A good many paragraphs of the party program were obviously merely a demagogic appeal to the mood of the lower classes at a time when they were in bad straits and were sympathetic to radical and even socialist slogans. Point 11, for example, demanded abolition of incomes unearned by work; Point 12, the nationalization of trusts; Point 13, the sharing with the state of profits from large industry; Point 14, the abolishing of land rents and speculation in land. Point 18 demanded the death penalty for traitors, usurers and profiteers, and Point 16, calling for the maintenance of “a sound middle class,” insisted on the communalization of department stores and their lease at cheap rates to small traders. These demands had been put in at the insistence of Drexler and Feder, who apparently really believed in the 'socialism' of National Socialism. They were the ideas which Hitler was to find embarrassing when the big industrialists and landlords began to pour money into the party coffers, and of course nothing was ever done about them."
- William L. Shirer, "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich"
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@NostalgicGamerRickOShay American conservatives are nothing but a bunch of fascists as proven by the fact they engaged in a fascist coup attempt on January 6, 2021.
Word for word Republican agenda and rhetoric:
"Spengler's Prussian socialism was popular amongst the German political right, especially the revolutionary right who had distanced themselves from traditional conservatism. His notions of Prussian socialism influenced Nazism and the Conservative Revolutionary movement."
"Historian Ishay Landa has described the nature of 'Prussian socialism' as decidedly capitalist. For Landa, Spengler strongly opposed labor strikes, trade unions, progressive taxation or any imposition of taxes on the rich, any shortening of the working day, as well as any form of government insurance for sickness, old age, accidents, or unemployment. At the same time as he rejected any social democratic provisions, Spengler celebrated private property, competition, imperialism, capital accumulation, and 'wealth, collected in few hands and among the ruling classes'. Landa describes Spengler's 'Prussian Socialism' as 'working a whole lot, for the absolute minimum, but — and this is a vital aspect — being happy about it.'"
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@NostalgicGamerRickOShay Nazis were against welfare. Guess who's against welfare in the US?
"Cutting back on welfare payments was only part of a wider strategy. Urging the German people to engage in self-help instead of relying on payouts from the state carried with it the implication that those who could not help themselves were dispensable, indeed a positive threat to the future health of the German people. The racially unsound, deviants, criminals, the ‘asocial’ and the like were to be excluded from the welfare system altogether. As we have seen, by 1937-8 members of the underclass, social deviants and petty criminals were being arrested in large numbers and put into concentration camps since they were regarded by the Nazis as being of no use to the regime. In the end, therefore, as soon as rearmament had soaked up the mass of the unemployed, the Nazis’ original scepticism about the benefits of social welfare reasserted itself in the most brutal possible way."
Source: The Third Reich in Power, Richard J. Evans
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@NostalgicGamerRickOShay Nazis banned abortion and birth control centers, just like conservatives are trying to do in the US. So much for "individual liberty".
"The Nazis' rigorous enforcement of section 218 followed logically from the high regard they had for motherhood. In the first five years of the regime, convictions under section 218 increased by 50%, while birth control centers were shut down and access to contraception was curtailed. During World War II, the Nazis called for the death penalty for repeat offenders against section 218. While the Nazis imposed a very strict anti-abortion scheme for healthy 'Aryans,' they allowed and encouraged abortion if either of the parents was believed to carry hereditary defects. The Nazis further undermined family planning by strictly enforcing existing prohibitions on the display and advertising of contraception. On May 26, 1933, the Nazis re-introduced the prohibitions on publicity or education regarding abortion or abortifacients that had been abolished during the Weimar Republic. Doctors were understandably anxious about referring patients for therapeutic abortions in such circumstances, and the number of referrals declined from about 44,000 in 1932 to 4,131 in 1937."
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@NostalgicGamerRickOShay "Facing the demagogic trend, [political] liberalism is the form of suicide committed by our sick society. With this perspective it gives itself up. The merciless, embittered class war that is waged against it finds it ready to capitulate politically, after having helped spiritually to forge the enemy’s weapons.
"Only the conservative element, weak as it was in the 19th century, can and will in the future, prevent the coming of this end (125)." What Spengler refers to as “conservatism” is thus simply a means to shelter liberal society from itself, rescue the economic order from the suicidal tendencies of its politically liberal “protectors.”
Like Donoso, Spengler palpably shows how “conservatism” and “anti-liberalism” are not necessarily motivated by opposition to capitalism or a longing for the socioeconomic order predating it, but can come precisely to succor the economic liberal order in its hour of greatest need. Conservatives are thus willing to toss out the bathwater of political liberalism to save the baby of capitalism."
Conservatives are willing to do away with democracy and resort to fascism to rescue capitalism, or the economic liberal order. Or what's known in the US as the fiscal conservative order.
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@NostalgicGamerRickOShay "This intertwining of profit, politics and technology was nowhere more dramatic than in the case of Germany’s great chemical giant, IG Farben. By the late 1930s IG Farben, with over two hundred thousand employees and assets totalling over 1.6 billion Reichsmarks, was one of the largest private companies not only in Germany, but in the world. At Nuremberg and after, its close relationship with the Nazi regime was taken as emblematic of the wider entanglement of German industry with the Third Reich."
"Though the Depression hit IG hard, the firm would surely have prospered under virtually any regime imaginable in Germany in the 1930s. In no sense of the word did the German chemical industry ‘need’ Hitler. And yet, as a result of a series of technical decisions, the leaders of Germany’s chemical industry moved into an ever-closer alliance with the German state."
"Conversely, it was IG Farben’s expensive investment in these technologies that gave the otherwise internationally minded corporation a powerful incentive to collaborate with Hitler and his nationalist programme." - "Wages of Destruction"
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@TheIrishMugFug The market can never be free without a strong government to regulate business.
"The interest of the dealers, however, in any particular branch of trade or manufacture, is always in some respects different from, and even opposite to, that of the public. To widen the market and to narrow the competition, is always the interest of the dealers. To widen the market may frequently be agreeable enough to the interest of the public; but to narrow the competition must always be against it, and can serve only to enable the dealers, by raising their profits above what they naturally would be, to levy, for their own benefit, an absurd tax upon the rest of their fellow-citizens.
The proposal of any new law or regulation of commerce which comes from this order, ought always to be listened to with great precaution, and ought never to be adopted till after having been long and carefully examined, not only with the most scrupulous, but with the most suspicious attention. It comes from an order of men, whose interest is never exactly the same with that of the public, who have generally an interest to deceive and even to oppress the public, and who accordingly have, upon many occasions, both deceived and oppressed it.”
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@oscartang4587u3 "Thus, de Wendel, a coal mining enterprise, refused to build a hydrogenation plant in 1937. In spring 1939 IG Farben declined a request by the Economics Ministry to enlarge its production of rayon for the use in tires. It also was not prepared to invest a substantial amount in a third Buna (synthetic rubber) factory in Ftirstenberg/Oder, although this was a project of high urgency for the regime. Another interesting example is the one of Froriep GmbH, a firm producing machines for the armaments and autarky-related industries, which also found a ready market abroad. In the second half of the 1930s the demand for the former purposes was so high that exports threatened to be totally crowded out. Therefore the company planned a capacity enlargement, but asked the Reich to share the risk by giving a subsidized credit and permitting exceptional depreciation to reduce its tax load. When the latter demand was not accepted at first, the firm reacted by refusing to invest. In the end the state fully surrendered to the requests of the firm."
Lobbying for tax breaks, asking for subsidies and asking the state to take more of a financial risk, I wonder what this reminds me of.
The all-mighty totalitarian state fully surrender to the requests of the firm which apparently had no right to private property. Funny that.
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@oscartang4587u3 "This intertwining of profit, politics and technology was nowhere more dramatic than in the case of Germany’s great chemical giant, IG Farben. By the late 1930s IG Farben, with over two hundred thousand employees and assets totalling over 1.6 billion Reichsmarks, was one of the largest private companies not only in Germany, but in the world. At Nuremberg and after, its close relationship with the Nazi regime was taken as emblematic of the wider entanglement of German industry with the Third Reich."
"Though the Depression hit IG hard, the firm would surely have prospered under virtually any regime imaginable in Germany in the 1930s. In no sense of the word did the German chemical industry ‘need’ Hitler. And yet, as a result of a series of technical decisions, the leaders of Germany’s chemical industry moved into an ever-closer alliance with the German state."
"Conversely, it was IG Farben’s expensive investment in these technologies that gave the otherwise internationally minded corporation a powerful incentive to collaborate with Hitler and his nationalist programme."
- Adam Tooze, "Wages of Destruction"
IG Farben giving the Nazis 4.5 million Reichsmarks and saving them from bankruptcy paid off handsomely until its executives were tried and convicted in the Nuremberg trials for their role in the Nazi regime, crimes against humanity, their actions in committing the Holocaust and the use of slave labor. IG Farben was also split into 4 distinct companies by the Allies. Capitalists probably think that was socialism too.
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