Comments by "Nick Nolte" (@nicknolte8671) on "RE: NS is Socialism | Responding to your counterarguments and Further Explanation" video.

@bestdjaf7499 Lol, the Daily Mirror is a British tabloid rag. "However, the economic programs of the great majority of fascist movements were extremely conservative, favouring the wealthy far more than the middle class and the working class. Their talk of national “socialism” was quite fraudulent in this respect. Although some workers were duped by it before the fascists came to power, most remained loyal to the traditional antifascist parties of the left. As historian John Weiss noted, “Property and income distribution and the traditional class structure remained roughly the same under fascist rule. What changes there were favored the old elites or certain segments of the party leadership.” Historian Roger Eatwell concurred: “If a revolution is understood to mean a significant shift in class relations, including a redistribution of income and wealth, there was no Nazi revolution.” - Encyclopedia Britannica
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I guess you know better than the United States Holocaust Museum. "The Nazi Party was one of a number of right-wing extremist political groups that emerged in Germany following World War I. Beginning with the onset of the Great Depression it rose rapidly from obscurity to political prominence, becoming the largest party in the German parliament in 1932."
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"The domestic agenda [in Nazi Germany] was one of authoritarian conservatism, with a pronounced distaste for parliamentary politics, high taxes, welfare spending and trade unions." -- Adam Tooze, "The Wages of Destruction: The Making and Breaking of the Nazi Economy"
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@ranickhaan Secret Meeting of February 20 1933: "The experience of the last fourteen years had shown that ‘private enterprise cannot be maintained in the age of democracy’. Business was founded above all on the principles of personality and individual leadership. Democracy and liberalism led inevitably to Social Democracy and Communism. After fourteen years of degeneration, the moment had now come to resolve the fatal divisions within the German body politic. Hitler would show no mercy towards his enemies on the left. It was time ‘to crush the other side completely’. The next phase in the struggle would begin after the elections of 5 March. If the Nazis were able to gain another 33 seats in the Reichstag, then the actions against the Communists would be covered by ‘constitutional means’. But, ‘regardless of the outcome there will be no retreat . . . if the election does not decide . . . the decision must be brought about even by other means’." - Adolf Hitler By other means, such as storming the Capitol, err, I mean, Reichstag.
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@ranickhaan "After this confession of his belief in the superior race of factory-owners and directors, Hitler went on to declare that rentability must always be the standard of the industry (how differently Gregor Strasser thought on this point!), and when Otto Strasser contradicted him and praised the autarchy of a nationalist economist system, Hitler abruptly interrupted him and said: "That is nothing more than wretched theorism and dilettantism. Do you really believe that we can ever separate ourselves from international trade and finance? On the contrary, our task is to undertake an immense organization of the whole world in which each land shall produce what it requires most and in which the white race -- the Nordic race -- shall take the leading part in administering and carrying out this vast plan. Believe me, National Socialism would not be worth anything if it were to be confined to Germany and did not secure the rule of the superior race over the whole world for at least one or two thousand years. At this point Gregor Strasser, who had been listening to the discussion, declared that economic autarchy must unquestionably be the aim of National Socialism. Hitler beat a retreat. Yes, he agreed that autarchy must be the ultimate objective in, say, a century. Today, however, it was impossible to cut loose from the international economic system. Once again Strasser let fall the word "Socialism." Hitler replied: "The word 'Socialism' is in itself a bad word. But it is certainly not to be taken as meaning that industry must be socialized, and only to mean that it could be socialized if industrialists were to act contrary to the national interests. As long as they do not do that it would be little short of a crime to destroy the existing economic system." "
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@ranickhaan "Strasser said that he did deny it: National Socialism was an idea which was still in evolution, and in that evolutionary process Hitler certainly played a specially important role. The 'idea' itself was Socialism. Here Hitler interrupted Strasser by declaring that this so-called Socialism was nothing but pure Marxism. There was no such thing as a capitalist system. A factory-owner was depended upon his workmen. If they went on strike, then his so-called property became utterly worthless. At this point Hitler turned to his neighbour Amann and said: 'What right have these people to demand a share in property or even in the administration? Herr Amann, would you permit your typist to have any voice in your affairs? The employer who accepts the responsibility for production also gives the workpeople their means of livelihood. Our greatest industrialists are not concerned with the acquisition of wealth or with good living, but, above all else, with responsibility and power. They have worked their way to the top by their own abilities, and this proof of their capacity -- a capacity only displayed by a higher race--gives them the right to lead."
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Parties that voted (unanimously at that) for Hitler to become a dictator (Enabling Act of 1933): -The German National People's Party was a national-conservative party in Germany during the Weimar Republic. Before the rise of the Nazi Party, it was the major conservative and nationalist party in Weimar Germany. It was an alliance of nationalists, reactionary monarchists, völkisch and antisemitic elements supported by the Pan-German League. -Centre [Catholic] Party (Ideology - Social conservatism) -Bavarian People's Party (branch of the Centre Party, Ideology - Social conservatism, Conservatism) -"The Christian Social People's Service was a Protestant conservative political party in the Weimar Republic." -The German People's Party (Ideology - National liberalism, Civic nationalism, Conservative liberalism, Constitutional monarchism, Economic liberalism) Notice a pattern? All right-wingers and all conservatives.
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"The domestic agenda [in Nazi Germany] was one of authoritarian conservatism, with a pronounced distaste for parliamentary politics, high taxes, welfare spending and trade unions." -- Adam Tooze, "The Wages of Destruction: The Making and Breaking of the Nazi Economy"
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"The experience of the last fourteen years had shown that ‘private enterprise cannot be maintained in the age of democracy’. Business was founded above all on the principles of personality and individual leadership. Democracy and liberalism led inevitably to Social Democracy and Communism. After fourteen years of degeneration, the moment had now come to resolve the fatal divisions within the German body politic. Hitler would show no mercy towards his enemies on the left. It was time ‘to crush the other side completely’. The next phase in the struggle would begin after the elections of 5 March. If the Nazis were able to gain another 33 seats in the Reichstag, then the actions against the Communists would be covered by ‘constitutional means’. But, ‘regardless of the outcome there will be no retreat . . . if the election does not decide . . . the decision must be brought about even by other means’." - Adolf Hitler By other means, such as storming the Capitol, err, I mean, Reichstag.
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@tipsy09 "A second cause has to do with the conviction even in the highest ranks of the Nazi elite that private property itself provided important incentives to achieve greater cost consciousness, efficiency gains, and technical progress. The principle that Four Year Plan projects were to be executed as far as possible by private industry was explicitly motivated in the following way: 'It is important to maintain the free initiative of industry. Only in that case can one expect to be successful.'" Some time earlier a similar consideration was expressed: 'Private companies, which are in charge of the plants to be constructed, should to a large extent invest their own means in order to secure a responsible management.' During the war Goering said it always was his aim to let private firms finance the aviation industry so that private initiative would be 'strengthened.' Even Adolf Hitler frequently made clear his opposition in principle to any bureaucratic managing of the economy, because that, by preventing the natural selection process, would 'give a guarantee to the preservation of the weakest average [sic] and represent a burden to the higher ability, industry and value, thus being a cost to the general welfare.'"
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@tipsy09 "Mussolini, a leading member of the Italian Socialist Party (Partito Socialista Italiano) before World War I, became a fierce antisocialist after the war. After coming to power, he banned all Marxist organizations and replaced their trade unions with government-controlled corporatist unions. Until he instituted a war economy in the mid-1930s, Mussolini allowed industrialists to run their companies with a minimum of government interference. Despite his former anticapitalist rhetoric, he cut taxes on business, permitted cartel growth, decreed wage reduction, and rescinded the eight-hour-workday law. Between 1928 and 1932 real wages in Italy dropped by almost half. Mussolini admitted that the standard of living had fallen but stated that “fortunately the Italian people were not accustomed to eating much and therefore feel the privation less acutely than others."
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Nazis privatized more industry than any other capitalist country in the West at that time, where the trend was nationalization. Germany had nationalized healthcare before Hitler was born. "The domestic agenda [in Nazi Germany] was one of authoritarian conservatism, with a pronounced distaste for parliamentary politics, high taxes, welfare spending and trade unions." -- Adam Tooze, "The Wages of Destruction: The Making and Breaking of the Nazi Economy" Hitler wasn't half-Jewish, that's a dumb anti-Semitic conspiracy theory.
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Nazis were planning to eventually go to war against Japan. Read Friedrich Kellner if you read at all.
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Capitalists saved the Nazi Party from bankruptcy and proppeled it to power. Were they stupid? Were they suicidal? Nope, it paid off. Corporate profitability jumped 4 times when comparing the gears 1928 and 1938. "At the February meeting, the I.G. Farben executives gave the Nazis 400,000 marks, and a total of 4.5 million marks by the end of 1933, according to 'The Crime and Punishment of I.G. Farben'. This infusion of corporate cash saved the Nazi Party from financial disaster. The rest, as they say, is history — tragic, tragic history."
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Parties that voted (unanimously at that) for Hitler to become a dictator (Enabling Act of 1933): -The German National People's Party was a national-conservative party in Germany during the Weimar Republic. Before the rise of the Nazi Party, it was the major conservative and nationalist party in Weimar Germany. It was an alliance of nationalists, reactionary monarchists, völkisch and antisemitic elements supported by the Pan-German League. -Centre [Catholic] Party (Ideology - Social conservatism) -Bavarian People's Party (branch of the Centre Party, Ideology - Social conservatism, Conservatism) -"The Christian Social People's Service was a Protestant conservative political party in the Weimar Republic." -The German People's Party (Ideology - National liberalism, Civic nationalism, Conservative liberalism, Constitutional monarchism, Economic liberalism) Notice a pattern? All right-wingers and all conservatives.
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"Strasser said that he did deny it: National Socialism was an idea which was still in evolution, and in that evolutionary process Hitler certainly played a specially important role. The 'idea' itself was Socialism. Here Hitler interrupted Strasser by declaring that this so-called Socialism was nothing but pure Marxism. There was no such thing as a capitalist system. A factory-owner was depended upon his workmen. If they went on strike, then his so-called property became utterly worthless. At this point Hitler turned to his neighbour Amann and said: 'What right have these people to demand a share in property or even in the administration? Herr Amann, would you permit your typist to have any voice in your affairs? The employer who accepts the responsibility for production also gives the workpeople their means of livelihood. Our greatest industrialists are not concerned with the acquisition of wealth or with good living, but, above all else, with responsibility and power. They have worked their way to the top by their own abilities, and this proof of their capacity -- a capacity only displayed by a higher race--gives them the right to lead."
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"For at that date Hitler was still respectable. He had crushed the German labour movement, and for that the property-owning classes were willing to forgive him almost anything. Both Left and Right concurred in the very shallow notion that National Socialism was merely a version of Conservatism." - George Orwell
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@Lindedelaciencia How is outlawing strikes, defrauding workers and banning collective bargaining following "socialistic practices"? Have you even read the wikipedia pages you're citing? How is settling labor disputes 100% in favor of employers socialist?
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@Lindedelaciencia Why did 19 industrialists sign a petition in 1932 to make Hitler the chancellor? Were they suicidal? Why did US industrialists support Hitler? Why did IG Farben give the Nazis 4.5 million Reichsmarks and save them from bankruptcy? Because IG Farben became one of the biggest private companies in the world during Nazi rule. The Allies later broke that company up and its executives were tried and convicted for their role in the Nazi regime, the Holocaust, crimes against humanity and the use of slave labor.
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@Lindedelaciencia "This intertwining of profit, politics and technology was nowhere more dramatic than in the case of Germany’s great chemical giant, IG Farben. By the late 1930s IG Farben, with over two hundred thousand employees and assets totalling over 1.6 billion Reichsmarks, was one of the largest private companies not only in Germany, but in the world. At Nuremberg and after, its close relationship with the Nazi regime was taken as emblematic of the wider entanglement of German industry with the Third Reich." "Though the Depression hit IG hard, the firm would surely have prospered under virtually any regime imaginable in Germany in the 1930s. In no sense of the word did the German chemical industry ‘need’ Hitler. And yet, as a result of a series of technical decisions, the leaders of Germany’s chemical industry moved into an ever-closer alliance with the German state." "Conversely, it was IG Farben’s expensive investment in these technologies that gave the otherwise internationally minded corporation a powerful incentive to collaborate with Hitler and his nationalist programme." - "Wages of Destruction"
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@Lindedelaciencia "How did the Third Reich deal with the unemployed and the destitute who suffered in their millions under the Depression and were still suffering when they came to power? Nazi ideology did not in principle favour the idea of social welfare. In My Struggle, Hitler, writing about the time he had spent living amongst the poor and the destitute in Vienna before the First World War, had waxed indignant about the way in which social welfare had encouraged the preservation of the degenerate and the feeble. From a Social Darwinist point of view, charity and philanthropy were evils that had to be eliminated if the German race was to be strengthened and its weakest elements weeded out in the process of natural selection. The Nazi Party frequently condemned the elaborate welfare system that had grown up under the Weimar Republic as bureaucratic, cumbersome and directed essentially to the wrong ends." Source: Richard J. Evans, "The Third Reich in Power"
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I guess you know better than the Holocaust Museum. "The Nazi Party was one of a number of right-wing extremist political groups that emerged in Germany following World War I. Beginning with the onset of the Great Depression it rose rapidly from obscurity to political prominence, becoming the largest party in the German parliament in 1932."
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@tipsy09 "First, one has to keep in mind that Nazi ideology held entrepreneurship in high regard. Private property was considered a precondition to developing the creativity of members of the German race in the best interest of the people. Therefore, it is not astonishing that Otto Ohlendorf, an enthusiastic National Socialist and high-ranking SS officer, who since November 1943 held a top position in the Reich Economics Ministry, did not like Speer's system of industrial production at all. He strongly criticized the cartel-like organization of the war economy where groups of interested private parties exercised state power to the detriment of the small and medium entrepreneur. For the postwar period he therefore advocated a clear separation of the state from private enterprises with the former establishing a general framework for the activity of the latter. In his opinion it was the constant aim of National Socialist economic policy, 'to restrict as little as possible the creative activities of the individual. . . . Private property is the natural precondition to the development of personality. Only private property is able to further the continuous attachment to a certain work.'"
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@Lindedelaciencia Encyclopedia Britannica: "However, the economic programs of the great majority of fascist movements were extremely conservative, favouring the wealthy far more than the middle class and the working class. Their talk of national “socialism” was quite fraudulent in this respect. Although some workers were duped by it before the fascists came to power, most remained loyal to the traditional antifascist parties of the left. As historian John Weiss noted, “Property and income distribution and the traditional class structure remained roughly the same under fascist rule. What changes there were favored the old elites or certain segments of the party leadership.” Historian Roger Eatwell concurred: “If a revolution is understood to mean a significant shift in class relations, including a redistribution of income and wealth, there was no Nazi revolution.”
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@Lindedelaciencia Who profited during Nazi years? "Although millions more had jobs, the share of all German workers in the national income fell from 56.9 per cent in the depression year of 1932 to 53.6 per cent in the boom year of 1938. At the same time income from capital and business rose from 17.4 per cent of the national income to 26.6 per cent. It is true that because of much greater employment the total income from wages and salaries grew from twenty-five billion marks to forty-two billions, an increase of 66 per cent. But income from capital and business rose much more steeply—by 146 per cent. All the propagandists in the Third Reich from Hitler on down were accustomed to rant in their public speeches against the bourgeois and the capitalist and proclaim their solidarity with the worker. But a sober study of the official statistics, which perhaps few Germans bothered to make, revealed that the much maligned capitalists, not the workers, benefited most from Nazi policies." Source: William L. Shirer, "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich" Corporate profitability shot up four times before the years 1928 and 1938.
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@Lindedelaciencia "The Economist magazine introduced the term privatisation (alternatively privatisation or reprivatisation after the German Reprivatisierung) during the 1930s when it covered Nazi Germany's economic policy."
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@Lindedelaciencia "Their identity was a secret which was kept from all but the inner circle around the Leader. The party had to play both sides of the tracks. It had to allow Strasser, Goebbels and the crank Feder to beguile the masses with the cry that the National Socialists were truly 'socialists' and against the money barons. On the other hand, money to keep the party going had to be wheedled out of those who had an ample supply of it. Throughout the latter half of 1931, says Dietrich, Hitler 'traversed Germany from end to end, holding private interviews with prominent [business] personalities.' So hush-hush were some of these meetings that they had to be held 'in some lonely forest glade. Privacy,' explains Dietrich, 'was absolutely imperative; the press must have no chance of doing mischief. Success was the consequence.'" - William L. Shirer, "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich
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@Lindedelaciencia Adam Tooze: "The labour movement was destroyed...[L]eaders of German business thrived in this authoritarian atmosphere. In the sphere of their own firms they were now the undisputed leaders, empowered as such by the national labour law of 1934. Owners and managers alike bought enthusiastically into the rhetoric of Fuehrertum. It meshed all too neatly with the concept of Unternehmertum (entrepreneurial leadership) that had become increasingly fashionable in business circles, as an ideological counterpoint to the interventionist tendencies of trade unions and the Weimar welfare state. In material terms, the consequences of demobilization made themselves felt in a shift in bargaining power in the workplace. In effect, the new regime froze wages and salaries at the level they had reached by the summer of 1933 and placed any future adjustment in the hands of regional trustees of labour... this [can be] taken as an unambiguous expression of business power, since the nominal wage levels prevailing after 1933 were far lower than those in 1929."
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@Lindedelaciencia "Strasser said that he did deny it: National Socialism was an idea which was still in evolution, and in that evolutionary process Hitler certainly played a specially important role. The 'idea' itself was Socialism. Here Hitler interrupted Strasser by declaring that this so-called Socialism was nothing but pure Marxism. There was no such thing as a capitalist system. A factory-owner was depended upon his workmen. If they went on strike, then his so-called property became utterly worthless. At this point Hitler turned to his neighbour Amann and said: 'What right have these people to demand a share in property or even in the administration? Herr Amann, would you permit your typist to have any voice in your affairs? The employer who accepts the responsibility for production also gives the workpeople their means of livelihood. Our greatest industrialists are not concerned with the acquisition of wealth or with good living, but, above all else, with responsibility and power. They have worked their way to the top by their own abilities, and this proof of their capacity -- a capacity only displayed by a higher race--gives them the right to lead."
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Nazis: -banned unions -banned striking -forbade workers from quitting and seeking better employment, effectively making them industrial serfs -expanded the workweek to 73 hours -privatized mote industry than any other capitalist country in the world at that time (a policy of privatization that would be copied in many capitalist countries in the decades that followed) -privatized the 4 biggest banks, the largest public enterprise in the world, they were even busy privatizing companies that made aircraft necessary for war during the war itself -opposed welfare and privatized it -income taxes were at 14% in Nazi germany during the biggest land invasion in world history, Operation Barbarossa... they were 10% higher in Great Britain under a conservative government Geez, no wonder all the right-wing parties unanimously voted for Hitler to become a dictator.
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@Lindedelaciencia Maybe you ought to stop believing Nazi propaganda. "A good many paragraphs of the party program were obviously merely a demagogic appeal to the mood of the lower classes at a time when they were in bad straits and were sympathetic to radical and even socialist slogans. Point 11, for example, demanded abolition of incomes unearned by work; Point 12, the nationalization of trusts; Point 13, the sharing with the state of profits from large industry; Point 14, the abolishing of land rents and speculation in land. Point 18 demanded the death penalty for traitors, usurers and profiteers, and Point 16, calling for the maintenance of “a sound middle class,” insisted on the communalization of department stores and their lease at cheap rates to small traders. These demands had been put in at the insistence of Drexler and Feder, who apparently really believed in the 'socialism' of National Socialism. They were the ideas which Hitler was to find embarrassing when the big industrialists and landlords began to pour money into the party coffers, and of course nothing was ever done about them." - William L. Shirer, "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich"
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@Lindedelaciencia Secret Meeting of February 20 1933 between Adolf Hitler and 20-25 industrialists in Hermann Goering's villa: "The experience of the last fourteen years had shown that ‘private enterprise cannot be maintained in the age of democracy’. Business was founded above all on the principles of personality and individual leadership. Democracy and liberalism led inevitably to Social Democracy and Communism. After fourteen years of degeneration, the moment had now come to resolve the fatal divisions within the German body politic. Hitler would show no mercy towards his enemies on the left. It was time ‘to crush the other side completely’. The next phase in the struggle would begin after the elections of 5 March. If the Nazis were able to gain another 33 seats in the Reichstag, then the actions against the Communists would be covered by ‘constitutional means’. But, ‘regardless of the outcome there will be no retreat . . . if the election does not decide . . . the decision must be brought about even by other means’."
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@Lindedelaciencia "Spengler's Prussian socialism was popular amongst the German political right, especially the revolutionary right who had distanced themselves from traditional conservatism. His notions of Prussian socialism influenced Nazism and the Conservative Revolutionary movement." "Historian Ishay Landa has described the nature of 'Prussian socialism' as decidedly capitalist. For Landa, Spengler strongly opposed labor strikes, trade unions, progressive taxation or any imposition of taxes on the rich, any shortening of the working day, as well as any form of government insurance for sickness, old age, accidents, or unemployment. At the same time as he rejected any social democratic provisions, Spengler celebrated private property, competition, imperialism, capital accumulation, and 'wealth, collected in few hands and among the ruling classes'. Landa describes Spengler's 'Prussian Socialism' as 'working a whole lot, for the absolute minimum, but — and this is a vital aspect — being happy about it.'" Spengler called any sort of taxation "Bolshevism". The author of this video, by the way, completely misrepresents what Spengler stood for. Spengler, for example, said that working only 40 hours was half the "normal human output". By the way, you can look up all the names of the parties in Germany at that time. They were all called "of the people's" and whatnot, does that mean they were all socialist? No, it means capitalism wasn't very popular in Germany following WWI and the biggest crisis of capitalism (Great Depression). What's in a name?
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@Lindedelaciencia "Besides the NSDAP deputies, those of the German National People’s Party, the Centre, the Bavarian People’s Party, the German State Party, the Christian Social People’s Service (Christlich-Sozialer Volksdienst) – a Protestant party – the German Farmers’ Party (Deutsche Bauernpartei) and the German People’s Party all voted for the Enabling Act. Only the deputies from the Social Democratic Party of Germany voted en bloc against the bill, in spite of the massive intimidation by the SA and SS, whose troops had moved in to surround the Kroll Opera House, where the Reichstag was now meeting."
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@Lindedelaciencia Nazis banned abortion and punished it with death, not only in Nazi Germany but also in Vichy France. They were so ideologically opposed to abortion they even made their puppet state conform to their own ideological goals. Nazis opposed vaccines and relaxed mandatory vaccination requirements that existed for 50+ years before them and would exist for almost 20 years after them. "What could explain the restraint in this important field of public health care? Why, in 1933, did the state give up its previous claims to power in the area of preventive care for the "people's body"? The ongoing debate about the Lübeck vaccination scandal offers a first explanation for the concerns of the time. A second is rooted in Nazi ideology itself, since vaccination posed serious problems from a "racial hygiene" point of view. After all, immunization against diseases strongly contradicts the idea of hardening and selection." [translated from German] "Deutsches Volk, hab‘ nichts mit dem Impfen gemein, / Es ist jeder wahren Gesundheitspflege Hohn, / Und willst Du nicht selbst Dein Totengräber sein, / Dann bekenn‘ Dich entschlossen zur Anti-Vakzi-Nation!" "German people, have nothing in common with vaccination, / It is a mockery of all true health care, / And if you don't want to be your own gravedigger, / Then decisively profess your allegiance to the Anti-Vakzi Nation!" Gee, I wonder who opposes abortion today and promotes pseudoscientific beliefs about vaccinations.
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@Lindedelaciencia "Deprived of his trade unions, collective bargaining and the right to strike, the German worker in the Third Reich became an industrial serf, bound to his master, the employer, much as medieval peasants had been bound to the lord of the manor. The so-called Labor Front, which in theory replaced the old trade unions, did not represent the worker. According to the law of October 24, 1934, which created it, it was “the organization of creative Germans of brain and fist.” It took in not only wage and salary earners but also the employers and members of the professions. It was in reality a vast propaganda organization and, as some workers said, a gigantic fraud. Its aim, as stated in the law, was not to protect the worker but “to create a true social and productive community of all Germans. Its task is to see that every single individual should be able … to perform the maximum of work.” The Labor Front was not an independent administrative organization but, like almost every other group in Nazi Germany except the Army, an integral part of the N.S.D.A.P., or, as its leader, Dr. Ley—the “stammering drunkard,” to use Thyssen’s phrase—said, “an instrument of the party.” Indeed, the October 24 law stipulated that its officials should come from the ranks of the party, the former Nazi unions, the S.A. and the S.S.—and they did. Earlier, the Law Regulating National Labor of January 20, 1934, known as the “Charter of Labor,” had put the worker in his place and raised the employer to his old position of absolute master—subject, of course, to interference by the all-powerful State. The employer became the “leader of the enterprise,” the employees the “following,” or Gefolgschaft. Paragraph Two of the law set down that “the leader of the enterprise makes the decisions for the employees and laborers in all matters concerning the enterprise.” And just as in ancient times the lord was supposed to be responsible for the welfare of his subjects so, under the Nazi law, was the employer made “responsible for the well-being of the employees and laborers.” In return, the law said, “the employees and laborers owe him faithfulness”—that is, they were to work hard and long, and no back talk or grumbling, even about wages." Source: William L. Shirer, "The Rise and Fall of the Third Reich"
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@Lindedelaciencia "Facing the demagogic trend, [political] liberalism is the form of suicide committed by our sick society. With this perspective it gives itself up. The merciless, embittered class war that is waged against it finds it ready to capitulate politically, after having helped spiritually to forge the enemy’s weapons. Only the conservative element, weak as it was in the 19th century, can and will in the future, prevent the coming of this end (125)." What Spengler refers to as “conservatism” is thus simply a means to shelter liberal society from itself, rescue the economic order from the suicidal tendencies of its politically liberal “protectors.” Like Donoso, Spengler palpably shows how “conservatism” and “anti-liberalism” are not necessarily motivated by opposition to capitalism or a longing for the socioeconomic order predating it, but can come precisely to succor the economic liberal order in its hour of greatest need. Conservatives are thus willing to toss out the bathwater of political liberalism to save the baby of capitalism." Source: Ishay Landa, "Sorceror's Apprentice"
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@tipsy09 Adam Smith wrote that a free market can never exist in a society uniquely influenced by merchants and manufacturers. Meaning, a free market has never existed in reality. He also wrote that merchants and manufacturers will always seek out to narrow the market and that their legislative advice should be taken with a grain of salt because "they seek to oppress and have oppressed the public". When Jewish property was expropriated by the Nazis, it mostly went to "Aryan" capitalists. In large corporations, that meant Jewish executives were deposed and Jewish stockholders were voted out. Of course, the capitalists loved getting more property, after all, they were the ones who saved the Nazi Party from bankruptcy and gave it tens of millions of Reichsmarks even while the effects of the Great Depression were still being felt acutely. Priorities and all that.
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@Lindedelaciencia Prove it's quote mining. Good luck. Ei incumbit probatio qui dicit, non qui negat. Read "The Sorceror's Apprentice" by Ishay Landa. He quite conclusively demonstrates that fascism came about in order to "rescue" capitalism and the economic liberal order from "political liberalism", i.e. democratization of society. Hitler was an elitist, who thought that society could only survive through strict competition, colonization and imperialism.
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@Lindedelaciencia "In the fields of thinking, of artistic creation, even of economy, this process of selection still takes place today, though especially in the latter it is exposed to a serious handicap... Here in all cases the idea of a personality is still dominant... Political life alone has today completely turned away from this most natural principle... Marxism, indeed, presents itself as the perfection of the Jew's attempt at excluding the overwhelming importance of the personality in all domains of human life and of replacing it by the number of the masses. To this corresponds politically the parliamentary form of government... and economically the labor union movement... In the same measure in which economy is deprived of the effect of the principle of personality, and instead is exposed to the influences and effects of the masses, it is bound to lose efficiency, serving all and valuable for all, and will gradually fall into a definite regression." - Mein Kampf
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@Lindedelaciencia That's not what quote mining is. Quote mining is intended to obfuscate and distort the original meaning. Demonstrate where I have distorted the original meaning. "[H]e [Hitler] assumed that struggle among individuals took a mainly economic form. That assumption provided the basis for another, namely, that economic competition -- or, as he sometimes characterized it, the 'play of forces' -- was essential for a nation's health. Only through competition could the 'aristocratic principle of nature' assert itself in the life of a nation, thus ensuring that the fittest persons, the 'superior individuals' as he put it, would prevail."
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He didn't name it, you liar. Here's a guy known for his right-wing views, like neo-confederacy and apologism for German armed forces. “Meanwhile, on February 20, 1920, the German Workers’ Party changed its name to the National Socialist German Workers’ Party (Nationalsozialistische Deutsche Arbeitpartei, called the NSDAP or Nazi Party). Hitler did not like the addition of the term “Socialist” but acquiesced because the executive committee thought it might be helpful in attracting workers from the left.” — Samuel Mitcham, “Why Hitler?”
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"The domestic agenda [in Nazi Germany] was one of authoritarian conservatism, with a pronounced distaste for parliamentary politics, high taxes, welfare spending and trade unions." -- Adam Tooze, "The Wages of Destruction: The Making and Breaking of the Nazi Economy"
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"First, one has to keep in mind that Nazi ideology held entrepreneurship in high regard. Private property was considered a precondition to developing the creativity of members of the German race in the best interest of the people. Therefore, it is not astonishing that Otto Ohlendorf, an enthusiastic National Socialist and high-ranking SS officer, who since November 1943 held a top position in the Reich Economics Ministry, did not like Speer's system of industrial production at all. He strongly criticized the cartel-like organization of the war economy where groups of interested private parties exercised state power to the detriment of the small and medium entrepreneur. For the postwar period he therefore advocated a clear separation of the state from private enterprises with the former establishing a general framework for the activity of the latter. In his opinion it was the constant aim of National Socialist economic policy, 'to restrict as little as possible the creative activities of the individual. . . . Private property is the natural precondition to the development of personality. Only private property is able to further the continuous attachment to a certain work.'"
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"A second cause has to do with the conviction even in the highest ranks of the Nazi elite that private property itself provided important incentives to achieve greater cost consciousness, efficiency gains, and technical progress. The principle that Four Year Plan projects were to be executed as far as possible by private industry was explicitly motivated in the following way: 'It is important to maintain the free initiative of industry. Only in that case can one expect to be successful.'" Some time earlier a similar consideration was expressed: 'Private companies, which are in charge of the plants to be constructed, should to a large extent invest their own means in order to secure a responsible management.' During the war Goering said it always was his aim to let private firms finance the aviation industry so that private initiative would be 'strengthened.' Even Adolf Hitler frequently made clear his opposition in principle to any bureaucratic managing of the economy, because that, by preventing the natural selection process, would 'give a guarantee to the preservation of the weakest average [sic] and represent a burden to the higher ability, industry and value, thus being a cost to the general welfare.'"
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