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I'm not really hardcore on one side or the other on the abortion issue, my personal view is that it's gross, and immoral, but I do understand that there are certain extraordinary circumstances where the one moral wrong can't supercede other moral wrongs that could come from not doing it - it's complicated. And more importantly I don't generally support sweeping federal laws on things that are so hotly contested, so I think the best compromise is to leave it at the state level. But with all that said, I don't think there's any denying that the majority of the crazy we're seeing these days is coming from the pro abortion side. And before I get any "well, actually..." Replies, yes, I'm aware of the anti abortion nutters that attack abortion clinics, and back 20 years ago you may be right that they're more crazy. But these days the pendulum has swung, and not only in the crazy way, in the ignorance way too. It seems like the majority of pro abortion people don't really know anything at all about existing laws, they don't know what Roe means, they don't even have a real coherent reason why they hold their position, it's just a bunch of empty rhetoric about "women's rights", or "bodily autonomy" their arguments are always a convoluted mess of nonsense, they have to try and set up "gotcha" traps to get people who disagree in some kind of imagined hypocrisy. The anti abortion argument is simple and straight forward - abortion is murder, murder is wrong. And maybe you disagree with that argument, but that's the argument, it's consistent and doesn't require an entire owners manual of mental gymnastics to support. So I've floated closer to that side than I've been in the past.
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@petep5207 yea they flip the fuck out. It's hilarious and terrifying at the same time. I had a coworker that was ranting about how he supported Nazis several years ago, I tried to avoid those conversations with her because her brain is a potato, she can have whatever opinion she wants, but when someone makes a claim that's demonstrably false, it's hard for me not to say something. So I pulled up the video of the full quotation, where he says "and I'm not talking about the neo Nazis, because they should be condemned, totally", and she lost her mind and got mad at me, started saying it was a fake video and all this other stuff. Absolutely insane. I can't imagine getting angry at someone for showing me proof that I was wrong about something, I can almost understand being angry just in the general sense, because I was mislead, nobody wants to be wrong and made to look like a fool, but being angry at the person simply for showing you proof of something is not what a sane, rational human being does.
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@soakupthesunman I can't get behind any kind of voting restrictions based on immutable characteristics though. I think in an ideal scenario, only net tax payers vote, with exemptions for military veterans. You work, you pay taxes, great, you can vote. You receive more from taxes than you contribute? Nope. No vote for you. You have a vested interest in more "free stuff". I don't think women voting is the problem, I think people voting who have no stake in where their tax dollars go other than gimme more tax dollars is the problem. And that's primarily single moms. I understand that's a huge problem. That's the main problem, with everything. But I don't want to discriminate just because someone is female, if you work and pay taxes and don't leech off others, you should have voting rights, regardless of any identifier other than that.
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@daCATgraphics Aron Ra, TJ Kirk, now Sam Harris, it's very bizarre how the prominent atheists seem to have an attraction towards the far left and TDS. You would think the opposite actually, I've always wondered why more atheists aren't conservative, I get the religious ties to conservatism but tradition and slow progress doesn't have to be rooted in religious beliefs, and conservative ideals are more grounded in realism, liberal/leftist ideals are... Well idealistic. The perfect utopia doesn't exist, and I'm not saying everyone left of center believes in that ideal, but more of them do than conservatives, conservatives generally just view the world as it actually is, and believe in writing legislation according to how things actually are, not how they want things to be.
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@Healcraft I used to be of that position too, but over the years I've become more of a 2A absolutist. To kind of elaborate on my other post, imagine some kid that grows up in a shitty situation and joins a gang as a teenager, he kills someone and goes to prison real young, spend a long time there, gets out in his 20s or something like that but has done his best to reform while in prison and really wants to get clean. But it's obviously not that easy, especially if he's got no other place to go except back home, around the same people he got in trouble with in the first place. Are you saying this guy can't have a gun? Because I think that guy has more reason to have a gun than the vast majority of other people. And the alternative is that he either just has a gun anyway, because going back to prison for having an illegal gun is better than getting killed, right? Or he can just get back in with his old crew. Nah man. I don't like that. Guns are the great equalizer, and as I said before, if this guy is still a violent threat, and he was let out of prison, then that's not the fault of gun laws, it's the fault of whoever decided he was good to let out of prison. And whether the gun laws exist or not, he's getting a gun.
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@johnaustin6067 yea I'm just being real about it, I don't mean any disrespect or to sound condescending. Seems like most people are on one side of the extreme with the issue of homelessness, people on the right tend to have an attitude like fuck em, that's their own problem. And people on the left tend to have an attitude like it's someone else's fault that people are homeless, and there's some kind of magic fairy wand we can wave and end homelessness forever, in an instant, but people don't want to do it because they're just evil or something? I'm not really sure about their reasoning there. To me the more reasonable response is somewhere in the middle, we can definitely do more to help people and prevent homelessness and poverty in general, but at the end of the day, charity and good will can only go so far. People have to want to help themselves before anyone else can really help them in a long term, sustainable way.
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This is the way it used to be, and the way it should be. Or maybe just due to my age I'm naive about how bad things were when I was young, but in my 20s, in the early 2000s, when I first started paying attention to politics, you could disagree with someone and usually remain pretty civil. The vast majority of Americans were pretty moderate, most of us were moderate conservatives or moderate liberals, so there was a lot of overlap with our ideals. They would favor more progressive taxes than me, and I would favor more like a flat tax, but that's not a fundamental difference, just a shift. The left has gone too far left. If someone advocated for socialism back then they would have been laughed at as a crackpot extremist, as they should have been. Socialism is extremism. Full stop. There's nothing remotely centrist or reasonable about it.
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@kirkha100 you didn't really think conservatives were all racists and xenophobes and all the other nonsense that was used to smear them, did you? Nobody actually believed that. It was just a tool to discredit people with different ideas, and you all fell into the trap, leftists, liberals, and everyone in between. If any leftists actually stood on principles, you would have supported Trump, at least in some capacity, even if you didn't like all of his policies or his attitude, at least he wasn't an establishment, career politician. Isn't that what the left wants? It was a good start, maybe we could have had someone next time who's also not part of the establishment but does reflect on your positions a little more.
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I wish I could remember the name of it, but I saw a documentary a long time ago, maybe 10 years or so, about all the ways a pandemic could be used by political powers. They showed this chart of all the most well known pandemics, and another chart of man made atrocities like the "hollow cost" and things of that nature, and the charts lined up perfectly. Basically, there's almost always a pandemic, or at least an epidemic somewhere in the world. It's just a part of life that's always existed, that's always going to exist, but most people don't think about it unless it's getting news coverage. Obviously not all of them are equally bad, but if a government or governments are seeking to cover up something worse that's going on, it's not hard at all to find an outbreak and just run with it, there's probably one already happening at any given time and if there's not, you won't have to wait very long.
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@sammyd7857 I don't understand why it's so difficult for so many people to just admit they were wrong. I think that's one of the main sicknesses that's really plaguing discourse in recent years, people are so goddamn married to the positions and opinions they hold, it's like they think just saying "oh shit, I guess I was wrong" is the equivalent to a fatality in Mortal Kombat or something, like they didn't just lose, they got their arms torn off and a magic ice spear stabbed through their eyeball. It's insane. You just say you were wrong, and then it's fine. Nothing happens. In fact you actually usually learn something when you're wrong, it's not a bad thing, you can use that to just move on and hopefully not be wrong next time. It just baffles me why so many people can't embrace that, and that's how they get sucked down the drain of believing complete nonsense, they're wrong about one thing, and instead of just admitting it and correcting course, they subscribe to entirely new absurdity to justify the first absurdity they refused to admit they were wrong about, and before they know it their entire worldview is some wobbly stack of cards built on absurdities, and now they really can't reverse course and admit they were wrong, because they're not just admitting they were wrong about one thing, they would have to admit this entire false identity they've built is a bunch of bullshit that makes no sense. Must be such a sad and paranoid existence. That's why they're so angry too. Their life is a lie.
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@spiceinsights that's a false dichotomy though, I never said weight is the only thing that matters, or even imply it. I'm only saying putting the blame on big evil corporations doesn't get you anywhere, and hell I even agree in part that mass producing cheap, unhealthy foods is part of the problem, but pointing in that direction gets us nowhere and is even counter productive to the goal you probably want to achieve. People need to take individual responsibility for their own health, trying to put it on the corporation boogeyman plays right into the corporation boogeyman's hands, you're just enabling people by making them feel helpless. You don't have to eat all that shit, even if you're poor, and poor people can exercise too. If more people starting taking care of their own asses instead of looking for some collective guilt to shrug it all off, we would eventually be spending less on that corporate shit in the first place, people would be healthier, the big evil corporations that you hate would have less power too. Everyone wins. But it starts on an individual level, collectivism is what got us into all this shit in the first place.
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@JET MECH amen brother (or sister, or make believe gender). That's why I think the triangular setup of political ideology is more in depth than the traditional left/right, authoritarian/libertarian quadrants. You have liberalism at the top, communism on the bottom left, and fascism on the bottom right. Liberals valuing liberty most, communists equality and progress, and fascists tradition and authority. This gives a better illustration of the relation between the 3 extremes, traditional conservatives would be towards the top, more on the right slope than the left, since they value liberty the most but still value tradition and law and order more than progress or equality, liberals in the American sense would be the opposite, still closest to the top but along the left slope, big value on liberty but more emphasis on progress and equality than tradition and law and order. Fascists and communists actually have a lot in common, they just use authority by different means.
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@TriforceDestroyer55 lmao, I liked that about him, the establishment political machine is full is evil, psychotic monsters. And their media lap dogs. They deserved every ounce of the thorough verbal ass beating Trump handed out on a daily basis. Not the kind of guy I would want to hang out with on weekends, or date my daughter or sister. But the kind of guy we needed to correct course with our political situation, desperately and urgently. The people had a once in a lifetime opportunity to tell them we're not gonna take their shit anymore, and then hopefully move on with more normal politicians in the future. But no, we said nah govern me harder daddy, I like the bottom of your boot. (not me, or you, or any particular person, America as a whole)
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@Gisli Brynjolfsson lmao, "ask yourself how you became like this", that's an extremely funny way of looking at it. Because it's true, if any of these people had the self awareness to ask a question like that to themselves, I don't think all this political polarization would be nearly as bad. I don't think any young person thinks to themselves "some day, I want to be a political extremist and believe completely insane nonsense just to uphold my shaky worldview!", But here we are. And sometimes you have to ask yourself if they're right, and you're the crazy person. And I do ask myself that sometimes. But then I get called a fascist, or a racist, and remember instantly, oh yea. They're definitely the crazy people.
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@kirkha100 and I understand where leftist ideals come from too, it's not that conservatives are against the idea of people helping people, they just think the government sucks at it, and just dumping money into government programs doesn't usually actually solve any of the problems it claims to be trying to solve. If someone loses their job, a government subsidy will help them right now, but that's not a long term solution, a long term solution that really helps people is them having the tools to stand on their own 2 feet and help themselves. That's the core reason we're in this shitty political position in the first place, the American people have given too much power to the government, not ever all at once, a little bit at a time, and it always goes in one direction, we never gain any power back, we only give it away. It's gotten to the point where a lot of leftists think they shouldn't have to work at all, and that they should just have all the money and resources they want just because they want it. That's completely insane. And no amount of money or resources will ever make those people happy, because that's not what they lack, what they lack is a purpose. Which is also why those kinds of people are so vulnerable to political extremism, it's something that gives them purpose, but it's not a constructive purpose at all. It's destructive.
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@2704anonymous well I think most people are further left ideologically than they are practically speaking. People who oppose wealth redistribution generally aren't coming from a place where they just hate poor people and want them to suffer, it's just that they don't think the solutions proposed by leftist ideologies are practical or plausible. And in many cases, that they would create and worsen problems. If we could live in a post scarcity world, where nobody was poor and nobody was suffering, that would be great, but that's just not the world we live in. Besides, in most cases, money isn't really what people are missing. I'm not trying to dismiss the struggles of people in poverty, or just struggling, but a sense of purpose is what's so often overlooked by the left. You can't buy that. All the government handouts in the world won't make people feel like they have a purpose in society, in fact it actually takes away a lot of the incentive to find purpose. And a lot of people don't even realize that's why they're unhappy. Humans have a natural tendency to be lazy and complacent, not all people, but a very large portion of people will just sit on their ass and play Xbox and eat Doritos all day if they have that option, without having to worry about money. You can do that for years and not realize why you're unhappy.
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@IAmTheRealBill exactly, this is the part that all the "but private platform" people refuse to acknowledge, sure, they're a private company, just like a newspaper. And if a newspaper publishes an article that's completely false and could harm someone's livelihood, they're held accountable for that in any civil suits that may come. It big tech companies want to police what's said on their sites, then they should take that burden on as well. Which would obviously be complete madness, twitter doesn't want to be responsible for some random user saying some random thing about another random user, but hey, tough shit, they gotta pick a lane.
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@blogintonblakley2708 it's means the economy isn't either completely capitalist or completely socialist, it has aspects of both. It's a pretty damn simple concept, boy genius. And if you want to play the "that's not real socialism", then fine, fascism, corporate cronyism, whatever you want to call it, but when the government intervenes and manipulates the market, that's not capitalism. And that doesn't mean it's necessarily bad either, there's a reason why people argue and debate over economics so much. There's no one size fits all, "correct" system, otherwise every country would just set the dial to that and there wouldn't even be a debate.
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@evilchaperone Democrats did this. This has been their plan for decades and decades, they've told black Americans that nothing is ever their fault, that all of their problems are due to the invisible racism Boogeyman. Pretty much any demographic of people would struggle over a long enough time of that level of enabling, imagine a small scale, some village tells all the people with blue eyes that everyone hates them for their eye color, and the world is gonna hold them back, and it's gonna be harder for them to succeed. Not everyone with blue eyes would buy that shit, some of them would overcome, some would just be really intelligent or talented and find their own way. But if they stumble along the way, they'll just think it's because they have blue eyes. The people with green eyes or brown eyes don't have that excuse in the chamber, they have to just man up and deal with their hardships. So over time, you'll see the people with green and brown eyes succeed more often than the people with blue eyes. And the people with blue eyes will have worse rates of education, more crime, more teen pregnancy, gang activity, all of that. It's disgusting that all of this has been done on purpose, for political power, right under our noses.
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@MasterJediPhil true, I've seen a lot of people pointing out all the obvious hypocrisy, not only that leftists clap and cheer whenever a republican is attacked, but also that they turn a blind eye to all the countless average civilians that get brutally attacked and even killed in Democrat cities, as a direct result of Democrat policies. That's fine, nothing to see here. But when one of the wealthy elitists they claim to hate gets attacked, they're suddenly outraged and care about cracking down on crime. It's so nakedly dishonest and politically motivated. But that doesn't mean it's ok that he got attacked, of course it's not ok. I don't want anyone to get attacked like that, and obviously we can't reduce violent crime to zero, humans can be pretty damn violent by nature. But we can still do a much better job of reducing it as much as we can, within reason, and without having an authoritarian police state. That's what conservatives have been saying for years and years. The irony is that the left is kind of accidentally agreeing with conservatives about crime, it's just that they're only doing it in this one isolated instance, because it's convenient for their political gain.
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@init100 I understand the joke, I'm just saying I find it distasteful. Which is fine, I'm not the joke police. But personally, I choose not to partake in those kind of jokes, no matter how horrible the person in question is, and no matter how disgusting the left is when it comes to the same thing, despite proclaiming themselves the arbiters of morality. No thanks, not for me. Tyrants can take a lot from you, nearly everything if the situation gets as bad as I fear it will in the US. But nobody can ever take away your decency and integrity, unless you let them. I know that sounds pretty silly to a lot of people, and maybe it is, and I fall short of that myself at times, lol, I've been known to take the gloves off and get a bit ferocious with my trolling of lefties from time to time. But if I have my way, I'm not going to turn into a monster like them. The Pelosi's are awful people, and responsible for a lot of damage to this country. But I don't wish any physical harm on them, nor am I going to laugh about it. That's a dangerous road to go down.
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@thebenc1537 and I don't have all the answers, I'm not suggesting a completely free market, no taxes, no regulation, I understand that would have it's own problems. But I know that we would all be better off with lower taxes, less regulations, and less centralized power, all of us except for the elites that want to keep those systems in place at least. But it's also come to my attention in recent years that leftists are just not compatible with society, you'll always exist, and you'll always ruin everything in your wake, you'll always push to sell our rights and liberties so you don't have to work as hard.
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No no no, you see, the power of communism is so strong, she can break free of the phantom handcuffs to raise a fist to her comrades. And you may be asking why she doesn't just use the communism power to escape, and well, the answer to that is, well you see..... You're not still paying attention are you? Damn I hope not, people who actually believe in communism would have stopped reading by now bc they have the attention span of a turtle with a head injury. So I guess it doesn't really matter. If you're not a communist, you knew this was bullshit right from the start. Hey, damn, being a communist grifter really is easy.
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@2704anonymous basically, I think businesses should be allowed to be in the business of making money. I'm not completely against regulations, I definitely think workers should be entitled to certain protections that ensure ethical treatment, but we also have to remember that a lot of other country don't care a damn bit about that kind of stuff, we need to take the foot off the gas on regulations and corporate taxes, we want American businesses to save money by keeping production in the states, we shouldn't be jacking up taxes so high that it's actually cheaper for them to outsource to countries that make starving 8 year olds make our Nikes. It's revolting that we're in so deep with that kind of shit, I know most people don't like the idea of Bezos sitting in his ivory tower while us plebs all live paycheck to paycheck, but I'm telling you, just taxing the shit out of him isn't solving anything. That's what him and all the other elites want, they're laughing their asses off at people thinking taxing the shit out of his corporation hurts him at all, he comes out ahead because of those policies.
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@futurereflections4097 my work is completely screwed, I've worked at a small business that I love, for almost 8 years. It's like my family. And we're down to 5 full time employees, because nobody wants to work. That's the bare min number of people we need to fill all the shifts for one day, that means we all have to work every day, except for weekends when some of our part timers can fill in. It's hell. And this is just the beginning, it's going to get a lot worse before it gets any better, these selfish dumbasses think they're just hurting other people by not working and just soaking up unemployment, they're too stupid to realizing they're hurting all of us, themselves included. That'll be the only thing that wakes their stupid asses up, when it starts effecting them personally. And by then it'll be too late to just press the "redo" button.
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@tripvic7629 the one reason I've been tempted to start a Twitter account is to try and start conspiracy theories, I think that'd be hilarious. My favorite that I've come up with is that Tyler Perry is actually a white guy. And the guy who plays Madea and all that is real, he's a real black guy, but he's not the person who writes all the movies and TV shows, he's just an actor that's paid to be the "face", because all of those movies would be horrifically racist if a white guy wrote it. But for some reason it's ok, because he's black🤣🤣🤣 I think that would be hilarious, and I think people would believe it too. I think some people would believe it so much, that even if it caught on and I was like nah guys just kidding, I made it up for lols, they would still believe it and think that I'm just saying it's fake because it's part of a more grand conspiracy🤣
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@jtzoltan you're right that it's considered heretical, and that's a big part of the problem, and also proof that we live in a deeply indoctrinated society. People act like not having the right to vote is equivalent to not having the right to be a person, that's just madness. Kids don't get to decide how their household is run, the parents make those decisions, and that's fine. It doesn't mean their kids aren't people, they love their kids (usually, and hopefully, but not always), and that doesn't even mean the kids don't have a say, it's just ultimately up to the adults in the room to make the big decisions. A nation should be run the same. People who don't contribute to society are the kids. If they want to contribute to having a say in how laws and policies are written, then they should contribute economically. Otherwise, just sit in the back and be thankful that we're giving you a ride.
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@tjaaw well this isn't new, sure some things have changed because of modernity, but some things have remained the same. When societies become weak, weak people always flock to leftist ideology, so the government can fix their problems. And it always ends the same. The people who say it's better to live free, and be unequal, to live under the boot and all share an equal slice of the shit pie didn't just make that up as a theory, it's because of very, very, very old cycles that happen with society, again and again and again. And it's not gonna stop either. Because leftists have learned absolutely nothing, and they never will. Weak people will ALWAYS eventually destroy strong societies, because weak people are incapable of learning.
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@mohmoony3918 can you imagine how psychology broken you would have to be to actually HOPE that the president is all these terrible things you've been convinced of, because that's how terrifying it is to face the reality that you've been manipulated? If in some alternate universe we found out everything about Biden isn't true, that he's not senile at all and it was all some sort of massive conspiracy of expert editing, and he's actually the greatest president of all time (and this is a big stretch, I'm aware, just go with me on the hypothetical), I wouldn't be upset about that, I wouldn't desperately cling to my now debunked previous notions, I would say oh well I guess that's good, turns out the president doesn't completely suck. I was wrong, but this sounds like a W in the long run.
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@madashell7224 well what I mean is that it's not as simple as saying "I believe in the mothers rights, therefore I'm for human rights and you're against human rights", because a lot of people think an unborn baby is also a person. And in the argument of what a person is throughout time, it tends to only expand, not retract. The left used to think slaves weren't people, you were wrong then, and history will probably show you to be wrong again this time. And unborn baby will always be a fully formed adult human, without any intervention resulting in their death, they will never be something else though. It's never going to be a chair, or a rhinoceros, or a poem, it's always going to be a human baby.
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