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It really can't be said enough, fascists and communists don't hate each other because they're so different, they hate each other because they're so similar, and both require total dominance of culture and power.
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 @soulknife20 theory is completely meaningless if the practice doesn't reflect it.
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Vaush: communism is cool, Mao did nothing wrong. Censors: cool. Tik: the history books aren't entirely accurate, fascism, Nazism and communism are all derived from socialism. Censors: REEEEEEE!!!! FASCIST!!!!!
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Capitalism is when I don't have as much money as I feel like I should have. According to Marxists.
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I think we just failed to defeat both of them. Just because one was bad doesn't mean the other wasn't also bad.
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@patman-bp3qg money is the only way to scale trade up to a larger scale. A chicken farmer can't carry chickens around with him everywhere he goes in case he wants to make a trade, and not everyone wants or needs chickens. It would be pretty annoying if he had to trade chickens for shoes so he could trade shoes for corn, so he could trade corn for wood, when all he really needed was wood, but the lumberjack didn't need any chickens or shoes. So we come up with a currency that represents X amount of chickens, or Y amount of corn, and so on and so on.
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I'm in a sort of minority, an atheist conservative, sort of, I'm somewhere between conservative and libertarian, but I'm definitely an atheist and I'm definitely not on the left. It's very bizarre to see the overwhelming majority of atheists replace traditional religion with a creepy, cult like attachment to politics. It really makes no sense, "I believe in science, I'm too smart to believe in fairy tales like those dumb Christians, but also, men can be women and socialism will definitely work this time."
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 @Dionaea_floridensis I've always thought a reboot could be great, imagine Dale as the most respected man in Arlen because almost all of his crazy conspiracy theories have come true🤣
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@zumurudlilit capitalism makes no claims of utopia, it just means that you're free to seek compensation for your labor or services.
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Reality: exists. Commies: big mad.
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@flameguy3416 yep. They don't hate each other because they're opposite ideologies, they hate each other because they're so similar, and both of them require total dominance.
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Socialists are socialist because they don't understand socialism. The rest of us aren't socialist, because we do understand socialism.
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@yendevus1747 the US is #10 in obesity, and #4 in diabetes. That's obviously not great, but not #1 in either.
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@nicholaspape6865 I have a theory that I can fly. Of course I can't, every time I jump off a roof I just plop on the ground and it hurts a lot. But my theory still stands. I'll get it right next time. Probably.
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@Iron_Wyvern well you don't have to be a genius to understand it, but that doesn't mean it's not true.
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 @soulknife20 ah, so now socialism is when taxes, when that argument is convenient?
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I think what he meant is that "race" is sort of a junk term, from a scientific perspective. Obviously people have genetic differences based on ethnicity, but those lines really aren't that clearly drawn, and there's a lot of grey area and overlap. You can group people by racial or ethnic categories to some extent, and subcategories, and so on and so on, but there are always going to be enough outliers that you can't really draw rigid lines.
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Yea it's the internet. Everyone knows everything about everything. New here?
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@martiendejong8857 how would it work if it isn't enforced? Not sure if you're aware of this, but rich people don't usually just give their stuff to poor people because they're cool dudes like that. Sometimes they do. But if you want all of them to, or even most of them, it has to be enforced.
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Whenever they talk about people being self interested, what they really mean is that smart and talented people should be forced to care about me.
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Just competing different visions of the same monster - socialism.
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Everyone has childhood trauma, obviously to varying degrees. But some of us use that as an excuse to be children forever, and some of us use it as a reason to be stronger adults.
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@Gate-of-Dawnif having a mustache is gay, then Freddie Mercury was gay. Oh yea. He was super gay. Point taken.
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Don't you know? Capitalism is when rich people exist and I'm not rich people. And it's bad.
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@arkoa0000 just a quick search, American Somoa is #1 in obesity rate, China is #1 in diabetes rate. And some of these numbers can be misleading, most of the top in obesity are island nations that are mostly ethnically Samoan, and Samoan people have a genetic disposition to retaining calories. So an obese Samoan probably isn't as unhealthy as an obese European or African, their bodies are built to sustain that. And I don't take any statistics coming from China to heart, since they lie about everything, but at the same time they have no reason to lie to make themselves look bad. So take that as you will.
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At least if someone ever sarcastically asks if you're a rocket scientist, you can say "yep". So the degree is at least worth something.
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That mustache too. There's no way a sane person looks at that and says "yep. That looks awesome."
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@chico9805 the US wasn't founded as a Christian state, it was founded as a free state, with freedom of religion, based on Christian principles. The entire reason we came here was to escape the oppression of religious tyranny.
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@soulknife20 ok, so framing socialism as government services was a dishonest remark on your part, because you don't think government services equal socialism. Good. Glad we agree. You're a liar.
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@gmodrules123456789 unironically, yes, public ownership of the economy is evil, because it always turns into government ownership of everything, including you.
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@martiendejong8857 both are true. It's normal to be selfish to some extent, you can't really help anyone if you don't help yourself first. You're supposed to be the most important person in your own life, so you can help the other people you care about as much as possible. The tricky part is just finding the proper balance.
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I'm still waiting for the Internet to understand the difference between libertarian and anarchist.
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@the_mowron well I consider myself "culturally Christian" if the term makes sense, all of the stuff about just not being a dick and treating people right, love your family, be respectful and all that, sure, I'm all aboard. I just don't believe all the supernatural stuff. So I can't call myself a Christian, because that wouldn't be true. I still have far more in common with most Christian conservatives than leftist atheists.
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Lmfao, I just watched that episode the other day.
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You gotta be careful when you talk about the tiny mustache man, any deviation from the established narrative can get you in the googlag.
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@chico9805 the general moral framework of Christianity, and a more free market.
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It really does sound like some kind of skit, like one where they would start by proudly announcing all their views, and end up accidentally going in some kind of circular fallacy and end up with a completely different view🤣
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Some of that is probably just getting older too, whether you care about economics or not, economics cares about you. That stupid shit follows you everywhere. You can't ignore it forever.
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I live in Houston, it's hard to believe that private enterprise would be any worse at maintaining the roads than the state is. There are sections of the freeway that have been under construction for my entire life.
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@limitlessapocalypse2702 what has he been wrong about?
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@LaOwlett yes, he does think all of those things are completely fine, because he would be the one extracting resources from people who worked for them.
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Most smart people are also pretty weird. You can even make the argument that being smart is inherently weird, since anyone who has ever driven a car knows that most people are very, very, very, very stupid.
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@ZESAUCEBOSS same here, I went to The University of Texas San Antonio right out of HS, because that's what you do, you go to college. Plus my then girlfriend was going there, I figured why not? But I had no idea what I wanted to do. I ended up dropping out after 4 semesters, GPA was shit and I lost my grant. So it was just a wasted 2 years.
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That guy is still around? He lost his marbles around the same time he went vegan.
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I think you can tell a lot about a person by asking them to do something completely benign, but for no reason. Like "raise your right hand" or "say banana". If they just do it without asking questions, they're probably likely to fall for propaganda and other manipulation. If they ask why, or just laugh at you, probably not.
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I think "left" and "right" is a bit of an overly reductive view of the political paradigm. It's useful as a visualization, but that's about all.
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@CrispyCircuits but those are problems with economic systems, not the broader concept of money. There's really no efficient way to have anything larger than a small village without some kind of standard currency.
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@about37ninjas well all it really takes to be a Christian is saying you're a Christian. I think we all know the difference between people who really try to adhere to it, and people who just say it. But technically, just saying it makes it true.
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ANARCHY!!!! I DON'T KNOW WHAT THAT MEANS, BUT I LIKE IT!!!
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@asablkofc I would be really curious to hear how you broke free from that mentality. Seems like for every one like you, there are a dozen more than never break free.
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@TheImperatorKnight I'm not religious, and also not materialist. I'm more driven by legacy than anything else, the choices I make and the person I am will live on beyond me through the people most important to me, there's no divinity necessary for this to be true. Stuff is nice, but once I'm dead and gone, it won't do any good. My legacy will live on beyond me.
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@nicholaspape6865 nah, I can fly if I just believe hard enough. Just like socialism can work, it can't keep failing every time, right?
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@AusSP I don't really know exactly what your point is. Maybe just use one of your examples and clarify.
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But what happens when one faction obtains land without force, but then another faction tries to obtain their land through force?
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I don't think ancap in its purest form is achievable on any kind of large scale for any sustained amount of time, that being said, I definitely consider myself closer to anarcho than statist, and much more capitalist than socialist. I think things work best when we keep the government out as much as possible, and leave more things in the hands of the people.
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@NicoSmedley well social programs are socialist in nature, it's just that when we refer to an economy as a whole as "socialist" or "capitalist", there is nuance, every economy is mixed on a wide scale. What would be considered socialist is usually an extreme tendency towards socialist policies, but they still have to have some form of capitalism to even exist. And there really aren't any current economies that could be considered on the extreme of capitalistic, that would be an extremely low tax, at a flat rate, and very minimal government interference in the market. I'm pretty sure no such economy exists in the world right now, if it does, please tell me, I'll start packing my bags.
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@Hillbilly001 when you said "tanks", I figured you were referencing tankies coming into the comments. I guess maybe I misread that.
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@erani99 I don't think TIK is a free market absolutist, if that's what you're getting at. I'm not going to answer for him, but from my understanding he's about where I am on the spectrum, I'm not against all regulations, I just think western nations have way too many damn regulations, and that the free market is generally better at solving problems than the government. The government is more in the business of creating problems than fixing them.
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Arrogance. They could watch 20 people jump off a cliff and still think they can make it to the other side, because they're just super cool and special like that.
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 @TheImperatorKnight so in other words..... We're screwed either way.
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You see, the difference is, those were all bad, because it didn't work. But it will be good when I do it, because I'm super smart. Just trust me bro.
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@Legio__X yep, if you're not a communist, you're a Nazi. According to communists.
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@BurtReynolds-qp1jk found the socialist🤣
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This is true, your political views inform your economic views, and vice versa. A lot of people hold some nonsensical, contradictory views on these topics, but generally speaking, there's a strong relationship between the 2.
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@Ciborium lmao, yea man, this time I jump off the roof will be different from the previous 60 times, because this time I definitely figured out human flight. I said that the last 59 times too, but it's definitely for real this time🤣
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Sounds familiar. Like the people who rioted over 500 times in a single year and called it "mostly peaceful protests".
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 @soulknife20 so is the United States a socialist nation? We have taxes.
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@soulknife20 truckers get paid well though, better than a "living wage" to use your intentionally manipulated language. You don't get to complain about people not making enough money because of some governing force making them poor, and then poo-poo the idea of being a trucker because it's hard. Yea no shit, that's why it pays well. If you want to get paid well, you have to do some things that suck. It's called being an adult.
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They must just type in "socialism" on searches so they can furiously troll the comments.
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I consider myself pretty libertarian, and pretty extreme in favor of a free market, but not to the absolute extreme on either. If there was a scale of 1-10, to be as reductive as possible, I'm probably an 8 on the libertarian scale, and a 9 on the free market scale. I could go for anarcho capitalism on a small scale, but it just wouldn't scale up very effectively. Still more reasonable than anarcho communism, that's not even a thing, anyone who claims to be ancom is either lying or extremely stupid. Probably both.
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It's manipulating vague concepts, a key component of their mind control. Look at the gender thing, because there are rare exceptions where someone fits more of the female stereotypes, but is biologically male, they pretend that means gender stereotypes are completely bogus, when everyone knows that they're accurate almost all the time
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Marx legitimately might have been more racist than Hitler. It's freaking hilarious that he's the lord and savior for self proclaimed "anti-racists".
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@makhnothecossack4948 Crocs are popular too, and they're also very stupid.
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@makhnothecossack4948 it's a goofy mustache, you can still like the bad evil mustache man and admit it's a stupid mustache. It's fine. You won't get kicked out of the cool kids groyper club, they're pretty desperate to keep members.
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johnnyjohn-johnson7738 I've always said that the rights and freedoms you want to extend to everyone are a better indicator of how liberal you are than the rights and freedoms you want for yourself. A lot of people call themselves liberal, but they don't want liberty for you, they just want to be able to do whatever they want without any negative consequences.
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@raybanseyes I think you're misinterpreting my comments, or maybe I'm misinterpreting yours. I'm very much a free market guy, not to it's most extreme, I think there should be extremely low taxes and some government regulations just for the sake of safety, but I favor about as close to laissez faire as you can get on a functioning large scale. I was just being sarcastic about what so shall ists think their ideology means, and what it really means. You're correct, capitalism does reward the greedy, but at least they have to work and produce something of value to satiate their greed. You can't eliminate greed and self interest, it's part of the human condition.
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It's like how all the covid crazies openly advocated for tyrannical policies, but simultaneously claimed it's actually not tyranny, because it's a good thing, and they like the good things, and you like the bad things.
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Even in some kind of cope scenario where Hitler himself didn't actually believe in socialism, his followers certainly did. If you don't like socialism and some guy is pitching ethnically based, nationalist socialist policies, I doubt you're gonna say "yep, sounds cool to me".
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@colebehnke7767 well if there's one thing we learned from covid, it's that a lot of people want to be spanked and told they're naughty by daddy government.
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What more evidence do you need? The only real argument anyone has against it is "I'm a socialist and socialism is good, but Hitler is bad, so he's not a socialist."
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Yea he really does a good job of breaking down complex topics into an easy to understand summary, and then goes into further detail. That's really not easy to do, you have to have an extremely keen understanding of a topic to tear it apart in your own words and make it easier to understand for a layman.
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@BurtReynolds-qp1jk a socialist would say it's the workers owning the means of production. A regular person would say it's extreme wealth redistribution, enforced by extreme authoritarian government. Because that's what it really is.
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Atheism is not a religion, but people often fill the void with a pseudo religion, like socialism, climate activism, veganism, take your pick of other woo-woo. Some people are just straight atheist though, and don't have a replacement religion.
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 @WraithOfMan and it's funny how all the people who make those claims only want other people to pay higher taxes and give away their property. Never themselves.
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 @soulknife20 socialism is like a pyramid scheme. It's never actually like the people trying to rope you into it tell you it is.
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@BQD_Central there's a difference between doubting yourself and questioning yourself. If you're confident in your convictions, you should have no problem with them being challenged, even by yourself.
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@ZESAUCEBOSS oof. I broke up with the girl years ago, actually somewhat shortly after we got to college, then we were kinda off and on for a few years. You know that cycle. I'm 39 now, I'm doing.....ok I guess? I'm pretty poor but I get by. Not completing college is not where my life went wrong though, drinking did that to me, I partied too much in my 20s. I don't regret dropping out of college at all, if anything I regret going in the first place.
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What a terrible game, any time you start to get ahead with a bunch of cool stuff, you have to give it to weaker players who don't have as much cool stuff🤣
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On today's episode of "my public education was a scam".....
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@NicoSmedley that would sound appealing, if it weren't surrounded by China🤣🤣🤣 Plus they don't put any cheese on their food. No thanks. Deal breaker.
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@yuvi3738 it has to be centralized on any kind of significant scale. "Everyone pays their fair share" only works if there's some kind of centralized agreement on what "fair share" means, and if there's some centralized authority in place to make sure people are paying.
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"Dono Trump, don't trusta China! China is ass-hoe!" -some Hong Kong dude
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That's actually exactly why race is such a nebulous term, so many people have mixed genetic lineage that you can't really draw any clearly defined lines on a large enough scale.
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@701delbronx8 so explain the difference between a Staffordshire terrier and a pitbull.
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@701delbronx8 really? You think that's a meaningful distinction in a scientific context? What about an overweight pitbull? What about a particularly athletic Staffordshire?
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@701delbronx8 "more similar", yea sounds super scientific, and definitely not nebulous and open to interpretation.
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Funny how often socialism in some form has some kind of role in all recent conflicts. I'm sure that's just a coincidence though, we'll do it right this time!
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The internet could potentially break that. That's why the elites are so hellbent on controlling it. If people can learn to do anything online, for free, then companies will eventually catch on to that and stop caring so much if you have a degree. Especially considering how worthless a lot of degrees are these days. Who would you rather have as a mechanic, the kid who's obsessed with cars and has watched every YouTube video imaginable, and can fix anything, or the kid who graduated from a tech school but hasn't actually done anything hands on?
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I think they're just liars. The same as a woman who pretends to be in love with a guy just because he gives her stuff and she doesn't have to work.
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Atheism is by definition the absence of religion, or a belief in God. If someone is an atheist, and has a cult attachment to a political ideology, then they're not an atheist, they're a cult member.
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One of the most evil things about communism is that the only way to successfully fight it off is by becoming a different kind of evil.
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Capitalism takes greed into account. You get what you earn, nothing more and nothing less. So sure, people will be rewarded for being greedy, but only as much as someone else is willing to pay them. So at least greedy people have to do something to satiate their greed.
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@soulknife20 you can't change human nature, you can only be aware of it and act accordingly with policy. Any form of wealth redistribution will inherently benefit the people who want to just sit on their ass and take what someone else created. Capitalism isn't perfect, and you may not agree with how much people get paid for what they do, but at least they have to do something in order to get paid. That's the whole point, it's not up to you or me to determine what something is worth, it's up to the person buying it.
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Interesting how much nazi rhetoric and communist rhetoric have in common. I've always said, they weren't enemies because they were opposites, even though they do have a lot of differences, they were enemies because of their similarities. Both require total control and submission, or it just doesn't work. So each ideology needed to destroy the other.
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They're very sneaky about conflating the standard with the exception. There could be 14/15 people in their group with blue eyes, and they would say "not all" have blue eyes, even though pretty much all of them do. And they'll take the one person with brown eyes and say "look! We can have brown eyes too!"
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@makhnothecossack4948 I love how I can't tell if this is genuine smug, or poking fun at internet smug. You really can't parody the pretentious internet douche any more than they parody themselves.
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@makhnothecossack4948 holy crap, you're being serious. That's hilarious. I don't think I've ever seen anyone defend the tiny mustache man's tiny mustache.
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 @lukenodag5784 exactly, I didn't ask for someone to take my money so they can give some of it back to me. But I'll be damned if I don't accept whatever they're willing to give me, it's my money.
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We didn't ask to pay taxes, they make us. Leftists asked for taxes. It's not hypocritical for us to ask for some of our own money back, it's hypocritical for them to complain about how much they have to pay.
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@ferdinandstefano if they were against idealism, they wouldn't be socialists.
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So you don't care who's in charge, except when you do?
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@soulknife20 I like the triangular layout of the political spectrum more, it has liberalism, communism, and fascism at the respective corners. It gives a better understanding of the relationship and difference of the 3 main views, liberalism valuing freedom, communism valuing equality, and fascism valuing order. Obviously everyone values all of those things, to varying degrees, that's why everyone is going to land on a different point between all 3.
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@soulknife20 I do still think the traditional political compass with the 4 quadrants has value too, I think to get a better understanding of it all, you should be familiar with both models. It's really pretty much impossible to come up with an objective, quantifiable model for people's political believes, especially considering they're not static, people change. But if you look at both models, you can get a better idea of the 2 combined.
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There's a reason leftists are manipulated into dismissing Hitler and Nazi ideology without actually understanding it. If they understood it, they would see the mirror image in themselves.
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 @tancreddehauteville764 true, but most of us try to balance criticizing things we don't like with building upon things we do like.
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Socialists tend to lie about what they genuinely believe, depending on the audience. They'll often pretend to be liberal when they're in a more moderate setting, to hide how far left they actually are. That's where a lot of the confusion comes from. It's also why they think everyone right of center is a secret fascist, they're projecting. They think because they lie about how extreme their views are, everyone else must be lying too, and they're on the opposite extreme.
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@TheImperatorKnight that was kinda what I figured, that's why I asked. Funny how the ideologically captured nut jobs can never give an example of what someone was wrong about, when they're completely demoralized, they can no longer tell the difference between someone being objectively wrong, and just having an opinion they don't like. To them, having an opinion they don't like IS wrong.
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It's pretty normal to be selfish and short-sighted as a teenager. There are supposed to be adults in your life that guide you, and teach you that jealousy and anger don't usually really help anything. But if you lack that positive influence, it's pretty clear to see how you can fall into the trap. It's good you grew out of it.
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@Dick_Gozinya that's exactly what Hitler's problem with communism was, and it's exactly why the present day far left wants to censor opposition and scare their followers out of learning about Hitler. Not because he was so bad, but because of how similar he was to what they want.
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@TheImperatorKnight true, and there's also a lot of grey area between the completely insane far lefties, and the "liberal by default" types that just haven't really given a whole lot of thought to religion or politics.
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@TheImperatorKnight I didn't mean weird in a bad way, just supporting capitalism as a general idea could be considered weird today, since it's become so trendy to be "anti capitalist".
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Who has time to read stuff? We just scroll through headlines and get mad. It's current year.
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I don't think they're quite as dumb as communists, at least ancap could exist in theory, it would just be a complete disaster. Ancom can't even exist in theory, it makes no sense whatsoever. Being anarchist and communist at the same time is like being a giraffe and a bowl of soup at the same time. It's impossible. You can't be both.
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@BurtReynolds-qp1jk you just said the same thing in slightly different words and pretended like it was 2 different things. That wordplay doesn't work on me, I'm not one of your idiot socialist friends. You're all scum.
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Marxists are defective, even if they ever leave the Marxist cult, they'll immediately latch onto some other bat shit insane ideology. You can't fix them. Their brain isn't like a regular person's brain. I don't think they're even supposed to exist, they're the defective humans that would have just been food if our species had the same existential threats as every other species on the planet.
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@soulknife20 oh look, found the Marxist.
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For real, and there are plenty of YouTubers that outright promote communism, nobody gives a shit about that. If you say boys can't be girls, you get accused of being fascist.
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Funny how the definition of socialism is constantly changing, depending on what narrative socialists are trying to spin. Scandinavian countries are socialist when you're trying to argue that socialism is good, and can work, but the exact same policies they have "aren't real socialism" when it doesn't work so well and you're trying to deny socialism ever going wrong.
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@TheGPR101 so how would you define socialism?
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Being a professor can be extremely lucrative, if you're getting paid under the table by China to subvert western culture and indoctrinate teenagers into being self loathing socialists.
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 @christophe9602 sorta, yes, I guess. Communists want to destroy everything that isn't communist. That includes the good and wholesome, but it also includes other evil ideologies, like fascism.
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@chaptermasterpedrokantor1623 there are differences, most importantly, fascism and Nazism focus on a return to tradition, they manipulate their followers by promising to bring back all of the things that once made the nation great. Communists take the opposite approach, they hyper focus on progress, they manipulate their followers by convincing them all the "olds" are actually bad and evil, and they have the knowledge to break through to a new modern age. The irony though, is on a long enough timeline, if successful, a communist becomes a fascist. Because if you achieve your progressive future, and maintain that, then eventually it becomes tradition, and without changing any views, yesterday's communist becomes today's fascist.
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@marianotorrespico2975 Marx didn't require camps because communists murder people in the streets, in full view of the public. Because nobody can stop them.
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@nikitanosikovg2703 is that why so many people risk their lives by floating through shark infested water on crudely fashioned rafts just to escape Cuba?🤣🤣🤣 Fucking moron.
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@celsus7979 Hitler was most certainly a far left socialist. The left has just rewritten history because he lost.
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@AverageAlien exactly, if the Nazis had won the war, the same people who cry about Hitler would be calling Stalin far right.
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It takes a giant leap of faith to think men can be women, and women can be turtles.
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@jakman2179 yes, if that's what they identify as. But it's a risky move, because that makes them prime targets for people who identify as mutant rhinoceros'.
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@juliancate7089 at the risk of being captain pedantry, I think an important distinction is that there's no good evidence, and no sound logic. They think they have evidence, they think it's based on logic, otherwise they wouldn't believe it. But their evidence is shaky to say the least, and their logic is even more shaky.
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@juliancate7089 I see what you're saying, but if we were to focus just on Christianity, for the sake of expedience, Christians will cite "truths" from the bible, like how some of it actually is historically and/or geographically accurate. Not all of it, not even most of it, but they'll say "a-ha! The bible says this battle happened in this region, and this is supported in other secular works and archeological evidence!" Obviously this is not evidence of the divine, it's just evidence that it's a book that was written by people who observed their world. But in the Christian mind, this validates it's accuracy, therefore God. Again, I didn't say it was good evidence, but to believers, it is good evidence.
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The only people who claim it's not socialism are socialists who don't like fascism.
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@Florentino Perez probably a biblical literalist, some eggheads did the math based on the eras that biblical figures were supposed to have lived and determined that certain biblical figures like David must have lived for about 1,000 years or some shit like that. Same way they determined that the earth is only 7,000 years old or whatever the Young Earth Creationists are saying. What they failed to take into account is that someone isn't necessarily born on the day someone else dies, human lives overlap, and also, and more importantly, the bible isn't meant to be taken literally. In short, they be dumm.
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@finlaymcdiarmid5832 fascists and communists don't hate each other because of their ideological differences, they hate each other because of their ideological similarities. They both want complete control and dominance over society, socialism in any form can only exist if everyone is a socialist, and if can't convince them, you have to force them, and if you can't force them, you have to kill them. That's how socialism works. So fascism and communism can't both exist in the same place at the same time.
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@mnenoch but I don't have any haaaaands!!!!
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@AK.102 this is why I think universal voting rights are a mistake. Less capable people will always vote for more government, and the bigger government gets, the less capable society gets as a whole. It has a snowballing effect. There needs to be some kind of mechanism to make sure voting rights are earned, based on whether or not someone provides for society or takes from society. The people who only take shouldn't get to vote, society has already done more than enough for them. The people who provide should be the ones determining how their work is allocated.
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@xingyuzhou1891 because under Anarcho capitalism, the guy with the most guns would end up being the de-facto king. I'm not a pro government guy by any stretch of the imagination, but I do understand where at least some form of government is necessary. My ideal government would do basically nothing, and just be there so people know it's there.
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@xingyuzhou1891 you didn't provide any reason that the guy with the most guns wouldn't seize power other than just because you don't think that would happen. Sorry, but that's not good enough for me.
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@xingyuzhou1891 you answered your own question accidentally though, there's absolutely no reason that competing factions wouldn't go to war with each other in the absence of a centralized government. You're literally just saying "but that wouldn't happen, just trust me bro". No, I'm not gonna just trust you on that. It absolutely would happen. Look at the history of mafias, stability is rare and not often sustained.
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That is one of the biggest problems with a true anarchist state, in the absence of an official governing body, they guy with the most guns and money becomes the governing body. Until someone with more guns and more money comes along.
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 @yuvi3738 it violates the right to own private property, that's what. And that's just the reductive, bare bones of it. The deeper you get into socialism, the more horrific and evil it is.
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@LaOwlett fair. I know from previous experience that Soulknife is a lying sack of shit that lies and then lies to cover up their lies, lies some more before they lie again and then to top it off they lie. Pretty good chance Owlette is just a sock puppet account they use to make it seem like more people agree with him. He does that too.
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@BelleDividends different definitions exist because socialists are liars, what they tell you socialism is and what socialism actually is are not the same thing. That's why the "real socialism hasn't been tried" meme exists, because every time it does exactly what it's intended to do, destroy everything in sight, the socialists have to justify that, so they just come up with a make believe definition of what they think it's supposed to be, to make it seem like what it actually does is just a mistake.
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@werrkowalski2985 but what grounds does a communist have for condemning Nazis? I get that they don't agree with each other on everything, that's why they're different ideologies, but neither group really did anything horrifyingly worse than the other. They both tyrannized and murdered groups who didn't go along with their ideology, they both brought the world to the brink of political destruction. For a communist to "condemn" a Nazi would be like a crack addict condemning meth addicts.
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There's an easy way to tell whether a "that wasn't real communism/fascism" excuse is legitimate or not - if the people who support the movement think it's fascism, it's probably fascism. If people leave because it doesn't seem very fascist, then it's not real fascism.
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