Comments by "Mark Zuckergecko" (@markzuckergecko621) on ""PROSECUTE!": Tulsi Pearl Clutches Over Roe v Wade Leak" video.

@psychoslingers8732 but this was something that was going to be public information, it just needed to go through the appropriate legal process before that, so the court couldn't be influenced by any protests or rioting, or even direct threats. Which we're seeing right now. Which is precisely why it was leaked. Which is precisely why it shouldn't have been leaked.
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@darkness88ew but not when you don't know the details of how the information was obtained.
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@4lanimoyo553 their job is to interpret the constitution. That is all. Other courts have other purposes.
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There's a reason certain things have to be done in private when it comes to the judicial branch, judges and juries shouldn't be swayed by public outrage or threats of violence. Which is exactly why the left doesn't have a problem with it. Because threats of violence are your main way of getting your way.
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@mikem4481 all he cares about is appealing to his base and getting views. Like you said, he's damn well aware of why opinions like this are kept private until the actual docket comes up. He just knows his idiot viewer base doesn't know that, and they won't bother to read or watch any media that doesn't have a left wing bias, so they'll never know.
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@mikem4481 I don't know, maybe Kyle has been a lying hack for so long that he forgot how to do actual journalism, you could be right. But I don't think he's stupid, I think he's a liar, and he knows his viewers are stupid. I don't think he genuinely thinks Assange is a fair comparison, this isn't a situation of someone leaking information that otherwise likely wouldn't have gone public, this court decision was always going to go public. It just had to go through the necessary legal process first, without public interference. Which is why this leak is so egregious. I know "dangerous precedent" is a worn out cliche, but that really does apply here, if the left doesn't stand on principle and say that this leak was morally wrong, and dangerous, then they're sending a message that there's a demand for people to leak supreme court decisions that aren't finalized yet. And SCOTUS will eventually just be held hostage by whatever extremist group has the most effective methods of coercion. I don't think leftists have even thought that far into it either, since they have a near monopoly on political violence these days, I don't think they realize that other political factions can use violence too. They just aren't right now, it's only the left.
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@c.j.giordano2129 it's been explained to them a thousand times. They don't care. They're just upset because they might not get their way, and they're trying to use any kind of ass backwards mental gymnastics possible to pretend like it's anything except what it actually is. That they just want unregulated abortion on demand, and they want it now.
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@c.j.giordano2129 yea I would understand and support skepticism too, but that's not what this is. Not at all. The left just wants to have their way, and they're going to resort to violence to get it. They always do. It's not like this wasn't going to go public, it's a damn court decision. This wasn't some leaked document of government corruption or something like that, this is something that was leaked before it was made public. That's a completely different thing all together.
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@c.j.giordano2129 there are some things the government should keep secret. Honestly I thought every adult understood this, hell most teenagers probably even understand this. Courts can't just publicly announce a verdict or a decision before it's officially decided, otherwise angry mobs could just go crazy and intimidate them into changing the ruling, and then our country would be governed by whichever extremist group has the most people and is willing to go the furthest. Honestly I think that's what the left wants, they're just too stupid to realize other people can be violent too.
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@c.j.giordano2129 yea I'm with you, I'm pretty libertarian too, although I can't really say I'm full libertarian, I just lean that way on a lot of issues. So I'm generally going to side towards transparency too, I'm just also realistic and understand the need for some things to happen in the shadows. Like we've discussed with court rulings, and military actions too depending on the situation. We definitely don't want to announce what our military is up to for the whole world, that would definitely be valuable information for any potential adversaries. I'm still just leery of going too far on that, for obvious reasons. I just wish more people could be reasonable about these kind of things, and take their political goggles off for a second and think about the implications if the shoe was on the other foot. Because you bet your ass if this was reversed, and it was leaked that the SC was making a ruling that conservatives wouldn't be too happy about, and a bunch of far right nutters were making veiled threats, the entire left side of politics' hair would be on fire warning of the apocalypse. Everyone knows it. They're completely incapable of understanding the other side of things, they don't want to, they don't care about ethics or morality, all they care about is feeling like they're right, and righteous. It's really a scary time, this kind of extremism can't last long without the other side going just as extreme. And the lunatics actually think it's the right that's gone extreme. They don't even know what far right extremism looks like. Ironically, it looks a lot like far left extremism. A lot closer to that than what most of the right in the US looks like right now.
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@c.j.giordano2129 and what's completely lost on the left, is that the entire reason Roe is being overturned is because of their extremism, 100%. It was an unconstitutional ruling in the first place, everyone on either side of the issue that has any understanding of the process agrees on that, even most prominent liberals used to agree on that, but we just kinda let it slide, because "safe, legal, and rare" was the understood compromise. Nobody used to like abortion, the left and right just disagreed on whether or not there was some exceptional cases where it would be permissable, and the legality around that, so conservatives just allowed liberals to have their way as long as it was understood that abortion is never supposed to be common and taken lightly. But the left in recent years has blasted right past "pro choice" and become full blown pro abortion, there are leftists celebrating abortion and treating it as though it's some kind of right of passage for all women, that there are no moral implications whatsoever. That's just disgusting. To say they broke the compromise is an understatement, they've completely pissed all over it. It would be equivalent to the right calling for the execution of women who have abortions, that's completely nuts, no sane person would ever back that, and nearly all conservatives would say no, stop it, that's insane. But the left doesn't keep their crazies in check the same way the right does. They cheer on the crazies, because they can use them for political power. Which of course the right could too, anyone could, but conservatives understand that social cohesion is important, and want to maintain that. That's why Roe existed in the first place, and why it's being overturned now, because the left has said loud and clear, ya know what, fuck your social cohesion, we want it our way and we'll do anything to get it, even if it means burning the whole country down.
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@c.j.giordano2129 I completely agree, but I've honestly gone a lot further towards the pro life side due to the left's actions and rhetoric. On principle I agree with everything you said about it, it is complicated. On a personal level I think it's disgusting, but I also understand the nuance to it, I understand how sometimes a woman's life is such a wreck that bringing a child into it would just be irresponsible. Which of course you could argue she shouldn't have gotten pregnant in the first place, which is obviously true. But she is. That doesn't really matter anymore. Now the question is what's the best thing moving forward. But as far as the dishonest thing the left does by throwing out the extremely rare, extreme circumstances like r a p e and incest, well there could be separate laws for that, the same way there are separate laws for killing in self defense. It's a complete nonsense argument. Saying all abortion should be legal because of specific circumstances is as nonsensical as saying all murder should be legal because it could be in self defense. No, if it's self defense, we have trials for that to determine if it's legitimate self defense. The same could be applied for abortion, if someone feels they have a legitimate reason that's outside of just convenience or birth control, then they can take that to court to determine if their claim is legitimate. I know that sounds kind of ridiculous and it is kind of ridiculous, but the left is ridiculous, we have to think about these kind of things when we write laws. Look at how insane they go with all of the trans rights issues and shit like that, it starts by saying someone should be able to use the women's restroom if they identify as a woman, alright, sure, if a female passing man goes in the women's room, I'm sure nobody will even notice. As long as they're just going to the bathroom, who cares anyway? That's reasonable. But these are not reasonable people. Next thing you know, they're saying anyone should be able to use any public restroom. So now women don't have a separate restroom where they don't have to worry about creepo pervs just walking on in, and there's nothing anyone can do about it. Sucks it has to be that way, but these people are not fit for civil society. We have to start thinking about that when we write legislation. And I do expect some red states to go a little over the top with abortion restrictions because of that. I don't really like it on principle, but we have to draw a line somewhere and show the left that we're not going to be ruled by a small group of psychopaths. Even if it means turning the wheel a little too far in the other direction. They'll learn eventually. And we can go back to living in some semblance of a sane society.
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@c.j.giordano2129 that's the thing with the left though, they take advantage of the nuance of situations and pretend like the exception should dictate the rule. I don't think anyone was trying to claim that people were getting assaulted in bathrooms en masse or anything like that, but that was the claim they seemed to be making. All people are saying is that based on societal norms, if some creepy dude is hanging out by the women's restroom all day, and as soon as a teenage girl walks in, he walks in behind her, someone is definitely going to say "hey weirdo, what are you doing?" And just because everyone knows that, it's not very common for creepy weirdos to do such things in crowded locations. They know someone will say something. If the leftist activists had their way, the creepy weirdo could just say he identifies as a woman and start screaming bigot at you, and all of a sudden you're the bad guy. This is seriously the world they want. It's complete madness.
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@c.j.giordano2129 because the cultural swing is just a means to shift the economic platform. There's an alarming amount of people that are all in with socialism, it's really mind blowing. The mainstream economic views in the US used to be "I think we should have lower taxes and a more free market", or "I think we should have more social spending and a more regulated market". Those are both reasonable positions. There's merit to ideas on both sides, and the best answers are usually some combination of both. Now a large portion of the left has broken off from that and gone full socialist. And the right has not done the same, there aren't very many people who want no taxes and no regulation. Because that's nonsense, there are obvious reasons why we need some taxation and some regulation. And I'm probably about as libertarian as you, most of the time I'm gonna lean towards less taxes and less regulations, but that's a foreign language to leftists, they're so extreme in their views that they can't even comprehend a moderate view, no matter how many times you tell them your position on this, their mutated brain automatically changes your words to "I want unregulated capitalism, period", and that's what they're always going to think, no matter how many times you explicitly tell them what you actually think. That's why they think the right is extreme, because they refuse to listen to what anyone on the right says, they just insert a ridiculous position and insist that's your position.
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@MillerIndustriesInc the logical reason has been explained at least a thousand times in these thread, but here goes again, courts don't release verdicts and decisions to the public before they're made official, because violent extremists can use that to put pressure on them to reverse the decision. Like the left is doing right now, as we speak, about this very case. That's why it's unethical. It's not a difficult concept.
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We don't know the details about how the information was obtained though, we haven't even confirmed who leaked it as far as I'm aware. You can't possibly know that no law was broken. And maybe Tulsi doesn't either, but maybe she does. She surely knows more about it than the general public does.
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@eminentbishop1325 well there's a reason these kind of things aren't made public until the official court decision, because public perception can sway the determination. The left is already rioting, this is a form of terrorism, they're trying to intimidate the court into reversing the decision. Now I'm not completely sure about the legality of the leak itself, that's not why I'm making a definitive statement about that, I'm only saying it may be illegal depending on the circumstances we don't know about yet. But it's certainly unethical, and dangerous. There's no question about that. And you know it is too, I just don't think you'll admit it because it helps further your political goals, and leftists are dishonest and unethical, 100% of the time.
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@darkhorse381 she has higher status than you, or any leftist propagandist that just tells you what you want to hear.
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@brothersandsistersofvalhalla except part of court procedure is to deliberate in private and come to a decision without any public coercion interfering. That's the entire point of why people have a problem with this leak. The whole intention of the leak was to stir up protest and threats of violence, to try and sway the decision. Do you not see the problem with that? Because people other than leftists can protest and threaten violence too. This isn't always going to swing in your favor, if you want to swing open the door and say that you're ok with court decisions being influenced by terrorism.
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Or maybe the left has just gone 6 thousand light years away from where the left used to be? So sane, left leaning people appear to have changed in your eyes? I dunno. Just a thought. A thought based on reality, so I wouldn't expect you to understand.....
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The majority of the public doesn't want what the far left is selling. You're just delusional psychopaths that aren't smart enough to understand numbers, so you're easily manipulated.
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Because this allows for protestors or terrorists to try and bully the court into changing the decision. Do you really want to live in a society that's run that way? Because the left aren't the only people who can intimidate or threaten judges and juries. That can cut both ways if you want to open that can of worms. And then we'll be living in a society that's run by whatever extremist group has the most effective coercion tactics.
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@luodeligesi7238 but this decision was never going to stay hidden, it just wasn't going to be made public until the SCOTUS made their final decision, without any interference from public outcry or protest. Those are not the same thing. You're making an extremely dishonest false equivalence, and you're completely aware that you're being dishonest. You're just hoping people who don't know any better will believe you. That's a really shitty thing to do. You're trying to manipulate the politically ignorant, intentionally.
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@PittsburghSonido do you even know what the Roe ruling means? Real question. I want you to explain it to me, in your own words.
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@robertpresley1503 you want to try again, and say what the decision actually means, instead of your hyperbolic and alarmist interpretation of the implications? You can stick with your stupid answer if you want. Just giving you a chance to rethink it and show that you actually have half an idea what you're talking about.
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@inky_surprise when you're in the top row of the left field bleachers, everyone looks like the right fielder.
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