Comments by "voteZDLR" (@voteZDLR) on "Flashback FM"
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@crt1848 .......... then proceeded to cut him out of the majority of the movie. OK. Sure. Got it. That makes complete and total sense, even by 2020 standards. He's so great he gets to be in the director's cut of Justice League now, a movie nobody saw to begin with and nobody will see going forward, with his forgettable take on the Joker. No doubt. I am a Leto fan and that role was embarrassing for him, and no, the antics haven't been explained. I just looked it up. There is no evidence to suggest the execs told them to do it, that they were all "in on it", or anything even remotely close to that. And besides, the proof is in the pudding, if that was all just for "promotional stunts" it makes no sense that he's not a prominent role, or prominently featured despite the trailers and what they all indicated, in the film at all. Period.
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My personal favorite rendition of the Joker is still Heath Ledger's, but this one wasn't really trying to be that. Heath Ledger's joker, to have an origin story about him would defeat the purpose of the character. That character's strength lied in the mystery behind him. Every single time he would tell people how he got the scars, he'd give a different answer every time.
Joaquin Phoenix's Joker, however, oozes with realism in a way that not even Heath's did. We found out that he was in fact some low-rent clown, so he knew how to apply face paint so it actually looks refined and smooth for clown makeup whereas Heath's looks crude and done by someone without necessarily the patience to make it "look perfect". It was chaotic in nature, just like he was, as opposed to Joaquin's relatively calm Joker by the end.
Joaquin's Joker by the very end has undergone a metamorphosis. He's no longer concerned with getting his medication -- he's no longer having uncontrollable fits of laughter. He's in fact very much in control of himself and his movement by the end. And Heath's Joker was decidedly, by definition, blissfully out of control.
They both worked in different ways, but if there is a Joker 2 (and there almost certainly will be) I hope we get to see him building his criminal empire with maybe some hints that a young Bruce Wayne is ... mourning and reclusive after the death of his parents, and we see that he hates the "clown movement" ostensibly led by this Joker character to such an extent he becomes obsessed and that is what motivates him to undergo all the training he needs to become Batman. I don't think we will actually see Batman until movie 3, if that ever gets made (and probably won't) but the idea is that's where it would be going if they wanted it to. It would also have to be at least like 10-15 years in the future I would guess, too. Joker himself always in and out of Arkham Asylum.
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