Comments by "voteZDLR" (@voteZDLR) on "Valuetainment" channel.

At least he's being honest, I mean it's kind of like asking a heroin addict "Why would you ever put yourself in that position to get addicted to damn heroin?" and most of them would say "I didn't wake up one day and be like 'oh wow, I'm gonna go out and become a heroin addict today'." It never happens that way. It happens by accident, usually through something else and it's all just a "path" there. In his case, it fell into his lap because his Dad was such a high ranking guy. Similar to The Godfather's plot, he kind of HAD to pick up the reins because he was the best one in a position to do so. But it was like a family business sort of thing, I don't know that he'd have intentionally have sought out the Mob. To be a mobster in this day and age though, the golden age is over. The government is more advanced and powerful in their ability to catch crooks than ever before.
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I mean I think that a lot of the times a father won't go in full force on his son, if he does he's incredibly insecure. It'd be more likely for a son to beat up the Dad just because the Dad's not really trying as hard as the son would be usually. Less to prove etc.
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The internet aspect of it would make it incredibly difficult to police and enforce. Even if they know the source of the content, that would require FB to in contact with every law enforcement agency in the world. As far as the Middle East is concern, they operate under Sharia law so abuse of women and even children is a cultural norm for them. They're less likely to do anything about it over there. Facebook itself should simply take a private stand on it themselves. They're not beholden to any government or law enforcement agency. It's a private company and a lot of people seem to forget it. On Facebook, people don't even own their own accounts. Nobody reads the TOS or EULA which explains this, but it's true. The buck truly stops with them, anything else would be kind of overkill.
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@shabutir1820 Nah, plenty of people were prescribed Oxycontin pills for instance by their doctors thinking "Oh, it's prescribed! By my doctor! No harm, no foul!" They take their script, and get addicted. Then they go back and if their doctor is scummy he may give them more. Before long, though, that doctor will cut them off because they're now exhibiting "drug seeking behavior". So what do a lot of these new addicts do? They switch to heroin. Of all the people who are currently using heroin, I would estimate about 70% of them were prescription pill addicts before they were heroin addicts. The modern heroin and fentanyl epidemic is composed primarily of people that fall under these parameters. I get it, in your world all the heroin addicts in the world woke up one day and are like "Fuck yeah! I'm gonna become a HeRoIn AdDiCt today! Try and stop me, mom! Fuck you, dad!" If that's the way you think it works then you're a fucking moron.
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@MichaelGrey11 LOL that fool doesn't have a chance. Not even he knows how much his dopey socialist plan will cost. "Who cares we'll figure out it out latah for the American people when we beat Trump in 2020!" Not a single candidate in the Democratic field has a snowball's chance in Hell to beat Trump for a variety of reasons. I will outline them all if you'd like to hear but the first we'll talk about is incumbent's advantage. They win 90% of the time, all this at a time where Donald Trump's approvement level is at an all time high as long as you aren't getting your information from socialist echo chambers like MSNBC and CNN. Do not fool yourselves. And the impeachment was the worst possible thing you could've done when said other candidates were trying to run their goddamn races. That monopolized all the media coverage for months. A pointless endeavor from the beginning. No, Dems lose 2020. Get ready for 2024 instead, is my advice, this Democratic stable of candidates is fucking embarrassing.
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@maximusdecimusmeridius5500 In theory but sometimes they do make mistakes. But I do think they try to keep civilians out of it as much as possible unless you count like traditional neighborhood extortion of neighborhood businesses as "leaving them out" or not. But the violence was usually reserved for other people who basically made that commitment and took that oath with full knowledge that they were in the game for good. That they can never leave except in a coffin. A lifetime commitment. And if you were in the game you knew the rules, and that the consequences of breaking them would be severe.
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I don't think anybody but the person who killed Hoffa, if he's even still alive, and/or the people who got rid of the body know where he is. And from the sound of it, he's suggesting Hoffa got dumped into the ocean Big Pussy style. I guess that's a good way to get rid of a body, if you can weigh it down, you go to a certain part of the ocean by the time it washes up anywhere (if ever, again, cause of the weights) he'd have decomposed so much the only way they'd be able to identify him is via dental records OR his hands/fingerprints. Most contract killers remove both hands and the person's head before disposing of the body for that reason. Mexican drug cartels use acid frequently, but that's another conversation altogether.
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@shabutir1820 https://www.drugabuse.gov/publications/research-reports/relationship-between-prescription-drug-heroin-abuse/prescription-opioid-use-risk-factor-heroin-use https://www.cdc.gov/injury/features/prescription-drug-overdose/index.html https://www.cdc.gov/injury/features/prescription-drug-overdose/index.html "A study of young, urban injection drug users interviewed in 2008 and 2009 found that 86 percent had used opioid pain relievers prior to using heroin" It's one thing to be ignorant. It's another thing to be loud. SMH 86%. EIGHTY-SIX. PERCENT. I'll wait for your data that debunks mine, now, genius.
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@jujitsuman68 Yeah, which explains all the people getting hooked on them. Legally. Then having the metaphorical rug pulled out from under them. Other times people get them off the street one way or another. It's harder now than it used to be but from like 2000-2010 especially in places like Florida you were literally able to go down the street stopping at various doctors and pharmacies and pick up like hundreds if not thousands of pills, most for sale but also generally to feed their habits as well. This all ended when the federal government cracked down on OxyContin in particular, causing the formula to be changed (which hurt legit pain patients) but prevented addicts from crushing and snorting or injecting them like they were, so basically BECAUSE of these "legal drug dealers" that's why the heroin epidemic truly began in earnest around 2010 when the formula for OxyContin changed. People who were addicted to the pills either faced the agony of 5-7 days (at least) of withdrawal, to get on a maintenance drug like Suboxone or Methadone, or, you know, switch to a different opiate. Like heroin. That's where this all came from. That's all I am saying. See the sources above for more info. Dickhead.
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I am sure that's happened before. It reminds me of the plot to The Departed, actually. But you have to assume that some mobster probably took some young, working class kid under his wing and from adolescence molded him into what would become the perfect mole.
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I noticed the tie ... after I noticed the pinstripe suit lol I can't think of anything more "mob" than a pinstripe suit.
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There's a reason North Korea barely has tourism. You can't go there from America directly but you can go to China, bribe some people and THEN go to North Korea -- VICE before it got as big as it did, the founder SNUCK A CAMERA into North Korea and actually got some of the only footage we have of the country that wasn't officially sanctioned by NK itself. But yeah the actual day to day lives of the average North Korean person are largely unknown, but we can assume it's pretty bad. They still have prison camps etc.
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Michael "I don't want to glorify the lifestyle but I do miss it sometimes" Franzese
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Yep. And the old Mafia guys mostly moved into legitimate businesses, so if they're doing any kind of crime it's just graduated to white collar crime. The days of street level organized crime are numbered if you ask me.
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In prison in England there's 1) The Whites 2) The Blacks 3) The Muslims 4) The non-Muslims .... when he said #4 I laughed a bit lol
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I think I finally get why they kept showing those 5G commercials during the football season ALL YEAR LONG. You have to understand just because bullets aren't being fired between countries right now, we are DEFINITELY at war with China. Tech, medical, cultural, etc. It's war. But we do it with smiling faces and handshakes for now. If they have or had 5G sooner than us, I mean it doesn't really mean anything other than they got it first. It won't give them a significant advantage, but it's almost like why people raced to be the first to put a man on the moon. It's a milestone that indicates not just current power but it can also further indicate power going forward. And how the country uses that power is the question.
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If you know anything about North Korea and how draconian it is, you'd understand that this is nothing short of incredible, story-wise.
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GoodFellas is the more realistic mob movie. It's also depicting the mob in a more "modern" light. The Godfather basically showed Mafiosos to be virtuous, chivalrous, knights with a code of ethics and principles of honor. People in the mafia basically are all doing things in a conspiratorial like way to engage in things the government have said should be illegal and then pedal those products/services to people anyway if there is in fact a demand for it in spite of it's illegal nature. Quick, easy money, till you get caught, but that's the contract that basically every organized criminal in history has signed. If you can't handle the thought of eventually going to prison one day, then you need to stop selling your little bullshit dime or dub sacks and go to college. If you in your heart of hearts can look yourself in the mirror and be like "I am willing to go to prison for this" then do it but you may as well go balls to the wall with it and start dealing more in weight vs playing it small thinking you'll be more likely to slide if you stay small enough. If they want you bad enough, they're going to get you one way or another. Anyway I don't think The Godfather is that good of a movie, and that's an unpopular opinion I realize. I am not saying I hate it, I just think GoodFellas is by far the better mob film. But it tells the tale of a fuckup/rat in the Mafia, Michael Franzese is very much like Michael Corleone, but really that and the fact that the business was kind of forced on him because his father got sick -- Vito never wanted Michael in the business, but nobody else was up for the challenge but Michael so over time we see Michael transform into this cold-hearted motherfucker and I don't think Michael Franzese ever got to THAT point. Then again, I have no idea the full extent of ALL the things this guy is responsible for doing or ordering. I do think Franzese deserves his own movie, if only because it will be able to say something The Godfather never could -- Based On A True Story.
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It only means something to us because our currency (USD) has been over-inflated out the ass and the sad thing is most people don't even know why that is. Like "Holy cow, $500 grand is a lot of money!" the problem is back then $50 grand probably actually took you farther than $500 grand would today but because of hyper-inflation and now everything is way too expensive compounded with the fact our money has gradually become worth less and less and less over the past century or so that the only ones with any money are people with stupid amounts of money that would've been considered impossible back in the day. So basically what's happened is money has become inflated to such an extent things not only cost more but the trajectory of work to money to actually buy these things just gets higher and higher and higher, so really the only truly rich people in the world are the ones who have over $1 billion dollars in assets preferably not under their mattress (it wouldn't fit). So by accident or by design it's 100% true, the TL;DR truth is the rich get richer and the poor get poorer.
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Disco Sucks Yeah another thing to put it in perspective, back during WW2 the average soldier was going to be paid $50 a month. However, they were offering $100 a month to soldiers who joined the airborne division, if only because it was more dangerous, but yeah that was actually not too far behind the 30s.
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That's pretty scary actually if England has a law that basically requires you to get permission anytime you wanna write about any criminals whatsoever. Anything that can be construed as "glorifying crime" is illegal to publish now. That's Draconian policy if I've ever heard it.
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In the eyes of the general public, the civilians and the government especially, criminals like Michael and his father John AKA Sonny are just that. Criminals. The dregs of society. But in THEIR eyes, whether it be them or anyone else who gets involved with organized crime, they're just plying their trade. Al Capone has famously said before that all he was doing was providing a service that people wanted, when talking about bootlegging which was how he made his bones early on. And that if he didn't do it, someone else would. In other words, if it wasn't that he may have chosen to become someone who was involved in another business like banking or stocks or maybe he'd just become a plumber. Because really when you think about it, unless there are innocent bystanders in some instances (which is truly terrible) then dollars to donuts if the mob targets you then you likely were a player in the game yourself. It's just business. I mean I personally see them from more of the same standpoint that the law does, and society, because at it's worst organized crime really is a plight on communities wherever it takes root especially in other ways like loan sharking and extortion, etc., but honestly in these guys mind's they're just doing what they are professionally good at and it just happens to be crime. Take that out of the picture and the remarkable thing is that they're more like normal people than we'd ever like to admit. Such as being such a good father that he never missed one of his son's games. That's just the mark of a good father, taken out of context that the fact is he either has murdered people before or has had them murdered. But again, 99% of the time targets are other criminals and it's pretty much a cardinal sin that will beget punishment from the commission if innocent people do get caught up accidentally or otherwise. The best of them went out of their way to see to it than no harm comes to the innocents.
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It's ironic that Donald Trump is compared to a gangster when Rudy Giuliani is one of the most important people to ever fight the mob in NYC history. He was the one that really started taking advantage of RICO to catch them, etc. And he's Trump's attorney hahaha
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I guarantee off camera if he like was greeted at the door by Michael who was just in his socks, he asked "shoes on or off?". For one thing he looks like he comes from a family or region that would have an opinion on it, so it shouldn't be a foreign idea to him. I know me personally, the first thing that would pop in my mind as I noticed is: "OK, on a cultural level among other things, I am going to ask if he has a preference on the shoe thing or not -- if only to save my own life, cause, yeah, that's how Mafia works.". Cause some cultures I know like Indian people (well, I had a friend who dated an Indian chick -- she was hot af, too -- but the one or two times I went over there it was a shoes off house for sure) ask that you leave your shoes at the door. But in America no it's not even close to being a standardized thing, I know feet are generally smellier out of shoes than in them but it really all just depends what the priorities of the homeowner are I guess.
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join the clizzub
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@playinragz You think he's lying about his Mom dying too? He claims he found her lying dead on the floor of the kitchen after a cocaine bender or something, I forget.
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He's absolutely right about GoodFellas. Most people who watch that only seem to remember the masterful intro part where it shows him as a kid and his aspirations of joining the mob leading up to actually becoming an associate, part of an actual crew with Jimmy Burke and Tommy DeSimone. It shows some of the horrifying parts but it does a great job of showing it through the doe-eyed lens of a kid becoming a young man, seeing these guys who seemingly have it all and wanting it for himself. I legitimately think most people watch GoodFellas and think to themselves "If I was Henry Hill, I would've done this differently or that differently -- wouldn't have gotten into the drugs" but that was just the way HE went down, there's so many ways you can meet your demise via death or prison when it comes to the mob. People would do well to remember the ENTIRE movie, not just the good parts. Remember the bad. That's the only reason Scorsese made the movie.
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Nicodermo Scarfo will probably be mentioned in this a few times. You think about ruthless, paranoid, violent individuals in LCN and some might argue he was one of the worst. He was so bad in Philadelphia he basically got kicked out of the city, relocating to Atlantic City NJ (about an 1 hour & 15-20 minutes drive from Philly) and basically setting everything up there and playing a major role in helping to facilitate the casino business there which was relatively new at the time, and it was so corrupt they actually had all of their OWN businesses taking these huge contracts to do everything revolving around building these casinos. Just like the Sopranos, they have their guys on the payroll sitting out there doing nothing while the real workers kind of have to work AROUND them. That was all Scarfo.
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@RufusM Juicy Smouleaux or Smouliet however it's spelled lol
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I think it's almost a meme now, EVERYONE killed Hoffa. EVERYONE knows what REALLY happened to him. And by that I mean it's just a running joke now almost. By the way The Irishman wasn't that good. Easily Scorsese's weakest Mafia film. I would say his weakest film but that title belongs to New York, New York IMO. The Irishman was too fucking long, mainly, beyond that they shouldn't have cast DeNiro. Al Pacino was fantastic in the movie. Joe Pesci was also great if not somehow slightly more believable than DeNiro's character because Pesci's character was SUPPOSED to be older. Casting DeNiro was a mistake.
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I mean he owns it now he can do whatever he wants. I don't know what the point is honestly. It's such a low amount of money it won't prevent anything he's trying to prevent from happening but it's a high enough amount that a lot of people are gonna roll their eyes like "Oh lord look what the billionaire's doing". It is kind of a bad look honestly on his part but like I said, he paid for it. He can do whatever he wants. It was almost like $30 per account prior to that so I mean... it could be worse?
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They'll never find him because the body was destroyed.
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@mahamedaden7237 Yeah it's crazy how much changed in a year... honestly if it wasn't for coronavirus though I still think Trump would've won. I mean, even with coronavirus he still almost won. It was close enough they actually were able to request recounts in some states and get them. Oh well, I am happy he lost though nowadays.
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He looks like he got beat up the week before this was filmed lol
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@stancurtin That's like saying YouTube could be held responsible because people post obscene or inappropriate videos or whatever. They can't possibly screen them all manually which is why they developed tech to do it for them, but all they do is remove things they don't want on the platform. I have never heard of a situation where a phone company would be held responsible for something the customers did with their phones, especially if they essentially tapped into the lines and spied on everyone. That makes zero sense. It's also sort of apples and oranges to compare phone companies back then to a company like Facebook today.
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Coronavirus was a weapon of war. They waited until a) the vaccine was created for themselves and b) peak traveling season ie the Chinese New Year took place. They infected their own people, then allowed them to infect everyone else, and then just mitigated the damage as silently as possible to such an extent they're now open again and everyone else is scrambling with millions dead. This is shaping up to be the worst genocide in human history. China must pay for this.
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DIsagree with him on cocaine as well. Both in the "not feeling anything" aspect of it, or even the "just feeling alright" bit. He IS right it makes you talk your ass off, but this idea that cocaine is so undesirable by everyone that "it's the only drug in the world people give away". Go to any open air musical festival in the world, and you will see just how wrong that statement is. Moreover though I think weed is a drug that people share more than coke. If not, they should.
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Them all?
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I love how he acts like he's a reformed criminal, how he's happy he was able to leave the life behind, but every time he talks about it without the Christian crap behind it he is almost waxing poetic like he actually MISSES it. So on the one hand he acts like "Oh it's an evil life" but from the way he talks about it beyond that he actually sounds like he'd still be doing it if push never came to shove like it did. In other words, dude's kind of a hypocrite.
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Yeah that'll show Van Gogh. That'll solve the problem. What a fucking bunch of insufferable hoes
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Boardwalk Empire's a great show if you like the characters that are central to this guy's story. I mean he's talking about how his first major case was defending this guy for stealing a car basically and transporting it across state lines -- a felony. And something that is according to him almost always a lost case, and yet he won. Probably some jury intimidation there, but we don't hear that LOL. Anyway he says that it impressed a guy named Meyer Lansky. Meyer was #2 only to Lucky Lucciano, the man who basically gave birth to the American Mafia at least insofar as having it be a loose organization of gangs that are governed by a body called the "Commission" which was basically the bosses of each family. It gave more organization to organized crime than had ever been done before. And with it, more power... and oftentimes more peace, because each of the heads of the 5 families all must unilaterally agree for anybody from any family who was a made member to ever so much as be touched by anybody. And of course death and destruction comes to those who would break that rule, Henry Hill and his friends come to mind, who murdered made man Billy Batts in Hill's restaurant and then prayed nobody ever found out it was them. Anyway, Lucky Lucciano's #2 and the "brains" behind it for all intents and purposes was Meyer Lansky. And of course no story about those two would ever be complete without mentioning their protege Bugsy Siegel, who basically was sent to Las Vegas to turn it into the city it is today -- Sin City. A playground for gangsters, celebrities and normal people alike. Boardwalk Empire talks about the roots of that relationship and covers it all in such a great way. For every fictional character/event, there's like 3 or 4 things that are true to life or at least based in truth. Finally, my favorite allegory about Lucky Lucciano and Meyer Lansky is how they met to begin with. Lucky Lucciano was always a tough guy, a bully even, even in his youth. One of the people he picked on during his childhood was this young Jewish kid, he figured he'd have money and not be able to defend himself. Wrong. Meyer Lansky couldn't fight, but three times or so all within one week Meyer Lansky fought Lucky and his goons. He lost every single time. By the 3rd or 4th time, because he was able to take the beating so well, Lucky was like "I could use someone like you, you got a lot of fight in you. Not enough, but you got a lot." or something like that. He respected Meyer's ability to take a beating, in other words, and his ability to defend himself even when there's no chance he'd win. That was the basis of their friendship and of course their business relationship, with which they made a fortune doing a variety of crimes and scams but most importantly of all running booze -- and heroin, too, that came later. A secret venture all of their own. Lucky Lucciano basically invented the black market heroin trade in America.
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I don't think he's right when he says "Nobody just wakes up and wants to be a G one day". No, I think there's plenty of them that do, and David Courtney always struck me as one that on some level really, really loves what he does. He gets a thrill from being what he is, which is an outlaw. And I think we've always had a weird obsession with outlaws in the West especially, ever since the stories of Pirates began to thrill us as children, or the tales of the James Gang robbing trails by horseback etc. I guarantee they all loved what they did.
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Well, they were originally formed as a response to corrupt government. A form of self-policing that ultimately grew into LCN aka the Mafia. Corruption corrupts, apparently.
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Question: Is this how Mafia works?
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@JohnDoe-rm3rj I never said it wasn't? Yeah insofar as Whitey Bulger himself was working directly with the FBI, in the Departed we see a younger version of Jack Nicholson's character "find" the boy who he ends up grooming into something useful for himself. It's not how Bulger really had his connection with the FBI, but in The Departed it's just explained that this guy's master plan was to have someone loyal to him infiltrate the FBI so he can learn not only all of their inner secrets but he'd have heads up awareness on all busts that would effect him, and he could also use the FBI to destroy his enemies as well. That's something the real Whitey Bulger absolutely did.
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