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This is so messed up man. I was sitting here worried that the sister was going to be younger than the killer was, but actually she was five years older. Cerebral palsy, non-verbal, bound to a wheelchair. She was handicapped. Murdered by someone she probably trusted more than anyone else in the world. It just breaks my heart.
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It's not fair to say that meth CAUSED them to do it, because if that was the case every meth addict would be a murderer, too. It is safe to say that for someone who is already inclined towards violence and murder, it would probably only bring out a much more extreme version of that in them.
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Can you imagine how much shit is going on off the grid/in the mountains that we have NO idea about? And probably never will?
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Torey looking at his parents like "Why you snitching on me?" Pure evil. Holy shit. I am glad they contradicted his story, but at the time they probably had no idea he was capable of what he was.
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I can't believe how unbelievably calm and collected that kid was talking to the cops. I wouldn't have had any idea that he had anything to do with it based on talking to him alone. I can't believe how callous he is, I would've seemed more guilty and suspicious even if I was completely and totally innocent because cops make me nervous. That is the definition of sociopathic behavior.
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It goes back to Katie's mother, Alyssa, and Alyssa's parents as well. Alyssa met this 20+ year old man online at the age of 15 and two years later she is having his baby. They could have prevented all of this had they just forbidden her to see him at all.
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@lukedarling6179 That's especially true when the person is already prone to psychosis and other mental problems. Whether we're talking about meth, bath salts or hallucinogens like LSD, it's a chicken and egg argument. Generally speaking if substances bring those symptoms out in people they were already prone to it to begin with.
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@lukedarling6179 If you have underlying mental issues then drugs are more likely to bring those types of experiences on. I have never heard of someone who is otherwise of normal/sound mind who smoked some weed and went into a psychosis. Maybe K2/synthetic weed, but not cannabis itself. ONLY if there is already something underlying would that be possible. Acid on the other hand I think would be more likely to drive an otherwise healthy person (mentally) to psychosis, but still, the more fragile the mind is to begin with the more likely it is to happen. Point is, I think if anyone has a psychotic episode on cannabis for sure, that's because they already had an undiagnosed issue under that. And when it comes to acid, I still think what I am saying is mostly true but between the two of them I guess acid would be more likely to trigger psychosis. Basically this is why I tell people if you suffer from depression or mental problems, probably best to steer clear of psychedelics like shrooms and acid.
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@michellemcbee5168 Same. I guess it just depends on your faith and all. I think it's a nice idea personally but all I can say is optimistically speaking I agree with you. Likewise, when this monster passes I hope either Hell is real or reincarnation is real and he comes back for his next incarnation as a cockroach.
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@misschanandlerbong1621 Denial is a very powerful thing...
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Exactly. Always get representation, it's not a sign of guilt it's a sign of common sense and intelligence. ESPECIALLY if you are innocent.
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I always thought it was funny it's preaching all these progressive (usually liberal) ideas and yet it costs like $500 per ticket or something like that. Some obscene price. People who want the experience of being homeless vagrants for a weekend or two and are willing to pay for it. You have to imagine the kind of people this sort of event tracks, whether it started with good intentions or not.
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@dustindemuth1605 OK
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@shapju One thing that struck me as odd is RIGHT after he says "I think I might need to get a lawyer" his Dad says "Torey, we talked about this..." Now the way he says it, my first thought was that he was like "you play with fire you're gonna get burned" as in there were warning signs that he might be a homicidal maniac behind the scenes after all. But then I started to think maybe his Dad was just talking about "If you think you need a lawyer, you probably do need one. Please know these cops aren't really your friends no matter how much they're trying to make you believe that at the moment." which frankly is good advice whether he did it or not. So Dad was like "Well, it's kinda too late to ask for an attorney now after you've spoken so much... we talked about this, Torey." I do think if you're a minor your parents can technically ask for a lawyer for you, so if it's the 2nd case instead of the 1st case, I don't know why his Dad didn't immediately ask for a lawyer.
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You have to figure like... if they're not reaching out to you or trying to find you, chances are very good they don't want you reaching out to try finding them.
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My older brother by like 12 years or so (both of my older siblings are much older than me, for a while I was the youngest now I have two half brothers both younger) back during the early 90's stole a blank audio cassette tape from Wal-Mart. Of course, Wal-Mart at the time already had incredible video surveillance systems that covered every inch of the store making shoplifting virtually impossible, but he didn't know it at the time. He just opened the package that it came in, pocketed the tape, then continued walking around the store with my Mom as she shopped normally. He of course thought he got away with it at the time, thinking as they're going through the line if they haven't confronted him yet, they won't. Then as they are heading out of the store towards the car, a security guard comes running out and tells them to stop because the police are on their way. My Mom is like "Police? Why?" and then he says "Your son stole something." As he's getting booked at the station, he didn't fully realize how much trouble he was in yet. He had to spend the night in the jail's lockup, but then he recounted later on that it didn't bother him that he was going to have to do that. What he said bothered him the most was the look of disappointment and sadness on my Mom's face. He proceeded to think about it the entire time until bail could be arranged and posted the next morning. It was the first and only charge (as far as I know) on his criminal record. He told me later on he didn't even WANT the tape, and he didn't know why he stole it. But it was the feeling of shame and regret looking into my mom's eyes that hurt him the most in the end. Seeing the grandmother just completely emotionally destroyed and having to leave the room and then that causing the girl to begin crying herself makes me think about that. This is obviously way worse, but even this stone cold killer of a girl was brought to tears knowing how much pain and misery she had brought to her family, including her sweet grandmother, who probably thought the world of her up until that point. It's heartbreaking and tragic.
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@rangerlovee3324 Because murdering someone intentionally on meth and crashing a car unintentionally while drunk are 100% the same thing. /s Apples and fucking oranges, dog. The meth did NOT make them do it. They were already nuts, they just happened to be a little bit more nuts while under the influence of their DOC. But to compare a drunken car accident with cold blooded, hopped up murder, they are not even close to being the same thing. A car accident is just that, an accident, exacerbated by alcohol and drunkenness or not. Murder is murder. Apples and oranges.
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@jessewru6425 GTFO of the comments of a video section unless you're prepared to see spoilers. What, you think we're down here talking about the video before we actually watch it? That makes no sense. That is what these comments sections are for. To comment on the video we just watched or, in your case, the one that you didn't watch yet. Not my fault you scrolled down prematurely.
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@Kickflairee "Cool come back" what are you 12 years old?
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@spongebobsqueeze I guarantee if it was legalized there would be people who apply for licenses ahead of time and are ready to sell legally anything from meth to ecstasy to heroin on day one, especially larger companies. And then most likely it would be FDA regulated. That would be one of the requirements of having it the same way the burgeoning cannabis industry on the West Coast is now becoming more and more regulated as well.
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@JBOM-qp8nq "Some sort of drug or alcohol use" there's lots of other drugs under the sun. And only a moron would think I am defending drug use of any kind. If you go out and kill somebody under the influence of anything, you're a violent person and either the drugs or alcohol (or both, as it were) brought out a more exaggerated version of that in yourself. I am not talking about someone who drinks alcohol and gets behind the wheel of a car and causes multiple fatalities as a result of a car accident because that is, by definition, an accident. But the idea that meth or any other drug (because I am not just talking about meth here) you take it and suddenly your library-pass having nerd-ass self is going to turn into a killing machine is a logical fallacy. If that was the case, ALL drug users would be murderers. Besides, I'd love to see the statistics on drug users committing acts of violence. Violence happens AROUND drugs all the time, but that's usually as it pertains to the people selling the drugs, dispute over turfs, profits, etc. It's more centered around the business of the sale of narcotics than it is with regards to actual users going out and committing violent acts. I would say someone who gets completely drunk and then beats someone to death in a bar fight, it's still 100% the person who is responsible and the only thing you can say about the alcohol is that it contributed to the act. But to say it CAUSED it? You'd have to be a fucking moron. Because again, if that was the case, all alcoholics or people who drink would be out murdering people, too. Does it happen? Yes. Is it the norm? No. It's the exception, not the rule.
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@futuretimetraveller8677 SAME. Exactly the same. I don't know part of it is just generalized anxiety but the other part of it is something about cops just really gives me anxiety. The presumed amount of power they have, the uniform, THE GUN... and then every time they are talking to me I immediately begin the interaction by assuming that they're there to address something I did wrong. I had some cops show up to my door a few years ago asking for security footage because apparently some guy got kidnapped then robbed and they left him on the side of the road a few blocks away and at first I was nervous and paranoid they were talking to me and after that once I understood they were not there for me but for something I had, I noticed they noticed my insecurity and it wasn't like anything happened to me as a result but that's when I realized like "yo... cops kind of freak me out".
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Yeah my Dad told me the same thing but mainly with regards to us living in a relatively high crime environment. He just said "Watch your back". By the grace of God I've never had any issues in spite of being in some bad situations, but yeah not everyone is fated to be so fortunate.
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"Whatever happened still isn't known to this day" Well, assuming he didn't join them... he's probably been digested by them by now.
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@mateocolwell1864 Not true, there's a ton of people who work legitimate jobs who take it. A lot of single mothers who simply want more energy to work two jobs. Truckers who use it to stay awake. Also, not every meth addict uses a needle. I have never done meth myself but I know plenty of people who have, and unless they told you you would never know. Zero criminal convictions and certainly not the type that even look like they do. I did used to use opiates but I've been clean for over 10 years now. BACK THEN I used a needle though, yeah. And I was never a criminal either and by the grace of God I never got arrested. If you think all meth or drug addicts in general are cookie cutter molds of each other and they are all the same, then YOU have no idea what you're talking about. You sound like you're basing all of your information off of what YOU heard on the news. You only hear about the scumbag drug addicts because most likely you got robbed by one or something, or like you said you've educated yourself about it by ingesting media reports a la the news and suddenly you think you're an expert and know every single addict that has ever existed. Do some addicts commit crime? Absolutely. Do they all? Fuck no. That's about the most ignorant thing I've ever heard in my life.
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Hopefully she has the sense to not trust people as much anyway. Unless you really, really know somebody which honestly you never truly know somebody if you think about it, trust nobody. If the guy says he wants to give her some clothes, great. Bring another dude with her and say it's just to help carry everything. If that makes him act sketchy and weird, well there's your answer right there.
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It's one of those weird situations like Columbine. Makes you wonder if they'd have done it by themselves, or if their friendship and their shared interest in murder helped to fuel each other ... egg each other on, so to speak.
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Yeah especially when you realize how much danger the dispatcher was putting her in by asking her all these additional questions.
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EWU is phenomenal I just worry that future criminals are watching this learning how to navigate interrogations more effectively. Everyone should know though, you should never talk to a police officer with no attorney present ESPECIALLY if you are innocent. Most people don't realize this, it's not their job to find out if you're innocent once you're in that room it's their job to find out if you're guilty and even appearing nervous which anyone would be nervous in that situation might make them think you did it. They want a confession from anyone so they can finish their shift and go home.
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@futuretimetraveller8677 Damn that's crazy bro... It is wild though if you called the cops yourself and they still somehow thought you had something to do with it. Kind of case in point with what I am trying to say too. They don't necessarily want the truth, they want to wrap the case asap then go home a lot of the times even if they wrongfully accuse or even arrest people.
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@trixtrix4105 Yeah I can't even imagine like... raising a person from the time they were children and then you find out they're completely and totally insane as adults. Murderously insane. This is someone you loved, that you were proud of, and quite literally is an extension of you because they are your own flesh and blood. It has to be a mind fuck to realize like "I created a monster". It's hard to accept something like that.
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@dotdotdashed "A cognitive neuroscientist" lmfao OK. Every single methhead is a murderer. You're right. It's definitely a "causal issue" and it is the 100% de facto cause of murder in all meth heads. This has been confirmed by peer reviewed studies organized probably by you, from the University of La La Land. You're not a neuroscientist. You're a nerd bullshitting on YouTube. Have the last word, I won't keep you from your very important work and studies as a neuroscientist. lmfao regardless, you're a nerd. EDIT: oh by the way, for an acclaimed neuroscientist you didn't spec enough into reading comprehension. I never called you an armchair psychologist. I called you an armchair academic. Because you are. On top of being a misguided nerd.
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"Who's more bad? Michael Myers or Jason Voorhees" "I like Jason more." the killer said. That's not what he asked. He asked who was WORSE? By the way, in my opinion that's a difficult question because Jason is supernatural and disturbed by familial trauma. Michael Myers is NOT supernatural, he's just disturbed by familial trauma. So who is worse? I dunno actually. But the fact that he answered it like "Oh, my favorite is _____" says just about everything. Those interrogators were amazing.
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@JB-xi2yv All very good points. The initial interactions are mostly what I am talking about like specifically the first two times they talked to him. It wasn't until the long interviews later that I started kind of realizing like "He keeps mentioning the Dad and their contentious relationship with each other but the messages from the Dad seemed perfectly normal and loving." and just like you said he'd certainly not be criticizing this probably dead, certainly missing friend of his. After a while it almost seemed like he was intentionally trying to create doubt in the officer's mind, giving them reason to believe she either ran off, killed herself, or if she was murdered by someone else cause "Dad was crazy" he kept repeating over and over and over again when it was apparently completely and totally untrue.
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@stevenrodriguez9655 Thanks for reading it! It's just something I thought of when I saw not only the grandmother's reaction to hearing the news that her granddaughter is a) not innocent and b) not who she thought she was and is also in a world of trouble but then also seeing the girl's stone cold demeanor instantly crumble hearing her grandmother screaming and crying in emotional pain. It's like, it's bad that your life is now going to get treated to the justice system but she never thought how it might affect her loved ones apparently at the same time. And that might arguably be the most painful part.
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@jastonyabad4322 True, I mean I don't know I think they should take the brains of all the people who are killers and study them to try to figure out what, if anything, predisposes them to being violent like that. Then we can identify it in kids and either get them help ASAP... or quarantine them from society or something. I am just saying though, meth is probably the most messed up drug because of what it makes people do. Anyone who is inclined towards violence beforehand I can imagine that meth would only make it that much worse. Same thing when it comes to people who are predisposed to sexual abuse (particularly when it comes to abuse towards others). Meth, one of it's main effects in people is an increase in libido. This is why so many children growing up in homes with rampant meth use are sexually abused, just because they were a piece of meat that was nearby and weak enough for the taking. Meth brings out the worst in people, is what I am trying to say.
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@dotdotdashed No, just saying the vast majority of meth heads don't go around killing people. Holy fuck we have an armchair academic. "Fundamental attribution bias". It's really not that complicated, if meth CAUSED murder then they'd all be out murdering people. Spoilers: they're not. I'll give you credit for sounding smarter but really your arguments are about as dumb as the previous moron's that I was just talking to.
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@dotdotdashed I haven't revised anything I said. Also, both statements to a logical person who isn't on the spectrum mean the same thing. Holy fuck you're such a cool kid. When can I attend one of your neuroscience Ted Talks? I mean you're just brilliant I can't help but feel like I am absorbing the intelligence right off of your dumbass aura, I'd just love to see the professional that he is in his element. The vast majority of meth heads don't kill people. By extension, the majority of actual murderers are probably not meth heads but I will need someone to independently and scientifically verify it in an academic way only you can, captain neuroscience, so do me a favor? Thanks girl. You're such a fucking nerd it's unbelievable.
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@ac1119 I never said if you are depressed/sad steer clear of psychedelics. I said if you're UNSTABLE it MIGHT be a good idea to steer clear of them. Shrooms are one thing, acid is another. Please name one example of a drug that would introduce the level of complication that would turn a normal person into a murderer. I am not talking about a drug that gives the person facial tics or something, that's a complication. To become a fucking murderer? Even something more modern and arguably evil like bath salts which probably does have a higher potential of making someone more inclined to snap to, well, snap isn't going to turn a first time user into a cold-blooded murderer UNLESS they already had the foundation of a deranged killer in the cards to begin with. Reading comprehension skills. Very, very important. There's a difference between being depressed and being off your fucking rocker. THOSE are the kinds of people who should avoid psychedelics. I think shrooms anyone can take and for the most part have a reasonable expectation of a "safe" trip. May not be a good one, but at least it's not going to make you think you can fly and cause you to jump out of a building window. Acid on the other hand I can definitely see how that would aggravate underlying issues in disturbed people if only because it's more intense than shrooms and lasts nearly three times as long.
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@jello4479 Yeah that's incredibly rare. Besides, I would still argue those people are vulnerable to psychotic episodes in the first place. So, NOT of sound mind. I have never, EVER heard of someone lose their mind after smoking some weed. Ever. I have heard of them losing their mind after smoking K2/spice, snorting or injecting bath salts, etc. Real hallucinogens like acid, DMT and even shrooms for instance. But weed? Even this new era of high-potency strains, if you have a temporary psychotic episode after smoking some weed I think the explanation is more in the person's biochemistry than "the weed made me do it". There is even a really small subset of people, for instance, that they say meditation is not only not going to benefit them, it actually might make them WORSE. Sociopaths and psychopaths, people like that. All of this when considering the fact that meditation for people who aren't messed up in the heads is considered one of the healthiest mental activities (and otherwise) you can do. Some people are just batshit insane, in other words, and easier to set off.
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It's honestly too bad, like I feel so terrible not just for Emma herself but her friends and family who probably beat themselves up every single day with the "I could've done more to protect her... I should've done more" thing. Nobody could've possibly seen this sort of thing coming. People break up in high school all the time but 99.99999% of the time it doesn't lead to vindictive, hateful murder like this.
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@laural.b7515 I am not victim blaming. Victim blaming would be me saying "serves the bitch right I hope she gets kidnapped again for being so stupid". No, quite literally, trust nobody. This world is fucked. That's just common sense. Nice try SJW.
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@susieturk1 Buy a shotgun or something on the way out there. Whether you agree with guns or not, like the more "off the grid" you get the more necessary it becomes. I am sure response times by police in the event of emergencies are not great in the middle of nowhere but there are other benefits to living out there that may outweigh some of the cons depending on who you're asking
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@aza3921 Like what the people at Burning Man have done
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@jojobee42 Yeah Liam was the main one honestly but I am kind of shocked Preston only got 15. And the reason he only got 15 I think is because he basically wrapped the case up nice and neatly with a bow once they did figure out what happened. He gave them the reason/motive, he took them to the money. They used Preston to secure a conviction on the other dude. But still, 15 years only? Very very low amount of time for an accessory to murder and an accomplice in the disposal of the body.
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@MrEvanNoyes Most likely because they never thanked him. Did you not read the comment?
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@roselikethewine Well the modern day APA lumps them into the same category which would be antisocial personality disorder (APD) because they're so similar but back in the day the Joker for instance would be a psychopath whereas Tony Soprano would be a sociopath. This kid did what he did, in spite of how cold and callous he is, for money. He did it for a reason. He's not just some kid who is gutting and skinning cats in the backyard for fun. He did it ultimately for money. It's more in line with sociopathy than psychopathy. If he killed her "just cause", psychopath. He did it for money though.
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Limu Ewuuuuuuuuuuuuu
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@dotdotdashed Oh my God shut the fuck up you fucking nerd it's not that complicated or serious. X and Y. Holy fuck. So intelligent and yet you can't figure out the edit button apparently. I feel like I am talking to Rainman right now, the only thing you forgot to do was *pushes up rimmed glasses*. You aren't proving shit. Meth does not cause murder inherently. It just doesn't, or else they'd all be out murdering. Derp a derp.
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@michaelscott9325 If you end up meeting some random clowns on the streets who use meth and because they do crime, you also get into crime, I don't think it even warrants a third situation. If you got sucked into committing violent crime yourself, you are just as bad as they are. Whether it was fueled by the meth or not.
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@okc405sfinest Barring underlying psychiatric illnesses and other disparities, most people do react more or less sort of the same to drugs. For example, nobody is taking coke to get sleepy. Nobody is taking heroin for a jolt of energy to power them through the rest of their day. It's based on the experiences of others people even know what to look for in drugs at all. Does it affect everyone 100% the same on a case by case basis? No, of course not. But at the end of the day, if having a murderous appetite was common enough to speak of as a side effect when it comes to any drug, meth included, then that would be something. But it's not. "Drugs affect people differently" on a biological level they do, but when it comes to symptoms you can expect from certain substances the idea that it's different enough to warrant an argument is false. By and large, drugs do what they do and don't do what they don't do. If you are already a hostile and violent person, coke and meth will make that worse. But that doesn't mean that everyone who takes coke or meth will be a violent person or even the majority for that matter.
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Dad gummit.
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@841-o6g Nah I'm good
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"Did I disrespect you? Did I disrespect you?" 10 minutes earlier -- "You're a p***. You're a punk. That's a b*** move." lol I understand their anger and all but you catch more flies with honey than vinegar truly.
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@robertbeard6380 I'll keep that in mind when I win the lottery one day lol... by the way, if you have a spouse I am pretty sure if you die it won't even matter what the will states. You share assets I thought anyway if you are married. You may have your own bank account and the spouse has theirs too, but if you die I am pretty sure they are legally entitled to your stuff UNLESS you specifically write them out of it which would be incredibly unusual I would think.
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@roselikethewine Nah, psychopathic behavior would imply he just did it for fun. Sociopathic behavior would imply he did it for profit. He didn't do it for no reason/for fun the way a psychopath would. He did it for money. Not a good reason, but it was a reason all the same.
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@benjaminsurname5584 LOL
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I was like "What the fuck is this lady asking so many questions for?"
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Dude if somebody is missing for any period longer than 8 hours, you should immediately get concerned especially if their habit is to respond back relatively quickly. At most a day. Some people think you have to wait two days, 48 hours, to report a missing person and that's actually not true. You can report a missing person at any time. Absolutely, categorically however do not wait FOUR DAYS to report someone missing. Statistically speaking after 48 hours have passed the chances of finding a missing person plummet. Four days is entirely too long to wait.
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@Kickflairee Nope. Meth might just be the most evil substance on the face of the planet. I don't know how you made that logical jump, only thing I can figure is that you're naturally an illogical person. Or maybe you're just stupid. Either way, you problems = you problems.
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@Kickflairee It really carries no weight in saying "You still going?" when you are also still going. Yet another logical fallacy from the dullest tool in the toolshed. I expect that from the likes of you, though. Holy fuck you're dumb. Anyway, you have my permission princess, you can have the last word.
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@Kickflairee It really carries no weight in saying "You still going?" when you are also still going. Yet another logical fallacy from the dullest tool in the toolshed. You can have the last word. I know you'll insist on it anyway. EDIT: Yep. Of course he needed the last word. Then on top of that he leaves us with another banger straight out of the quiver of his unwavering dumbness, "meth makes people think they're doing the correct thing." Can't make this shit up, people this dumb actually exist.
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@MrLovolovo Time for what? I already had my surgery.
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@UncleHashy Yeah, that's just you though. Not even all meth addicts go out and steal things but it doesn't even take a meth addict specifically to go out and commit crimes. Opiate addicts steal to support their habit too. But either way just because YOU do it doesn't mean all do it, or even the majority. You would be one of the ones who kind of influence everyone's opinion of other addicts though if you're out there doing shitty things under the influence but the point is, if it CAUSED them to do it in every case every meth addict would be out there robbing, pillaging, among other things. They're not though.
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@joshuaroefs9279 They don't affect everyone the same, no. Does it affect your brain? Yes. Does it make you want to immediately go out and kill people? No. You may do stuff you wouldn't do on it, but they don't necessarily change your morals as a person. For example. Let's say you are a meth addict and you need money. A normal person may not ever consider stealing a car or learning how to break and enter to burgle someone's house. On meth though, you'll just be more emboldened to do it, but it's less that you're on meth and more that you need money to buy more meth because you're a meth addict. Does that make sense? They're not just like suddenly cool with violence or murder, but if you have murderous tendencies yes meth will bring out a worse version of that in them IE the individuals in the video. But please understand these guys are the exception not the rule. Most crimes that revolve around drug addiction revolve around the over-necessity of making money to further supply their addictions.
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"I don't eat meat. I don't believe in killing God's creation". Says the guy who killed two and technically three humans counting the unborn child. Hypocrite.
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It's kind of like the Columbine kids situation, where instead of it being a lone person it's actually two. How they fuel each other, etc. And the question being like... would they have done the same thing by themselves? Or did they do it because they both encouraged each other and egged each other on?
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Sadly people who are legitimately insane can't even be held responsible for their actions, not the same way they would be legally if they were of sound mind. He still murdered someone, sure, but he's more likely to go to a psychiatric institution to do his time instead. All the defense has to do is enter the interrogation and everything else into evidence while they began to build their insanity defense.
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@paddymac4130 I haven't seen all of them so I can't really comment on that. The ones I saw he was a human being from an abusive household who snapped. Those movies aren't really meant to require much thinking just anyway.
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@LadyIarConnacht Uhhh... those people are in the minority. Are you fucking kidding me? Sure, 15 year olds run away sometimes. They statistically usually come home within 48 hours because they realize life on the outside sucks harder than it ever did living on the inside with their parents, even in spite of the "rules". It's not like she can legally get married to the older guy whether she runs away or not. The second example you provided though, holy fuck. KILL their parents? Are you serious? You watch too much of this shit if you think that's a common bottom line for someone if their parents forbid a relationship. Generally speaking if they're around that age and the parents forbid the relationship the relationship is dead in the water. They may see each other off and on in secret, but it's not common for the kid to murder their entire family as a result of it. That's just ridiculous.
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That's the problem with the state of social media, where actual currency has been replaced by "reputation" or "likes" or "views". "Subs". "Friends." These people are incentivized to upstage each other, to do something MORE shocking than the last person, and it just ramps up and up and up until finally you start hearing the cases about insane children murdering their siblings for a little bit of e-notoriety. This has to stop. I don't know what the solution is, maybe they should hold these services accountable, but I don't know how something like this could be prevented as long as something like TikTok exists to begin with.
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Mike Marley One would be a weirdo for phrasing a question like that. For sure. “One would” dude unless you’re Yoda talk normally
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@theshocker4626 The nature of warfare has changed drastically since the US seemingly put all it's bets on aircraft carriers, etc. We have more of them than the developed world combined and we're building even more as we speak, and yet in the last few years we have China arguably engaging in biological warfare with the Coronavirus (and we've been engaged in a trade/cold war with them for years on top of that) and then we have the Russians who are "turning a blind eye" to rogue hacker groups who use ransomware to shut down critical US infrastructure, with them shutting down a fuel pipeline earlier this year and a meat processing plant as well. In theory they can take down the electrical grid using similar tactics. And not a single gun, bomb or whatever used in traditional warfare will be useful in that regard. Not to mention what the terrorists figured out in tricking us into blowing all of this time and money on a losing engagement, as if we had forgotten the lessons of Vietnam in the meantime.
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@Craigravon huh?
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LIMU EWU.... and Doug.
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Haven't watched the video yet but I am going to guess he got away, because I don't think Area 51 is the kind of place you successfully infiltrate and they catch you and they are like "Well, should we call the cops or something? It's not like he broke anything or took anything". No, dude, they don't play around at a place like that. They'll shoot you just for getting too close, let alone spending an entire week there looking around then they're just gonna give you a slap on the wrist? No, the only way they're letting you go is if they remove your tongue and cut off both of your hands so you will never be able to reveal what you saw. Watch me be wrong though.
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@roselikethewine Not wasting any more time arguing about this.
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That struck me as odd too. Some people probably think that a deleted text message is "deleted" though. Like anything else in the digital era, nothing is truly able to be deleted. They have ways of getting the information they need, one way or another.
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2:24:55 the exact same thing Jimmy Conway told Henry Hill in GoodFellas. I am not sure if that's where he heard it but probably actually.
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Limu EWUUUUU and Doug
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That's it, I'm never having kids.
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God sees everything. I agree with you 100%. Anyone who hurts elderly people, children or small animals deserve every single ounce of torment and anguish karmically coming their way.
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He's got learning disabilities but he considers himself "extremely intelligent". Knows enough of the justice system to have multiple run-ins with cops and even has his Miranda rights memorized, but doesn't have the sense to get a lawyer? Honestly, you have to be a special kind of stupid to believe yourself to be intelligent but really you're not even smart enough to finish high school without extreme difficulty. Like, the kid is delusional. I feel so terrible for his grandparents and everyone else in his family.
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Honestly like some people are just born to be and to do evil.
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He honestly didn't have to kill her. If he knew about the money he could've easily staged an armed robbery and taken the money but wearing a mask or something. Killing her was completely and totally unnecessary.
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You can tell by the blood on the table and the massive lump over his left eye they DID beat the shit out of him. No question. He got his ass whooped.
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MURICA
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I mean maybe because it's redacted and omitted it's an incorrect interpretation of what happened but let's just suppose and say for a moment that he was schizophrenic. "He was getting bigger and bigger and was tormenting her more and more every day so I HAD to do it to ensure that she didn't suffer any more". What if the other person he's referring to is the other aspect of his personality. He was, on some level, in love with his little sister and was abusing her. The rational part of his mind and the other personality was disgusted by his actions and how this was all progressing but he knew that he'd never be able to stop. I do not think for a second that he ever told his parents about her being abused in the slightest even in spite of him saying that. I don't think he's referring to his brother, I believe he is in fact referring to the other side of his personality that was abusing her. It very much was getting bigger and stronger than him which is what he said, so the only way he could stop it was to either kill himself (the firearm) or her (the knife).
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@trevorsartwork no I know people who do though
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@jamievrawlings1881 That's literally what I said.
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@youtubehastakenovermylife4979 No.
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@karlenhelder uhhhhh what
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@kryztynagil5328 Yeah, side effects of meth use are unbelievably bad. It can cause you to stay up for days on end, in some cases people report not sleeping for upwards of a week. When you stay up that long I can imagine it begins to drive you insane just by itself. Some people use it functionally and they do it so they can work two jobs and still be able to care for their kids. Not excusing it, just explaining it. It's really popular with truckers as well who use it so they don't lose focus. I would say even this is a misuse of the drug, but that is the way I would say "responsible" people use it. Other people, particularly those in the gay community (gay men, specifically) use it to enhance sexual experiences. That's not to say they all do, but many of them definitely do. But even then it's not causing even a notable minority of them to ultimately "snap" one day and then go on a homicidal rampage. I would think someone who is that close to the edge could ultimately be set off by cocaine use, or alcohol, but it's just as you said it isn't going to effect everyone that way. In fact most people it won't, or else everyone would become a murderer on these substances. It's just as I said before that if you're already prone to violent outbursts and things of that nature, using a drug like meth or alcohol will only bring out a worse version of that in you. But that already existed inside of you to begin with, the substance just gave it a microphone so to speak.
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@annamallen90 Define "capable" because sure I guess everyone has the ability to grab a hammer and kill someone with it or accidentally crash their car into someone but I disagree with the notion that everyone has a killer instinct. I don't. I can't think of any situation where I'd kill someone on purpose except for in a situation where someone had broken into my house and was actively attacking my family. If that ever happened for sure, give me the chance and I will destroy them, but that is different than someone going out and engaging in a killing spree. Depends how long you've been off the opiates, how long you were on them to begin with, how much you were taking, your body type, etc. Opiates are basically chemical happiness. That's why they are so good to begin with, they are an artificial dose of what is literally happiness and if you go long enough using or worse, abusing, drugs like that your brain gets used to a new normal until one day you can't afford it anymore or quit. The thing most people associate with opiate addiction is getting sick. That's just one aspect of what makes it so hellacious. I also used to be addicted to opiates, starting with pills then moving on to heroin like everyone else but have been "sober" for years as long as we consider being on Suboxone being sober. That being said meth and opiates are apples and oranges. Meth literally drives people insane temporarily from lack of sleep or otherwise and to me seeing someone kill on that seems more likely than seeing them kill on opiates. Opiates are liable to make you nod out and go to sleep. Everyone's personality is different though. Meth makes people see red.
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@rusi6219 No, psychosis doesn't come out of nowhere. If you are fragile, it doesn't even require drugs to cause someone to snap it could be something as minor as a bad day. But the risk was always there. It was always in the cards it just needed the right catalyst to bring it out. And it just so happens that meth and a few other drugs happen to be known for that very thing. My point is, if you've never had a psychotic episode before but one day, somehow or another, you have one, then you were prone to them all along whether you were aware of it or not.
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@xirogs You're goddamn right.
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@trishfox3483 I am not gonna keep having this conversation over and over. If you are already violent, yes, sure, it will make you more violent. If you're a mean drunk and you drink and it brings out the worst in you, sure. It doesn't CAUSE it it just accentuates it. I know so many functional drug addicts, including meth addicts, it's not even funny. You may have bad experiences with drug addicts, everyone does, everyone has. It isn't the drug that caused that though, a lot of people functionally use meth and have unbelievably normal and successful lives you just never hear about them because nobody ever talks about the single mom who works three jobs on meth or the truck driver who finishes more jobs more responsibly and efficiently than others because the only ones you ever hear about are the ones who break into your car and steal your iPad that you foolishly left out for anyone to see and steal.
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@michaelhoggarth89 It is true to a certain extent. Most people who die their first time using drugs are using opiates. It's very rare for someone to die using cocaine or even meth their first time but if they do it's usually attributed to cardiac arrest which points to a heart problem, whether it was diagnosed or not. But opiates like honestly it's a matter of either taking too much or nowadays getting something that's been spiked with fentanyl (or is 100% fentanyl, like there's a lot of counterfeit pain pills now that look just like the real thing but are in fact pure fentanyl so your "normal" dose on oxycodone in fact kills you because it's straight up fentanyl). And then of course there's a mixture of both opiates and uppers, like when it comes to speedballs and that is basically a death sentence. As far as how it affects your personality, though, yeah that's true. You can have a completely peaceful personality and be totally fine on any drug, or it could turn you into a monster. Suffice all of that to say though you are more likely to turn into a monster taking drugs if you're already kind of borderline or messed up person to begin with. Even something like alcohol like, some people are just mean drunks but in my experience you're more likely to be an angry/mean drunk if you're an angry/mean person when sober too. Some people just can't handle substances.
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@kristawatts2078 Yeah it is.
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@fullSendernopretender Your reading comprehension is terrible. I never once said that. Drugs do tend to have some common effects from user to user though, biologically speaking, but they're generic descriptors like "it gives you energy" or "it calms you down". "It makes you immediately grab the nearest weapon and go on a murdering spree" isn't something that describes any drug, even meth. I said as much if you could be bothered to read. I also said though, if you have a murderous tendency already, I could see how drugs like meth and coke even could bring out a worse version of that in you, but it isn't going to make most people, especially normal people, murderous. It amplifies characteristics you already have. It doesn't just cause it inherently though, that's asinine.
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@0ptimuscrime In their case I think that is actually true, but it's only in their case. I think they were murderers first, meth addicts second, but as I said before meth only brought out a more extreme version of that in them. That being, first and foremost, a pair of murderers.
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@nicolekelly7580906 that doesn't disprove my point
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Little kid with his middle school swoop bangs. He's gonna be the belle of the ball in prison.
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This is just about the most disturbing thing I've ever heard.
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@jaegersmith1166 I believe the stutter was out of sheer nervousness and it only increased as he began to realize the interrogators were dancing around him masterfully, making him dig his own hole even deeper. At the time, they knew it was him and Torey. But they had to get them to more or less say it. You better believe the entire thing was played before a jury and even if they're still denying it, it's pretty clear to see how badly they're lying after the fact. And yeah, the realization that their pitiful serial killing career was gonna end after just one kill after boasting like "We're gonna get more than Bundy even!" and realizing just how much evidence they left behind that they didn't even think about, I do think in that moment he was feeling fear. And yeah, it can make you stutter.
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