Comments by "voteZDLR" (@voteZDLR) on "The Best Friends Who Became SERIAL KILLERS | True Crime Documentary" video.

It's not fair to say that meth CAUSED them to do it, because if that was the case every meth addict would be a murderer, too. It is safe to say that for someone who is already inclined towards violence and murder, it would probably only bring out a much more extreme version of that in them.
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@lukedarling6179 That's especially true when the person is already prone to psychosis and other mental problems. Whether we're talking about meth, bath salts or hallucinogens like LSD, it's a chicken and egg argument. Generally speaking if substances bring those symptoms out in people they were already prone to it to begin with.
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@lukedarling6179 If you have underlying mental issues then drugs are more likely to bring those types of experiences on. I have never heard of someone who is otherwise of normal/sound mind who smoked some weed and went into a psychosis. Maybe K2/synthetic weed, but not cannabis itself. ONLY if there is already something underlying would that be possible. Acid on the other hand I think would be more likely to drive an otherwise healthy person (mentally) to psychosis, but still, the more fragile the mind is to begin with the more likely it is to happen. Point is, I think if anyone has a psychotic episode on cannabis for sure, that's because they already had an undiagnosed issue under that. And when it comes to acid, I still think what I am saying is mostly true but between the two of them I guess acid would be more likely to trigger psychosis. Basically this is why I tell people if you suffer from depression or mental problems, probably best to steer clear of psychedelics like shrooms and acid.
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@dustindemuth1605 OK
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@rangerlovee3324 Because murdering someone intentionally on meth and crashing a car unintentionally while drunk are 100% the same thing. /s Apples and fucking oranges, dog. The meth did NOT make them do it. They were already nuts, they just happened to be a little bit more nuts while under the influence of their DOC. But to compare a drunken car accident with cold blooded, hopped up murder, they are not even close to being the same thing. A car accident is just that, an accident, exacerbated by alcohol and drunkenness or not. Murder is murder. Apples and oranges.
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@Kickflairee "Cool come back" what are you 12 years old?
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@spongebobsqueeze I guarantee if it was legalized there would be people who apply for licenses ahead of time and are ready to sell legally anything from meth to ecstasy to heroin on day one, especially larger companies. And then most likely it would be FDA regulated. That would be one of the requirements of having it the same way the burgeoning cannabis industry on the West Coast is now becoming more and more regulated as well.
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@JBOM-qp8nq "Some sort of drug or alcohol use" there's lots of other drugs under the sun. And only a moron would think I am defending drug use of any kind. If you go out and kill somebody under the influence of anything, you're a violent person and either the drugs or alcohol (or both, as it were) brought out a more exaggerated version of that in yourself. I am not talking about someone who drinks alcohol and gets behind the wheel of a car and causes multiple fatalities as a result of a car accident because that is, by definition, an accident. But the idea that meth or any other drug (because I am not just talking about meth here) you take it and suddenly your library-pass having nerd-ass self is going to turn into a killing machine is a logical fallacy. If that was the case, ALL drug users would be murderers. Besides, I'd love to see the statistics on drug users committing acts of violence. Violence happens AROUND drugs all the time, but that's usually as it pertains to the people selling the drugs, dispute over turfs, profits, etc. It's more centered around the business of the sale of narcotics than it is with regards to actual users going out and committing violent acts. I would say someone who gets completely drunk and then beats someone to death in a bar fight, it's still 100% the person who is responsible and the only thing you can say about the alcohol is that it contributed to the act. But to say it CAUSED it? You'd have to be a fucking moron. Because again, if that was the case, all alcoholics or people who drink would be out murdering people, too. Does it happen? Yes. Is it the norm? No. It's the exception, not the rule.
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@mateocolwell1864 Not true, there's a ton of people who work legitimate jobs who take it. A lot of single mothers who simply want more energy to work two jobs. Truckers who use it to stay awake. Also, not every meth addict uses a needle. I have never done meth myself but I know plenty of people who have, and unless they told you you would never know. Zero criminal convictions and certainly not the type that even look like they do. I did used to use opiates but I've been clean for over 10 years now. BACK THEN I used a needle though, yeah. And I was never a criminal either and by the grace of God I never got arrested. If you think all meth or drug addicts in general are cookie cutter molds of each other and they are all the same, then YOU have no idea what you're talking about. You sound like you're basing all of your information off of what YOU heard on the news. You only hear about the scumbag drug addicts because most likely you got robbed by one or something, or like you said you've educated yourself about it by ingesting media reports a la the news and suddenly you think you're an expert and know every single addict that has ever existed. Do some addicts commit crime? Absolutely. Do they all? Fuck no. That's about the most ignorant thing I've ever heard in my life.
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@dotdotdashed "A cognitive neuroscientist" lmfao OK. Every single methhead is a murderer. You're right. It's definitely a "causal issue" and it is the 100% de facto cause of murder in all meth heads. This has been confirmed by peer reviewed studies organized probably by you, from the University of La La Land. You're not a neuroscientist. You're a nerd bullshitting on YouTube. Have the last word, I won't keep you from your very important work and studies as a neuroscientist. lmfao regardless, you're a nerd. EDIT: oh by the way, for an acclaimed neuroscientist you didn't spec enough into reading comprehension. I never called you an armchair psychologist. I called you an armchair academic. Because you are. On top of being a misguided nerd.
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@jastonyabad4322 True, I mean I don't know I think they should take the brains of all the people who are killers and study them to try to figure out what, if anything, predisposes them to being violent like that. Then we can identify it in kids and either get them help ASAP... or quarantine them from society or something. I am just saying though, meth is probably the most messed up drug because of what it makes people do. Anyone who is inclined towards violence beforehand I can imagine that meth would only make it that much worse. Same thing when it comes to people who are predisposed to sexual abuse (particularly when it comes to abuse towards others). Meth, one of it's main effects in people is an increase in libido. This is why so many children growing up in homes with rampant meth use are sexually abused, just because they were a piece of meat that was nearby and weak enough for the taking. Meth brings out the worst in people, is what I am trying to say.
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@dotdotdashed No, just saying the vast majority of meth heads don't go around killing people. Holy fuck we have an armchair academic. "Fundamental attribution bias". It's really not that complicated, if meth CAUSED murder then they'd all be out murdering people. Spoilers: they're not. I'll give you credit for sounding smarter but really your arguments are about as dumb as the previous moron's that I was just talking to.
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@dotdotdashed I haven't revised anything I said. Also, both statements to a logical person who isn't on the spectrum mean the same thing. Holy fuck you're such a cool kid. When can I attend one of your neuroscience Ted Talks? I mean you're just brilliant I can't help but feel like I am absorbing the intelligence right off of your dumbass aura, I'd just love to see the professional that he is in his element. The vast majority of meth heads don't kill people. By extension, the majority of actual murderers are probably not meth heads but I will need someone to independently and scientifically verify it in an academic way only you can, captain neuroscience, so do me a favor? Thanks girl. You're such a fucking nerd it's unbelievable.
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@ac1119 I never said if you are depressed/sad steer clear of psychedelics. I said if you're UNSTABLE it MIGHT be a good idea to steer clear of them. Shrooms are one thing, acid is another. Please name one example of a drug that would introduce the level of complication that would turn a normal person into a murderer. I am not talking about a drug that gives the person facial tics or something, that's a complication. To become a fucking murderer? Even something more modern and arguably evil like bath salts which probably does have a higher potential of making someone more inclined to snap to, well, snap isn't going to turn a first time user into a cold-blooded murderer UNLESS they already had the foundation of a deranged killer in the cards to begin with. Reading comprehension skills. Very, very important. There's a difference between being depressed and being off your fucking rocker. THOSE are the kinds of people who should avoid psychedelics. I think shrooms anyone can take and for the most part have a reasonable expectation of a "safe" trip. May not be a good one, but at least it's not going to make you think you can fly and cause you to jump out of a building window. Acid on the other hand I can definitely see how that would aggravate underlying issues in disturbed people if only because it's more intense than shrooms and lasts nearly three times as long.
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@jello4479 Yeah that's incredibly rare. Besides, I would still argue those people are vulnerable to psychotic episodes in the first place. So, NOT of sound mind. I have never, EVER heard of someone lose their mind after smoking some weed. Ever. I have heard of them losing their mind after smoking K2/spice, snorting or injecting bath salts, etc. Real hallucinogens like acid, DMT and even shrooms for instance. But weed? Even this new era of high-potency strains, if you have a temporary psychotic episode after smoking some weed I think the explanation is more in the person's biochemistry than "the weed made me do it". There is even a really small subset of people, for instance, that they say meditation is not only not going to benefit them, it actually might make them WORSE. Sociopaths and psychopaths, people like that. All of this when considering the fact that meditation for people who aren't messed up in the heads is considered one of the healthiest mental activities (and otherwise) you can do. Some people are just batshit insane, in other words, and easier to set off.
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@dotdotdashed Oh my God shut the fuck up you fucking nerd it's not that complicated or serious. X and Y. Holy fuck. So intelligent and yet you can't figure out the edit button apparently. I feel like I am talking to Rainman right now, the only thing you forgot to do was *pushes up rimmed glasses*. You aren't proving shit. Meth does not cause murder inherently. It just doesn't, or else they'd all be out murdering. Derp a derp.
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@michaelscott9325 If you end up meeting some random clowns on the streets who use meth and because they do crime, you also get into crime, I don't think it even warrants a third situation. If you got sucked into committing violent crime yourself, you are just as bad as they are. Whether it was fueled by the meth or not.
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@okc405sfinest Barring underlying psychiatric illnesses and other disparities, most people do react more or less sort of the same to drugs. For example, nobody is taking coke to get sleepy. Nobody is taking heroin for a jolt of energy to power them through the rest of their day. It's based on the experiences of others people even know what to look for in drugs at all. Does it affect everyone 100% the same on a case by case basis? No, of course not. But at the end of the day, if having a murderous appetite was common enough to speak of as a side effect when it comes to any drug, meth included, then that would be something. But it's not. "Drugs affect people differently" on a biological level they do, but when it comes to symptoms you can expect from certain substances the idea that it's different enough to warrant an argument is false. By and large, drugs do what they do and don't do what they don't do. If you are already a hostile and violent person, coke and meth will make that worse. But that doesn't mean that everyone who takes coke or meth will be a violent person or even the majority for that matter.
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@Kickflairee Nope. Meth might just be the most evil substance on the face of the planet. I don't know how you made that logical jump, only thing I can figure is that you're naturally an illogical person. Or maybe you're just stupid. Either way, you problems = you problems.
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@Kickflairee It really carries no weight in saying "You still going?" when you are also still going. Yet another logical fallacy from the dullest tool in the toolshed. I expect that from the likes of you, though. Holy fuck you're dumb. Anyway, you have my permission princess, you can have the last word.
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@Kickflairee It really carries no weight in saying "You still going?" when you are also still going. Yet another logical fallacy from the dullest tool in the toolshed. You can have the last word. I know you'll insist on it anyway. EDIT: Yep. Of course he needed the last word. Then on top of that he leaves us with another banger straight out of the quiver of his unwavering dumbness, "meth makes people think they're doing the correct thing." Can't make this shit up, people this dumb actually exist.
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@MrLovolovo Time for what? I already had my surgery.
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@UncleHashy Yeah, that's just you though. Not even all meth addicts go out and steal things but it doesn't even take a meth addict specifically to go out and commit crimes. Opiate addicts steal to support their habit too. But either way just because YOU do it doesn't mean all do it, or even the majority. You would be one of the ones who kind of influence everyone's opinion of other addicts though if you're out there doing shitty things under the influence but the point is, if it CAUSED them to do it in every case every meth addict would be out there robbing, pillaging, among other things. They're not though.
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@joshuaroefs9279 They don't affect everyone the same, no. Does it affect your brain? Yes. Does it make you want to immediately go out and kill people? No. You may do stuff you wouldn't do on it, but they don't necessarily change your morals as a person. For example. Let's say you are a meth addict and you need money. A normal person may not ever consider stealing a car or learning how to break and enter to burgle someone's house. On meth though, you'll just be more emboldened to do it, but it's less that you're on meth and more that you need money to buy more meth because you're a meth addict. Does that make sense? They're not just like suddenly cool with violence or murder, but if you have murderous tendencies yes meth will bring out a worse version of that in them IE the individuals in the video. But please understand these guys are the exception not the rule. Most crimes that revolve around drug addiction revolve around the over-necessity of making money to further supply their addictions.
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It's kind of like the Columbine kids situation, where instead of it being a lone person it's actually two. How they fuel each other, etc. And the question being like... would they have done the same thing by themselves? Or did they do it because they both encouraged each other and egged each other on?
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@trevorsartwork no I know people who do though
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@jamievrawlings1881 That's literally what I said.
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@youtubehastakenovermylife4979 No.
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@karlenhelder uhhhhh what
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@kryztynagil5328 Yeah, side effects of meth use are unbelievably bad. It can cause you to stay up for days on end, in some cases people report not sleeping for upwards of a week. When you stay up that long I can imagine it begins to drive you insane just by itself. Some people use it functionally and they do it so they can work two jobs and still be able to care for their kids. Not excusing it, just explaining it. It's really popular with truckers as well who use it so they don't lose focus. I would say even this is a misuse of the drug, but that is the way I would say "responsible" people use it. Other people, particularly those in the gay community (gay men, specifically) use it to enhance sexual experiences. That's not to say they all do, but many of them definitely do. But even then it's not causing even a notable minority of them to ultimately "snap" one day and then go on a homicidal rampage. I would think someone who is that close to the edge could ultimately be set off by cocaine use, or alcohol, but it's just as you said it isn't going to effect everyone that way. In fact most people it won't, or else everyone would become a murderer on these substances. It's just as I said before that if you're already prone to violent outbursts and things of that nature, using a drug like meth or alcohol will only bring out a worse version of that in you. But that already existed inside of you to begin with, the substance just gave it a microphone so to speak.
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@annamallen90 Define "capable" because sure I guess everyone has the ability to grab a hammer and kill someone with it or accidentally crash their car into someone but I disagree with the notion that everyone has a killer instinct. I don't. I can't think of any situation where I'd kill someone on purpose except for in a situation where someone had broken into my house and was actively attacking my family. If that ever happened for sure, give me the chance and I will destroy them, but that is different than someone going out and engaging in a killing spree. Depends how long you've been off the opiates, how long you were on them to begin with, how much you were taking, your body type, etc. Opiates are basically chemical happiness. That's why they are so good to begin with, they are an artificial dose of what is literally happiness and if you go long enough using or worse, abusing, drugs like that your brain gets used to a new normal until one day you can't afford it anymore or quit. The thing most people associate with opiate addiction is getting sick. That's just one aspect of what makes it so hellacious. I also used to be addicted to opiates, starting with pills then moving on to heroin like everyone else but have been "sober" for years as long as we consider being on Suboxone being sober. That being said meth and opiates are apples and oranges. Meth literally drives people insane temporarily from lack of sleep or otherwise and to me seeing someone kill on that seems more likely than seeing them kill on opiates. Opiates are liable to make you nod out and go to sleep. Everyone's personality is different though. Meth makes people see red.
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@rusi6219 No, psychosis doesn't come out of nowhere. If you are fragile, it doesn't even require drugs to cause someone to snap it could be something as minor as a bad day. But the risk was always there. It was always in the cards it just needed the right catalyst to bring it out. And it just so happens that meth and a few other drugs happen to be known for that very thing. My point is, if you've never had a psychotic episode before but one day, somehow or another, you have one, then you were prone to them all along whether you were aware of it or not.
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@xirogs You're goddamn right.
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@trishfox3483 I am not gonna keep having this conversation over and over. If you are already violent, yes, sure, it will make you more violent. If you're a mean drunk and you drink and it brings out the worst in you, sure. It doesn't CAUSE it it just accentuates it. I know so many functional drug addicts, including meth addicts, it's not even funny. You may have bad experiences with drug addicts, everyone does, everyone has. It isn't the drug that caused that though, a lot of people functionally use meth and have unbelievably normal and successful lives you just never hear about them because nobody ever talks about the single mom who works three jobs on meth or the truck driver who finishes more jobs more responsibly and efficiently than others because the only ones you ever hear about are the ones who break into your car and steal your iPad that you foolishly left out for anyone to see and steal.
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@michaelhoggarth89 It is true to a certain extent. Most people who die their first time using drugs are using opiates. It's very rare for someone to die using cocaine or even meth their first time but if they do it's usually attributed to cardiac arrest which points to a heart problem, whether it was diagnosed or not. But opiates like honestly it's a matter of either taking too much or nowadays getting something that's been spiked with fentanyl (or is 100% fentanyl, like there's a lot of counterfeit pain pills now that look just like the real thing but are in fact pure fentanyl so your "normal" dose on oxycodone in fact kills you because it's straight up fentanyl). And then of course there's a mixture of both opiates and uppers, like when it comes to speedballs and that is basically a death sentence. As far as how it affects your personality, though, yeah that's true. You can have a completely peaceful personality and be totally fine on any drug, or it could turn you into a monster. Suffice all of that to say though you are more likely to turn into a monster taking drugs if you're already kind of borderline or messed up person to begin with. Even something like alcohol like, some people are just mean drunks but in my experience you're more likely to be an angry/mean drunk if you're an angry/mean person when sober too. Some people just can't handle substances.
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@kristawatts2078 Yeah it is.
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@fullSendernopretender Your reading comprehension is terrible. I never once said that. Drugs do tend to have some common effects from user to user though, biologically speaking, but they're generic descriptors like "it gives you energy" or "it calms you down". "It makes you immediately grab the nearest weapon and go on a murdering spree" isn't something that describes any drug, even meth. I said as much if you could be bothered to read. I also said though, if you have a murderous tendency already, I could see how drugs like meth and coke even could bring out a worse version of that in you, but it isn't going to make most people, especially normal people, murderous. It amplifies characteristics you already have. It doesn't just cause it inherently though, that's asinine.
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@0ptimuscrime In their case I think that is actually true, but it's only in their case. I think they were murderers first, meth addicts second, but as I said before meth only brought out a more extreme version of that in them. That being, first and foremost, a pair of murderers.
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@nicolekelly7580906 that doesn't disprove my point
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