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Comments by "Janie Swanson" (@janieswanson2549) on "Hunter Vs Vegan: Can You Kill Animals And Love Them? | Agree To Disagree | LADbible" video.

And a blatant liar, hypocrite, and conman. He uses animal products. He isn't vegan. Just another grifter virtue signaling for cash.
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@rufus1013 "Do you even know what hypocrite means?" hypocrisy - the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform. So you can't point out where I pushed a "belief" or "moral standard" to which I don't comply? I didn't think you could. You lied. "Assuming that you eat meat and claim that you love animals, then you are indeed a hypocrite." Who said I eat meat? You're making things up. Who said I love animals? You're making things up. It looks like your false accusations are based on fan fiction that you made up about me because you're a liar. You use animal products from the same dead animals that everyone else uses. Do you think it's okay for you? I win. BOOM 😂🤣
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@arvisvalit7960 You use animal products just like everyone else here. Why do you do it while acting like you're against it?
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@plants4passions V The problem is people claiming to be vegan are just virtue signaling liars and hypocrites. Let's use you as an example. I gather from you're name that you're a person that claims to be vegan. The odd part is that you use animal products intentionally and needlessly. If I were to point out that you're not vegan by definition (vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or use animal products) you would just recite a cultish doctrine as justification for your blatant use of animal products instead of accepting facts.
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@plants4passions V "you did not cite the entire definition." Actually I did. The definition of "vegan" created by the Vegan Society is: vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or use animal products. "I’m not sure what source you discovered the meanings of veganism but the term vegan has a definition that is much longer than the one you’ve stated here." You're conflating the doctrine of veganism with the definition of vegan as I predicted you would. I will quote myself for you since you seem to have a reading comprehension problem. " If I were to point out that you're not vegan by definition (vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or use animal products) you would just recite a cultish doctrine as justification for your blatant use of animal products instead of accepting facts." Remember this? Veganism is a doctrine. "The word veganism shall mean the doctrine that man should live without exploiting animals.” - Leslie Cross author of "Veganism Defined" and inventor of the word. Veganism and vegan are different words with different definitions. You are neither vegan nor do you practice veganism. You use animal products intentionally and needlessly that are possible and practicable to avoid. Let me help you with the definition you butchered with your own ignorance. "Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose" A philosophy is not the definition of a person. You're not seeking to exclude animal products. You're using them for convenience, hobbies, and entertainment. Please get caught up on the facts before you make so many inane comments.
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@plants4passions V "possible and practicable to avoid by who’s standards yours?" As predicted you will justify your personal use of animal products for convenience and entertainment. "Do you know of all my devout lifestyle choice?" I don't need to know it all to know you do in fact use animal products that are possible and practicable to avoid. "So why assume that I’m not living in a way that is possible or practicable by MY way of life?" Because I am using objective facts instead of your lies, cultish nonsense, and fan fiction.
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@plants4passions V Wow three comments. Triggered? Don't like facts? Unable to keep your thoughts together on your diet? "I am vegan based on how I live." Vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or use animal products. You at the very least use animal products. You're not vegan. "what animal products do I use without seeking the most exclusion?" I would think someone that claims to be vegan would be intelligent enough to find out the animal products you use needlessly. I guess the stereotype is true that you people are uneducated. Fat, gelatin, and bones. "oh this time it’s three responses posted separately" Diet giving you brain fog I would guess.
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@plants4passions V "no trigger here - I don’t do guns I’m vegan remember hun?" It appears English is something you're still working on. triggered (adjective) - (of a response) caused by particular action, process, or situation. You're not vegan. You use animal products. You're a liar. "But I love giving my fellow humans a little info that they may have not known otherwise!" Funny that, you have not given any factual info and are just babbling misinformation and lies. "Someone has to speak for voiceless beings if people like me don’t do it I’m sure no one will!" You're using products made with those same voiceless beings for your own convenience and entertainment. You're just a hypocrite. "We will never be a cruelty free planet but we can always be Vegan while striding towards reduction." More lies and fan fiction. Very typical of you people. "It was nice chatting with you Janie - enjoyed this conversation!" Maybe when you stop being a virtue signaling liar and hypocrite you can learn where you were wrong instead of making inane comments.
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@rufus1013 Explain how I am a hypocrite. When did I push a "belief" or "moral standard" to which I don't comply? Good luck finding that. You can't. Anything else you want to lie about?
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@rufus1013 "You’re making things up. Who said I used products from dead animals?" Objective facts. You use animal products every time you comment. Smart phones, computers, routers, and servers are made with and contain animal products. Fat, gelatin, and bones are used to make LCD screens, batteries, glass, processors, plastic, etc. Thanks for proving that you're uneducated and a liar. "Since you are arguing against vegans then I assume that you are not one." I am not arguing against vegans. I am pointing out facts to liars and hypocrites claiming to be vegan when they aren't. "So that means you eat dead animals and drink cow breast milk." Begging the question fallacy. Blatant lie. Prove it or you admit to being a liar...again. "I also assumed you claimed to love animals because only crazy people think they don’t." Another loaded statement based on opinions and feelings. Thanks for admitting you lied again. "So this is making me think you are a psychopath." Yay, more opinions as usual from you people. Try facts some time. It's the same old inane babble from you people. Assumptions, feelings, and opinions instead of facts. The best you have is opinions and assumptions that you're unable to prove. Care to try again? Still can't prove where I was a hypocrite? Still unable to admit you lied about calling me a hypocrite? LOL The ultimate win. You just got wrecked.
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@LifeandHorror Yep. These people just virtue signal and prove their own hypocrisy every time they comment.
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Speaking of ignorant. You actually think there are vegans? Vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or use animal products. Animal products are in smart phones, computers, routers, servers, asphalt roads, carpet, refrigerators, microwaves, drywall, televisions, vehicles, etc... Look in to almond harvesting and check out the bee cost. Or look in to avocados and check the human cost involved.
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It proves his hypocrisy and his follow up proves he is willing to justify his use of animal death for convenience and entertainment.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever "Non-vegans just make it seem complicated to give an excuse to not change." You're non-vegan just like everyone else. To be vegan a person can't eat or use animal products. Animal products exist in most everything we do from driving to whole foods to leaving a comment on youtube. "So stop hurting innocent animals for convenience and pleasure." Why won't you? Is there a reason that you're happy to use animal products for convenience while telling others they need to stop? "You can start today." So can you. Why haven't you? I predict you won't answer honestly. You will either not answer or you will spam me with babble. Thanks for the preemptive win.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever "I'll never understand the mentality of someone knowingly/unknowingly saying patently false things on the internet and then leaving comments on people's videos of those who correct them." That's exactly what you do. You knowingly claim to be vegan while not being vegan yourself and you knowingly push veganism on others while not practicing veganism yourself. Why do you use animal products needlessly while pushing a narrative you don't even live by? I know you won't answer this question directly and truthfully, I just want anyone reading to see your moral hypocrisy. I predict you will ignore the question, go into denial, ask me which animal products proving you don't do your own research, and/or use a doctrine as justification for using animal products needlessly for entertainment.
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@lifeoftennis1285 Stop making sense. The hypocrites pretending to be vegan can't handle logic and facts.
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@lordkedos "Tusks are basically long canines." So you believe elephant tusks are canines? Elephant tusks are incisors. Teeth are irrelevant in diet type. Blue whales don't even have teeth and are carnivores.
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@rufus1013 You're incorrect. Humans consume more crops than livestock. The FAO lists human consumption of grown crops at around 70%.
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@rufus1013 "Yoy think your smart LOL 😂" Compared to you? Yes.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever Appeal to emotions. Livestock slaughter is both legal and they aren't human. Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while acting like you're against it? I know you won't answer honestly. I just like others seeing you unable to practice what you preach.
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Good because "vigan" isn't a word. I wonder what she would say about your spelling ability. I would say it's trash.
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@thekeysman1 "my anyone smart" huh? Do you're own research instead of blindly following propagandists and liars.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever You're comparing humans problems to livestock. You're appealing to emotions. "What's extreme is tormenting over two trillion animal annually for taste pleasure." You use animal products cut from the same dead animals just for entertainment pleasure. "It's real easy to comprehend what I said." What you said is hypocritical. You literally use animal products cut from the same dead animals that other people use while pretending you're against it. You preach that others need to stop using animal products while you continue to use them needlessly for entertainment. You're literally a hypocrite. hypocrisy - the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform.
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@lukeh8056 Irrelevant to his question.
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He started out by lying in the beginning. Nothing he says is worth listening to because he is nothing but a liar. He actually claims to be vegan.
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He literally uses animal products needlessly for entertainment. That is contradictory to your first six words.
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He literally uses animal products needlessly for entertainment. He lost all of his arguments before he even started because he isn't what he claims to be.
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Some alternative titles. Hunter and guy pretending to be vegan go head to head. Watch how a grifter debates a hunter. Watch a hypocrite guy whine about animals while intentionally owning and using numerous animal products.
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Ed literally uses animal products while pretending he is against using animal products. He lost the debate before he began.
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Ed isn't really vegan. He just pretends to be to get subs, likes, and donations.
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@sterloin Yes it is.
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@ish4638 He uses electronics. Smart phones, computers, routers, and servers contain animal products. Vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or use animal products. He uses these items that contain animal products to record, edit, and upload his videos. There you go. Anything else?
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@gigishroom Okay... He uses animal products. Smart phones, computers, routers, and servers are made with and contain animal products.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever You accused me of eating animal products so the burden of proof is on you. I accept your concession.
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@lukeh8056 "would you mind explaining how a side product/waste product like tallow contributes to demand to the same extent that meat does?" So that is the route you're going to take this time? You admit to using animal products but call them "side product/waste product"? That is kind of funny and very typical of you hypocrites. I guess you didn't know there are factories that own their own slaughter houses and they kill cattle for tallow and gelatin and often don't even keep the meat. That would make it a product. Glad that you admit you're a hypocrite.
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@lukeh8056 Example: https://www.britannica.com/explore/savingearth/the-processing-of-gelatin "Gelatin processing plants are usually located near slaughterhouses, and often the owners of gelatin factories have their own slaughterhouses where animals are killed just for their skin and bones."
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See how easy it is to pull down their arguments? Luke H spams that he is vegan all over the place while admitting to intentionally using animal products for entertainment. You can explain to him in 10 different ways how he is a lying hypocrite and he will always make up a justification for his hypocrisy. This time it was "side product/waste product" and he was shot down. Last time it was definitions. The time before it was something else. You are right. You can't have actual conversations with these people. They will backpedal until they just move on and stop replying. He is pretty much the norm as far as people claiming to be vegan.
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The exact same number as the number of vegans living in the first world. Zero.
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More die during crop production than hunting. 1 insect = 1 animal
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever No one asked me a question here. I guess you're seeing things. Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while pretending to be against it? Inb4 you ask me about what I eat without first proving your accusation that I eat animal products.
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For comedy relief and proving that veganism is just a bunch of lies and hypocrisy. He literally use animal products intentionally and needlessly that are possible and practicable to avoid. He is his own enemy.
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@Selaphane "Hyperbole, much?" No, just facts. "Can you name any of those products?" Yes. Fat, gelatin, and bones. Specific enough? "What is your source?" Manufacturer MSDS. Anything else?
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@Selaphane "Show me proof that Earthlight Ed is using fat, gelatin, or bones in his products." Earthlight? What? LOL Smart phones, computers, routers, and servers are made with and contain animal products according to manufacturer MSDS sheets. You're free to look these up yourself as I am not going to link them for you. "Any specific videos you can point out where he is doing as such? " Yes, all of them. "Reliable sources?" Manufacturer MSDS. It's literally required by law for manufacturers to include chemicals they use publicly in the MSDS database. You will find Apple, Sony, Intel, Microsoft, LG, Motorola, etc.. all use animal products in the manufacturing process. So really you have nothing....you're just bombing me with questions out of ignorance? I am not your mommy. If you want to verify that is on you.
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@Selaphane "Oh I see, you're appealing to futility." Wrong again. I guess you can't help yourself at this point. You went all in and found out I am right. You're the one appealing to futility. "Why do anything to help the environment if you can't do everything?" Again, still you appealing to futility. "So if someone does one morally thing wrong, then they must do everything morally wrong?" And you're still appealing to futility. "That's a non-sensical point of view." And all of it is your point of view. "Might as well litter as much as you can then because you can't do everything correct." And more nonsense....LOL Did you ever stop to think that he can reduce harm without lying about being vegan? Tell me more about Earthlight Ed.....whoever that is. So if there is nothing else. We can go ahead and call this my win. Since you have been wrong all along.
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@Selaphane "I'm not the one appealing to futility" Actually, you are. I would quote you but I would rather you just read the inane babble you typed where you were appealing to futility. "I am stating what your argument justifies, that isn't mine." No you're attacking me with strawmen and making things up so I am easier to argue against. "You mentioned how he's a hypocrite and a liar." Because he is. Prove me wrong. "How so?" He lies. He uses animal products which means he is not vegan by definition. He uses animal products which are possible and practicable to avoid intentionally and needlessly which means he doesn't practice veganism. He practices hypocrisy by definition. He tells others they should be vegan while using animal products himself. hypocrisy (noun) - the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform "Let's assume a vegan isn't allowed to use modern technology (which is just you moving the goalposts)." Still you. Now you're blaming me for something else I never said. The goal posts are simple. He isn't vegan by definition. He doesn't practice veganism by definition. He literally lies and literally practices hypocrisy. I have not moved any goalposts. "He's still reducing the amount of suffering." And? I didn't say that he didn't. He uses animal products intentionally and needlessly and practices hypocrisy by telling others they should be vegan. "How are you typing these comments on YouTube right now?" With my computer that I am using while never claiming to be vegan. "If anything, you're the hypocrite." Prove your accusation. hypocrisy (noun) - the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform Where have I claimed to have moral standards or beliefs to which I do not conform? If you can't prove your accusation I will accept your concession.
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@Selaphane Since you have not proven your accusation then you concede. You're concession is accepted. Thanks for agreeing that I am right and you are wrong.
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@Selaphane "Lol, what kind of egoistic tripe is this?" Nothing like that at all. You made an accusation and you didn't back it up even after I asked you to. I answered everything using objective facts even though you were being confrontational. Don't remember? "If anything, you're the hypocrite." Prove your accusation. hypocrisy (noun) - the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform Where have I claimed to have moral standards or beliefs to which I do not conform? If you can't prove your accusation I will accept your concession. I have politely answered all of your inane babble and you have done nothing but be offensive, use fantasy as sources, and make false accusations. "But, alright then" Thanks for agreeing that you're wrong. Your concession is accepted.
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@Selaphane Two replies? Unable to keep your thoughts together on your diet? "Also, your initial argument was literally already debunked." You already conceded. "You claimed Ed is a hypocrite because he doesn't adhere to the definition of a vegan." Now you're just lying. Are you so upset that you lost that you're making things up now? "I showed you that definition, Ed adheres to it." You showed me a cherry picked definition that isn't the official definition created by the Vegan Society....the one Ed Winters claims to use. "So, explain how somehow I conceded that you are right and I am wrong?" Having reading comprehension problems? I will paste it a second time. Maybe ask a parent for help. "If anything, you're the hypocrite." Prove your accusation. hypocrisy (noun) - the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform Where have I claimed to have moral standards or beliefs to which I do not conform? If you can't prove your accusation I will accept your concession. "Prove me wrong that Ed isn't a vegan and you have won your initial argument," He uses the definition created by the Vegan Society. He doesn't use a cherry picked definition used in Oxford Dictionary. Vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or use animal products. I win by your own admission. Thanks again for your continuing concession. You will not be getting any more answers as you continue lying and making things up that never happened. Learn how to tell the truth and be objective.
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@Selaphane Lol. You're conflating the definition of "vegan" with the definition of "veganism." A vegan is a person. Veganism is a doctrine. Just more proof you lost this exchange are are doubling down with your ignorance. Thanks for the win and your continued concession.
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@Selaphane "Oh, so being a vegan isn't practicing the philosophy of veganism?" Nope. Even it if was, Ed Winters does not practice the philosophy of veganism. "I guess being a Buddhist doesn't mean practicing the philosophy of Buddhism." So you think veganism is a religion? "Keep moving those goalposts and claiming victory" It still you moving those goalposts. "But, you're still ignoring the arguments I've presented which point out your logical fallacies." Actually I addressed them and pointed out they were your logical fallacies. Still can't prove my hypocrisy? Thanks for admitting you lied. Thanks again for the easy win and your concession. Why are the loudest voices for the veganism movement always turn out to be toxic liars and hypocrites? If you ever want to be objective instead of using your feelings, opinions, and random thoughts we can start again.
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@Selaphane You still haven't proven your false accusation of my hypocrisy. Until you prove your accusation or admit to lying I will continue to take your lies as a concession.
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@Selaphane "I have, you claimed I was the one appealing to futility just because I was explaining what your appeal would then be able to justify." So you don't know what hypocrisy is even though I gave you the definition 3 times?!? Try again. hypocrisy (noun) - the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform "If Ed is a hypocrite, are you not appealing to futility?" Again, you're the one appealing to futility. I am simply calling him what he objectively is. He claims to be vegan despite using animal products intentionally and needlessly. He pushes veganism on others despite that absolute fact that he uses animal products intentionally and needlessly that are possible and practicable to avoid. You have now been thoroughly debunked. Since I don't expect you to actually argue in good faith as your past comments prove, you get a canned reply from here on out. I did try to reason with you but you continue lying. Thanks for the easy and total win. Your concession is accepted based on your lies and false accusations.
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@Selaphane Thanks for the easy and total win. Your concession is accepted based on your lies and false accusations.
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@Selaphane Thanks for the easy and total win. Your concession is accepted based on your lies and false accusations.
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@plants4passions V "What do you think they were consuming before they learned how to make the tools to kill beings?" Just like primates, humans were gatherers. Grubs, larva, eggs, etc.. were a food source. Did you forget that insects are animals?
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever Both gorillas and hippos are scientifically classified as omnivores. Thanks for proving you're ignorance and delusion again.
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@IPandaa99 You're lying again. Being vegan means you don't eat or use animal products. You, me, everyone uses animal products.
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@IPandaa99 Fat, gelatin, and bones.
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@IPandaa99 With your hands most likely. Smart phones, computers, routers, and servers are made with fat, gelatin, and bones. Fat - hardened plastic/lcd screens gelatin - some lcd screens/lithium batteries bones - use to purify silicon for glass/processors So unless you're sending smoke signals, you're using animal products every time you comment. You use animal products, you're not vegan.
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@IPandaa99 "Being vegan is about avoiding UNNECESSARY suffering and killing of animals." You're lying again. Being vegan means you don't eat or use animal products. Vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or use animal products. You're referring to the veganism doctrine which is simply to avoid animal products when possible and practicable. It is possible and practicable to avoid replying to strangers using youtube's routers and servers. "You can't survive in this modern world without technology." You can't survive without youtube? Some kind of new illness only you and every liar pretending to be vegan suffer from? It's funny. Do you honestly think that because you need a smart phone that all other animal products are okay to use and you're still vegan? I need a phone so it's okay to eat steak? LOL You people will say anything to justify your intentional, needless, and UNNECESSARY use of animal products. Just a bunch of liars and hypocrites. "But you can survive without using animals for food or clothing, etc." You can survive without youtube as well, but here you are lying to people and virtue signaling. "By your definition, no one could be vegan." My definition? Are you okay? I am using the official definition created by the Vegan Society. You know who they are right? LOL "And why have a word for something that doesn't even exist." Because it is idealistic. Do unicorns exist? No? Fire breathing dragons? No? Vampires? No? You made a bad comparison.
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@IPandaa99 So a whole wall of text to justify using animal products intentionally that are possible and practicable to avoid. You make an income replying to me on youtube? No? You're lying again. Knew it was coming. Thanks for the win.
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@lukeh8056 "Thats like me justifying cannibalism saying I need to eat food to live when there's a potato on the table." You use products made with the same dead animals that normal people eat. Why is it okay for you to do that while berating and whining at others for doing the same thing?
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People claiming to be vegan use animal products made with the same dead animals that normal people use. They claim to love animals while happily using products made with slaughtered animals. Motor vehicles, computers, asphalt roads, routers, refrigerators, microwaves, servers, drywall, carpet, smart phones, televisions, etc... (millions of products) are all made with and contain fat, gelatin, and bone. Some of these are used by hypocrites claiming to be vegan intentionally and needlessly.
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@tiki-takafc Sure there are...just none that I named. Any product that contains a silicon processor isn't vegan as bones are used to purify silicon and is the industry standard. So again. People claiming to be vegan use animal products made with the same dead animals that normal people use. They claim to love animals while happily using products made with slaughtered animals. Just a fact.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever You still can't coherently answer this question. Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment?
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever Name calling because you're unable to refute me? Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while claiming to be against it? I know you won't answer this simple question. I just want others to see you're unwilling to practice what you preach.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever You accused me of eating animal products so the burden of proof is on you. I accept your concession.
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@Selaphane You wannabe vegans claim livestock are murdered (despite the fact livestock aren't human and murder is illegal) and used needlessly while you all literally use products made with the same dead animals. Just more hypocrisy and lies while justifying your hypocritical use of animal products. If you were truly vegan you wouldn't be making comments on youtube.
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@Selaphane That is up to you. I am just stating facts. You're free to use the appeal to futility fallacy if you like. It just continues to show your delusion.
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@Selaphane So now you're backpedaling because a superior intellect pointed out you were using a logical fallacy....again. "I don't kill more animals just because it already happens, you do." Have proof of this accusation? Of course you don't. Just more proof you're a liar. Thanks for another win.
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@Selaphane "Sure, you eat meat yet you spend hours calling out vegans for using animal products as if that's the worst possible sin they could commit." You just can't stop lying. Prove I eat meat or you admit to being a liar that makes false accusations. They aren't vegan if they eat or use animal products. Everyone living in the modern world uses animal products at the very least. Thanks for continuing to prove you're a liar. I win again. You make it so easy.
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@Selaphane "You've said you have before." I have never claimed to eat meat on youtube. Thanks for your concession based on your willingness to make false accusations and lie.
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@Selaphane You already conceded due to your lies. Prove your accusation or this is over. You can't so you lost. Maybe stop making false accusation you can't prove against your betters. Thanks for the win and your concession.
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@Selaphane You already conceded due to your lies. Prove your accusation or this is over. You can't so you lost. Maybe stop making false accusation you can't prove against your betters. Thanks for the win and your concession.
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@BoshSoldierCarp So just like FatBox, you can't refute me and have decided to devolve into name calling.... I accept your concession as well.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever You claim I am blocked while replying to most every comment I am in and mentioning me. Seems you're triggered. I accept your concession as well.
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@BoshSoldierCarp Still nothing to refute me. Thanks for your concession.
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@BoshSoldierCarp "you haven't made a point other than vegans shouldn't be on YouTube" I never said anything like that. You're lying. "Which is so nonsensical its impossible to respond to." You're the one who made it up so you only have yourself to blame for nonsense.
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@BoshSoldierCarp You're lying again. Actual vegans aren't on youtube because it is made with animal products. So anyone on youtube is factually not vegan by definition. So like I said. I never said anything like that. I accept your concession based on your continued willingness to lie.
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@BoshSoldierCarp Fat, gelatin, and bones are used in the products of electronics. Intel and AMD both provide processors for Google Data Centers which power youtube's servers. They both list animal based stearic acid (fat) and animal based bone char (bones) as products used in the manufacturing process. Glad I have cleared up your ignorance. Anything else or maybe you just want to insult and name call some more?
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@BoshSoldierCarp "you're missing the point about veganism here anyway." "Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose." It is possible and practicable to stop using youtube's servers. So you're the one missing the point. "It's impossible to eradicate animal suffering it's about limiting it as far as we possibly can." It's possible to stop using youtube's servers which would limit it further as far as you possibly can. "To be a participant in modern life means you need a smartphone etc but we don't need to factory farm or hunt and kill animals to survive." You justify your needless use of animal products other than your smartphone simply by claiming it is needed. You use youtube because you claim you need a smart phone. That is no different than ordering a meat lovers pizza and some chicken wings from the pizza hut app......that's on a smartphone. It's okay because you need a phone tho..... If you eat or use animal products you're not vegan. Fact. If you eat or use animal products that are possible and practicable to avoid then you don't practice veganism. Fact. You can't refute this, therefore you can't refute me. Anything else or are you going to continue to lose a debate to a person you lied about not wanting to debate in the first place? "so I won't even try." Just the same old tired circular arguments FatBox used.
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@BoshSoldierCarp "I have to use a smartphone for my job and YouTube" And now you're claiming you get paid to reply to me. What is the business called? I can't find a business called "Replying to Janie Swanson with lies Corporation" "you could say I'm needlessly using YouTube right now which I guess I am" Thanks for admitting to being a liar and a hypocrite. I win and accept your concession based on the fact you admitted to using animal products needlessly which proves my point about your hypocrisy.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever You claim I am blocked while replying to most every comment I am in and mentioning me. Seems you're triggered. I accept your concession as well.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever Imagine being so triggered that I thoroughly proved you're a liar and a hypocrite that you feel like spamming almost every comment I am in while claiming I am blocked.
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@Vanessa-fs7oz You empathize with them so much you use their products needlessly for entertainment? lol So much for your moral consistency.
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@Vanessa-fs7oz You literally use animal products from the same animals that steak comes from. Thanks for proving your lack of moral consistency and cognitive dissonance.
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@liberationtoday8968 Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while pretending to be against it? Now run away and never answer the question directly and honestly.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever You claimed you were done replying to me and yet here you are replying to me. I eat a lot of things just like I assume you and everyone else does. Can you be more specific? Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while claiming to be against it? I know you won't answer this simple question. I just want others to see you're unwilling to practice what you preach. You have been evading this simple question for over a year so by your own logic you take the L. Thanks for the win.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever You accused me of eating animal products so the burden of proof is on you. I accept your concession.
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@rufus1013 Still trying to find the quote or are you just admitting defeat liar? Thanks for the continued win.
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@d.6832 "they don't suffer. " This is an opinion. This has not been factually proven. We know they react to stimuli. Why are you okay using products made with the same dead animals that normal people use?
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever You literally use animal products needlessly for entertainment both directly and intentionally... Practice what you preach.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever You claimed you were done replying to me. Thanks for proving that you're a liar. Good to see you have nothing to refute me. I accept your ongoing concession.
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@Fek Lar You use products made with those same dead pigs. Why is it okay for you while the other person is doing something "eww gross"?
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@Fek Lar " no I don't use products made from dead pigs" Remember you said this. Smart phones, computers, routers, and servers are made with fat, gelatin, and bones. You literally use products made with dead cows and pigs every time you comment. I accept your concession.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever He ran away after he was debunked. You claim I am blocked while searching for comments I am in so you can reply. I beat you too.
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Ed uses animal products needlessly for entertainment. He lost before he began.
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@BoshSoldierCarp "We feed 70bn live stock animals a year with crops that could easily feed the 800m people many times over who live under the poverty line." So your solution is to force the poorer people to eat livestock feed which is inedible to humans? It seems mass genocide isn't good for human health....
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@BoshSoldierCarp So it's not a fact that the majority of livestock feed is inedible to humans and the byproduct of industry? You're saying the FAO is lying? Seems like I am right and can't be refuted because you didn't even try.
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@BoshSoldierCarp And you're still not refuting me as usual. Thanks for agreeing with me since you haven't bothered refuting me.
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@BoshSoldierCarp Another comment without a refutation. I accept your concession.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever "Pay the anti-vegan no heed. She can't even admit to eating animal products while spending years on YouTube vigorously defending them." I am not anti-vegan. I am anti-liar. It's funny that you call me names because you are utterly unable to refute me. Why would I admit to something that isn't true that you have accused me of over 100 times that you refuse to prove? Prove I eat animal products or continue to admit you're a liar. Why do you use animal products intentionally and needlessly for entertainment? Why do you continue to reply to and about me while claiming I am blocked? I am living in your head rent free and even your measures to avoid me result in continuing to babble about me.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while claiming to be against it? I know you won't answer this simple question. I just want others to see you're unwilling to practice what you preach.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever You accused me of eating animal products so the burden of proof is on you. I accept your concession.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever You claimed you were done replying to me. Looks like you can't stop lying. You first have to prove I eat animal products since you made the accusation or admit you lied. Still refuse to answer the simple question? I accept your ongoing and seemingly permanent concession. Thanks for the easy win.
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@joelhall5124 Ask him why he uses animal products needlessly for entertainment. He will deflect, lie, go into denial and/or ignore you every time.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever You made the accusation that I eat animal products. The burden of proof is on you. Thanks for the easy win and your everlasting concession.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever Forever in denial. I will continue to win because of it. I accept your concession.
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Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment if you pretend to be against it?
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever Name calling because you can't refute me? Still can't answer the simple question eh...
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There isn't an actual vegan in the video. No one cares if you agree with things you imagined or are pretend.
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@Selaphane Out of context quote. You're claiming you care about things some random guy imagined. I accept your concession.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever Imagine being so triggered that I thoroughly proved you're a liar and a hypocrite that you feel like spamming almost every comment I am in while claiming I am blocked.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever Imagine being so triggered that I thoroughly proved you're a liar and a hypocrite that you feel like spamming almost every comment I am in while claiming I am blocked.
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@lukeh8056 Feel free to look up the number of animals that die due to pesticides, tilling, aerating, fertilizing, planting, and harvesting. Trillions of animals die every year for crops.
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@lukeh8056 Be an adult and look it up yourself.
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@lukeh8056 Straight to insults because you're unable to recognize insects are animals and are killed by pesticides? I expect nothing less of someone that pretends to be vegan.
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@lukeh8056 https://www.nationalgeographic.com/environment/article/insect-apocalypse-under-way-toxic-pesticides-agriculture This work? I never give you citations despite telling you the facts because it isn't worth my time. Once you have a citation you just come up with another excuse for your cognitive dissonance or you stop replying because you were proven wrong.
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@lukeh8056 "Exactly, I eat human meat" Thanks for admitting you're not vegan.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever You're admitting to being anti-vegan and triggered? It's about time.
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Why are you babbling about things you don't even believe in? If you actually believed veganism was the right way to go you would practice it.
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@user-fm9ii8rl5o You don't seem to have a problem with dead animals since you use them just like everyone else.
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@user-fm9ii8rl5o Actually you do. You just lied again. Smart phones, computers, routers, and servers are made with and contain animal products cut from dead animals. You're just another liar and hypocrite playing pretend.
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@user-fm9ii8rl5o "okay there are some things that are out of your control." B-b-but you said you didn't use any. Now you're changing your story. Typical hypocrite pretending to be vegan. "I’m preventing as many animal deaths that are in my control." You do realize network/server infrastructure is upgraded and replaced because of traffic/usage right? That means that you are in fact contributing to new deaths by simply making your inane comments. "Who ever said vegan was perfect." Vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or use animal products. If you eat or use animal products you're not vegan by definition. You're a liar. Perfection isn't in the definition and I never said anything about it. "You seem crazy bye your getting blocked." you're* Learn to spell. Facts make me seem crazy? As usual a cultist that hates facts wants to censor their betters. Thanks for another win.
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@frodeverli4852 I am just pointing out liars and hypocrites. It is completely separate from "whataboutism." You're confusing the definitions of vegan and veganism. That is the definition of veganism which is a doctrine about a lifestyle. It is not the definition of a person. "The word veganism shall mean the doctrine that man should live without exploiting animals.” - Leslie Cross founding member of the Vegan Society. This is the definition of a person. vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or use animal products. This is the definition created by the Vegan Society for the word "vegan" also lobbied by Leslie Cross. To be vegan you can't eat or use animal products. To practice veganism you can't use animal products that are possible and practicable to avoid. It is possible and practicable to stop replying to people on youtube. I am happy to have educated you on your misinformation. Could I help you with anything else?
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@frodeverli4852 You're either vegan because you don't eat or use animal products or you're not. Period. There is no whataboutism about this. It is an absolute fact. If you intentionally and needlessly use animal products that are possible and practicable to avoid you don't practice veganism. Maybe try using the actual definitions created by the Vegan Society instead of definitions you make up and propaganda fan fiction. I am not arguing any of that strawman babble you invented. I am simply saying it is possible and practicable to avoid making comments on youtube, which it in fact is. Dismissing an argument you can't refute by using a buzzword is hilarious though.
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@frodeverli4852 "Driving a car is actually a steelman to your argument." Driving a car isn't replying to people on youtube. Are you seriously conflating driving a vehicle to replying to strangers? Are you under the belief that because you need "product A" which contains animal products then it's logically okay to use all others? Cars are made with animal products so it's okay to eat steak? Really? You lost your own argument. Eating or using animal products = not vegan. Eating or using animal products beyond what is possible and practicable to avoid = not following the doctrine of veganism. Simple as that. You're free to attempt to complicate it as much as you like. Again with the irrelevant buzzwords. Argue with facts instead of dismissing what you can't refute.
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@frodeverli4852 A whole wall of text to say nothing. You're justifying your use of animal products because of a car so you can eat steak.
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@frodeverli4852 " I suggest you follow your own advice, and argue with facts instead of dismissing what you can't refute." Okay. Fact - The definition of vegan is "Vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or use animal products." Fact - if you eat or use animal products you're not vegan by definition. Fact - if you eat or use animal products that are possible and practicable to avoid you don't adhere to veganism. Fact - needing to make a phone call doesn't magically make it okay to eat a steak according to the veganism doctrine. Fact - dozens of devices/components are used needlessly by simply making a comment on youtube. Not just a phone. "Everything you need in order to understand why your example with use of tech is not a GOTCHA moment is in my previous comment." So you want me to argue with facts while you're using opinions and feelings? LOL Try again. Use some facts. Fact (noun) - a thing that is known or proved to be true.
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@frodeverli4852 "which I think it should." Yay more opinions and feelings. I am using the definition of "vegan" created by the Vegan Society which happens to be the same person who came up with the doctrine of veganism. So again nothing to refute me and just more babble. I will summarize for you. To be vegan you can't eat or use animal products by definition. To practice* veganism you can't eat or use animal products that are possible and practicable to avoid by definition. Failure or success at practicing veganism doesn't make you vegan. They are different words with different definitions created by the same person who happens to be a founding member and leader of the Vegan Society. This also answers your inane question. Anything else?
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@frodeverli4852 "Can a person that practices veganism make an unnecessary youtube comment?" Trick question. If they are making youtube comments using animal products that are possible and practicable to avoid then they aren't practicing veganism to begin with. What is it so hard to understand? Vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or use animal products. If you eat or use animal products you're not vegan. "Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose." If you eat or use animal products that are possible and practicable to avoid you are not practicing veganism. Both of these definitions were made by the same person in the Vegan Society. He was well aware of the difficulty in actually being vegan so he added veganism as a way to work on being vegan. You have bastardized the definitions to make them mean what you want them to mean so you can justify your personal intentional and needless use of animal products. You're just a typical virtue signaling liar and hypocrite.
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@frodeverli4852 typing* Your argument fails before it ever began. When you make a comment on youtube you use several devices. 1. Your personal device (purchased, used, hand-me-down, borrowed, etc.) Depending on what you're using and what it is needed for, it could be possible and practicable to avoid. Because I don't have the details I couldn't begin to know. 2. Youtube's routers. Making comments isn't required to live. It is possible and practicable to avoid them. 3. Youtube's servers. Making comments isn't required to live. It is possible and practicable to avoid them. Edit: If you're referring to specific things like the fat, gelatin, bones, etc used then you're justifying lies and hypocrisy. "I need to use a smart phone that is made with fat, gelatin, and bones from cows and pigs so it's the same thing to eat a steak and bacon, the animal is still dead." Now that you understand you will either never comment again because replying to me is possible and practicable to avoid or you will demonstrate the typical hypocrisy by continuing to use animal products that are possible and practicable to avoid.
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@frodeverli4852 "I do believe that it is necessary to have personal devices like phones or computers." You're using youtube's routers and servers which are easily avoided. You're continuing to use them. "Without them I can't possibly or practicably live in this society." You can't live without replying to strangers on youtube? That seems more like addiction than necessity. "I also need them for my job." You get paid to reply to me specifically? No? Then it's irrelevant. You're just another typical virtue signaling liar and hypocrite that will justify any use of animal products for personal entertainment. You're a proven liar and hypocrite.
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@frodeverli4852 "Did you just finally concede that phones are necessary and/or impracticable to not have?" Nope. There are people all over the world that live without phones. If you need one it is one in a long line of personal choices you made. "I use routers, and I use servers." Made with animal products. You're a hypocrite. "Those devices are necessary for me to use." By personal choice, not actual necessity. "You need me to be a hypocrite to justify your own actions." This doesn't make sense. I don't need or want anyone to be a hypocrite. You're making things up. "I'd like you to point to the time I was lying, though." Scroll and read your own comment. Each time you claim "vegans" this or that it is a lie since a vegan is a person who does not eat or use animal products. "I need to use smart phones so it's okay to eat cheeseburgers." This is the extreme of your babble. You use animal products intentionally and needlessly that are possible and practicable to avoid. You're not vegan and you don't practice veganism. You're just another liar and hypocrite who justifies your use of animal products.
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@frodeverli4852 "I'm not living in a place where you can live without a phone." Not my problem. Move. "I didn't choose where I was born, and it is expected to have it here." Me either. People can move. "It is not practicable to move to a place where I do not need a phone, as my entire family lives in this modern world." Personal choice. "It is therefore necessary for me." Justification for using animal products that you technically don't need to use. You don't need to use youtube's routers and servers to argue with a stranger. "For the same reason, as it needs to be online, I use routers and servers, which are necessary and not possible to avoid in order to get online. " Replying to me is not a necessity. You're justifying hypocrisy again. "Sure you need me to be a hypocrite, otherwise you'd have to look at your own actions." Lie. Already answered. "For example funding a food industry that is legally abusing animals, which you could easily avoid by picking up another product at the store." Then do it. You could easily avoid replying to me by not replying to me. "Big difference to what you're attacking me for." Facts are attacks to hypocrites apparently. "I scrolled and read through all my comments." +1 for you "I never explicitly stated that vegans exist or said that I was one." And yet. "Example of the latter is when you "trap" the vegans, I mean people that practice veganism," " I used a person that practice veganism." No one does that as entertainment and convenience gets in the way. You're here using animal products that are possible and practicable to avoid just to reply to me. No more needs to be said and don't expect any more argumentation from me other than the facts that I will paste to your every response. You use animal products intentionally and needlessly that are possible and practicable to avoid. You're not vegan and you don't practice veganism. You're just another liar and hypocrite who justifies your use of animal products.
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@frodeverli4852 You use animal products intentionally and needlessly that are possible and practicable to avoid. You're not vegan and you don't practice veganism. You're just another liar and hypocrite who justifies your use of animal products.
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@frodeverli4852 "Can a person honk a car and practice veganism?" Already answered. You use animal products intentionally and needlessly that are possible and practicable to avoid. You're not vegan and you don't practice veganism. You're just another liar and hypocrite who justifies your use of animal products.
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@frodeverli4852 If you eat or use animal products that are possible and practicable to avoid you are not practicing veganism by definition. You use animal products intentionally and needlessly that are possible and practicable to avoid. You're not vegan and you don't practice veganism. You're just another liar and hypocrite who justifies your use of animal products.
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@frodeverli4852 Not my problem. You use animal products intentionally and needlessly that are possible and practicable to avoid. You're not vegan and you don't practice veganism. You're just another liar and hypocrite who justifies your use of animal products.
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@frodeverli4852 No it's hypocrisy. You're either practicing veganism by not eating or using animal products or you're not. If you don't like the definition you can whine to those who made it. You use animal products intentionally and needlessly that are possible and practicable to avoid. You're not vegan and you don't practice veganism. You're just another liar and hypocrite who justifies your use of animal products. You don't need to lie and practice hypocrisy to reduce suffering. You can simply reduce suffering and stop virtue signaling and lying.
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@frodeverli4852 "If it is not possible or practicable to do the thing" It is possible and practicable to stop replying to me. You're making a conscious choice to use animal products just to reply to me. Replying to me is possible and practicable to avoid by simply not replying to me. You use animal products intentionally and needlessly that are possible and practicable to avoid. You're not vegan and you don't practice veganism. You're just another liar and hypocrite who justifies your use of animal products. You don't need to lie and practice hypocrisy to reduce suffering. You can simply reduce suffering and stop virtue signaling and lying.
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@frodeverli4852 You use animal products intentionally and needlessly that are possible and practicable to avoid. You're not vegan and you don't practice veganism. You're just another liar and hypocrite who justifies your use of animal products. You don't need to lie and practice hypocrisy to reduce suffering. You can simply reduce suffering and stop virtue signaling and lying.
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@frodeverli4852 The perfectionism fallacy doesn't apply here. I am not saying that you shouldn't reduce harm because you can't be vegan. I am simply saying one doesn't have to lie to reduce harm. You use animal products intentionally and needlessly that are possible and practicable to avoid. You're not vegan and you don't practice veganism. You're just another liar and hypocrite who justifies your use of animal products.
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Devolution and time travel are not the same thing..... She was referring to humans devolving to ape....
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@darcymr353 Because they want to virtue signal to their family and friends until they alienate themselves enough to go back to being normal. What was the statistic? 90%+ people who go on a vegan diet quit within 4 months to a year?
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while claiming to be against it? I know you won't answer this simple question. I just want others to see you're unwilling to practice what you preach.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever You accused me of eating animal products so the burden of proof is on you. I accept your concession.
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@lukeh8056 You're not vegan so the questions doesn't apply to you.
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He just honed his rhetoric. He is just like all the rest as far as his lying and hypocrisy goes.
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You're still using animal products intentionally and needlessly. You're not vegan. Maybe try in another week or two after you educate yourself a bit better.
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@comictemplatestudios4378 I didn't reply to you either.
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@comictemplatestudios4378 It happens.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while pretending to be against it? I know you won't answer honestly, I just want everyone to see you don't practice what you preach. I win. I accept your forthcoming concession based on the fact you will evade or ignore this simple question.
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Seven Ellen Several farmed animals would go on the endangered list if people like you got their way. No farmer is going to pay to feed animals he can't sell.
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@plants4passions V "what is wrong with endangered animals? It’s a natural occurrence." So is eating animals. If you're so against using factory farmed animal products then why do you use factory farmed animal products?
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@plants4passions V Two replies? Unable to keep your thoughts together on your diet? "honey I’m not sure who told you eating animals was natural but a man-made process must take place in order to eat animals" Humans like primates were eating animals long before cooked meat was invented. Insects are animals. "That has very little logical weight coming from someone who seeks to exclude suffering." No one really does that.
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@plants4passions V "Their main source of food were plants." Just like humans today and primates. Instead of being scavengers and hunters of opportunity humans now produce our own food. "There is no way in hell that eating mostly insects leads to most of the weight of a primate" I never said anything about eating "mostly insects." If the only way you can argue against me is by making things up that I never said, you lost before you began. "And humanity not being responsible enough to reduce the harms that it places on others is probably what’s wrong with this damaged planet." Probably? So you don't know anything for certain and are just here to spread propaganda and fan fiction.... Anything else?
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever Tell us more how Oysters feel more than plants. Neither of them have a central nervous system. Guess you just got debunked. You're a liar.
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@a cat I never said that. I guess you have reading problems. Ask your parents for help.
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That's just what happens when you choose a hunter that doesn't need to defend their stance and someone that has been defending his lies and hypocrisy for years. He is skilled in evasion, double speak, and manipulation of a talking point. When you see someone claiming to be vegan you can ask a simple question and you will find out they will evade the truth at all costs. "Why do you use animal products intentionally and needlessly that are possible and practicable to avoid while telling others they shouldn't?" Smart phones, computers, routers, servers, televisions, asphalt roads, motor vehicles, drywall, etc.. are all made with fat, gelatin, and bones. You will get denial, monologues, personal attacks, justifications, etc... They will never plainly and honestly answer the question because it destroys their narrative with hypocrisy.
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 @isabellezablocki7447 "Ok. They were leaving and breathing animals" They weren't leaving if they are standing around to get shot.
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@isabellezablocki7447 No I mean "leaving" because that is what you typed. Maybe go ask a parent for help. Anything else?
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@isabellezablocki7447 It's low to tell me I am wrong when I am using your words. I even quoted you. I don't care what English is to you. I was replying to what you typed....not what you may have probably kind of meant.
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@Anom990 Have a total number of rodents, insects, arachnids, and wild animals killed? Of course you don't.....
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@Anom990 "Yes." Okay give those numbers. "Rodents move out of the way when they hear machinery." No need to lie. Give the number since you claimed to have it for all rodents, insects, arachnids, and wild animals killed.
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@Selaphane "Over half the crops grown are fed to livestock which are then consumed by humans." You're lying again. Is that all you do? Over 97% of all crops are grown for human consumption and the byproducts of that consumption is livestock feed. Unless you think livestock eat ethanol, soybean oil, biodiesel, cigarettes, palm oil, etc... Just another liar and hypocrite pushing propaganda.
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@johngwilco2461 He is such a liar. He makes up stats and facts on the spot. The FAO reports over 97% of crops are grown for human consumption and the byproducts are used for livestock feed. Watch for liars like him.
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@Selaphane You're so triggered you couldn't even reply to the right person. LOL "So because my food causes death, you justify your food because it causes more deaths? " I don't think anyone said that. You're using the appeal to futility fallacy. "That logic allows me to eat anything I want. If something is going to die for food, might as well just make more things die then." More appeal to futility. Your logic allows you to eat anything you want. You're using youtube's servers made with animal products and you justify that by claiming you need a phone/computer. Youtube is avoidable but you're using it because of your phone/computer argument. The pizza hut app is also available on phones and computers. So by your own logic you can claim to be vegan while ordering a meat lovers pizza and some chicken wings....because phone/computer. "Oh? Didn't know that ethanol and cigarettes were edible." So you didn't know the corn mash byproduct that leaves ethanol plants is inedible to humans and is used in livestock feed? I guess you know now. You can stop lying. So you didn't know tobacco seeds are a byproduct of harvesting tobacco and are used to feed livestock? I guess you know now. You can stop lying. You're such a liar and a hypocrite. Thanks for my endless wins and your concessions based on your own faulty logic, lies, and ignorance.
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@Selaphane " It seems you've finally learned what appealing to futility is" I have known for years. You're the one using it. "That isn't my argument, that is me stating your logic back to you." Nope, actually it is your logic. My logic is very easy to understand. Stop lying about being vegan and practicing veganism when you literally use animal products for entertainment. You justify your use of animal products any time someone proves you're a liar or hypocrite. "You believe animals should be eaten because "X" causes animal deaths anyway." Another lie. I never said that and I don't believe it. You just can't stop yourself from lying. "That's not my argument, that's yours to justify your actions." That is your argument since you made it up and falsely applied it to me. You just can't stop lying. I win again....so easy.
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@Selaphane "Why DO you think we should eat animals?" I never said we should. You just can't stop lying. Yet another win. You just keep giving me unlimited wins.
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@Selaphane "Why spend so much time replying to vegans" I have never replied to a vegan on youtube. You're just continuing to lie. I already accepted your concession.
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@Selaphane You already conceded due to your lies. Prove your accusation or this is over. You can't so you lost. Maybe stop making false accusation you can't prove against your betters. Thanks for the win and your concession.
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@Selaphane "when you feel backed into a corner." When I get tired of the same propaganda and lies being babbled over and over. You already conceded due to your lies. Prove your accusation or this is over. You can't so you lost. Maybe stop making false accusation you can't prove against your betters. Thanks for the win and your concession.
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@johngwilco2461 Exactly. If you go through the comments you can see he has replied in comments with me in them and types about me. Living in his head rent free.
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@Selaphane "Except it's a sentient resource which feels pain and doesn't want or need to die." And here you are using pieces cut from their bodies for entertainment. "What gives us the right to treat animals the way that we do for nothing other than taste?" They are used for much more than "taste" in our world. You're using animal products cut from the same dead animals for entertainment. Just more hypocrisy from you. You use animal products intentionally and needlessly for entertainment while whining about taste.
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@Selaphane "The byproduct industry is a secondary result of animal agriculture." You did know factories exist that own their own slaughterhouses who don't even keep the meat right? They exist solely for animal product. Fat btw is used in the products of servers....fat is classified as an animal product and not a byproduct. Just blew your justification away. "If you happen to buy practical products that contain obscure animal byproducts you are not having a big impact funding animal agriculture itself." You're justifications for continued hypocrisy are endless and all irrelevant. You literally use animal products cut from the same dead animals that everyone else uses. "Once again, you fail to see how you're appealing to futility." Once again you're building a strawman so you can project your own appeal to futility. "Just remember that slaughterhouses don't exist to produce the collagen that goes into some adhesives, they exist to produce meat." Actually you're wrong. There are slaughterhouses that exist for that very product. "When paying for a slice of meat you are directly paying for the death of an animal for pleasure." When using youtube you are directly using animal products cut from dead animals for entertainment. "Go crawl back into your hole, you constantly spew the same argument which has been debunked a million times." My argument has been debunked zero times. You just continue to justify hypocrisy while pretending that it debunked me. "Repeating the same thing over and over and expecting different results is the definition of insanity." More projection. You continue to repeat the same debunked justifications over and over. Thanks for continuing to prove I am right and you're a hypocrite. I win again and as always I accept your concession based on your inability to use facts.
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@Selaphane "Name a single one." Darling ingredients is the only one I can think of locally. They accept dead, dying, diseased, etc. and use rendering processes to salvage bones, gelatin, skin, etc.. "You literally can't," B-b-but I just did. "Quit making things up." Like you have been for the past week? Seems you're projecting. "Break down my argument and explain how I'm appealing to futility." By claiming I am with your strawman argument. "Another thing I'm sure you'll avoid doing." B-b-but I just did. You use animal products needlessly for entertainment. Fact. You claim that me giving you this information is ALSO me saying that it's okay to eat meat because you use animal products. I never said that, you did. Now that you have been thoroughly refuted and debunked yet again. You will receive canned messages from here on out unless you actually prove me wrong or refute me with facts.
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@Selaphane So you agree they slaughter without keeping the meat in some cases. Cool. "You don't even have an argument other than vegans are hypocrites" I never said that. You're lying and making things up again. Thanks for the win. I accept your concession on this in perpetuity due to your constant lying.
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@Selaphane "Yup." So you agree with me and confirm I am right. "You've never called me or Earthling Ed a hypocrite?" Of course I have. Neither of you are vegan. Go back and find a quote of me admitting either of you are vegan. It doesn't exist. Come back when you find it. See ya never. You both use animal products intentionally and needlessly. Neither of you are vegan. Thanks for confirming yet again that I am right, you're a liar, and a hypocrite.
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@Selaphane "Sure" Exactly. "According to your altered definition" Another lie. I don't use altered definitions. I use the actual official definitions created by the Vegan Society. "If driving on roads or using a piece of technology makes someone not vegan then literally nobody is vegan," Exactly. "I still fail to see how that's relevant at all in terms of consuming animals." consume - eat, drink, or ingest (food or drink). consume - buy (goods or services). consume - use up (a resource). Using the internet, youtube, smart phones, etc is consuming. You don't have to lie about being vegan to reduce your consumption of animal products. It's possible to simply reduce your use of animal products without being a virtue signaling liar and a hypocrite. It's sad that you know the facts and still continue to lie.
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@Selaphane "Why are you so hostile towards (your believed) supposed hypocrisy?" It's literal fact. You tell others not to use animal products while you literally use animal products. hypocrisy - the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform. "Either way, it sounds like you're in agreement that reducing animal products is a moral and virtuous goal." I enjoy pointing out liars and hypocrites. I don't care what beliefs you have. If you openly preach lies and hypocrisy, (like you factually do) I point them out. So nothing to refute me and just more babble. I accept your concession.
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@Selaphane "I tell people to make easy changes" Easy change = not using youtube which is built from the foundation using animal products. Funny how you're now demanding I point out things you said in the past while you still haven't pointed out where I claimed to eat animal products after falsely accusing me of eating animal products. I accept your concession in perpetuity as you blatantly lied about crop usage, you lied about my diet and still haven't proven your accusation, you lied about being vegan while using animal products to do it, and you push hypocrisy by telling others to do what you're unwilling to do.
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@Selaphane You have already conceded in perpetuity due to your lies. "Have never told anyone to do that, you're saying that." B-b-but : "I tell people to make easy changes" An easy change = stop using youtube. It's an easy change. Simply don't use youtube. "LOL. Please explain how animal products are the foundation of youtube and then provide a source please." The foundation of servers is the processors. Intel/AMD list animal based stearic acid (fat) and animal based bone char (bones) on their public MSDS. Source - MSDS "So you don't eat animal products?" Why are you asking me a question about something you already accused me of? Just more proof you lied. Prove your accusation or you automatically admit you're a liar. "Then it seems we're on the same page after all." Nope. Lying about being vegan, lying about crop statistics, and preaching that others shouldn't use animal products while you literally use animal products will always keep us divided. You're a virtue signaling liar and hypocrite. I am simply a normal person who enjoys pointing out liars and hypocrites. "Such as? Prove your accusation." You tell others they shouldn't use animal products. "I tell people to make easy changes" <-- You don't do this. Unless your next response is proof of your accusations against me I will accept that you're just a liar and a hypocrite pushing propaganda.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever Imagine being so triggered that I thoroughly proved you're a liar and a hypocrite that you feel like spamming almost every comment I am in while claiming I am blocked.
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@Selaphane As predicted. You won't prove your accusation. "Have never once said that." B-b-but you did. "we shouldn't eat animals" eat / use = same thing as far as the definition of "vegan" is concerned "Find where I said as such or admit you're lying." 7 days ago. You lied about us being in agreement and claimed "we shouldn't eat animals." Then you literally continued to use animal products cut from the same dead animals that people eat just to comment. Hypocrisy. Thanks for the win. I accept your final concession based on your lies, hypocrisy, virtue signaling, and endless justifications.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever Imagine being so triggered that I thoroughly proved you're a liar and a hypocrite that you feel like spamming almost every comment I am in while claiming I am blocked.
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@Selaphane And now you're reduced to name calling and more lies. I never said a vegan was a hypocrite. You're not vegan and neither is anyone else on youtube. I accept your concession based on the fact you have devolved to name calling and more lies.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever You're doing a lot of replying about me for someone who has claimed to block me.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever Imagine being so triggered that I thoroughly proved you're a liar and a hypocrite that you feel like spamming almost every comment I am in while claiming I am blocked.
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@eliasbostrom5131 Why do you attack normal people and pretend to be vegan while you literally use animal products needlessly for entertainment? I know you won't answer this question directly and truthfully, I just want anyone reading to see your moral hypocrisy. I predict you will ignore the question, go into denial, ask me which animal products proving you don't do your own research, and/or use a doctrine as justification for using animal products needlessly for entertainment.
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@arvisvalit7960 You use animal products just like everyone else here. Why do you do it while acting like you're against it?
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@lukeh8056 "It requires 83% of farmland yet provides 18% of global calories." Disingenuous. The majority of farm land used for animal agriculture is inhospitable to growing feed crops. "What would we do with that 75%?" Not very much considering that grass barely grows on it. You plan on living on grass? Just another disingenuous liar and hypocrite that happily uses animal products to push an agenda you don't even live by.
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@lautaroka5847 If you actually believed any of your inane babble you wouldn't be using animal products intentionally and needlessly.
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@lukeh8056 Even after people give you citations you just run off and not answer them. You don't like being proven wrong which is pretty much all of the time. You're just another virtue signaling liar and hypocrite pretending to be vegan. https://www.sciencetimes.com/articles/24473/20191218/a-group-of-scientists-suggest-that-plants-feel-pain.htm
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@lukeh8056 "did you give me the citation on trillions of animals dying from crops? " Yep. "and before I read the original paper that you claim proves plants feel pain, can you confirm that you've read it in its fullness?" Just gave an example. Either way you use animal products intentionally and needlessly just like everyone else. You're not vegan.
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@lukeh8056 Nope. Just did a simple google search and linked something that came up. The citation was sent days ago and is ready for your dismissal or avoidance. Glad you agree with the rest of my comment.
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@lukeh8056 It's surprising that the only data you have seen on the subject is what is linked. Go look for yourself if you find it so interested. As far as replying to you again on the other comment. No. What makes you think I have the notification?
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@lukeh8056 I wouldn't know. Do you think spamming me with babble and questions while lying about being vegan changes the absolute fact that you use animal products?
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@lukeh8056 You wanted a link and you got one. Don't like it? I don't care. Just because you're triggered for being called out for your lies about being vegan doesn't mean some random link is going to change anything.
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@lukeh8056 You're lying again. You don't practice veganism. You use animal products that are possible and practicable to avoid. You're just another liar and hypocrite pretending to be vegan so you can virtue signal for attention.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever "We just want you to stop causing needless suffering. Go vegan." You use animal products needlessly for entertainment. Animal products are used in smart phones, computers, routers, and servers. Youtube is an entertainment platform and uses processors made with fat and bones. Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while claiming you're against animal abuse? I know you won't answer this directly and honestly, but I want others to see your moral hypocrisy. I predict you won't answer the question, you will go into denial, you will ask which animal products proving you don't do any research, and/or you will use a doctrine as a justification for using animal products needlessly for entertainment.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever Imagine being so triggered that I thoroughly proved you're a liar and a hypocrite that you feel like spamming almost every comment I am in while claiming I am blocked.
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He literally uses animal products intentionally and needlessly while claiming to be against it and telling others they should. He is a liar and hypocrite pushing a religion he doesn't even practice.
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@gutzimmumdo4910 Smart phones, computers, routers, and servers are made with fat, gelatin, and bones. He records, edits, and uploads digital videos proving he uses animal products. Next time you comment have your parents spell check for you.
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You use animal products just like everyone else. No need to start name calling or insulting.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever You're non-vegan just like me and everyone else here. I guess you're admitting to mental gymnastics.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever Now deleting your replies and reposting them for attention eh? Weird how you do that after claiming to have me blocked.
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@lautaroka5847 Everyone is in the non-vegan club. Some just prefer facts over fan fiction.
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@ryan9166 Where is the moral consistency? The same people who claim that it's wrong use animal products needlessly for entertainment and convenience.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever You accused me of eating animal products so the burden of proof is on you. I accept your concession.
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He is a liar and a hypocrite that convinces people to send him money with his lies.
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@whigmin5436 Okay. He claims to be vegan. He uses animal products intentionally and needlessly for entertainment. Smart phones, computers, routers, and servers are all made with fat, gelatin, and bones. He claims to practice veganism. He uses animal products intentionally and needlessly that are "possible and practicable to avoid" for entertainment. While he is telling these lies he is also linking his patreon on his channel and asking for donations. He is a liar by definition, a hypocrite by definition, and asking for money.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever You're still name calling me and stalking me after claiming you have me blocked. I am not anti-vegan, I am anti-liar and hypocrite.
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@whigmin5436 "So, as best as possible, you eliminate as much abuse of animal-based wares as you can." We agree. It is possible and practicable to stop using youtube's servers which is a entertainment platform made with fat, gelatin, and bones. Intel/AMD processors are used in Google Data Centers which provide servers for Youtube. Intel/AMD both list animal based stearic acid and animal based bone char on the MSDS site. This is irrefutable.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever Imagine being so triggered that I thoroughly proved you're a liar and a hypocrite that you feel like spamming almost every comment I am in while claiming I am blocked.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever Imagine being so triggered that I thoroughly proved you're a liar and a hypocrite that you feel like spamming almost every comment I am in while claiming I am blocked.
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@justroberto5052 Pretty irrelevant since no one actually adheres to veganism. It's so hard that people just pretend to follow it and claim to follow it.
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He is a liar and grifter. People often get dismissive around being lying about being vegan.
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Hypocrisy is to veganism like fish are to water.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever When have I not practiced what I preached? Oh right...you can't say because you're actually projecting. Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while claiming to be against it? I know you won't answer this simple question. I just want others to see you're unwilling to practice what you preach.
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@noinjusticelastsforever3999 You accused me of eating animal products so the burden of proof is on you. I accept your concession.
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@idkwhichnametochooseidk6131 He is a liar and a hypocrite. He is neglecting to admit the fact he uses animal products intentionally and needlessly just like you and everyone else. Smart phones, computers, routers, and servers are all made with and contain fat, gelatin, and bones. Him arguing with you is blatant hypocrisy.
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@Selaphane "For example, over 85% of soy and wheat grown is grown just to be fed to livestock which will be slaughtered for animal consumption." This isn't true. It's grown for industry and livestock get the waste product. Over 86% of animal feed is inedible to humans. "So not only does going plant-based free up all of the land animal agriculture is taking up, it frees up tons of land that crop agriculture takes up as well." Assertion based on a previous mistake. This is not true due to the above. It's weird how you think humans will stop using corn ethanol, soybean oil, palm oil, etc... simply because there are no more livestock. You can go check out the FAO if you're interested in getting the facts instead of just babbling your disingenuous lies.
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@Selaphane "Still doesn't detract from the statement that by eliminating animal agriculture it would free up tons of crop agriculture land as well." So you agree with me while deflecting....cool. "I never stated as such... Is that the real issue at hand?" And? I don't care what you actually say just like you don't care what I actually say. You just make things up and babble when you're in a corner. "We can go around this circle again if you'd like" The last time you ended up chasing your own tail and getting stuck in fantasy land. You're more than welcome to do it again. "but I promise you're not going to have an argument with substantiality." You're already claiming defeat....good. Thanks for another win and your concession.
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@Selaphane "Strawman argument once again. What is your argument, exactly?" Not a strawman. Just an observation based on what you did last time. "As internet history recalls, about half of your words were you just claiming victory over and over again without any substantiating claims." As realism recalls, you made false accusations then refused to prove them again me. "You're obviously an anti-vegan troll with no real objections." And more name calling. I expected this. I am not anti-vegan. I am anti-liar. "Which is fine I guess, but you're honestly just making a fool of yourself at this point." Nah. Objective facts > lies, hypocrisy, and false accusations. "Not sure why I'm even still bothering to be honest." Typical cultish behavior. You're forced to defend your religious doctrine.
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@Selaphane " do you have a rebuttal to my arguments or are you just going to continue making personal attacks?" So you don't want me to respond to your rudeness and name calling with rudeness? "This entire comment presented zero relevant information to the topic at hand." I pointed out your made up fan fiction. Now you're free to do a bit of research so you don't lie next time. You already agreed that I am right. All you do is deflect when you're in a corner. Maybe learn the facts instead of being such a liar.
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@Spencer-lq3yd "Does this dude know plants are also living beings?" Yes or no. There is no scientific proof they don't have their own type of sentience. They are still alien to us.
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@Spencer-lq3yd "Even if you pose that plants are sentient, more plants are farmed in the production of meat than in the production of plant food so by going vegan you would in turn be "harming" less plants." This is a lie or you're ignorant. Nearly 70% of crops are grown for human consumption. Try again. Stay away from the fan fiction and lies.
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@Spencer-lq3yd FAO worldwide crop statistics. The number changes from year to year but always remains a higher percentage for humans. Virtue signaling liars and hypocrites forget barley, tobacco, rubber, wheat, flax, ethanol, biodiesel, etc.. exist when they start lying about crops.
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@Spencer-lq3yd I am not your mommy. Why didn't you link proof of "more plants are farmed in the production of meat than in the production of plant food." FFS you whiney liars and your need for citations while you're actively spewing lies. It's crazy.
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@Spencer-lq3yd Bloomberg? LOL us land use? I said "World." Do you know the difference between the US and the world? "Twenty-six percent of the Planet’s ice-free land is used for livestock grazing and 33 percent of croplands are used for livestock feed production." http://www.fao.org/3/ar591e/ar591e.pdf
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@Spencer-lq3yd "1) You never specified for either a global stat or a stat for the USA." I will quote myself. "FAO worldwide crop statistics." Do you think worldwide is just the US? So you lied about me lying. You're a liar. "2)It's not like it's a Bloomberg opinion piece" Proven and debunked liars. "This study acknowledges that " crops grown for human consumption make up 67%of global crop production"" So you're making new things up to argue about? Scroll up for yourself. "more plants are farmed in the production of meat than in the production of plant food" You didn't say calories then. I guess you're backpedaling because you were proven wrong. Thanks for the win. You're not even vegan so what is with all of the backpedaling, lies, and babble?
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@Dan-dp8em "But are any of those reasons a moral justification" What is your moral justification for using products made with the same dead animals? I know you won't answer this, I simply want everyone here to see how big of a moral hypocrite you are. I predict you won't answer, you will go into denial, and/or you will use a doctrine to justify your needlessly use of animal products for entertainment.
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Ed claims to be vegan and claims to practice veganism despite numerous pieces of evidence that prove he is lying. He is literally a liar and a hypocrite pushing a lifestyle he doesn't even follow for money.
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@Selaphane "It's insane that you're still here commenting on this video lol." You mean the same video that you're here commenting on? "Does that make his message invalid?" The message he lies and practices hypocrisy about is made invalid by the fact he is a liar and a hypocrite. "Does that make equality wrong?" So you're saying Hitler was right all along? I accept your concession.
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@Selaphane "Do you disagree with that?" Your point doesn't make sense. The best answer I can give is Earthling Ed isn't right. His 'facts' are lies. So I don't disagree with a hypocrite that states facts that aren't real. Just don't conflate those types with Earthling Ed who is literally lying and making up facts just like you do. Earthling Ed literally lies and practices hypocrisy every day. Like you, he claims that we grow enough crops to feed the world if they weren't fed to animals which is a lie. Like you, he justifies his use of animal products while demanding others stop in the name of ethics and morals which is pure hypocrisy. And like you, he is blatantly hypocritical about it. "I didn't say Hitler was right." B-b-but....: "Hitler advocated for equality" Tell me more about reading comprehension when you are still evading the question I asked you over a month ago...lol Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment? I know you won't answer this directly and honestly, but I want others to see your moral hypocrisy. I predict you won't answer the question, you will go into denial, you will ask which animal products proving you don't do any research, and/or you will use a doctrine as a justification for using animal products needlessly for entertainment.
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@Selaphane Funny how you evade my question while expecting an answer to a new question yourself. Answer or concede.....again. Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment? I know you won't answer this directly and honestly, but I want others to see your moral hypocrisy. I predict you won't answer the question, you will go into denial, you will ask which animal products proving you don't do any research, and/or you will use a doctrine as a justification for using animal products needlessly for entertainment.
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@Selaphane Can't answer? I accept your concession based on the above statement. Thanks for the win.
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@Selaphane "Because I'm a hypocrite, obviously, according to your self-made definition of veganism which literally nobody on the planet can adhere to." Glad you admit to what you are. I use the definition created by the Vegan Society. So thanks for admitting that you're "self-made" definition is irrelevant. Thanks for another win and your concession.
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@Selaphane As I have already told you... Your point doesn't make sense. The best answer I can give is Earthling Ed isn't right. His 'facts' are lies. So I don't disagree with a hypocrite that states facts that aren't real. Just don't conflate those types with Earthling Ed who is literally lying and making up facts just like you do. Earthling Ed literally lies and practices hypocrisy every day. Like you, he claims that we grow enough crops to feed the world if they weren't fed to animals which is a lie. Like you, he justifies his use of animal products while demanding others stop in the name of ethics and morals which is pure hypocrisy. And like you, he is blatantly hypocritical about it. Since you continue to refuse to answer a simple question based on facts I have to assume you're just being a troll. I accept your concession based on the fact that I have answered your disingenuous question and you refuse to answer my very simple factual based question.
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@Selaphane You already conceded due to your lies. Prove your accusation or this is over. You can't so you lost. Maybe stop making false accusation you can't prove against your betters. Thanks for the win and your concession.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever Imagine being so triggered that I thoroughly proved you're a liar and a hypocrite that you feel like spamming almost every comment I am in while claiming I am blocked.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever Imagine being so triggered that I thoroughly proved you're a liar and a hypocrite that you feel like spamming almost every comment I am in while claiming I am blocked.
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@justroberto5052 It's not logic. It's just biased babble with lies and hypocrisy thrown in.
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@Selaphane A delusional wannabe vegan that lies and practices hypocrisy on a daily basis who just wants to increase their platform by speaking with a famous person doesn't deserve said platform. Earthling Ed is literally a liar and a hypocrite spreading hypocrisy and lies for money.
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@Selaphane Couldn't read? A delusional wannabe vegan that lies and practices hypocrisy on a daily basis who just wants to increase their platform by speaking with a famous person doesn't deserve said platform. Earthling Ed is literally a liar and a hypocrite spreading hypocrisy and lies for money.
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@Selaphane "what's stopping Joe from bringing him on?" Like I already said. A delusional wannabe vegan that lies and practices hypocrisy on a daily basis who just wants to increase their platform by speaking with a famous person doesn't deserve said platform. Earthling Ed is literally a liar and a hypocrite spreading hypocrisy and lies for money. "He's had Alex Jones on the show for Christ's sake." You did know Alex Jones is a personal friend of his right? You're comments just keep getting more desperate.
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@Selaphane "I don't see why Ed has to be the exception." You're well aware he doesn't like people who lie on purpose. "Ed would provide some great discourse." Lies and hypocrisy are not great discourse. He literally use animal products intentionally and needlessly while claiming to be against it for money. No point in bringing on a liar and a hypocrite that just wants money from the attention he would get.
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@Selaphane "You insinuating that Alex Jones doesn't lie or be hypocritical?" As I have stated above and you were unable to read.... You did know Alex Jones is a personal friend of his right? Thanks again for proving you're not even reading my comments. I appreciate the endless wins and your concessions.
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@Selaphane Why are you continuing to babble? I already accepted your concession.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever Imagine being so triggered that I thoroughly proved you're a liar and a hypocrite that you feel like spamming almost every comment I am in while claiming I am blocked.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever Imagine being so triggered that I thoroughly proved you're a liar and a hypocrite that you feel like spamming almost every comment I am in while claiming I am blocked.
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If she were to read your comment she would think you're annoying. You can't even spell simple words.
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@Anom990 That would be murder.
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@darcymr353 "If they want to spread an important message, why shouldn't they?" Their message is not important. If it was they would actually practice what they preach.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever Why do you use animal products needlessly while pushing a narrative you don't even live by? I know you won't answer this question directly and truthfully, I just want anyone reading to see your moral hypocrisy. I predict you will ignore the question, go into denial, ask me which animal products proving you don't do your own research, and/or use a doctrine as justification for using animal products needlessly for entertainment.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever Still replying to me after claiming you weren't going to. Thanks for continuing to prove you're a liar. Still can't answer a simple question either. I accept your concession.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever Still replying to me after claiming you weren't going to. Thanks for continuing to prove you're a liar. Still can't answer a simple question either. I accept your concession.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever Still replying to me after claiming you weren't going to. Thanks for continuing to prove you're a liar. Still can't answer a simple question either. I accept your concession.
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@johnwelling5015 He automatically conceded by replying to me after lying and claiming he wouldn't do it again and he has never answered a simple question.
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@johnwelling5015 He automatically conceded by replying to me after lying and claiming he wouldn't do it again and he has never answered a simple question.
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@johnwelling5015 He automatically conceded by replying to me after lying and claiming he wouldn't do it again and he has never answered a simple question.
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@johnwelling5015 I don't take people who can't refute me seriously.
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@johnwelling5015 Already answered. He automatically conceded by replying to me after lying and claiming he wouldn't do it again and he has never answered a simple question.
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@johnwelling5015 Already answered. He automatically conceded by replying to me after lying and claiming he wouldn't do it again and he has never answered a simple question.
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@johnwelling5015 "Must me." This doesn't make sense. It's funny you want some specific answer or reply from me while you babble nonsense. I accept your concession since you decided to start babbling instead of refuting me.
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@johnwelling5015 He automatically concedes due to failure to answer the question. He claims he is done typing about me and continues to type about me. He is a liar.
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@johnwelling5015 "Can't find that claim. " Because you jumped into an argument you know nothing about. This argument has been going on across several channels. He automatically concedes that I am right and have been all along. You're just uninformed about our past.
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@johnwelling5015 "Not anti-vegan are you?" Nope. Just anti-liar. "I'm pretty sure it's less biased to let a third party make that judgement call & not yourself." He uses animal products needlessly while claiming to be against it. You're free to try to prove me wrong by answering the question I asked him.
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@johnwelling5015 "Vegans will admit to using animal products whilst being against it" This is not true. They aren't vegan if they use animal products. "a lot of the products that they use were most likely bought prior to them becoming vegan." This does not cover the animal products they use needlessly for entertainment that are upgraded daily. "If you have an alternative, you are free to share that." The alternative to using animal products needlessly for entertainment is not using them needlessly for entertainment. "Vegans also claim" No they don't. They aren't vegan. "Veganism aims to reduce suffering, Earthling Ed and No Injustice Lasts Forever will acknowledge that eliminating suffering is simply a dream world, but reducing the suffering caused by humans can help." No one on youtube practices veganism. Youtube is an entertainment platform that is possible and practicable to avoid. "Using already dead animals you've acquired prior to veganism won't make them a hypocrite," Pushing veganism while literally using animal products needlessly for entertainment is hypocrisy by definition. hypocrisy - the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform. "As long as they don't pay for any more animal products, then they're adhering to a vegan lifestyle." Also untrue. Vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or use animal products. They use new and used animal products every time they open youtube needlessly for entertainment. "Some vegans will avoid certain vegan products that contain ingredients such as palm oil, the ingredient that harms the environment & animals whilst not being an animal product." Again...not vegan. "So of course I cannot prove you wrong, vegans as well as non vegans will use animal products, but vegans will attempt to reduce their environmental impact and harm towards other animals." I know you can't. They aren't vegan. They are non-vegan and lying about being vegan. "You have demonstrated a habit of claiming victory in a debate, even before the debate has actually ended." I win because I am literally and technically 100% correct. "And I believe that the user, No Injustice Lasts Forever, does indeed live by the narrative he pushes." He literally uses animal products cut from the same dead animals he tells others not to use. He is literally a hypocrite by definition and a liar in practice. He also claims livestock "are murdered" which isn't possible and he claims animals are "someone." "He just can't eliminate what he dislikes, that doesn't mean you can't fight for a reduction in what he dislikes." He can stop using what he claims to be against. He just chooses to continue doing it anyway. Anything else?
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@johnwelling5015 "You're not 100% correct. They are vegan if they refrain from purchasing it." Purchasing is not part of the definition. Vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or USE animal products. "Are you talking about upgrading the literal software?" Hardware and infrastructure. "What if a vegan uses" Not possible because a vegan doesn't eat or use animal products in the first place. "Yes, it's possible to avoid YouTube," Thanks for agreeing with me and proving me right. "Using those animal products that have already been purchased will not simultaneously cause suffering" Cool story. You're forgetting my previous comment about using new and always updating hardware. Youtube's servers are hardware and infrastructure updated all of the time. "Which "new" animal products are they using when they open YouTube?" Hardware and infrastructure upgrades happen world wide in Google Data Centers. Google Data Centers exclusively use Intel and AMD processors. Intel and AMD processors disclose their use of animal based stearic acid (fat) and animal based activated charcoal (bones) in their manufacturing process. "Ah yes, not vegan to you because in your book" Wrong again. Not vegan by the definition of "vegan" created by the Vegan Society. You know....the inventors of the word. "Yes, I cannot." I accept your concession. "Your word isn't enough." I am not using my word. I am using literal facts taken from the Vegan Society. "He's telling others not to purchase any more dead animals if possible, that's what he is hinting at." So now you get to decide what he says by what he isn't saying.....lol "And sure, you may argue semantics" Irrefutable facts* Thanks for confirming I have been right all alone. He is a literal liar and hypocrite who uses animal products needlessly while pretending to be against it. You failed at white knighting him. I accept your concession as well.
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@johnwelling5015 So nothing to refute the facts just like him. Thanks for proving you can't refute me either.
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@johnwelling5015 So nothing to refute the facts just like him. Thanks for proving you can't refute me either.
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@johnwelling5015 You still haven't refute me. Using your imagination and fan fiction for justifications and excuses is not a refutation. You fail at using facts. I win.
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@johnwelling5015 And again nothing to refute me. Thanks for the ongoing win.
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@johnwelling5015 Still babbling after losing? I already proved you wrong and you agreed with most of what I said. He isn't vegan and doesn't practice veganism. You can't refute that. You lose.
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@johnwelling5015 Still no refutation. I continue to win and accept your concession.
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@johnwelling5015 All you're doing is typing around the facts, using fan, fiction, and using your imagination. I am using the same definitions that the people claiming to be vegan use to prove them liars and hypocrites. Nothing you have said refutes me.
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@johnwelling5015 I am just responding to notifications. Thanks for continuing to prove you can't refute me.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever Still commenting about me after claiming you were done with me? I guess you just can't stop lying. Why do you use animal products needlessly while pushing a narrative you don't even live by? I know you won't answer this question directly and truthfully, I just want anyone reading to see your moral hypocrisy. I predict you will ignore the question, go into denial, ask me which animal products proving you don't do your own research, and/or use a doctrine as justification for using animal products needlessly for entertainment.
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@johnwelling5015 Thanks for proving yourself ignorant. "The definition from "the Vegan Society" you claim to have used is not correct." The definition of "vegan" that I use was made by the Vegan Society. You lied. Vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or use animal products. This is not a simplified definition. This is THE definition of "vegan." You're confusing the definition of "vegan" with the definition of "veganism" which are two different words with two different definitions. A vegan is a person who does not eat or use animal products. Veganism is a doctrine about a lifestyle. "Now, by definition, vegans can be vegan as long as they make an effort to exclude all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to animals for food, clothing or any other purpose. *As far as is possible and practicable*, since they acknowledge it's impossible to be 100%." You're lying again. You're making up new definitions to fit a narrative that doesn't exist. "Refute that with the appropriate source." Easy...already done. "You also claim you aren't anti-vegan, yet you seem to target multiple vegans on some vegan channels, notably Joey Carbstrong." You're lying again. They aren't vegan. They use animal products. They don't even practice veganism because they use animal products that are possible and practicable to avoid. So again, I am anti-liar and anti-hypocrite. I have no problem with anyone who chooses to not eat or use animal products. If they are making comments online then they are using animal products. "How can you convince me now that you indeed are not anti-vegan, or simply an anti-liar biased towards vegans?" By using actual facts instead of your lies, fan fiction, and ignorance. I win again and continue to accept your concession due to your lies, inability to refute me, and constant use of fan fiction instead of facts.
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@johnwelling5015 "Fair play, but two of which can be adopted at the same time, therefore when a vegan adopts the veganism lifestyle, they are expected to exclude as far as possible, all suffering that they cause." Youtube is an entertainment platform, made with animal products, and possible and practicable to avoid. Checkmate. "That's not a new definition." You're lying again. You gave the word "vegan" a new definition by giving it the definition of "veganism." You're a liar. "Can't see any source." You're lying. You even linked the source. It doesn't say anywhere in the source you linked that "veganism" has magically become the definition of vegan. "Who seems to target vegans on a vegan channel." Impossible to target vegans on youtube since none exist because youtube is made with animal products that are possible and practicable to avoid. I win again and continue to accept your unlimited concession due to your lies and inability to refute me with facts.
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@johnwelling5015 So all you have is a bunch of denial. Nothing I have said has been refuted. You just try to reword what I say. For example. Youtube is an entertainment platform. This is an absolute fact and irrefutable. Even the creators of youtube say it is an entertainment platform. You then say: "YouTube has entertainment but is not exclusively for entertainment." Youtube is possible and practicable to avoid. It is not a necessity of life. Millions on people all over the world survive without it. It is made with animal products and is avoidable. You're just being disingenuous. Thanks for the win and your concession. You're just being contrarian.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever "You need better justification tham that to harm another being." tham? LOL What is your justification for using products made with the same dead animals. I dare you to answer truthfully for once. You won't.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever "Since you're so concerned with soy and 3/4 of soy gets fed to the animals," You're being disingenuous. The soy fed to animals is byproducts from industry and inedible to humans. "So you bring up soy and then let everyone know you eat animals that consume the most soy." Again you're dismissing facts in favor of your lies. You're just a liar and a hypocrite pushing propaganda.
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@kaijenkin3631 You should look into it more. The crops aren't fed directly to animals. The animals get the byproducts of industry. In the case of soy, the animals get the plants directly which are inedible to humans and the beans they get after soybean oil production.
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@kaijenkin3631 " In the case of soy they are processed into meal or patties that are fed to animals." After the soybean oil is removed and with the husks included which are inedible to humans. Just more made up fan fiction. Anything else?
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@kaijenkin3631 "Yes, after the oil is removed." Thanks for agreeing that I was right all along.
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@kaijenkin3631 You're still babbling after being proven wrong....thanks for the win.
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@kaijenkin3631 You already agreed with me. "Yes, after the oil is removed."
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@kaijenkin3631 "Yes" Exactly. Thanks for the win and your concession.
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@kaijenkin3631 You must be one of those who think that humans would stop using soybean oil, ethanol, almond, and other products of industry if livestock feed were magically no longer needed. You're not going to change the facts with hopes, beliefs, lies, and propaganda.
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@kaijenkin3631 "No, it wouldn't disappear," Thanks for proving your own argument wrong. "but if it was no longer a byproduct the price would increase and more environmentally friendly alternatives would be used instead." B-b-but this is fan fiction. " You have to acknowledge that soybean production is overwhelming driven by demand for livestock feed." No I don't because that isn't true. "So it follows" That you made something up and made a conclusion on your imagination. Thanks for the win and your concession. You're just going to get canned replies from this point forward.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever You're lying again. I am not anti-vegan. I am anti-liar. Just my mere comment makes you reply about me even after claiming you're done with me.
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@Dan-dp8em " -Exactly, just be on the safe side and not eat anyone with a mind" "Anyone" is a word that refers to humans. You're using the appeal to emotion logical fallacy. You use animal products just like everyone else. Why do you use animal products needlessly while pretending to be against it? I know you won't answer this, I simply want everyone here to see how big of a moral hypocrite you are. I predict you won't answer, you will go into denial, and/or you will use a doctrine to justify your needlessly use of animal products for entertainment.
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@Dan-dp8em Pasting again since you missed it. " -Exactly, just be on the safe side and not eat anyone with a mind" "Anyone" is a word that refers to humans. You're using the appeal to emotion logical fallacy. You use animal products just like everyone else. Why do you use animal products needlessly while pretending to be against it? I know you won't answer this, I simply want everyone here to see how big of a moral hypocrite you are. I predict you won't answer, you will go into denial, and/or you will use a doctrine to justify your needlessly use of animal products for entertainment.
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@Dan-dp8em And you haven't refuted me yet.
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@Dan-dp8em Because like you, I like convenience and entertainment. Define what you mean by pleasure... Why do you do it while claiming to be against it?
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@Dan-dp8em You're lying again. Youtube's servers are made with animal products and is an entertainment company. Every time you reply you are using animal products for entertainment. I have already explained this to you. Your concession is accepted based on the fact you lied....again.
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@Dan-dp8em "Can I change that?" Yes, you can stop making comments on youtube's servers that are made with animal products. Youtube is an entertainment company and using it proves you use animal products for entertainment. "Can you stop eating animal corpses?" Have proof that I eat animal corpses? Now you're making up my diet because you're mad that I called you out for lying and your hypocrisy? Thanks again for the win and your concession.
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It's his brand. He makes a lot of money from people that also like to virtue signal, lie, and practice hypocrisy.
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@lukeh8056 You're not vegan. They obviously weren't referring to you. finn said "vegans" not "people pretending to be vegan."
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever Then go be vegan instead of being here and using animal products needlessly for entertainment. Practice what you preach... LOL Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment?
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while claiming to be against it? I know you won't answer this simple question. I just want others to see you're unwilling to practice what you preach.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever You accused me of eating animal products so the burden of proof is on you. I accept your concession.
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He does that all while lying about being vegan so he can get paid by other people pretending to be vegan.
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"Is it crazy that I think they are both extraordinarily ethical in their approach to food?" Yes. The hunter is open and honest. The guy pretending to be vegan is a liar and hypocrite that virtue signal about being vegan for money. "Like... We need both kinds here." Nah. We can get by without the virtue signaling liars and hypocrite.
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"humans are biologically herbivore." Yay, more fan fiction. Humans are scientifically omnivore. Fructivore is just a subclass of omnivore. ". a bunch of hunters w no weapons would be miserable" So you have never heard of traps? Get educated....wow.
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@-0__________________________0- Which is why I refute their inane babble....
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@Eclipse-bn2ng Sure it does. Besides, Ed Winters intentionally and needlessly uses animal products for convenience and entertainment.
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@Eclipse-bn2ng "eating a certain diet doesn’t make you any less of an earthling. Earthling is a joke word not attributed to diet at all." I didn't even use that word. Are you okay? Having some focus problems? "someone’s a bit thick." Yep, it's you. You're seeing things that never happened.
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@Eclipse-bn2ng "was responding to orange profile picture man. You are boring." Yet it says @Janie Swanson. No wonder you don't make any sense. You can't read...
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@Eclipse-bn2ng Glad you admit you were in error.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever Neither are you. You use animal products intentionally and needlessly cut from the same dead animals that normal people use. Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while claiming you're against animal abuse? I know you won't answer this directly and honestly, but I want others to see your moral hypocrisy. I predict you won't answer the question, you will go into denial, you will ask which animal products proving you don't do any research, and/or you will use a doctrine as a justification for using animal products needlessly for entertainment. Imagine being so triggered that I thoroughly proved you're a liar and a hypocrite that you feel like spamming almost every comment I am in while claiming I am blocked.
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Ed uses animal products from the same animals that everyone else uses. He isn't the beacon of truth you pretend he is.
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@IPandaa99 There is more to veganism than diet. If you were actually practicing veganism you wouldn't like it at all. The fact that you defend veganism while blatantly using animal products proves that it's a more annoying cult than doctrine that can be practiced.
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@IPandaa99 Read the top comment. He clearly said veganism and you're going on about a diet.
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@IPandaa99 "He said that veganism "sells itself on ethically saving animals lives at the expense of peoples health and longevity"." Yep "veganism" not "diet." "The only thing that was wrong about his statement was that it is at the expense of peoples health and longevity." Actually it was the "veganism" part. "That is why I was talking about the diet side of veganism." Veganism doesn't have a diet side. Veganism is a doctrine about reducing your use of animal products when possible and practicable. "I don't understand why you would instantly assume that I "blatantly use animal products" outside of my diet." It's not an assumption. It is objective fact.
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@IPandaa99 I never said you claimed that. I simply stated that it is more than a diet. Glad you agree with the rest of my comment since you failed to refute it.
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Explain that to deer then because they reproduce rapidly and are a blight on the midwest when their numbers aren't culled.
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@lautaroka5847 "A fell as much as a human and neither want to die." This doesn't make sense? Do you have an extra chromosome? "A cow is smarter than a one yeard old." What does yeard mean? Are you stupid on purpose or is it your natural state? You use products intentionally and needlessly made from the same cows that normal people eat. Congrats you're just as bad as everyone else.
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@lukeh8056 "we don't need to all animals to survive" Ummm, okay? I guess lying and spouting babble is your thing.
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@darcymr353 I think your comment is extremely uneducated. He lost because of his hypocrisy. He literally uses animal products intentionally and needlessly that are possible and practicable to avoid.
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@mindmoths Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while pretending to be against it? Does it feel good making all of those animals suffer?
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever You're just name calling because you're unable to refute me. Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while claiming to be against it? I know you won't answer this simple question. I just want others to see you're unwilling to practice what you preach.
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@maxinev.1841 You use animal products. You're free to play pretend all you like.
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@Deathhead68 "But you factually don't need animal products to survive." And yet we all use them anyway because convenience and entertainment are great.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever If "spot on" means blatant hypocrisy then sure....
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@Dan-dp8em "Plants aren't conscious mate." This is still scientifically debated. "What's worse: dog abuse or mowing your lawn?" Not comparable. What's worse: Killing an animal for a product you want or killing an animal for a products you want? You use products made with the same dead animals that normal people use. Why do you advertise your hypocrisy all over youtube?
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever "Think you're forgetting someone in your decision. 👍🏻 Where's the freedom for the animals?" Livestock aren't a someone. They are not people. Why do you use animal products for entertainment while whining about peoples right to eat what they want? I know you won't answer this question directly and truthfully, I just want anyone reading to see your moral hypocrisy. I predict you will ignore the question, go into denial, ask me which animal products proving you don't do your own research, and/or use a doctrine as justification for using animal products needlessly for entertainment. I can answer the same question in 10 words or less. I use animal products for entertainment because I want to.
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@Deathhead68 I can cut and paste my reply and then tell you to get parents to help you read it or you can be more specific in your question.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever "Pay the anti-vegan no heed. She won't even admit to eating animal products." I am not anti-vegan. I am anti-liar. Why would I admit to something that isn't true that you have accused me of over 100 times that you refuse to prove? Prove I eat animal products or continue to admit you're a liar.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever You claim I am blocked then how could I possibly reply on one of your videos? Oh right....you're just a liar.
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@futuregmchess1561 He isn't. He literally uses animal products needlessly for entertainment. Direct contradiction.
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@futuregmchess1561 He literally has a channel pushing veganism... Try again. Try honesty.
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@futuregmchess1561 I never said he did... He lies and practices hypocrisy. That isn't something a decent person does.
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@liberationtoday8968 Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while claiming to be vegan? Just a simple question. It's funny that you're reduced to name calling and insults because a simple question has you stumped.
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@liberationtoday8968 Thanks for admitting you're appealing to futility and using the tu quoque fallacy by avoiding a simple fact based question. I accept your concession. Thanks for the win.
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@liberationtoday8968 Just more name calling? I win again.
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@deathbyreligion1916 He has evaded a simple question for close to a year and only insults and name calls. I simply ask why the person uses animal products needlessly for entertainment and it's always the same things. Denial, justifications, excuses, etc... They never just own up to it.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while claiming to be against it? I know you won't answer this simple question. I just want others to see you're unwilling to practice what you preach.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever You accused me of eating animal products so the burden of proof is on you. I accept your concession.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever Making stuff up isn't objective truth. He uses animal products. Objective truth. He pretends to be against using animal products. Another objective truth. You don't really care about objective truth. People pretending to be vegan derive more worth from the claim than the actual practice while refusing to answer simple questions. For example. Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while pretending to be against it?
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever So you're saying "I don't care about the suffering I cause. I only care about my entertainment." by your own logic. Every time you comment you use animal products needlessly for entertainment. Why do you do that?
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Inedible to humans. The majority of animal feed is inedible to humans. So you're argument is pointless.
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@leb6899 " when it’s a pure plant, it’s edible to humans." 85% of inedible to humans livestock feed are things like nut shells, soybean leaves, corn husks, etc... 12% of inedible to humans livestock feed was edible until it was processed by industry to make things like ethanol, biodiesel, soybean oil, etc... The remaining 1%-3% is edible to human and is fed to livestock due to age, overstock, mold, etc... "When it’s turned into animal feed, we don’t want to eat it cuz we’re a bit picky." The human body can't break down all of the nutrients in livestock feed. "But you should know that cheetos were made of excess animal feed when they first came out, so yes, it still is edible to humans." Anecdotal and not relevant. Anything else?
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever You will continue. You use animal products needlessly for entertainment every time you comment.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever "Always ironic since you, a non-vegan, force your lifestyle onto the animal victims by forcing them into slaughterhouses against their will." You use animal products just like everyone else here. You're just projecting your guilt on normal people. "Who's the real pushy one here?" The virtue signaling hypocritical people pretending to be vegan trying to force other humans to change their diets while they use animal products cut from the same dead animals. Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while claiming you're against animal abuse? I know you won't answer this directly and honestly, but I want others to see your moral hypocrisy. I predict you won't answer the question, you will go into denial, you will ask which animal products proving you don't do any research, and/or you will use a doctrine as a justification for using animal products needlessly for entertainment.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever Imagine being so triggered that I thoroughly proved you're a liar and a hypocrite that you feel like spamming almost every comment I am in while claiming I am blocked.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever "If the injustice at hand was human trafficking or rape, you would sound beyond absurd." Livestock aren't human. You're appealing to emotions. You use animal products cut from the same dead animals that normal people use. Maybe you should stop being such a hypocrite.
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@Fek Lar "Here's a list of vegans more masculine than you? The entire list doesn't contain a vegan. You lied.
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@Fek Lar None of them are. They all use animal products. You're lying.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever He ran away after he was debunked. You claim I am blocked while searching for comments I am in so you can reply. I beat you too.
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He isn't vegan either. He uses animal products intentionally and needlessly for entertainment. He is just another virtue signaling liar and hypocrite pretending to be vegan for money.
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@Anom990 "Do you think vegans eat grass?" No. I do think people claiming to be vegan eat grass. Ever hear of wheat grass? "LMFO how uneducated are you." Were you looking in a mirror when you typed this? Why do you use animal products needlessly while acting like you're against it? I know you won't answer this directly and honestly, I just want others to see your moral hypocrisy. I predict you will ignore the question, you will go into denial, and/or you will use a doctrine to justify your needless use of animal products for entertainment.
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A week later and you're still hunting for answers? Good to know that you're stumped.
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@Selaphane " I bet you wouldn't say that about (insert appeals to emotion here)" Go eat some water hemlock and nightshade Mr. Plant Eater.
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@Selaphane "Where is the emotion appeal in that statement?" Here. "I bet you wouldn't say that about cannibals, dog eaters, cat eaters, dolphin eaters, whale eaters, etc..." Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while pretending to be vegan? I know you won't answer this directly and honestly, but I want others to see your moral hypocrisy. I predict you won't answer the question, you will go into denial, you will ask which animal products proving you don't do any research, and/or you will use a doctrine as a justification for using animal products needlessly for entertainment.
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@Selaphane You're trying to make people feel guilty for what they eat by conflating it with eating humans and pets. Answer or concede. Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while pretending to be vegan? I know you won't answer this directly and honestly, but I want others to see your moral hypocrisy. I predict you won't answer the question, you will go into denial, you will ask which animal products proving you don't do any research, and/or you will use a doctrine as a justification for using animal products needlessly for entertainment.
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@Selaphane Can't answer the simple question? I accept your concession.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever Imagine being so triggered that I thoroughly proved you're a liar and a hypocrite that you feel like spamming almost every comment I am in while claiming I am blocked.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever Imagine being so triggered that I thoroughly proved you're a liar and a hypocrite that you feel like spamming almost every comment I am in while claiming I am blocked.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever Go enjoy a plate of water hemlock and let us know how that works out for you.
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@John Bigg "There's no reason to eat animals." You use animal products cut from their dead bodies while claiming there is no reason to eat them. Why is it okay for you to use them while telling me there is no reason to eat them?
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while claiming to be against it? I know you won't answer this simple question. I just want others to see you're unwilling to practice what you preach.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever You accused me of eating animal products so the burden of proof is on you. I accept your concession.
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@lukeh8056 You're not vegan. You just pretend like Ed.
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@lukeh8056 You're not vegan so the question doesn't apply to you.
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@lautaroka5847 Yes there is moron. Those bees are trucked from all over the country. The bee keepers can tell by weight roughly how many they lose in the process.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever You didn't answer the question dummy. Why do you use animal products needlessly while pushing a narrative you don't even live by? I know you won't answer this question directly and truthfully, I just want anyone reading to see your moral hypocrisy. I predict you will ignore the question, go into denial, ask me which animal products proving you don't do your own research, and/or use a doctrine as justification for using animal products needlessly for entertainment.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while claiming to be against it? I know you won't answer this simple question. I just want others to see you're unwilling to practice what you preach.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever You accused me of eating animal products so the burden of proof is on you. I accept your concession.
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@gemma_tan Glad you agree with me.
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@gemma_tan 2 replies... Thought you didn't care. Guess you do. Anything else?
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@gemma_tan There was no argument. I was right in the beginning and you claimed you didn't care....even though you have replied several times proving you do in fact care. Anything else?
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@gemma_tan It seems like you're projecting. Do you need friends? Is that why you're replying to me while claiming not to care?
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@gemma_tan So nothing else? Still think it's rude to state facts? LOL
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@StarSpangledBanning Having a professional debate while lying and practicing hypocrisy is not professional.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever I eat what I want. Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while pretending like you're against it?
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@StarSpangledBanning I never claimed to be vegan or to practice veganism. He made the claim and he doesn't practice what he preaches. Not very professional. Anything else?
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@StarSpangledBanning There is no reason to stop using the same argument since no one can refute it. He uses animal products while pretending to be against using animal products. He automatically loses.
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@StarSpangledBanning He uses animal products that are possible and practicable to avoid which is contradictory to the definition of veganism. Try again.
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@StarSpangledBanning It's on the Vegan Society web page. Good to see you can't refute me so you're pushing all of these extra steps in your denial. Thanks for the win. I accept your concession.
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@StarSpangledBanning I already did...read my comments. "He uses animal products that are possible and practicable to avoid which is contradictory to the definition of veganism." YT is an entertainment platform and is possible and practicable to avoid. He literally uses animal products needlessly for entertainment that are "POSSIBLE AND PRACTICABLE" to avoid. I accepted your concession because you're not refuting me and instead are ignoring my comments.
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@StarSpangledBanning "Try quoting THE ENTIRE definition" Not sure why you want me to quote a definition so bad that you could easily look up... - Uses animal products that are "possible and practicable" to avoid. Check - Does not seek to exclude all forms of exploitation. Check - Does not seek to exclude all forms of cruelty. Check - "or any other purpose." Doesn't do that either. I have not failed to prove that. YT is an entertainment platform and is possible and practicable to avoid. He uses it needlessly for entertainment as it is literally an entertainment platform and easily avoidable. You even confirmed it. "Yes, YouTube is easy to avoid" Thanks for confirming Ed uses animal products intentionally and needlessly that are possible and practicable to avoid. You have verified my original statement. I accept your concession since you can't refute me and have now confirmed that I am right about Ed.
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@StarSpangledBanning "I want you to quote the entire definition" I use the Vegan Society's Definition on their web page as a source. Look it up. "1. Yes, some "products" he uses that you mentioned, such as YouTube, are easy to avoid" And you agreed with me again. Enough said. He does in fact not practice what he preaches. I accept this as your final concession. Thanks for the win.
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@StarSpangledBanning "Already did." Then you know I am right. "1. Nothing there brands Ed a hypcrote." I know. I never said he was a "hypcrote." Define "hypcrote." "2. It's a website run by vegans" Oxymoron... Vegans don't eat or use animal products. "YouTube is a platform run by technology that one can avoid" That Ed uses which is possible and practicable to avoid made with animal products. Thanks for agreeing with me again. "1. Didn't concede. Please prove otherwise." You're concession is automatic since you reply with nonsense words, can't refute me, and have even agreed with me. "2. According to what gives you this "win"?" The fact that I am still not refuted.
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@StarSpangledBanning "Which also involves the practice of abstaining," Not according to the official definition of "vegan." - a person who does not eat or use animal products. No wiggle room. Nice try though by using a cherry picked definition that is unofficial. "Exactly! If Ed didn't use YouTube" Then he would actually be practicing veganism. "you'd still attack him for using unavoidable technology." I don't attack people that I can't see practicing hypocrisy. For instance I don't attack the Amish for using cell phones on youtube. Hard to reply to someone like that when they actually practice what they preach. "is due to the fact that you're playing hardball" Facts are hardball....lol So let's get this straight. You're justifying his needless and intentional uses of animal products while maintaining that he is practicing veganism. Congrats...that means everyone on the planet practices veganism according to your logic. "I need some so it's okay to use any I want for convenience and entertainment." That's no different than ordering a meat lovers pizza and chicken wings while claiming to practice veganism. "But I need a phone and I used the app to order." "You use a source from the very people blah blah..." Yep. They are the official inventors of the words. It isn't my problem they don't practice what they preach. I guess they should have been more vague. So again, nothing to refute me and just more justifications for hypocrisy. Try again without using denial and justifications. Be crazy, try facts.
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@StarSpangledBanning Thanks for proving you can't refute me. Vegan and veganism are two different words with two different definitions. I use the official definition of each created by the same Society. "I'm justifying" Exactly. "Reduction with the intent of causing less harm" Most people already do this. So again you're claiming everyone practices veganism. "putting in the best effort possible" He doesn't. "is considered Vegan." Sure if you make up a new definition. -a person who does not eat or use animal products. This is the actual official definition. Not going to bother with the rest of your made up nonsense. Thanks for the win. I accept your ongoing concession since you continue to justify needless use of animal products.
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@StarSpangledBanning Justifications for hypocrisy are not refutations. Try again.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while claiming to be against it? I know you won't answer this simple question. I just want others to see you're unwilling to practice what you preach.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever You accused me of eating animal products so the burden of proof is on you. I accept your concession.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever He uses animal products while lying about being vegan and pushes veganism while not practicing it himself proving his hypocrisy.
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@lautaroka5847 "There's no B12 deficiency in vegans per se except when they, for some (probably stupid) reason don't supplement it." Because supplements are natural? Do your lab created supplements (often created in a lab) grow in the foliage? No?
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@lukeh8056 " How do you morally justify causing unnecessary death and suffering?" Well you use animal products harvested from the same animals that die for food so answer that yourself instead of being a pompous hypocrite.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever You use animal products in phones/computers just like everyone else that isn't vegan. What's your excuse for telling others to do what you're unwilling to do yourself?
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever You're admitting to being anti-vegan and triggered? It's about time.
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@Wintermight Go check out the MSDS site and look up the individual animal products used in their manufacture. Example: Intel and AMD processors used in Youtube's servers list animal based stearic acid (fat) and animal based activated charcoal (bones) as ingredients used in the manufacturing process.
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@Wintermight So you didn't go to the MSDS site or call the manufacturers for the codes? I have to assume that you refuse to do the basic research yourself and are just trolling.
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@Fek Lar And none of it is because of meat. One of the top killers of the Hazda people is malaria.... You should look deeper than the surface if you're going to try to fact check someone.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever "Still waiting for an argument rather than this middle school act..." None of the people that push being vegan or veganism actually practice what they preach. Let's use you as an example. You're literally using animal products cut from the same dead animals needlessly for entertainment that you're whining about just to comment. Smart phones, computers, routers, and servers are made with fat, gelatin, and bones. Youtube's servers are in Google data centers who boast Intel and AMD processors. Intel and AMD have both listed animal based stearic acid and bone char are used in the processing of silicon on the MSDS. Simply making a comment proves you aren't against animal abuse. Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while claiming you're against animal abuse? I know you won't answer this directly and honestly, but I want others to see your moral hypocrisy. I predict you won't answer the question, you will go into denial, you will ask which animal products proving you don't do any research, and/or you will use a doctrine as a justification for using animal products needlessly for entertainment.
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@patrickdixon7202 He is a liar and a hypocrite trying to impose his will on others. About 7 months ago he switched to a plant based diet and decided to virtue signal all over youtube.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever So you agree with the fact that you use animal products and you're a liar and a hypocrite.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever It hasn't been proven that plants "don't feel pain." All we know is that plants are different. Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while claiming you're against animal abuse? I know you won't answer this directly and honestly, but I want others to see your moral hypocrisy. I predict you won't answer the question, you will go into denial, you will ask which animal products proving you don't do any research, and/or you will use a doctrine as a justification for using animal products needlessly for entertainment.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever It hasn't been proven that plants "don't feel pain." All we know is that plants are different. Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while claiming you're against animal abuse? I know you won't answer this directly and honestly, but I want others to see your moral hypocrisy. I predict you won't answer the question, you will go into denial, you will ask which animal products proving you don't do any research, and/or you will use a doctrine as a justification for using animal products needlessly for entertainment.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever Imagine being so triggered that I thoroughly proved you're a liar and a hypocrite that you feel like spamming almost every comment I am in while claiming I am blocked.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever You use animal products while lying about being vegan and push veganism while not practicing it yourself proving your hypocrisy.
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@atti_odyssey You think youtube's servers which are for entertainment are required for life? LOL
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever Oh look you replied to me again after claiming you were done replying to me. By your own logic you admit to eating animal products for taste.
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@atti_odyssey "But, it will be vegan when animals are stop being abused." Fan fiction and wishful thinking. This is an opinion and doesn't refute me. "Plus, veganism is about trying to reduce suffering, not end it, because that’s impossible." It is possible and practicable to avoid making comments on youtube's servers which are made for entertainment and are not required for survival. No one on youtube is practicing veganism.
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@atti_odyssey Thanks for proving you can't refute me. I accept your concession.
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@atti_odyssey "If animal weren’t abused for meat and diary, it would be a waste of money to kill the animals just for glue, fat, etc." Slaughterhouses exist that don't even keep the meat for human consumption. You're wrong. "Plus, I bought this stuff before I went vegan." You never went vegan. You continue to use animal products. Are you claiming to own youtube's servers which are also made with and contain animal products? LOL You literally use animal products intentionally and needlessly for entertainment. You're not vegan. I accepted your concession. Why are you still babbling and making things up?
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@atti_odyssey "it’s dumb to keep responding." And yet you responded again without anything to refute me. As expected you decide to just make things up instead of trying to refute me. I accept your ongoing concession.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever Oh look you replied about me again after claiming you were done replying to or about me me.
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@atti_odyssey "it’s dumb to keep responding." And yet you responded again without anything to refute me. "what do you eat?" Whatever I want. The specifics are my business. He begs people them to ask what I eat because he made a false accusation that I eat livestock. Instead of proving his accusations he just pretends to ignore me now. He claims he is done replying to me but he continues to do so.
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@atti_odyssey "it’s dumb to keep responding." And yet you responded again without anything to refute me. I continue to accept your concession.
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@atti_odyssey "eep copy and pasting" eep? Ask your parents to help you. "it helps the algorithm" That applies to new comments, not replies to comments. "so more people know about Ed!" And more people will find out he is a liar and a hypocrite.
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@atti_odyssey "it’s dumb to keep responding." And yet you responded again without anything to refute me. I continue to accept your concession.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever "The change starts with you and me." Why are you pushing for others to do what you're unwilling to do? You literally use animal products intentionally and needlessly for entertainment. Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while claiming you're against animal abuse? I know you won't answer this directly and honestly, but I want others to see your moral hypocrisy. I predict you won't answer the question, you will go into denial, you will ask which animal products proving you don't do any research, and/or you will use a doctrine as a justification for using animal products needlessly for entertainment.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever And another comment proving you're triggered.
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She didn't make any ridiculous "arguements." More animals are lost during crop production. You think pesticide is food? 1 insect = 1 animal Ed uses animal products needlessly for entertainment. He isn't exactly a beacon of truth.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever No one asked me a question here. I guess you're seeing things. Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while pretending to be against it? Inb4 you ask me about what I eat without first proving your accusation that I eat animal products.
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@lautaroka5847 The healthiest diet currently on the planet is considered to be the Mediterranean diet.
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@lukeh8056 Way to go. You proved his opinion right. He thinks you're mental and you go ahead and type about chopping a puppy in half.
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@vikramk6212 You didn't finish your sentence with punctuation you simpleton.
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@Fek Lar Name one person on the planet who is vegan that I can look up. If you can't then you should stop lying about people being vegan.
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@justroberto5052 Being underweight can do that.
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@starstenaal527 "look up the definition of veganism" Okay. "Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose" You see dippy, veganism is a doctrine about a way of living. It isn't the definition of a person. He calls himself vegan. A vegan is a person who does not eat or use animal products according to the definition. I will give you the definition of "vegan" since you're oblivious. Vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or use animal products. Earthling Ed uses animal products that are possible and practicable to avoid. He isn't vegan and he doesn't practice veganism. You're welcome for the free lesson. Maybe ask your mommy for help next time. You conflated two different definitions and got them both wrong. Anything else?
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@starstenaal527 So you really can't refute me? "A vegan person obviously practices veganism." Wrong again dippy. Vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or use animal products. This is a definition for a person created by the Vegan Society. "Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose" This is the definition of the doctrine of veganism created by the Vegan Society. You're conflating two different definition to arrive at a made up conclusion that only exists in fan fiction. "Modern technology is essential for our lives. You simply cannot avoid it." So you couldn't avoid replying to me? What would have happened if you didn't reply to me? Would you explode? Would you starve? Please explain how using youtube's routers and servers to reply to me saved your life. "The idea idea behind veganism is essentially to minimize suffering wherever it is possible and not necessarily." idea idea huh? Why do you keep lying? The inventor of veganism even disagrees with you. "The word veganism shall mean the doctrine that man should live without exploiting animals.” - Leslie Cross founder member of the Vegan Society and author of "Veganism Defined." Care to try again? Perhaps you can reply next time without using fan fiction and lies? Maybe you can ask your parents for help.
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@starstenaal527 Two replies? Unable to keep your thoughts together on your diet? "I used Oxford Languages because it is generally speaking more accepted by the public." Good. So do I. "You cannot reduce our entire dependency on modern technology to writing Youtube comments." I didn't. You did. Are you saying that since you need modern technology for one thing then it's okay to use the animal products of the same animals for anything? Since you need a smart phone for work it's okay to each cheeseburgers and still claim you follow veganism? LOL "If the facts were on your side, you wouldn't have to use such minor insults." The facts are on my side. You even agree with me. "The inventor of veganism?" So you didn't know about Leslie Cross? You should do a bit of reading before you fall deeper into delusion. "this is my own personal interpretation of the definition." So you admit to using delusion and fan fiction. "So you are saying that a subjective interpretation can be false or true?" No I am saying there are official definitions of the words you're lying and making things up about. Thanks again for the win.
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@starstenaal527 "No you used the definition of the vegan society and not Oxford Languages." I placed a link to the Oxford Reference in your discussion page. Now you can come back and apologize for making things up again. "I did not reduce our entire dependency on modern technology on writing youtube comments. Show proof." Okay. "You cannot reduce our entire dependency on modern technology to writing Youtube comments." You lied again. "I'm not making anything up." Yes you are. "The "inventor" gave it the name." And the definition. "The word veganism shall mean the doctrine that man should live without exploiting animals.” - Leslie Cross author of "Veganism Defined." "The practice of veganism how we know it was a thing long before this person decided to give it a name." The word and definition didn't exist until he came up with it and defined it. "I did never agree with you." Is English a problem for you? "You made up that I admitted something." You're admission is in what you're not saying. Since you can't refute me then you are obviously admitting to being wrong. "You sound like a conspiracy theorist to me." You can hear me? That seems like delusion. Odd how you want me to show proof while you have not done anything of the sort. Must be your cognitive dissonance. Anything else?
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@starstenaal527 "Where does it say that I reduce our entire dependency on modern technology on writing youtube comments?!" Here it is again for the reading impaired. "You cannot reduce our entire dependency on modern technology to writing Youtube comments." Notice the question mark? You're the only one of the two of us that referenced that. "You have some problem with logic I see." If was your logic since you asked the question. I didn't say anything like that and you asked that question out of nowhere. "Again showed no proof where I made something up." But, I did. Again, you have shown no proof where I am wrong. "At this point it is getting ridiculous." Yes, you are ridiculous. "The word veganism was not a thing until it got invented, the practice behind it was long before." Show proof or admit to making it up. "This is like saying that earth did not exist until we invented the word "earth" for it." This is a logical fallacy. Red herring. You're the one who told me to look up the definition of "veganism." It's a definition that I have had memorized for years. Now you're backpedaling and saying the definition of veganism is something that happened before the word was invented. Avoiding questions again. I guess you're ideology can't hold up to critical thinking and facts. Try again. Stop making things up and using fan fiction.
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@starstenaal527 So a refutation based on backpedaling and moving the goalposts. LOL. Thanks for the win.
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@starstenaal527 Still can't refute me eh? Thanks for the win.
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@starstenaal527 You haven't at all. You told me to look up the definition so I posted the official definition created by the Vegan Society. Now that you have been refuted your moving the goal posts and backpedaling because you know you're wrong. I win.
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@starstenaal527 Again no refutation. Try again I guess. I win.
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@starstenaal527 You claimed : "A vegan person obviously practices veganism." I debunked that. You can't refute it.
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@starstenaal527 Already went over this. You're arguing in circles. I linked the source in your profile already. Have a source for your claim? No? Just using a cherry picked definition that fits your narrative? Cool, thanks for the win again.
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@starstenaal527 "Instead of you, I took the first definiton I found." "definiton" is not a word. I am using the official and actual definition of "Vegan" created by the Vegan Society. Thanks for admitting I am right. Anything else?
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@starstenaal527 "The source you posted on my discussion page does not lead me to the Vegan Society but to the Oxford Dictionary of Phrase and Fable." Which gives it's origins and three paragraphs of information. "I conclude that you are lying." Without even reading the source? I conclude I have won yet again. Anything else?
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@starstenaal527 "Your definition" It's not my definition. It is the Vegan Society's definition. You know, the people who coined and created the definition. "I can't even read the information because you need a subscription." Not my problem. So nothing else?
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Seven Ellen There is no such thing as a vegan body builder.
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@user-fm9ii8rl5o He isn't vegan. I looked him up like you suggested and found pictures of him using animal products. Vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or use animal products. He uses animal products so he isn't vegan. Have another name?
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@user-fm9ii8rl5o Again, he literally and technically isn't vegan. He literally uses animal products. Vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or use animal products. He uses animal products. He used animal products on March 06, 2021. You lied. You're confusing a vegan diet with being vegan. Being on a vegan (adjective) diet doesn't make you vegan (noun). Learn the difference.
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Look up persistence hunting. We are biologically omnivores.
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@panes840 "no we are not omnivores." So you're a science denier. Cool story. The rest of your babble doesn't make sense. Thanks for your concession based on your lies and nonsense.
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@panes840 "tour just lashing out now Janie because you didn't like my reply?" tour? You're* Learn to spell. Your reply didn't make sense. "because ever more sophisticated." Literally what? And... "Before the ice age were eating plants." This is nonsense. How did the ice age eat plants? You should ask your parents for help. The science says humans are omnivores. The only people pushing the herbivore narrative are animals rights activists. Biased propaganda. Try again.
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@Selaphane The PETA organization is claiming this. I can't name a reputable vegan because there are no vegans that claim anything. It's like asking me to name one reputable unicorn that grants wishes. They don't exist. I accept your concession.
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@Selaphane "Having trouble differentiating between biology and anatomy?" Nope. Having trouble refuting my last comment since you ignored it completely? "our bodies can digest meat" Thanks for agreeing humans are omnivores. Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while pretending to be vegan? I know you won't answer this directly and honestly, but I want others to see your moral hypocrisy. I predict you won't answer the question, you will go into denial, you will ask which animal products proving you don't do any research, and/or you will use a doctrine as a justification for using animal products needlessly for entertainment.
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@Selaphane You should pay more attention to the conversation. You're jumping into a conversation and defending someone that claims humans are herbivores. I guess that's what happens when you can't keep up with all of your losing. You didn't answer the question again. I will accept that as another concession.
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@Selaphane You're defending Panes' first comment by attacking me with nonsense. Attack him for lying about humans being herbivores. "Humans are anatomically herbivorous and biologically omnivorous, I'm not a science denier." Humans are anatomically and biologically omnivores. Claiming otherwise is denying science. I already accepted your concession. Why do you keep replying?
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@Selaphane "We don't have the anatomy to kill things like other omnivores." So you don't understand that different species of omnivores exist and those species have different adaptations? That's funny. "I'd like to see a human try to maul a cow to death." So you think the ability to be an omnivore has to do with mauling cattle? How many catfish have you seen maul a cow to death? I guess that makes a catfish something other than a omnivore....by your logic. Thanks for your final concession.
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@Selaphane "Catfish don't eat cows." Sure they do. When a cow dies in the water they eat what they can of it just like other animals. "Catfish are able to kill what they eat with their adaptations." So can humans. Humans adapted to using tools. "All omnivores are able to kill what they eat with their adaptations, except humans." Intelligence is an adaptation. Humans use intelligence to kill what their hands and teeth can not and it is how humans evolved. "Name another omnivore that can't kill what they eat with their anatomical tools." Avian scavengers. At this point I am just going to accept your concession since you can't actually refute me and you continue to make things up and lie. Thanks for the win and your concession.
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@Selaphane "Catfish don't kill cows." Backpedaling again. First you say they don't eat them and when proven wrong you backpedaled to killing. "That's not an anatomical adaptation." It doesn't surprise me in the least that you don't think the brain is anatomical. "Once again, not anatomical." Our brains are anatomical. No idea why you keep lying. "Those are carnivores lol." Tell the vultures they aren't allowed to eat decaying plant matter then. They love pumpkins by the way. Tell me more about how Seagulls aren't omnivores. LOL "At this point I am just going to accept your concession since you can't actually refute me and you continue to make things up and lie. " And now you're projecting. As usual I win and your continued lies make your concession easy to accept.
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@panes840 You are both liars. You both use animal products needlessly for entertainment. Humans are omnivores even though you lied and claimed they were herbivores. You conveniently leave out anything to do with our adaptations to eating animals. Just a couple of virtue signaling liars and hypocrites trying to push propaganda because facts make you feel guilty.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever You reply to my comments a lot for someone who claims they are ignoring me. I am not anti-vegan. I am anti-liar and hypocrite. You're so triggered you replied to me after claiming I am blocked.
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@panes840 "I am vegan i do use animal products for entertainment lol. " Smart phones, computers, routers, and servers are made with fat, gelatin, and bones. Youtube is an entertainment platform. Thanks for admitting you use animal products for entertainment. You literally use animal products for entertainment every time you reply.
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@panes840 "Pleawe can you refresh your memory with the definition of what veganism is." Pleawe? Okay. "Veganism is a philosophy and way of living which seeks to exclude—as far as is possible and practicable—all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose." Youtube's servers are possible and practicable to avoid. You're justifying using any animal products you want because of your possible need of a PC. Using your logic, it's okay to claim to be vegan and order a meat lovers pizza and some chicken wings as long as you use your computer to do it. "A vegan diet isn't perfect." Being vegan is more than just a diet. Practicing veganism is more than a diet. A vegan does not eat or use animal products. A person practicing veganism does not eat or use animal products that are possible and practicable to avoid. You use animal products intentionally and needlessly that are possible and practicable to avoid for entertainment. You already admitted to using animal products needlessly for entertainment. "i do use animal products for entertainment lol." So you have admitted you're not vegan and you don't practice veganism. It's over. I accept your concession.
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@panes840 "So you are saying I shouldn't use a PC?" No. "I cannot use a mobile phone, I can't drive a car even an electric one as a fly might hit the windscreen?" I didn't say any of that. "I can't walk down the street because I might tread on an ant with my shoe?" Didn't say this either. These are all arguments you're making up against yourself. No idea why you're attributing them to me. A vegan is a person who does not eat or use animal products. If you eat or use animal products you're not vegan and that is all I have been saying. You literally use animal products needlessly for entertainment while lying about being vegan. You don't have to lie to reduce harm, but for some reason you think the only way to reduce harm is to be a liar and be a hypocrite. You're free to continue to deny facts if you like. It just continues to prove me right. You're a liar and a hypocrite that will justify your use of animal products needlessly for entertainment. "As most vegans I note have said we start somewhere and get better and better." None of those people are vegan. They use animal products needlessly just like you and everyone else. Since you haven't or can't refute me I accept your concession.
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@panes840 "yes you are right Janie" I know. "from a vegan" You're not vegan. You literally use animal products. I accept your concession.
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@panes840 And now emoji spam because being wrong has you triggered? Thanks for the win and your concession.
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@panes840 And another comment that doesn't refute me. I accept your concession.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever Imagine being so triggered that I thoroughly proved you're a liar and a hypocrite that you feel like spamming almost every comment I am in while claiming I am blocked.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever Imagine being so triggered that I thoroughly proved you're a liar and a hypocrite that you feel like spamming almost every comment I am in while claiming I am blocked.
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He uses animal products intentionally and needlessly for convenience and entertainment. He is just a liar and a hypocrite.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever "So let's consume those and leave the ones who feel fear panic and pain alone." Why are you pushing for others to do what you're unwilling to do? You literally use animal products intentionally and needlessly for entertainment. Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while claiming you're against animal abuse? I know you won't answer this directly and honestly, but I want others to see your moral hypocrisy. I predict you won't answer the question, you will go into denial, you will ask which animal products proving you don't do any research, and/or you will use a doctrine as a justification for using animal products needlessly for entertainment.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever Imagine being so triggered that I thoroughly proved you're a liar and a hypocrite that you feel like spamming almost every comment I am in while claiming I am blocked.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever "You won't even stop abusing animals because of your taste buds." And you won't stop abusing them for entertainment. Animal products are used in smart phones, computers, routers, and servers. Youtube is an entertainment platform and uses processors made with fat and bones. Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while claiming you're against animal abuse? I know you won't answer this directly and honestly, but I want others to see your moral hypocrisy. I predict you won't answer the question, you will go into denial, you will ask which animal products proving you don't do any research, and/or you will use a doctrine as a justification for using animal products needlessly for entertainment.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever You use products cut from the same dead animals that everyone else uses. You're literally a liar and a hypocrite pushing cultish propaganda.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever Imagine being so triggered that I thoroughly proved you're a liar and a hypocrite that you feel like spamming almost every comment I am in while claiming I am blocked.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever Why do you tell others to do what you refuse to do yourself? You literally use animal products needlessly for entertainment. Practice what you preach.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever You accused me of eating animal products so the burden of proof is on you. I accept your concession.
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@lukeh8056 Why are you doing it? You use products made with the same dead animals intentionally and needlessly. Why is it okay for you, but it isn't for normal people? Inb4 inane citation babble.
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Ed claims to love animals and he uses animal products needlessly for entertainment. You don't even have to imagine it...it's true.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while claiming to be against it? I know you won't answer this simple question. I just want others to see you're unwilling to practice what you preach.
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They are just used as buzzwords and appeals to emotion. Murder is uniquely human. You can't murder livestock. The people pretending to be vegan actively make things up to try to twist emotions and such. Just let them. Give them the facts and they often go running to their cultish holes.
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@Gdad-20 Earthling Ed is a hypocrite as well. He literally uses animal products needlessly while claiming to be against using animal products needlessly.
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@Alex Smart phones, computers, routers, and servers are made with fat, gelatin, and bones. Simply uploading a video to youtube proves the person used several products made with animal death while doing it for entertainment and monetary gain.
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@lukeh8056 He never said it was "stupif."
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever "There's no reason not to be vegan. None." Then why do you use animal products and why aren't you vegan? Thanks for the preemptive win.
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@lukeh8056 "And I'm a prostitute who's also a virgin. " Which is much more likely than you being vegan. Since you openly admit to using animal products from the same animals that die for food.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever "Time to go vegan!" Why are you telling others to do what you're unwilling to do? Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while telling others to go vegan? I know you won't answer this directly and honestly, but I want others to see your moral hypocrisy. I predict you won't answer the question, you will go into denial, you will ask which animal products proving you don't do any research, and/or you will use a doctrine as a justification for using animal products needlessly for entertainment.
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@Deathhead68 "It's just about trying to stop people killing animals." Why are you trying to stop other people from doing the same thing you do yourself?
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever You're non-vegan just like everyone else. Why don't you stop your use of animal products instead of trying to convince normal people to do what you're unwilling to do?
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever Now deleting your replies and reposting them for attention eh? Weird how you do that after claiming to have me blocked.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever He isn't. He uses animal products all of the time on his youtube channel.
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@samvandervelden8243 "lol, show proof" Smart phones, computers, routers, and servers are made with and contain fat, gelatin, and bones. How do you think he records, edits, and uploads his videos? Smoke signals?
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@samvandervelden8243 So first you dismiss with "proof" babble and now you're justifying his needless and intentional use of animal products. Thanks for proving any proof would be dismissed in favor of a hypocritical narrative.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever You're lying about me and replying about me. I guess you lied when you said you were done with me. I am not anti-vegan. I am anti-liar.
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@gustavolamego9913 So nothing to refute me so you babble nonsense?
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@samvandervelden8243 Using youtube is a needless and unnecessary use of animal products.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever You're the one continuing to reply about me after lying about being done with me. Seems like you're still mad I proved you're a liar and a hypocrite.
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@samvandervelden8243 "it's just making use of the product I have" Since when do you own youtube? Oh right...you don't. You use animal products intentionally and needlessly that are possible and practicable to avoid. You can't refute this. I accept your concession.
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@samvandervelden8243 Practical is not part of any definition of veganism. You still don't own youtube. You don't practice veganism. You use animal products that are possible and practicable to avoid. That's my only point. What you do beyond that is irrelevant to me since I am just pointing out you're not vegan and don't practice veganism.
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@samvandervelden8243 Then don't get into arguments with people who aren't using your fan fiction version of definitions that only exist in your head.
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@samvandervelden8243 ....Okay... Then don't get into arguments with people who aren't using your fan fiction version of definitions that only exist in your head.
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@samvandervelden8243 Cool story. Still has nothing to do with the argument about veganism. Your personal beliefs are irrelevant.
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@samvandervelden8243 People who don't care don't reply to me constantly for no reason.
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@samvandervelden8243 And yet here you are arguing with me anyway.
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@samvandervelden8243 And still nothing to refute me. I accept your concession.
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@samvandervelden8243 Now you're insulting me because you decided to respond with nonsense and your own personal fan fiction that has nothing to do with the original argument. Anything else?
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@samvandervelden8243 " what is the morally relevant difference between humans and non-human animals that justifies the difference of treatment?" I don't care about livestock and have no moral qualms with using their products how I see fit. To answer your fallacious "name that trait" question I would simply say the trait of being human. Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while preaching about your morals and ethics? I know you won't answer this question directly and truthfully, I just want anyone reading to see your moral hypocrisy. I predict you will ignore the question, go into denial, ask me which animal products proving you don't do your own research, and/or use a doctrine as justification for using animal products needlessly for entertainment.
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@samvandervelden8243 Already answered. I don't care about livestock and have no moral qualms with using their products how I see fit. To answer your fallacious "name that trait" question I would simply say the trait of being human. My answer stands. You can "what if" genetic modification fan fiction if you like with people over in a sci-fi channel. You're turn. Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while preaching about your morals and ethics? I know you won't answer this question directly and truthfully, I just want anyone reading to see your moral hypocrisy. I predict you will ignore the question, go into denial, ask me which animal products proving you don't do your own research, and/or use a doctrine as justification for using animal products needlessly for entertainment.
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@samvandervelden8243 So can't answer my simple question and instead insist upon me answering your nonsense science fiction? Thanks for your concession.
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@samvandervelden8243 "i will answer it if you answer mine" Already did and then you asked more after I asked my question. I will paste the exchange for you since you're seemingly having problems with reading. " what is the morally relevant difference between humans and non-human animals that justifies the difference of treatment?" I don't care about livestock and have no moral qualms with using their products how I see fit. To answer your fallacious "name that trait" question I would simply say the trait of being human. Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while preaching about your morals and ethics? I know you won't answer this question directly and truthfully, I just want anyone reading to see your moral hypocrisy. I predict you will ignore the question, go into denial, ask me which animal products proving you don't do your own research, and/or use a doctrine as justification for using animal products needlessly for entertainment. Answer or concede. I predict you will evade again so I will just go ahead and accept your concession based on your ongoing evasion.
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@samvandervelden8243 As predicted you can't answer a simple question. I have answered your question and adding additional science fiction caveats doesn't change that. I accept your concession.
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@samvandervelden8243 It's over. You automatically concede by not answering the simple question. I get it. You don't want proof that is easy to see that you're a moral hypocrite who uses animal products intentionally and needlessly. Fact remains. I answered your question and you continue to evade mine. Expect a cut and paste canned reply from this point forward.
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@samvandervelden8243 Since you continue to evade my simple question I must accept your concession. I simply ask why you did something. I didn't ask for a meandering monologue or a justification for doing the thing I asked about. You're concession is accepted in perpetuity.
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@samvandervelden8243 "it's literally impossible for me to live without a phone, what do you think I should do?" I don't care what you do. Practice what you preach. It's funny how you think all youtube's servers are on your phone. I guess if you throw your phone away no one will be able to use youtube... "Throw my phone away never buy one again, not be able to have a job and eventually die because I can't get money for food?" Let's break down your fallacious logic. You think your phone is not possible or practicable to give up because you need to keep your job. That's probably true...for the job you chose. So somewhere in your head you are justifying using additional things that your phone connects to because you need a phone. This logic justifies claiming to be vegan while ordering a meat lovers pizza and chicken wings because you used the pizza hut phone app. "It's okay because phone." You're justifying using youtube because you need a phone for your job (that you chose) which is unrelated to youtube, this channel, or replying to me. Faulty logic as usual from hypocrites pretending to be vegan. Thanks for your ongoing concession. This debate has only proven you're just another hypocrite willing to justify the use of animal products you like for convenience and entertainment while pretending to be against it. It's just virtue signaling.
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@samvandervelden8243 Thanks for proving you can't refute me, you justify your own hypocrisy, you can't answer a simple question, and you're willing to ignore logic that interferes with your virtue signaling. I accept your concession.
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@samvandervelden8243 " I did answer your question," You're lying. A meandering monologue and justifications of hypocrisy is not an answer. Personal insults now because you can't handle seeing a massive flaw in your logic... Thanks for the win and your ongoing concession.
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@samvandervelden8243 Still asking me questions while evading mine. We are done here. I accept your ongoing concession for the following reasons. Proving you can't refute me, you justify your own hypocrisy, you can't answer a simple question, and you're willing to ignore logic that interferes with your virtue signaling.
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@samvandervelden8243 I am just responding to notifications. I will not be reading any more of your babble since you can't refute me, you lie, you practice hypocrisy, you virtue signal, you have faulty logic, and you refuse to answer simple questions. I accept your concession.
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@John Bigg To be vegan one simply must not eat or use animal products. Smart phones, computers, routers, and servers are made with fat, gelatin, and bones. So being on the internet and making comments on youtube proves they use animal products.
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@Selaphane "Are you aware of the fact that over half of crops grown are grown for livestock feed which are then consumed by humans?" You're lying again. Is that all you do? Over 97% of all crops are grown for human consumption and the byproducts of that consumption is livestock feed. Unless you think livestock eat ethanol, soybean oil, biodiesel, cigarettes, palm oil, etc... Just another liar and hypocrite pushing propaganda.
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@Selaphane "This is false information." No it isn't. "We already grow enough crops to feed around 9-10 billion people" Another lie. I will paste what I already said because I guess you're having problems with reading comprehension. Is it diet related? Over 97% of all crops are grown for human consumption and the byproducts of that consumption is livestock feed. Unless you think livestock eat ethanol, soybean oil, biodiesel, cigarettes, palm oil, etc... "We already have the infrastructure, why aren't we implementing it?" Because inedible to humans livestock feed can't be fed to humans if they want to live. So no, we don't have this mythical infrastructure you're lying about.
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@Selaphane "Why are you so focused on inedible agriculture?" Just pointing out your blatant lies because you're a liar. " Livestock crops make up a significant portion of what's grown." Inedible to humans. More disingenuous lies. "It could be repurposed for human consumption" Hopes and dreams doesn't make an argument. Just more lies, assumptions, and false statistics as usual. Thanks for another win and your ongoing concessions.
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@Selaphane "could" The government "could" print out a billion dollars for every citizen. Could be and will happen are very far apart. You're being disingenuous. You just can't help yourself. You lie, practice hypocrisy, and push propaganda every chance you get. Thanks for the seemingly endless wins and another concession.
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@Selaphane "What does repurposing crops for human consumption solve?" It creates a famine. That doesn't solve anything worthwhile except population control. "If anything, you're being disingenuous by ignoring possible solutions to real problems." You're ignoring facts. The fact remains that we currently don't grow enough food to feed everyone plant based meals with proper crop diversity. You're using hopes and dreams as an argument while ignoring the fact billions of animals have to die and several species have to go on the endangered list just to achieve your cultish delusions.
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@Selaphane Why are you continuing to babble? I already accepted your concession.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever Imagine being so triggered that I thoroughly proved you're a liar and a hypocrite that you feel like spamming almost every comment I am in while claiming I am blocked.
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@FaddaWolf Check sources like the FAO, MSDS, The Vegan Society, USDA, and Academy of Nutrition and Dietetics if you want to get educated enough to argue with these liars and hypocrites.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever You're replying to me a lot for someone who claims I am blocked. I guess that just proves you're so triggered that you block people and continue to reply to them. I also think it's funny that your latest video showcases a racist and bigot that you idolize.
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@FaddaWolf I have no idea what you're on about and the link to the FAO that I tried to send 3 times now is censored by youtube. Look it up....or don't.
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@Dan-dp8em At least he is being honest with himself and others. He hasn't lied about being vegan while using animal products intentionally and needlessly like you.
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@Dan-dp8em "I'm not a hypocrite, you probably are." You're literally using animal products needlessly just to reply to me while telling people they shouldn't use animal products. That fits the definition of hypocrisy. hypocrisy - the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform The rest of your comment as usual is just made up "probably this" and "false accusations that." It's not my fault that you use animal products needlessly just to virtue signal your hypocrisy on the internet. You could just as easily choose to stop being a liar and a hypocrite.
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@Dan-dp8em yh you are what? You're not making sense.
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That's cute. You never thought about the smaller animals they ate. Insects and such. Omnivore primates continue to eat insects in their diets.
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He has been proven a liar numerous times. He isn't even vegan. He just claims he is for subs, donations, and views.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever "They're either pro animal abuse or vegan." And you use animal products so that means by your own logic that you are pro animal abuse. Thanks for admitting to being a liar and a hypocrite that only pretends to be vegan.
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 @thvx1566 You're appealing to emotion. All of this arguing and you don't even tell us why you're happy to use animal products.
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@thvx1566 Two replies? Are you unable to keep your thoughts together on your diet? Name calling and foul language. Yes you're a beacon of the hypocrite and liar community. "happy to use animal products? Who said I did karen?" Facts. Smart phones, computers, routers, and servers are made with fat, gelatin, and bones. You're literally using animal products every time you reply. Anything else?
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@thvx1566 Just more name calling without being able to refute me eh? "Also so what?" It just means you're a hypocrite and a liar. " Veganism isn't about being perfect, it's about using as little animal products as possible while still being able to do the things you HAVE to do." You HAVE to reply to strangers on the internet? How much do you get paid to reply to me? Do your parents force you? What is your job title where they force you to reply to me? So basically....you're now an admitted liar and hypocrite. "I can't live without my phone." You can live without youtube's routers and servers that you used to reply to me. "I like most people also just simply didn't know about this either and the amount of cholesterol actually used seems marginally low." The definition doesn't care how little you use intentionally and needlessly. Vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or use animal products. You use animal products. You're not vegan. Veganism is a doctrine about a lifestyle of avoiding animal products when possible and practicable. It is not the definition of a person and is not the definition of "vegan." Why are all of you virtue signaling liars and hypocrites so ignorant about the things you claim to be for attention? "you have the same phone as me and on top of that," I never claimed to be vegan or to practice veganism. Do you not know what the definition of hypocrisy is? hypocrisy - the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform You literally use animal products while telling other people not to use animal products. You're literally a hypocrite. "you refuse to buy the Vegan alternatives." You're making things up. Can you ever just tell the truth? " Instead, you eat dead animals flesh, wear their dead skin and torn out fur, sleep on they plucked feathers, use makeup tested on them etc." Have proof of these accusations? Of course you don't. You're a liar and a hypocrite that only feels better about yourself when you're accusing others of doing the same things you do. "Also, there’s no reasonable way to know if a specific electronic contains animal products or not." That's what the MSDS site is for. Maybe ask your parents for help. "Most of the time, customer service will not be able to tell you these things." Try public relations and ask for MSDS codes of their products. That's how I find out. Spoiler alert: Every bit of mechanical grade silicon is purified with bones. "I'll give you 3 replies this time just to piss you off" It doesn't bother me at all. It just backs up my case about you not being able to keep your thoughts together on your diet. You lose. Try again. Maybe try to use facts and stop making up fan fiction next time.
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@thvx1566 So like I said. You're a liar and a hypocrite. You're fine using animal products and you justify the amount based on "extremely low." Thanks for the win and confirming you're a liar and a hypocrite.
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@thvx1566 "I didn't say I was fine with it," You're still here using animal products intentionally and needlessly. Of course you're fine with it. If it weren't okay with you then you wouldn't be using animal products that are possible and practicable to avoid. "I said the amount used in phones is not in any way comparable to other animal products, the ones that you most certainly get" Odd how all you virtue signaling liars and hypocrites quickly forget the rest of the sentence. Smart phones, COMPUTERS, ROUTERS, AND SERVERS. The entire infrastructure that you're using intentionally and needlessly to reply isn't miniscule. "Look I'm sorry for all the name calling." You started name calling in your first reply. I don't believe you because you're a liar. "But I HAVE to use my phone." Already debunked. "It's simply not possible for me not to have one." Already debunked. Pay attention liar. You're replying to me. It is possible and practicable to avoid replying to me using animal products. You're literally using animal products every time you reply to me proving you're a liar and a hypocrite. You lose. I win. Anything else?
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@thvx1566 "The fact you can actually bring up such shitty and repetitive arguments" So it's not okay to repeat myself when you do? "You didn't debunk a single thing," Sure I did. You justified using animal products and I showed you your hypocrisy. "Have fun claiming your victories and feeling better I guess." I feel great all of the time. I don't have to lie and justify being a hypocrite. Anything else?
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@thvx1566 "I never justified using animal products" You're lying. I will quote you because you can't remember what you already typed. Justification: "But I HAVE to use my phone." "B-b-but I have to to reply to you using animal products for no reason!!!!" You see. You did justify using animal products just to reply to a stranger that has proven you wrong. "and you still haven't provided any evidence of phones etc being ran on animal products." I never said phones are "ran" on animal products you liar. I said they are made with and contain animal products. You're a proven liar and hypocrite. Anything else?
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@thvx1566 "And you still haven't provided any evidence to support the claim phones are made with animal products," Scroll up and read again. The information is publicly available via the MSDS site. Stop lying. " that last part was just a bad usage of english terminology and you could've just realized that." English* I don't care. "You're a proven karen and trump supporter" And more name calling after previously apologizing for name calling. This is why I didn't accept your apology. I knew you would fall back to name calling because you're a proven liar. It's funny that you think I am a Trump supporter simply because I am using facts that you don't like. I win.
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@thvx1566 "You're just trying to find things that show vegans may not be perfect" Wrong again. I am using facts to show you're not vegan in the first place. "so that you can claim your online moral victory and feel better about the things you eat that cause 1000x more animal suffering than what we do." What do I eat? Are you assuming my diet because you can't handle being proven wrong. Lying is unethical. You're ethical debate above is lost now that you have proven yourself to be a liar and a hypocrite that uses animal products intentionally and needlessly. " if you don't see a difference between having to use your phone and eating meat when you have alternatives you're not worth my time." And of course you left out all of the other products you're using needlessly. Smart phones, computers, routers, servers, asphalt, refrigerators, microwaves, televisions, motor vehicles, drywall, etc... The list goes on for millions of products. The alternative to replying to me while using animal products is not replying to me and not using animal products. You won't do that though.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever "obesity and our #1 killer of heart disease." You're mistaking gluttony for a diet. "Time to go vegan." Then go be vegan instead of telling us to do what you're unwilling to do.
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It's the usual hypocrisy.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever "If the murder is local and from a small business, that makes it extremely ethical! I always get my hitmen locally from a small operation." You're conflating human murder which is illegal to animal slaughter which is legal. You continue to whine with appeals to emotion that only prove you're delusional. Why do you use animal products intentionally and needlessly for entertainment?
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@eliasbostrom5131 Killing livestock so you can type these comments on the internet "feels right" to you?
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever You're conflating humans with livestock. This is an appeal to emotion and has nothing to do with diet or morals. Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment? I know you won't answer this directly and honestly, but I want others to see your moral hypocrisy. I predict you won't answer the question, you will go into denial, you will ask which animal products proving you don't do any research, and/or you will use a doctrine as a justification for using animal products needlessly for entertainment.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever You're conflating humans with livestock. This is an appeal to emotion and has nothing to do with diet or morals. Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment? I know you won't answer this directly and honestly, but I want others to see your moral hypocrisy. I predict you won't answer the question, you will go into denial, you will ask which animal products proving you don't do any research, and/or you will use a doctrine as a justification for using animal products needlessly for entertainment.
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You don't practice veganism and you want others to try harder? Why don't you practice what you preach before babbling about others.
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@authenticallytrish Just me? Why don't you practice veganism? Why must I do better when you're unwilling to practice even the basics of veganism?
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@authenticallytrish You're unwilling to stop using animal products that are possible and practicable to avoid. Why do you want the whole world to do something you're unwilling to do?
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@authenticallytrish What does knowing you have to do with anything?
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@authenticallytrish You're not vegan and you don't practice veganism. You use animal products intentionally and needlessly each time you reply to me. Smart phones, computers, routers, and servers are made with and/or contain animal products. You have been replying to a stranger which is possible and practicable to avoid using animal products. "why are you unwilling to stop using animal products?" Because I enjoy modern convenience and entertainment. Why are you unwilling to stop using animal products? Answer honestly this time instead of lying.
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@authenticallytrish "My bad, I didn’t realize vegans don’t use smartphones." Vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or use animal products. Eating or using animal products means you're not vegan. Using animal products beyond what is possible and practicable to avoid means you don't practice veganism. "Apparently I am “unwilling” to stop using animal products because of their omnipresence in our society." Yep, and the difference is I am honest about it and you're a hypocrite and liar.
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@viniciusmartins9241 The easiest argument against veganism is that it's too hard to give up animal products in our modern world.
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You choose a liar, conman, and grifter as your idol? That's pretty much what I always expected.
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@naydra199 Sure it is. Eating fortified foods and supplements isn't natural.
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@Corvid_Moon Good thing in your opinion maybe. Even the biggest proponents of plant based claim you need supplements. Go argue with them.
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@Corvid_Moon Is it a reading comprehension problem or are you argumentative for fun? Even the biggest proponents of plant based claim you need supplements. Go argue with them.
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@Corvid_Moon Can't answer the question? Thanks for the win. There is no reason to troll me.
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@Corvid_Moon "¬ You can't even tell me what supplements you need" I never said I needed any. "nor who is telling people you need supplements" Mic the Vegan, Joey Carbstrong, Earthling Ed, That Vegan Couple, and Gary Yourofsky to name a few. " keep thinking you're in the know and I'm just trolling." You are. You're one of those liars that claims to be vegan despite the absolute fact you use animal products.
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@Corvid_Moon I am the same person that debunked you last time. You're just a liar and a hypocrite babbling propaganda and lies to push a narrative that only exists in your head. Reply again. Prove you're unable to handle facts.
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So intentionally buying or using products made with animal death is equal?
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@totezmcgotez44 So intentionally buying or using products made with animal death is equal? Read it slower. Maybe ask a parent for help.
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@totezmcgotez44 You intentionally and needlessly use animal products. The people you claim are vegan use animal products intentionally and needlessly. It's equal.
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@gazrygames2481 "It’s unethical to kill a cow, a dog or an ape for the same reason it’s unethical to kill a human." Then why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment? I know you won't answer this question directly and truthfully, I just want anyone reading to see your moral hypocrisy. I predict you will ignore the question, go into denial, ask me which animal products proving you don't do your own research, and/or use a doctrine as justification for using animal products needlessly for entertainment.
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@gazrygames2481 You literally use animal products needlessly for entertainment while pretending to be against it. "I don’t bet on animals, go to zoos, ride horses etc." You make comments on an entertainment platform. Smart phones, computers, routers, and servers are made with fat, gelatin, and bones. Thanks for proving you can't answer a simple question. I accept your concession.
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@gazrygames2481 "I use my phone because I have to for my job." Youtube's servers are not a phone. They are easily possible and practicable to avoid. It's funny that you justify using any animal products needlessly for entertainment you want simply because you have a job. "Let’s just say I am a total hypocrite." You are. "It still doesn’t justify you eating animal products." Prove I eat animal products or admit you're a liar. What I do is irrelevant. I am simply pointing out your hypocrisy. Still can't answer a simple question eh?
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@gazrygames2481 Thanks for admitting to being a liar and a hypocrite. That was my point and I have been proven correct. "It doesn’t make you right, it doesn’t make killing animals right." It does make me right that you're a liar and a hypocrite because you admitted it. I never claimed killing animals is right. "But me being a hypocrite and doing that is not a justification for you to do it." You're using the appeal to futility fallacy and applying to me in a strawman fallacy. I never claimed that what you do is a justification for anything I do. I do what I want. "I’m not scared to answer any questions." Then answer the simple question. Then why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment? I know you won't answer this question directly and truthfully, I just want anyone reading to see your moral hypocrisy. I predict you will ignore the question, go into denial, ask me which animal products proving you don't do your own research, and/or use a doctrine as justification for using animal products needlessly for entertainment.
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@gazrygames2481 You're admission to being a hypocrite was my point. You hypocritical people who constantly attack others for doing the same things you do are pathetic and that is the only point I was making. "Do you eat animal products and do you think it is ethical to kill them when we don’t have to?" You made the accusation. It's up to you to prove what I eat. I don't care about the ethics of killing animals. Thanks for admitting to being a hypocrite and liar. That was my only point. I accept your concession based on your admission to being a liar and a hypocrite.
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@gazrygames2481 " concession of being a hypocrite hasn’t changed my point." It made my point. "I don’t want to ‘prove you eat animals’ dumbass." And now you're name calling while lying. "I just want to prove killing and eating animals when not out of self defence is immoral." And yet you use products cut from those same dead animals. You're admitting to being immoral by your own standards. "I say it’s immoral to kill pigs and cows for the same reason it’s immoral to kill dogs or humans." Which proves your hypocrisy because you literally use animal products cut from the same dead animals that everyone else uses. If you truly believed it is immoral then you would stop using them. You won't stop because you like convenience and entertainment more than your beliefs. You continue to prove you're a hypocrite and a liar. I win again and continue to accept your concession.
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@gazrygames2481 " ‘and yet you use products cut from those same animals’ doesn’t make it right for you." I never claimed it did. I am just pointing out your lies and hypocrisy. I am not justifying anything I do by pointing out what you do. I do what I want. My point is simple. You're a liar and hypocrite who uses animal products needlessly for entertainment while claiming it's immoral. I win again. Thanks for your continued concession and more proof of your hypocrisy.
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@gazrygames2481 "you are an absolute pleb." And now the name calling. "but you’re doing it." You're lying again. And you deleted your comments. That's why I quote people. Thanks again for the win and your concession.
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@deathbyreligion1916 This is the first time you have made a comment. No idea what you're babbling about.
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@deathbyreligion1916 You're just babbling then...k
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@deathbyreligion1916 Seems like you're trying to troll.
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@deathbyreligion1916 Anything else?
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@Corvid_Moon So you're admitting to being uneducated on the subject....that fits.
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@Corvid_Moon "¬ Nice projection." You're the one begging for links. "the psychology of carnists" Name calling eh. You're not vegan. You use products made with the same animal products that normal people use. You're just a typical virtue signaling liar and hypocrite pushing a narrative you refuse to practice yourself.
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@Corvid_Moon "All I'm asking of you is for you to verify your claims with sources," I don't need to provide a source. You have already admitted to using animal products. "You're a carnist, are you not?" Yay, more buzzwords. Everyone currently living in the modern world uses animal products. Just like you, I use animal products. "You choose to finance the abhorrent torture and slaughter of innocent beings for little more than transient pleasure, and you choose to go against those who don't do that in order to defend your position on the matter." Appeal to emotion. We all use products made with the slaughter of livestock. No need to deny it. You already admitted to it. "Your'e the third person on YouTube like this, crazy how carnists work." You're* Facts work like that. You do in fact use animal products so you're not vegan. Smart phones, computers, routers, and servers are all made with fat, gelatin, and bones. You're not using smoke signals to reply to me. "And yeah, do the right thing and stop ***** with animals." Practice what you preach. Why is it okay for you to use products made with the same dead animals that everyone else uses while name calling them?
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@plants4passions V "that’s why he’s vegan he is <reducing> his harm towards animals, himself, and the planet." You're conflating several definitions and using them all wrong. Very typical for you virtue signaling liars. Vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or use animal products. Earthling Ed uses animal products every time he makes a video or replies to a comment. He is not vegan. Veganism is a doctrine about reducing animal exploitation when possible and practicable. He uses products made with animal products that are possible and practicable to avoid. He does not practice veganism. You're just another virtue signaling liar and hypocrite pushing a narrative you won't even follow yourself.
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@lukeh8056 I have. You start lying and justifying your use of animal products while pretending to be vegan. You're just a hypocrite playing pretend.
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@lukeh8056 "product like tallow" Hmm....what is another product like tallow. Oh oh I know. Gelatin. Do you keep making up new goal posts because you don't enjoy constantly being proven a hypocrite or do you enjoy it? "your example was for gelatin, something I try to avoid." Lithium Ion batteries and adhesives in electronics. Face it. You're a hypocrite. You can keep denying it if you like. It won't change that you're in fact a liar and a hypocrite. Anything else or do you want to evade more and justify using animal products needlessly?
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@lukeh8056 "do you have anything about Tallow or no?" Sure. Tallow is made from fat and is a product sold to tallow manufacturing companies. No matter how you word it. You use animal products intentionally and needlessly. You're a hypocrite.
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@lukeh8056 "No matter how you word it. You use animal products intentionally and needlessly. You're a hypocrite."
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@lukeh8056 The definitions don't care how much you're contributing to demand. You ignore the actual definition of vegan and the doctrine and veganism. You claim to follow them while intentionally and needlessly using products made with the help of animal slaughter. If everyone pretending to be vegan like yourself were to actually adhere to the doctrines and definitions that you claim then the infrastructure requirements would be reduced. We are talking about millions of liars pretending to be vegan that openly and needlessly use animal products. You won't stop. This just shows you're a hypocrite.
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@lukeh8056 The Vegan Society of course. Veganism is a doctrine that describes a lifestyle. "The word veganism shall mean the doctrine that man should live without exploiting animals." - Leslie Cross founding member of the vegan society and author of "Veganism Defined." This is the doctrine that they later made to describe a life style of avoiding animal products when possible and practicable. There is no one that actually does this because convenience, hobbies, fun, and entertainment are always more important than possible and practicable. You prove this every time you reply to me using animal products that are easily avoided. Replying to me using your electronics is not a necessity of life and does in fact use the parts of slaughtered animals. You're a hypocrite. "Veganism is a way of living which seeks to exclude, as far as is possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of and cruelty to animals for food, clothing and any other purpose." Notice the definition of veganism does not include the word "person" or "vegan" in any form? This is because veganism is not the definition of vegan nor is failing at practicing veganism. "way of living" = lifestyle "exclude, as far as is possible and practicable" - This includes convenience, hobbies, fun, entertainment, and commenting on youtube. "all forms" - Does "all forms" mean "all forms" in your country? Maybe it just means "all forms except those that stop me from being a virtue signaling hypocrite" "any other purpose" - smart phones, routers, computers, servers, refrigerators, microwaves, asphalt roads, carpet, drywall, televisions, etc.....and millions more items long. If it is not a necessity for life then using it means you don't practice the doctrine of veganism. Notice the veganism doctrine doesn't care about your virtue signaling or lying about being vegan? Do you see that you're intentionally ignoring the doctrine while justifying your own contradictions?
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@lukeh8056 "given that you haven't yet demonstrated that tallow use contributes to more animals killed than would if the tallow wasn't used, I'm not sure I can agree with you in the sentiment that tallow use contributes to exploitation" Given that you have demonstrated that you will use animal products intentionally and needlessly regardless of the exploitation you have proven yourself to be a hypocrite. You're also conveniently leaving out the gelatin and bones you don't mind using. It is very telling that you stick with "exploitation" while ignoring the "any other purpose." You're cherry picking the very definition to justify your hypocrisy, but that is what you do. "you're not vegan BC you comment on YouTube videos does make me chuckle though so at least there's that" That is but one small reason. I am sure you benefit from many other modern world conveniences. Refrigerators, microwaves, televisions, asphalt roads, vehicles, etc... As usual you will justify your intentional continued use.
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@lukeh8056 Still cherry picking? As usual you keep avoiding the animal products you intentionally use needlessly like those you use to reply to me. It's cool though. You're a blatant hypocrite in denial and nothing anyone says will change your mind.
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@lukeh8056 "no, you still haven't demonstrated how animals are killed specifically for tallow." Still cherry picking? As usual you keep avoiding the animal products you intentionally use needlessly like those you use to reply to me. It's cool though. You're a blatant hypocrite in denial and nothing anyone says will change your mind.
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@lukeh8056 Didn't read this part? You're a blatant hypocrite in denial and nothing anyone says will change your mind.
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@lukeh8056 "I don't believe that my use of trace amounts of animal products " So you admit to not being vegan. "contributes to their exploitation" You failed to read the rest of the definition. "or any other purpose." You're not vegan and you don't adhere to the veganism doctrine.
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@lukeh8056 "all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose" Notice it is more than exploitation. AND CRUELTY TO. So again you're not vegan because you do use animal products. You have admitted this. You don't adhere to the veganism doctrine because you use animal products beyond what is possible and practicable. Irrefutable facts. You're not vegan. You justify your own hypocrisy. You're a liar.
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@lukeh8056 "We can continue to go round in childish circles, or, like adults agree that the fringe edges of veganism leave a lot of grey areas. I'm 21 so being childish and being an adult are well within my reach, the choice is yours." I am 36 and used to arguing with children that are stuck in a rut with their cognitive dissonance. Like I said. You're not vegan according to the definition of vegan and you don't practice veganism according to the doctrine. Practicing veganism or like you failing to practice veganism doesn't make you vegan. You're a hypocrite and liar. Own it and move on or continue arguing with someone who will never concede to a liar.
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@lukeh8056 Because of the relevant parts of the argument. You use animal products admittedly proving you're not vegan. That was the point of my original reply. You have conceded that you do use animal products. There is nothing else left to go over.
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@lukeh8056 "but we have not established whether that contributes to additional exploitation that would not occur if I did not" We don't have to. That is up to you to prove since you brought it up. You intentionally use animal products needlessly. This alone proves you aren't vegan nor do you practice veganism. Vegan (noun) is a word that describes a person. Vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or use animal products. The word vegan was coined in 1944 by Donald Watson and later the founders petitioned Oxford University for their precise definition. This is the definition that the Vegan Society petitioned Oxford University for placement in their reference. This is stated in the Oxford Phrases and Fables 1rst and 2nd edition. You may also find it in Encyclopædia Britannica. Every living person on the planet currently eats and/or uses animal products. Animal products are used in smart phones, computers, routers, servers, vehicles, asphalt roads, carpet, drywall, window glass, refrigerators, microwaves, etc... Veganism is a doctrine that describes a lifestyle. "The word veganism shall mean the doctrine that man should live without exploiting animals." - Leslie Cross founding member of the vegan society and author of "Veganism Defined." This is the doctrine that they later made to describe a life style of avoiding animal products when possible and practicable. You don't actually do this because convenience, hobbies, fun, and entertainment is always more important than possible and practicable with you. You prove this every time you reply to me using animal products that are easily avoided. Replying to me using your electronics and youtube's is not a necessity of life. "Veganism is a way of living which seeks to exclude, as far as is possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of and cruelty to animals for food, clothing and any other purpose." Notice the definition of veganism does not include the word "person" or "vegan" in any form? This is because veganism is not the definition of vegan nor is your failure to practice veganism. "way of living" = lifestyle "exclude, as far as is possible and practicable" - This includes convenience, hobbies, fun, entertainment, and replying to people on youtube. "all forms" - Does "all forms" mean "all forms" in your country? Maybe it just means "everything except what is inconvenient." "any other purpose" - smart phones, routers, computers, servers, refrigerators, microwaves, asphalt roads, carpet, drywall, televisions, etc.....and millions more items long. You're personal choices to live or work in places that leave you with no choice but to use animal products is your personal choice to intentionally use animal products. Move. We have already went over this a half dozen times in numerous virtue signaling comments of yours.
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@lukeh8056 Did they also teach you that if your point is full of lies and justifications it is also shit?
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@lukeh8056 "what lies?" You claim to be vegan and you claim to practice veganism. Those are lies. You intentionally and needlessly use animal products from animals that die in factory farms. You're not vegan and you don't practice veganism. Period.
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@lukeh8056 You have already admitted to using animal products needlessly and intentionally. Continuing to justify it with red herrings and wishful thinking is irrelevant. You're an admitted liar and hypocrite.
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@lukeh8056 I tried the conversation. You decided to start justifying your hypocrisy with irrelevant babble. So here we are. You use animal products intentionally and needlessly while claiming to be vegan and following the veganism doctrine. You're a liar and a hypocrite.
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@lukeh8056 I did in the beginning. "a side product/waste product like tallow" Gelatin is like tallow. You then backpedaled on your question. "forgive me for not being specific enough," You use animal products intentionally and needlessly. You're not vegan and you don't practice veganism. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Animal_product An is any material derived from the body of an animal. Examples are "fat," flesh, blood, milk, eggs, and lesser known products, such as isinglass and rennet. Fat - tallow There is nothing more to say. You're a liar and a hypocrite.
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@lukeh8056 "Do you think my commenting on YouTube videos creates the demand for more animals to die for tallow. Yes or no?" Yes. You and the many others like you that lie about being vegan that make comments, videos, and accounts on youtube increase the infrastructure required for upkeep. We are talking millions of users. Now you may be the change you always pretended to be. Close your account and stop using animal products intentionally and needlessly that you can avoid. That way you can stop being a lying hypocrite.
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@lukeh8056 Asked and answered. Seriously. Are you in such denial that you can't just admit you're a liar and a hypocrite? Either keep on replying and proving you're a piece of human trash or start practicing what you preach and quit using animal products intentionally and needlessly.
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@lukeh8056 Pass. Like I said. Seriously. Are you in such denial that you can't just admit you're a liar and a hypocrite? Either keep on replying and proving you're a piece of human trash or start practicing what you preach and quit using animal products intentionally and needlessly. You're never ending search for a justification to your intentional and needless use of animal products is something you should seek on your own. I am not your mommy. I am someone pointing out your endless lies and hypocrisy.
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@lukeh8056 I know. You refuse to admit you're a liar and a hypocrite. I don't have to answer your questions either.
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@lukeh8056 That's convenient. If the only way you will accept facts are being held up by a word that doesn't make sense like "mafe" then you again prove you're unable to handle the truth.
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@lukeh8056 Since you passed on admitting you're in fact a liar and hypocrite while justifying your continued use of animal products this whole time you should have passed a long time ago.
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@lukeh8056 " again, not admitting due to your lack of evidence. Cheers though" Again, you mean you're not admitting due to your endless justifications for continuing to use animal products intentionally and needlessly.
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@lukeh8056 " again, not admitting due to your lack of evidence. Cheers though" Again, you mean you're not admitting due to your endless justifications for continuing to use animal products intentionally and needlessly.
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@lukeh8056 "It takes 8lb of plants to make 1lb of beef so wanna reduce the plant suffering, eat plants." Disingenuous argument. Animals don't eat the plant parts that humans eat. The great majority of livestock eat what's left after industry is done with it. Corn, soy, barley, flax, and wheat are great examples of this. Humans already consume nearly 70% of crops grown world wide. Besides, you're just another narrative spinning hypocrite that doesn't even adhere to your own babble. Whining at others to post links for websites that you know exist is just you trying to force extra steps into an argument so you can derail it and name call your betters. Edit: And you ignored me because you can't refute me. Very typical.
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@lukeh8056 "are you saying it's okay to eat item X when you know they feel pain despite there being option Y where you're unsure???" Don't you still use products made with the same dead animals? Why is it okay for you?
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@IPandaa99 If they eat or use animal products they are not vegans. This fits everyone on the internet claiming to be vegan.
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@lukeh8056 He is right. To be vegan a person can't eat or use animal products. Everyone uses animal products.
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@NoInjusticeLastsForever You use products made with the same dead animals. The mental gymnastics you do so you can pretend to be vegan is beyond hilarious.
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@BoshSoldierCarp "Veganism is doing all you practically can to reduce animal suffering." It's possible and practicable to stop using many things everyone uses needlessly. The people claiming to practice veganism use animal products needlessly for entertainment. "also the vast majority of crops are grown to feed livestock" 100% of crops are grown for human consumption directly or indirectly. The majority of livestock feed is inedible to humans in the form of industry waste and different types of grass. No need for you to continue pushing this propaganda. "I don't eat any animal product from a farm or anywhere else though." You use animal products needlessly for entertainment while pushing lies and propaganda on normal people who do the same. Pure hypocrisy.
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@BoshSoldierCarp "you're making things up again Janie. Bending the truth and adding fiction." You're lying. Fact - It's possible and practicable to stop using many things everyone uses needlessly. Fact - The people claiming to practice veganism use animal products needlessly for entertainment. Fact - 100% of crops are grown for human consumption directly or indirectly. Fact - The majority of livestock feed is inedible to humans in the form of industry waste and different types of grass. Fact - You use animal products needlessly for entertainment while pushing lies and propaganda on normal people who do the same. Fact - Pure hypocrisy. (hypocrisy - the practice of claiming to have moral standards or beliefs to which one's own behavior does not conform.) I accept your concession.
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@BoshSoldierCarp "4 of your 6 facts are opinions and the other 2 can be disputed." And still can't do it....You're making things up again. I accept your concession.
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@BoshSoldierCarp "I'm not debating you Janie." Because you can't. Facts win again. "You're not here in good faith so it is pointless." Says the person spouting actual propaganda. I accept your concession.
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@vikramk6212 "Do you even read the shit that flies out your mouth?" You know he is typing right? Why is it okay for you to use animal products? Why are you berating others for doing the same things you do?
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@lukeh8056 "Please explain" Easy. Vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or use animal products. Everyone currently living on the planet eats and/or uses animal products. That was simple.
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