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Comments by "Janie Swanson" (@janieswanson2549) on "Is Eating Animals Wrong? Hunters vs Vegans | Middle Ground" video.

@Derizo "animal murder" Murder is uniquely human and illegal. Livestock are not human and slaughter is illegal. You're appealing to emotions. Why do you use animal products intentionally and needlessly for entertainment? I know you won't answer this directly and honestly, but I want others to see your moral hypocrisy. I predict you won't answer the question, you will go into denial, you will ask which animal products proving you don't do any research, and/or you will use a doctrine as a justification for using animal products needlessly for entertainment.
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@Derizo It was ranked 4th out of the top 5 diets and is the only diet that requires supplements to actually be healthy. They have since retracted their position. In another comment you whine about how hunters should use what "nature" gave them. Nature did not make lab tested supplements.....
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@sapnaabbasi4864 The science isn't settled on if plants feel pain or not. We just know it isn't similar to humans. People claiming to be vegan just look for any excuse to justify their personal use of animal products. Morals, ethics, etc....all hypocrisy.
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@lukeh8056 " eating meat causes more suffering than the alternative, eating plants. " Making things up is not an argument. Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment pleasure while pretending to be against it?
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The people claiming to be vegan weren't vegan in the first place so they automatically lost the debate by lying.
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Someone is uniquely human. The true colors of your argument are shown when you start using appeals to emotion. Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while pretending to be against it? No worries, I know you won't answer this simple fact based question honestly and factually. I just like outing people who don't practice what they preach.
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Some people need so much attention in their life that they must identify as something more than just normal.
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Maybe more people would respect people claiming to be vegan like yourself if you stopped lying about being vegan. You literally use animal products needlessly for entertainment. That's not something an actual vegan would do.
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@Derizo Comparing dining to human mutilation is an appeal to emotion fallacy. They are not comparable as a human is worth more than livestock/wild animals.
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@Derizo Two replies? Unable to keep your thoughts together? "Not a comparison, it is to show you that there exists a case where something being immoral is not overridden by the fact that it is cultural" Still comparing humans to livestock/wild animals. Still an appeal to emotion. "also since you're here, did you ever find a source for your outrageous claims of animal products inside technology?" Answered 3 days ago. You haven't responded in that other comment.
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Crystal Phoenix You're confusing the adjective with the noun. A "vegan" (noun) person is not a "vegan" (adjective) diet. Edited for someone who doesn't understand context.
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Crystal Phoenix Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while acting like you're against it?
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@Derizo It was ranked 4th out of the top 5 diets and is the only diet that requires supplements to actually be healthy. That claim has been redacted because it wasn't true. In another comment you whine about how hunters should use what "nature" gave them. Nature did not make lab tested supplements.....
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You didn't change to veganism. You changed your diet. The two aren't the same thing. You still use animal products needlessly for entertainment.
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@Derizo It was ranked 4th out of the top 5 diets and is the only diet that requires supplements to actually be healthy. That position has been redacted. In another comment you whine about how hunters should use what "nature" gave them. Nature did not make lab tested supplements.....
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@Deltasource Everyone here uses animal products from cows and pigs. Everyone here claiming to be against it is just doing it for attention.
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chock (verb) - prevent the forward movement of (a wheel or vehicle) with a chock. Maybe a "sammich" in your country means vehicle? Not sure how it runs on bacon.
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@stevebenthall7586 choke* is the word you were looking for. chock* is a completely different word with a completely different meaning.
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@xrystofersoule5119 Which part was too hard to understand?
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Budwig van Leethoven Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while pretending to be against it? I know you won't answer honestly because it proves you're just a fraud.
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"but i do eat meat" So you're not vegan. Is youtube your cultural practice? Youtube's servers are made with animal products.
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@Fek Lar And yet you use animal products needlessly for entertainment..... I guess you just like to spew your hypocrisy all over the place.
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@eliasbostrom5131 You didn't answer his question and you aren't vegan. Why do you use animal products intentionally and needlessly for entertainment while pretending to be vegan? I know you won't answer this question directly and truthfully, I just want anyone reading to see your moral hypocrisy. I predict you will ignore the question, go into denial, ask me which animal products proving you don't do your own research, and/or use a doctrine as justification for using animal products needlessly for entertainment.
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@sapnaabbasi4864 Use your words. Be an adult.
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@sapnaabbasi4864 "People who do that are vegetarian." Exactly. Not vegan at all. "Vegan are People Who Dont eat Meat and Niether use any Products made out of animals" Exactly. We agree. Everyone living in the modern world uses animal products. You, me, everyone. Glad you totally agree with me that no one is vegan. "I have never seen any vegan do that Because Of Morals or ethics???" Me either. Because vegans don't exist. Glad we can agree. Thanks for understanding.
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@Isaacsworlds Sure it is from a logical perspective. Let's use you as an example. You don't want people to use animal products right? Yet, you use animal products for convenience and entertainment just like everyone else. So the only real difference from that point of view is your virtue signaling.
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@Isaacsworlds " animals and plants are not the same thing" I never said they were. "a plant doesn’t think , feel or have a conscious" I never said they do. Although it has proven they have reactions to certain stimuli. Funny how you evaded what I said and instead attacked strawmen. Sure it is from a logical perspective. Let's use you as an example. You don't want people to use animal products right? Yet, you use animal products for convenience and entertainment just like everyone else. So the only real difference from that point of view is your virtue signaling. You see, I addressed the perspective instead of just spewing inane babble. Try again.
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@tsarina24honolulu87 Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while pretending to be against it?
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@tsarina24honolulu87 Which part of the factual question was too hard to answer?
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@tsarina24honolulu87 You use animal products from the same animals that I do. I guess you're admitting to the enjoyment of hurting animals. Is that you're answer since I asked why you use animal products needlessly for entertainment?
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@tsarina24honolulu87 "I don't." Then how did you comment? Try again. Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while pretending to be against it?
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@Derizo You're making things up. According to the FAO most plants are consumed by humans. (nearly 97%) Livestock feed is made up of inedible to humans byproducts from the ethanol, tobacco, soybean oil, biodiesel, palm oil, etc industries.
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You're not vegan. You use animal products needlessly for entertainment. No need to lie.
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@Vynn W Wild animals don't carry guns. So not possible.
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Puppy soup? Tell your tribe that the people in charge have too many chromosomes. Puppies didn't even exist over there until Europeans showed up.
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@gabrielkesshinsanchez9139 Pups...not puppies. And back then they were called wolf cubs.
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@advancedorange4818 Why are you telling others to do what you're unwilling to do? That's hypocritical.
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@funkytoenailhi1590 People like him don't really care about the facts. They enjoy virtue signaling and making others believe they care more about animals than anyone else. It reality he uses animal products cut from the same dead animals that everyone else uses for entertainment and virtue signaling.
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@Derizo Humans have made it here by exploiting our nature given intelligence. We use tools, can set traps, and document information so later generations can use and improve upon those tools. Why do you use animal products intentionally and needlessly for entertainment while acting like you're against it? I know you won't answer this directly and honestly, but I want others to see your moral hypocrisy. I predict you won't answer the question, you will go into denial, you will ask which animal products proving you don't do any research, and/or you will use a doctrine as a justification for using animal products needlessly for entertainment.
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You say we have no right....then why do you use animal products needlessly for things like entertainment? I know you won't answer this directly and honestly, but I want others to see your moral hypocrisy. I predict you won't answer the question, you will go into denial, you will ask which animal products proving you don't do any research, and/or you will use a doctrine as a justification for using animal products needlessly for entertainment.
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 Crystal Phoenix Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while pretending to be against it? I know you won't answer honestly because it proves you're just a fraud.
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Budwig van Leethoven Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while pretending to be against it? I know you won't answer honestly because it proves you're just a fraud.
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@advancedorange4818 Contradiction. Humans are animals.
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@advancedorange4818 "However we agree that killing someone is immoral" someone - an unknown or unspecified person; some person. Livestock aren't a someone. They aren't human. You're appealing to emotions by conflating the two. If you're against animal suffering then why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment? I know you won't answer this question directly and truthfully, I just want anyone reading to see your moral hypocrisy. I predict you will ignore the question, go into denial, ask me which animal products proving you don't do your own research, and/or use a doctrine as justification for using animal products needlessly for entertainment.
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@advancedorange4818 "I already answered the question." No you lied and defended yourself with an excuse instead of answering. "I said something like : "When being vegan I abuse animals less than if I was not vegan" You're not vegan. You use animal products. You're lying. "I never stated that I don't use any animal products, I will say that I use less animal products than you do." Have proof? Of course you don't. You're making things up about me. "I care about sentient animals because they can feel pain." This demonstrates you're moral hypocrisy. You literally use animal products intentionally and needlessly for entertainment. "I've found no other way to care about dogs and cows without being a hypocrite. " You don't have to lie or be a hypocrite to reduce harm. The fact you believe that lying and hypocrisy are required to reduce harm just proves me right. "Both are sentient." And you use animal products intentionally and needlessly for entertainment. I accept your concession based on the fact you still can't answer a simple question and have admitted to being a hypocrite.
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@hafizmuizz7269 It's funny that you're reduced to following me around and name calling because you were proven a liar and a hypocrite. Thanks for the win and your concession.
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@hafizmuizz7269 Still can't answer a simple question or prove your false accusations against me? You even deleted your comment because you lost. I win again as usual. I accept your ongoing concession.
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@hafizmuizz7269 Still can't answer a simple question or prove your false accusations against me? You even deleted your comment because you lost. I win again as usual. I accept your ongoing concession.
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@hafizmuizz7269 "Lying again" Your comment was deleted. It is gone. Thanks for admitting that you're lying again. I win so easily. Your concession is as usual accepted.
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@hafizmuizz7269 "Youre lying again, never have I ever deleted my comments," And yet the comment isn't there.....it's deleted. "thus the only reason why its not there because you false reported it" You're lying. I didn't report any of your comments. Prove I did or you automatically admit to being a liar. I win as always. I accept your ongoing concession.
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@Derizo You're making things up. According to the FAO most plants are consumed by humans. (nearly 97%) Livestock feed is made up of inedible to humans byproducts from the ethanol, tobacco, soybean oil, biodiesel, palm oil, etc industries.
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You literally use animal products needlessly for entertainment. You're just as "vegan" as everyone else on the planet.
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@liberationtoday8968 You literally use animal products cut from the same dead animals that normal people use. "Both can survive and no one has to get hurt." Blatant lie. If everyone on the planet stopped eat and using animal products, livestock would either starve or be killed. No farmer is going to pay to feed hundreds of animals he can't sell. "So why unnecessarily take their life from them?" Answer your own question. You use animal products just like everyone else. I guess hypocrisy is a common theme among people who claim to be vegan.
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None of those people you named are vegan.
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@racingsuspicion9011 None of those people you named are vegan.
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@xrystofersoule5119 Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while pretending to be against it?
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Crystal Phoenix A "vegan" is a person who does not eat or use animal products. Since no one like that exists in our modern world it can be reasonably assumed that they don't do it.
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Crystal Phoenix noun - a person who does not eat or use animal products. adjective - eating, using, or containing no food or other products derived from animals. Glad I could help you. Anything else or do you want to continue making yourself look bad?
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Crystal Phoenix It took you 3 replies to not be able to refute me? I didn't give the definition of eating or diet. "Vegan" is the adjective when included in a diet and the definition I gave you. No wonder you're so wrong. Anything else?
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Crystal Phoenix I didn't...you're lying. Both definitions given are of the word "vegan." Thanks for proving you can't refute me and have no argument. I accept your ongoing concession.
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Crystal Phoenix I never defined "eating" or "diet." I defined the word "vegan" with both its noun and adjective. Before that I proved you didn't know the difference between a noun and a adjective. Read what I typed yesterday. Thanks for another easy win and your ongoing concession.
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Crystal Phoenix Yep. I edited so you could read it with context clues that you couldn't understand from the two comments before. If you read my comment in context like most adults can then you wouldn't have ran into that problem. Thanks for the win and your concession since you can't refute me.
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@Fek Lar You advocate for eating plants. You even eat water hemlock? What does deadly nightshade taste like?
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@advancedorange4818 12 calories of industry waste. Why are you telling others to do what you're unwilling to do?
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Cool story. Whining about what caused the problem in the past doesn't solve the issue of overpopulation in the present.
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@DillonBrookussy The animals that are in the field when they are planted, tilled, fertilized, combined, etc... do feel that pain. Rather bold of you to claim they don't feel pain since it still being researched. We know they adapt/react to stimuli but it hasn't been proven scientifically whether or not they feel some type of pain. I guess you make things up to suit your narrative...typical.
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@thewiseowl8804 They claim to be vegan when they literally use animal products. They derive more worth from the claim than the actual practice.
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Crystal Phoenix Yes. Humans hunted the natural predators to make the area safe. That's why overpopulation of animals like deer are a problem. Do you ever research?
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Crystal Phoenix Yep...so just like the original comment claimed. Thanks for admitting you were wrong. I accept your concession.
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@jackvue722 Yep. I don't have a problem with hunting. I don't know why you replied to me.
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@Fek Lar Not a single one of those people are vegan. They all use animal products needlessly. Try again.
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@Derizo You're making things up. According to the FAO most plants are consumed by humans. (nearly 97%) Livestock feed is made up of inedible to humans byproducts from the ethanol, tobacco, soybean oil, biodiesel, palm oil, etc industries.
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This is hilarious coming from you.... You literally use animal products needlessly for entertainment while pushing your moralistic hypocrisy.
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The OREO website claims there is a possibility of cross contact with dairy.
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@starstenaal527 You do know there is plenty of raw meat dishes around the world right? Carpaccio. Kitfo Koi soi Ossenworst Pittsburgh rare Tartare Yukhoe Just a few examples....
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@Fek Lar And you use their products just like everyone else here. Where do you think electronics manufacturers get their animal based stearic acid, gelatin, and bones? Just making a comment proves you use animal products needlessly for entertainment. Congrats, you're a hypocrite.
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@starstenaal527 "Yeah nothing wrong with that statement." Except it is wrong. Deer overpopulation is a direct result of removing their natural predators.
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@starstenaal527 You're free to dance around the fact. The fact remains.... Deer overpopulation is a direct result of removing their natural predators.
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@starstenaal527 "I don't disagree." Then actually stop disagreeing with me. Deer don't overpopulate because their land is taken. They overpopulate because they don't have natural predators. No need for you to continue making things up.
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@starstenaal527 You're looking for things to connect that simply don't. No natural predators = deer overpopulation.
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@starstenaal527 I don't care about your babblings and ramblings about guns. No natural predators = deer overpopulation. Period. You claimed you didn't disagree so it's over. I am right.
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@starstenaal527 I don't care about your babblings and ramblings about guns. No natural predators = deer overpopulation. Period. You claimed you didn't disagree so it's over. I am right.
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@starstenaal527 Getting triggered I see. "You didn't adress my points so it's over." Not possible. "adress" is not a word. Deer overpopulate because of a lack of natural predators. Land has nothing to do with it as they over populate on their own. I am not sure why you are so mad about this that you have to mock me. I guess it's because my words are effective so you try to copy them. Thanks for the win and your concession.
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@starstenaal527 "I just copied your comment and changed some words." Hence the mocking.... "Yes" Thanks for agreeing with me again. Everything is irrelevant. "Oh, when did that happen?" When you decided to mock me instead of refuting me. Thanks again for the win and your concession.
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@starstenaal527 And you didn't refute me the first time. Deer overpopulation happens when the natural predators are removed and has nothing to do with the land they are on. For your comments to be right you only need to prove that overpopulation doesn't happen in protected areas. You can't because it happens everywhere regardless. You were wrong and continue to be wrong. I can not be refuted as I am using facts. Not sure why you are so keen on making things up and introducing guns as they are irrelevant. We all use animal products needlessly. No need to push propaganda.
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@starstenaal527 "I am not going to explain it again." Good....I was getting tired of the fan fiction. "You have a source for your claim that protected areas are overpopulated?" Google: "Deer overpopulation caused by" You don't need to thank me. It's a better source than ANY you have provided. You can just accept facts. Imagine whining about sources while posting none yourself....LOL Deer overpopulation exists all over where their natural predators are removed be it in rural areas or protected areas. "The gun example" Still babbling about irrelevant guns eh.... "but vegans seek to cause less suffering as far as is practical and possible." There aren't any vegans by definition. It's possible and "practicable." Practical does not exist in the definition of "vegan" or "veganism." You can stop making up fan fiction any time....you won't... "It's not about removing all suffering." It's about virtue signaling and propagandizing a religion built on lies and propaganda. No one on youtube is vegan and yet you can easily search claims made by liars and hypocrites claiming to be vegan that literally practice hypocrisy.
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@ayva1106 There is no proof plants do not feel pain as the science hasn't concluded.
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@ayva1106 "You're right." Thanks for agreeing that I am right.
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@ayva1106 "Easy choice. What sadistic person chooses obvious suffering over possible unproven suffering?" You, me, and everyone else. You use animal products cut from the same dead animals that normal people use. Seems like you should go work on yourself instead of worrying about what everyone else does or continue being a hypocrite.
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@ayva1106 You claim vegans don't use animal products. Electronics are made with animal products. So you're saying there are no vegans on the internet.
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@ayva1106 Go check the MSDS site. Intel and AMD both list animal based stearic acid and animal based bone char as products used in manufacture. Thanks for your concession and proof that you're a liar. You changed your story to fit a new narrative.
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Why are animals that eat wrong? Why are you against animals eating? Do you want them to starve?
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Crystal Phoenix Nothing apparently. Moral/Ethical inconsistency is pretty much normal for anyone who claims to be "vegan."
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@Derizo "we would still not be justified in murdering them" Murder is uniquely human and illegal. Livestock are not human and slaughter is illegal. You're appealing to emotions. Why do you use animal products intentionally and needlessly for entertainment? I know you won't answer this directly and honestly, but I want others to see your moral hypocrisy. I predict you won't answer the question, you will go into denial, you will ask which animal products proving you don't do any research, and/or you will use a doctrine as a justification for using animal products needlessly for entertainment.
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@starstenaal527 "Same goes for slavery." You're conflating human slavery with animal husbandry? Appeal to emotion. Livestock aren't human. "Slavery is just an example of something that is wrong and we stopped doing it despite the fact that we did it for a long time." Poor example as it conflates humans with livestock.
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@DillonBrookussy The animals that are in the field when they are planted, tilled, fertilized, combined, etc... do feel that pain. Rather bold of you to claim they don't feel pain since it still being researched. We know they adapt/react to stimuli but it hasn't been proven scientifically whether or not they feel some type of pain. I guess you make things up to suit your narrative...typical.
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Why do you use products cut from dead animals needlessly for entertainment while claiming it is wrong? I know you won't answer this directly and honestly, but I want others to see your moral hypocrisy. I predict you won't answer the question, you will go into denial, you will ask which animal products proving you don't do any research, and/or you will use a doctrine as a justification for using animal products needlessly for entertainment.
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@xrystofersoule5119 Ask yourself. You literally use animal products needlessly for entertainment from the same animals.
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@Derizo You're making things up. According to the FAO most plants are consumed by humans. (nearly 97%) Livestock feed is made up of inedible to humans byproducts from the ethanol, tobacco, soybean oil, biodiesel, palm oil, etc industries.
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Leftism...not even once.
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And learning how to spell privilege is a privilege.
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Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while whining at normal people for doing the same thing? I know you won't answer this question directly and truthfully, I just want anyone reading to see your moral hypocrisy. I predict you will ignore the question, go into denial, ask me which animal products proving you don't do your own research, and/or use a doctrine as justification for using animal products needlessly for entertainment.
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@rbbiefah I guess you evaded the question and decided to preach about Jesus. Thanks for proving your moral hypocrisy by evading the question. I accept your concession.
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@Fek Lar Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while claiming other races shouldn't be using them? I know you won't answer this directly and honestly, but I want others to see your moral hypocrisy. I predict you won't answer the question, you will go into denial, you will ask which animal products proving you don't do any research, and/or you will use a doctrine as a justification for using animal products needlessly for entertainment.
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@Fek Lar "I don't use any animal products where an alternative exists" The alternative to using some of the animal products you use is simply not using them. "I'm vegan, that's the whole point." You're not vegan. You use animal products needlessly for entertainment. You're just a liar and a hypocrite who uses animal products while whining at normal people who do the same thing. Thanks for proving you can't answer a simple question. Your concession is accepted.
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@Fek Lar 3 days later and not a peep. Thanks for the win and your concession.
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@mrstilton2654 "We use more plants for feeding 40 billion slaughter animals per year than the plants needed for human consumption anyway." This is either a lie or proof of ignorance. 100% of crops are for human consumption. Livestock get the inedible leftovers, overstock, contaminated, and byproducts.
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@mrstilton2654 So you didn't know that inedible to human livestock feed is waste products of the ethanol, biodiesel, palm oil, tobacco, beer, etc... industries? Look up an example and get back to me. Corn gluten meal, corn gluten feed, and corn germ. < This is just inedible to humans livestock feed from ethanol waste. Thanks for continuing to prove your ignorance.
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@mrstilton2654 "this has nothing to do with your claim that 100% of crops are for human consumption" It's a fact. 100% of all crops are for human consumption be it directly or indirectly. How many crops do you think humans grow that they just throw away for fun? LOL "besides you contradicting yourself" Never happened. "if they have leftovers then that reduces your 100% human consumption." Which are still given to livestock as feed to be later used as....HUMAN CONSUMPTION. Glad I could educate the slow people. "I'm pointing out that grass crops also get eaten and is the largest crop." .....wow. 3 times. I will just cut and paste. Which are still given to livestock as feed to be later used as....HUMAN CONSUMPTION. "If we didn't eat animals, there would be less crops eaten." And more crop waste filling landfills causing more methane and carbon dioxide emissions than the farms animals produce currently. Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while pretending to be vegan?
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@mrstilton2654 So just more babble without refuting me and can't answer a simple question. I accept your concession.
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@stevebenthall7586 I am just board and wonted to half a laff.
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@jeffreymeent9839 You use animal products from the same animals that everyone else does. Maybe worry about what you do before preaching to your betters.
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@Derizo You're making things up. According to the FAO most plants are consumed by humans. (nearly 97%) Livestock feed is made up of inedible to humans byproducts from the ethanol, tobacco, soybean oil, biodiesel, palm oil, etc industries.
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@SamuPuuronen Because no one practices veganism. They claim they do while using animal products needlessly that are possible and practicable to avoid. Just a bunch of virtue signaling liars and hypocrites spreading cult like propaganda.
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@jakedickson2311 "If you have no issue, then why not become vegan." Can't become vegan in the modern world. "Veganism is a personal choice which stabilises your core values, and positive environmental impacts are a side factor. " And? You don't even practice veganism... "Who cares what some hardline vegans say or do?" No such thing. "It’s not a religion or cult, just a lifestyle that anyone can chose." It is very much like a cult. "However, it is a fact that it is impossible to justify your meat eating habits in terms of ethics and morality." You use products made with the same dead animals that everyone else uses. Why is it okay for you?
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The animals that are in the field when they are planted, tilled, fertilized, combined, etc... do feel that pain. Rather bold of you to claim they don't feel pain since it still being researched. We know they adapt/react to stimuli but it hasn't been proven scientifically whether or not they feel some type of pain. I guess you make things up to suit your narrative...typical.
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They weren't vegan. They automatically lost by lying and being hypocrites.
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@xrystofersoule5119 Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while pretending to be against it?
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@charichariplayz7405 Notice how he evades the simple question? Answering that question is impossible for people claiming to be vegan.
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@xrystofersoule5119 You evaded again... You use animal products. Fact. You do so needlessly. Fact. You do so for entertainment. Fact. You pretend to be against it. Fact. Seems like a fact based question to me.
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@xrystofersoule5119 You evaded again. So you're claiming you don't use animal products for entertainment needlessly?
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@xrystofersoule5119 Intel and AMD are made with animal based stearic acid and animal based activated charcoal. Now answer the question.
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@xrystofersoule5119 Read your first comment. Contradiction and hypocrisy. Thanks for the win and your concession.
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@xrystofersoule5119 And here you are using animal products again needlessly for entertainment while evading my question. Thanks for the win and your concession.
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@xrystofersoule5119 No I am stating that you intentionally and needlessly use animal products every time you comment. It's a fact and you can't refute it so you're moving the goalposts. You still haven't answered the question. I accept this as your final concession since you refuse to answer a simple question.
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@xrystofersoule5119 Already accepted your final concession since you continue to evade the simple question. Thanks for the win. It's over.
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@xrystofersoule5119 Still no answer? Thanks for continuing to show anyone reading why I automatically win.
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@xrystofersoule5119 Still no answer. Thanks for the win and your unlimited concessions.
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@xrystofersoule5119 You're free to argue against strawmen and things I never said all you like. You're not vegan if you use animal products. You don't practice veganism if you use animal products that are possible and practicable to avoid. Both facts and both irrefutable. Now go whine about your imaginary forest elsewhere. I never mentioned one. I don't care about livestock. No one here is vegan since they use animal products every time they comment. Hope that clears up the last of your confusion. As usual you didn't answer the very simple question and I accept your strawman as your final concession.
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@xrystofersoule5119 I don't know what the woods has to do with anything. You're the only one mentioning it. It is possible and practicable to stop making comments using servers that are easily avoidable. Just debunked you and won the argument again.
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@Deltasource You're making things up. It well documented that herbivorous animals eat other animals from time to time.
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@Deltasource Can you name a few of these herbivores that have "NEVER" been seen eating anything other than plants?
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@Deltasource Elephants 5% diet consists of insects, grubs, and sometimes bird eggs. Giraffe 3% diet consists of insects on the plants they eat. I guess you don't know what "NEVER" means. never (adverb) - at no time in the past or future; on no occasion; not ever. I accept your concession because you made things up.
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@Deltasource You made the original claim. You need to show a citation to prove herbivores "NEVER" eat insects. Funny that you're trying to shift your burden of proof to me. I already accepted your concession because you made things up and now you're trying to shift the burden of proof. Thanks for proving you have no argument. I accept your ongoing concession.
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@Derizo You're making things up. According to the FAO most plants are consumed by humans. (nearly 97%) Livestock feed is made up of inedible to humans byproducts from the ethanol, tobacco, soybean oil, biodiesel, palm oil, etc industries.
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@Fek Lar Sure there are reasons. People want to. People like to. It's the culture. It's tradition. It's cheaper. There is 5 reasons. reason - a cause, explanation, or justification for an action or event.
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@Derizo It is ranked 4th out of the top 5 diets and is the only diet that requires supplements to actually be healthy. In another comment you whine about how hunters should use what "nature" gave them. Nature did not make lab tested supplements.....
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"So, by that logic" Your logic is flawed and incomplete. Cows, chickens, and pigs eat the byproducts of industry. 97% of livestock feed is inedible to humans, with the remaining being overstock, contaminated, expired, etc.. grains. It comes from the ethanol, biodiesel, soybean oil, palm oil, etc.... industries. Try again. Try to look at all of the facts instead of making things up when you don't know.
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@mirandaburke3331 They aren't grown to feed animals. They are grown for human interests. Like I already said and you failed to read. It comes from the ethanol, biodiesel, soybean oil, palm oil, etc.... industries. In the 90's crops were grown directly for animals. But now over 97% are grown for humans and the animals only get the byproducts of industry. Anything else?
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Budwig van Leethoven The majority of those crops go to human industry to make things like beer, ethanol, palm oil, soybean oil, etc.. Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while pretending to be against it?
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@alien6824 That is a misconception pushed by plant based propagandists. The majority of livestock feed is inedible to humans. Hay, ethanol waste, palm oil waste, soybean oil waste, etc..
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@Fek Lar You people often whine about semantics when others make factual statements you can't refute. Always great seeing a liar claiming to be vegan get beaten by facts. You literally use animal products just like everyone else here.
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Crystal Phoenix Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while acting like you're against it?
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@younglittlejae Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while making that claim?
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Crystal Phoenix Animal based stearic acid and animal based activated carbon. You evaded the simple question again. I accept your concession.
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@younglittlejae Can't answer a simple question? I accept your concession.
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Crystal Phoenix Reduced to personal attacks because you can't answer a simple question? Thanks for the win and your ongoing concession.
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@Derizo "we would still not be justified in murdering them" Murder is uniquely human and illegal. Livestock are not human and slaughter is illegal. You're appealing to emotions. Why do you use animal products intentionally and needlessly for entertainment? I know you won't answer this directly and honestly, but I want others to see your moral hypocrisy. I predict you won't answer the question, you will go into denial, you will ask which animal products proving you don't do any research, and/or you will use a doctrine as a justification for using animal products needlessly for entertainment.
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It's most likely impossible to find someone like that who actually practices what they preach. Since animal products exist in devices they would have to forego them. I doubt empty sterile caves have internet access.
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@rowanpotato9816 You're making things up. The word "practical" does not exist in the actual definition. It's both "possible and practicable" to stop making comments here on this entertainment platform made with animal products. Try again. Try facts instead of making things up.
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Why do you claim to be vegan when you literally use animal products needlessly for entertainment? I know you won't answer this directly and honestly, but I want others to see your moral hypocrisy. I predict you won't answer the question, you will go into denial, you will ask which animal products proving you don't do any research, and/or you will use a doctrine as a justification for using animal products needlessly for entertainment.
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All of the people claiming to be vegan are just lying for attention. None of them are actually vegan.
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"There are millions of vegans that are normal dudes." This isn't true. You're making things up.
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@advancedorange4818 Which sentence do you not understand?
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