Comments by "Janie Swanson" (@janieswanson2549) on "It’s Obvious We’re Omnivores but Vegans and Carnivores Won’t Listen" video.

  1.  @alexndg5260  If you actually believed all the junk you're spewing you would be vegan.
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  2. We are biologically omnivores.
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  3.  @alexndg5260  I made a comment. You could have responded numerous ways. You chose to respond in the most inane way possible. I didn't explain a position. If you can't understand that then it's not worth the time nor the crayons to explain it to you. Go back to spewing trash.
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  4.    So ad hominem and straw man? Is that really the best you got? Ed isn't vegan. He uses animal products. He lies about being vegan to get money from subs and donations. Anything else or just more lies, straw men, and ad hominem attacks?
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  5. Humans are omnivores. It's literally a scientific fact. To say otherwise is science denial.
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  6. Steve Jobs believed his diet would help him cure his cancer. He was right. His cancer is gone.
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  7. There are no "legit vegan" or "legit carnivore" doctors.
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  8.  @alexndg5260  It means "If you actually believed all the junk you're spewing you would be vegan. "
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  9.  @blakeniles3622  "There is no way to kill an animal that doesn’t want or need to die. Humans can thrive on plants (and break Olympic world records). It’s all for pleasure." If you truly believed this you would be vegan.
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  10. Ed is just a grifter. No need to have a proven liar on the show.
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  11.    Another 2 replies? Are you so triggered that you can't keep your thoughts together? More ad hominem attacks. Predictable. It is easy to see he isn't vegan. Vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or use animal products. He uses animal products to record, edit, and upload his videos. Electronics are made with animal products. Tallow - makes hardened plastic less brittle / more refined it is used in the LCD displays. Bones - used to purify silicon for glass and processors. Gelatin - used in batteries. Anything else or are you just going to resort to name calling because you're mad that I am right and you're wrong?
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  12.    So 2 more comments with more ad hominem attacks without refutation? I expected as much. You people get so upset when someone proves you wrong. I guessed right. You did resort to more name calling because you're mad that I am right.
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  13.    Why would anyone bother substantiating anything when you're nothing but spewing hatred and spamming replies with vitriol?
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  14. The fact that we were eating animals long before cooked meat became a thing proves you're an idiot. IMO
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  15.  @sarastewart5526  Yep. Thanks for the easy win.
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  16.  @ND-gb3dd  So you come to Joe's video to call him an idiot but no one is allowed to see you actually make an idiot of yourself? That's funny.
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  17.  @ND-gb3dd  Ahh, I get it now. You're mad that Joe talks about things you know little about. Vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or use animal products. You use animal products intentionally and needlessly every time you comment. Smart phones, computers, routers, and servers are made with and/or contain animal products from the same animals normal people eat. You're not vegan. You're just a typical virtue signaling liar and hypocrite.
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  18. Prove it. Show the paycheck.
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  19. "Vegans don't deny that humans are omnivores" Scroll through the comments and you will see people saying that humans aren't omnivores. Most recently: E DAWG 1 hour ago Humans=Herbivores "they usually have moral/ecological arguments" All hypocritical. Don't eat meat.....but it's okay to use asphalt, smart phones, routers, servers, refrigerators, microwaves, carpet, televisions, etc etc. The same people that whine about eating animals use parts indiscriminately from those same animals for convenience, fun, and hobbies. People claiming to be vegan are just virtue signaling attention seekers.
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  20.  @alexndg5260  "it is not more ethical atvall, sorry to burst your bubble :/" Just an example. That isn't a fact. That is an opinion. You're not even vegan. Stop trying so hard.
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  21.  @alexndg5260  "when the foremost experts in the field of economics," Appeal to authority. Morality is subjective. So you're a leftist? That explains your complete disregard for logic. Are you even vegan?
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  22.  @blakeniles3622  No I never justified that. You built a straw man to argue against. "and When its time to upgrade my phone I’ll look for alternatives." Smart phones, computers, routers, servers, refrigerators, asphalt roads, microwaves, drywall, carpet, etc etc. The list is millions of products long and you use several of them. It is not just gelatin. It is bones and fat as well. "Nobody can prevent themselves from say accidentally running over an ant on the sidewalk..." I never even brought up ants. I am talking about cows and pigs. Actual mammals. Wow you are trying your best to justify using animal products while lying about being vegan. That is hilarious. "Do you get what I’m saying? It’s completely silly and a cop out." Were you looking in the mirror when you typed this about the ants? LOL You use tons of animal products. You're not vegan. Anything else? Try to bring something other than lies, straw men, and justifications for being a liar.
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  23. Blue whales don't have teeth at all. Where are these canines on ant eaters? Seems like our teeth evolved with us and how we killed and ate animals.....with our hands.
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  24. Yay, another dullard arguing we are herbivores.
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  25. Still omnivores.
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  26.  @brianjacob8728  Evolutionarily, humans come from omnivores. Apes are omnivore. Humans were eating animals long before cooked meat was on the menu.
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  27.  @brianjacob8728  They are omnivores. Frugivores are just a sub class of omnivore. The amount is irrelevant. They are classified omnivores. Comparing chimp diets to gluttony diets is just a red herring.
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  28.  @brianjacob8728  "Bullshit. Frugivores eat fruits." "The variety of different animals that are classified as omnivores can be placed into further sub-categories depending on their feeding behaviors. Frugivores include maned wolves and orangutans;[13][14] insectivores include swallows and pink fairy armadillos;[15][16] granivores include large ground finches and mice." "And picking lice of other members of the chimp assemblage and consuming them in no way equates to raising and slaugtering cows, pigs and chickens for meat." I never said it did. They eat animals. They have been seen catching piglets and eating them as well.
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  29.  @amizan8653  You use products made with the same dead animals that normal people eat for entertainment pleasure. Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment? I know you won't answer this directly and honestly, but I want others to see you're just a hypocrite. I predict you will ignore the question, go into denial, ask me which animal products (proving you don't do your own research, and/or you will justify your needless use of animal products with a doctrine.
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  30.  @youratowel97  Nope. I am not vegan nor was I ever vegan. To be vegan you can't eat or use animal products. You use animal products for convenience and fun and you won't stop. Cool that you apologized though. Thinking you can become vegan is pretty sorry.
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  31.    "because you are lying and misrepresenting what Ed stands for." Ed claims to be vegan. Vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or use animal products. Ed chooses to use animal products intentionally. "Do you know what a strawman is?" "Straw man" is two words. straw man (noun) - an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument. So not only do you not know what it is, you don't know how to spell it. "You clearly didn't take any philosophy classes " A straw man fallacy is a debate tactic and is not related to philosophy outside of normal debating. Anything else or are you going to lie some more because you're mad that I am right and you're wrong?
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  32.    "you confuse direct insults with ad hominem." You're directly insulting me instead of the argument. That is ad hominem. "Also you still haven't provided any sources for your stupid claim." Why should I when you do nothing but insult and lie? "Your argument is basically anyone who uses any electronic device is not a vegan." Electronics are made with animal products. Vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or use animal products. Anyone who uses animal products isn't vegan. "Ahahahaha where the hell did you go to school Karen? " The typical and predictable ending to your replies. More insults. I get it. You can't fathom what the facts are because you're too tied up in your phony beliefs. Very cult like behavior. Any information you don't like is attacked instead of debated. It's okay. You're just like every other virtue signaling hypocrites out there.
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  33.  @dperr338  The fact that we were eating animals long before cooked meat became a thing proves you're an idiot. IMO Still can't refute me? Humans were eating animals long before cooked meat. Can you show me the Blue Whale's sharp teeth and claws? Take your time.
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  34.  @dperr338  Still looking?
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  35.  @dperr338  Still on the hunt for a refutation? Thanks for the win.
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  36.  @sarastewart5526  "win or loose" Win or loose? Did you mean lose? "I don't cear if your better" You don't cear if I own better? Did you mean "care" and "you're?" I keep replying because you keep giving me notifications. There is no obsession. You said bye bye and yet here you are back again just to say it again? Why do you lie so much? Thanks again for the easy win.
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  37. Frugivore is a subclass of omnivore. So we are omnivores. You agree. Cool story.
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  38.  @RoCkShaDoWWaLkEr  "it is it's own class not a subset." Blatant lie. The variety of different animals that are classified as omnivores can be placed into further sub-categories depending on their feeding behaviors. Frugivores include maned wolves and orangutans; insectivores include swallows and pink fairy armadillos; granivores include large ground finches and mice.
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  39. Scroll through the comments a bit and you will see plenty of people falsely claiming humans are herbivores.
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  40. You use animal products just like everyone else. You're not vegan.
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  41. Earthling Ed is a liar and a conman. He literally lies about being vegan go get money for his videos.
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  42. Going vegan isn't possible, if it were there would be at least one person you could use as an example.
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  43.  @yaccfonoti  "I've been vegan about 3 years." And there it is. Vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or use animal products. You used animal products just to comment on youtube. Smart phones, computers, routers, and servers are made with and/or contain animal products. Thank you for outing yourself as a liar and a hypocrite. It makes my win even easier and sweeter.
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  44.  @yaccfonoti  I know that isn't what veganism means. Veganism is a different word. 🤣😂🤔 Vegan (noun) is a word that describes a person. Vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or use animal products. This is the definition that the Vegan Society petitioned Oxford University for placement in their reference. https://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/acref/9780198609810.001.0001/acref-9780198609810-e-7463 Every living person on the planet currently eats and/or uses animal products. Veganism is a doctrine that describes a lifestyle. "The word veganism shall mean the doctrine that man should live without exploiting animals." - Leslie Cross founding member of the vegan society and author of "Veganism Defined." This is the doctrine that they later made to describe a life style of avoiding animal products when possible and practicable. There is no one that actually does this because convenience is always more important than possible and practicable. "Veganism is a way of living which seeks to exclude, as far as is possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of and cruelty to animals for food, clothing and any other purpose." Notice the definition of veganism does not include the word "person" or "vegan" in any form? "way of living" = lifestyle "exclude, as far as is possible and practicable" - This includes convenience, hobbies, and fun. "all forms" - Does "all forms" mean "all forms" in your country? Maybe it just means "everything except what is inconvenient for me to stop using for the fun stuff." "any other purpose" - smart phones, routers, computers, servers, refrigerators, microwaves, asphalt roads, carpet, drywall, televisions, etc etc.....and millions more items long. Maybe learn what veganism means before making comments. 🤣😂 You may apologize for lying now. Maybe you should do some research before you blatantly lie about things you seem obviously oblivious about. Thanks for the easy win. Superpower by 2020!!!! 🤣😂🤣
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  45. They ate insects as well.
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  46. Okay? We are still omnivores.
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  47.  @wdemon85  Because we are. It scientific fact that we are omnivores. We can and do eat both plants and animals. If you want to be a science denier and claim I am wrong that's fine. I will just lump you in with flat earthers and climate change deniers.
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  48.  @wdemon85  "lol I could care less." Couldn't* "Animal based foods have been shown to promote heart disease, diabetes, cancer and obesity." Processed and in excess. Just like excess sugar can cause many problems and sugar doesn't come from animals. " Stop making excuses for your sick meat addiction." Who said I eat meat? Do you often make things up when you're wrong?
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  49.  @wdemon85  "you must be offended if you’re resorting to correcting my grammar." You must feel backed in to a corner because you're a liar and you deflect by addressing a small part of my reply. "Anyways though, sugar in any amount is unhealthy." So all plants are unhealthy. By your logic anyway. You claim meat is bad because people don't eat proper diets so plants must be unhealthy because sugar is bad. "And you said it’s a scientific fact we’re omnivores... curious as to what science says that?" Biology. More specifically genome biology.
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  50.  @wdemon85  "lol please tell me how I lied" "Especially, since science says the opposite actually." The healthiest diet happens to be an omnivorous diet according to science. " Also, its animal based protein that causes disease is what science shows." Quote the scientific article. " I’m not basing it on logic, but on science." I used your logic against you in an example of what you were saying. "Also, please explain how the biology genome science proves meat is healthy." Why would I explain something I never said or implied. Genome Biology proves humans are omnivores.
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  51.  @michaelwatts5481  "how do smart phones or microwaves come from animals?" Already answered. Actually read the reply. Bones - Used to purify silicon for glass/processors. Tallow - additive that makes hardened plastic less brittle. Gelatin - used in some adhesives and rechargeable lithium ion batteries. Do you have a reading comprehension problem? Maybe you should go upstairs and ask your parents to help you.
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  52. If you want to see an idiot go to Nairi Davidian's channel and watch that idiot fail at singing.
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  53.  @ND-gb3dd  He bashes a lifestyle no one adheres to because of convenience. Why does it bother you? You're not vegan.
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  54.  @ND-gb3dd  Veganism is a doctrine about a lifestyle and is not the definition of a person. "Veganism shall mean the doctrine that man should live without exploiting animals." - Leslie Cross founding member of the Vegan Society and author of "Veganism Defined." Vegan and veganism are different words with different definitions. Vegan (noun) is a word that describes a person. Veganism is a doctrine that describes a lifestyle. You use products that are possible and practicable to avoid intentionally and needlessly. Glad I could clear up your ignorance and failure to know about yourself. Like I said: You're not vegan. You're just a typical virtue signaling liar and hypocrite.
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  55.  @ND-gb3dd  Of course I use technology. I never lied about being vegan. I never claimed to be something I am not. Nothing to refute? Just going to throw out some babble?
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  56.  @ND-gb3dd  Me either. Because using technology means their not vegan. Vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or "USE" animal products. You use animal products. You're not vegan. You may apologize for lying now.
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  57.  @ND-gb3dd  Two comments? Triggered? Unable to keep your thoughts together on your diet? "if you can point me toward some brands that don’t use animal products, I would happily buy all my technology from them." There aren't any. That's why I know you're literally not vegan. "I will probably buy secondhand in the future" It doesn't matter if you buy it or not. It's what you "use." Vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or "USE" animal products. You use animal products every time you comment. You're not vegan. "it’s not about being perfect." And? Being vegan isn't a percentage metric. You either are vegan or you're not. Since you use animal products you're not vegan. "No one can live without harming ANY animals." So no sterile caves with a diet of cave moss in your future? "Vegans do harm much less animals than people who aren’t vegan." That's only true because vegans don't exist. Unicorns do harm much less than people who aren't vegan. "Why do you care anyway? " Just pointing out liars, hypocrites, and idiots. You happen to be all three so it works. You lied about being vegan. You were a hypocrite with your "veganism" agenda, and you're an idiot for not knowing simple facts about what you're claiming to be.
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  58.  @ND-gb3dd  You're just a person like everyone else. If you need a label to feel better about yourself I suggest a psychiatrist.
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  59. Growing our own food results in many deaths as well. Don't bring your inane arguments here.
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  60.  Erik Cnating  You're wrong. Vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or use animal products. If he was vegan he wouldn't be able to get to work, use electronics, or live in a modern home. So like I said...there are no "legit vegan" doctors.
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  61.  Erik Cnating  I'll forgive your ignorance on the subject. You have been confused by your fellow virtue signaling hypocrites and liars. It seems a lot of people don't know the difference between vegan and veganism. Vegan (noun) is a word that describes a person. Vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or use animal products. This is the definition that the Vegan Society petitioned Oxford University for placement in their reference. https://www.oxfordreference.com/view/10.1093/acref/9780198609810.001.0001/acref-9780198609810-e-7463 Every living person on the planet currently eats and/or uses animal products. Veganism is a doctrine that describes a lifestyle. "The word veganism shall mean the doctrine that man should live without exploiting animals." - Leslie Cross founding member of the vegan society and author of "Veganism Defined." This is the doctrine that they later made to describe a life style of avoiding animal products when possible and practicable. There is no one that actually does this because convenience is always more important than possible and practicable. "Veganism is a way of living which seeks to exclude, as far as is possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of and cruelty to animals for food, clothing and any other purpose." Notice the definition of veganism does not include the word "person" or "vegan" in any form? "way of living" = lifestyle "exclude, as far as is possible and practicable" - This includes convenience, hobbies, and fun. "all forms" - Does "all forms" mean "all forms" in your country? Maybe it just means "everything except what is inconvenient for me to stop using for the fun stuff." "any other purpose" - smart phones, routers, computers, servers, refrigerators, microwaves, asphalt roads, carpet, drywall, televisions, etc etc.....and millions more items long. "It's about making everyday choices that reduce our impact on animals lives." Except what you find to convenient to give up. So really it is just a way to be a hypocrite and virtue signal. For example: "I feel like getting on youtube needlessly to debate someone that is using facts against my feelings so I will just use routers and servers that were possible and practicable to avoid for fun." - you "So, yes, you can certainly be a legit vegan doctor." So, no, you can not be a "legit vegan" anything. "I look forward to your response." I look forward to your response.....please stick to the facts. You may at any time apologize for making things up and the initial insult. (since that is exactly what you did)
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  62. You're not vegan. You freely and openly use products made with the same dead animals that people eat. The rest of your argument is irrelevant and anecdotal.
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  63.  @mrcia2129  Because evolutionary is a word and evalutonary is not. Notice he edited his comment?
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  64. And we are still omnivores.
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  65. Humans were eating animals long before cooked meat. We all use animal products needlessly. I always find it odd that people whine about necessity while using animal products intentionally.
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  66. "We’re descendants from great apes, who are vegans" The great apes were omnivores and still are. Not sure where you got this fan fiction from. They eat larva and grubs in the wild.
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  67.  @blakeniles3622  Why would anyone believe you when you proudly lie? You're not vegan. Let me help you since you're either ignorant or blatantly lying. Vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or use animal products. You used products that contain animal products just to reply to me. Bones, tallow, and/or gelatin exist in modern electronics that you used just to reply to me. Now you may apologize for being a liar or thank me for clearing up your ignorance.
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  68.  @blakeniles3622  Veganism is a doctrine about a lifestyle. "The word veganism shall mean the doctrine that man should live without exploiting animals." Leslie Cross author of "Veganism defined" and founding member of the vegan society. Veganism is not the definition of vegan. Vegan (noun) is the definition of a person. Vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or use animal products. You're not vegan. You use animal products. You don't follow the veganism doctrine. You are using animal products needlessly just to be on youtube beyond what is possible and practicable. On a scale from 1 to 10, how many extra chromosomes do you have? So you project your inability to understand on people because why? Anything else? If not, thanks for the easy win.
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  69.  @blakeniles3622  Just pointing out a fact. When I point out you're lying about being vegan you lose your mind. Is the only way you can argue against me is by building straw men? Anything else or new straw man?
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  70.  @blakeniles3622  It always goes in circles with you people. You can't handle the facts and prefer an echo chamber where you can virtue signal to each other for likes. You're not vegan if you eat or use animal products. You use animal products. You're not vegan. Very simple straight line of logic. You don't even adhere to the veganism doctrine. Every time you reply you're using animal products needlessly that you don't need to survive or for work. Congrats on being ignorant, a liar, and a hypocrite. You hit the virtue signaling trifecta. Edit: OMG!!! You even have a tattoo that says "Vegan" on your abdomen. Wow....I called it. You mad lad. No wonder you're so mad that I called you on your lies. You went and wasted good money on a tattoo just to virtue signal to people in real life. HAHAHAHA....omg that is hilarious.
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  71.  @alexndg5260  Blatant lie. I am using facts to point out liars and hypocrites. (and the occasional soy boy with "vegan" tattooed on his abdomen)
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  72.  @amizan8653  All you're doing is using appeals to emotion and inane babble to refute nothing. You use products made with the same dead animals that normal people eat for entertainment pleasure. Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment? I know you won't answer this directly and honestly, but I want others to see you're just a hypocrite. I predict you will ignore the question, go into denial, ask me which animal products (proving you don't do your own research, and/or you will justify your needless use of animal products with a doctrine.
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  73. "Raw meat brings a bunch of diseases and we can only eat it cooked." Blatant lie. Yookhwe (Korea) Steak Tartare (France) Parisa (South Texas) Ossenworst (The Netherlands) Mett (Germany) Koi Soi (Thailand) Bo Tai Chanh (Vietnam) Kitfo (Ethiopia) Gored Gored (Ethiopia/Eritrea) Kibbeh Nayyeh (Lebanon/Middle East) Crudos (Chile) Carne Apache (Mexico) Cig Kofte (Turkey/Armenia) Beef Carpaccio (Italy) Basashi, sashimi, sushi, ceviche, and gravlax (Japan) All of these dishes are raw meat.
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  74.  @pompei1968  Yes we are. According to the scientific definition of "omnivore" we are. We can digest both plant and animal matter. Now deny science and prove that we are herbivores despite the fact remaining that we can digest both plant and animal matter.
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  75.  @pompei1968  Can't refute me? Thanks for the agreement that I am right. I accept your concession.
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  76.  @ohmss069  "How do you know every vegan is pretending?" They aren't vegan if they use animal products. "I think you're swiping a group of people with a broad brush cuz you don't like them. :)" This is a straw man. " Yeah true, someone using animal products isn't vegan, but so what?" This makes your first sentence a contradiction. "Becoming vegan like becoming an adult is a process over time" Blatant lie. You're either vegan or you're not. Vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or use animal products. Notice is says nothing about "over time." "and if the path they're on is to go animal product free," It never is. They choose convenience over actually being vegan. "I support them and I've got no problem with it. " What you support or have a problem with is irrelevant. I am stating facts. They are not vegan. They are lying about being vegan. I have no problem with anyone reducing harm where they can and completely support that decision. I do not support virtue signaling and lying about being something they're provably not.
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  77.  @ohmss069  It's easy to find middle ground when you stop being a white knight for liars and hypocrites.
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  78. And some people make things up about cures and illnesses because of unrelated studies laced with medications that accompanied diets.
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  79.  @TheVitalij24  2 weeks? People would feel great on a meth and cocaine diet for two weeks. Instead research what the best diets are for your size and work with those for a few months. There is no data from any study that a pure plant based diet is better than any other diet.
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  80.  @TheVitalij24  Try what? I am already happy and healthy. Why would I change my diet? Anyone who believes they are vegan is just pretending and babbling bullshit.
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  81.  @amizan8653  Still stalking me after 6 months and lying about me eh? Thanks for proving your denial and lies are more important than facts.
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  82. Check out the largest animals on the planet. They are carnivores and don't even have teeth.
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  83. You're not vegan. You use animal products.
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  84. Good question. Why do you use the products of the deaths of animals when you have the option not to? Answer that.
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  85.  @amizan8653  And that modern technology is made with animal products that you're using. Smart phones, computers, routers, and servers are all made with and/or contain animal products that you're actively using to prove your hypocrisy. You're just a liar.
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  86. It's hard to argue against something that no one really follows in the first place. Veganism is too hard, not convenient, and not very fun to actually practice. The people who claim to practice veganism derive more worth from the claim than actual practice.
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  87.  @spr4019  "it's a vegan website" So a biased website.... 😂🤣 Open that website > Type Control + F > Type 75 > Notice that it says nowhere that 75% of all crops go to animals. You're a liar. You didn't know smart phones, computers, routers, and servers are made with and/or contain animal products? Wow. You're actually brainwashed. Thanks for the easy win hypocrite.
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  88. You use animal products intentionally and needlessly that are possible and practicable to avoid. It is very unlikely you have the self control necessary to become vegan.
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  89.  @youratowel97  So you think using facts to prove you're an idiot makes me hurt?
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  90.  @Lazyspaceout  Who is Keran? Can't even spell Karen right? Just more insults because you can't refute me. Thanks again for the easy win and your concession.
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  91. Humans eat raw meat all of the time. All over the word there are dishes served raw. Yookhwe (Korea) Steak Tartare (France) Parisa (South Texas) Ossenworst (The Netherlands) Mett (Germany) Koi Soi (Thailand) Bo Tai Chanh (Vietnam) Kitfo (Ethiopia) Gored Gored (Ethiopia/Eritrea) Kibbeh Nayyeh (Lebanon/Middle East) Crudos (Chile) Carne Apache (Mexico) Cig Kofte (Turkey/Armenia) Beef Carpaccio (Italy) Basashi, sashimi, sushi, ceviche, and gravlax (Japan) Anything else or do you want to play pretend some more?
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  92. I wouldn't mind. No more flashes. I am not a fan of flashes anyway. Good to see you have no argument and are reduced to nonsense.
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  93.    You're just as much a carnist as me. Carnism is a concept used in discussions of humanity's relation to other animals, defined as a prevailing ideology in which people support the use and consumption of animal products. You use animal products just like everyone else that comments on youtube. Are you confessing to being a lying hypocrite? Oxford dictionary and Encyclopedia Britannica. Vegan (noun) - a PERSON who DOES NOT eat or USE animal products. This is the official definition of vegan in the Oxford dictionary. This is official because the founders of the Vegan Society requested that this definition be the official definition of vegan. Electronics are made with or contain bones, fat, and/or gelatin aka animal products. Do you use a different definition of "vegan" than I do? Is that where all of your confusion is stemming from? Instead of all of the name calling why don't you try to prove me wrong like an adult instead of all of the delusional babbling.
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  94.  @vegonstruct5786  "Thankfully supplements are cheap and plentiful so vegans aren’t required to get their b12 from a dead rotting hunk of exploited animal flesh." Yet you're happy to reply to people with a device partly made with "a dead rotting hunk of exploited animal flesh." "even if it isn’t, animal agriculture requires way more plants to be grown for livestock than for human consumption" It isn't. And animal agriculture requires less plants to be grown for livestock than for human consumption. To give you a few examples: Do you think a lot of animals smoke cigarettes? Do you think a lot of animals wear cotton? Do you think a lot of animals drive cars with ethanol fuel? Over 60% of all crops grown world wide are for human consumption. You keep lying to people. I can only imagine it is because you're one of those liars pretending to be vegan so you can virtue signal all over the web.
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  95.  @dperr338  Thanks for proving you can't refute me.
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  96. It's okay. You don't really mind. You're okay with using bits of animal in your everyday life.
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  97.  @sarastewart5526  You don't mind using animal products. You intentionally use animal products in your everyday life. Just a couple of facts.
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  98.  @sarastewart5526  Loose? Did you mean lose? Do you deny using animal products every day?
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  99.  @sarastewart5526  Of course you couldn't answer the question. Just like I know for a fact that you're okay with using animal products. Every time you reply you're just reinforcing that fact. Are we done here or do you want to continue proving me right?
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  100.  @sarastewart5526  Two replies? Unable to keep your thoughts together? Why do you lie so much? Your brother is not vegan. Since you seem thoroughly uneducated on the subject and you admitted as much I will help you. Smart phones, computers, routers, and servers contain animal products. Every time you make a comment you are using animal products. Some other products that contain animal products are windows, refrigerators, microwaves, asphalt roads, vehicles, carpet, televisions, drywall, electrical wires, etc... there are millions of products made with animal products. Tallow (refined cow/pig fat) - LCD screens/plastic Gelatin (boiled skin and bones) - lithium ion batteries/adhesives Bones (burned) - purification of mechanical grade silicon for glass/processors "If it' was a conscious creature it should not be killed for our consumption so obvious " So no need to virtue signal with comments like this while using products made from their death.
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  101.  @sarastewart5526  Your brother didn't stoped anything because stoped is not a word. He is not vegan. He uses animal products. You're a liar. Vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or use animal products. He uses animal products. Like I said: Some other products that contain animal products are windows, refrigerators, microwaves, asphalt roads, vehicles, carpet, televisions, drywall, electrical wires, etc... there are millions of products made with animal products. Tallow (refined cow/pig fat) - LCD screens/plastic Gelatin (boiled skin and bones) - lithium ion batteries/adhesives Bones (burned) - purification of mechanical grade silicon for glass/processors How can anyone know if you're rite? Do you know what rite means? rite - a religious or other solemn ceremony or act. Don't give strangers your name on youtube. Is it against the rules to dox yourself.
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  102.  @sarastewart5526  "your very funny person" I don't own "very funny person." Learn the difference between "you're" and your. "you need some real freinds in your life who would tell you to take your head out your own ass guarantee it" "freinds" is not a word. You should go upstairs and ask your parents for help with your comments.
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  103.  @sarastewart5526  Do you have an extra chromosome?
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  104.  @sarastewart5526  Another two replies? Are you unable to keep your thoughts together? I expect as much from someone like you. Glad you admit to being wrong and a liar. Thanks for the easy win.
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  105. "we aren't omnivores" is complete retardation.
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  106.  @investingwithbrian6196  Technically "frugivore" is a sub category of "omnivore" making us omnivores.
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  107.  @amizan8653  You use products made with the same dead animals that normal people eat for entertainment pleasure. Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment? I know you won't answer this directly and honestly, but I want others to see you're just a hypocrite. I predict you will ignore the question, go into denial, ask me which animal products (proving you don't do your own research, and/or you will justify your needless use of animal products with a doctrine.
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  108. @CasualDude Nah. Can't argue the opposite at all. None of the people now claiming to be vegan are vegan.
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  109. Humans were eating animals long before cooked meat came along.
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  110.  @amizan8653  You're not vegan. You're a proven and debunked liar that uses animal products intentionally and needlessly.
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  111.  @pompei1968  "prove it ???" An omnivore is an animal that has the ability to eat and survive on both plant and animal matter. Scientific definition. An omnivore is an organism that regularly consumes a variety of material, including plants, animals, algae, and fungi. "start by the way we chew and digest our food" Teeth don't define an animal. Explain how blue whales are no longer carnivores because they don't have teeth by your logic. "or the way we drink water" Lol...really reaching aren't you. "and why we need water to swallow a tiny little pill" We don't "need" water for that. We prefer it. I have swallowed pills without water on numerous occasions, people do it all of the time. Now deny science some more. Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment?
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  112.  @pompei1968  Still looking for something to prove me wrong? Good luck, it doesn't exist.
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  113.  @pompei1968  Good to see you're consistent. Even if it is just you consistently denying science. Look up the scientific definition of "omnivore." Thanks for another easy win and your concession.
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  114.  @pompei1968  You're making things up again. I accept your ongoing concession.
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  115. Humans can survive on a plant based and a meat based diet proving 100% that humans are omnivores.
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  116.  @amizan8653  Now you're name calling because you can't refute me. You use animal products. You're just a liar and a hypocrite.
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  117.  @justinpettit3432  Because it is true.
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  118. Our dentistry eh? Apes eat plants and animals. They are omnivores.
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  119.  @jamesmorss9940  Which has to do with dentistry and the absolute fact they are omnivores how?
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  120.  @jamesmorss9940  5 replies. Wow. Unable to keep your thoughts together on your diet? "chimps are frugivores, that is a fact." You're lying. Insects (ants, termites) account for approximately 4% of a wild chimpanzee’s diet. Still can't answer the question? I figured at least one of your inane replies would be relevant. Which has to do with dentistry and the absolute fact they are omnivores how? Try again. Try to keep the lies and assumptions to a minimum.
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  121.  @jamesmorss9940  3 more replies. Are you okay? What assumptions did I make about your diet? Feel free to quote me. Good luck. They are omnivores. They eat insects, meat, milk, and honey on top of fruit. Glad you finally agree that you're wrong. Thanks for the easy win.
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  122.  @jamesmorss9940  Insects only make up 4%. You did read the rest right? They drink milk from their mother for close to 5 years. They eat honey as often as they can find it. They actively hunt small mammals. That is far more than 5%. And look...you didn't quote me. I guess you admit that I am right and I didn't assume anything. Still avoiding this question? Which has to do with dentistry and the absolute fact they are omnivores how? Thanks for the win. https://janegoodall.ca/our-stories/10-things-chimpanzees-eat/
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  123.  @jamesmorss9940  3 more replies? I guess you're still having trouble keeping your thoughts together. I see you're unable to refute any of the facts I gave you so you have been reduced to babbling ad hominem attacks. Thanks for the easy win.
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  124.  @jamesmorss9940  Ah yes. More name calling because you can't refute me or the facts. I predict another inane comment.
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  125.  @jamesmorss9940  3 more triggered inane replies as predicted. Thanks for proving me right. "yes that's right moron, your right because of one outdated observation on a website. Well done." you're* Learn how to spell. It's funny that you're name calling while spelling like a child. Still can't refute me? Maybe while you're name calling you should grab a mirror. I think you deserve those names more than I.
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  126.  @jamesmorss9940  Look at you go. So mad that you're wrong that you posted 3 more times. It's okay. You must be so triggered because it happens often. Still can't refute me? Try again. Maybe 3 more replies or go back up to 5.
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  127. The Baleen Whale is 100% a carnivore. Show me just one of its teeth.
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  128.  @theherionfather8274  "I did u realize that cancer comes from us eating meat" Blatant lie. "watch Dr sebi" Appeal to authority logical fallacy. "we are not supposed to eat animals" And yet you're fine with using their fat, gelatin, and bones for entertainment. "all life is precious your not supposed to eat living things eat sum fruit man and drink some tea I wish u the best in life" I think your diet is interfering with your ability to spell like an adult. You make things up and can't spell simple words.
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  129.  @yaccfonoti  Still crying or having trouble coming up with a rebuttal that can refute me? It must be embarrassing to be taken out with facts after all of that inane babble of yours. Thanks again for the easy win.
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  130.  @yaccfonoti  "lol I'm still waiting for you to learn what veganism is. Let me know when you do and we can have a conversation 😂" Yeah I already told you. I guess you have a hard time with reading comprehension., "10 paragraphs of nonsense...So desperate to "debunk" veganism." Oh look you edited. I guess you skipped all of the important parts. I guess I shouldn't expect much from you. "Out of all the good causes you could fight for, you choose to spend your time fighting FOR animal cruelty. " This is a straw man. Telling someone they are not vegan because they are factually not vegan isn't fighting for animal cruelty. Maybe argue against what I actually said instead of making things up and playing pretend. "Every time you buy meat," Another straw man. Who said I buy meat? Why do you keep making things up? "People like you are uninformed " I find this hilariously ironic given the fact you don't know the difference between vegan and veganism. "You have a severe lack of empathy, compassion, intelligence and morals. " And another straw man. Wow you just can't have an actual argument without making things up can you? Are you not smart enough to argue the facts instead of playing pretend? "Ps. I literally replied in 2 mins. You look like you spent two days writhing an essay on a subject that you have no understanding of 🤷‍♂️😂" Janie Swanson 2 days ago (edited) It "literally" took you over 2 days to reply. You replied to my second comment 2 days later. Thanks for the easy win. You can't argue without lying and straw men. You should learn how to read a bit too.
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  131.  @yaccfonoti  "not giving you anymore of my time." Ah yes. The child hood equivalent of taking your ball and going home because you were picked last. "I can't teach you how to be a decent human being" Straw man. You don't know what I have done or why I do anything. You're making things up again. "I can't make you comprehend animal cruelty and I can't do your research for you." Imagine that. Another straw man. "Please let me know when you've evolved." And a third straw man. Do you not know what a straw man is? straw man - an intentionally misrepresented proposition that is set up because it is easier to defeat than an opponent's real argument. Thanks for the easy win. Maybe next time you argue with someone you should avoid the lies and straw men. I get it. You have nothing to refute me so you have to play pretend to argue against me.
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  132.  @yaccfonoti  ""not giving you anymore of my time." Yet you send another reply....I guess you prove yourself a liar.
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  133.  @yaccfonoti  I win. 😂🤣
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  134.  @yaccfonoti  This is hilarious. You're such a sore loser the only way you think you can win is if you get the last post.....all yours unless you can finally refute me. Thanks again for the easy win.
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  135.  @yaccfonoti  Who are these angry meat eaters you're referring to? Did you just build a straw man because I wrecked your comment? It took you 3 weeks to come up with that crap from a biased website? Just get over it. I won.
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  136.  @vegonstruct5786  You're not vegan though. You used animal products just to reply. No need to be such a liar all of the time.
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  137. Frugivore is just a subclass of omnivore. They eat animals every chance they get. Thanks for agreeing we are omnivores.
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  138.  @MrDayday4641  So all of the termites, grubs, and small mammals that most frugivores eat don't count as animals? "The variety of different animals that are classified as omnivores can be placed into further sub-categories depending on their feeding behaviors. Frugivores include maned wolves and orangutans; insectivores include swallows and pink fairy" Cool story. Thanks for the win and your concession.
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  139.  @MrDayday4641  Good to see all you have is denial and fan fiction. Thanks for the win and your concession.
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  140.  @MrDayday4641  My first comment stands. Your denial is not an argument. Try again.
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  141.  @MrDayday4641  And some name calling added in to your inability to refute me. I accept your ongoing concession.
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  142.  @MrDayday4641  Still can't refute my first comment I see. I accept your ongoing concession.
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  143.  @MrDayday4641  I don't know what your goal is. If it is to avoid scientific fact and my first comment then you are succeeding. Type "you lost. Face it." if you admit I won. So nothing to refute me still? Just name calling? LOL I accept your ongoing concession.
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  144.  @wdemon85  "I’m telling the truth and you’re the one spreading false information." You're lying again. "You keep saying biology genome with no evidence to back it up." I never said that once. You lied again. "If you want proof that meat causes disease pick up the China study." Off topic. The only way you can argue is by making things up to argue against it seems. "Or go watch what the health or the gamechangers." So you're saying that you source information from "the gamechangers" which isn't scientifically recognized and doesn't prove humans aren't omnivores. It is a documentary with cherry picked plant based half truths. "Clown." I see we have made it to the name calling portion of your argument.
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  145.  @wdemon85  "Lol keep thinking you’re an omnivore and keep eating yourself to disease if you want." What does the scientific fact of humans being omnivores have to do with what my diet might possibly be? Is assuming what my diet is the only argument you have? "I’m not the one who will suffer." Still making assumptions I see. "Sucks you can’t see past the brainwashing the meat industry feeds you. ✌️" Sucks you have to make up things to argue against because plain English is too hard for you.
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  146.  @wdemon85  So you never heard of Sushi? Kitfo? Koi Soi? Ossenworst? Tartare? Yukhoe? Funny how you replied to Assassin 9958 and ignored me. I guess you don't like being wrong. You're still making things up to make a point that doesn't exist because you're just wrong.
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  147.  @wdemon85  Read the article you linked. They debunk you in the first paragraph. They use words like "may." Anything else? Maybe try some actual science.
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  148.  @wdemon85  "99% vegan with the exception of eating termites." Being vegan isn't a percentage metric. You either are or you're not. 99% = not vegan. Eating termites = eating other animals. Chimpanzees are classified scientifically as omnivores. If you actually believed half the crap you were babbling about you would be vegan.
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  149.  @wdemon85  All you have is conjecture and assumptions. You continue to admit I am right and yet continue to babble on about diets. The healthiest known diet is currently an omnivore diet. When you compare the typical adult diets where people don't really care or monitor their diet you end up with slanted and false assumptions. Actual omnivorous diets are more healthy than plant based... If you actually believed half the crap you were babbling about you would be vegan. You're not vegan so it is obvious you don't practice what you preach.
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  150.  @wdemon85  "You just enjoy eating your gross animal based food and because it “taste good” you believe you need it." So you're still making things up I see. Quote me where I claimed to eat animal based food for any reason. If you can't quote me saying it then you admit to lying and making things up. " And yes, before you lie to me, you for sure eat animal based food like meat." When you have to blatantly lie and makes things up to push an agenda you don't even believe in, it proves you're unable to converse like an adult. You can't even address this factual comment. If you actually believed half the crap you were babbling about you would be vegan. You're not vegan so it is obvious you don't practice what you preach.
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  151.  @wdemon85  "ok genius, what do you eat and why?" And there it is. You're now begging for information because I have proven you to be a liar that makes things up. "According to logic, which you seem to like to apply based on your previous comments, why would you eat vegetarian or vegan if you believe being an omnivore is healthiest." Since when does someone have to do what they claim is healthiest? Claiming something is healthy doesn't automatically mean they do it. My prediction was right...as usual. You can't address this. If you actually believed half the crap you were babbling about you would be vegan. You're not vegan so it is obvious you don't practice what you preach.
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  152.  @wdemon85  "why are you so afraid to answer how you eat?" You're confusing fear with disinterest in starting a new conversation when you can't even argue the one you're already in. "Because it’s obvious you are." Prove it... LOL "At least I’m being transparent." By proving me right several times and avoiding this: If you actually believed half the crap you were babbling about you would be vegan. You're not vegan so it is obvious you don't practice what you preach.
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  153.  @wdemon85  "I can’t argue?" Intelligent arguments don't include lies, guesses, and strawmen. "You’ve proven nothing." Other than the fact that humans are omnivores. "I’ve done nothing but spit facts backed by science." Blatant lie. Scroll up a couple comments and see where you lie about my diet and make assumptions. Your assumptions of my diet are not scientifically backed. "I’m vegan 100%, so I do practice what I preach." You're not vegan. You use animal products intentionally and needlessly. You're lying again. "Way to assume though." It's not an assumption, it's a fact. Vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or use animal products. You use animal products. Try again.
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  154.  @wdemon85  "lol you’re so dumb 😂 I’m a vegan." A vegan is a person who does not eat or "USE" animal products. You use animal products. You're not vegan. "I will have been a vegan for two years in March." So you have been lying for two years in March... "Not sure where you’re getting this idea that I eat animal products." I am not sure where you get the idea that I said you "EAT" animal products. I guess you're just showing your poor reading comprehension. "Looks who’s lying now, even though I never did lie." Still you. "Why would I so passionately defend veganism and then eat animal products." Still never said you eat animal products. You're making things up again. I guess since you can't argue against what I actually said you have to make things up. "You lack common sense." Says the person that can't read. "I feel like I’m debating a 7 year old 😂" Must be your projection. Try again liar.
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  155.  @wdemon85  "Your arguments are lame and make no sense." You mean fact based and you can't handle them? "Lmao never argue with an idiot, they’ll bring you down to their level and beat you with experience. Good bye idiot" Your denial was worth it. All of you idiots pretending to be vegan are in the same denial. You freely and openly use products made with the same animals that die for food while lying about being vegan. Vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or use animal products. You use animal products. You do it every time you comment. Thanks for the easy win.
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  156. Why is it you people babbling about eating meat being immoral are always using things made with the same animals to complain about it? Do you know you're a hypocrite or do you just enjoy virtue signaling while being a hypocrite?
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  157.  @michaelwatts5481  Smart phones, servers, computers, routers, asphalt roads, drywall, carpet, refrigerators, microwaves, etc etc. Look up what happens with bones, tallow and gelatin that isn't used in food. More specifically those things used in electronics. Bones - Used to purify silicon for glass/processors. Tallow - additive that makes hardened plastic less brittle. Gelatin - used in some adhesives and rechargeable lithium ion batteries.
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  158. You don't seem to mind using products of their deaths. If you actually believed it was so horribly wrong you wouldn't be doing that.
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  159.  @amizan8653  "But I can't stand the fact that 25 million animals a day are killed for their flesh." They are also killed for fat, gelatin, and bones to make modern electronics, vehicles, and appliances that you use intentionally and needlessly. You're just a liar and a hypocrite.
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  160.  @amizan8653  Now you're name calling because you can't refute me. You use animal products. You're just a liar and a hypocrite.
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  161. To everyone that claims to be vegan. Vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or use animal products. Smart phones, computers, asphalt roads, refrigerators, carpet, routers, servers, vehicles, drywall, microwaves, wire coating, glass, etc etc are made with or contain animal products. Offering a processed bag of powder and pretending that is natural is hilarious. Plant based is totally possible (as long as you buy expensive bags of powder and animal tested lab supplements)
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  162.  @vegonstruct5786  I don't think you understand what veganism is. Veganism is doctrine about a lifestyle. It is not the definition of a person. Vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or use animal products. Maybe if you people stopped virtue signaling and lying about things people would be more interested in listening to what you had to say. As it is you're just a lying hypocrite.
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  163.  @Freakyjohnsson1  You use products made with the same dead animals that normal people use. Why do you continue to do that while questioning other peoples ethics? Doesn't that make you hypocritical?
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  164.  @ND-gb3dd  "lol I don’t need a label." Then stop asking me to give you one. "People are always asking why I don’t eat animal products." And you lie to them in response. "What should I tell them?" Thought you didn't need a label. "And psychiatrists deal with medicine, not therapy." Look up the definition. You're need for a label and the delusion that you're vegan could require some kind of prescription. It's funny that you call Joe Rogan an idiot while being completely uninformed yourself. By your own logic you should have just told everyone you're an idiot.
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  165. Good luck finding an actual vegan doctor. Hint: there is no such thing.
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  166. fan? You can "only eat meat," but I don't think it is something you can do permanently. Vegans don't really exist. Just people on a plant based diet.
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  167.  @preator_vallum6377  No problem.
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  168.  @pompei1968  Just like you and everyone else living in the modern world. We all use animal products needlessly. I am just wondering why you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while pretending to be against it... I know you won't answer honestly, you will evade that simple fact. I will just go ahead and accept your concession.
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  169.  @pompei1968  Animal based stearic acid and animal based activated carbon are the industry standard in processor manufacturing. So yes, you do. I accept your concession since you evaded the simple fact based statements as I predicted you would.
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  170.  @pompei1968  Evaded them again. I accept your ongoing concession.
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  171. The biggest carnivore on the planet doesn't have teeth or claws. I guess you make things up and start babbling nonsense when facts make you mad. " were frugavors." frugavors* is not a word. More proof you're making things up.
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  172.  @chizile-Bravo  Good to see you can't refute me. I accept your concession.
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  173.  @chizile-Bravo  Reduced to name calling now? Thanks for the easy win and your ongoing concession.
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  174.  @coraltitan6225  Scroll through these comments and you will find dozens of people arguing how humans are herbivores. It doesn't really matter either way. No one really practices the vegan philosophy anyway.
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  175.  @coraltitan6225  Did I specifically say YOU did? Nope. It doesn't really matter either way. No one really practices the vegan philosophy anyway.
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  176.  @coraltitan6225  Thanks for agreeing with my other comment.
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  177.  @coraltitan6225  Yet you keep replying. I guess being unable to refute me is frustrating you enough to make inane replies.
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  178.  @coraltitan6225  " at this point you’re just talking to yourself... whatever." Oh look you replied again. I didn't give an opinion. I stated a fact. Name one person that adheres to the veganism doctrine. (since you're done replying I can just assume you're out looking)
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  179.  Erik Cnating  You can't refute me so you go with a personal attack?
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  180.  Erik Cnating  You typed out a short story just to admit I am right. You included more lies and personal attacks so I am not going to bother teaching you further. If you have any further questions refer to my previous response. Thanks for the easy win.
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  181.  Erik Cnating  "ignorance is bliss!" Says the person that didn't know the difference between vegan and veganism, then made up a bunch of justifications and lies to evade the facts.
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  182.  Erik Cnating  "I explained that. A vegan is someone who follows veganism." Proceeds to continually lie and make things up. To be vegan you can't eat or use animal products. No one does that. To follow veganism you can't eat or use animal products when it is possible and practicable to avoid them. No one does that. You continually lie for a bunch of virtue signaling hypocritical liars. Thanks for the easy win.
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  183.  Erik Cnating  "Your definition of veganism or vegans (which is the same thing!)" They are not the same thing. They were never the same thing. I am not embarrassing myself. Stop lying. "It is about reducing as much as is possible and practicable. That is certainly doable. Therefore, it is possible to be a vegan. " Veganism is a doctrine about a lifestyle. It is possible and practicable to stop using animal products for convenience. No one ever does. Even if you were to do "as much as possible and practicable" it wouldn't make you vegan (noun) because they are two different words that mean two different things. "I'm starting to think I'm dealing with a crazy person here." You must be referring to yourself. I am laying out actual facts. You're beliefs in two words meaning the same thing is quite frankly laughable. Thanks for the easy win. If you have further comments or questions refer to my earlier comments.
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  184.  @g3rdus12  "Everybody knows that vegan stands for" Except people lying about being vegan apparently. Vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or use animal products. This is the official definition created by the Vegan Society. The rest of your babble is irrelevant.
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  185.  @thinginground5179  You're not vegan.
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  186.  @thinginground5179  Of course I am still using a computer. I never lied about being vegan.
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  187.  @thinginground5179  lol... You babble and make assumptions and then ask if we are cool?
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  188.  @thinginground5179  There is nothing to judge me on. I am simply pointing out you aren't vegan.
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  189.  @thinginground5179  You can't convert to vegan. Pay attention. Vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or use animal products. Animal products exist in most everything in the modern world. The simple act of replying to me proves you use animal products.
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  190.  @thinginground5179  No, I use animal products...just like you and everyone else on youtube.
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  191.  @thinginground5179  You replied to me first. Ask yourself. I am just saying you're not vegan.
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  192.  @thinginground5179  Okay?
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  193.  @thinginground5179  And now you degenerate in to babble. Thanks for proving you're unhinged.
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  194.  @thinginground5179  Good to see that since you're unable to refute me that you're okay with derailing. It proves that I am right.
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  195. We are only omnivores with the ability to eat a mostly carnivore or herbivore diet.
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  196.  @fuhishva  That's where the animal tested lab supplements come in.
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  197. It's also an evolutionary advantage.
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  198.  @amizan8653  You have been a liar since 2019. You actively use animal products needlessly and intentionally. You're just a liar and a hypocrite that justifies your own use of animal products.
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  199.  @amizan8653  Now you're name calling because you can't refute me. You use animal products. You're just a liar and a hypocrite.
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  200.  @bigbonedones7162  We are all omnivores.
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  201. Pure delusion. You're free to make up fan fiction that has no basis in reality if you like.
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  202.  @JB.zero.zero.1  You can thank the fortified food and supplements. Stop pretending you eat nothing but plants. Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while pretending to be against it? You're just another wannabe playing pretend because you derive more worth from the claim than the actual practice.
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  203. Quiet eh?
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  204.  @chrispick306  quite*
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  205.  @chrispick306  Happens to everyone.
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  206.  @Freakyjohnsson1  Then avoid them instead of using them. Practice what you preach.
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  207.  @Freakyjohnsson1  No, you're not. You use animal products.
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  208.  @Freakyjohnsson1  Because you do. Smart phones, computers, routers, and servers are made with and contain animal products. The simple act of replying to me proves you use animal products. Anything else?
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  209.  @Freakyjohnsson1  "Mate, a phone is not an animalls product." So you have reading comprehension problems? animalls? "Also being a vegan does not mean not hurting a single animal every," Getting confused? every? "but veganism is about reducing the harm by as much as possible and not choosing to kill animals by buying products that you KNOW contains animal products." Veganism is a doctrine about avoiding animal products that are possible and practicable* to avoid. It is possible and practicable to avoid making comments on youtube to lie about being vegan. You're conflating being vegan with a doctrine. "by buying products that you KNOW contains animal products." Smart phones, computers, routers and servers are made with and contain animal products. Fat is used in making plastic and LCD screens. Gelatin is used in making batteries. Bones are used to purify mechanical grade silicon for glass and processors. "What part from an animal comes from an animal?" ....the whole animal. Are you okay? Maybe you should ask a parent for help... " lol, a phone is basically minerals and plastic." And fat, gelatin, and bones. Anything else?
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  210. Still looking for the proof?
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  211.  @pompei1968  So a lie is your best argument? Thanks for admitting you lied. I accept your concession.
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  212. You're not vegan. No need to start off with a lie.
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  213.  @jackmichaelpeter  So nothing to refute what I said? "I whine about necessity and I don’t eat animals" I didn't say you eat animals. I said you use animal products intentionally. You use animal products intentionally and needless from the same dead animals that normal people eat for entertainment.
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  214.  @jackmichaelpeter  Fat, gelatin, and bones.
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  215.  @jackmichaelpeter  "I don’t." You're lying. "You seem to think you have an insight into my dietary choices." Scroll up and read slower. I never mentioned that you eat animal products. I said you use them. Maybe have a parent come help you. "I avoid all animal foods so you’re wrong actually." ....I never said you ate them... "There’s nothing we need from animal foods that we can get from plants better" Cool story. Still never said you eat animal products. You literally USE (made it caps and bold for the learning impaired) animal products. Smart phones, computers, routers, and servers are made with and contain fat, gelatin, and bones. You prove you use animal products by simply replying to me. Thanks for the easy win and your concession.
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  216.  @jackmichaelpeter  Wall of text with you admitting to using animal products like I stated in the beginning. Thanks for agreeing with me. Your concession is accepted.
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  217.  @jackmichaelpeter  You're replying to me and making comments on youtube. That is needless. Bones are used in the production of silicon for processors and is the industry standard. Your concession is still accepted based on the fact you use animal products intentionally and needlessly.
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  218.  @jackmichaelpeter  Two replies? Unable to keep your thoughts together on your diet? "I’m having a bit of trouble understanding what your are saying.?" you are* I am having the same trouble, but it's because you spell like a child. "I have laid out why the use of electronic equipment is not needless" No, you have justified using animal products intentionally and needlessly because you think you need a phone. Let me give you an example. You're claiming that since you need a smart phone that it's okay to just use any animal products they connect to. Routers and servers are also made with animal products. Your same logic justifies you ordering a meat lovers pizza with a phone app. B-b-but it's okay because you need a phone. Mmmmm pizza. And there you go.....thoroughly debunked. Still nothing to refute me? Maybe ask a parent for help or repeat yourself a few more times with the same inane babble you have been using all along.
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  219.  @jackmichaelpeter  What are you babbling about now? You have been debunked using your own logic. You need a phone for a profession you chose. You don't need to be replying to strangers that prove you're a hypocrite. You ignored the example. I will paste it again for you. Maybe have one of your students read it to you. Let me give you an example. You're claiming that since you need a smart phone that it's okay to just use any animal products they connect to. Routers and servers are also made with animal products. Your same logic justifies you ordering a meat lovers pizza with a phone app. B-b-but it's okay because you need a phone. Mmmmm pizza. And there you go.....thoroughly debunked. Still nothing to refute me? Maybe ask a parent for help or repeat yourself a few more times with the same inane babble you have been using all along.
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  220.  @jackmichaelpeter  Try again I guess. We are stuck here until you acknowledge that you use animal products outside of your phone. What are you babbling about now? You have been debunked using your own logic. You need a phone for a profession you chose. You don't need to be replying to strangers that prove you're a hypocrite. You ignored the example. I will paste it again for you. Maybe have one of your students read it to you. Let me give you an example. You're claiming that since you need a smart phone that it's okay to just use any animal products they connect to. Routers and servers are also made with animal products. Your same logic justifies you ordering a meat lovers pizza with a phone app. B-b-but it's okay because you need a phone. Mmmmm pizza. And there you go.....thoroughly debunked. Still nothing to refute me? Maybe ask a parent for help or repeat yourself a few more times with the same inane babble you have been using all along.
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  221.  @jackmichaelpeter  Try again I guess. We are stuck here until you acknowledge that you use animal products outside of your phone. What are you babbling about now? You have been debunked using your own logic. You need a phone for a profession you chose. You don't need to be replying to strangers that prove you're a hypocrite. You ignored the example. I will paste it again for you. Maybe have one of your students read it to you. Let me give you an example. You're claiming that since you need a smart phone that it's okay to just use any animal products they connect to. Routers and servers are also made with animal products. Your same logic justifies you ordering a meat lovers pizza with a phone app. B-b-but it's okay because you need a phone. Mmmmm pizza. And there you go.....thoroughly debunked. Still nothing to refute me? Maybe ask a parent for help or repeat yourself a few more times with the same inane babble you have been using all along.
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  222.  @jackmichaelpeter  "If you copy/ paste your response again I will not be wasting my time replying." Welcome back. Guess you lied again. Thanks for the easy win and your concession.
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  223.  @jackmichaelpeter  Try again I guess. We are stuck here until you acknowledge that you use animal products outside of your phone. What are you babbling about now? You have been debunked using your own logic. You need a phone for a profession you chose. You don't need to be replying to strangers that prove you're a hypocrite. You ignored the example. I will paste it again for you. Maybe have one of your students read it to you. Let me give you an example. You're claiming that since you need a smart phone that it's okay to just use any animal products they connect to. Routers and servers are also made with animal products. Your same logic justifies you ordering a meat lovers pizza with a phone app. B-b-but it's okay because you need a phone. Mmmmm pizza. And there you go.....thoroughly debunked. Still nothing to refute me? Maybe ask a parent for help or repeat yourself a few more times with the same inane babble you have been using all along.
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  224.  @jackmichaelpeter  You said you were done. You lied again. Try again I guess. We are stuck here until you acknowledge that you use animal products outside of your phone. What are you babbling about now? You have been debunked using your own logic. You need a phone for a profession you chose. You don't need to be replying to strangers that prove you're a hypocrite. You ignored the example. I will paste it again for you. Maybe have one of your students read it to you. Let me give you an example. You're claiming that since you need a smart phone that it's okay to just use any animal products they connect to. Routers and servers are also made with animal products. Your same logic justifies you ordering a meat lovers pizza with a phone app. B-b-but it's okay because you need a phone. Mmmmm pizza. And there you go.....thoroughly debunked. Still nothing to refute me? Maybe ask a parent for help or repeat yourself a few more times with the same inane babble you have been using all along.
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  225.  @jackmichaelpeter  You said you were done. You lied again. Try again I guess. We are stuck here until you acknowledge that you use animal products outside of your phone. What are you babbling about now? You have been debunked using your own logic. You need a phone for a profession you chose. You don't need to be replying to strangers that prove you're a hypocrite. You ignored the example. I will paste it again for you. Maybe have one of your students read it to you. Let me give you an example. You're claiming that since you need a smart phone that it's okay to just use any animal products they connect to. Routers and servers are also made with animal products. Your same logic justifies you ordering a meat lovers pizza with a phone app. B-b-but it's okay because you need a phone. Mmmmm pizza. And there you go.....thoroughly debunked. Still nothing to refute me? Maybe ask a parent for help or repeat yourself a few more times with the same inane babble you have been using all along.
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  226.  @jackmichaelpeter  You said you were done. You lied again. Try again I guess. We are stuck here until you acknowledge that you use animal products outside of your phone. What are you babbling about now? You have been debunked using your own logic. You need a phone for a profession you chose. You don't need to be replying to strangers that prove you're a hypocrite. You ignored the example. I will paste it again for you. Maybe have one of your students read it to you. Let me give you an example. You're claiming that since you need a smart phone that it's okay to just use any animal products they connect to. Routers and servers are also made with animal products. Your same logic justifies you ordering a meat lovers pizza with a phone app. B-b-but it's okay because you need a phone. Mmmmm pizza. And there you go.....thoroughly debunked. Still nothing to refute me? Maybe ask a parent for help or repeat yourself a few more times with the same inane babble you have been using all along.
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  227.  @jackmichaelpeter  I already debunked you in a different comment when you decided to start spamming the same inane babble. You stopped replying once I said this. Sure I have. You just choose to ignore it in favor of your narrative. Do you need a phone? Most likely. Do you need to be making comments on youtube? No. Youtube's servers are made with and contain animal products. You're justifying using animal products that are easily avoided and not a necessity at all because you need a phone for work. That's no different than using your phone to order a meat lovers pizza and some chicken wings.....because "phone." So basically you're proving your hypocrisy by claiming it's okay to use whatever animal products you want as long as your phone connects to it..... I already explained this to you. I think I used too many big words last time. I probably did this time as well. Anyway...thanks for confirming you're a hypocrite again. You use animal products intentionally and needlessly. Making comments on an entertainment platform is needless no matter how you want to spin it for your narrative. You keep mentioning "potential gelatine" while ignoring the fat and bones. Very typical of you liars and disingenuous hypocrites. You pick one thing apart while ignoring the rest. Bones are the industry standard for purifying mechanical grade silicon. You can shove your "potential gelatine" up your monologuing ignorant ass. You are literally a hypocrite. All of your appeals to emotion can be used to lambast someone else that disagrees with you. You have already been proven disingenuous and a hypocrite. There is nothing left for me to prove. You use animal products intentionally and needlessly. You use appeals to emotion by comparing human slavery to livestock farming. You use products made with the same dead animals everyone else uses. Even after I explained point number 4 to you no less than 3 times, you still attack strawmen. Its over. You lose. Go to google > Type "define needless" > Push search. It's not rocket science. This will be your canned reply. Your concession is accepted.
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  228. ​ @jackmichaelpeter  I already debunked you in a different comment when you decided to start spamming the same inane babble. You stopped replying once I said this. Sure I have. You just choose to ignore it in favor of your narrative. Do you need a phone? Most likely. Do you need to be making comments on youtube? No. Youtube's servers are made with and contain animal products. You're justifying using animal products that are easily avoided and not a necessity at all because you need a phone for work. That's no different than using your phone to order a meat lovers pizza and some chicken wings.....because "phone." So basically you're proving your hypocrisy by claiming it's okay to use whatever animal products you want as long as your phone connects to it..... I already explained this to you. I think I used too many big words last time. I probably did this time as well. Anyway...thanks for confirming you're a hypocrite again. You use animal products intentionally and needlessly. Making comments on an entertainment platform is needless no matter how you want to spin it for your narrative. You keep mentioning "potential gelatine" while ignoring the fat and bones. Very typical of you liars and disingenuous hypocrites. You pick one thing apart while ignoring the rest. Bones are the industry standard for purifying mechanical grade silicon. You can shove your "potential gelatine" up your monologuing ignorant ass. You are literally a hypocrite. All of your appeals to emotion can be used to lambast someone else that disagrees with you. You have already been proven disingenuous and a hypocrite. There is nothing left for me to prove. You use animal products intentionally and needlessly. You use appeals to emotion by comparing human slavery to livestock farming. You use products made with the same dead animals everyone else uses. Even after I explained point number 4 to you no less than 3 times, you still attack strawmen. Its over. You lose. Go to google > Type "define needless" > Push search. It's not rocket science. This will be your canned reply. Your concession is accepted.
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  229. Then explain our ability to process meat.
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  230.  @JB.zero.zero.1  You literally use animal products needlessly for entertainment that are "possible and practicable" to avoid. You commenting here isn't a matter of survival dippy. Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while pretending to be against it? You're just another wannabe playing pretend because you derive more worth from the claim than the actual practice.
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  231. The Mediterranean diet has been proven to be much healthier than any other diet. You're comment doesn't make sense.
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  232.  @localkauf  "S PR 2 days ago 100% herbivores, check this https://youtu.be/nS2_Q1NY8nU Even if you still believe we're omnivores that just means you can choose . Don't choose to be cruel, go vegan ✌️" 1 like so far. It appears someone agrees with them.
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  233.  @localkauf  "what's the point you're trying to make here?" Already answered. I will cut and paste the reply for you. "Scroll through the comments and you will see people saying that humans aren't omnivores." "Whats your angle?" Just pointing out you were wrong. "You really seem to hate vegans for some reason" I don't hate vegans. I don't hate dragons or unicorns either. Vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or use animal products. Everyone on the planet eats and/or uses animal products.
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  234.  @localkauf  I got a reply on a different comment so I came back. Nice deflection.
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  235.  @localkauf  "I really wasnt deflecting" You didn't address the reply...deflecting. "I'm honestly just interested as to why you care so much." Because I can. "btw in response to your video link" It is not my link. S PR posted that. No need to make things up. "a random video doesn't represent the majority of vegans" No video represents vegans. Vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or use animal products. Everyone currently living on the planet eats and/or uses animal products.
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  236.  @localkauf  "if no video represents vegans, what was the point of posting the video?" Ask the user S PR. They are the one that posted it. I just cut and pasted their post to prove people are calling humans herbivores and getting likes. "deflecting" implies I was consciously trying to deflect, I wasn't" You intentionally replied to me without addressing the comment.
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  237.  @localkauf  "my original point was that the majority of vegans don't seriously think that humans aren't natural omnivores. " If you eat or use animal products you're not vegan. Stop telling me what a majority of people who don't exist think. "When I said that "no one would agree with them", I was being a bit hyperbolic, obviously there's a small minority and group of any belief in this world" At least you somewhat admit to lying. "someone posting a comment or video that gets a couple likes isn't really a refutal of my point." refutal? Sure it is. People claiming to be vegan claim humans are herbivores quite often. "I don't care." That explains why you keep replying.... 🤦‍♀️
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  238.  @localkauf  "ah yes, because hyperbole is the equivalent to lying...?!" It is a form of lying. "either respond with evidence to the contrary or leave it" I did and you dismissed it because it didn't fit your narrative. "I find your obsessivness quite interesting" obsessivness? Says the person that replies as often as I do. 🤣😂 "I just specifically don't care about whether you think I'm deflecting or not" Okay. You did. If you don't care about it ignore it.
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  239.  @Freakyjohnsson1  "I'm special because I understand that plants are not sentient and you "kill" more plants on an omnivore diet?" This isn't true. More plants aren't killed on an omnivore diet. You're making things up. 85%+ of animal feed is inedible to humans. 12% of animal feed that is edible is processed in industry first to make things like ethanol, soybean oil, and biodiesel. The remaining 2%-3% of animal feed is usually the unsold portions of beans, corn, etc. that isn't sold. "IF" animals were not eaten anymore for whatever reason we would have to grow many more plants so humans could receive a more diverse amount of nutrients that aren't currently available in the quantities needed for a world wide healthy diet. Statistically people who claim to be vegan are on the far left spectrum.
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  240.  @amizan8653  You use products made with the same dead animals that normal people eat for entertainment pleasure. Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment? I know you won't answer this directly and honestly, but I want others to see you're just a hypocrite. I predict you will ignore the question, go into denial, ask me which animal products (proving you don't do your own research, and/or you will justify your needless use of animal products with a doctrine.
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  241. Humans started changing to omnivores when they were gatherers. Insects were part of the diet before meat was ever an option.
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  242. Humans are omnivores by definition. You use animal products from the same animals that normal people eat.
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  243.  @alexndg5260  Are you unable to understand what I already said to you? Is that why you're white knighting for some other liar? Now you want to spew more vitriol for someone else? Do you have a hero complex?
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  244.  @alexndg5260  There you go again, spewing more garbage. I don't know why you're projecting on me. Is it because I called you out or because I am the only person at work bored enough to keep replying? I can fix it though by just ignoring the rest of your garbage since you're unable to answer simple questions yet expect me to answer yours.
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  245. People aren't getting mad at vegans. People in general dislike virtue signaling liars and hypocrites.
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  246.  @amizan8653  Now you're name calling because you can't refute me. You use animal products. You're just a liar and a hypocrite.
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  247.  @chesnek2776  "My problem lies with the poor treatment of animals in slaughterhouses." We can agree on that. "Pigs for instance are shown to be intelligent animals, yet they are chained to the ground and live their entire lives chained to ground." Depends on the farm. But yeah they aren't treated nice at all. "Now you can eat pork and keep it kosher but I believe we need to treat life as life and not be unnecessary cruel to animals that feel pain." We agree again. I just point out that those people aren't vegan. They intentionally and needlessly use animal products. For instance @Ali has been trolling me and slandering me because I pointed out he lied about using animal products and I even took the time to explain to him how. Now he just spams comment sections lying about me. So I started spamming as well. Good to see we agree more than we disagree.
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  248. So much virtue signaling. You know you use parts of dead animals just like everyone else does right? Why are you exempt?
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  249.  @amizan8653  There aren't millions..... You're not vegan. You literally use animal products intentionally and needlessly for entertainment. You use products made with the same dead animals that normal people eat for entertainment pleasure. Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment? I know you won't answer this directly and honestly, but I want others to see you're just a hypocrite. I predict you will ignore the question, go into denial, ask me which animal products (proving you don't do your own research, and/or you will justify your needless use of animal products with a doctrine. Now hit me with your spam reply that doesn't refute me. It just shows you're mad that you can't prove me wrong.
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  250.  @smashmusique  I am pretty sure slavery was outlawed in most civilized places.
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  251.  @smashmusique  I mean....if you really cared as much as you pretend to you would be vegan. If you really thought animals being killed for all of our mutual benefit was so bad you wouldn't use animal products at all.
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  252.  @smashmusique  "animals being killed for our mutual benefit?" Yeah....asphalt roads, refrigerators, power lines, smart phones, computers, routers, servers, motorized vehicles, public transportation, etc etc etc the list is millions of products long. "what do you mean?" I mean you use products made with parts from the same animals normal people eat. If you really cared as much as you pretend to then you would stop. You won't stop though. You're just a hypocrite.
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  253.  @smashmusique  Not very good with English are you? Go upstairs and ask your parents for help, then get back to me.
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  254.  @smashmusique  Okay then. "How does your list uses animal parts?" This doesn't make sense at all. "Even is asphalt roads would need animals death to be produced." Even is? How do you "even is" an asphalt road? "Nobody can be perfect." Okay? And? What does that have to do with anything? "Somewhere, a vegan will indirectly kill an animal." Blatant lie. A vegan can't indirectly kill an animal. They would have to be vegan in the first place to do that. "Don't you agree the goal should be to reduce animal suffering?" Then do that. Reduce the suffering of animals as much as practical and possible. You do it and show me it can be done. You keep replying to me proving you don't have the will to do it. "Doesn't make hypocrisy" What doesn't make hypocrisy? Claiming to be vegan while using animal products and pushing a narrative on others is absolutely hypocritical. You're a hypocrite.
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  255.  @smashmusique  "Can you explain how does all the things in your list use animals products? there's no food " No food? What does that have to do with anything? Do you think leather jackets are food? Do you think candles are food? Do you think soap is food? A typical cow is only about 50%-60% meat. The rest is fat, bones, skin, and collagen. These things are used in a great number of industries. Fat is rendered in to tallow and once purified is used to make LCD screens and as an additive to make hardened plastic less brittle. Bones are scorched and burned to make bone char for black pigment and is used to purify silicon to make glass and computer processors. The skin, some bones, and collagen are used to make gelatin which is sometimes used as an adhesive(glue) in a great number of things you use all of the time and rechargeable lithium Ion batteries. You had to use animal products just to reply to me. Smart phones, computers, routers, and servers contain animal products. You had no problem with using the animal products from slaughtered animals to reply to me so I say you're being a hypocrite. You learned something new today. You may thank me and apologize for being slow. "You're logic is.." Straw man argument. My logic is.. don't lie about cattle and I won't call you out on your hypocrisy.
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  256. ​ @smashmusique  Since you can't refute me you just keep going with nonsense? Try harder.
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  257.  @smashmusique  And there it is. "Don't you agree the goal should be to reduce animal suffering?" Yet here you are continuing to use animal products needlessly instead of stopping. "I'm not refuting you." I know. You can't. "My analogy is" Irrelevant. I win. You're a hypocrite. Thanks for trying.
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  258.  @smashmusique  Oh look. Another straw man argument. You keep replying to me so you're okay with animals being used for food and consumer products.
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  259. Next time one of those people claim it is a moral choice ask them if it is okay to use animal products from the same animals killed for meat. If they say no. Explain to them smart phones, computers, routers, cars, trucks, refrigerators, microwaves, servers, asphalt, carpet, drywall, etc etc are made with bits from the same animals normal people eat.
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  260.  @ohmss069  "Yeah I'll bet animal products are in items a lot of us don't realize they are." People claiming to be vegan should know that better than everyone. They are just pretending to be vegan so they can virtue signal. "I think the idea of the moral argument is to reduce harm, and that it's a transition over time rather than a switch instantly to purity." That sounds good. They are skipping quite a few steps by claiming to be vegan. Vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or use animal products. They use animal products. They aren't vegan. Reducing harm doesn't make you vegan if you're using animal products while doing it.
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  261.  @JB.zero.zero.1  Just like in plants dippy. Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while pretending to be against it? You're just another wannabe playing pretend because you derive more worth from the claim than the actual practice.
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  262. It worked for Steve Jobs. He was on a fruit/water diet to get rid of his cancer. It worked, his cancer stopped growing.
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  263. "We were still omnivores then?" Yeah. Just like gorillas today are omnivores.
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  264.  @Raystonebooks  You never heard of sushi?
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  265.  @Raystonebooks  "I don't know anyone that eats raw meat, you?" So you lied? Or is backpedaling now an accepted debate tactic when caught in a lie? "All of that has to be cooked for us to eat it." And? That is how we evolved. We were omnivores eating bugs and such until we discovered how easy and tasty it was to cook the meat. Now we mostly eat cooked meat. I do know of a family close to me that eats uncooked beef. So your original comment is debunked. We were eating animals long before we knew we could cook meat.
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  266.  @Raystonebooks  Like primates now we also ate bugs. Just a fact. We were omnivores long before we started cooking meat.
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  267. Look up "persistence hunting" and get back to me. Humans were hunting deer long before rifles were invented.
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  268.  @amizan8653  All the vegans around the world....total number 0. Everyone on the planet eats and/or uses animal products.
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  269.  @amizan8653  Now you're name calling because you can't refute me. You use animal products. You're just a liar and a hypocrite.
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  270. "countless scientific studies" A vegan diet with animal tested lab supplements. 😂🤣
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  271.  @doobie6971  Okay link some of those "countless" studies. You can't can you? You call me brainwashed while being unable to back up your lie. That's hilarious.
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  272. Humans were eating animals long before cooking became a method of eating them. Just like Gorillas now eat animals.
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  273.  @JB.zero.zero.1  Just like you and everyone else here. Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while pretending to be against it? You're just another wannabe playing pretend because you derive more worth from the claim than the actual practice.
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  274. We are omnivores. Not all omnivores eat every type of plant or animals. Ask someone about eating sushi. Ask them how they purify their "raw" fish before they eat it.
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  275.  @stephanwatson7902  It took you two replies to get your thoughts together? Bad diet effecting your brain? "So we're both wrong and that makes me feel better" Speak for yourself. You lied and I gave you an example of how you were wrong. "An omnivore is an animal that has the ability to eat and survive on both plant and animal matter. Obtaining energy and nutrients from plant and animal matter, omnivores digest carbohydrates, protein, fat, and fiber, and metabolize the nutrients and energy of the sources absorbed."
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  276.  @stephanwatson7902  Four replies and name calling because you can't keep your thoughts together? "Like me for instance I dont need to try and rub it in when someone is incorrect on something so very unimportant." Yet here you are making multiple comments to a single reply while name calling and whining. LOL "Instead I like pointing out how stupid, ego-driven, immature and narcissistic people like you are" You like projecting because other people are smarter than you? You're calling me stupid because you didn't know something taught before high school. Thanks for the laugh and the easy win.
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  277.  @stephanwatson7902  Another two replies? And you call me stupid? You can't even keep your thoughts together. So you have nothing really? You already admitted to being wrong. Anything else?
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  278. "We can’t bite into bare animal flesh" Tell the Baleen Whale that it's no longer a carnivore. "We can’t hunt animals without weapons" Search "hand fishing" and "persistence hunting." "We get sick if we eat raw meat" Carpaccio, Kitfo, Yookhwe, Steak Tartare, Parisa, Ossenworst, Mett, Koi Soi, Bo Tai Chanh, Gored Gored, Kibbeh Nayyeh, Crudos, Carne Apache, Cig Kofte, Basashi, and Sushi prove you're lying. "We have to clean, cut, and prepare meat to make it palatable" We have to clean, cut, and prepare most vegetables too. Are you saying we shouldn't eat anything? "Our bodies can’t digest meat as well as fruits and vegetables" Meat is far more dense in nutrients than vegetables/fruits and takes longer to digest. "Numerous illnesses arise from excess in meat consumption.. never with fruits or vegetables " You're leaving out the deficiencies and diabetes. How convenient... "Gorillas CAN consume meat in utter starvation but they thrive on their herbivore diet." Gorillas are omnivores. They regularly eat animals. "Understand this and realize humans aren’t meat eaters BY NATURE." We are omnivores by nature. Literal fact. "Not without its consequences though." The majority of the "consequences" are due to overeating.
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  279.  @Lifeishard237  Just proving you wrong. I wasn't trying to change your mind.
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  280. @CasualDude So you typed out a short story for nothing. Everything I said is factual and true. Try again.
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  281. @CasualDude Nothing you said refutes anything I said. So no I won't bother.
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  282. @CasualDude "Veganism is scientifically the healthiest diet" Veganism is a doctrine about a lifestyle. It is not a diet. I get that you're in to fan fiction but you shouldn't lie to people and type up short stories because you're sad that you're not vegan.
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  283. @CasualDude "Veganism can refer both to the broader philosophy or the diet." Blatant lie. "The word veganism shall mean the doctrine that man should live without exploiting animals." - Leslie Cross Ignored the rest of your anecdotal babble.
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  284. @CasualDude " It's funny watching a meat-eater so obviously WAY out of their depth." Quote me where I claimed to eat meat. If you can't find the quote feel free to apologize for being a liar. Try again.
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  285.  @amizan8653  You use animal products form the same animals that die for food. You're just a liar and a hypocrite pushing a narrative that you don't even believe in.
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  286.  @amizan8653  More name calling because you can't refute me.
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  287. Just ignoring that humans ate bugs before they had the ability or knowledge to cook meat. We were omnivores long before cooked meat ever came along. Primates are omnivores as well. Many happily eat insects and grubs.
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  288.  @YoungEarthCreation  Why did you build a straw man? I just said they did it. I never said anything more. We were omnivores long before cooked meat ever came along. Primates are omnivores as well. Many happily eat insects and grubs.
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  289.  @YoungEarthCreation  I can pull an apple off a tree and eat it. I am an omnivore.
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  290.  @YoungEarthCreation  I can pull a carrot out of the ground and eat it. I can pull an onion out of the ground and eat it. I can pull a potato out of the ground and eat it. I can pull lettuce out of the ground and eat it. Just blew up your lies and your terrible narrative.
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  291.  @YoungEarthCreation  They are still vegetables. I win.
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  292.  @shadowdancer3531  I never said vegetables were fruit. "Our systems were not designed to be omnivores, did you know it takes up to 12 hours for meat," Did you know the length of time it takes to digest something does not determine if we are an omnivore? The fact that we can digest both plants and animals proves we are omnivores. Period. You may have an extra chromosome.
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  293.  @YoungEarthCreation  "She thinks that because something can eat something that it should. By that standard I guess that’s why people are so fat nowadays." Blatant lie. I never said that.
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  294. Lowest is Lesotho. Which fake study did you use?
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  295. "Do you see apes eat meat??" Yes. All of the time. They eat large amounts of insect meat.
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  296.  @tryfreeforexsignalstoday  You're reply is nonsensical. Are you okay? "To those who cannot leace meat " leace? Do you have an extra chromosome?
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  297.  @tryfreeforexsignalstoday  Two replies? Can't keep your thoughts together or even address the actual comment? Thanks for the easy win I guess.
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  298.  @tryfreeforexsignalstoday  Another two inane comments that don't address my comment. Is that why you reply multiple times? You just keep tossing out irrelevant and off topic babble in hopes something may work? Thanks for the easy win. Take your loss like an adult and go learn to spell like one.
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  299.  @tryfreeforexsignalstoday  So now you're name calling because you were debunked? Are you okay in the head? "You can't even spell the word "insane" correctly." So you didn't know inane is a word? inane (adjective) - silly; stupid. You're just proving that you're slow.
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  300.  @tryfreeforexsignalstoday  I don't know what "yoh" has to do with anything. Learn to spell. You could just as easily stop messaging me. Practice what you preach.
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  301.  @tryfreeforexsignalstoday  "it says "You" idiot." It does now. You edited it. Aaron Truth TV 1 hour ago (edited) You're so insecure you have to lie about misspelling simple words. And you're saying you "gotta" block me. This is hilarious. Yes. Be the child that takes his ball home because he was picked last. Block me child.
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  302. And long before we ate cooked meat there were other things that humans ate from the animal kingdom. People think being an omnivore means we have sharp teeth for tearing flesh while not realizing that omnivores and carnivores come in many shapes and sizes. Anteaters eat fruit and insects.
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  303. It's easy to be anti-liar. People claiming to be vegan make the diet look bad.
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  304. Just animal tested lab supplements.
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  305.  @politrickz  Yes....that is one place you can buy animal tested supplements.
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  306.  @politrickz  To get a balanced diet without eating animal products you need lab supplements.
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  307.  @politrickz  I am just as much a nutritionist as you are a vegan.
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  308. @E DAWG "What is the definition of veganism according to you" This is the official definition of "veganism" according to the creators of "veganism." "Veganism is a way of living which seeks to exclude, as far as is possible and practicable, all forms of exploitation of, and cruelty to, animals for food, clothing or any other purpose." I never called anyone a veganism. Himi Grace never claimed to be a veganism. I said he wasn't vegan. And according to the definition of "vegan" he isn't. Vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or use animal products. Himi Grace uses animal products as evidenced by the comment section. In order to leave a comment you need to use several electronics. Electronics are made with animal products. Smart phones, computers, routers, and servers are made with animal products. It never ceases to amaze me the number of people who don't know the difference between veganism (a doctrine about a lifestyle which he ignores in favor of convenience and fun) and the word vegan (a person who does not eat or use animal products).
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  309. @E DAWG "The other person did not say anything about using animal products." He didn't have to. Smart phones, computers, routers, and servers are made with animal products. Simply making a comment on youtube proves people use animal products. "You made a comment like that, but he rejected it." People often reject facts when it puts in to question their hopes and dreams. "So how did you come to that conclusion?" You should have read the whole comment.
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  310. It's really funny too when you meet a really stubborn person claiming to be vegan. Vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or use animal products. Smart phones, computers, routers, and servers contain animal products from cows and pigs. Just point out their hypocrisy and watch them seethe.
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  311. Humans can survive on plant based and meat based diets proving without a doubt they are omnivores. It sounds like you're heavily biased. If you actually cared you would be vegan.
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  312. You're not vegan. You use animal products intentionally and needlessly. You're just another virtue signaling liar.
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  313.  @amizan8653  Looks like you found another liar to bond with.
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  314.  @amizan8653  Now you're name calling because you can't refute me. You use animal products. You're just a liar and a hypocrite.
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  315. Okay? Then try it. Don't eat or use any animal products from slaughtered animals.
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  316.  @amizan8653  "I already doing that." Read that slowly and try again. "I'm a vegan." You use animal products intentionally and needlessly so you're not vegan. Vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or use animal products. "I think everyone should be vegan just for the ethical reason alone." Then do it instead of being a hypocrite and liar that claims to do it while not doing it. "And even without the ethical reason, the environmental reason alone is also enough to make the switch." Sigh...more babble... You're using animal products. You're a liar and hypocrite. "I really don't see a valid excuse to eat animal products." Then don't eat them. You don't have to lie about being vegan while not eating animal products. "Mouth pleasure isn't a valid excuse." Yet you think that replying to strangers on the internet and making inane comments on youtube is a valid excuse to use animal products? You people just leap for the chance to virtue signal your hypocrisy and lies.
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  317.  @amizan8653  Ah yes. You can't refute me so you just jump straight to name calling. You used animal products just to reply to me. Smart phones, computers, routers, and servers are made with and/or contain animal products. You're a liar and a hypocrite. Thanks for the win. Another liar proven wrong and shown to be a salty loser.
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  318.  @amizan8653  "If you don't eat meat, dairy, eggs, or honey, you're a vegan. " You're conflating the noun with the adjective. Vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or use animal products. You use animal products. The glass, processor, plastic, battery are all made with fat, gelatin, and/or bones. You're just a liar and a proven hypocrite. Thanks for the easy win. Learn what a refutation is and learn some facts.
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  319.  @amizan8653  "would not eating animal products greatly reduce the amount of animal suffering on factory farms and also be much better for the environment?" What does that have to do with what I factually stated? If you eat or use animal products you're not vegan. You use animal products and you do it intentionally and needlessly without any problem just to name call people on the internet. No need to deflect and go off topic. Try again. Stick to the topic instead of deflecting.
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  320.  @amizan8653  "stick to the topic?" Read my first reply. "and so we're killing and torturing them for mouth pleasure and nothing else" Blatant lie. Tallow, gelatin, and bone manufacturers exist that don't even keep or sell the meat. They are industries that provide for the glass, plastic, cpu processor, battery, etc industries. So you're making things up to suit your narrative. You're a liar. So again....practice what you preach before you tell others to do it. You use animal products. You're not vegan.
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  321.  @amizan8653  Two replies to my single comment... Triggered? Unable to keep your thoughts together on your diet? "yeah yeah yeah just keep focusing on character attacks since your arguments are trash and you can't refute what I said" You still haven't refuted my original comment and you lied about not using animal products. You started the name calling. Scroll up and read your own comments. "it's so clear and obvious that we shouldn't be killing animals for food, and that's what the vast majority of them after killed for." Subjective bias. If you truly believed that you wouldn't be using animal products. "There's nothing you can say to refute that." But I did. Humans have been killing animals for food since the dawn of human existence. Entitled prats shouldn't be using animal products when they claim to be vegan, yet here you are doing it intentionally and needlessly anyway.
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  322.  @amizan8653  No. I don't advocate against it either. I just point out liars and hypocrites like yourself. You literally lied about being vegan. You literally practice hypocrisy.
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  323.  @amizan8653  "You look for the tiniest little technicality you can to get some strange pleasure calling people out over it." You think your blatant and intentional lies and hypocrisy are tiny technicalities? "I've significantly reduced the horrific impact I've had on those poor animals that are tortured and killed in factory farms" Okay? Want a gold star sticker? Why do you lie about being vegan and using animal products while using animal products? "All I had to do was not eat meat, milk and eggs." And not lie about being vegan. Guess that part was too hard for you. "And I don't care at all if you call me a hypocrite because smart phone screens contain traces of animal products" That's not why I called you a hypocrite. The screens, plastic, battery, processors in the phone and the routers and servers you need to use just to make a comment needlessly. You could have avoided those but chose to do it anyway. "when I'm preventing the deaths of many animals a year just by eating a vegan diet." Completely untrue. More animals die in crop harvesting than meat production. More crops are used for human consumption. "Enjoy getting off calling people who try to be better hypocrites simply by looking at tiny little technicalities." Ever think of just not lying and being a hypocrite? Rather than whine at me for pointing out facts you don't like you could have just practiced what you preach and avoid using animal products needlessly. I guess actually doing what you say you're doing is too hard. It's funny that you think someone pointing out facts you don't like is "pathetic" and you also think lying to people and practicing blatant hypocrisy is a worthy cause. Thanks for the laughs.
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  324.  @amizan8653  "This is by far THE stupidest thing you've said." You should probably delete this comment unless you genuinely believe animals use flax, hemp, tobacco, ethanol corn, barley, soy based diesel, ethanol wheat, etc. All these things are consumed by humans. Consumption doesn't always mean eat. consumption - the using up of a resource. I said crops. Not feed crops. "There's no point arguing with you." Yet you continue to argue with more lies and name calling. "I can tell you're a troll." I can tell you're not educated on the subject and facts make you mad and drive you to start name calling. You claim to be done...lets see if you lie about that too. I win.
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  325.  @amizan8653  Still can't refute me? I figured as much. You just start name calling when it's proven that you're a liar and a hypocrite then delete comments when they go against your narrative.
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  326. Because humans are omnivores meant to eat mostly plants with few animal products. How come human stomach acid is more powerful than a cow? How come humans can consistently get nutrients from both plants and animals? People are confusing a good diet with a gluttony diet.
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  327.  @chicago_rocker23  Good to see you have nothing to refute me. I accept your concession.
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  328.  @chicago_rocker23  Still waiting on a refutation... I guess you can't manage one since all you have said is nonsense and denial.
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  329.  @jabroni_bk8834  He isn't attacking anyone for being vegan. You're not vegan. You're just pretending to be vegan for virtue signaling purposes. Gorillas are omnivores.
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  330.  @jabroni_bk8834  Your dismissal is hilarious. You can't refute me so you start making excuses on a social media site on why I can't respond to you. You're not vegan. You never were vegan. Just facts. No need to virtue signal and lie.
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  331.  @jabroni_bk8834  You're still not vegan. You're a virtue signaling hypocrite. I win.
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  332. Except James Wilks both eats and uses animal products. He is just another fraud pretending to be plant based for money.
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  333. You're not vegan. No need to lie.
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  334. Animal prints? Lol what? On a proper omnivore diet, people are more healthy than anyone on plant only based or meat only based. Can you name someone that doesn't eat any animal products, fortified foods, or use supplements?
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  335. Why would he want a proven liar that cons people for likes, subs, and donations?
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  336.  @jlowe8614  "that has absolutely not been my experience with people I know who are vegan." Everyone you know uses animal products. They aren't vegan. Vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or use animal products. Smart phones, computers, routers, servers, asphalt, motor vehicles, refrigerators, microwaves, televisions, drywall, etc. are all made with and/or contain animal products. So like I said. The people who claim to practice veganism derive more worth from the claim than actual practice.
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  337. A proper diet of any kind is better than gluttony. Conflating the two proves nothing.
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  338.  @jameslester6785  "The standard American diet is not working, just look around." A proper diet is better than gluttony.
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  339. "And Gorillas are mostly herbivores and look at their massive canines." Mostly herbivore = omnivore. They still eat animals.
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  340.  @MarcusAnthonyCornwallWilliams  "Uh no- Gorillas do not eat animals." Insects are animals dippy. "They do eat insects." Yep...and insects are animals. "But they do not eat any meat." And? omnivore - an animal or person that eats food of both plant and animal origin. "Unless you are asking a question, inform yourself before you speak please." Practice what you preach. You should have asked if insects are part of the animal kingdom before you made so many dumb comments. "Humans die more from diseases caused by eating animals than anything else." The healthiest diet on the planet currently is an omnivorous diet. You're confusing gluttony with proper diet. "That is evidence demonstrating its not best for our natural diet." That is anecdotal evidence at best. "Teeth shape doesnt even come close to that kind of evidence." I never said it did. Anteaters are omnivores as well. Try again.
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  341.  @MarcusAnthonyCornwallWilliams  "Okay- insects are apart of the animal kingdom." Thanks for agreeing that Gorillas are omnivores. "Also my comment about not speaking and asking was out of line, i apologize, no need to start name calling." I was stating a fact. You can't be very smart if you didn't know insects are animals. "But was that what you meant when you said that gorillas do eat animals? That they strictly only ate insect animals?" Yes. Insects are animals and according to the definition of omnivore they are omnivores. "When it comes to a healthy diet- all the best evidence is showing that plant based is the healthiest.. " Currently the healthiest scientifically backed diet is the Mediterranean diet. No idea why you keep babbling about teeth. Teeth are irrelevant. Try again.
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  342.  @MarcusAnthonyCornwallWilliams  Ahh yes. You're proven wrong so now it is time for you to make excuses for leaving. Typical. Gorillas are omnivores. Insects are animals. Humans are omnivores. Teeth are an evolutionary trait that don't always have anything to do with what something eats. Baleen whales are 100% carnivores and don't have any teeth.
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  343.  @maxrobespierre9176  Fruitarian is just another word for omnivore with a fruit caveat. Great apes to this day eat animals.
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  344.  @maxrobespierre9176  You wrote a short story just to say I am right. They are omnivores.
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  345.  @maxrobespierre9176  What does what I may or may not eat have to do with what apes do in fact eat? They actively hunt small game and eat it. There are plenty of videos showing Gorillas eating insects and Chimps eating small pigs and such. They are omnivores.
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  346.  @maxrobespierre9176  "frugivores" Which is just another way of saying omnivore with a fruit caveat.
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  347.  @maxrobespierre9176  "Only chimpanzees and bonobos have been witnessed hunting" Gorillas actively hunt for animals. No need to lie. "No, its a frugivore with an omnivore caveat." Wrong again. They are an omnivore first and foremost. Frugivore is a sub classification. Try again. Try to keep the fan fiction to a minimum.
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  348.  @maxrobespierre9176  Can't post links. Of course you want citations in a channel where links aren't possible. Lets see your citations for the lies you told.
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  349.  @maxrobespierre9176  "Check my earlier replies for some." I couldn't in the past. The post gets censored. Possibly depends on who is running the channel. Anyway. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Omnivore "The variety of different animals that are classified as omnivores can be placed into further sub-categories" Frugivore and insectivore are sub-categories. https://www.worldwildlife.org/stories/what-do-gorillas-eat-and-other-gorilla-facts#:~:text=Gorillas%20stick%20to%20a%20mainly,nests%20to%20eat%20the%20larvae. "Western lowland gorillas, however, also have an appetite for termites and ants, and break open termite nests to eat the larvae." Termites, ants, and larva are animals. And fittingly: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=btkUWwddZgQ&ab_channel=Mediocre
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  350.  @maxrobespierre9176  "Now who’s the liar?" Still you. There is a difference between a lie and simply not knowing. I tried posting links in another channel and the comment was censored. "The post is there." Yep, with citations that you can't refute. "I checked on it yesterday and today." Without a single refutation. So I guess you admit to lying. "So long!" Fine by me. I win.
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  351.  @maxrobespierre9176  "The great apes are classed as frugivores." Which is an omnivore like I said and cited. I win.
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  352.  @amizan8653  Still stalking me and lying to feel better about yourself eh?
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  353. Look up "persistence hunting" and get back to us.
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  354.  @tomreid2686  So you never heard of rocks or sticks? Cool story.
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  355.  @tomreid2686  What does it matter if it is larger or smaller? They literally eat animals raw and it's part of their diet. They literally hunt and eat meat. They catch and eat little pigs. Search "jane goodall chimp diet" and you can see for yourself.
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  356.  @amizan8653  So now you're stalking me and name calling because I proved you're a liar and a hypocrite. You make my win so much sweeter.
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  357. No they aren't. vergertarian is not a word.
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  358. Yes. Humans were eating animals long before cooked meat or hunting red meat was an option.
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  359. We are omnivores that can survive on a plant based diet with animal tested lab supplements. People like you are funny though. You are happy to use animal products while virtue signaling about them.
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  360. The hate doesn't come from people hating on the diet. It comes from people virtue signaling. Take you for instance. You don't have a problem using animal products.
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  361. Most plants are processed in some way before we eat them. Are you saying we are meant to eat air?
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  362.  @TheTERMlNAT0R  You do realize humans were eating animals long before cooked meat came along right? Do you think Gorillas cook the animals they eat?
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  363.  @TheTERMlNAT0R  So you didn't know insects are animals? Just like primates now humans ate insects long before cooked meat became an option. Go survive on some grubs and tell me your body isn't getting energy from them. Please quote me where I claimed something about eating cows before the ability to cook meat. Come back in a few months when you figure out there are more animals in the animal kingdom than just cows.
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  364.  @Freakyjohnsson1  And yet you use products made with the same dead animals just to babble at people on youtube. Doesn't that make you hypocritical?
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  365.  @amizan8653  You use products made with the same dead animals that normal people eat for entertainment pleasure. Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment? I know you won't answer this directly and honestly, but I want others to see you're just a hypocrite. I predict you will ignore the question, go into denial, ask me which animal products (proving you don't do your own research, and/or you will justify your needless use of animal products with a doctrine.
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  366. You currently use the exploitation of animals for convenience and entertainment.
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  367.  @amizan8653  " For that reason alone, I'm vegan." You're just a liar playing pretend. You're not vegan. You use animal products.
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  368.  @amizan8653  Now you're name calling because you can't refute me. You use animal products. You're just a liar and a hypocrite.
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  369. For the animals? You have no problem using products made with bits of animals.
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  370.  @AzureVoltic  "Technically omnivores, but when I think of other primates like apes, I don't think of them as meat eaters." So you know humans are omnivores. Just like Gorillas are omnivores. (They eat insects/animals) "Because we're not omnivores." But you said we are "Technically omnivores" in your other sentence. Are you contradicting yourself and lying for a reason?
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  371.  @AzureVoltic  You typed out a short story just to verify that I am right. Thanks. Humans are omnivores. Primates are omnivores. No further classification needed.
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  372.  @AzureVoltic  "You are completely missing the point and just hearing what you want to here." Here? Where do you think "here" is? "If the only thing you got out of what I said is "Humans are omnivores", then you didn't read it." "Primates are technically omnivores" - you "Technically omnivores" - you "Because we're not omnivores." - also you You're possibly suffering from an extra chromosome. I am just pointing out your blatant lies and contradictions. I don't care about the "reduce" argument because not even the people claiming to be vegan actually do it. Do you "here" me? 😂🤣
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  373.  @AzureVoltic  "Still oblivious to the point" I am glad you admit that you're still oblivious to MY point. Humans are technically, literally, and factually omnivores. Period. End of. That's the whole point. All of your babble and short stories are irrelevant. Humans are omnivores.
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  374.  @quietman208  People claiming to be vegan are fine with the death of animals. They just enjoy virtue signaling. Not a single person currently living that ever claimed to be vegan actually is.
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  375. You're not vegan. You use animal products.
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  376. "We are closest to frugivores." So you get all of your B12 from fruit? "B12 is in Duckweed (or water lentils), Nutritional yeast, mushrooms, algae/seaweed, tempeh, also fortified cereals." None of these are fruit. "where do you get your B12?" The same place the other 99.2% of the world gets it. Animals.
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  377.  @bethanylivesfree  "so you could just supplement is my point." Supplements are required by law to be tested on animals.
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  378.  @bethanylivesfree  Certified vegan supplements are a certain type. Please don't generalize and spread lies. If you really cared about animals you wouldn't be using products of their slaughter. You don't seem to have a problem with doing that.
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  379.  @bethanylivesfree  "How do you know what I have a problem with?" You are currently using products of their slaughter to argue with a random person on the internet. So you don't seem to have a problem with that. Are you bothered that I am right? I am not being a troll and I have never preached values or morals that I ignore.
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  380.  @bethanylivesfree  "so saying to a random person on the internet that they can supplement B12 instead of getting it from an animal that also supplements tells you that I personally contribute to animal slaughter?" Yes, it does. Smart phones, computers, routers and servers are made with and/or contain animal products from slaughtered animals. "You are the one who said you get your B12 from a slaughtered animal," I never said this. You're lying. Lab animals are not slaughtered animals. " I however have never claimed that." I didn't say you did.
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  381.  @bethanylivesfree  "You are right, in the sense that no one can be 100% Vegan" Vegans don't exist. The definition doesn't care if you eat or use 1% or 100% animal products. Vegan (noun) - a person who does not eat or use animal products. "I quite enjoy when meat eaters think they can “gotcha” me by trying to use what they think my morals are against me. " I quite enjoy when the intellectually stunted assume I am a meat eater because they don't like what I said. It's almost like they don't realize B12 exists in milk and cheese. I guess they are too busy virtue signaling to worry about facts. "This is a fair reason to assume you are a meat eater. Okay? You shouldn't assume. "I apologize if I assumed incorrectly." I don't accept. Anything else?
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  382.  @bethanylivesfree  "Thanks for your input. Have a nice life. " Why did you say this first? "How did B12 get into that milk and cheese?" From cows eating grass.
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  383.  @bethanylivesfree  "Even organic raised animals are given B12." Cool assumption. Organic grass fed cows aren't given B12 supplements in my area. Thanks for losing. You will probably reply again after waving off twice.
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  384. "100% herbivores, check this (insert biased plant based youtube channel") We are omnivores. That is just a fact. Yes we can make choices. We should also embody the choices we push on others. Take yourself for example. You have no problem with using products made with animal bits. Stop being a hypocrite. Go factual.
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  385.  @spr4019  "But 75% of the agriculture is to feed the animals before killing them ." This is a lie. This is the soy numbers alone. You're forgetting that we grow a multitude of other crops. Cotton, flax, ramie, hemp, jute, etc etc. The number of plants that go to animals is closer to 30% and of that number only 20% go directly to animals.
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  386.  @spr4019  Yet you're happy to use products made from their exploitation while lying about the percentages used. Maybe just stop typing until you get your research done. That way you won't be such a huge liar.
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  387. Okay? Then try it. Don't eat or use any animal products from slaughtered animals.
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  388.  @braziliantsar  He likes to delete comments that interfere with his narrative.
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  389.  @amizan8653  Yet you're happy to use products made with animal products from those same factory farms while virtue signaling about your nonexistent morality. So either way you're a liar for claiming to be vegan and a hypocrite for using animal products from factory farms.
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  390. More name calling because you can't refute me. I proved this person a liar and a hypocrite so now he deletes comments. Thanks for the win. (see....no reason for name calling)
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  391.  @Lazyspaceout  "dude dont hate on someone because of their food choices thats immature," I never did that. Don't hate one someone and make things up they never said because you're slow. " just because someone vegan" No one here is vegan. Why do you keep making things up? "your clearly" you're* You clearly have spelling issues. Anything else?
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  392.  @Lazyspaceout  "I've seen several comments throughout, this video you hating on vegan" I have never hated on a vegan. You're lying again. If all you're going to do it lie, why even bother making a comment? Thanks for the win and your concession.
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  393.  @Lazyspaceout  You're the one claiming I said things that never happened. That is literally delusion. You're making things up. Good to see you can't refute me. Thanks for the easy win and your concession.
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  394.  @amizan8653  You use products made with the same dead animals that normal people eat for entertainment pleasure. Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment? I know you won't answer this directly and honestly, but I want others to see you're just a hypocrite. I predict you will ignore the question, go into denial, ask me which animal products (proving you don't do your own research, and/or you will justify your needless use of animal products with a doctrine.
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  395.  @alvarez321  Your entire comment has nothing to refute me and is just name calling and insults. Thanks for proving you can't refute me. I accept your concession.
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  396.  @JB.zero.zero.1  Just like on raw plants dippy. Norovirus, Salmonella, Listeria, and Cyclospora to name a few. Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while pretending to be against it? You're just another wannabe playing pretend because you derive more worth from the claim than the actual practice.
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  397. Enjoy.
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  398.  @superfinevids  So you think insects aren't animals? What do you think they are? Dirt? Flowers? So you're okay with eating animal death as long as it is animal death that you approve of.... Just another hypocrite.
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  399.  @superfinevids  "Lol I'm saying biology maybe we can eat insects." This doesn't make sense. Did you mean biologically or are you genuinely stupid? "But I personally don't." So you're a hypocrite? Cool. Why do you use animal products needlessly while pretending to be against it?
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  400. No vegan has acknowledged that to my knowledge. People claiming to be vegan go both ways in my experience. None of them are actually vegan.
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  401. "Can anyone explain why Gorillas have such large canines if they're only on a plant based diet?" Sure. They aren't on a plant based diet. They eat animals as well. They are omnivores. Tooth and claw are evolutionary traits for defense as well as eating. "Also what teeth are we supposed to use for bread?" So you think the earliest evolution of humans were making bread? Try to eat a apple without teeth...
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  402. "There’s no argument against veganism to this day" There is no reason to argue against something that no one does. Take you for example. You're fine using animal products intentionally and needlessly that are possible and practicable to avoid. Every living person on the planet chooses convenience, hobbies, fun, and entertainment over possible and practicable.
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  403.  @vegonstruct5786  "You seem to think that this justifies all suffering" Straw man. "That’s why I’m vegan fyi," You use animal products. You're not vegan. You're just a virtue signaling liar.
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  404.  @vegonstruct5786  "I addressed your argument that I am not vegan." Then you lied about being vegan again. "That’s why I’m vegan fyi," "You don’t seem to know what veganism or straw man means." Veganism is a doctrine about a lifestyle. You don't seem to know what veganism is. A straw man is a form of argument and an informal fallacy of having the impression of refuting an argument, meanwhile the proper idea of argument under discussion was not addressed or properly refuted. "If you’re thinking of trying to argue that the net suffering you cause is less than even a junk food vegan who doesn’t recycle then you’re foolish." If you have to make things up to argue against me you already lost the argument. You "use" animal products. You're not vegan. Veganism is not the definition of vegan.
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  405. Why do you use animal products needlessly for entertainment while pretending to be against it? I know you won't answer honestly so don't bother trying.
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  406.  @CONAN1952  As predicted, you didn't answer. You use animal products. You do so needlessly. You do so for entertainment. You pretend to be against it. All facts and all irrefutable. I simply asked why and you are evading the simple question as I knew you would. I accept your concession.
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  407.  @CONAN1952  Livestock tallow and livestock bones. What's with the 20 question routine? Just answer the question I asked you first. You're the one using animal products so you should be well aware of the fact you're using them.
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  408.  @CONAN1952  "actually I don't use animal products for entertainment." Remember you typed that. YT is an entertainment platform. Animal based stearic acid (livestock tallow) and animal based activated carbon (livestock bones) are the industry standard in processor manufacturing. How did you reply without using a processor? Smoke signals? As predicted, you didn't answer the simple fact based question again. I guess denial and dishonesty are your only arguments. I accept your concession because you refuse to accept facts.
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  409.  @CONAN1952  Must be still looking for an answer or stuck in a denial loop.
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  410.  @CONAN1952  Still looking for that answer?
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  411.  @amizan8653  They are also killed for electronics, appliances, and vehicles to name a few. https://www.britannica.com/explore/savingearth/the-processing-of-gelatin "Gelatin processing plants are usually located near slaughterhouses, and often the owners of gelatin factories have their own slaughterhouses where animals are killed just for their skin and bones." Turns out you're just a virtue signaling liar and hypocrite.
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  412.  @amizan8653  Did you not read? The meat isn't even harvested from some cattle by some companies. They are not byproducts when they are what the animal is killed for. They are primary products. Primary products - require the death of an animal. I guess when all you have is lies and hypocrisy you get very narrow minded and stupid. You claim to want it phased out while you're actively using animal products that are possible and practicable to avoid. You're just a liar and a hypocrite.
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  413.  @amizan8653  More name calling because I proved you're a liar and a hypocrite. Very typical of you liars pretending to be vegan. "Alternatives to gelatin" For food. You're cherry picking as well. Fat, gelatin, and bones are used in the production of the products you're using. So again. You're a liar and a hypocrite.
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  414. People pretending to be vegan are attempting to take meat off the table for everyone. They love people like you that have a fair amount of respect. It means they can push their agenda with one less person (you) getting in their way.
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  415. We are omnivores. This is scientific fact.
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  416. Our ability to adapt and make tools is a human trait.
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  417.  @blakeniles3622  We were omnivores long before we started eating cooked meat. Omnivores come in all shapes and sizes. Look at the Gorilla or the anteater. Besides, you have already proven yourself a liar. You claim to be vegan and even have a tattoo of "vegan" on your abdomen yet you use animal products from the same animals normal people eat for fun. You're just a virtue signaling hypocrite.
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  418.  @blakeniles3622  My last word? No I am just pointing out liars and hypocrites.
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  419. You could have just replied to them directly.
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  420. @E DAWG Both choices involve animal death.
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  421. @E DAWG "Yes they due." What are they due? "I was referring to HUMAN death." The Mediterranean diet is the healthiest diet. It is both meat and plants. When people overeat or are glutonous they die early. Just a fact of life. Not sure how "due" comes in to play.
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  422. @E DAWG So you believe fish, chicken, eggs, cheese, duck, and turkey are plants? Thanks I win. That was easy. You still haven't explained "Yes they due." I doubt you can.
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  423. @E DAWG Actually it didn't. If we were herbivores we wouldn't be able to digest meat like we can. You should spend your time UFO spotting instead of being a science denier.
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  424. @E DAWG Two replies? Triggered? Can't keep your thoughts together? "Using your own words (you claimed that the Mediterranean diet is best for humans), we are herbivores." The Mediterranean diet has a daily meat requirement. It is not a herbivore diet. I never said it was the "best." You're a liar. I said it was the "healthiest diet." "Herbivores are able to digest meat." Humans received the classification of omnivore for their ability to properly digest plant and animal material. This is a scientific classification. You deny it by claiming humans are herbivores. You are a science denier. "This is besides the point, but how does me filming objects in the sky make me a science denier?" This is a straw man argument. I never said filming objects in the sky makes you a science denier. I called you a science denier and suggested you're better off filming "UFOs" as you called it. Anything else? Care to explain what "Yes they due." means? Just going to lie some more? Maybe build a few more straw men?
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  425. @E DAWG I see you went with "lie some more." You just can't help it. I understand that you have an agenda to push, but denying science will always make you the loser. Thanks for the easy win.
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  426. @E DAWG "Their is literally no argument in their, just an ad hominom." In their? In their what? Do you not know the difference between there and their? And you're arguing about something technical like the third trophic level? That's funny. It isn't ad hominem to state a fact. You literally deny scientific data. You're a science denier. "If by saying the "healthiest diet", you DID NOT mean "the best", then what did you mean?" "Best" is subjective per person. Healthiest is a "objective" fact. I see you're still a science denier. So you actually have nothing? Try one more time. Let's see if you can get a little bit of truth out.
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  427. @E DAWG "Thier was literally no argument in that comment either." Thier? That's not even a word. Learn to spell or go upstairs and ask your parents for help. "Instead of talking shit" Stating facts you mean? "ARE YOU UNABLE...." And now you're breaking out the caps lock. I figured you for the type. I get it. You don't like the facts I have presented so you're dismissing them entirely. Thanks for the easy irrefutable win.
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  428. So nothing to refute him and just nonsense babble? Cool.
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  429.  @darkengine5931  I didn't speak. I typed. If I replied to you it would say @Dark Engine in blue letters eh?
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  430. Gorillas are omnivores. They eat insect larva quite often in the wild.
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